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Gary Lineker meets Mark Hughes

Host Gabby Logan is joined by Danny Murphy and comedian Justin Moorhouse, while Gary Lineker has a sit down with his old Barcelona teammate and Stoke manager Mark Hughes.


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Welcome to the Premier League show, back after a short winter break.

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Joining me this week to reflect on the big stories are an uneasy

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alliance of former Liverpool midfielder Danny Murphy and comedian

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and Manchester United fan Justin Moorhouse. Gary Lineker travels to

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Stoke to meet up with his old Barcelona team-mate Mark Hughes. We

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hear from Paul Pogba ahead of Manchester United against Liverpool.

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We look at the anatomy of a rivalry and we reflect on the passing of a

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legend. Talk to him. Why we have been on a hiatus, football hasn't,

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is what has been going on in Premier League. Another defeat. Link WSDL

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Palace. Alan Pardew has been sacked as manager. Mkhitaryan, what a

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finish that is. Brilliantly put away by Pedro. No matter how we start

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again, we find a way to go down and pay the price. Could this be another

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one? It is. It is a goal. A 13th consecutive win. We are proud.

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Headed in Elliot Lee. -- brilliantly. Dele Alli. Dele Alli

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gets his second of the game. Basically killed us, a big mistake.

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Fernandinho, it is a red card. You are the journalist, not me. Marco

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Silvestri is the new Hull boss. -- Marco Silva. If he was to leave, I

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would be angry. It is 2-0. Welcome, we have managed to find a cosy spot

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not far from Craven Cottage, your old stomping ground, just round the

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corner from Stamford Bridge as well. Things wobbled after the 13 match

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winning run over the Christmas period. It all came to an end at

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White Hart Lane. Thankfully for the Premier League. For the

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competitiveness of it. It did, what a performance it was from Tottenham.

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I thought they were fantastic. They showed in that performance and the

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one against Manchester city that they will be competing as well. From

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back to front, they were brilliant. Dele Alli, for his age, keeps

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amazing us with those brilliant conformance is and the goals he is

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now scoring. Well done Spurs and the title race is on again. They didn't

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start the season with the same meant from a team that came so close last

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season. They seem to be getting into their stride now. Some great young

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players. I agree with everything, he said they are good back to front, I

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think they are better front to back to be honest. You have not brought

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me in for the expert analysis. I think every neutral wanted that gap

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to be maintained at three or four points, not extending to six or

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eight points. As a fan it has been fascinating watch Chelsea march on

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and grind out results like they used to. But they won 13 games on the

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bounce and were only six points clear. Which shows the quality of

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the top six. You could put everybody's top four is in that top

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six. It is the familiar top six. Last year was clearly a blip, no one

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outside the top six is thinking they can break in easily, money talks. It

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does. The quality that has been brought in and the new managers and

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the money that has been spent. The brilliant thing is you will get

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these six teams playing each other. So many games to look forward to in

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the next couple of months. The games between the top sides have already

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been entertaining. No bigger coming up at the weekend than Liverpool and

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United. You do feel that it is hard to predict the top six encounters.

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Chelsea against Manchester city, Man City can lose, even with Guardiola.

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That gives it a wonderful competitive edge. City did win ten

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games on the bounce but they are still in the top six after a blip.

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You would be hard-pressed to think anyone would think this would be not

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the top six at the end of the season. I think United could have a

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significant impact on the top six. In the summer of 1986, Barcelona

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boss Terry Venables signed Mark Hughes and Gary Lineker to be his

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new look front line. 30 years later, Gary has travelled to slightly less

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exotic Stoke to catch up with his old strike partner.

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Hello young man. I've only come for the weather, beautiful. I think you

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are winning on the great front. And the beard actually. Not seen you for

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a while. When not kids any more. Mark, it is over 30 years, July 1986

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was when we signed for Barcelona. I have a few snippets and clips to

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have a look at. I will leave you to translate.

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"Barcelona Manager at Terry Gornell is assigned to English strikers to

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boost is teams campaign." I was a young 23, in years and probably

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attitude to life. It was hard work for me. I think your attitude helped

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you succeed better than I did. My debut coming up. Lineker and Hughes

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helped make it a winning start for Terry Venables. I remember it

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because I scored after two minutes. Usual, three yards out. Based a

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career on it. Your personality and how you was as a player. He is off

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with a red card. And how you are off the field is entirely different. You

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were a very aggressive footballer. And you are quite a calm and

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laid-back individual, especially for a manager. I'm never going to be

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life and soul of the party. At times, yes. I have two distinct

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personalities, as a player I was completely different. Maybe that's

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how I was able to express myself as a person more readily than maybe off

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the field. I think this role tests you. It makes you do things and

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takes you out of your comfort zone. To stand in front of 25 grown men

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and make them believe what you are saying is true. Do you ever lose it

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in front of those 25 individuals? What do you think? We had Terry

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Venables as coach of course. He was great, I liked him as a guy and he

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knew the game very well. He knows this is his responsibility. The

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translator gave him a terrible time. You get to that four yards, but the

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brakes on and when you shop him, go again. He is actually talking about

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forward pressing which is interesting. Clearly you have

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completely switched off there, I am not far behind you there. Gary has

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the angle to cut that off. He was head of the time, we talk about the

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high press now. Sylla macro it is interesting to see what they say.

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When you see someone like Terry working, you forget about what

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happened when you under his tutelage. That looks a bit of a mess

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really. Goes around the goalkeeper and makes it 4-1. I worked with a

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few managers, interesting to see how they all very in how they approach

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defeats, does it affect your mood badly over the weekend if you lose

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on Saturday? It shapes your week. One quality I've got that I'm

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grateful for is that when I get home, I can shut the door and I can

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switch off. My experience with other managers is that it is quite rare. I

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don't toss and turn in bed thinking about formations, that is something

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I am grateful for, not many managers have that. You used to live there.

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That was my good lady. This is after you scored that hat-trick. Against

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real Madrid. What do you miss most? They would ring me every Sunday

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afternoon to make me feel better. Saying they are having a pint. You

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had trials and should relations. At Barcelona and Bayern Munich, did it

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help you nowadays because you get so many foreign players when you are

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managing. Without a shadow of a doubt. Going back to those

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experiences helps me when I'm speaking to players here. I use it

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when I try to acquire good players. It is always useful to say that you

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have played for Barcelona and Bayern Munich. They can't a member me

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playing but they checked Google to see if I am telling the truth.

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That is my attitude, completely the wrong way to embrace the culture of

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another country. I regret to this day that I didn't break it. When you

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go abroad, you have to go with the mindset that you want to stay there

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as long as you can. If you do that, you can be successful and give

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yourself time to understand different cultures and languages and

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you can get a better experience. My attitude was to do it for a couple

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of years and see how I go and then get back home. At Stoke you have

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been in the top ten for three years running, do you get the credit you

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deserve for that? You had to change the style of play as well?

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Bill-macro it is not for me to say. That is what it is. As a club, to

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get ninth for three seasons running is an unbelievable result. Did you

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think you were unfairly treated at Manchester city? Big-money was

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coming in and they wanted a big name from somewhere else. To be must be

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thinking you would have won all sorts of things. It was always going

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to happen. I was close to being fired on three occasions, I was

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unaware of the first two but then I finally had a bad result. They will

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always going to replacement, I always understood that. I probably

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lasted longer than they thought I was going to. I take that as a

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positive. Spanish guys talking... This should

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be interesting! Show we stop there? -- shall we stop there? Nothing

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changes, does that! Everyone has a view! Everyone knows best! What is

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the best that Stoke City can do? If you look at the top six as it stands

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that is difficult. The best would be to do a Leicester. Perhaps to win

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that middle league. We are talking top six and there's a gap to

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seventh, why can't we be seventh? And on any given year when things

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fall in place maybe we can get into the top six and see where that takes

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us. Certainly we should always look to be an established top tens side

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which is what I I got this job, I felt there was potential in the club

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but year on year on year it is and more difficult. -- it is getting

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more and more difficult. It is great to see you again. I wish you well.

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You're doing quite well, well done! I lurve the use of archive footage,

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looking back on those early days and Barcelona. You played under him at

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full, what is he like as a bloke? I got on with him really, really well.

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Good sense of humour, stern when he wants to be, he has a bit of a

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temper, there's no doubt about that, stands back in the training, lets

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Eddie and Mark get on with it, come in when he wants to make a point,

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likes to join in and show off his volleying techniques. He was great

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with me. You've got to work hard for him. He demands a hell of a lot. You

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can see that with his Stoke team and he has done really well to move them

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forward while playing in a bit of a different way, credit to him, he's

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done a good job. We've talked of the top six and if you look at the next

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band of clubs he has cemented stoke there, they've finished ninth in the

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last three seasons. It's difficult for teams like Stoke. There is not

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that much it is Stoke. They are not the... I've got a theory, Danny will

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probably pooh-pooh it but it is hard. To do better than they will

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ever do. Because people say, Johnny foreigner has come in, he's done it

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at Real Sociedad but can he do it on a wet Wednesday at Stoke? So every

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Carlos Bacca Ball who comes in house to raise their game at Stoke! And as

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a compliment to him, I've done it on Tuesday and Wednesday and it's hard

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work! Actually the budget has gone up and they've brought in a better

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quality player, in terms of Arnautovic, and Bojan. I think they

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are doing as well as they will ever do. He said seventh. It feels odd

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seeing someone like Mark Hughes who was so competitive and played for

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the very best, having to almost concede that he cannot win the

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league. It's probably practical and good for Stoke. If they finished

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seventh, possibly six, I think that's what they look for. You would

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have to ask a Stoke fan but I think they are a very well-run club. They

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make the best of... What other club in the world deliberately don't fill

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the corners in to make it windy in the stadium? Just to make it more

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difficult to play! I know that you are both looking forward to this,

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Manchester United face Liverpool this Sunday and who better to get us

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in the mood for this and the world's most expensive player? COMMENTATOR:

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What a header by Paul Pogba. Brilliant strike.

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How is life back at Manchester United, how would you describe it?

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Life is good, we enjoy it, every moment. Just enjoy it. Is it

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everything you thought it would be? I knew it would be like that. The

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weather didn't change! One say Manchester United versus Liverpool

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at Old Trafford does that sent a shiver down your spine? The history

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of Liverpool and Manchester United, big derby, more than Manchester City

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I think because the way you feel, the atmosphere is more. I want to

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win, I want three points. It is good to win three points against Stoke

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City, any team in the league, doing even better, it is better when you

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win three points against Liverpool because it is the Derby communal.

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Hear more from Paul Pogba on football focus on Saturday. Before

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this week's game we asked Ivo Graham for his unique take on rivalries.

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# Life is a struggle, baby you've got to choose... #.

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As a football fan nothing set the pulse racing like the phrase Clash

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of titans. The beautiful thing about the Premier League, the greatest

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league in the world trademark, is that you loads of these every

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weekend. This Sunday we are gearing up for the most heavily hyped title

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clash of all, Manchester United against Liverpool. We came, we saw,

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we kicked their backside! I should say early doors that I'm a neutral

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for this one. Both clubs have attracted a good few glory hunters

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over the years mainly because they've had more glory than anyone

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else, Liverpool, 19 years leading up to my birth, Manchester United the

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22 years leading up to the loss of my virginity. Oh yes, I was one of

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those cheering them on while clutching my copy of one of the most

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confusingly narrated sports memoirs of all time. But then I started

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something that would cause an even more pain than their emission of May

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from the squad, my long-time relationship with my home team,

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Swindon Town. In the years I've been following them they've slipped down

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the division weathermen excitement now comes from Brussels with the

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Auld enemy, Oxford United in the a 24 Derby. Police are hunting for

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vandals who broke into the Oxford ground on the weekend and burned the

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initials of their rivals into the ground. It is never we hate Reading,

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it is always, we hate Oxford. I hate the Derby but I would say that

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because we always lose. You have to tell yourself it doesn't matter, we

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are to clap teams linked by one clap Rd, it does not matter who gets the

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come, we are both still bored. That's the thing about lower league

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derbies, passionate and Betty. Something to boast about apart from

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having the most famous miniature roundabout complex in the UK. Of

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course I will watch Manchester United against Liverpool this

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weekend, it is the big one, both great teams trying to knock each

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other of some nonspecific perch. But in three weeks' time and fifth

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February I'll be here, at the County Ground for my own personal big one,

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Swindon versus Oxford, the clash of the non-Titans, not about who is the

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best but who is the worst. All of the hatred, none of the hope. At the

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very least, please let us get a draw! You will be relieved to know

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I'm not going to ask you anything about these and- Oxford rivalry but

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there's a big rivalry this weekend on the hotly anticipated much

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always, Liverpool versus Manchester United and you have special memories

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of playing in these games. How long have you got? Strap yourselves in.

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He'll be dining out on his three goals a game. I know you are never

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asked about them! Old Trafford became a fantastic place for me for

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many reasons, I made my England debut there, but the winners I got

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for Liverpool there were always special, growing up as a Liverpool

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fan. The second came from a selfish point of view, the late winner. The

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previous couple of games I hadn't been playing very well and that kind

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of turned things around a bit for me, coming off at the end, the

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supporters, and Stevie was the captain for the night, personally

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that meant a lot to me. And the first that the club, United have

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been so successful, ten years we hadn't won at Old Trafford and that

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first one kind of put that to bed. We did OK against them. It is my

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best memory of playing football, going there and winning games,

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because of the fact that they were the best. If you try to rationalise

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this to someone who is not a football fan and doesn't understand,

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would they think this logical, there are other teams, why focus on them?

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It's almost always about these two periods in history,

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the dominance of the teams and it will never change, that intense

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dislike. I grew up watching football in the late 19th 70s and the early

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1980s and Liverpool were the best team in the country and in Europe,

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for periods, and they were close enough to us to be almost a derby

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rival but far enough away that you did not know many of them, which was

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thankful! You said you grew up! When Fergie came in 1986, that was his

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thing, his job, he was going to knock them off their perch, that was

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a clarion call to us, and do you know we are over obsessed with

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Liverpool and they are over obsessed with United. Your big memory? Live

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and John O'Shea scoring the winner at the Kop in the 90th minute. I

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heard afterwards that Gary Neville hoped him and whispered to him, you

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have stolen my dream. And that dream was my dream and the dream of every

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kid who grew up wanting to be a Manchester United manner, to score

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the winning goal at the Kop in the 90th minute. Does it carry on until

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the next time you meet? It wasn't until about to stick you have to

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wait until the area has been evacuated! -- it wasn't until about

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Tuesday that I could leave! I know a view Liverpool fans. Why do some

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outreach work! You can confers with them once you've got over the

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language barrier and you have stopped showing off about use, they

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are all right. And now we have these two great characters, Jose Mourinho

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and Jurgen Klopp, it means a lot to them, they get their history. They

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both love the game. You can feel that question. It's like having a

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fan on the touchline. Jurgen Klopp is the Liverpool manager but I like

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the way he's immersed himself into the culture of the club. Both have

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immersed into the club the type of player with a from. When I was

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growing up is still had Jamie Carragher and Michael Owen and

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United always had Gary and Phil Neville, Ryan Giggs, it's not all

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about that but some sort of resemblance to the supporters goes a

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long way, I think. It is lost a little in terms of that but it is

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still a huge game and one that is massively important in terms of the

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Premier League. One thing, Win, lose or draw I've never enjoyed one of

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them. I have an them all. You never enjoy them, they are horrible games.

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That's the point of being a fan. It's like playing, you only enjoy it

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when you finish. And score the winner. That's all from us, big

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thanks to Danny and Justin, let's look at the weekend, Tottenham kick

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us off on Saturday with the early visit to West Brom, three games

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featuring teams from the bottom five before faltering Leicester City take

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on Chelsea. On Sunday its Manchester versus Merseyside beginning with

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Everton against City before Manchester United take on Liverpool.

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And today the sad news reached us that the former England manager

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Graham Taylor has died aged 72. After a playing career in the lower

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divisions he began his managerial career at Lincoln City and had

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spells at Aston Villa, walls and the national team but it was with

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Watford where he had extraordinary success, taking them from the old

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fourth division to the top flight and guiding them to the 1984 FA Cup

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final. Spell at Watford was probably the best of my managerial career. It

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was fantastic. I think that I've got qualities as regard coaching. I

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think that is what I ought to be doing. I've always had admiration

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for him. People come to be entertained, to be excited. Nowhere

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does that action take place. Cheers. I've got an 83-year-old

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mother-in-law that wants his autograph. You can get a position

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that Gary Lineker has got, now the captain of his country, but you must

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keep working hard. It is a game for the man on the terraces, a game to

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excite the people. The sound of hitting the football thrilled me.

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Now my playing career is over and I'm fortunate that I'm a manager and

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I would like to remain one, simply so I can hear a football being

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struck.

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