05/02/2017 Scrum V


05/02/2017

Ross Harries and Catrin Heledd are joined by Ian Gough, Sean Holley, Jeremy Guscott and journalist Stephen Jones to analyse Wales v Italy in the first weekend of the Six Nations.


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The Welsh, widely written off for this Championship, a fast start here

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at Rome, and then momentum will build.

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Looking to work at around the fringes, and over they tell! Wales

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are stunned! Jonathan Davies. It has taken some time to come. Jonathan

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Davies again, and he was Williams. North heads for the posts. There

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will be no bonus point for Wales. They had to scrap and scrape for it,

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but they have got the win. APPLAUSE

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Believe me, welcome to Scrum V. We toiled in the first half but got

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there in the end. 13 unanswered points in the second at means Wales

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are top of the table after Round 1 of the Six Nations. Here to the

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bones of the victory in Rome, please welcome Ian Gough. Jeremy Guscott.

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Rugby writer Stephen Jones. And of course our regular Sean Holley. And

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a very warm welcome again this evening to me you go presenter

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Katrin. Thank you, and a warm welcome to our studio audience this

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evening. An excitable and rowdy bunch. Let's hear it please...

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CHEERING They are excited, and it even just

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up the road. CHEERING

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And they got after winning start in Milan on Friday, but can they keep

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their hands on the trophy? That is the big question. It is the under

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20s. CHEERING

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It is lively here for Sunday! The ultimate game of two halves, I guess

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you could call that. Now the dust has settled, what's your assessment?

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The first 20 minutes I thought, positive start, didn't seem to get

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anywhere. In that middle third would have been worried, but how they

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finished the game, that confidence, getting those tries on the board.

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They will be gutted they didn't get the bonus point in the end. But they

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will be happy with that. Jeremy, just like yesterday with England, so

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much to work on actually, but both coaches looking ahead to next week

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have something to work on. You are hoping they have a lot of work on,

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that's what you would need. I guess to win ugly takes a little bit of

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edge of the victory, but they will be first of all happy they did get

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the win, and pleased that they have so much to work on. 15 in a row,

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confidence is still high. The positives are that they created

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enough, just didn't allow to get across the line. Next Saturday year

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will be much different. It has been an intriguing opening weekend. The

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near upset at Twickenham, and that epic encounter at Murrayfield, the

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game of the weekend, no shadow of the doubt, the tournament is wide

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open. Yes, after yesterday for all four of the teams yesterday could

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still content for the title. It was a fantastic opening day. What

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worries me is that I don't think Wales were anything like the level

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of the four teams yesterday. They will be delighted to win and finish,

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but I don't think they haven't off a lot to find before they play

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England. Sean, finishing well, as you mention, but how annoyed will be

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be when they wake up not to have got that bonus point? I think you be

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pleased tonight. It will be a sticky start potentially, Ireland under a

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new resume, the finished strongly with that too many injuries, but I

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agree, they will probably recover the morning and think, had we gone

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for it a bit more we could have got a bonus point. It will be a lot

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tougher next week. It will indeed. We will discuss all this and more in

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the next few minutes. But let's look back. A few hours ago, let's see

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exactly how Wales got the Italian job done in Rome a few hours ago.

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Again it is Alun Wyn Jones. Samson Lee, moving forward. A couple more

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earnest surges well see them there. Get it away, and that is loose. And

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Halfpenny thinks he might have snaffled it. He has overrun the

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ball. No, he's got it. The noise building inside the Stadio Olimpico.

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Italy are reassembling. Having set up all, looking work it. Around the

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fringes and over they tell! Have they got it down? The referee says

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yes. Wales are stunned. Wales are earnest and pressing, and

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win the penalty. A vital score, you feel. Owens again. You've got to get

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outside Venditti, under the posts. That is where the movement is. Two

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passes, there you go. They go wide, Jonathan Davies... In the end it was

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easy! Good line speed. Really good

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pressure from the Italians. Looks to go wide to Davies, Williams. And

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here is Lee Williams. Try, too. Can't find the space. It falls by

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Venditti. That is a decent tidy job by Sam Davies who has just waited

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long enough, George North sets off. In pain or not, he has got the

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beating of Luke McLean. North heads for the posts, and Wales have their

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third. Lovely little kick through. Gareth

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Davies is after it. This is like England in the World Cup all over

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again. Gathered in eventually by Campagnaro of Italy, and maybe that

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is the bonus point opportunity gone. Or not... The Italians are playing

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with fire. The ball has been stolen, and Liam Williams will claim it. No,

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he is short. He's not going to get it from there, easy? Easy? No.

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REFEREE: Game over. There will be no bonus point for Wales, but they have

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the win. As expected, very tough 60 minutes. Scored a couple of tries.

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But they will have to pick their game up next week. STUDIO: Just

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missing out on that precious four try bonus point. Confirmation them,

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Wales are top of the pile after Round 1 of the Six Nations. That is

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how they did the business on the pitch. This is what they had to stay

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fit. We know how tough it is to come to Italy. Coached by three fantastic

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cultures, and we knew how difficult it was, and in terms of the

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conditions, made it even more tough. I have to praise our guys because I

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thought our discipline was absolutely fantastic. To go through

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a game in terms of discipline and number of penalties, it is about

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trusting your systems, trusting your mates, and we didn't give away any

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easy penalties, which enabled them to get field position, particularly

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in the first half, which was key in those conditions. We were pretty

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level-headed and half-time. Even though we were under pressure. Like

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I say, from our own doing, but also from a committed Italian side. When

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we came out it was a case of getting the ball down the park and shutting

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it down to a degree, because we knew we would get opportunities. What you

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make of Sam Davies in the second half? I thought he played

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particularly well when he came on. He can do what we thought he could

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do. He has come on in a difficult game, created opportunities for

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others, created space, showed composure. And we are fortunate on

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with Owen Williams to have three 10s in training we see each other under

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pressure. But Sam Warburton was outstanding today. His pressure on

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the ball, and having to 7s, the ability on the park to make

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decisions when we have not got the ball, certainly benefited us

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throughout the first half in particular when obviously Italy had

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possession in our white zone, are 22. We have some key turnovers, and

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I'm delighted with the back row balance and also in terms of their

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discipline. Because ultimately discipline in international rugby is

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what wins you games. There we are. Rob Howley sounding pretty positive

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there. Stephen, you are a journalist, tell us, tomorrow

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morning, what would be your headline on that game? Just so much work to

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do. You have to be done off the mark, you have to judge yourself by

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the standard of the others. And I was rude is appointed with some of

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the things the Welsh did. It is nice to have two 7s, I think it is better

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to have one you merit seven and one 6. If you look in the modern-day,

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forwards, the likes of Vunipola come they are absolutely always in the

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game. They are tackling and carrying. We did not see the Welsh

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front row, especially the starting front row, taking any part in the

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game. Things have changed now, you want to see more from them. I think

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they have to improve massively on that otherwise England will put them

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away. You mentioned this at the top, but in terms of working out tomorrow

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morning and assessing it in the cold light of day, to what extent does

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the second half but town for the lacklustre first half? It on the

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scoreboard, isn't it? These boys will tell you that international

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rugby is about winning and they have done that. We'll have felt pressure

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off the back of the autumn, with some injuries. Difficult conditions.

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I think we would have been nervous about the game, if I'm honest. So

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they are pleased with themselves, it is a good win in the end. It is a

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Six Nations win, they are often running, and they have some

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confidence in there. If Dan Biggar is injured... There are questions to

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ask. But they had the job to do and they did it. You're going to be a

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bit rusty. Scotland are the only team I think that went off the

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blocks like they were hungry and wanted to prove everybody wrong but

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they are good side. I think what was confident and positive from Wales,

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when you have a sin-bin, you have to take advantage. Wales scored two

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good tries. Yes, it was against 14, but that is what you are presented

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with. Italy were always good to come out of the blocks. The always win

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the first few games when they win. You have been in this position

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before. Is that how the players will be, positive with that win? Yes,

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sure. But we lost, are getting also to gestures at our fans. But yes,

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they will be ecstatic to get that win. They finished the game was such

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confidence. If you finish the game on a bad wicket, if you want, you

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take that into Virginia runs, but the finish strong and took their

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chances. Very clinical to get those tries. And they can pick the bones

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about where they went wrong early in the game and leap forward to next

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week. Someone else who was superb, someone or you are a fan of, his

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introduction was fortuitous, Sam Davies, and he was the catalyst for

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everything that Wales did well, he had a hand in all three tries. His

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natural instinct is to go for the line, go for the gap or make a

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little pass. His vision is wide. An all-encompassing. The difficulty is

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he's not playing alongside the guys we can, week out. If it was a

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clubmate fear they would be more in June with him. But I thought the

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combination of Davis, Williams, Davis, and the beginnings of

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something that could be quite special. Dan Biggar for me is a

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quality player, but if you want to play to the line and test a defence,

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then Sam's instinct is the way you would go. Maybe even think in the

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future of the Davies, Biggar. If that is what you want to do, play a

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bit wider. I'm sure we'll does just that later on. Indeed. Just

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wondering, we spoke so much during the autumn internationals about

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changing the style, and needed to be some soul-searching. , have you seen

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any signs are that this afternoon? I think first half was all rubbish.

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When you start talking about changing style, it is very difficult

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thing to do, because the opposition or the weather or the conditions

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might not allow you to play in that style. You need to be flexible,

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which is what Eddie Jones is trying to do. To play in any style you can.

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But the Warren Boulton, Wales must have to forget all the good things

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they did. And since then it looks to me like the falling between two

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stools, and it is neither Warren, nor the new style. Wales surely a

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good enough as a country, and they have good enough players to play

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heads up and see what the conditions in the opposition dictate. A bit of

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injury news on that Dan Biggar red injury. He will be assessed

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tomorrow. No information yet on whether he will be fit for next

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week. And George North, that dead like, despite slightly running for

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the tricolour he will be assessed. To doubt for next week hopefully

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they will both come through. I want a doctor but the Italians. We talked

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about Wales' deficiencies, and Rob Howley reference the weather and the

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fact that conditions were more severe than anticipated. How much

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credit should be give to Italy for their aggressive line speed and the

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fight begins Wales no room to manoeuvre despite the fact Wales and

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Italy % possession and one stage? First half, I agree. They probally

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followed a bit of a game plan. They picked and went a bit. I think

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second half we saw the old Italians, if I'm honest. Ill discipline. I

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don't think they look very good. The middle and good in the second half

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when Campagnaro came on. He hasn't been in the camp, he has been at

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Exeter Chiefs, has come back from a series of injuries. But I still

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think they lack quality at the American mind and new merit ten.

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That is crucial in rugby. The scrum was reversed after Wales made the

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changes, made a difference. Looking forward to some analysis from you

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shone in a moment. Let's hear from a few familiar faces now. As expected,

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a tough game. First 62 minutes are always great to be brittle. The

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absorber and came back and scored a couple of tries to win quite

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comfortable towards the end, and it's a shame not to get the bonus

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point. A few problems in the first half, as slow ball in when

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recycling. The Italian defence was organised. Didn't show a lot of

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creativity. I thought Sam Davies had a good game when he came on. A good

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result. I think Wales will be content with the victory in Rome.

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First half they came through comfortably, and there were always

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comfortable even if they were a bit shaky during that second quarter.

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The thing that struck me is that we should not have to wait for an hour

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before we are scoring tries. We have to be more adventurous and more

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creative early in the game, especially playing against better

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sites. The lesson I learned yesterday watching Scotland was that

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they won the game in the first 20 minutes with the pressure and the

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tries the reason. And that set the tone for the game. We will be

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conservative to begin with, understandably perhaps away from

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home and under pressure. Those boys got the trip out to Rome. Shone, by

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contrast, spent the day in and engendered Sweet. I'm sure it's

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worth it, though what do you have for us? They may rue the lack of a

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bonus point, but be happy with the win. Unidentified a definite turning

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point in the game. They kicked a lot early on, Dan Biggar exploding space

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because the Italians were out of position, the ten and in this case

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the 15 offering a lot of space to get into. But they did a little bit

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too often for me in the first half, and the Italians got cute to it.

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Tommaso Benvenuti scans the situation, reads it and stuff so any

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threat of a try. And the Italians grew in confidence especially around

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the scrum where they had the upper hand. This was a turnover scrum.

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Parisse was phenomenal for the first half an hour and George North yearly

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saving a try, Parisse again nearly getting over but being held up. A

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huge amount of pressure, and Wales were penalised. Samson Lee under all

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sorts of problems. The old Italians might have kicked three points here,

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but with confidence they went for another scrum. Just watch brands

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team here, brilliant in this game, an inside pass to Parisse, and he is

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nearly over. But tactically, they were prepared. This group of players

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are waiting for all. Luke McLean as a back, getting in there, they keep

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the ball off the floor, stay on their feet, and Wales had no answer

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to this. But credit Rob Howley, he made the changes when needed. Two

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front row coming off, that made a difference. Italy became ill

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disposed, Lovotti gets down on his knee, and when they get back up the

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scrum goes around the outside. That was enough indiscretion but the

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referee who had had enough giving away penalties, and he gave Lovotti

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his marching orders with a yellow card. Wales had to make territory

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and pressure and make the extra mankind. Sam Davies showing sublime

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skills to off-load this under huge pressure. Composer from Williams,

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and Jonathan gets over what was the turning point of the match full

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stop. You have been in that situation, how difficult is it to

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play with one man down? It is pretty the moralising. When you think the

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Italians, stereotypically they are creaking around at 60 minute mark,

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so to use from five forward... They had a purple patch in the middle

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third, the Italians. They just didn't make it pay enough. All of a

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sudden you're one man down, right up against it, and it seemed their

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confidence flowed away, and Wales got that confidence on their side

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and punched through. It's the same old story in that respect, Jerry,

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Italian indiscipline, embarked on them. That was their 50th penalty

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that led to Lovotti's yellow card. Wales are conceded two at that

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point. Ultimately, you can see that many -- if you concede that managed.

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You cannot give away penalties in good positions with the best

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marksman in world rugby. It is like banging your head against a brick

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wall. It was a good start, because some of these guys are not playing

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the highest level of rugby, their fitness will drop off and stop it

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seems to me that the home nations' fitness has actually increased.

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Stephen, you mentioned Connor. He has mentioned this journey that

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Italian rugby has been going on and hopes will continue under his reign.

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And be going in the right direction? Very difficult to say. The Italian

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team, you talk about confidence, some of those guys have hardly won a

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single rugby match. I have to say, that Connor, I really rate the guy.

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He's very sharp and good for them. But he is about the sixth Italian

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culture that is coming to say, we are at the start of the journey. It

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is not there. It is not reached a critical mass point. They are not

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produced players. The fly-half today struggle terribly. I'm sure there

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are better fly-half 's in this room, with respect to him. The journey is

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still on the starting blocks, I'm afraid. Jean Todt about turning

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point. The obvious one that game was the yellow card and the points that

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were scored in the absence of Lovotti. Another one, Warburton,

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vintage Warburton turnover on the stroke of half-time, and Italy had

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laid siege to that Welsh line for so long. At the scored a second try

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then it could have been a totally different perspective coming onto

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the second half. Massively. I was twitching just watching on TV! And I

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was watching with an English friend as well, thinking, I gave him stick

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in yesterday's game against France, and I were starting to worry. And

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Wales have big game players. We are in a little bit of an area where we

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need to improve in certain areas, we know that. Not firing as we have

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been over the years, but we still have world-class players and guys

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who can do it when it matters. That was a real crux where did matter.

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The balance is very fine, and once it goes one way or the other, it has

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arrived either side. There will be disappointed not to get the bonus

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point, but at one point everybody was nervous. It was terrific

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elegantly balanced. Let's switch focus to the under 20s and a woman,

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find and how they got on in a moment. But first, the under 20s who

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are the defending Grand Slam champions. They opened their

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campaign in Milan on Friday night. COMMENTATOR: Them all is set. The

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number nine is organising. Everything going, good defence from

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Wales. Over the line, no one knew what was happening. We see it back

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on the replay. Wales have chosen not to challenge. They allow the

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Italians to drive. Five metres short, Wales, can they did to them

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three or four minutes ago? Looking for that first try. Organising. Arms

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go up. The only armour doesn't drop is the one and you want, and that is

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the chap in green. Now they have gone up, and it is the prop forward.

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Good pace now, this is an opportunity. He is a finisher, he

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can get it. He is in midair. If he has got that down it would be an

:24:52.:24:54.

incredible try. It was a good turn of pace. That's a great try, what a

:24:55.:25:06.

try. A high ball from Jones. Nothing going on there, has gone backwards?

:25:07.:25:10.

Yes, says the referee. Williams could put this game to bed,

:25:11.:25:15.

underneath the sticks. Wales start their campaign with a great victory,

:25:16.:25:19.

and we will look forward to the rest of the games in this under 20s Six

:25:20.:25:22.

Nations cabbage. Ever closer... Lovely work here, to

:25:23.:25:37.

the try line, and of that ball has been touched down then it is a try.

:25:38.:25:42.

Not yet. Inches short. This time it is Karen Thomas, and that is the

:25:43.:25:46.

first try. The referee's Hamas in the year. -- the referee's arm is in

:25:47.:25:58.

the air. Italy looking for a try here, good tackle! But the try is

:25:59.:26:10.

there, surely? Takes it to grind. Wilkins, out to Howell, steps off

:26:11.:26:14.

the left foot, and over as she goes. It well taken try from the Wales

:26:15.:26:20.

full-back. 15 minutes until the final whistle. Rachael Taylor climbs

:26:21.:26:27.

high once again. The forwards are there. Look at that expression on

:26:28.:26:37.

her face. All the effort. Would be fruitful? The captain... Gets the

:26:38.:26:44.

try! That is a crucial score for Wales. Many congratulations for the

:26:45.:26:53.

wins don't come easy away from home. No, especially here, it's a tough

:26:54.:26:57.

place to come. It was fantastic for us.

:26:58.:27:00.

Yes, congratulations to the Welsh women. Their first win against Italy

:27:01.:27:13.

for four years. And congratulations to these guys, the under 20s.

:27:14.:27:16.

CHEERING Difficult conditions in Milan. Not

:27:17.:27:24.

the best at, but you soon got your rhythm. We know Italy is a place to

:27:25.:27:28.

go for the first game. Conditions did suit them. But in the end we got

:27:29.:27:35.

the victory. Indeed. And you are defending champions, I guess you

:27:36.:27:38.

want to hold onto that trophy, dodgy? Yes, of course that is our

:27:39.:27:42.

aim. But player development is one of our aims as well. And hopefully

:27:43.:27:46.

after the sternum and, whether we win or lose, we can say that we

:27:47.:27:48.

developed individually and as a team. And Morgan, you are going up

:27:49.:27:55.

to call and be next week. You always get some good support fair, but

:27:56.:28:00.

England will be tough. Yes, as a team we know that England will be a

:28:01.:28:04.

tough game. But we focused ourselves for this week, and with got things

:28:05.:28:09.

to work on from Friday. And quick word about Ryan, great try from

:28:10.:28:15.

them, and it is his birthday as well. Anybody greetings? We know he

:28:16.:28:20.

is a great finisher. We saw that in the try. Younger than us, and

:28:21.:28:25.

developing player. There is a strong team culture, that's where stars

:28:26.:28:30.

come from. He is 18 years old, things are looking good. And

:28:31.:28:34.

remember, BBC Wales is one place to be for all Wales matches. I will be

:28:35.:28:37.

looking after the woman on Saturday morning, and on Friday night, you

:28:38.:28:42.

will be up at Colwyn Bay. Always will be. Always give the cracking

:28:43.:28:45.

welcome there, will be starting the road trip early on Friday. Back

:28:46.:28:49.

Internet, and Scotland hosted Ireland at Murrayfield yesterday

:28:50.:28:54.

they would all kicked off. The Scots have only beaten the Irish three

:28:55.:28:57.

times in 17 attempts since the Five Nations became six, but they were

:28:58.:29:00.

quietly confident going into this one.

:29:01.:29:12.

Urged on by the Murrayfield faithful. Get it out wide. Stuart

:29:13.:29:21.

Hogg for the line. And Scotland open the try scoring at Murrayfield. A

:29:22.:29:27.

quarter of the match gone, still just that once call from Scotland.

:29:28.:29:31.

But here they come again and it is Stuart Hogg. It is another try for

:29:32.:29:41.

Stuart Hogg. Closing in on 20 phases now. Out

:29:42.:29:53.

wide it goes. Ireland hit back. Ireland's turn to defend the five

:29:54.:29:56.

metre Drive. It is difficult. A difficult place to defend. Both

:29:57.:30:03.

sides have been uncertain in the line-out. It is Dunbar. Murray again

:30:04.:30:12.

for the line. Cannot quite make it. The ball is held up. Still that

:30:13.:30:19.

penalty advantage. Over they go for the try. Iain Henderson dives and

:30:20.:30:29.

scores. The Scottish tackles flying up but a

:30:30.:30:35.

chance for Rob Kearney. Maitland again the saviour. Ireland thought

:30:36.:30:41.

they had scored but it was the tackle from Maitland. Did he get his

:30:42.:30:50.

man into touch? The player was in touch. It is a line-out, Scotland

:30:51.:30:55.

ball. Up to within ten metres. Jackson is

:30:56.:31:02.

through. Jackson stretches to score. It is a try for Ireland.

:31:03.:31:09.

The ball is still there for Scotland. A penalty to Scotland as

:31:10.:31:12.

well. And Ireland's chances are slipping away.

:31:13.:31:25.

It is good from Greig Laidlaw. It is great from Scotland. They have

:31:26.:31:30.

beaten Ireland in the opening match of this 6-nations. We switched off a

:31:31.:31:37.

bit at the start of the second half but the boys are absolutely

:31:38.:31:40.

delighted to kick off with a win. There is no better place to do it.

:31:41.:31:52.

Well, one member of our panel did predict a Scottish victory last week

:31:53.:31:58.

and that was an epic Test match. What better way to open the

:31:59.:32:02.

tournament. Yes, they were incredible. I think the expectation

:32:03.:32:07.

has been there for a bit now. And you will understand, being a coach,

:32:08.:32:12.

it is tough being a coach, you inherit a side and then you change

:32:13.:32:15.

it to what you want and then you normally just let it go. But then

:32:16.:32:19.

you are under pressure on keeping your job. And the guys have repaid

:32:20.:32:24.

some great effort by themselves and is a brilliant coaching by Vern

:32:25.:32:29.

Cotter and his team. I thought a few seasons ago, even last season, the

:32:30.:32:33.

Scottish side would have crumbled under the onslaught in the second

:32:34.:32:39.

half. Yet, they scrambled and kept them out, they came back and put

:32:40.:32:45.

pressure on Ireland, showed great fitness to be able to do that and

:32:46.:32:50.

put them under pressure and Greig Laidlaw has that great kicking

:32:51.:32:54.

success rate. It was a great victory. But it will mean nothing

:32:55.:33:03.

unless they beat France next week. Scotland very impressive but what

:33:04.:33:06.

about Ireland? They dominated the set piece but they could not get

:33:07.:33:10.

going in that first half. It was one of those great game for them. They

:33:11.:33:23.

score those early tries. Again, as Jerry said, they normally

:33:24.:33:27.

crumble at that point. But they held on. I think they miss... There was

:33:28.:33:32.

like 15 tackles they missed in the first half, even more in the second

:33:33.:33:36.

half. You cannot win Test matches when you are saying that many

:33:37.:33:41.

tackles. They have a lock to work on. There have been false dawns for

:33:42.:33:46.

Scotland over the years. We have talked them up but there seems to be

:33:47.:33:51.

some substance to this revival under Vern Cotter and Jonathan Humphreys.

:33:52.:33:56.

Yes, I would like to give him credit for that line-out drive but I cannot

:33:57.:34:00.

see him coming up with that. I am pleased for them because it has been

:34:01.:34:05.

coming. Glasgow have got over the line in terms of qualifying for the

:34:06.:34:07.

European quarterfinals and that really sets the tournament up for

:34:08.:34:12.

me. It was a great start to the tournament and I am pleased for

:34:13.:34:15.

them. I am disappointed maybe that they cannot get together and have

:34:16.:34:20.

Gregor Townsend is well and have a formidable team and really kick on.

:34:21.:34:24.

But it is a great start and they are in with a shout.

:34:25.:34:28.

I am worried about Wales... Let's not think about that now. At that

:34:29.:34:34.

magnificent match at Murrayfield, it is off to Twickenham to see how

:34:35.:34:38.

England under Eddie Jones would fare against France.

:34:39.:34:47.

COMMENTATOR: Lopez gets away from George Ford. A

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quick blast of the whistle. It is not exactly a tip tap all. To be

:35:02.:35:06.

honest, I could not see anything wrong with that. Well, he takes him

:35:07.:35:18.

beyond the horizontal. Will it drift in? It does. France,

:35:19.:35:23.

two penalties from Lopez and they lead 6-3.

:35:24.:35:29.

Nearly a turnover for France. George Ford dummies the kick and it works

:35:30.:35:32.

well. Beautifully done by Owen Farrell. Elliot Daly. It will go to

:35:33.:35:43.

review. He thinks he has scored. Not in touch yet. Yes, years now.

:35:44.:35:52.

Just. There is another high tackle

:35:53.:35:57.

penalty. There might be better for France. Was that a deliberate

:35:58.:36:05.

knock-on by Courtney Lawes? A couple of advantage is being

:36:06.:36:10.

played France 's way. A try is going to be scored by Slimani. The first

:36:11.:36:23.

try of the game. Nathan Hughes. Danny Care. Elliot

:36:24.:36:35.

Daly. Teo'o. And England have been rewarded for staying patient. I take

:36:36.:36:39.

full responsibility for the performance. I did not prepare the

:36:40.:36:45.

team well enough. I got something is wrong. I will make sure that the

:36:46.:36:48.

team plays much better against Wales.

:36:49.:36:54.

He took full responsibility therefore that performance. What did

:36:55.:37:00.

he get wrong? Some people saying team selection. He struggled with

:37:01.:37:06.

injuries but the strength within the English game is deep and the guys

:37:07.:37:13.

just were slow off the block. You try your best as coaches to prepare

:37:14.:37:17.

them as best you can and sometimes it does not happen. But we have to

:37:18.:37:22.

give credit to France. I said last week that they are a poor side. But

:37:23.:37:27.

they seemed to have some are shaping their attack. Credit to England.

:37:28.:37:31.

When it mattered, they were resilient and they got in a position

:37:32.:37:35.

to score, that impact on the bench was enormous. And Teo'o 's try was

:37:36.:37:42.

brilliant. A lovely lay-off from Owen Farrell. Great.

:37:43.:37:48.

Good job you have high Northern Irishman in your ranks. There he is.

:37:49.:37:59.

That is not photo shop. That was during the World Cup. Every side has

:38:00.:38:11.

got their imports, haven't they? In every side. Every single side. Let's

:38:12.:38:16.

embrace it. When it works, we have got to go with it. For all the talk

:38:17.:38:23.

of England's lethargy, we have to give credit to France. They looked

:38:24.:38:29.

unrecognisable from recent sides. It is not the full renaissance yet. You

:38:30.:38:34.

could not believe how bad they were sometimes. Absolutely shocking. They

:38:35.:38:38.

have all these great clubs, how can they be so bad that is why it was a

:38:39.:38:47.

J great first weekend. Scotland and France are clearly better than they

:38:48.:38:53.

were. For about an hour yesterday, England could have lost. I think the

:38:54.:38:58.

reason why they did not and where France still have to work is

:38:59.:39:02.

something as basic as fitness. That France team are huge. And at the

:39:03.:39:09.

end, England had more gas and obviously a better bench. But France

:39:10.:39:13.

have got to learn the lessons of fitness and that is why the guys

:39:14.:39:20.

playing in the Premiership are the fittest guys out there. It is

:39:21.:39:25.

embarrassing when you have eight substitutes and you are still

:39:26.:39:29.

dropping off at the end of the game. We are certainly not going to see

:39:30.:39:33.

that impact in this tournament. Gerry mentioned the injuries that

:39:34.:39:36.

England have but they did experiment quite a bit. A few players out of

:39:37.:39:41.

position. Did they experiment too much? It did not work to start with.

:39:42.:39:47.

Much to my amusement for the first half watching it. And for 20 minutes

:39:48.:39:57.

today I thought it would come back on me. But when it mattered, they

:39:58.:40:02.

came back. That last ten minutes, they were good and they showed...

:40:03.:40:07.

Their substitutes came on, a very strong bench and I would not be

:40:08.:40:10.

surprised to see some of them starting next week. They really did

:40:11.:40:14.

make that impact. That could be a big factor next week.

:40:15.:40:18.

We have a few minutes to discuss tactics for next week 's game. You

:40:19.:40:24.

have spent a bit of time in the edit suite analysing the English game.

:40:25.:40:31.

Eddie Jones won't be happy but credit to the French team, they were

:40:32.:40:38.

superbly prepared on the day. They asked questions of England by

:40:39.:40:41.

disjoint in their defence and switching the play. They came down

:40:42.:40:45.

the short side quite a lot and disrupted the England line. If you

:40:46.:40:50.

look at this example, Joe Launchbury is in a situation where they do not

:40:51.:40:55.

want him. It creates little overlaps, little bits of space in

:40:56.:40:59.

the outside channels that hopefully you can exploit. Can Wales do this

:41:00.:41:04.

next week? Will they be as prepared? Again, Owen Farrell is on the end of

:41:05.:41:08.

this line and Elliot Daly is out of position. France had their guys in

:41:09.:41:16.

the wide channels. They also exploited this setup. George Ford is

:41:17.:41:26.

at scrum-half. If the defence commit themselves, England potentially have

:41:27.:41:30.

their two week as defenders on the fringes of the maul. They knew this.

:41:31.:41:37.

And exploited it. They worked on it. These are easy yards. They knew what

:41:38.:41:43.

they were doing. This time, and inside ball and he gets to Danny

:41:44.:41:51.

Care. Again, easy yards. Very clever tactics. George Ford at scrum-half,

:41:52.:41:55.

he does not want to tackle. That is why they put him there. And as you

:41:56.:42:02.

see, Owen Farrell, a little bit spooked, he jumps out of the line

:42:03.:42:07.

and creates a little mismatch and a whole for France to exploit. They

:42:08.:42:11.

were excellent. What they wanted to do was switch play a lot and get to

:42:12.:42:15.

a disjointed England defensive line and create some overlaps. It nearly

:42:16.:42:20.

paid off for them. Our Wales astute enough to create the chances? We

:42:21.:42:22.

will have to wait and see. Plenty to talk to the panel about

:42:23.:42:32.

there but first let's hear some fighting talk from both camps. Can

:42:33.:42:36.

you believe the test record, 60% of the tests have been won by Wales,

:42:37.:42:43.

only 40% by England. Obviously, mentally, there are things that go

:42:44.:42:47.

on, I have been to the Principality stadium and it is just another

:42:48.:42:51.

ground. We will need to work out why the English don't play well at

:42:52.:42:55.

Wales. I don't know what it is. Maybe it is something... Crossing

:42:56.:43:03.

the river? Whatever it is. I used to be a geography teacher. I will look

:43:04.:43:07.

it up. What did you make of England's opening performance? It

:43:08.:43:13.

was a good win. They showed character in the team that they are

:43:14.:43:17.

from the run of games they have had an success. But ultimately, our

:43:18.:43:22.

focus will be to review this because there were parts of that game that

:43:23.:43:25.

we feel we can have a big improvement on and then we move

:43:26.:43:32.

towards England. The first two weeks are pretty important. The focus was

:43:33.:43:36.

on this game to get us off to a good start. It has been mentioned many

:43:37.:43:41.

times about our starting the campaign and as I said to the

:43:42.:43:45.

players before the game, it is important we start competitions

:43:46.:43:48.

well. We have not done so in four years. I am glad from a perspective

:43:49.:43:56.

that we can go into the next game with a little bit more self belief

:43:57.:44:02.

and confidence. Huge improvement is needed for next week when England

:44:03.:44:05.

come, especially in the speed of the ball to the back line, intensity in

:44:06.:44:11.

defence, and also the creativity. I think we have got to be more bold

:44:12.:44:15.

from the start, we have too scored tries early on and also we have to

:44:16.:44:19.

get away from too much kicking back and forth. England will certainly

:44:20.:44:22.

counter attack if we kick straight down the field to them and we also

:44:23.:44:30.

have to look to run from deep more. Will it be too early to start Sam

:44:31.:44:35.

Davies in a game like England? Or is he ready to do that? He showed in

:44:36.:44:43.

the autumn he is ready to start and we came a selection plan in terms of

:44:44.:44:48.

experience and the competition for places, what we talked about two

:44:49.:44:55.

weeks ago. And Sam has shown lovely touches and obviously, he has a

:44:56.:44:59.

unique left foot. That certainly aids his tools in terms of kicking

:45:00.:45:03.

strategy but we will have to wait and see how Dan Biggar comes out and

:45:04.:45:08.

at the end of the day, he has come on and on really well and it puts

:45:09.:45:11.

pressure on coaches in terms of selection. We win the Six Nations, I

:45:12.:45:17.

will stand up here and do handstands, I will be that happy.

:45:18.:45:22.

Records don't mean anything. You score 100 in a Test match and you

:45:23.:45:26.

can get out for a duck the next day. It is about keeping improved on. We

:45:27.:45:30.

want to be Six Nations champions. And that starts by beating Wales

:45:31.:45:33.

next week. That is the only thing that matters now. There were aspects

:45:34.:45:40.

of our game today where we had the ball and we were not relentless. The

:45:41.:45:47.

ability to sides -- put side under pressure and we will have to put

:45:48.:45:50.

England under more pressure than we did today.

:45:51.:45:54.

Some fighting talk. First of all, someone needs to give Eddie Jones a

:45:55.:45:58.

geography lesson. Next week, it is the big one. The

:45:59.:46:02.

one we all look forward to. Both sides now have a victory under their

:46:03.:46:06.

belt. Not the most convincing of wins. Who would you say are the

:46:07.:46:09.

favourites going into that game? We will be underdogs. Eddie will

:46:10.:46:16.

probably like a rocket under the English side after what he said in a

:46:17.:46:21.

press conference after, so he will put a lot of detail on but again we

:46:22.:46:25.

have world-class players that can stand up and can make a difference.

:46:26.:46:30.

And we like to go into the game as underdogs. I remember watching a few

:46:31.:46:33.

years ago when England were chasing the Grand Slam and they were looking

:46:34.:46:38.

for it and I was talking to the people next to me... Remind us what

:46:39.:46:48.

happened there? No, it was a fantastic second half by Wales in

:46:49.:46:52.

that game. England got it wrong and we came out and it was a fantastic

:46:53.:46:59.

performance in that second half. If things do go wrong, if England get

:47:00.:47:05.

aspects is wrong, we have the players that can put scores on the

:47:06.:47:10.

board and can make a big difference. It will be a really intense game.

:47:11.:47:15.

Bringing up that Cardiff record, as Eddie Jones said, is that another

:47:16.:47:21.

mind game? England have three victories in a row against Wales in

:47:22.:47:25.

the Six Nations. You have to be aware of his flannel. It happens

:47:26.:47:29.

daily. Sometimes he contradicts himself totally the day after. Wales

:47:30.:47:35.

should not give him too much respect. There are only two of the

:47:36.:47:39.

normal starting forwards saying yesterday. The rest are out and

:47:40.:47:44.

won't be in Cardiff. Dylan Hartley, I think, I don't rate him at all.

:47:45.:47:50.

Dan Cole is a busted flush and I think they can be attacked and also

:47:51.:47:56.

Mike Brown at fullback, in terms of counterattack is a dead duck. I am

:47:57.:48:07.

serious. He looks for the first tackler and runs at him. They are

:48:08.:48:12.

short of players and Eddie with his flannel is trying to divert the

:48:13.:48:15.

attention away from the fact. If they give them too much respect,

:48:16.:48:21.

they will lose by a lot. Why would you respect England? It is not...

:48:22.:48:29.

The Principality stadium is not any old stadium. It is a fantastic

:48:30.:48:33.

arena. And Eddie will be as frightened of it as anybody. Jerry,

:48:34.:48:44.

you have to respond to that. The audience is amazing. I think

:48:45.:48:55.

that the flannel has 15 victories in a row. It is a big flannel. Give

:48:56.:49:03.

credit to England where it is due, if you are not playing well and you

:49:04.:49:07.

are winning games, in some cases Canterbury, you have to be wary of

:49:08.:49:10.

them and they are understrength at the moment. What I would say about

:49:11.:49:16.

England is even with those four main starters out, they still have big

:49:17.:49:20.

carriers in their pack and that is... The only way you will beat

:49:21.:49:24.

England is to combat that. I do not feel at the moment Wales have those

:49:25.:49:27.

explosive ball-carriers to be able to produce the quick ball that will

:49:28.:49:31.

enable you to get into the wide spaces. That is where England are

:49:32.:49:36.

weak but they generally slow the ball down and they have big hitters

:49:37.:49:39.

in defence to stop those attackers and that is where they dominate and

:49:40.:49:42.

they build their game on that defence. It was poor yesterday. They

:49:43.:49:52.

allowed France into the game. If they are missing carriers, so our

:49:53.:49:57.

England. The Vunipola brothers are missing.

:49:58.:50:07.

Until Haskel came on, they lacked that go forward. Yes, they had been

:50:08.:50:14.

sensational and they are definitely missing them. I like Jamie George.

:50:15.:50:21.

Should you drop your captain? The flannel makes big cause. We do not

:50:22.:50:24.

have to worry about that. I think we have to concentrate on ourselves.

:50:25.:50:32.

James Haskell has to come in. I am more concerned about us. I agree we

:50:33.:50:38.

have got to match England but I am worried that through Rob Howley 's

:50:39.:50:41.

press conference, he is intimating that Sam Warburton will play at

:50:42.:50:44.

seven. Justin Tipuric is one of the best

:50:45.:50:49.

rugby players Wales have got and if we are to get to those wider

:50:50.:50:52.

channels, we need him in the team. That is my worry.

:50:53.:50:58.

But again, the flannel is due to come a cropper at some point, why

:50:59.:51:07.

can't it be next week? Our panel are very confident this

:51:08.:51:10.

evening. Jerry, let's talk about Wales and any possible changes. You

:51:11.:51:15.

are a fan of Sam Davies. Would you start with him? I am a fan of Dan

:51:16.:51:19.

Biggar as well. It is horses for courses.

:51:20.:51:28.

He does everything but run, you say. Yeah, tell me something different.

:51:29.:51:34.

Rob Howley has been incredibly safe. There is no doubt, if Wales topline

:51:35.:51:38.

players play as well as they can, they are going to cause England

:51:39.:51:41.

problems but they have to find that from somewhere because at the

:51:42.:51:45.

moment, we are not seeing it. Alun Wyn Jones puts in performance after

:51:46.:51:49.

performance. Justin Tipuric gets better and better. The combination I

:51:50.:51:53.

like today in the midfield of Williamson Davies, if that clicks,

:51:54.:51:57.

England are going to have to shore up that defence that was incredibly

:51:58.:52:01.

passive. You are avoiding the question. Who would you go for at

:52:02.:52:11.

ten? I would go with Dan Biggar. I think he is... The connection there

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with his experience will work. Sam is too inexperienced for that

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occasion. Bring him on to make a difference. If you bring Dan Biggar

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on, there is not much you can attack with, so start with him and bring

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the influence on. I would start with Dan Biggar. He is a real winner. He

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is the sort of guy that you will want to line up with. He has that

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experience. He has the shirt at the moment. Sam is going well. He is the

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incumbent. He will get there. Coming off the bench, it is a strategy as

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well. We saw that from England yesterday. They are both still

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involved. That would be my selection. You said at the very stop

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-- the very top, about the number seven. How would your back row be

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configured? I am a massive fan of Sam Warburton and it is hard to

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leave out Justin Tipuric. I would make a straight swap, Moriarty for

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Faletau. If Charteris is fit, I would bring him in as well. They

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have got to make things happen. I would bring in the biggest, most

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brutal pack and take them on where they don't like it. It has got to be

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an enormous transformation from the rugby I have seen Wales playing in

:53:45.:53:50.

the last 12 months. It would be a miracle win. Sorry, a miracle

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performance. Nothing has suggested that they have been carrying the

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ball and smashing lumps out of the sites they have been playing games

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but there is no doubt that what England have to be wary of, as I

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say, those Lions in that Welsh side, if it clicks, it will be a humdinger

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of a game. Head on the block... I want to get Ian on the front rows.

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Did Thomas Frist do enough to start? I think he did, yeah. They made a

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difference. That propelled Wales into the wind. There were some tough

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training sessions this week. If they did make that decision, then nobody

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could argue with that. Head on the block time, what are we going for? A

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Welsh win obviously? I can't say England, can I? I won't get out of

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here. I feel England are going to make it 16 out of 16. I cannot see

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the way that Wales are playing... It'll be a good, tends emotional

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game but the confidence that England have got and there is so much for

:55:16.:55:18.

them to improve on, I cannot see anything but an England win. I was

:55:19.:55:25.

enjoying beanie crowd pleaser but it is over now. I think England will

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win by a margin in double figures. I had better balance it up. No,

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because I think Wales have a lot of long-term development to go and I

:55:40.:55:42.

don't think we will go and win a Grand Slam. I will be honest. A

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one-off game in Cardiff, why can't we do it?

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A lot of other games coming up next weekend as well. Italy play at home

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for the second weekend running. A wounded Ireland are the six --

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visitors. Ireland will rebound big. I don't think they will lose again.

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And what about France Scotland? France. If Scotland can make it

:56:17.:56:24.

mobile, they will win. But if it is an arm wrestle, France will win that

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one. If France can last the course, they will win by double figures. A

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narrow French win for me. Interesting prediction. Only the one

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person was right last week and I think that was Peter Jackson.

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There we are. Thanks ever so much. Everybody here, can you give it up

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for your panel this evening, Ian Gough... Jeremy Guscott... Stephen

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Jones... And Sean Holley. Thanks to all of our amazing studio

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audience as well. And thank you for you watching at home as well. There

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is a Facebook live at 7:15pm. A couple of the boys are hanging about

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to answer your questions. Wales are top of the pile after Round 1. Our

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closest neighbours are coming over next week and it always is a

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humdinger. He can make a break for himself. He

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is going to score a remarkable try. Martin, Edwards. Phil Bennett. Along

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the line. JB R Williams. Is he going to do it again?

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Moriarty. And I tell you, this has got to be sorted out. What a star

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one international punches thrown. Totally unnecessary. And that really

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does disfigure a great match. The kick is charged down. A try for

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Wales. What a start. It is James Hook. The Millennium Stadium is a

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happy place.

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