19/11/2017 MOTD2 Extra

A very good afternoon and welcome to

Match of the Day 2 Extra on BBC Two,

5Live, the BBC to sports website,

the app and the iPlayer. Joining me,

the Grinch of football, Chris

Sutton, Guy Mowbray of Match of the

Day and Andy Dunne. Get in touch

using the hashtag BBC football and

text us as well. Arsenal victorious

in the North London Turvey as Arsene

Wenger claims Mesut Ozil and Alexis

Sanchez want to stay. Pressure on

Pulis as West Brom are beaten at

home by Chelsea, now without a win

in ten. Man City have won ten league

games in a row but can they go the

season unbeaten? And we will be live

at Watford for the latest on head

coach Marco Silva ahead of Everton's

game at West Ham at 4pm. These are

some of the back pages.

The Sunday Mirror saying Jose

Mourinho will make a £40 million

move for Danny Rose.

Thierry Henry a surprise name on the

short list to replace Chris Coleman.

Arsene Wenger admitting love might

not be enough to keep Sanchez and

Mesut Ozil at the emirates.

That is where we start because they

were key to Arsenal's win in the

north London derby yesterday. After

the game this was Arsene Wenger on

Ozil.

He has shown he is not only a

great player but can fight, work for

the team. He showed his nature today

and worked very hard defensively as

well.

Is this important statement,

top them are the team now, Arsenal

are the gone team, people are saying

-- Spurs are the team now?

People

want always to go quickly to

definite conclusions, and I think,

let's perform and focus and take the

positive out of this game today and

try to bring it into the next one.

Andy, who would have thought, Mesut

Ozil, applauded off, standing

ovation at the emirates, have we

seen a change in his attitude?

No, I

think it's his form. Personally I

have never questioned his attitude.

I know many have, but I think when

he is out of form, when his

confidence is low, when Arsenal are

not playing well, it doesn't look

great, his manner doesn't look

great, but I don't think he doesn't

put in what you would call a shift.

I just think his form is better and

he enjoys playing in a system of

Ozil, Sanchez and Lacazette, he

loves that three, and you see the

three, it seems such a difference

when the interaction, exchange of

movement is between the three, and

he has options. To my mind it is

either him or David Silva, the best

passers, the best spotters of a pass

in the Premier League. They can see

where others can't, they can see

down avenues, behind closed doors.

Now he has those options and I think

he is really enjoying his football.

He looked to be enjoying playing for

Germany in November and he is a

class player.

I think he was

unfairly singled out by many pundits

when Arsenal weren't playing well.

He was the one to blame then, but we

all knew what Mesut Ozil was when he

came over, he is a craftsman, a

technician. He has more assists than

anybody since he came to the Premier

League. You know he will sometimes

not do this shift but I think he

took unfair criticism and I was

pleased for him yesterday. There is

no doubt that Arsenal are more

potent attacking course when he is

in the team.

Maybe it is a case of

final year of contract, I am going

to up my game?

I think that is

unfair. I don't know what you are

suggesting in terms of...

I'm just

being cynical, he'll get a club

anyway.

You could argue the other

way. He could down tools and wait

for his move at the end of the

season. But I thought his

performance was absolutely

outstanding.

You must have played

with players like that, you cannot

read body language, everyone is

different from time immemorial.

But

we knew the player he was when he

came over here. I think when things

were going wrong that Arsenal people

just picked on Mesut Ozil aren't

leave other players.

He is an

individual within the club. He is

clearly a confident boy, let's put

it that way. That can come across.

Small example, or when Arsenal come

onto the pitch for the second half,

they put miniature cones out and the

players have to run through them,

you know what I mean? They all do

it, Ozil just walks past. The thing

is,, he rates himself as a

world-class talent and that doesn't

come across too well.

I think he

lost confidence.

He was taking a

hell of a bashing.

Is it amazing

that we are in this situation where

they haven't tied down the futures

of Sanchez and Ozil?

What Guy said

about, cynics might say that,

realists might say you look at a

performance like that yesterday,

which is why for Arsenal fans,

nothing but sweet, but in the end

bittersweet because to see them play

like that is a reminder to anyone

who doubted it, both of these

players will be able to walk into a

big club, and even bigger club

maybe, at the end of the season.

What Man United sign him on a free?

They would. But they take Sanchez,

they would. How bitter must you be

as an Arsenal fan knowing this

scenario could happen?

Arsene Wenger

says, I am convinced they love the

club and the team but the rest will

be decided when, I don't know, I

believe they love the club and want

to stay but other top clubs can

offer them good contracts.

Clearly...

They don't love the club

that much.

Money talks, people could

offer better deals and it would be

under threat.

The truth is, Arsenal

will be at the stage of their

careers, wanting to win things, and

they will think they will have a

better opportunity elsewhere. I

don't think it is for the wages.

They get paid enough.

I read in your

column, Andy...

Chris Wood like to

think that!

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column, Andy...

Chris Wood like to

think that!

LAUGHTER.

You know what

I'm getting at.

Yes, when enough is

enough, but you also have the

agents...

They'd go to China,

wouldn't they?

If you are going to a

club, say for example Manchester

City. I hope they stay at Arsenal

because I think they are a good fit

with the club, I see what Wenger

says. I think they like it fairer

and it is a great club, but take

Manchester City, they will be able

to offer them significantly more.

The best of both worlds.

And a

significantly better chance of

winning.

You said a top club, would

Jose Mourinho take Ozil at Man

United, Pep Guardiola at City or

across Europe? Would he go to an

equally good club or a better one?

A

better club.

Would he?

Absolutely.

You could get him for nothing. He is

a top player and I think he has

proven he is a player who has

frustrated many people over there

because they perceive his workrate

or lack thereof as a weakness, but

when you look at the flip which

people be focusing on, his talent

and assists, he is up there with

anybody.

You were saying in your

column, as a trio, Lacazette,

Sanchez and Ozil are up there with

the best in the Premier League.

I

thought it was unfathomable that

Wenger didn't play all three the

start against Man City. I know why

he did it because he did it before

at City and got a good result there,

but when I saw them for the first

time, they had only played together

for the first time at Goodison when

they won 5-2, they were excellent,

and they played again at home, won

that game and again yesterday, only

three times they have played

together. When you look at City and

the trio and United yesterday,

Rashford, Martial and Lukaku, hold

don't play together much but you

look at them yesterday and you

think, this is the way forward, and

this is the way forward for Arsenal.

I am surprised. I don't think he

will do that again. If they are fit

they will be the front three for

Arsenal now as long as they are

available.

On the flip side, Guy, a

significant defeat for Tottenham.

It

is.

If Arsenal lost, how toxic that

would have been, but significant.

There were mitigating circumstances,

clearly Kane and Dele Alli won't

fit, so there is that to consider.

What does that say, that he didn't

go with Song and Llorente?

In the

biggest game probably not.

He

doesn't trust them?

That is a good

point, Llorente... Chelsea wanted

him Ntep top and got the nod, and I

said at the time, but clearly

Pocchetino, to play at 80% over

Llorente, it is a slap in the face

Llorente.

That's what it is.

Llorente has not started one game.

You would think the less again they

might have an opportunity.

What does

that say, is the weight structure

hampering them, because they had

hundred Llorente.

It just isn't Mac

game a lot about Harry Kane. -- it

says a lot about Harry Kane. At the

moment he will get you a goal out of

little. He is a different striker to

Lorenzo, more of a shoot on sight

guy, and I think Wenger wants that.

I don't think he realised, probably

once the game started, that Harry

Kane wasn't 100%. I think Dele Alli

might have just had a bad game.

In

terms of stats, we look at the

fellow big five teams around Spurs,

17 games, won away from home just

once at those big five clubs.

And

honestly I couldn't believe that

when I heard it. That didn't

register. It must be a worry.

Clearly the stat is correct, but it

surprised me. Spurs are a good

outfit and have done exceptionally

well in the last couple of seasons

but they have to write that.

I only

saw the highlights yesterday but it

shows you how big this is their best

defender will be.

I was going

through the games...

You were the

best British columnist at the game!

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best British columnist at the game!

LAUGHTER.

I thought to myself, that

is a damning statistic. I would say,

some of the managers as well,

Mourinho for example, hasn't got a

good record against the other top

five teams. You can actually... As

long as you are destructive in your

other games you can get away with

it. But we asked Pocchetino about it

and he was unaware until we brought

it up. I just think, yesterday...

They were half a yard off it.

Unusually, Arsenal were caught by

surprise, pushing very high and

pressing.

Dele Alli is a worry and I

know how well he performed against

Madrid, and I take that, but this

season he hasn't shown the

consistency of level he was last

season. He has been off it. Talk

about Harry Kane, but I think Dele

Alli would be the one who would be

the real worry for me, he needs to

hit the heights of last season.

Let's talk about West Brom. No win

in ten for West Brom after a 4-0

defeat against Chelsea yesterday.

Here is there under fire manager

Tony Pulis.

The board will decide

what they have to do. We will keep

going and keep working, and I have

been in this position before, I am

experienced enough. It is up to

them. I feel for the players, they

have still worked very hard today.

It has just been basic mistakes that

have cost us. When you play the top

teams you have to be bang on it, you

can't allow the goals we have

allowed today.

The owner was

watching, a rare visit, do you feel

in your heart of hearts you retain

his confidence marked

in your heart of hearts you retain

his confidence marked.

I spoke to

them yesterday and I believe they

are good people. It is not about the

chairman or directors, it is about

the football club. That is more

important than anybody.

The Sunday

Times says Pulis is on the brink, we

will talk about his future in a

minute but get in touch especially

if you are a West Brom band. Dave

says West Brom should be careful

what they wish for, remember Pepe

Mel and Alan Irvine. Steve says they

would always lose to Chelsea, the

owners need to invest more in

players. Philip says the issue is

who can bring the best out of the

team. Chuck says... We don't want to

go there! Chuck says it was sad

hearing West Brom fans during the

match, I am a Chelsea supporter but

hearing, you'll be sacked in the

morning and get out of our club was

horrible. Does Pulis seem resigned?

He seemed resigned before the game

saying he wasn't bothered if they

sacked him.

That is probably what

roused West Brom plans the most.

They feel he has been stubborn in

this sense, that they are flooding

social media to complain about, not

just losing games but the style of

football and how grim it is to

watch, and it is almost as though he

is saying, I will not change, I will

not change the way I play. In fact,

I will be even more Tony Pulis than

the original. I think that has

brought the situation to a crisis

point. It has to be resolved.

Why should he change? He has never

been relegated. West Brom Frans

Steyn to be careful for what they

wish for to an extent but they are

brittle and boring to watch. They

have brought in the players during

the summer and the West Brom fans

wanted to see a different brand of

football. Why are they so boring?

Because of the way that the play.

They are directing goal long. They

are well organised.

The full-backs

are really go across the halfway

line.

We have to get results. If

they are getting results are not in

a nice position, it is all Greek to

play like that. When you are

languishing in the bottom, it is

going to cause a problem. They have

got Tottenham next away. Then the

Newcastle at home. And then it is

Crystal Palace at home. Newcastle at

home and Crystal Palace at home, he

needs to get results in those games

the pressure is on.

I believe it is

the best league in the world to

watch. This is where the model falls

down. I totally understand the club

and Tony Pulis. He is doing his best

to keep the club in the Premier

League, it is the be all and end

all. He has done it all his career.

I understand that the fans as well.

What is the point, I not going to be

entertained by Chelsea, I want to

watch my team beat Chelsea.

Let us

listen to Alan Shearer last night on

Match of the Day about what West

Brom should do.

The crowd has

turned. It doesn't look good. I

would not find him, never relegated.

Three years, 13th, 14th and 10th. If

there was a club who were struggling

and he was out of a job, they were

turned to him to keep them in the

Premier League.

Perhaps they should

sack and then hire him back, stroke

of genius, not time to make fun of

the tough situation.

They are three

points of 12 position. I would give

them a pupil games.

Is it the nature

of football, some of the West Brom

fans.

It is understandable but he is

good at keeping teams up. He has

never been relegated so that is a

reason I would not get rid of him

just yet.

This message heard from

Christophe

he should go for the Wales job when

it is available. Routers that

situation is that? Ryan Giggs has

been mentioned but Tony Pulis made

no secret he was to manage his

country one day.

No one would ever

suggest that he is manufacturing

this situation. That would be an

option. Whether or not that would be

if he has the reputation now, that

West Brom fans are stating that it

is terrible football, would welsh

fans be happy watching that? If that

follows you around, that'll be the

issue whatever you go.

West Brom

fans have to be realistic as well. I

think West Brom have to stick with

him. In terms of will he keep them

up, guess he will at the end of the

season. That they want to change the

way they want to play, they have to

invest a lot of money and change

managers. At the time he is the best

man for that job.

The owners well

there yesterday. You could cut back

atmosphere with a knife.

It is all

about staying in the Premier League.

That is what the owners must be

thinking about, not the brand of

football. They would like to have a

scintillating, open brand of

football with lots of goals but it

is about imperialism.

We are in

trouble, let us stay up. If we built

a full name and the hat, Michael

O'Neill.

He has been linked

everywhere and I thought he was

about to take the national team job

of Scotland.

If you are by Colonial,

what is a better job for him, West

Brom or Scotland?

It depends whether

Michael wants to go in to club

management. That he had a choice, I

think he would take West Brom over

Scotland.

Etihad a few more quid.

I

don't know this, I am guessing. I

think you would like a job in the

Premier League at some stage.

West

Brom over Scotland. Will that affect

the linking of the owner?

If they do

have someone as a choice in mind, if

you have someone in mind to replace

your manager should you sack him at

results continue to be poor, if that

guy says to you, listen, I have

another offer, then it does give you

a decision to make, a choice to make

if you think he is the man going

forward. I am not sure that West

Brom are thinking that we can lose

the chance of getting Michael

O'Neill.

I go back to the point I

made earlier and if you are West

Brom, running that club, making sure

they stay in the league, you keep

the man you have got who will

presumably, given his track record,

we'll do that. But you have to think

about your customers, your

supporters.

They know they are going

to sell season tickets you in and

year out.

On the subject of managers

under pressure, Paul Clement lost

six out of the last seven games.

They played Bournemouth at home on

Saturday. Bull that proved decisive?

The next 2-3 James Wilby decisive.

What he has to do is find a way to

stop conceding goals. And to get

tighter. I'd hate to use a phrase

but back to basics. They are not be

minded to make a change but 2-3

games down line...

Going back to the

Hawthorns, Chris, you don't club,

Chelsea, some appreciation of how

Morata and Eden Hazard are linking

up.

The linkup was incredible. The

touch by Morata for the goal for

Eden Hazard. He looks back to his

best. Good Morata replace Diego

Costa? Different player, intelligent

with good movement. Chelsea have to

keep those two that if they want to

push.

That is the voice of Chris

Sutton, Guy Mowbray and Andy Dunn as

well. We will hear from Paul Pogba

and be live at the key road ahead of

David Moyes with his first game in

charge of West Ham. Let us talk

about Manchester City. Garth crooks,

Martin Keown and Phil Neville, they

all think Manchester City will be

unbeaten. Garth crooks says

Manchester City are playing the

greatest football in Premier League

history. You that the King Power

Stadium, do you agree with that?

I

agree wholeheartedly. This is the

best football I have seen

consistently, week after week. It is

bang on every single match. One

person who does not think that will

happen is Pep Guardiola. We do not

need to call it now. If it happens,

it happens. Let us just enjoy the

brand of football they are playing.

The brand of football is

scintillating to watch whoever you

support. Long may it continue, long

may the entertainers. I think they

have played better this season but

they broke up against Leicester City

say to have had a revival. They were

down to ten men early on possibly.

They would still have won the game.

We should not call it now. It is

good fun. They will not go unbeaten

in the season. I think they are

fantastic and unbelievable to watch.

In one game, defensively,

particularly in the central area of

defence, I think they be vulnerable.

I think they looked vulnerable

yesterday. They will vulnerable

against Arsenal when it got back at

2-1.

Liverpool for the first few

minutes.

I think they have lost John

Stones now for six weeks.

12 games.

I don't think they will go unbeaten.

It is some of the best football we

have seen in the Premier League.

We

have seen teams play like that spot

consistently? It is every game.

What

are you laughing at? He is on a

downer.

That is usually your job.

John Stones and Vincent Kompany,

that partnership was divided.

Some

interesting comments from Pep

Guardiola after the game. In terms

of international duty. He has played

180 minutes in friendlies.

That is

following on from Jose Mourinho,

Phil Jones getting injections and

had to miss the Manchester United

game. He thinks it is a factor

behind the hamstring injury.

If John

Stones declares himself that, he

plays for England, that is fine. The

Phil Jones matter was scandalous.

Six injections. Jose Mourinho should

be furious.

Talking about Manchester

City going to Leicester City. They

were battered glasses and 4-2.

Let

me tell you about that game. I was

at that game. Manchester City if

memory serves me had a 79% per

session. Perhaps 80%. Manchester

City scored two goals late on, if

the game lasted another five minutes

it would have been 4-4. That

formation that day was essentially

1-10. He had John Stones. And they

were just running forward. Kolarov

and a Zabaleta as well.

Was there

some arrogance? It was like Pep

Guardiola had not watched Leicester

City player and had not Donal

Vaughan beer hole.

I think he has

got his day now.

-- he had not done

his homework.

Six of the team that

started at Leicester City last

season have left altogether. Only

two started yesterday which was

David Silva and Kevin de Bruyne. He

was only three or four months in at

Manchester City.

I thought the

Chelsea game when they beat Chelsea

1-0, I felt this was a sight that

would go on this season. Last season

the problem was defensively. You

would be worried about the loss of

John Stones. Last season they had

Claudio Bravo in goal. Ederson

yesterday did not have a lot to do.

He exudes presence. Let us talk

about their Bibles, Manchester

United. Paul Pogba scored against

Manchester United last night and he

spoke to Steve Wilson after

beginning.

From the manager's point

of view, he has got you back and you

scored, Lukaku is scoring again, and

Zlatan Ibrahimovic got some minutes

on the pitch, everything he wanted

happens.

It feels good. When you

come back and score. I like that. We

were defective and have got good

players, talented players, we need

to trust each other. Lukaku is the

best writer in the Premier League

and rebuild his quality. We do not

worry about him.

Can you still win

the league, if you think?

This

season is long. If I don't believe

that, stop playing. If I don't

believe we can still win the league,

I leave my boots and stop playing

football. I am a believer that we

keep fighting. Remember that United

won the league after they wed a few

points behind. I was at Juventus. We

were two points behind at the start

of the season. And then we went

ahead of everyone.

Of course I

believe. That was Paul Pogba. I was

at Old Trafford. It was not the

horses running freely like they did

at the start of the season but it

was back to where they wear. How

important is Paul Pogba to

Manchester United?

FTR to push

Manchester City, absolutely crucial.

I do not think we saw the best of

Paul Paul Barber last season. --

Paul Pogba. He is just coming back

from an injury but very talented.

And Zlatan Ibrahimovic who came off

the bench after being out with a

knee injury. And acrobatic effort.

What is it about Paul Pogba, why do

you feel in that team, he can give

Manchester City a run for the money?

Talking about Ederson exuding

confidence. He is infectious. One of

the best all-round midfielder is in

world football. That will make

Manchester United playing

differently. He has got Red Rum and

Shergar Backworth. The horses

running freely. A warhorse and a

real thoroughbred.

Paul Pogba is the

best talent, box to box. He can turn

a defensive situation into an

attacking situation very quickly.

There was a moment yesterday when he

walked down the sideline limping and

before he got to the tunnel United

scored the goal and he was

celebrating with everyone. It is the

camaraderie. It is something

everyone has been missing when he

has not been on the team.

If United

and City keep winning, we have had

so many games hyped to high heaven,

can you imagine the build-up to

December ten? It starts now.

You

have Liverpool- Everton before that

as well. It will start now. It will

not decide the title obviously but

when we were speaking earlier about

whether City... Will they be beep

them -- beat them or not? At Old

Trafford you can't say Manchester

United have a small chance of

beating City. They haven't. I would

suggest that isn't even money game.

Odds wise I think it is one or the

other. In terms of... I wouldn't say

one or the other is favourites.

I

don't see City going the season

unbeaten.

Would they go to Old

Trafford is favourites now?

Absolutely not, and the gemstones --

Johnstons factor, how important he

is. I don't think Kompany is as

important as John Stones.

The best

columnist on the couch has been to

see Mourinho this week! LAUGHTER Not

you, Chris.

He's a columnist as

well. Not the best.

He's all right.

When you interviewed him what did

you make of him? I noticed

yesterday, all four goals, he only

celebrated one, Lukaku's. It was a

motionless the whole time, uniting

fans getting on his back and he is a

motionless and winning against --

United fans.

He wasn't celebrating

with me either, it has to be said.

It is very matter-of-fact. He has

been like this before. It is as

though he has a point to prove, yes,

it is as though basically all the

criticism of the style of play, he

is adamant that will not change, so

he is quite surly in his outlook. He

thinks he is unfairly criticised, no

doubt about that, committee always

as from the moment he came in. In

his Chelsea days, early then, when

he was winning trophies with Chelsea

in his first spell, you asked

journalists generally, they wanted

to know why Arsene Wenger who wasn't

winning anything was getting all the

praise and why Chelsea... Why he and

Chelsea were not. Then it was

because, again, Arsene Wenger and

Arsenal play nice attractive

football and Chelsea were playing

winning football but not necessarily

attractive.

Do you think he deserves

criticism for the way United at

Liverpool... It was split, was it

the right way to setup? Then they

lost to Huddersfield next week. So

it was the wrong decision.

That is

constructive criticism, I think you

are entitled to criticise that. I do

understand why he thinks he is

unfairly criticised. Firstly his

record is fantastic, as he tells us

quite often! 24 trophies, is it? So

I do think that has to be taken into

account. Plus with United, he said

in the interview I did with him

earlier in the week, why is it, he

says... I asked him about moving on

the season, challenging for the

title having won trophies last

season, and he said yes, that's the

aim, but why are we judged

differently from other teams in the

big six? So if Liverpool don't win

the title will people say it has

been a failure? If Arsenal don't win

will it be a failure? No, if

Mourinho and United don't win it

will be viewed as a failure.

Its

Premier League history.

The size of

the club and the money spent but I

take his point, these teams have the

same qualities.

Let's move on. One

game in the Premier League today,

Watford taking on West Ham. Match of

the Day 2 coming from there this

evening with Jason Mohammad and you

can listen to it on 5Live, kick-off

at 4pm and Steve Wilson will

commentate tonight. There he is,

nice and early. A lot of speculation

about Marco Silva becoming the next

Everton manager. Have you had your

into the ground this morning? What

is the chap? Do you see Silva ending

up at Goodison Park?

Well, Watford

are keen to ensure that doesn't

happen and have rebuffed all

approaches from Everton and reported

this morning that they fully intend

to rebuff any future approaches from

Everton, but that doesn't end the

story but just throws the ball into

Marco Silva's court. He is 40 years

old, a young man who has been at a

few clubs, 22 games Hull City, one

set Olympiakos, not once sacked by

Portuguese club Sporting for not

wearing a club suit so he knows how

easily you can be sacked, and also

how easily managers can be sacked by

this club. The owners of Watford

took over in 2012. Nine managers

have worked here since. So Watford

season-ticket historically over the

course of that time lasts longer

than a Watford manager. Marco Silva

is aware of that. So he could stay

now and do quite well and get sacked

in the summer because it happened to

Quique Sanchez Flores here, of

course. My feeling is that he will

have to resign if he wants to go to

Everton. I don't know if he will or

won't, but it is a strong

possibility he will, I think. If I

was Everton I would be feeling this

is one they could get over the line

if they push the right buttons, and

I have been checking for buttons on

the Watford manager -- under the

Watford manager's seat because I

wondered if it had an ejector, so

many managers have been jettisoned

recently, it hasn't but I suspect

Watford will be looking for a new

incumbent pretty soon.

LAUGHTER What

do you expect from West Ham and

David Moyes? Interesting to see how

they react today.

It will be back to

basics approach from David Moyes I

think the early weeks here. Their

problem is very much has been

perceived to be a lack of

application, whether that is true,

there have been questions over their

fitness, conceding goals late in the

game and certainly defensively they

have major problems and their

signings again have not, perhaps

with the exception of Javier

Hernandez, not stood up to the plate

this season, having spent a lot of

money in the summer. So a lot of

work for David Moyes to do here. I

think in some senses he is the ideal

man because he will certainly get

them fitter and more organised. He

will be very highly moated him --

motivated himself because he knows

if he fails at West Ham, where does

he go next? His contract is only

until the summer so if things don't

work out, West Ham can get rid of

him cheaply at the end of the

season. I think West Ham have more

than a good enough squad to say up

and more than a good enough manager

to keep them up. I feel sorry for

Slaven Bilic, a guy with great

passion, and last season at Upton

Park under his control was really

memorable, but I'm afraid from then

on it has been a slow deterioration,

and it has looked like the last

knocking for Bilic for a long time

before they did the deed and got rid

of him. I hope he gets back into the

game, and I hope for David Moyes

that it is a success for him. It

could be. I think November 29 is the

date in the diary when West Ham go

to Goodison Park. What is that, ten

days away? Could be Silva and Moyes

together again.

We shall see. Steve

Wilson live at Vicarage Road. He is

on Match of the Day 2 to night,

kicking off at 4pm and also live on

5Live. You mentioned -- he mentioned

there, a lot of the papers are

saying today including the Daily

Mirror, he will have to walk if he

is to become Everton manager.

He

will have to resign. Watford will

not go with amicably separating. If

Everton did come back in and were

told what to buy Watford with a

bigger offer, bigger than the £10

million rejected, I still think what

Woodward rejected.

What you mean

told not to?

They have said, don't

come back again. Watford, I think...

There will be a case if Everton

persist that basically this will go

to the Premier League in the end and

they will say, hang on a minute.

That is the issue with resigning, he

can walk out but Watford, and Steve

mentioned the ownership, they are no

pushovers. So if Silva resigns it

still doesn't guarantee he can

manage Everton. Legally he is under

contract. Can you imagine, would

Everton want to get that Messi with

the Premier League involved? It

doesn't look good.

Why would Watford

want to keep them? They would want a

manager who doesn't want to manage.

What they certainly don't want as a

rival club who have made the

mistakes themselves, they don't want

them them having to pay for

Everton's mistake.

Can you see the

appeal of going to Everton for

Silva?

For Silva you want to manage

the bigger club and you want to go

to Everton. He would have to look

back at Watford, they are serial

slackers, that must be on his mind.

That simply if you get a chance to

manage a club as big as Everton, you

want to go there.

I think Steve

summed it up perfectly, looking at

Silva's history, the Sporting Lisbon

thing was barking, the argument

upstairs about his tracksuit, that

is ridiculous. He has that on his

mind. He used Hull to some extent to

get over here and a good job of it.

I know there were relegated but he

improved things hugely in difficult

circumstances. His stock is high. I

can see them going for this.

Probably higher than it should be

and that will also be on his mind.

His record is good. With Hull

Watford it is better than anyone

outside the top six in percentage

wins but he is on a three-game

losing run and will look back at

last season with 15 points from 11,

that manager got sacked that the end

of the season with the same last

season. Sanchez Flores had better

and ended up 13th and was sacked.

Why should he show them loyalty,

that's what you're saying.

At the

moment his stock is high and if it

is that high and you have the

opportunity and thing, hang on, I

have lost three games on the spin...

If they lose today, they have

Newcastle then Manchester United and

Spurs coming to town.

Those numbers

were interesting, I didn't realise

those, but it is better for him than

with the numbers, he is better than

those numbers.

Why are Everton in

this situation? The international

break, you'd think Unsworth would be

appointed by now if they wanted him,

we know Sean Dyche hasn't come to

anything, why this?

It has gone on

too long.

Why?

The money they spent

in the summer, they can't afford

to...

They Yedder manager.

David

Unsworth couldn't be trusted with

the money they spent. They want

Guaranty Premiership safety. Get the

best man in.

They move in circles

that are telling them that is not

the way forward. You spend serious

money on players, you want a manager

with great connections, who can

attract players to the club, the

type they would want to buy, that is

why he is turning to someone like

Marco Silva, who would have that

allure. They are in the situation,

Will, basically because they didn't

have someone lined up when they

sacked the last manager. It was

rougher than anticipated after the

defeat to Arsenal, in the aftermath

of that it became obvious they

didn't have anyone lined up.

There

you go, thank you, Chris, well

behaved today! I am worried! The

Grinch. Chris, Andy, Guy, thank you,

that is all from Match of the Day 2

Extra for now. Watford- West Ham is

on at 5Live from 4pm and you can

catch highlights on Vicarage Road

from 10pm. Have a good Sunday.