19/11/2017 Scrum V

It is a very young Welsh team facing

the Georgians.

It is a very young Welsh team facing

the Georgians. A opened his account.

Amos will score his second off the

game. -- Amos. Why would you do

that? I don't know what is

happening.

It depends how many front

row forwards are injured. There are

not enough fit props for a contested

scrums so there will be no pushing

at the scrum and still we cannot get

on with it.

There are going to go

for the line-out, well done Georgia.

This may take some on Raval name in

the aftermath. Wales have beaten

Georgia. All goodness?

the aftermath. Wales have beaten

Georgia. All goodness?

Welcome to

Scrum V. Wales got their first win

of this autumn series and it was

tight and it was hardly the

spectacle we hoped for.

Check out

our panel. Jonathan Davies! Gwyn

Jones! Justin Marshall!

And we have

got a fantastic studio audience who

give yourselves a round of applause.

As dapper as always, we have Mr and

Alice is!

Will be get our panel? --

Mr analysis.

APPLAUSE.

Welcome.

APPLAUSE.

Welcome.

We will speak to our panel shortly

but first let's remind

We will speak to our panel shortly

but first let's remind ourselves how

things unfolded yesterday afternoon.

Williams. Suddenly sees it is

forward. The number eight makes the

tackle. Wales have the penalty,

where but takes it. Rhys Webb at

full speed. The support from Watkin

and Hill. Just a little nudge

forwards. Eventually it ends up with

Scott Williams restored to the Welsh

midfield. Leon Brown did well to

sort out the problem. And then put

the foot to the floor, ad vantage

being played, penalty ad vantage.

--

advantage.

This would be a reward

for the early pressure from the

Welsh. Straight as a die, Wales take

the lead. Here comes Wales. Alex

Cuthberts.

I tell you what, that

will go to the TMO. There he goes.

He has wrapped the ball up and gone

underneath him. I think if he scored

there, he did exceptionally well.

No

try.

Up goes Hill. He will want the

ball at the back. Rhys Webb takes

over. Scott Williams, Priestland on

the loop. Amos opens the account for

Wales. As a try scorer.

Just watch

the right winger here, he does not

take his man, he leaves his man. You

have got to nail him. Priestland. He

got sucked in, there is the extra

man, easy for Amos.

Leon Brown.

Smith tries to hold up. Cross, long

ball, Watkin, Scott Williams, Amos

gallops to the line. He is going to

score his second of the game!

Leo Colgan has something to resolve.

The ball clearly goes forward. OK.

No try.

Amos is denied. Georgia, of

course, they need to thank their

lucky stars. They have gone from

facing a conversion to having this

attacking scrummage which becomes a

penalty.

They would take the points.

I think they would definitely take

the points here.

Self hypnosis going

on for Ashieshvili. Georgia are now

only 10-3. Georgia apply pressure

and here they get the penalty, they

only trail by seven points, there is

our way back into this game just by

doing it the hard way.

Matiashvili.

10-6. They go straight to the three

quarters, he is out of position.

Great tackle again.

Priestland.

Could not quite make the path work.

Flat ball. There is no one there.

High tackle on the scrum-half. Here

we go. Beard. Tom Francis, Dan

Biggar. Back we go to the penalty.

It is Priestland. 13-6. It is now a

ruck. This is not going anywhere.

Davies. Involved in the defence of

operation. Everybody is involved.

Georgia. Try and arrange their

forces. It is a penalty ad vantage.

Why would you do that? Why would you

do that? Advantage.

Yellow card for

the prop. Georgia will have another

chance.

Georgia opted for a scrum

from the resulting penalty and Wales

had to bring Leon Brown back on.

Following a discussion, it

transpired that Brown was endured

despite initially going off as a

tactical substitution. This meant

that any scrum would have to be

uncontested so Georgia change their

minds and chose to kick to the

corner.

Wales trying to keep the

ball above the ground.

This will

make the conversion easier, they

worked their way inside towards the

post and it kept on going.

After the

double figures, Nemsadze comes away

with that. The game is over and

Wales are safe. What a tussle it has

been. 13-6.

Wales are safe. What a tussle it has

been. 13-6.

Perhaps unsurprisingly

that last five minutes dominated the

charts. Was there skulduggery?

Accusations at -- of Wales at

manipulating the laws. Let us hear

what the coaches had to say.

Can you

clarify exactly what was happening

with the front row changes?

Lille

was taken off because he had cramp.

Nicky had his calf strapped up, so

we ended up putting Christian

background.

We were disappointed

with how it finished, we would have

liked to have had that scrum.

Were

you happy that the right procedures

were followed?

I am not sure. I have

asked word rugby to look at it.

Because I think both the property

were substituted work not injury

substitutes. It may be a bit of

gamesmanship, that happens, you want

to make sure it was in the spirit of

the game.

We were as confused as

anyone. The yellow cards that Leon

Cort, we said he was cramped up, his

cards are no good, it was one of the

reasons, he was a tactical change

but we knew he had cramp. Nicky had

a bag on his calf as well. It would

have been uncontested anyway with

him going back on.

Two props were

suffering from cramp at the same

time.

Are you going to take this any

further?

I am not interested in

taking it further. That is not what

I am about.

I can promise you, there

was nothing from our point of view

in terms of trying to manipulate the

laws or anything like that. If Leon

had been fit he would have returned

to the field.

If that had not

happened, did you fancy your chances

to have drawn again?

Yes. I mean, we

had reasonable dominance. Yes, we

would have backed ourselves,

definitely.

Interesting sequence

from the coaches. Milton Haig used

the word gamesmanship, is that fair?

I don't think so. It is impossible

to know what happened. I think you

take people at their word, if they

are injured, that is it. Even though

they went off for tactical reasons,

if you start calling people liars,

where does it end? You have to

accept it. One of the arguments

going forward, is that we should

reduce the number of substitutions

but that shows you cannot do it.

I

take them at their word. We have to

take Wales at their word but even if

Leon did not have cramp, were their

actions within the spirit of the

game but did they break any rules?

Not at all. Maybe it was not in the

spirit of the game, but what goes

around comes around and it was

France last year. It is one of those

things, you cannot accuse people of

not telling the truth.

Surely that

has never happened before!

Not in

their history! You cannot ask me

about this, while we are all

debating, the script says do not ask

the Marshall, I was at the bar, I

was bamboozled by it, but at times,

the rules are difficult to follow.

Really, it is great, the message

that came from Milton Haig, the fact

he is prepared to move on.

What is

criminal are the things you have on

your feet! You always have the most

interesting footwear.

I bought these

in Swansea.

I have never came across

shoes like that in Swansea!

LAUGHTER.

APPLAUSE. You may have bought them

in Swansea but I don't think you

could wear them their! There is a

procedure that is followed when

these things happen and Gareth has a

different role with Bristol and we

got his insight into what would have

happened on the touchline.

I am a

team manager at Bristol and I have a

bit more knowledge around the match

card and you do have to say whether

it is a tactical substitution or

because the player is injured. It

has to be in black and white. Alan

is experienced and has been great in

the job for a long time and I am

sure it will stack up but if it does

not, I'm sure there will be

problems.

Basically, we have a

situation where what happens when a

substitution is made, the manager

will mark a card as to whether it is

a tactical or injury replacement and

then give that card to the officials

and we heard Warren Gatland say that

they were taken off as tactical

substitutions. Therefore, the fact

that they were injured later means

it it is totally within the laws.

Nicky Smith is irrelevant, he is a

loosehead, he cannot scrum at tight

head, even if he had returned, it

would have been an uncontested

scrum. Warren Gatland said that Leon

Brown had cramp on the pitch even

know that was not why he was taken

off. He obviously did cramp up

afterwards, we cannot doubt that. It

is not in the spirit of the game to

take an injured player back on.

Player welfare is paramount. The

worst thing was the confusion in the

stadium, no one knew what was

happening.

That needs to be

clarified more. There was a time

when the referee was saying you had

to go down to 13 men and that is the

case if two props had gone off

injured. That was not the case.

I

think everyone was waiting for the

game to start.

You were shaking your

head, why?

No, I wasn't! You said a

manager, the fourth official...

Again, if he had an injury, when he

was taken off, if he walks to the

stand and breaks his ankle on the

walk back, that is the thing, you

cannot go on. You have to take him

at his word. Then move on.

Are you

allowed to change your mind?

Apparently you can. George Earle

wanted contested scrums and then

becomes uncontested and

circumstances have changed.

You said

that the finer points of the law are

not your strong suit, but after the

France game, you accused the French

of cheating for doing something

similar, is there an element of

hypocrisy?

I think gamesmanship is a

strong word, whether you have played

the game or if you supported, you

have to keep yourself within the

laws of the game and make sure you

are honest. I think Wales have been

honest and at the end of the day

logic says if at prop is cramping,

you do not want your proper they are

trying to absorb that power. If he

is cramping in the legs. You're

going to concede a try, logically

you cannot put a player on their

when he

is not at full fitness.

I think they

were within their rights to do what

they did and I do not have any

ambiguity about the fact that he was

struggling with an injury.

I am glad

that did happen, because we would

have nothing else to talk about!

APPLAUSE.

On that note we will go to

Sean who has been analysing the

game.

It was not pretty to watch and

not a lot for Warren Gatland to take

but Wales did start well. We saw

them attack from all quarters and

they had a few chances in the first

them attack from all quarters and

they had a few chances in the first

half and we saw evidence of that

second receiver. Scott Williams

coming from the 13 channel creative

space on the outside as a second

ballplayer for Priestland and Amos

to get a fine first-half try. The

forwards were handling the ball

more, Hill had a good game, passing

up the back but Wales were very

lateral, Cross easily

defended. We saw a few missed passes

and that is easy to defend when

trying to get to the wingmen that

quickly, the All Blacks would be all

over that. There is perceived space

on the outside, but the lateral

nature of Scott Williams, means that

Georgia are able to get across and

me know that the All Blacks are the

best defenders in world rugby. The

writ huge positives for Wales in the

defensive department. They rushed

out from the third and fourth

defenders and swallowed up the

forwards that Georgia had. Look at

the third man out, spooking the

Georgians back in where they are

easily met. When you do that it

brings the likes of Lydiate into the

game. Man of the match for the Wales

captain on the day. There were scrum

issues for Leon Brown and the

referee gave penalties and Tomas

Francis when he came on also had

problems. This manifested itself in

the fiasco at the end of the game.

This at the end of the first half.

It is not that decision, that should

be applauded, it is the execution.

They are going to need to be

clinical against the All Blacks.

Just before this kick, Wales had

lost another one and a prime

position and from here a great

attacking position you would expect

Wales to have a lot of detail in the

attack. Who is going to clear this

out? Just Davis and Dee to lose the

ball to a penalty. New Zealand will

be all over

this and there is plenty of work for

Warren Gatland to do next week.

Let

us hear from some of the well-known

faces, here are the experts. It was

a decent game, workmanlike, what

pleased me was the resilience at the

end, the defence at the end and that

scrum on the 73rd minute. You gain

experience by putting yourself in

that situation and that character

building will be invaluable.

Disappointed with the performance

especially in the second half, the

first 20 minutes went to plan. Quick

line-outs and quick penalties and

move the ball around really well.

After all the hype, I expected

Georgia to come out with all guns

blazing and get stuck into us up

front but it did not happen. I think

the pace that we played out, meant

that they could not get into the

game.

There were signs of real

ambition today, but as we got

dragged into that arm wrestle as we

knew we would with Georgia, we did

not quite have that change of

tactics that hopefully will continue

to evolve.

I think if we had a full

strength side out playing for the

whole 80 minutes, we could have

given them a bit of a tuning but as

it turned out, we took our foot from

the gas in the second half.

Although

we want to play in this experimental

style against a team like New

Zealand, we need to do whatever we

do best, if that means being more

direct which could have benefited us

at times and then look for the space

after, then we need to do that,

because the All Blacks would live

off the mistakes we made today.

I do

not think they will make many

changes, I think Dan Biggar still

has that Number 10 shirt, but I

don't think they will be too worried

about bringing on Rhys Priestland. I

thought that he played well, he

mixed his game up nicely. He saw the

space, but he would be the same as

everyone else, disappointed that

they probably did not contribute

more.

It is such an experimental

they probably did not contribute

more.

It is such an experimental

team, not many of the guys will be

able to push themselves forward and

I think the way the game descended,

we did not see anyone do enough to

really put their hand up for the

number one game in world rugby.

I

spoke to Warren Gatland before the

game and he admitted it was a risk

to make those changes. Ultimately,

they won the game and it was not

much of a spectacle but does that

mean it was a worthwhile experiment?

I think giving players game times is

worthwhile.

The fallout has been the

biggest problem. It has created what

we are doing now, debate and

obviously a little bit of ill

feeling to the way that their game

played. When you make that many

changes, you will have a bit of time

to find your rhythm. Tomorrow when

they debrief the team... If we'll

always have been in Italy game, they

can be slightly negative and you

cannot get your rhythm but the worst

thing you could do is get hung up on

a performance. But a win is a win.

Players will be enthused and their

confidence will not be sky high and

that is a good thing.

It has

probably served its purpose, if we

are not going to bring these in now,

maybe what we found out is that our

strength and depth is not as good as

we thought and hoped it was.

We were

very critical of them not playing

certain players against Japan last

year. That game was close. We cannot

fault them for doing that. Looking

at the performance, you can see that

rustiness there, we were good from

the first phase in particular, the

move was already planned, the angles

were ready but in the first half

when we executed some of those set

piece moves, we looked good but as

soon as we went into the next phase,

we became a flat line across the

pitch and just slammed it up again

and looked... And then we became

electable. There were long periods,

have the ball in the first half we

did not even make an impact. We lost

all our decoy runners and that new

style we saw disappeared. That is

what you can expect when you pick a

team like that.

I think you can

fault them, they will go win against

New Zealand with the backline who

have not played together. I am all

for changes but I think there was

too many. Some of those players

might have learned a lesson but

their confidence will take a hit and

when will they next get a chance...

It will probably be the one who

faced Australia.

I would not have

made all of those changes, I would

have tinkered and kept the key

players out with a little bit of

continuity to play the new style. It

was our second team. Our first team

would have put more away for

Georgia. The backs were dreadful. If

we would have taken all the backs

of, they still would have scored. We

saw Italy, they have tried to evolve

their game because they were very

forward dominant, but the

disappointment for me is the fact

that we tried to play in this new

style and as Sean showed in his

analysis, we were lateral, we did

not engage any defenders when we

were going wide, did not have enough

dummy and when the game, they were

not spreading out and we were

lateral, then you have got to look

and carry. The other side is carried

the ball, because they know

defenders are not committing the

rocks and you have to carry. It is

like a game of touch rugby. There

was defending, either with the

second row or a forward, inside the

winger. As a player you have to say,

that is the bloke we have to target,

run straight at him, you can score

tries. It was disappointing for me

because we knew their strengths, and

we realised how bad they were

defensively and we scored that one

try, the winger was like Forrest

Gump, he had no idea where he was!

You have got to target their

weaknesses and if it does not work

out, you have to change it and

expose them again.

Given your

glowing praise of Georgia Jabbour

backline their...

APPLAUSE. The perceived wisdom is

that this strength -- strengthened

their claim to join the Six Nations

but from what Jonathan said, it has

weakened their claims because they

did not perform on the biggest stage

pinch-macro I do not think it has

weakened their claims, compared to

the performance against Scotland

last year.

It is not a simple

question. I do not think they should

expand it to seven, there is too

much international rugby. They were

not even champions of that

second-tier competition and they

would not be the ones coming in.

There needs to be a relegation

promotion system but that will take

years. Probably another 20 years.

They were OK in the second half,

their defence was good. And the

scrum was good throughout. I'm

trying to be positive.

In the first

20 minutes they tried to play some

rugby. They tried to recycle the

ball in their own 22 and tried to

keep the ball in play. I thought

what are they doing? You want scrums

and line-outs. They took a tap

penalty instead of having a scrum.

Then they went back to what you

expected. It is a very negative and

slow way of playing. Difficult to

play against and what was

disappointing was we could not get

out of that system when they had us

by the throat for most of the second

half and it descended into 40 but as

of the most boring rugby you can

remember.

Was that lack of

experience? The team with so few

caps found themselves in a situation

where they were dragged into a

dogfight they did not want to be

involved in and they did not have

the experience to change things on

the pitch?

I concur with what

Jeffrey said. Sometimes when you are

trying to impress and trying to get

into the game, you make it harder if

you do not work as a team and you do

not figure it out. It is one of

those ones when you do get into an

arm wrestle, it can descend into a

real fight and a real battle and

that is what happened. They will

learn from not figuring it out, they

will learn, because they will be

told some of the things they should

have been doing, they were not, but

they stayed in the fight and that is

a positive.

Look at these scenes,

they were delighted. The fact that

they came within seven, even though

was not a hugely entertaining game,

they thought, you can see from the

celebrations, they have proved a

point.

It was by no means a

one-sided game. They are very proud

of their performance and they came

within a whisker of a draw, perhaps.

I think the players who probably did

themselves justice, Rhys Webb looked

sharp, you have to consider him for

the game next week and I thought

Leon Brown showed some nice touches.

He tackled heroically like always

does. What does he contribute in

attack, that is difficult to see

where he fits into a new style of

play.

New Zealand are coming to town next

Saturday. The world champions on

their way. Yesterday they warmed up

by facing the Scots in Edinburgh.

It was an emotionally charged

Murrayfield. Dodgy wheel was there,

who is currently suffering

He received a massive reception.

Scotland are still a man down.

Scotland are still a man down. Can

the All Blacks punished? Taylor in

four the try. They knew there was a

man advantage.

Scotland in all sorts of trouble.

Free attack for the All Blacks. They

are still walking towards the line.

Movement in the back. Still with an

advantage. Williams... McKenzie!

Great try for the All Blacks. They

are going to take it quickly, 15

against 14 now. George Turner, high

tackle, and not an advantage. George

Turner, so close to the ground, high

tackle on him. Price... Still with a

penalty advantage. Jonny Gray tries

to stretch and he scores for

Scotland. They have a try. They have

the man advantage. They still have

hope it might be done.

Five minutes remaining of the

Sinden. Sonny Bill Williams... What

a wonderful try! -- five minutes or

so remaining of the sinbinning.

Scotland still need to navigate the

whole of the All Blacks' half.

A little chip for see more... Gives

the past... Jones goes for the try.

What a try for Scotland! Is there

still life in Scotland here at

Murrayfield?

Getting closer, but still so

far-away. Stuart Hogg is through.

Stuart Hogg for the corner. He

cannot quite get there. The ball

infield and it has gone forward now.

WHISTLE

That might be it. The whistle blows.

The cruellest sound for Scotland

here at Murrayfield. What an effort.

Looking forward to looking horns

with Warren Gatland next weekend?

Looking forward to looking horns

with Warren Gatland next weekend?

We

are playing Wales, not Warren

Gatland, but I am looking forward to

playing Wales, not Warren Gatland.

Well done for today.

Thanks.

The battle has already begun ahead

of next week. You were there

yesterday. We could see how gutted

Stuart Hogg and the entire Scottish

nation was he wasn't able to keep

hold of the ball at the end. How

worried were you?

Worried. Because

the All Blacks were struggling to

find the right rhythm at the right

stage of the game. Scotland, once

the crowd got behind them, and

Stuart Hogg injected himself back

into the game, he went missing for

about 15 minutes in the second half

when they could not get the ball.

But when he got the ball he was

causing the All Blacks all sorts of

problems in the outside channel. We

were just saying, I don't think he

was going to outguess Bohdan

Barrett. Great cover defence from

Barrett. That is causing some

anxiety, no doubt. But cracking game

of rugby. Fair play to Scotland.

They fronted and produced a

performance to be proud of. But they

will be gutted. They will go to

review that game with about 65% of

the ball over 60% possession. They

made the All Blacks make over 2.5

more tackles than double that they

still cannot win the game.

You are

waxing lyrical about Stuart Hogg.

Given the struggles he had in the

summer he made a fantastic comeback,

didn't he?

He got injured in the

Lions. I think he has lost a bit of

weight. You can see it in his pace.

Not only the pace, it's the vision.

Just make the extra yards. Makes it

easy for the forwards. He is a very

good player. It is a good tackle by

McKenzie. I enjoyed the battle

between the two fallbacks. He burst

in, McKenzie, but he isn't going to

out run Bohdan Barrett. --

full-backs. Scotland competed at the

rocks. -- Scotland competed at the

rucks. They've had a long season,

Scotland. It was tough with the

Lions. You just feel...

Here we

go...

LAUGHTER

I just think, I think we said,

Romano is injured. Are you

great result for Wales.

Going into

this autumn series, Scotland have a

long injury list. They are missing a

lot of experience. That makes this

performance even more significant

for them, doesn't it?

And they lost

players as the game went on

yesterday. What was striking was

they took the All Blacks on in a

game of open rugby. They said we are

going to score tries against you. We

will run from our own half. All of

the things they've been doing with

Glasgow, on the back line, Gregor

Townsend, it was great to watch, we

should be doing this, they thought.

Shall we hear from Sean Holley? What

can we take from that Scottish

performance and what did you make of

it?

A contrasting couple of games.

Scotland threw everything at the All

Blacks. But they just don't know how

to lose.

Blacks. But they just don't know how

to lose. Scotland were looking for

weak shoulders in New Zealand. It

gets them the gain line and over. It

shows the benefit of an attacking

full-back. He was dangerous all day.

They dealt with the fret over the

ball. Look at Ferguson tackling

Whitelock off the ball. It was a

tactic. They got penalised if you

times. They dealt with that threat.

Kane and company are serious threat

over the ball for Wales next week.

Warning, don't underestimate an All

Blacks scrum. They are dangerous.

Particularly at the power play when

they are close to the line, or as we

saw at the end of the game, they can

shut the game down for a win. Wales,

be aware in this department. It is

all about the attacks in midfield.

Wales could be vulnerable here. Bit

of a stroke of luck, his shoulder

injury keeps him up, and Sonny Bill

Williams back to his best. Look at

the relationship between Sonny Bill

Williams and McKenzie. The pass to

Barrett, game over. When you have a

centre who can do this close to the

line, Wales don't have a scrum-half

who sweeps the back, McKenzie

reading the body language again,

through to score. We will have our

reading the body language again,

through to score. We will have our

hands full. There is this perception

that New Zealand go around teams and

win games, but they'd like to go

through them, as well, don't they?

They certainly do. Well analysed.

They are not getting their balance

right. I don't want to give much

away, considering where I am,

tactically... But what they really

struggled with in the Lions series

was the rush defence. Particularly

on the inside. That's coming out

quick. And on the outside, it is

cutting off the feasible wide

option. In that game they persisted

all night in trying to go through

Scotland. 12, 13, ten channel. They

did not deviate from it. They didn't

hit the outside channels at all.

There is pace and power out there.

But the turnovers came from second

phase play or when it was kicked

directly. We need to get the balance

right. Otherwise we are predictable.

Wales will have looked at that.

Hopefully they have some innovation

that they can still back themselves

to get outside a rush defence

because we know, well, I know, Wales

will bring that type of defence to

the All Blacks. They will see it and

target it to shut it down.

To beat

the All Blacks you have to out score

them. If we look at Australia, they

outscored you, so did the Lions in

the summer, as did Ireland. At the

start of this new wave we are

playing...

And in the first half, as

well.

We might have. Are we too

early in the journey?

That's what I

thought it was a mistake to make so

many changes ahead of the game with

Georgia. If New Zealand are

attacking through the middle, Davies

is out, so you will have a midfield

who has never played together

before. Maybe Williams at 13, who is

usually a 12? We will see what

Warren does. They need to come out

fast. Attack and defence. And shut

them down in the breakdown like

Scotland were doing. If you deny the

All Blacks quick ball, they cannot

get their back developed.

Of all the

players for you to have injured,

Jonathan Davies is the worst.

Yes.

He would be very close to one of the

best players on the planet at the

moment. The way he played in the

Lions series and subsequently. Such

a dangerous threat.

But he is not on

the list.

Do not get me started on

the women's list.

CHUCKLES

You missing Jonathan Davies is a

body blow, big-time, because he is

just quality.

We thought we had got

over that, but thanks for that.

Because he is so good.

In terms of

what Sean said about neutralising

the threat. They struggled in terms

of what they get away with with the

referees. Scotland had a good job of

smashing them off the rucks and

going in for the tackle.

The All

Blacks... All equivalent of number

ten, all good at pitching the ball.

They all go back and forth

seamlessly into the positions. That

is what allows them to play with the

pace and freedom they do. I think

the All Blacks, just over the last

12 months, they've lost three

matches in the last 12 months. They

have got one draw. South Africa came

within a point. Scotland had a pass

to win it. They are not the fearsome

team of old... Look, still a

fantastic rugby team who play

wonderful rugby, they would be one

of the best on the planet, but they

are not the All Blacks who

dismantled teams by 30 points and

walk through it any more. They are

having to work at it. They will

crack at one point. Whether we can

put enough pressure to crack them, I

don't know.

Four of their first

choice are out back in New Zealand.

I think they've picked more players

this season. You probably know

better than me. 60 more than last

year. They've not have the same

starting line-up since the World Cup

final.

There was a time when they

could put two out and could beat

anybody. But they are not there any

more.

We always talk about a wounded

animal, don't we, if a team has

lost, or a team isn't close, last

year when Ireland beat them, they

came back to Dublin and we were

actually expecting the All Blacks to

come out and have a massive

performance. But Ireland could have

beaten them. But what they did was

up the physicality level.

That is

what the best sides do. They would

have been too happy with that

performance. Irrespective of who

they have got, they are still the

best in the world. They will raise

their game. If you look at the

Bowden Barrett tried. 14 men on the

field. They know straightaway, hang

on, we will not put this wide, Horne

jumped out to the line. Sonny Bill

Williams notices it. The angle at

which McKenzie hit that ball, it was

fantastic. That is what they do. If

they get a sniff, the support lines,

back and forward, they are

brilliant, they run close, they run

wide. If we do a line break,

something we don't score tries off,

when they cut the line break they

score. Next week, no matter what,

we've got to create things, score,

finish those moves off, otherwise we

will not win.

Let's introduce you to

a guy who became a bit of a cult

hero in New Zealand over the summer.

Stuart Broad won a competition for

an all expenses paid trip down under

for a trip of a lifetime. I just

want to remind you, if you haven't

already seen it, what he had to go

through to win that competition.

Welshman Stuart broad beat other

hopeful fans with a re-enactment of

the Everest speech.

Do you reckon

you could get in that shirt?

Probably.

Go on, have a go.

Over

your shirt would have been fine.

CHUCKLES

This is the last thing.

We want you

to do your Jim Telfer Everest

speech.

Here it is. 80 minutes

between now and history. We go out

there. We faced down that hacker. We

take this series. No ifs, no buts,

this is it, boys, 80 minutes, 80

minutes to be the best ever, to go

down in history, come on, come on,

the Lions, yes!

I like it. Very

nice. We will call you in the next

ten minutes.

Lovely, brilliant.

Thank you.

Cheers.

LAUGHTER

He's won.

CHUCKLES

That was amazing. It never grows

old. The man himself, Stuart Broad.

Thanks very much.

And his

long-suffering wife who will be

joining him on tour, as well.

Welcome. They stitched you up a

little bit. They knew you had won

the competition before you had to go

through that, but worth it in the

end?

Very. As a Welshman, it was a

holiday of a lifetime. Forrest Gump,

by the way, does not play for

Georgia, he plays for Aberavon

Quins.

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What we did not see in that clip,

after it was revealed that Stewart

had won, he rang you for an

emotional phone call to tell you

that you had won. How did it go?

I

was in shock. I could not believe

it. I still can't believe we went to

New Zealand to see the Lions play.

My dad has not forgiven me because I

did not take him. I don't think he

will ever forgive me.

No.

One thing

you did witness is watching New

Zealand lose on home soil. Justin

Marshall is probably better about

that still. But it shows they can be

beaten. Do you think Wales have a

chance of doing it next week?

We

were there in Wellington. Sonny Bill

Williams did us a favour. We went

there and we did it. We beat them.

Let's dare to dream. We can do it.

Do you fancy the win?

Definitely.

Optimism from these guys. We may be

coming back to you for a special...

Oh, thank you very much, I will wear

this for the end link.

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Someone needs to give Stuart his own

television programme. Only a matter

of time. With New Zealand coming to

Wales this weekend we thought we

would celebrate by showing you this,

when Gareth Edwards met Darren

Carter.

Carter with the handoff, Carter to

the line.

You brought so much pleasure when

you played. We are fortunate to have

witnessed it.

You are a generous

bunch, the Welsh.

Have you actually

beaten Wales? He never did, you only

scored more points than us.

Seriously, it's probably my

favourite stadium in the world.

Wales is always a special place to

tour. I have been fortunate to have

some of my better games against

Wales. Some great memories. The All

Blacks have got a surprisingly young

squad, which will be good. They are

preparing for 2019. But it gives

that extra edge after what happened

in New Zealand, even though it isn't

the British and Irish Lions, but

there is a lot of Welsh players,

Warren Gatland...

There was a bit of

a dental there.

Yes. I think that

will add an extra dynamic to this

Test match. I'm confident the All

Blacks will get up for this game.

It's going to be a classic Test

match.

You have been the major force

in that position for the last 20

years, it seems. And it's been a

pleasure watching you play. If my

children heard me say anything other

than of course I would love -- I

would have loved to have played with

Dan, they would be shocked.

I would

have liked it, as well. I'm not sure

who would have been calling the

moves, would it have been me, you?

Probably me.

CHUCKLES

Thank you for your time.

He can catch that again as part of a

fantastic documentary coming this

weekend as Gareth Edwards celebrates

his 70th birthday. Make sure you can

catch that if you can. You look

nice.

It does not really go with my

collar.

Let's look ahead to next weekend.

The changes, I guess, let's start,

wholesale changes?

Back to the side

who started against Australia,

largely. I wonder whether they will

put Liam at full-back. The problem

is who will play 13. That is a big

question to answer. And what balance

they get. I imagine they will go

with Liam Williams and Scott

Williams who has played well for

Wales in the centre in the past but

not at his best at the moment.

Liam

Williams limped off a little bit at

the weekend. But word is that he is

optimistic and he should be ready

for selection. You've talked about

how he is a better full-back than he

is winger. And he saw a lot more of

the ball playing at 15 yesterday.

I

won't change my decision. I think he

offers more in attack. I don't think

they will make many changes. I would

like to see Priestland get an

opportunity with a full set of

forwards.

You would start Rhys

Priestland?

I'm not sure. But I

think he is a bit more creative. At

some point in the game they might

have to bring him on. But I think it

will be Biggar and Webb.

He has

probably been the form ten of the

Premiership. He's come into his own

since moving out of Wales. Recent

has always been a confidence player,

maybe not having the pressure of

being in the Welsh public eye every

week has helped him grow. -- Rhys

Priestland has always been. That's

probably when Wales play their best,

creative rugby.

On the Liam Williams

thing. He was full-back for the

Lions in the summer, is he the kind

of player New Zealand fear?

They don't often see a player, but

they respect a player. What Liam

Williams achieved on that Paul is a

threat. I believe it is his best

position. -- achieved on that tour.

As a Kiwi fan would you prefer to

see him on the wing, because he is

less involved?

Absolutely. He was

dangerous off counter attack. He had

many opportunities. He likes time on

the ball. He has a really good

lateral run on him. He brings

players towards him. Good

acceleration. He seems to find the

gap. On the wing you are relying on

the inside players to put you in

those holes, rather than being

creative, so it is a better position

for him. I will be disappointed to

see him on the wing, in a nutshell.

CHUCKLES

No matter who you play at full-back,

unless you hold the defenders they

are going to drift. As Georgia's

did. Either they work out, or fixed

defenders, straightened their

shoulders, then release it. It'll be

difficult whoever plays at

full-back. They've got to engage

defenders first. The forwards have

got engaged before the first

defenders anyway.

You talked about

the Lydiate thing. Justin will be

available for selection. You think

it will be shingler and Faletau,

would you be looking to tinker with

that?

I think if Justin is fit and

trained well, I think he just comes

into the side. He is a quality

player. He is a British Lions

player. He is a more suited seven to

the one that we want to play. He did

well against Australia. He slowed

them down a bit. That is something

to ... Justin will have to

concentrate on that.

What will the

message be leading into this week in

terms of the New Zealand camp,

coming into this Welsh game, have

you spoken to anybody? They will be

disappointed they have not been able

to consistently put some time on the

park.

They are gleeful when they do. When

they switched on, two tries on

Scotland within seven to eight

minutes. One with 14 men. They can

do that to you. They can hurt you.

But then they drift out of the game.

They are seeking that all the time.

It wasn't there against the Lions.

They were outstanding against South

Africa in New Zealand. Then they

switched off for the last part of

the game. They are capable of it.

Someone will feel the brunt of it.

They only have one game left to try

and get it for this season. They

have to figure out their balance, to

get their game plan and synergy to

get that consistency. They have

challenges. They are going to have

to bring a relatively new winger in.

It could be Duffy. And also they

have lost Romano. But I think they

will keep the centre is the same.

You were there for the Lions tour,

will keep the centre is the same.

You were there for the Lions tour,,

and you witnessed the rallies

between Hudson and Gatland.

I get

bored of it. A lot of it is

detracting attention. People stop

talking about the issues both teams

have been having on the pitch if

people talk about that. Sorry, I am

bored of it.

Are you bored of it?

They've tried to present themselves

as best they can out of the

argument. I don't like it with the

New Zealand media dressing them up

as clowns. I think it is too

provocative and they don't need to

do that. New Zealand are a proud

rugby nation so I don't know what

they are getting involved in the

gutter like that.

You can be an

absolute nightmare about it.

CHUCKLES

Identikit will happen. I think

they've had enough of each other. --

I do not think it will happen. All

of the action should be on the

field. I just hope it is a great

Test match. We bring our a game.

They are slightly off it. Hopefully

it will be a good game of rugby. I

enjoy the way New Zealand play. We

try to aspire. They are collectively

great players. They make the

decisions, they run good angles, so

we have to go there and enjoy it,

because it can be a pleasure to

watch them play.

Is it too late for

Wales to adjust... If you look at

the way Scotland played, the

transition runners, players running

flat to the line, others at the

back...

We are running out of time,

yes or no?

I will tell you next

week.

Thank you very much for your

time. Jonathan Davies, everyone.

Gwyn Jones. Sarah Mockford and. And

Justin Marshall.

Thank you to all of our guests this

evening. The soap opera is going to

continue between Hanson and Gatland.

Hopefully we will be celebrating a

famous victory. Same time next week.

The last word tonight is from Wales'

ultimate fan.

Do we dare to dream?

Surely to aspire to be greater is

part of the very fabric that makes

us human. As a lad I dreamt I would

walk out on the Arms Park and play

for Wales. With countless boys and

girls, the length and breadth of our

country, from Port Talbot to

Porthmadog, we share that one dream.

Gentlemen, when you step out next

Saturday to face the All Blacks at

the Cathedral of rugby, when you

step out on that hallowed turf, you

are living our dream. Now, let's

make that dream a reality.

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