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War rent Gatland looks on as his

Wales take on Australia.

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Davies. Wales on the attack.

They are over.

Too easy.

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Davies is off.

It is a three on one. Steffan Evans

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is over. There is an overlap here.

Try awarded.

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Oh, it is the safest hands on the

field.

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Steffan Evans back on his feed.

What

tackle that is. He is away!

Beale

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scores for Australia. Jonathan

Davies. It has had a bit of

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everything this game. It has been a

cracker.

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APPLAUSE

Good evening and welcome to Scrum

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APPLAUSE

Good evening and welcome to Scrum V.

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The hoodoo continue, that was our

13th consecutive defeat but there

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are reasons to be cheer 68

We are

back in the club and we have a very

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special panel for you this evening.

Please welcome, Jonathan Davies.

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Peter Jackson.

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A packed house, as always. Bridgend

sports under 16s. The Rhondda women

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are in the house and so too the

wanderers under 18s. And there is

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more, will you please welcome, Mr

Shaun Holly. And lock up everybody

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it is Andy Powell.

From the women's

Barbarians...

So many guest, shall

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we get the panel out. Maybe we

should. Come on in boys.

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Welcome gentlemen, James I have to

be honest I am getting sick of this,

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welcoming you in after another

Wallabies Vicks tri. You are not a

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smug Australia, you are gripping

from ear to workers you must be

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delighted. I thought it was a good

Test match from both teams. A great

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result for the Aussie, starts our

tour off and we head off to

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Twickenham to play the English.

Another defeat, we will say it

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again,

A few reasons to be cheerful.

I thought it was a great Test match.

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We tried to change things a bit.

They create a lot of opportunities

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and it was enjoyable, unfortunately.

We were on the end of a 38-2

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spanking last year. This does feel

like progress by comparison.

It

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does. I think it was clearly

different, we are obviously trying

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to change. But then, I reflected on

it later and thought, lots of good

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things happened. We were different,

trying to get the ball wider, when

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you compare us to some performances

of the home nation, they are two

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years ahead of us, they made this

change two years after the World

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Cup, we have been treading water for

two years and now we start to

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change, we have two yearses of

catching up to do. I wonder why our

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coaching staff has allowed us to be

followers and not leaders. We were a

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long way to go in the short period

of time.

That is an interesting

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point.

Peter, two years to go, until a

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World Cup, are we too late to the

party.

It is certainly very late. I

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suppose you would say better late

than never. I mean I made my views

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clear a year ago, I believe the

Welsh made a mistake in allowing

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Warren Gatland to go on a Lions tour

when there was an overhaul to be

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done of the Wales team. It started

now, why wasn't this started 12

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months ago? Steffan Evans should

have been playing for Wales during

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the last Six Nations and maybe had

he done so he might have learned the

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harsher realities and not made the

mistakes he's made yesterday. Having

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said that I thought there was a lot

to admire what what Wales did. It is

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nice the see them running and

passing and rather going round

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people. I thought the most startling

statistic was a game with high tempo

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Wales only conceded three penalty f

you said that before, you would

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think, we are going to win this

game, but in the end, same old

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result, but it was certainly not the

same old performance.

We will

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analyse that more in a few minutes

time. Let us remind ourself how it

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unfolded.

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LAST POST PLAYS

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LAST POST PLAYS

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Owen Williams. It is Faletau runs

into the brick wall of Kerevi.

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Advantage being played in Wales'

favour. Offside Australia. Biggar.

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Steffan Evans, coming off his wing,

looking for work.

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The crowd says it all. Wales take

the lead.

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Hooper.

Biggar tries to hold up the

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Australia captain. Polota-Nau now.

Ball with the tackle.

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Foley. Steffan Evans. Has to play

it. Has to take the ball out of

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play.

That is a brilliant kick.

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The crowd says it all. Wales take

the lead.

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Hooper.

Biggar tries to hold up the

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Australia captain. Polota-Nau now.

Ball with the tackle.

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Foley. Steff Evans. Has to play it.

Has to take the ball out of play.

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That is a brilliant kick.

Hanigan,

with the catch. Here comes the drive

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and Australia have a clear

advantage. Polota-Nau has the ball.

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They are over.

That was too easy from a Welsh

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perspective. It is Polota-Nau with

opening try of the game.

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Alun Wyn Jones. Gareth Davies and

Davies is off. Davies beats Hodgson.

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Wales pour into the ruck. Faletau

plays scrum-half. Jake Ball, good

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distribution, Jonathan Davies. Leigh

Halfpenny. Steff Evans, he is over,

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and grounds the ball.

A brilliant try by Wales. Good

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execution. That is what we wanted to

see.

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Beale.

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Beale. Tackle on him by Faletau.

Foley. Puts one through. Halfpenny.

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Halfpenny plays football. It is

still in play. The wriggle for the

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line. Wales, defend desperately and

it is is there for Coleman to score.

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That was a brilliant piece of play.

Defensively Wales were magnificent.

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Watch this pass. Patience, patience,

and he just picks the runner, they

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go close, there you go, second man

in. Brilliant finish.

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Genia picks it back up and says I'm

not ready.

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Hanigan throws.

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Beale. There is an overlap. If

Hooper can find Hodgson. Hooper, is

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he short? Is he over? Try awarded.

Again brilliant finish. So, so

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clinical. That is a killer blow

before half-time.

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Switch of play Rob Evans. Faletau

gets the pass away, again the vital

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pass goes astray.

Look at this. Prop

number eight, hooker on the outside.

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Inside ball Steff Evans is there in

support. They are trying to play a

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lovely blinder rugby.

Hasn't Rob Evans got good hands.

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Jonathan Davies in pursuit. Hodge

waits. Alun Wyn Jones and Jake Ball

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make the tackle, and turn the wing

over. Rob Evans risky one, Aaron

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Shingler back to Rob Evans.

Beautiful hands big bishop Steff

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Evans stays is on his feet. Navidi.

Halfpenny. And it is the safest

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hands on the feel, Taulupe Faletau

who drops the ball.

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Ken Owens. Rob Evans. Jonathan

Davies.

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Steff Evans back up on his feet.

Gets away from Foley. And from

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Kuridrani.

What a tackle that is. He

is away.

Beale comes away with it.

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Everybody went with the dummy ball

and Beale scores for Australia.

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I saw that straightaway, it was kind

of a rugby league steal. No-one knew

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a where the ball was except for two

men.

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Does he knock it on? That is

brilliant play, Beale,. .

The

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forwards lead through Faletau. Alun

Wyn Jones dives for the line.

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Think he has lost it.

The referee in

Australia's direction. Playing the

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advantage. Australia in no rush,

knock-on by Wales, danger over.

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Out it comes. Navidi, advantage to

Wales. All this pressure, it just,

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like the World Cup game when they

were against 13, then 14, they

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couldn't score. Jonathan Davies, to

chase and pick up. Driven against

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the touchline. This will be

reviewed. The clock will stop.

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I am happy cheeps control of that

you can award the try.

Try awarded.

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Yes, reminder

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you can award the try.

Try awarded.

Yes, reminder there of the match,

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let us get the verdict now from both

camps.

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We are disappointed in terms of the

result, but you know, we talked

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about putting some new faces out

there, three new cap, three guys who

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had their first game at home, some

younger players, and I think that

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they will get bet refer that

experience. The boys are

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comfortable.

There is probably an

element of a Scarlets' blueprint. It

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sets well for a product we want to

put out there.

I thought he defended

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well, we did a pretty good job

defensively and took the set piece.

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And that channel. The message was,

just the pace, keep patience and

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keep possession, we were art about

to shorten them up.

They got us a

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couple of times on the edges, and

the ability probably for their ten

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on the have that second option as

well, so he doesn't have to play

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everything. Also made the nine a bit

more dangerous, so, you know when

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you look at three playmakers there

is that built of, you can't watch

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everything at the same time. We play

with the same sort of style.

There

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is a different picture, we didn't

know too much about particular

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seven, you know, and the six there,

so we had to feel that out. I am

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sure and see how that was going to

play out.

Nothing showed a mental

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block about playing Australia. We

were architects of our own downfall

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because we weren't accurate enough

in the the first half. Not things

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they created. Given the potency they

have as an attacking team, we made

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it easier for them, and the pleasing

thing is we got stronger, and went

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on and more accurate as the game

went on, that is a positive we can

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take out.

What has happened in the

past, I am being genuine, this is

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irrelevant, because it is only about

what happens in the future that

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counts, what happens in the past is

done.

Our focus is in the planning

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and a lot of teams focus is about

the countdown to the World Cup. And

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we feel that, the nice thing is that

we have Australia in our group, and

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we, that time together in terms of

the next two years and preparing and

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camps and there together, we will go

on to that group with a lot of

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confidence that we are capable of

winning that group.

I think we will

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make a lot of changes for next week.

I think, you know, so there will be

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a lot of some of the younger boys

will get a chance and some players

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that have come back in to the squad,

who have been out, getting an

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opportunity next week, so, and then

there is a chance for players that

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you know, there is a good chance of

players who go out and perform and

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play well and put themselves in

contention nor the All Blacks.

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You made your point about the start

about Wales adopting this style too

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late. There was more ambition,

willingness to offload, you must

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have been encouraged

There are

elements we all were delighted to

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see. We got to the edge, we created

opportunity, and a lot of praise has

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gone to, a lot of attention rather

has the gone to Owen Williams. He

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made us look different behind. When

you boil it further down, what was

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the biggest difference was the

number of pass, one of the biggest

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on the field, more than Owen

Williams was Rob Evans. He passed

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the ball 12 times, we were play the

ball, we have altered that a lot. If

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you look at some thelet better

movements. The two forwards got the

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ball.

Rob is a Scarlet. It is their

blueprint.

They were all trying to

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do it. Some were familiar and some

were less familiar trying to do it.

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We don't either know where our

limits are, we want the boys to play

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with high risks but it comes with a

hazard if you get it wrong. We don't

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know what we are able to push and

what we are not.

We brought that up

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in commentary yesterday, the fact

when Australia gets slow ball in

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their own 22, they will boot it,ing

on and put the pressure on Wales, we

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were, an offload that Gareth Davies

did. You can do that for the

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Scarlets and you won't get punished

but you have to understand where to

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put the miracle ball, you know, and

when to hold on and go to the, build

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through the phases again, it was

refreshing, I am going back, we

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didn't have the strength in-depth at

12 position, I didn't think that

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Scott Williams wasn't good enough. I

know the Scarlets approach and their

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forwards playing, it has been forced

on them a bit, as was the Lions

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playing a ten and 12, now they have

done it, there is no going back now.

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Scarlets played so well last season,

every time they did play, if I had

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been Wales I would have been

embarrassed. Compare to it a turgid

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season, treading water, I think he

is probably being polite. It was a

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huge season of wasted opportunity,

also it is important to consider

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where Australia have been, since

they were here last autumn. They

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have been to hell and back. Hammered

four times by England. Losing to

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Scotland in Sydney. Humiliated by

the All Black, boxing match would

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have been stopped ten minutes in.

They recovered from that. Maked 25

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new player, ended the doll sick

season by beating the All Blacks.

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Let us talk about that, the fact

Australia have been together for a

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while. Warren Gatland, he didn't use

it as an excuse, he mentioned it

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post match. Is that a big factor?

When you try to play a new style you

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will have the teething issue,

especially Wales have been trying to

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play that way for a long time. The

guys get used to it. There is that

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level of comfort round playing, you

get out there and we know what we

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are going to do and keep doing it.

When you push to a new style you

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have those issue, especially under

Test match intensity. As soon as you

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get out there with pressure in your

face and you saw that with the

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mistakes they were make, you can see

they were making great inRhodes,

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especially on the edge there of the

Australian defence but they just,

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that last pass, they weren't

composed enough with the ball. I

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think they need to stick at it, I

don't think they should make that

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many change, if you pull guys in and

out you don't get that time,

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building some combinations to get

there, if you pull a bunch of guys

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out and expect them to pick up where

they left off, I think it will be a

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big ask.

If you look in training,

someone said the Scarlets were head

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and shoulders above most of the

other regions because of the

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awaresness they have and the

confidence they have in passing and

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the way they are play, I think the

game they are trying to play

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unfortunately, the skill level

collectively, at crucial times, it

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let us down yesterday. I don't think

Owen Williams had a great game. I

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don't think he did anything special.

The Scarlets have a hard defensive

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press, we mentioned the line speed

yesterday, and when there are

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mistakes or turn overs it is two

pass, get away from traffic and see

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what happens on the outside, so, you

know hopefully now with the players

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they have picked, you know, they

will have got confidence, but I am

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with James as well. I-wouldn't make

huge changes for next week.

There

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was a feeling that Wales perhaps

were in the ascendancy in the second

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half, there was that critical Beale

steal, the ultimate steal you called

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it. Let us look at this now. There

was the suggestion of a late tackle,

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or high tackle rather. But also,

looking at are replay a clear

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knock-on.

We saw it, it was right

below us. It was a great steal, a

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one-on-one steal. I think the

referee and the TMO made an early

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call. They were confident on what

they had seen, maybe there was one

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angled from the camera that showed

he has knocked on and it was a clear

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knock-on. He doesn't, at that point

in the game, when you are trying to

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slow the game down as an Australian,

you don't take a quick conversion.

I

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didn't see a clear knock-on. I

thought Graham is one of the best

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TMOs in the business.

I think he got

it right.

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APPLAUSE

Whether it was or not, it was a

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critical juncture, we know how

momentum can swing in test rugby.

We

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were playing well. Attacking well.

It is hard to know, because you

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could argue the try was... I think a

couple of other things going back, I

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can't get my head round they won't

play Owen Williams. We have to have

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a full-back who is good at

attacking, they said we have been

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working on Leigh Halfpenny's counter

attack, there is a famous quote you

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can't pull in what God didn't give

you. It is about beating the man

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with the agility...

He is is not

playing for his club.

Neither is

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Owen Williams playing 12 for

Gloucester. You can't put apply the

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same argument to different people.

APPLAUSE

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One more thing... Go on.

What I, we

talk people playing in the wrong,

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don't play in the wrong area, by

that attitude, Liam Williams would

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never have started that try the

Lions scored ins in. We are still

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pushing the boundary, where we have

to understand is we have to push

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things but as the game develops, as

the phase develops, you have to

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realise this isn't on. We have to

change what we are doctor we don't,

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barely kicked in the tackle. We saw

how important that was, there are

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times to say we are going to go but

we have to pull it in now because it

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is not on those are the difficult

things the Zaha lets are struggling

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with -- Scarlets are struggling

will.

What is it about the Aussies's

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killer instinct you convert

opportunity, look at that Coleman

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try and the pinpoint pass from

Genia, when Wales had a man

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advantage as they did for ten

minutes they couldn't convery. There

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was the Alun Wyn Jones opportunity,

couldn't get over the line.

It was

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the patience the guys showed. That

is important. You build phases,

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pressure and hopefully they get a

penalty, Australia give a lot away

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to Wales there, but the big thing is

that patience and belief we are

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going no get over. If we build

phases they will creek in form of a

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penalty or a lazy defender, not

watching the ball, someone come

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tonnes blind shoulder and it was a

good ball.

If you look at Australia,

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they have Beale, Foley, even Hodge

can step in as a first, as a

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stand-off, if you have Owen

Williams, you need someone at

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full-back to go I will take the

kick. If things are poor, you have a

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sense of what is happening on the

field. If you are struggling and you

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are bogged down in your own 20, kick

it. That is it. The vision comes

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from the back as well. Genia was a

different level. He controlled

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everything, didn't rush anything.

What yesterday shows is Australia

0:24:150:24:20

have more players with better skills

when it matter, I think it's a skill

0:24:200:24:24

factor many tend. Gatland can talk

about we made silly mistakes but if

0:24:240:24:30

your skills aren't up to it you are

likely to make more. I thought Foley

0:24:300:24:35

and Genia were terrific and they

weren't the only one, that is an

0:24:350:24:40

Australian team without the best

player in the world in my opinion

0:24:400:24:46

fall law.

Jonathan Davies, nasty

injure right at the end, how much of

0:24:460:24:51

a loss would he be if he is, we are

waiting to see how he will be, if he

0:24:510:24:58

is out for the rest of the series.

He will be devastated. We are trying

0:24:580:25:03

to develop a 12, that would be the

best way to do it. He is a wonderful

0:25:030:25:07

player, important for the defence as

much as attack and you know, really

0:25:070:25:11

hope he is back as soon as possible.

It would be a devastating blow.

One

0:25:110:25:16

more thing, you probably all saw the

pictures of the crowds, thousands

0:25:160:25:20

trying to get into the stadium, and

a lot of them didn't get in until 15

0:25:200:25:26

minutes after kick off because of

the increased security measures. It

0:25:260:25:30

has been the talk of social media. A

lot of fans missing much of the

0:25:300:25:34

game. A statement was issued that

said the fans were warned, that

0:25:340:25:40

extra security measures were going

to be in place, they will be in

0:25:400:25:43

place now for the remainder of the

Autumn International games so I

0:25:430:25:46

guess the message if you are go

ocean to go to any more, go early.

0:25:460:25:52

Good advice. The next man needs no

introduction at all. He is unique,

0:25:520:25:58

he is the one, the only Andy Powell

ladies and gentlemen.

0:25:580:26:01

APPLAUSE

How are you big man?

0:26:010:26:08

Andy, great to see you always. What

were your thoughts on the new Wales

0:26:080:26:13

we saw yesterday?

I was, you know I

was happy with the game, before the

0:26:130:26:17

game, I proi probably would have

said probably have 15, 20 points put

0:26:170:26:24

on us, the intensity, we matched

them up front, like somebody said,

0:26:240:26:28

was it Peter said, Rob Evans was

offloading the ball. Alun Wyn Jones,

0:26:280:26:31

it was good. That is how Wales

should be playing rugby. But it is

0:26:310:26:35

positive. I think it is a good sign

going forward for Wales.

We were

0:26:350:26:44

forced to reshuffle a bit because of

injury, what did you make of that

0:26:440:26:49

blend with Shingler and Navidi, a

top tackler he was yesterday.

It was

0:26:490:26:53

a good mix, back row is keen to have

a balance in it. I thought Shingler

0:26:530:26:58

and del Fava di. Faletau was quiet.

It was a good back row, and it is

0:26:580:27:04

good to have competition.

You are a

rare breed because you are a

0:27:040:27:09

Welshman who does know what victory

against the Wallabies looks like,

0:27:090:27:13

nine years ago, you were at your

best. What do you remember of this

0:27:130:27:16

one?

Standardn't it for me. --

standard.

The hair is looking good

0:27:160:27:27

there. .

I have aged a bit since

then! We had a good squad. The

0:27:270:27:34

Wallabies had a good squad. You have

to take it to them, and you know, we

0:27:340:27:38

have the players in Wales to do it.

It is good to see Wales playing,

0:27:380:27:43

chucking the ball about on the

weekend. It is looking good for

0:27:430:27:46

Welsh rugby.

A quiet night after

that one.

Probably, yes.

An early

0:27:460:27:52

night.

Like Sam Warburton in bed

early.

We will have more from Andy

0:27:520:27:57

in a few moment, let us find out

what happened at the stadium

0:27:570:28:01

yesterday. We caught up with a few

other big names to get their secret.

0:28:010:28:07

I thought it was impressive. Not the

best of starters in the autumn but

0:28:070:28:12

we came out, confident, looking to

play a slightly different brand of

0:28:120:28:15

rugby to what we have seen in recent

years.

0:28:150:28:20

We have proven as a national team we

can move the ball round, score try,

0:28:200:28:25

we made a few too many mistakes but

that was down to the fact we were

0:28:250:28:31

trying new things that perhaps we

were excited about. Manufacture

Our

0:28:310:28:36

ability to pass under pressure came

through from 1-15. In the tight

0:28:360:28:40

areas we got the ball wide, quickly,

we committed defender, I think we

0:28:400:28:45

just looked a very good side.

The

selection of Owen Williams worked

0:28:450:28:49

well. He got the ball to the wide

channel and had success there.

0:28:490:28:54

Hopefully they will continue to play

in that way. I think he will be a

0:28:540:28:59

permanent fixture this autumn.

The forwards that interplay with the

0:28:590:29:05

backs. I thought Rob Evans put a big

shift in.

He looked as comfortable

0:29:050:29:11

as anyone with ball in hand. It is

great to see from a Welsh point of

0:29:110:29:16

view.

When the forwards got the

ball, they popped it out the back

0:29:160:29:20

and chose to take a width option

when you are in the defensive line

0:29:200:29:24

it is hard to defend teams who are

stretching you axe teams who are

0:29:240:29:28

going narrow. I thought the game

plan was good. That helped Wales

0:29:280:29:35

play a more expensive game plan

I

thought we played well. We went off

0:29:350:29:40

the line quick, to cut out any major

attacking threat they offered. It

0:29:400:29:46

was a work man like performance.

Alun Wyn Jones was immense, his work

0:29:460:29:49

rate, his ability to hold people up

in the tackle. Came through loud and

0:29:490:29:53

clear.

Back row, Navidi, Shingler,

all the guys we were questioning,

0:29:530:29:58

stepped up today. So another step in

the right direction as far as the

0:29:580:30:03

Welsh scwards is concerned.

It a

case of going out and playing with

0:30:030:30:09

the same attacking intent they

showed today and hopefully a good

0:30:090:30:12

victory next week

When you have a

side on the ropes like we did, you

0:30:120:30:16

have to make sure we take the

opportunities that are there.

0:30:160:30:26

We scored a couple of tries,

probably left a few out there and

0:30:260:30:31

lost the ball twice on the try line.

We have got to be positive, it will

0:30:310:30:36

be a tough game next week against

Georgia.

That's the view from the

0:30:360:30:41

pundits. Sean Holley, what has

caught your eye?

The captain summed

0:30:410:30:47

it up perfectly. What impressed most

perhaps was

0:30:470:30:51

it up perfectly. What impressed most

perhaps was the style of play Wales

0:30:510:30:54

played with. Expect to see the 12 at

ten, Williams. This was one of 12

0:30:540:31:01

line breaks that will be reviewed on

Monday. Were we clinical enough from

0:31:010:31:05

our line break opportunities? It was

the off-loading game we saw,

0:31:050:31:18

Scarlet-esque and it was those

players who led the way. Rob Evans'

0:31:180:31:24

handling was superb, six carries,

this was after seven weeks out of

0:31:240:31:28

playing. Look at Amos, hungry to go

off nine. Biggar now has three

0:31:280:31:41

forwards as options, and maybe in

Watkin we have unearthed a future

0:31:410:31:47

talent. Then the support lines come,

Amos again. Because of the freedom,

0:31:470:31:55

to play with a bit more style.

Exiting is a major concern in the 22

0:31:550:32:01

line-out. The freedom allows them to

play, yes, but there's a time and

0:32:010:32:06

place to do it. 20 turnovers from

Wales. If you are going to play

0:32:060:32:12

deep, make sure you can kick and

kick effectively. Look at where the

0:32:120:32:19

Wallabies end up from this kick from

Steffan Evans. Straight after

0:32:190:32:23

half-time, are the half-backs on

page from the team talk? Not sure of

0:32:230:32:30

the tactic, and look where he puts

the Wallabies, straight towards the

0:32:300:32:36

22. What can we expect from Wales,

look at Alun Wyn Jones, the energy

0:32:360:32:41

of the man. Faletau playing

scrum-half, they have to be

0:32:410:32:51

interchangeable. There is Shingler

in midfield, Steffan Evans has a lot

0:32:510:32:55

to do but it's the width they give

that

0:32:550:32:57

to do but it's the width they give

that allows him to get over. So a

0:32:570:33:00

real improvement in the style of

play of Wales. Back to you.

0:33:000:33:06

Good to see the Steffan Evans try. A

must as well, there was some debate

0:33:100:33:16

whether it was a dry or not. It was

a lovely finish though, wasn't it?

0:33:160:33:24

The very rugby league style finish.

That's what winners do, they finish.

0:33:240:33:30

That's what he's paid to do and

that's what he did. I enjoyed it.

0:33:300:33:36

The way they square their shoulders

up and held defenders, whereas

0:33:360:33:40

previously they had been lapping and

lapping, a really rigid game plan.

0:33:400:33:45

Now everyone knows the game plan, it

doesn't matter where you are, you

0:33:450:33:51

have got to adapt. No missed passes

for the sake of missed passes, they

0:33:510:34:05

all straightened up and held their

man. It was a positive performance

0:34:050:34:07

in the right direction for me. It's

those little decisions at the right

0:34:070:34:10

time and that's what you got to

learn off your forwards. Just well

0:34:100:34:13

ate it, get on with it, then defence

is up... That's what we have got to

0:34:130:34:18

learn, you cannot play and score off

every phase we go through.

We have

0:34:180:34:22

showered Beale with praise but take

a quick look at this. I want you to

0:34:220:34:29

assess his scrummaging technique.

0:34:290:34:32

I don't know what he was doing here.

Look at that.

He's trying his best,

0:34:340:34:42

isn't he?

He doesn't know what he's

doing.

James, why

0:34:420:34:47

isn't he?

He doesn't know what he's

doing.

James, why did they put him

0:34:470:34:49

in the scrum? I don't actually know.

He wasn't doing anything.

He's not

0:34:490:34:58

perfect, is he?

No, but it's funny

how backs have no idea about

0:34:580:35:01

scrummaging.

0:35:010:35:07

We heard Warren Gatland talking

about it earlier, the World Cup.

0:35:120:35:16

Wales are in the same group as

Australia. How important is that

0:35:160:35:21

match when you are preparing to face

them again in two years?

We seem to

0:35:210:35:27

play Wales a lot, we seem to get

them once the years. It's about the

0:35:270:35:32

future, that is in the past now.

It's about the boys get confidence

0:35:320:35:38

playing against Wales. Michael

Hooper spoke about it, they weren't

0:35:380:35:42

sure what to expect this time

against Wales and I think we saw

0:35:420:35:47

that. Wales caught them short a few

times, we were short defensively

0:35:470:35:52

which the defensive staff will be

working on against England. The

0:35:520:35:56

World Cup is a long time away and

you can see a lot of changes in both

0:35:560:36:01

teams so it's good confidence and we

always love winning but I don't

0:36:010:36:06

think it will hold too much stead

for the World Cup.

There is an irony

0:36:060:36:12

here in a way because the Aussies

have adopted the system, where is

0:36:120:36:18

the Australians yesterday picked two

big bashes in the midfield.

Yes but

0:36:180:36:23

they have super players elsewhere so

it was a nice mix for them. I think

0:36:230:36:29

it has taken Wales too long to

realise that what Jamie Roberts

0:36:290:36:33

brought was far too predictable.

Careful, he is his mate!

I

0:36:330:36:40

appreciate that. The coach gets

properly if you mention Warren Bull,

0:36:400:36:47

the principle of going through

people instead of round it, and that

0:36:470:36:51

had gone past its sell by date

before Wales got round to changing

0:36:510:36:55

it and it's interesting Gatland's

decision has been influenced by what

0:36:550:37:01

the Lions did playing sexton at ten

and Farrell at 12, but Owen Farrell

0:37:010:37:08

is a better passer than anybody in

Wales.

There wasn't a standout

0:37:080:37:18

footballing 12, but I'm sure they

might have gone to that pattern

0:37:180:37:23

earlier. Owen is putting his hand

up.

Having put Owen Williams there,

0:37:230:37:29

I think they have got to keep him

there.

If you look at the teams that

0:37:290:37:34

play this style well, then Russell,

sexton... We talk about ten, 12. Ten

0:37:340:37:46

is the guy that takes the ball to

the line, set the tone and makes the

0:37:460:37:50

decisions. And Biggar was a fine

player but he hasn't played the

0:37:500:37:58

system so much. I would like to see

them having a chance to play it

0:37:580:38:02

because it's totally different to

what we have done.

He is the player,

0:38:020:38:07

ten, 12 is just the option. It's

down to the stand-off, but yesterday

0:38:070:38:16

they didn't really alternate the

kick in. It will be interesting to

0:38:160:38:20

see how that develops and who they

play at ten.

Biggar might be able to

0:38:200:38:27

do it, don't get me wrong, but I

would like to see others do it as

0:38:270:38:31

well.

We are going to talk changes

in a few moments but first cast your

0:38:310:38:41

minds back to Wednesday. Were you

doing something nice, watching

0:38:410:38:46

Coronation Street?

I think I was

watching our director abseil...

As

0:38:460:38:53

you do! We were watching rugby. It

was a night of rugby and remembrance

0:38:530:39:00

at a cold park on Wednesday night,

and moving match ceremony. It was

0:39:000:39:11

also a chance to mark a very

significant anniversary.

It's 100

0:39:110:39:19

years since women joined the British

Army and served in the Armed Forces

0:39:190:39:23

so I'm proud to be standing here

representing females joining the

0:39:230:39:27

Army really. We have seven full

international caps in our squad,

0:39:270:39:33

it's a fantastic team United Kingdom

are fielding tonight.

It's an

0:39:330:39:36

important time of the year,

Armistice Day and also the fact that

0:39:360:39:42

it's a good opportunity after the

World Cup to get new blood in this

0:39:420:39:47

team and go forward.

I see a lot of

young girls coming in, it is just

0:39:470:39:52

encouraging more young girls to get

involved in the game and it is for a

0:39:520:39:56

great cause as well.

We are hopeful

about women's rugby in the future?

0:39:560:40:03

Yes, it is the fastest-growing

women's sport in Wales by far and I

0:40:030:40:07

think it's really exciting.

It is

really fast, really quick, a

0:40:070:40:12

genuinely good experience.

It is the

first fixture since the World Cup,

0:40:120:40:17

and now the Welsh women's team are

there in four years it gives the

0:40:170:40:22

staff an opportunity to look at some

young players. We have got another

0:40:220:40:29

game this month against Scotland in

November, we have got the Six

0:40:290:40:35

Nations, and the girls going to the

Commonwealth Games for the very

0:40:350:40:38

first time. It will be nice to have

the girls' team there representing

0:40:380:40:44

the union and team Wales.

I've come

along to support my friend tonight.

0:40:440:40:53

She had none of the match

performance.

Yes, and she definitely

0:40:530:40:58

deserved it so I'm glad I was

supporting.

We love it every year,

0:40:580:41:03

we want to keep it going. It was

such a great occasion, a great

0:41:030:41:07

showcase of rugby and we cannot

thank them enough for putting this

0:41:070:41:10

on.

The best act of remembrance we

can do is come out and give a

0:41:100:41:17

performance. There's people on our

side who have lost people in battle,

0:41:170:41:22

friends and family, and it's time to

come together and remember those who

0:41:220:41:27

have fallen before us.

A good win on

Wednesday night for the women and on

0:41:270:41:31

Friday night a good win for the

Barbarians women in their first ever

0:41:310:41:36

outing, and two members of the squad

join me now. Rachael Taylor and Alun

0:41:360:41:48

-- Ellen Evans. What did you make of

that performance as they try to

0:41:480:41:55

develop the side?

I watched the

match back and I was very impressed.

0:41:550:41:59

It was a very emotional fixture, I

think it's great we fulfil that

0:41:590:42:04

fixture. A lot of the Welsh girls

are in the services as well and lots

0:42:040:42:08

of them had a cracking game. I

thought Alex was brilliant in the

0:42:080:42:13

centre, Alicia Butcher is great in

the back row. A lot of players

0:42:130:42:20

getting their first start but it

looked really promising and I think

0:42:200:42:23

the services played very well as

well and it made a good game of

0:42:230:42:27

rugby.

They have Scotland next, the

Wales women, but let's talk about

0:42:270:42:32

Friday night. How was sunny

limerick?

Yes, it is known for being

0:42:320:42:38

a bit wet and it was. We had a good

training session the day before so

0:42:380:42:43

now we are getting excited about the

rugby but come the match day it was

0:42:430:42:49

a bit of a downpour and a horrendous

wind going across the pitch, but

0:42:490:42:53

some great tries in the end. We did

a good end. The first try was a

0:42:530:43:02

penalty try but we will gloss over

that.

That will be a question on

0:43:020:43:07

question of sport one day!

It was a

seven minute penalty try, but it was

0:43:070:43:15

a lovely experience.

And some

pictures of you celebrating there.

0:43:150:43:19

Do you socialise much?

It is very

good trip away, an exclusive club

0:43:190:43:24

and credit is to go to the people

who it happen.

Yes, and it's all

0:43:240:43:31

about developing the game, I guess.

Definitely. To be involved in the

0:43:310:43:38

first of Barbarians game, speaking

to the management, you know how hard

0:43:380:43:42

they have worked and it's an honour

to be on that list, to wear the

0:43:420:43:45

shirt for the first time so thanks

very much to the committee really.

A

0:43:450:43:50

good round of applause for Rachel

Taylor and Ellen Evans.

0:43:500:43:57

So, to Georgia, that is who Wales

face next. An unfamiliar opponent

0:43:570:44:01

for many, so here is a low-down.

Don't muck about. I don't look like

0:44:010:44:19

Gorbachev.

0:44:190:44:22

I am Shanks.

And I am Flats. We have

come here... You have come here

0:44:300:44:50

because you look Georgian.

I don't,

I look Italian.

They are ranked two

0:44:500:44:56

space is higher in Italy. Yes, it's

all very well talking about being a

0:44:560:45:04

shop window but this will make the

rugby world sit up and take notice.

0:45:040:45:09

This Wales game is one of the

biggest games they will play for a

0:45:090:45:13

long time.

A rapidly improving

nation.

We are thankful the Welsh

0:45:130:45:18

Rugby union has given us this

opportunity for Saturday and

0:45:180:45:22

everyone is excited about it.

How

important has this game become for

0:45:220:45:28

you?

It's a great opportunity to

prove ourselves, that we deserve a

0:45:280:45:34

chance to play Six Nations.

0:45:340:45:39

I will tell you what, it is not a

myth, there is some proper big units

0:45:430:45:49

about.

Normally this is my domain

but even I'm feeling out of it. How

0:45:490:45:54

are they so big?

I think there's a

little secret ingredient, I will

0:45:540:45:59

show you.

0:45:590:46:04

Go on then.

Thanks for lending me

your kit.

I would have done it

0:46:070:46:17

myself... Just imagine he's Jiffy,

getting to him. People will think

0:46:170:46:21

you are warrior. Give them to me.

Glory in these years.

Jiffy. Jiffy.

0:46:210:46:34

Jiffy. David, you might need a safe

word. Get whatever you want. Grand

0:46:340:46:39

Slam.

0:46:390:46:45

All right, how are you, mate? I used

all right to walk my dog on Tuesday?

0:46:530:47:00

Quiet, Shanks, I'm on the phone to

Nugget.

I hope the boys have come

0:47:000:47:12

into camp well and that Shanks and

Flats are not keeping you too busy.

0:47:120:47:24

Good luck and hope to catch up soon.

That's nice, Milton will love that.

0:47:240:47:31

Tommy, Milton will never see that.

Bigger picture. It's a ladder we are

0:47:310:47:36

climbing. Milton is safely in bed,

restaurant... Flats and Shanks to

0:47:360:47:48

the stars, OK?

Set piece is huge for

this team, massive strength.

Yes,

0:47:480:47:53

the scrum is a strength at least. We

have seen them in the gym, they are

0:47:530:48:00

big, muscular alpha males so the

scrum is almost the embodiment of

0:48:000:48:03

what they want to be as men on the

field so it's no surprise they have

0:48:030:48:07

a great scrum but the line-out is

different. You need timing, it is

0:48:070:48:12

actually quite delicate art form so

that's what we will see in games

0:48:120:48:17

against teams like Wales, tier one

teams, that's where we will see if

0:48:170:48:21

they have got detail yet.

Georgie,

they won't let us out.

Was that

0:48:210:48:35

really the Prime Minister?

Yes.

How

do you know him?

We went to school

0:48:350:48:43

together.

Prime Minister, how big a

moment visit to meet David and me?

0:48:430:48:50

That is a joke, how big moment is it

for Georgian rugby to be playing

0:48:500:48:56

Wales on Saturday?

It's a great

opportunity and we are very proud of

0:48:560:49:00

our national team. It is in our

blood and we are very proud I

0:49:000:49:07

believe that our rugby players will

have a great game in Wales.

And I

0:49:070:49:11

presume that showed George beat

Wales in Cardiff you will declare a

0:49:110:49:17

national holiday for all?

Yes,

absolutely.

I had a good time

0:49:170:49:21

actually. Yeah, absolutely, where to

next?

0:49:210:49:29

It depends where they send us.

0:49:290:49:33

How do you follow that? We can't

take them anywhere, can we? He has

0:49:410:49:47

no shame. I would love to see what

they did off-camera. You were

0:49:470:49:56

mentioned, Jiffy? Fancy taking them

on? No! Go to our website for a

0:49:560:50:06

longer version, it is definitely

worth a watch.

We have heard the

0:50:060:50:11

slightly quirky view from Georgia

but on the pitch they have been

0:50:110:50:15

pulling up trees so far. They have

beat Kingsley Jones' Canada 54-22

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and if you have any doubts about

their finishing prowess, watch this.

0:50:240:50:33

Incredible. I guess the lesson there

is never give up on what seems like

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a losing cause.

Yes, that's an

amazing finish. It's going to be a

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tough game, one of those games for

Wales that is a banana skin. If they

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don't perform, everyone will react

negatively.

How much should be fear

0:51:160:51:21

that scrum?

A lot. In some of the

other clips, driving line-outs and

0:51:210:51:28

pressure, and a lot of Georgians

playing in France both in the First

0:51:280:51:32

Division and second division and

they are big men. A lot of them come

0:51:320:51:38

from a wrestling background.

As

demonstrated by Tom Shanklin in a

0:51:380:51:43

leotard!

They will want to keep it

tight, they will kick well and try

0:51:430:51:47

to shut the game down so the

challenge for Wales will be to get

0:51:470:51:51

possession quickly from set piece

and move into open space.

Warren

0:51:510:51:55

Gatland has already mentioned he

will make quite a few changes, where

0:51:550:52:03

would you start, Jonathan?

I don't

know I haven't really thought about

0:52:030:52:05

it but one thing I would do is I

would ensure we have a strong pack.

0:52:050:52:10

Whatever changes you are going to do

behind, if it is not the strongest

0:52:100:52:15

pack, it won't help anyone behind. I

am with James, I would make many

0:52:150:52:20

changes to the side. They have

started this new style, Owen

0:52:200:52:25

Williams' first game, I would give

him a run in outside centre maybe.

0:52:250:52:30

Maybe change Liam to full-back and

in the forwards I would maybe tinker

0:52:300:52:37

but the front five has to be

stronger. Maybe put Priestland in as

0:52:370:52:42

well but it's not fair to make

changes in the front five struggle

0:52:420:52:48

and then you are in the dogfight.

Then the old style, it would have

0:52:480:52:54

been a boring game really, with the

old-style we played, but now with

0:52:540:52:59

the way we played yesterday and if

we have that approach to get it wide

0:52:590:53:03

again, it will be quite a convincing

win hopefully.

I'm intrigued to get

0:53:030:53:10

Andy's thoughts because you will

have had a glimpse of Leon Brown

0:53:100:53:13

with your time at the Dragons. Is he

the kind of character that could get

0:53:130:53:18

stuck into the Georgians from the

off?

He's a young kid, he has a

0:53:180:53:24

future. I'm glad Warren Gatland has

put him in, given him a chance and I

0:53:240:53:29

think he's the future of Welsh

rugby. He's a big lad, athletic and

0:53:290:53:34

strong and in a few years he could

be key for the World Cup.

So you

0:53:340:53:42

would chuck him in against the

Georgians?

Yes, he is a big lad and

0:53:420:53:45

would be physical so I would give

him a chance.

In terms of the pack

0:53:450:53:50

overall, you wouldn't tinker with

that too much because that is the

0:53:500:53:54

Georgians' major strength?

It comes

down to if anyone has picked up any

0:53:540:54:00

knocks. Alun Wyn Jones is critical

for the side and make sure he's

0:54:000:54:06

firing but I wouldn't tinker too

much. You might swap the starters

0:54:060:54:11

with the reserves but I think as a

whole I would keep the side as

0:54:110:54:15

consistent as possible so they can

get more time in the saddle

0:54:150:54:19

together.

We mentioned how important

the Number Ten is, you mentioned

0:54:190:54:25

Priestland, but you have to go with

Biggar because of the number of caps

0:54:250:54:30

he has?

For this game I would go

with Priestland at ten, keep Owen

0:54:300:54:35

Williams at 12. One person we

haven't talked about is Tyler

0:54:350:54:39

Morgan, who needs to get fit, then

he would come back as a specialist

0:54:390:54:44

outside centre and heaven knows

there's a shortage of those. I would

0:54:440:54:49

change back three. I think Alan Amos

has done more than enough to deserve

0:54:490:54:57

the start. I would stick with

Steffan Evans. Leigh has become a

0:54:570:55:09

sacred cow. I think also, if there

is to be a public holiday in Georgia

0:55:090:55:18

a week Monday...

Which there might

be!

That could change the landscape

0:55:180:55:23

of European nuclear as we know it

because if Georgia were to come here

0:55:230:55:28

on Saturday and win, I think their

claim to join the Six Nations with

0:55:280:55:33

the irresistible. They have already

won the second tier level six times

0:55:330:55:38

out of seven so they are kind of

saying what more do we have to do to

0:55:380:55:42

get into this club?

Also they

comprehensively beat Canada this

0:55:420:55:47

weekend.

And it is a good trip for

everyone! Picking up on the point

0:55:470:55:54

about the tens, if we want this

access to work would it not be wise

0:55:540:56:06

to give them a run to get more

familiar with each other?

That would

0:56:060:56:11

be a reasonable thing to do but we

are trying to cram it all in against

0:56:110:56:17

the best team in the world who are

experts at exploiting weaknesses. I

0:56:170:56:21

would like to see us experiment a

little but we are where we are and I

0:56:210:56:28

would have no issue with playing

either guy at ten but we need to use

0:56:280:56:33

the bench. 15 minutes to go, we

should have emptied the bench.

But

0:56:330:56:38

it's an experience.

If you don't

trust them, don't put them on the

0:56:380:56:43

bench. If you genuinely trust your

players, you use them when you need

0:56:430:56:50

them and there was a sense of, I

don't want to use these guys until

0:56:500:56:57

the last minute.

Can we have some

quick predictions about who will

0:56:570:57:00

win?

Wales.

Wales.

I think it will

be tough, but Wales.

Wales.

0:57:000:57:13

Time is against us. It is time to

thank our panel. Will you please

0:57:200:57:25

give a round of applause. And of

course, Andy at the bar! And thanks

0:57:250:57:38

of course do you guys for watching,

to our lovely visitors in the club

0:57:380:57:43

this evening as well. We haven't got

the win against the Wallabies, it

0:57:430:57:48

has been nine long years, but as

discussed plenty of reasons to be

0:57:480:57:53

positive after that displays.

Georgia next, hopefully we will be

0:57:530:57:58

celebrating a win.

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