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Sarra Elgan and Ross Harries present a look back at the weekend's Six Nations action. Studio guests are Jonathan Davies, Gwyn Jones, Peter Jackson, Phil Vickery and Sean Holley.

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Late the second weekend of the Six Nations, it Wales and England in


Cardiff. Wales take an early lead in the Principality Stadium. The Welsh


defence still holding out, until now. Which way for Webb, left or


right? Left, on his own. Never trust a scrum-half. He knocks it on. Wales


scores. And take the lead. Beautiful from Rhys Webb. Wales are showing


what they can do. Interception by Dan Biggar. And England scorer. It


has been an outstanding game of rugby. Wales, 16, England 21.


It was billed as the mother of all showdowns. 80 minutes of rugby, a


truly epic Test match. The disappointment of defeat. But we


have a great panel tonight in our green room. Please welcome Jonathan


Davies. Gwyn Jones. Peter Jackson. And Phil Vickery. And keeping us


company in the club, we have the ladies from Nelson. And we are full


to capacity tonight, because we also have the Wales under 20s and the


Wales women. James Hook is behind the bar. Shall we get the panel in?


Good evening, gents. Great to have you on board. Phil, this man in the


England shirt, the two of you are probably the only happy men in the


studio. It is a lot easier than I thought it would be tonight. For the


new club, author Test match. It is lovely. Sometimes big games are


hyped up and off the outcome and what is delivered as underwhelming


but I was in Cardiff on Friday night, and it was already, "Wales!".


People say to me, do you wish I still played and I say, no. I


watched yesterday, what an amazing occasion. Two teams and a lovely


thing was the confrontation, the physicality, the emotion and


passion, nothing silly. Two teams that just went for it until the


final whistle. Obviously delighted for England to get a victory at the


end but I think it was a lovely atmosphere. We all promote and love


our game and that, to me, you could bottle back up and put it out there.


So often on occasions like this, they are hyped up and they do not


always live up to expectation, but it did yesterday and some. It was a


great Test match. It was so tough. Everybody gave everything. We knew


how good England were, but I think Wales played exceptionally


yesterday. Better than they have done for a long time. It was just a


pleasure to be there and a pleasure to watch it. Did the right team win?


Well, no, obviously! But regardless of how we played, to make things


about it. We beat teams in the autumn, but we sat here largely


disappointed with the quality of the performance. Although we were


disappointed that we lost in the end, I don't think anybody thinks


that is a poor performance. It is so much better than anything we have


seen. We had pace in the game, we created and threatened and played


with the passion that we know we can. The other thing about the game,


I think we might remember it as the emergence of Moriarty in the back


row. He was just outstanding. And speaking of Moriarty, a clubmate of


yours, James Hook, at Gloucester. What a shift from the big man. He


was phenomenal. Boys like that, he was not just tackling them, he was


knocking them back two or three yards. He has been doing that all


season for Gloucester. He was the man of the match for me. He was


outstanding. And on the game itself, I was exhausted watching it. Have


you got your breath back yet? It was exhausting. We got the bus back this


morning but it was a great Test match that lived up to the


expectation. Just gutted we did not get the results. Before a football


was kicked, we said that mental toughness would see England through.


It probably did, but what else is why it in their favour? At one stage


I did not think that winning mentality would see them through.


Early in the second half, I thought Wales were going to win the game.


And then I was thinking that if they did, Ross Moriarty had to be a


serious contender for my man of the match. And then I looked up and Ross


Moriarty had been taken off. I didn't understand it for the life of


me then and they do not understand it now, but I sense that from the


moment he left the field, there was almost a discernible turning of the


tide as far as England were concerned. They came back strongly.


I think the game was won and lost not because England necessarily had


better players on the bench but because they made better use of


them. Every English substitute, particularly James Haskel, Ben Te'o,


and Jamie George, make them better. I thought every substitution made


Wales poorer. And everyone talks about the kicker did not go out but


was that the reason why? -- the kick that did not go out. The thing that


was impressive from England was the work rate of the ball. They did not


always get the ball stolen but it was making people work. Forget about


the tries, Farrell's pass... A brilliant pass. The whole thing was


phenomenal and you could not fault the work rate. You have to remember


that their finishers, starters and finishers, they are quality players.


They have the strength and depth. Looking at it from the start of the


match, you would think, right, that bench is going to make a difference.


Ben Te'o and all that. The Moriarty thing frustrated me because that boy


has a presence about him. I had never seen him play a bad game. I


would only have had to make players in my Lions team right now, all in


Farrell and Ben Te'o and Ross Moriarty. He was just phenomenal. We


will be talking about all of those things are little later. Shall we


see some highlights from yesterday? The match, like all matches this


weekend, started with silence for the man who lost his brave battle


with motor neurone disease is weak. -- this week. He wore Springbok


agreement like a second skin. Afrikaans was his mother tongue but


he was new and different. Strong, fast, and then we can then slowed by


motor neuron disease. He was brilliance in his pomp and brash. He


was inspirational in his decline. Juiced and West Houston, a giant in


his time at dawn way before his time.


-- Joost van der Westhuizen. He was told he can't make it. England still


have it. Jonathan Jones goes long. He makes the tackle. And here comes


Mike Browne. The Welsh defence is still holding out. Until now.


Cuthbert sets off in pursuit. Dan Biggar is there. Wales arrive. Two


meters from the line. It is brilliant by Knowle to save the day.


That was good play by England. Dan Biggar had no option. Alun Wyn Jones


stretchers. Which way for Rhys Webb. Left or right? Left, on his own.


Play on. England have won it illegally. Good show. Well done,


that referee. Can Wales turn pressure into points? Williams can.


Wales score. And they take the lead. Scott Williams wearers 12 and he is


the dummy runner. It opens up for Liam Williams. That was a great


dummy run. Rhys Webb. Evans sends it long. It goes to Jonathan Davies.


Davies is inside. Courtney Lawes, Davies, two Leigh Halfpenny. Rhys


Webb. Dan Biggar and Wales showing what they can do. A change of


direction. Mike Browne. He loses the ball again. The referee has to do


whistle to his man. But he is not sure. He says he is not sure and


England are a foot shot. They drive through the forwards. Ian is to go


digging for it. They have men over on the right. Interception by Dan


Biggar. Dan Biggar chases down, with Liam Williams inside him. Against


Davies. Great skill. What a game by Davies. It was all over for Dan


Biggar and he knew it. Brilliant, brilliant. It is OJ -- Itoje


delivers. Liam Williams has turned it over. The biggest roar of the day


as possession goes from England to Wales. Alun Wyn Jones. Wales, in no


rush but at some stage they will have to clear their lines. Jonathan


Davies. Straight down the middle of the field, towards George Ford.


England comeback. Owen Farrell. Elliott Davie Cooper had chances in


doubt. And he scores. -- Elliott Daly could put chances in doubt. A


brilliant kick. England, five points ahead. Wales have to score a try.


England could win this and to get off the park. Danny Care. It has


been an outstanding game of rugby. They remain unbeaten. England have


beaten Wales at the Principality Stadium. Wales 16, England 21.


So ultimately, joy for England and heartbreak for Wales. Let's find out


what the players and coaches had to say. Did the wrong team when? It was


an outstanding Test match. The intensity, the application of our


players for 75 minutes was outstanding. I thought it was a


great game of test rugby today. A really good contest all round the


park. A lot of credit has to go to Wales. I thought that the defence


was superb today. They hit hard and often. They worked hard off the


ball. Today, it was not enough. We can talk about the defence as much


as we like but we stopped tackling in the second half. It is a


difficult loss. I did not think we deserved that result. If we are


going to beat a team like England, they are doing well at the moment,


obviously they are on a good run and they have that winning habit. We


need to be focused and stay calm. We did not do that today. We have now


become a team that is hard to beat. We are gritty team, with character


in there, that know how to get beaten. We put them under pressure


and at times in the second half we felt that we allowed them that


opportunity to get out of pressure situations, and that is all


learning. But they are very good rugby team. Wales are playing well


and you have to give credit to them. That is the best I've them play. It


was only in the second half that we started to make mistakes and get our


speed together. In the first half, they had the lawless attack. They


kept the possession for a long period of time and it was difficult


to get the ball off them. You say that Wales were flawless in attack.


Typically differently to how you expected them to play? Not really.


They're half-back is a handful. He is a strong little hugger. And the


forwards carried well. Eddie Jones called you a strong little hugger.


Do you have in response to that? It means the world to me to win their


jersey. It was a shame that I came off at that six to five minute mark.


Were you surprised that Ross Moriarty was substituted as early


because he was causing so many problems? I want to say that I have


enough to worry about without worrying about Wales substitutions.


He played 70 minutes last week and I thought the bench had a huge impact


last week. As I said before the game, it is not number 102 when


you're playing rugby. It is a sport of 23 and the players are equally


important coming on and making that impact. We will be harsh on


ourselves next week because that is a victory that went missing for us


today, we believe. But we will rest up and recover and then we will go


again. It has been a fantastic performance, except for the last six


or seven minutes. It was a tough one, but you take that, you bottle


it, and we will use it in two weeks' time. We will speak to our panel in


a few moments but first, Shauna has been analysing the final points of


that defeat. What have you discovered? So much to be analysed.


But did England when it ordered Wales lose at? As Eddie Jones said,


they attacked extremely well. Well marshalled by Rhys Webb and Dan


Biggar. Take a look at Itoje here. That is the channel they are trying


to cut to get at George Ford. It was all about getting to him and getting


at the game line. Even with the ball, they cannot get to George


Ford. We know that they need to play Moriarty and Tipuric. And look at


Scott Williams going up against Ford. That is what Wales wanted to


do and get him across the game line. Now they can attack on the front


foot. Bigger is in motion and he has taken the ball to the line. The


England outside backs have to backtrack to get on the front foot


again. And it manifests itself in this scrum drive. Clifford is out of


play the cause Rhys Webb gets to be the ten. George Ford is looking for


defenders on either side of them. He is. It isolated is a great run for


Williams, out of nowhere. Joe Simmonds attracted by the outside


movement and Liam Williams does the best. Wales spend a lot of time on


their 22 and will be questions asked about some of the decisions to take


the set piece. They lost this Scrum V metres out and an opportunity from


the line-out went awry. In this particular set of phases, Alan win


was not executing. They are found wanting. Did they have a plan to


score once they were in the 22? On this passage, they spent two minutes


and 20 seconds in the 22. But I will ask, should James Haskell had been


given a yellow card here? Was it a turning point? Ultimately, the


difference in the tactics in the kicking game was a difference.


England, when they are under pressure, they are intent on kicking


off the field. Two points behind with nine minutes to go and Wales


were hell-bent on keeping the ball on the field. Even under pressure,


Dan Biggar kicks the ball in the field, inviting players like Mike


Brown to counterattack. With Wales under pressure, they have kickers in


place. Leigh Halfpenny gets there and it goes to Jonathan Davies. The


kick is on the field. England, chasing a win. Fantastic play from


Farrell. Does Jamie Roberts need to dive in and connect with Cuthbert?


Daily does the rest. -- Daly does the rest. Did England when it or did


Wales lose at? They put us under pressure, but I think we're just not


confident enough to win those type of matches at the moment. We are not


playing with the composure that we needed at the end. They are good


side, and we played well for long periods but we made some crucial


mistakes under pressure. We had a conversation on this sofa far two


years ago, saying that Wales did not play, Priestland, Dan Biggar, Plan


A, Plan B. Outside, looking in, I know that England won but from


outside, looking in, the intent yesterday, and the ambition, OK it


did not manifest itself in a win but that was a Welsh team where I can


see a massive transition. That is the difference. They played


differently, and the execution of those two passes that broke Daly on


the outside, there was enough time on the 22. To win Test matches, if


you have that much possession and that much time, they have to be


clinical and they have to score tries. That is the difference. I


think that we are trying to change it. The set piece was brilliant, and


a fantastic try. We need to try something differently because I


think that England have looked more confident with the ball in hand than


we did. I think we needed to take a breath and say, right, look at how


we can attack. We have to score in those situations to beat the top


three sides in the world. That is the difference. We are trying it, we


are playing differently, rather than rapid, rapid, rapid, but that is the


crucial missing element, the attacking and the creativity. There


are couple of things. We have turned down five opportunity points in the


championship so far and we have got nothing back for any of. As Rob


says, let the players make a decision on the field, well, they


are making the wrong decision. Let's take points when they are on offer


in a close game like that. The second thing that Sean alluded to,


we have had more than 30 phases of play in the last two games between


the five metre line and the try line in attack and we have not put three


passes together. I think back to Australia in the World Cup with 13


men, and against Italy, they were just waiting for us. And England


again, when Itoje was on the touchline, five metres out within


five phases they had put three long passes on the other side of the


pitch and scored a try. We are talking about small things now


because we have made a huge step forward, but these are the things


that will take us to the next level. If you look back at the 28th minute


or the 31st minute, you could say that Wales lost the game. Admittedly


it is to be wise after the event but you did not need to be to work out


that in a tight game, you kick goals. It is one thing turning it


down against Italy, a different matter turning it down against


England. If you look at the scrum penalty, Wales got penalised and


they lost it. Potentially six points had gone down the drain. With new


management, you have to understand... We all have degrees in


hindsight. The differences that you had your head down and your cars


out. The decision-makers are on the pitch. When you are under the cosh,


you have to look down and say, it is our fault. You put it in the stands


and then you regroup from first phase. OK, you have to plan to kick,


leave it in play, but three of your forwards have done four or five


tackles, smashed in rucks, and all of a sudden you have to say, hang


on, we need a breather. We need a breather, well yet into the stand


and regroup. He walked slowly to the line-out and then you reorganise


from first phase. That turnover from Williams, if we had cleared it, we


would have been under intense pressure. Everyone congregated to


the ball. There was no one out wide. That had to go to the stand. I take


it from the question that Sean asked, you think that Wales lost it.


Phil, I think we are feeling, as the lads alluded to, proud of the way


the team seems to be evolving. But for you guys, are you feeling


relieved, or have you used up all of the get out of jail card is? One


thing about Eddie Jones, he is brilliant at organising the England


team. The first game, they look tired, that is my responsibility,


can I prepare them better? They did looked jaded against France.


Everybody seems to write off the French team but they were not


exactly a bad team. It was a good Test match. The menu yesterday, I


think the challenge is for England, on the unbeaten run, less than 18


months ago it was doom and gloom. The world is going to end, and then


suddenly an unbeaten Grand Slam, unbeaten summer tour and then the


autumn series whitewash, going into the Six Nations, with the Lions tour


coming up, coming into Cardiff, what is going to go wrong? Everyone wants


to beat England at the best of times, let alone when they are on a


magnificent run. A lot of it is the mental side of it. There are things


which happened at the weekend for me, things that you talk about like


decision-making. Owen Farrell, asking the referee how much time was


left with 15 minutes left to go. England were calm. Injuries did not


matter. Guys came in and stepped up. Owen Farrell was just immense. All


day long. But so was Joe Launchbury and Nathan Hughes. I thought he


stepped up to the plate. But we have not talked about Dan Cole, and the


scrummage. I thought the scrummage went well with Joe Marler. That was


fantastic. All of the simple things. And Itoje, he is the most of


athlete. I stood next to him last week and he scared me. You mention


that, but I'm sure is scared of Ross Moriarty, because he cut him in


half. But him and Nathan Hughes, they both have the full brunt of


Moriarty's tackle, and we mention of the top on his sword to his salt


attrition mystified many. Talk to me about his contribution yesterday. He


has evolved into a genuine test animal. He is an old-fashioned sex.


A lot of these back rows are hybrid sixes and sevens. -- and old


fashioned six. He would've gone mental if that had been an


Englishman. What he does for us, he might not be in the game all the


time but he has big contributions that change momentum. He inspires


the team, getting the crowd in the team and changing the flow of the


match. We were all utterly confused as to why he was taken off


yesterday. Clearly, it was preplanned. They wanted Falatau on


even earlier. He has just made to enormous tackles, with a good run.


But hang on... He may not have another period in his career where


he is playing against England and smashing them. He has been taking


off. And you can see the frustration. Because it was Falatau.


I think that is the reason why. We know is quality and what he will


bring. At the end of the game, with all of that experience, he is just


phenomenal. But should you make that decision according to what you're


seeing? It is a telling point. I cannot believe that it is


preplanned. As a coach, you react to the game as it is unfolding in front


of you. Surely you do not take off a player who is hurting England every


which way, literally and figurative leap, and has got wheels on the


front foot? England could not believe their luck. Also, we all


know that Falatau is an outstanding number eight. But he has not played


since Christmas Eve so you replace arguably the most dynamic player


with somebody who has not played? But Falatau is world-class.


Absolutely world-class. If you are going to bring on anyone, you bring


him on. We had to pick man of the match yesterday, when he got taken


off we said, he is the man of the match. He was clearly the man of the


match. Irrespective of whether it was planned or not, we don't know.


It is all about the data. But for me, irrespective of the plans, you


do not take your best player off. And not only that, you look at the


work that Scott Williams did defensively. He was brilliant in


defence, and then they lost the momentum. Rhys Webb also, he was


controlling the game. Eddie Jones, when he brought on the finishers,


they did not seem to struggle. The energy levels, they did rise and if


you had to be critical of the Welsh team, it felt like when the


replacements came on it became more disjointed. It robs them of their


rhythm. That is it in microcosm. You agree that it was won or lost off


the pitch? I wouldn't say it was won or lost. They played with such


intensity, I do not think you could be expected to play for that long.


When England brought on fresh legs, we had to bring on replacements and


our replacements are not as good. But they didn't miss a trick when


substitutions were taken. They brought on one after 52 minutes,


nearly half an hour left to play. We agree with that. I am not saying


that, but you have to make some substitutions as the game goes on.


When you make them is the key decision. And that is what we


probably got wrong yesterday. The only substitute left on the bench


was Sam Davies and nobody is asking why he was not brought on, because


Dan Biggar had such a good game. He answered his critics.


He had a brilliant game. He was for man of the match, but you know what


he brings, 100% all the time, carrying it to George Ford, his


defence is incredible, right? His reading of the intercepts saved a


couple of tries. If you are picking down you know what you get, he will


never ever let you down. He is not the creative elements some day this


has got, so that again is selection and what you want to bring to the


game. Maybe it wouldn't have been fair to throw him on yesterday


because Wales were under the cosh. If we were in the ascendancy and


ball carrying with the momentum, that's when you throw him on. He


made a difference in Italy, I know they were dreadful but he made a


difference because he spots people, and that is a different player. He


is a tremendous talent. It perhaps would have been wrong to bring him


on yesterday because if it had gone wrong he was the person who didn't


quite make touch, and he would have been thrown under the bus. He is a


tremendous talent to have and it's exciting for Welsh rugby to see that


coming through. I want to stick on the topic of Dan Biggar because we


will now to speak to one who has won the Welsh number ten jersey with


pride and a fair bit of pressure no doubt. Let's chat about your mate,


Dan, he was phenomenal yesterday. He was outstanding. If you look at the


pressure he was under, whether Sam Davies would start, he has answered


his critics. I thought the interception would be the turning


point of the game but we lost the line-out. In attack you know what


you get with him. His hands were crisper yesterday, bringing Scott


Williams into the game. I thought he was outstanding and you have two


quality tends now competing for the shirt. On the sofa we Act like we


are surprised with Moriarty's performance but he was your


team-mate and we see that week in week out. He has been outstanding


all year for Gloucester and he just needed his opportunity. We have a


dilemma now, four into three don't go so it is a big call for the next


game, interesting to see how he goes. Have you spoken to any of the


boys? I have textured a few of them. They are all gutted -- sent a few


of. They review the video and see how close they were to beating a


quality England team. A lot of confidence to take into Scotland and


hopefully we can build on it and go forward. We will chat more later.


APPLAUSE. I don't think I have ever seen the


press room at the stadium as busy as yesterday, it was a genuine who's


crew of former international superstars and we caught up with a


fair few to get their verdict. I thought it was a fantastic


performance, probably one of the best I have seen from Wales for a


number of years, two or three notches higher. To me it was


reminiscent of the way we played in the World Cup when we had that never


say die attitude. We ask questions of them that haven't been asked in


the last 15 games. Let's face it, it was in Wales's hands, they were


fantastic 478 minutes. It looks as if Wales were trying to play with


more intent and free spirit, to create things get the ball wide or


change direction and just make things happen. They gave everything.


The conditions out there who are immense. It was so close and a great


opportunity to beat them. It must have been disappointing for Moriarty


to be taken off at the time he was. Obviously it was a preplanned move,


but you could have left him on, they were playing so well at the time.


Moriarty has grown into an international player. I thought that


was one of the turning points, Nathan Hughes in his pocket most of


the game and maybe unlucky to come at that point. England will be


battered and bruised this morning but if they go on to do things that


the World Cup they now have to win those big games away from home. I


thought the scrum wasn't as strong as spares, and the line-out we lost,


we lost composure, when Dan Biggar had the interception. They have been


a bit more creative this year, the Pratt platform, the scrum, the


line-out was good but it is always disappointed when you play against


England and lose. To win a game like that with a mistake, Jonathan Davies


missing that touch, I just feel for them. That ball needed to go off the


field. Get it off the field and rebuild. It came off the boot wrong


way and England were clinical. They did really well to have that


attacking option but certainly that ball goes into touch, we hold on for


the win. Alex Cuthbert couldn't quite get there. We question most


defensive mishaps but you have to applaud him and say well done for


getting there. There are other things you can take heart from. In


that respect it looks as if we are going in the right direction. At


long last! I'm going to come to you, Phil, on


the set piece. There were positives but we missed a few crucial


line-outs and scrums. What was your assessment on the battle up front. I


thought it was pretty good, the line-out perhaps suffered at the end


more when there was a communication issue and changes but I was more


impressed with England particularly at scrummage time because they


hadn't been scrummaging particularly well but Dan Cole and Joe Marler did


a great job. Look at the second rows, Launchbury, it is heavyweight.


In that sense they have been pleased because when you come to a bare


pitch like card if you need to do your basics. You talk about the


tries and the fancy stuff -- bearpit like Cardiff. Driving line-out play


from England was good as well. Always felt in control. I never felt


nervous at home watching it so credit to the guys for that. One


area Wales has undoubted supremacy was the breakdown, eight turnovers


against two. England's back row despite being good individuals were


inexperienced at test level. There were no jackals yesterday because


the referee allowed them to hold the ball on the floor so it was more


ripping the ball and the team did that well. Warburton pinched to


tackle area -- a tackle area. I think more it was the confrontation.


We were passive when they were good and then they we had that 15 minutes


of supremacy. We soaked it up then once we stood our ground and started


hitting them back that's when we were good. The back row debate will


be interesting. The best player so far, probably Moriarty, the


second-best, Warburton, then it becomes a decision between Fala


Tawau or Tipuric, Tipuric, man of the match against South Africa,


played very well this year. In the physical games I am sure he has


physicality to impact the game often enough early on, and perhaps he is a


bench player in those games. That question now is, shall we play the


two sevens, six and seven, that is gone. Moriarty six, Faletau is seven


or eight, then he has to make a call on the two sevens. Simple as that,


the balance is better, Moriarty, Faletau and that is job, he makes a


call. Let's discuss this in more depth as we look ahead to the next


game, team selection for that. The men's team as discussed didn't get


over the line against England despite the valiant effort. Let's


find out how the under 20s and women's team got on as well.


COMMENTATOR: They have had a lot of success with the kicking game.


Lovely kick over the top, Jones collect fund scores. That is a great


try from Wales. -- collect and scores. Good hands again by Butler


clearing away from the tackle, getting the ball away. Mercer with a


straight drive once again. Penalty given away by Wales. Then quickly


taken by Randall, and they don't need advantage because Harry


Randall, the former Wales under 16 captain, as England's first try.


England are full of running now, lovely ball to Mercer once again, it


gets the past. Bounces off tacklers. England have picked up the pace,


plenty of men going left, need to carry on the same way. Mullis gets


it away. The try comes to England. Mercer slips it. He is still going,


Mercer, all the way to the corner, pop it back inside to Bayliss! On


the try line. This could be the killer blow for England. Mercer


spins, reaches, and makes it! , COMMENTATOR: England looking to


create space in midfield, they could have an overlap, Waterman has Wilson


- Hardy outside her, Wilson Hardy is in, and has scored the first try,


third minute. Maclean and Hand combining yet again, Waterman has


Wilson- hardy outside her going for the corner, and using strength as


well, but just repulsed a couple of metres out, the try therefore


Danielle Waterman in the corner. Scott picks it up, still there, out


to Maclean, she has a Amy Wilson Hardy with a run for her second try.


Hunter brought down a couple of metres out. Can England get it wide


yet again? Maclean, out to Lydia Thompson, and that will be the


Worcester winger's hat-trick. Final score here than at Cardiff Arms


Park, Wales 0- 63 England. So a bitter pill to swallow for the


Wales winning team but they have fronted up tonight and are in the


house with Sean Holley. I have members of the 20s and the


women with me here, I commentated on both games, a tough day at the


office, and you are facing a professional outfit on fire on the


day. Yes, credit to England, they are professional and are also world


champions and played that way yesterday. They were outstanding. We


are disappointed with how we played and our performance but also credit


to the crowd, we had a great crowd and they kept us going till the end.


Good occasion, Sian, a lot of experience, in the England side,


what will you learn? Loads of experience from England, current


world champions with Olympians in there. Lots of experience. We came


second place in a lot of little battles which led to that result. We


will regroup and bounce back, and a lot of wrong is to put right so we


are looking forward to the next game. Scotland next, Rowland


Phillips has his hands full, what can we expect? We said after the


game we will not let one game define us and we will definitely pull


together. We are a really tight family, and going out to Scotland


will be tough because they are pretty decent this year, they are a


good team, but we will remain confident in our ability. Good luck


in Scotland, over as the 20s, Calum Bradbury and Shane Lewis Hughes.


Great atmosphere, big crowd and for a large amount of time you put


England under pressure. We are at standing at the beginning putting


the boys under big tackles, but we let ourselves down and conceded


three tries. We will bounce back and are looking forward to the next


game. It is a young squad against an experienced England side, what is


the feeling like in the camp? We are a young squad but very keen to learn


as individuals and team, and playing a team like England, it is a good


experience for us boys to take on, playing with such a packed crowd. It


is great but as you said it is a long way to go in the championship,


so still early days. Good luck to everybody for the next game, back to


you, Sarra. APPLAUSE.


I think it is worth mentioning that it may be 3-0 to England this


weekend, but two weeks ago Wales's deaf teen beat England 23-12 at


Sardis Road, so we have one. Well done. Shall we have some Pro12


action? Billy continued this weekend, all four Welsh regions


taking part and here are the highlights.


The Scarlets leapfrog Glasgow into fourth place with an impressive


victory. Despite the home side going headfirst the visitors fought back,


Tom Williams with the first of two tries. The second soon followed for


James Davies who proved the rock in defence.


Pro12 leaders Munster made it 14 wins in 15 games with a bonus point


victory over the Dragons in Cork. The men from Quins didn't help


themselves with this try. Conway gathers, the bounce is kind, and


Andrew Conway scores Munster's second try. It was the home team who


dominated proceedings. Rhona Nemani cutting through the Dragons defence


for Munster's sixth try and 45-17 victory. He in under the posts for


try number six and it is emphatic from Munster.


The Ospreys, currently second, ran in six tries against bottom of the


table Zebre despite being behind at half-time. This was Dan Evans's


first try. His second as he breezed their nonexistent Italian defence.


-- breezed through. His hat-trick came after Luke Price pass. The


final score in Italy, a convincing 40-10 win.


Connacht came from behind to beat Cardiff Blues at the Arms Park to


complete the league double over the Welsh region. It was the home side


that got the early lead, Nick Williams with his second try for the


region despite the decision going to the TMO. Matt Healy then took his


opportunity for the visitors just before half-time to close the gap,


having been left alone on the wing. In the dying minutes of the game,


Connacht had their opportunities to seal the win, but it was left to man


of the match I Halloran to secure the drop goal, although there was a


late penalty for the visitors as well. 19-13 the final score.


So here is the Pro12 table after 14 rounds of action. Munster remain top


of the pile following the big victory over the Dragons, the


Ospreys hot on their heels. Important as well, Scarlets leapfrog


Glasgow into fourth place, back into the play-offs, the Blues seven


despite the last-minute defeat to Connacht and the Dragons in tenth.


Back to Six Nations, and narrow win for France against Scotland in Paris


earlier this afternoon, so let's have a look at how the Six Nations


table looks after two rounds. Wales have dropped from top down to third


after the defeat, France moved to four, Scotland slipped to fifth, all


three teams on five points though, Ireland after their impressive


display in Rome go from this up to second and reigning champions


England top on eight points. One man who will be devastated by that


result in Paris this afternoon is former Scotland scrum-half Andy


Nichol, watching the game from Paris studio, and sent us his thoughts on


the final whistle-stop yellow Scotland can continue their


victorious start the RBS Six Nations after an attritional physical battle


in Paris. It was a huge French pack that dominated possession and field


position. Scotland showed great bravery and courage in defence but


couldn't stop the juggernaut that was the French team here. A good try


in the first for Scotland with Stuart Hogg again with his dazzling


feat many faces, then in the second a good bounce to the ball for Tommy


Seymour to set up Tim Swinson, but other than that they couldn't get a


foothold in the game just because of the physicality. Many injuries as


well, Greg Laidlaw off injured, John Barclay, John Barclay, John Hartley,


so in two weeks it will be Murrayfield. Wheels come off the


defeat to England at home, Scotland come off the defeat in Paris, but it


is always a great game when the Welsh come to Merrifield and I am


looking forward to it immensely already. Fighting talk at the end.


He was still smiling but ultimately Scotland's 18 year wait for a win in


Paris goes on, and as he mentioned they were outmuscled by that


enormous French pack. Some things never change. They were smart in the


way they beat Ireland and at one stage I thought that would continue


today. Controversial decision in this game, disallowing a try, what


is downward pressure, what isn't, I thought the try was good but it


wasn't given so probably on this occasion the best team won, but


Scotland- Ireland I thought was a great game, probably superseded in


terms of intensity by what England and Wales did yesterday, and I think


Scotland- Wales in two weeks will be another humdinger. What are we


making of this French side? You feel what the French need is continuity


in performance, and they seem to be getting that now. They have identity


back, the frustration of the French of recent years has been what are


they? The scrum is not great, they can't keep looking back but the


thing at the moment you can see if the embryonic stages of almost a


classic French team, big, powerful men running hard, aggressive ball


carrying, off-load, pace out wide, it is not particularly well groomed


all strategic, it looks chaotic, but you get excited when you watch the


French team. That is important because I feel they lost their


identity. The other game at the weekend, Italy- Ireland in Rome,


63-10, an absolute spanking, Ireland so furious after losing to Scotland


they would always take it out on the Italians, wouldn't they? They were.


We know Ireland are a good side. Probably put into context how good


Italy are as well. When you move them around to play with pace they


cannot cope with it. Conor O'Shea has an enormous job and it brings


into question whether Italy should play with Georgia to be in the Six


Nations, and the longer it continues to be totally one-sided, the fate of


Italian Rugby hands in the balance. That is an interesting point, the


relegation. I have strong views on this, I personally think us of the


game, Six Nations, whoever is in charge, someone somewhere with a


suit on, we have a responsibility with Italy to make things better and


help them, it is not just about writing cheques. We have gone


through two cycles of players now and are Italy's players better than


when they started? The answer is they are not so what are we doing is


going to help them? Italy were as bad yesterday as they have been at


any stage and when this man was in the England team and they were


winning by 80 they were not competitive, missed 37 tackles which


I think is more than England, Wales and Ireland missed between them. How


long do you give Italy? In Georgia, they are saying, how much more do we


have to do to get in? Promotion and relegation has to come sooner rather


than later but it should be loaded in favour of the Six Nations team.


If Wales or Scotland have a bad team -- season they should have the home


advantage, so if you don't win that you have no excuse to say they're


not good enough to continue. Let's look ahead to Scotland - Wales. I


will come back to you in a moment, Quinn, about the front row


configurations. You mentioned your concern about the continued lack of


creativity, Jonathan. The reconfigure the field or the


half-backs partnership? Scott Williams was brilliant yesterday and


Jonathan Davies had one of his better games for Wales, he hasn't


played well for the region but he had a very good game yesterday. They


have improved. The question is, how can you work the 10-12 axis. The


only way is maybe picking a ten in 12 positions. You have Owain Fon


Williams, maybe Dan Biggar there because he is big enough to play on


the 12 position. That is the only thing. We just need the composure


and the creativity to get over the line. Would you do that for


Scotland? It is difficult, where do you start Sam, it is still very


difficult with Scotland- Ireland and France coming up -- Scotland,


Ireland and France, big matches. It is a tough call. Unless I am in the


training camp I don't know if I would do it. Look at the England


scenario before the game yesterday, Jack Leopard coming in, you don't


get a bigger game than Wales away, should he or shouldn't he play --


Jack Clifford. We didn't mention his name but it was his big game. My


point is that some point if Wales are to change players... I think


they needed 10-12, whether Scott Williams or Dan Biggar, Owen


Williams and Sam Davies. Unfortunately training that is the


one element that is missing and the important one to get over the try


line. We were a huge step forward yesterday in terms of being


generally more of a threat. I wouldn't change too much after that,


I take your point we need to score more tries. In the 10-12 stuff, I


wouldn't be surprised if England move Fallon into ten. I used to


watch Ti'o play in Australia, he is brilliant, but they have had


Tuilagi, had they had him, maybe they wouldn't have fallen on Ford


because he is a big fan of him. He is familiar with the Australian way


of playing. Eddie George likes the footballing commendation. Scott


Williams has been the most creative world centre for about four years


now and again he was taken off, would presumably be able to keep


going, though what scares me is the fee -- about the future is the


paucity of alternatives. Rout Rob Howley picked seven or eight


uncapped players and I thought none would feature in the Six Nations,


and you'd think, is that window dressing? I think... I will not


blame Cuthbert, he was taken out by the perfection of Farrell's pass, so


I will not criticise Alex but I would have picked Evans yesterday.


In the full-back position, I know they picked Halfpenny because of the


defensive qualities and the running. OK, so when we defend, put Leigh


Halfpenny at full-back, when we attack, swap smoker, we did with


Paul Thorburn and Adrian Evans so it is not difficult, is it? What


worries you most about this Scotland site? Fin wrestle a couple of weeks


ago was talking about the feed Vern Cotter gives them to play. That is


presumably a daunting prospect. Scotland have always competed up


front, always. They kicked their goals. The one thing lacking for


over a decade is the cutting edge behind. Now they have that. That is


a problem. They will score tries, with Finn wrestle and Stuart Hogg,


they will create things. That means we will have to score as well to


beat them. That is the problem, they have confidence from the Glasgow


side, creativity, freedom given by Townsend and Cotter, so they will


look at Wales and say, we will win. Gents, we have to leave it there,


thank you for your time. Jonathan Davies everyone, Gwyn Jones, Peter


dextran and Phil Nicholls. APPLAUSE. Thanks to be under 20s, the women


and Sean Holley, that's all we have time for this evening I am afraid


that if you want more there is a Facebook Live after the programme


with James Hook and Sean Holley. An epic weekend, a titanic tussle in


Cardiff, a humdinger of a game, Wales had to settle per second best


this time. We will see you next week.


CHEERING. APPLAUSE. It's amazing how many people


still remember him as "David Parry-Jones,


the voice of rugby in Wales." If I wasn't here,


of course he'd be in a care home. And, really,


I can't see him in a care home. Beti George asks if more can be done


for couples like them. There really needs to be


a revolution in dementia care.


Jonathan Davies, Gwyn Jones, Peter Jackson, Phil Vickery and Sean Holley look back at Wales v England and the rest of the weekend's action.

Presented by Sarra Elgan and Ross Harries.