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Hello. Good morning.

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This is Breakfast, with Dan Walker

and Louise Minchin.

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Two men are due in court accused

of a plot to kill the Prime

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Minister.

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The alleged plan was to target

Theresa May while she was at

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Downing Street, bombing the security

gates before launching a knife

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attack in the confusion

that would follow.

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Good morning.

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It's Wednesday

the sixth of December.

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Also this morning:

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President Trump breaks with decades

of American policy on Israel.

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The White House says

he will formally recognise Jerusalem

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as its capital, and will move the US

embassy there from Tel Aviv.

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Wildfires tear through

Southern California as thousands

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of people are forced

to flee from their homes.

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Christine Keeler, the former model

at the centre of the Profumo

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scandal, has died at the age of 75.

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We'll look back at her life.

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Good morning.

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Over a third of us are popping

Christmas on credit this year,

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and over two million people

are almost constantly

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in their overdraft.

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I'm looking at festive finances,

and not blowing your budget.

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Good morning. But not if you are an

English cricket fans.

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In sport, England go

two down in the Ashes.

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Their batsmen are blown away

by Australia in less than two hours

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on the final day in Adelaide.

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And Carol has the weather for us

this morning. And she's feeling

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festive. Good morning.

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Good morning from winter wonderland

in Hyde Park in London. This is the

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most photographed part. It is mild

today. Cloudy and wet and windy in

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the north. And then the weather

really changes. I will have the

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details in 15 minutes. Thank you!

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Good morning.

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First, our main story:

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Two men are due to appear in court

today, accused of a plot to kill

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the Prime Minister.

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Both suspects were

detained last month.

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Andy Moore reports.

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Number 10 Downing St, the target of

an alleged Islamist plot to kill the

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Prime Minister that it is understood

the allegations were they tried to

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blow up the gate to Downing Street

and in the ensuing chaos, launch a

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knife attack against Theresa May.

Two men have been charged with

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terrorism offences. One is 20 and

the other is 21. Andrew Parker, the

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head of MI5, briefed the Prime

Minister and the cabinet yesterday

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about nine alleged Islamist terror

plots that have been foiled since

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March this year. In the House of

Commons, the Home Secretary said

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police would have the money they

needed.

We will shortly be

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announcing the budgets for policing

for 2017-18, and I am clear that we

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must ensure counterterrorism

policing has the resources needed to

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deal with the threats that we face.

Yesterday, a report into the four

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terror attacks in the UK this year

said some of those who carried them

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out were known to the security

services. It suggested it was

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conceivable the Manchester Arena

attack which killed 22 people could

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have been stopped. 15-year-old

Olivia Campbell Hardy was one of

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those victims. The grandfather said

he was not blaming the security

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services.

They will do the best they

can with the information they have

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got and gather, assess it

themselves, assess the situation,

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make decisions, and act on it.

The

security services say the level of

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threat remains unprecedented, with

over 500 active counter terror

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investigation. Andy Moore, BBC News.

-- investigations.

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We'll be speaking to the security

specialist, Will Geddes,

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to get his thoughts on this story.

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That's at 6:20.

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There's increasing pressure

on the government to get Brexit

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negotiations back on track

after an intervention

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by Northern Ireland's Democratic

Unionist Party stalled

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talks in Brussels.

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The Irish border may be

the key sticking point,

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but divisions in the Conservative

Party are further complicating

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matters for the Prime Minister.

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Our political correspondent,

Leila Nathoo, is in Westminster this

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morning.

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Good morning.

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At the start of this week,

the Prime Minister appeared poised

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to move Brexit talks into the second

stage but that fell apart.

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How soon can we now expect

things to get going?

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If you think back to Monday when

Theresa May went to Brussels for her

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big lunch, all the signs were that

there was going to be a bit of

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last-minute wrangling. But broadly,

we were there on sorting out the

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main divorce bill matters, the

money, the rights of citizens here

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and abroad, and the tricky issue of

the Irish border, how that will look

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after Brexit, what will be the UK's

land frontier with the EU after we

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leave. But what Theresa May offered,

on the table, on the Irish border

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issue, to try to give the EU happy,

to keep Ireland happy, was a

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continued mirroring of rules and

standards in Northern Ireland,

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broadly mirroring those of the EU

after Brexit. And we now know that

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that, at the 11th hour, was

unacceptable, that came as a shock

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to Theresa May's coalition,

unofficial coalition partners, the

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DNP, the party she relies upon to

keep a majority in Parliament. --

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DUP. And they pulled the plug on

that proposal at the 11 hour, saying

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they would never accept something

that would make Northern Ireland

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different, or a standout from the

rest of the UK. Be so Theresa May

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has come back empty-handed on

Brussels. She came back to cries of

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compromising from her own party and

claims of being ineffective from the

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Labour Party. We know the right

channels open between the parties.

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The signs at the moment seem to be

that she is no closer towards

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getting something together to take

to Brussels to get talks to move on

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the trade. As the EU said, the ball

is very much in the court of the UK.

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Thank you. Quite a few days ahead on

that.

I think we will continue on

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that. That is the general feeling.

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The White House says President Trump

is to break with decades of American

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policy on Israel and is to recognise

Jerusalem as the capital

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of Israel.

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He's expected to direct

the State Department to begin

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the process of moving the US embassy

there from Tel Aviv,

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a process which may

take several years.

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But Arab leaders earlier warned

against moving the embassy,

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saying it would be "a flagrant

provocation to Muslims."

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Our North America correspondent,

Peter Bowes, reports.

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Donald Trump is venturing

into uncharted territory.

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The President will recognise

Jerusalem as the capital of Israel,

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making the US

the first country to

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do so since the foundation

of the state in 1948.

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He's already indicated he intends

to move the American Embassy

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to Jerusalem from Tel Aviv,

and he's informed regional leaders

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of his plans.

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The reaction has been heated.

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Palestinian leader, Mahmoud Abbas,

has warned of dangerous consequences

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for the peace, security

and stability of the region

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and of the world.

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Jordan's King Abdullah said

the decision would undermine efforts

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to renew the peace process

and provoke Muslims.

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Saudi Arabia's King Salman told

Mr Trump the relocation

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of the embassy or recognition

of Jerusalem as Israel's capital

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would constitute a flagrant

provocation of Muslims

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all over the world.

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The status of Jerusalem goes

to the heart of Israel's conflict

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with the Palestinians.

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Political observers say

the President's treading a fine

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line between acknowledging

a historic reality and alienating

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Palestinians.

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Israel's intelligence minister has

said the country is preparing

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for every

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option, including an

outbreak of violence.

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US citizens have been warned

by the State Department to ignore

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areas with crowds.

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Peter Bowes, BBC News.

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There are warnings from charities

this morning that people are facing

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Russia has been banned

from competing at next year's winter

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Olympics in South Korea

following an investigation

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into state-sponsored doping

at the Sochi Games four years ago.

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The International Olympic Committee

issued the punishment yesterday,

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but said Russian athletes who can

prove they are clean will be allowed

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to compete, under a neutral flag.

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We can talk now to our Moscow

correspondent Steve Rosenberg

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for the latest.

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What has the reaction been till it a

feeling of deep disappointment mixed

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with outrage and a sense of

injustice. They say it is a

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humiliation and insults to Russia. A

prominent figure skating trainer has

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said they have murdered Russian

sport. They say it is a punch in the

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stomach.

The Russian government

paper does not hold back. It says by

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preventing Russian athletes from

performing with their flag and

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national anthem, they are speaking

in our face. Strong words in Russia.

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Absolutely. Thank you very much

indeed. Thank you.

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The winner of this year's

prestigious Turner Prize

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was announced in Hull last night.

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Lubaina Himid has become both

the oldest winner and the first ever

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woman of colour to take the award.

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The 63-year-old artist

was born in Zanzibar,

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but is now based in Preston,

and uses her work to address racial

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politics and the legacy of slavery.

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She says she will spend the money on

shoes. A nice way to spend it.

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Congratulations to her. That would

be a nice pair of shoes.

I am sure

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she will help other artists as well.

Shall we tell you the news about the

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Ashes?

It is all over. I will tell

you straight. It is all over. It is

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like taking off a plaster. It is all

over the if you went to bed

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expecting some miraculous victory...

I had a little hope. We were naive.

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I am incredibly optimistic, but that

is always my downfall.

Some England

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fans were, but it was not meant to

be. Or just was not at all...

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England are 2-0 down.

The

Australians win the second test by

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120 runs.

It is obviously very

disappointing. I thought the way we

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responded, umm, both with ball and

bad in the second innings was

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outstanding. Especially the way we

played last night, in those

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conditions. -- bat. I thought we

showed a lot of character. That is

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what you want to see in a big series

like this. Finding a way to do it

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for longer periods of time and doing

it over five days, that is all we

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have to do now.

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Chelsea could face Barcelona

or Paris St Germain in the next

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round after a 1-1 draw

with Atletico Madrid sees them take

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second place in their group.

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Manchester United topped their group

after beating CSKA Moscow.

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And Scottish champions Celtic go

through to the Europa League,

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despite losing 1-0 to Anderlecht.

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Celtic finish third in Group B

on goal difference.

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Five-time champion,

Ronnie O'Sullivan,

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is through to the last 16

of Snooker's UK Championships

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after thrashing Michael White

by six frame to one.

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The victory takes him a step closer

to matching Steve Davis's record

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of six UK titles.

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And apparently, Ronnie O'Sullivan

wants to go into I Am A Celebrity

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next year. Perhaps Amir Khan

inspired him. Cold temperatures on

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their way.

Good morning.

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I am in Hyde Park in London. If you

want to enjoy Christmas, this is a

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good place to come. The biggest

outdoor ice rink in the UK. It will

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be -10. A good 20 degrees lower. If

you are coming down, you will need

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to wrap up warmly. I will reveal

more through the morning. Today will

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be exceptionally mild. Wet and windy

weather coming in across the north

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of the country. Cloudy and mild for

much of the rest of the UK. We start

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the forecast this morning at nine

o'clock. Wet in the north-west of

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Scotland. Windy. At the moment, a

bit of a lull. A windy day

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generally. The east and south of

Scotland, mostly dry. North-west

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England, a few showers coming out of

the thickest cloud this morning. The

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north-east, bright skies. South, the

Midlands, down towards the south

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coast, a lot of cloud. Again, the

Kienast here and there, mostly on

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the hills, for the odd shower. --

the thickest. You can see the

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temperatures at nine o'clock, 12

degrees. Across Wales this morning,

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cloudy. Some bright breaks. Equally,

showers on the hills. Northern

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Ireland, you have a wet start and

also a windy one. Now, as we go

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through the course of the day, what

will find it a wet and windy weather

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across the north will slowly move

south-east. The strongest winds will

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be across the north of Scotland. But

it is going to be a windy day really

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wherever you are. And we will see

some holes developing in the cloud.

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Locally in the south-east it could

be 14. Now, as we had to the evening

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and overnight, the wind does

strengthen. In fact, it strengthens

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a lot. Gales in the west. A cold

night. By the end of the night, we

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have Storm Caroline on our doorstep

bringing strong winds. Snow showers

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in the north-west, even at lower

levels. That is how we start

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tomorrow, with Storm Caroline in the

north. Again, it is moving east

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across the north of Scotland. Snow

at lower levels. Blizzard

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conditions. Meanwhile, rain moving

quickly to the south-east of England

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accompanied by strong winds. Behind

that, bright skies. The wind will be

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strong, even in the low lens during

the rush-hour. If you have plans

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strong, even in the low lens during

the rush-hour. If you have plans

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tomorrow, keep up with the forecast.

Friday morning, snow showers at

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lower levels in Northern Ireland,

part of Scotland, north-west

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England, Manchester area, and

through the course of the day, you

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will find further snow showers flown

in on the wind. Getting quite far

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inland at times. Equally, sunshine

around. That leads us into Friday.

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We are not immune to snow showers

coming in. Dry weather around as

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well. It will feel cold, especially

compared today. You will notice it

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big drop in the temperatures. We are

not done with the snow yet. Further

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showers. On Sunday, you can see a

lot of snow, so be careful driving

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from the Midlands northwards. The

timing is open to question. But I

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want to place that thought in your

mind at this stage. Back to you. I

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am riding my bike 50 miles. It does

not look good.

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am riding my bike 50 miles. It does

not look good. Thanks very much! 50

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miles, that isn't a bike ride!

It is

a fun bike ride.

One mile would be a

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fun bike ride!

It is 52 actually!

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Let's take a look at today's papers.

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The Daily Mirror, the story we are

leading with, the alleged terror

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plot to kill Theresa May. Two men

are due in court today after police

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foiled a plan to bomb Downing Street

and they've also got a story about

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the man who writes the gags for Ant

and Dec on I'm A Celebrity. Is very

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good and they are very funny. The

front page of the Sun -- he's very

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good. The Daily Telegraph talks

about MI5 foiling this Islamist

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terror plot to kill Theresa May, we

will have the details through the

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morning. Wheat will talk to a terror

expert shortly. Lots of the papers

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carrying pictures of Christine

Keeler -- we will. She died

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yesterday and they are looking at

her impact on government. You will

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remember the Profumo affair,

featured in that film, Scandal, we

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will talk to one of the directors

involved in that. Such a famous

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picture. The Ministry of Defence

bands Philip Hammond for using its

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planes, this is a row with the

Chancellor escalating over an unpaid

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bill. Another picture of Christine

Keeler. Not the picture most of the

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papers have gone for with the chair.

The chair is now in a museum, it is

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so famous.

I didn't know that.

My

goodness, something you didn't know!

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Mark it down in the book!

It is a

first to be honest!

There's a lot of

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things I don't know! On the front

page of the Mail they are

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celebrating their front-page.

We

were talking to the UN boss of

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oceans yesterday about plastic. Lot

at our excellent front-page! They

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are talking about the conference in

Kenya about the future of the planet

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in regards to plastic.

A huge

talking point and Blue Planet II has

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brought that to the forefront with a

huge series on plastic in the sea

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and David Attenborough went

editorial on it.

My family is from

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Kenya, your suitcase gets

completely... It is really difficult

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because you have to take every

single bit of plastic out. You have

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to think about it.

What about your

security plastic bag?

Everything,

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everything.

Steph, shall we start

with you?

I'm going to talk about

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trains because we found out

yesterday that rail passengers will

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be facing a fairly "Is in fares.

They are saying ticket prices will

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go up 3.4% on average -- a fairly

big increase in fares. It's below

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wage rises so this is unfair they

say, considering the fact official

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figures show one in nine trains it

was late last year. Not great news

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about rail tickets. -- one in nine

trains was late last year. Have you

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ever sat in a quiet carriage on the

train?

Often.

The worst thing you

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can do is open a bag of crisps. That

happened to me and I got told off

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for eating Monster Munch, other

flavours are available.

What

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flavour?

Pickled onion. That could

have been the reason! They are

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thinking about getting rid of them

on trains, south-western Railways

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are thinking about getting rid of

them because it is the key to keep

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people quiet. The thing I found most

interesting about this is there's a

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society called the Noise Abatement

Society and they are fuming about

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this.

I'm a big fan of the quiet

carriage and on Virgin Trains they

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said you can talk because there's

been discussion about that.

But you

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feel guilty, don't you?

It's the

only time I get away from noisy kids

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so they can't go!

What have you got?

In the Telegraph, Kelly Sutton,

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former heptathlete, talking about

Russian athletes not being allowed

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to compete even as neutrals because

she doesn't think they will be

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neutral and athletes will have an

element of doubt if they are not

0:20:540:20:57

competing against a Russian. And in

the Sun, a picture Arsenal fans

0:20:570:21:03

won't want to see, Jack Wilshire on

ice skates, he even joked, he said

0:21:030:21:08

positive week, got through 20

minutes of ice skating without

0:21:080:21:11

getting injured. Jack Wilshere has

missed an incredible 155 Arsenal

0:21:110:21:16

matches and is only just coming back

into form. A quick one in the Daily

0:21:160:21:23

Mail, Sunderland striker Duncan

Watmore has received a letter of

0:21:230:21:26

support from Real Madrid for his

serious knee injury.

That's nice!

0:21:260:21:30

Can I show you this picture, I was

driving yesterday and I saw lots of

0:21:300:21:35

lovely houses with decorations but

the Guardian have gone spectacular.

0:21:350:21:39

Some of those are surely a step too

far?

Steph and I...

You can't go

0:21:390:21:46

overboard with decorations, they are

abroad.

Fantastic! One of my

0:21:460:21:52

favourites, this is a pub, decorated

entirely with lots of different

0:21:520:21:55

Christmas trees so thank you to the

Guardian for that.

A celebration.

0:21:550:21:59

Talking about eating crisps in the

quiet coach, a story here I want to

0:21:590:22:04

pick up on in the Times, do you eat

in the theatre?

That's different,

0:22:040:22:09

that's a different ballgame.

One

group of theatres are starting to

0:22:090:22:13

test bags of various snacks to see

how loud they are.

I would love that

0:22:130:22:19

job!

Our popcorn was taken away from

us at a theatre on Sunday. You eat

0:22:190:22:26

popcorn in a theatre? We took it in

but they took it away.

Maybe this is

0:22:260:22:35

about you? It was at the Lyric

Theatre and it was the Graph low.

0:22:350:22:40

They took it away from a child and

she cried. -- Gruffalo.

0:22:400:22:49

Let's return to our top story,

reports this morning that an alleged

0:22:490:22:53

terror attack targeting

the Prime Minister has been foiled

0:22:530:22:55

by security services.

0:22:550:23:01

Yesterday Andrew Parker,

the head of MI5,

0:23:010:23:03

briefed the Prime Minister

and the cabinet yesterday about nine

0:23:030:23:06

alleged Islamist terror plots

that have been foiled

0:23:060:23:08

since March this year.

0:23:080:23:09

We're joined in our London studio

0:23:090:23:11

by the security specialist

Will Geddes.

0:23:110:23:12

Good morning.

0:23:120:23:14

Thanks for coming on the programme

to discuss this this morning. We're

0:23:140:23:18

talking about this alleged plot to

kill Theresa May. We know two men

0:23:180:23:23

accused of that are due in court

today so we can't go into the detail

0:23:230:23:27

of that but safety is a security

around the Prime Minister will

0:23:270:23:30

already be incredibly high?

-- safe

to say security. The chance of

0:23:300:23:37

success for these individuals

allegedly that planned this attack,

0:23:370:23:40

and it was going to comprise of a

variety of elements that we are

0:23:400:23:44

beginning to see more commonly these

days with terrorist attacks,

0:23:440:23:47

starting with an eye Eid that was

allegedly going to be planted by the

0:23:470:23:51

gates of Downing Street -- eye Eid.

Then an attack to target the PM

0:23:510:23:56

herself. -- IED. The chances of

success were minimal but the media

0:23:560:24:05

success would have been immense.

Speaking more broadly, do you think

0:24:050:24:08

those planned attacks are becoming

more ambitious generally?

It's

0:24:080:24:13

interesting. We have certainly seen

these become quite basic, certainly

0:24:130:24:18

those inspired by Islamic State, but

what we are perhaps seeing is more

0:24:180:24:22

of a reversion to the old al-Qaeda

style which were big spectaculars

0:24:220:24:27

and one thing we know about

terrorist groups is they are

0:24:270:24:32

incredibly media savvy. So whatever

they do, even if it only has a

0:24:320:24:37

minimal degree of impact in terms of

success, if it is done in an iconic

0:24:370:24:42

location it will garnish as much

publicity as it can, which again

0:24:420:24:47

only promotes and spread their

message to potential individuals

0:24:470:24:51

that they could radicalise.

Well,

one of the things coming out of the

0:24:510:24:57

review, there were potentially

missed opportunities to stop the

0:24:570:25:00

Manchester bomber, do you think the

scale or the threat faced by

0:25:000:25:06

security forces means they are

facing almost an impossible job on

0:25:060:25:10

occasion?

It's an interesting point

to debate right now and certainly

0:25:100:25:16

Andrew Parker has made a very clear

statement that we are dealing with

0:25:160:25:20

an unprecedented level of plots and

individuals in terms of the possible

0:25:200:25:26

security and terrorist risk here in

the UK. Certainly it's in excess of

0:25:260:25:31

20,000 subjects of interest. The

report itself, although quite

0:25:310:25:34

headline grabbing in terms of the

possible failings, I think really is

0:25:340:25:39

actually quite remarkable in terms

of some of the detail it gives on

0:25:390:25:43

the tradecraft and particularly the

complex nature of intelligence

0:25:430:25:46

gathering

0:25:460:25:48

complex nature of intelligence

gathering. You could save there were

0:25:480:25:53

missed opportunities but you could

say that often.

Amber Rudd mention

0:25:530:25:57

this, it brings into sharp focus the

police funding -- mentioned this.

0:25:570:26:02

When they are dealing with the

threat they are more stretched than

0:26:020:26:06

in the past?

They are under an awful

lot of pressure and if we consider

0:26:060:26:10

22 lots have been foiled since Lee

Rigby four years ago, that's a

0:26:100:26:15

significant number and those are the

only ones the security services are

0:26:150:26:20

letting us know about. There are

probably many more beyond that that

0:26:200:26:25

they have intercepted and foiled at

earlier stages. In this report by

0:26:250:26:29

David Anderson QC, we are seeing

some of the sophistication behind

0:26:290:26:34

certainly the organisation and

planning of these plots, which again

0:26:340:26:37

shows what the security services and

counterterrorism policing are up

0:26:370:26:41

against.

Will Geddes, our security

expert joining us this morning to

0:26:410:26:45

talk about many things, including

our main story, an alleged plot to

0:26:450:26:51

kill the Prime Minister and two men

will appear in court later today. We

0:26:510:26:56

will

0:26:560:30:16

in around half an hour.

0:30:160:30:18

You can hear more news travel

and weather on our website.

0:30:180:30:21

Now it's back

to Dan and Louise.

0:30:210:30:23

Bye bye.

0:30:230:30:23

Hello. Welcome back.

0:30:300:30:31

This is Breakfast with Dan Walker

and Louise Minchin.

0:30:310:30:33

We'll bring you all the latest news

and sport in a moment,

0:30:330:30:36

but also on Breakfast this morning.

0:30:360:30:38

How can schoolchildren

spot fake news?

0:30:380:30:40

I don't know what to believe. It is

hard to know what things are true.

0:30:400:30:45

As the BBC launches a new scheme

to help young people filter out

0:30:450:30:48

false information, we're

asking why it's important

0:30:480:30:50

that they know the difference.

0:30:500:30:52

Florence and the Machine

and George Ezra are just two

0:30:520:30:54

of the artists who were helped

onto a world stage thanks to the BBC

0:30:540:30:58

Music Introducing platform.

0:30:580:31:02

And this morning we have Radio Two

DJ Jo Whiley with us to reveal

0:31:020:31:06

who is 2017's Artist of the Year.

0:31:060:31:07

And the Turner Prize

was announced last night.

0:31:070:31:14

Lubeena Hameed has become both

the oldest winner and the first

0:31:140:31:17

black woman to take the prize.

0:31:170:31:18

We're talking to her later

about making history.

0:31:180:31:19

Good morning.

0:31:210:31:22

Here's a summary of this morning's

main stories from BBC News.

0:31:220:31:25

Two men are due to appear in court

today, accused of a plot to attack

0:31:250:31:29

Downing Street and kill

the Prime Minister.

0:31:290:31:31

Both suspects were detained last

month and have been charged

0:31:310:31:33

with terrorism offences.

0:31:330:31:34

The details of their plans were made

public after the head of MI5 briefed

0:31:340:31:38

the governement yesterday about nine

alleged terror plots that have been

0:31:380:31:41

foiled since March this year.

0:31:410:31:46

There's increasing pressure

on the government to get Brexit

0:31:460:31:48

negotiations back on track

after an intervention

0:31:480:31:50

by Northern Ireland's Democratic

Unionist Party stalled

0:31:500:31:52

talks in Brussels.

0:31:520:31:53

The Irish border may be the key

sticking point but divisions

0:31:530:31:56

within the Conservative Party

are further complicating matters

0:31:560:31:58

for the Prime Minister.

0:31:580:31:59

Nevertheless the government insists

it remains confident it will be able

0:31:590:32:02

to reach a deal before next

week's EU Council meeting.

0:32:020:32:16

The White House says President Trump

is to recognise Jerusalem

0:32:160:32:19

as the capital of Israel

and will direct the State Department

0:32:190:32:22

to begin the process of moving

the US Embassy there from Tel Aviv.

0:32:220:32:26

Arab leaders earlier warned

against moving the embassy,

0:32:260:32:28

saying it would be "a flagrant

provocation to Muslims."

0:32:280:32:30

But officials said Mr Trump

would not move the US embassy

0:32:300:32:33

from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem

immediately, and it could

0:32:330:32:36

take several years.

0:32:360:32:43

Banks should end all

unauthorised overdraft charges

0:32:430:32:44

because they are trapping

people in persistent debt,

0:32:440:32:47

the financial charity

StepChange has said.

0:32:470:32:48

It says two million people in the UK

used their overdraft facility every

0:32:480:32:52

month last year.

0:32:520:32:53

The organisation wants banks

and regulators to do more

0:32:530:32:55

to identify people caught up

in a "vicious cycle of borrowing."

0:32:550:33:00

Tens of thousands of people have

been forced to flee from the path

0:33:000:33:04

of wildfires in Southern California.

0:33:040:33:05

Hundreds of buildings have been

destroyed by the blazes and several

0:33:050:33:08

thousand homes are under mandatory

evacuation in the cities of Ventura

0:33:080:33:11

and Santa Paula,

north of Los Angeles.

0:33:110:33:13

California has been hit hard

by wildfires in recent months.

0:33:130:33:16

At least 40 people were killed

when fires ripped through parts

0:33:160:33:19

of northern California's

wine region in October.

0:33:190:33:34

Christine Keeler, the former model

at the centre of the Profumo

0:33:340:33:37

scandal, has died at the age of 75.

0:33:370:33:38

Let's talk about the Ashes. If you

got up at 330 this morning: as I

0:33:560:34:01

did. Actually, you would have been

able to go back to bed to have an

0:34:010:34:07

extra sleep.

That photo says it all.

Australia, 2-0 up in the series. I

0:34:070:34:21

switched the radio on when Chris

Woakes was out on the second ball.

0:34:210:34:27

So, it was my fault.

0:34:270:34:31

So, England are now two down in the

Ashes. It did not take long.

0:34:310:34:36

It took about an hour and 45 minutes

for England's six remaining batsmen

0:34:360:34:39

to go down in Adelaide.

0:34:390:34:41

Chris Woakes was out

from the second ball of the day.

0:34:410:34:44

That was the first thing I heard.

0:34:440:34:46

Captain Joe Root quickly

followed without adding

0:34:460:34:48

to his overnight score.

0:34:480:34:48

And the wickets just kept tumbling.

0:34:480:34:50

Jonny Bairstow was

the last man to go.

0:34:500:34:52

England, all out for 233.

0:34:520:34:54

The Australians win

the second test by 120 runs.

0:34:540:34:57

The way we went about the second

innings proved to everyone we are

0:34:570:35:04

still massively in this series. It

is as simple as that. Throughout the

0:35:040:35:10

two games we have had periods where

we outperformed Australia. Just not

0:35:100:35:17

all of it. If we get that right and

we can perform to our ability for

0:35:170:35:22

longer periods of time, we will win

games. It is as simple as that.

0:35:220:35:29

This morning, before the game, I

thought of the Kangert a few wickets

0:35:290:35:36

that would be good. 180 runs was a

lot of runs. It was pleasing Josh

0:35:360:35:40

was able to come out and do what he

did. His length was exceptional.

0:35:400:35:46

Obviously, he got Joe Root. That put

us in a good position.

0:35:460:35:54

Chelsea had to settle for second

place in their Champions League

0:35:540:35:57

group, so face the risk

of being drawn against one

0:35:570:35:59

of the favourites in

the knockout stage.

0:35:590:36:01

They drew 1-1 with Spanish

side Atletico Madrid.

0:36:010:36:04

Chelsea fell behind

but they equalised thanks

0:36:040:36:05

to an own goal in the second half.

0:36:050:36:08

It means they could now face

Barcelona or Paris Sant Germain

0:36:080:36:11

in the last 16.

0:36:110:36:16

Manchester United finish top

of Group A, but they had to come

0:36:160:36:19

from behind to beat CSKA Moscow.

0:36:190:36:21

They were 1-0 down at half-time

but two quickfire goals

0:36:210:36:24

from Romelu Lukaku and Marcus

Rashford sealed a 2-1 win

0:36:240:36:27

for Jose Mourinho's side.

0:36:270:36:28

United reach the knockout stage

for the first time in three years

0:36:280:36:31

and equal a club record 40 matches

unbeaten at Old Trafford.

0:36:310:36:39

Celtic have qualified

for the Europa League despite losing

0:36:390:36:41

1-0 to Belgian side Anderlecht.

0:36:410:36:43

The Scottish champions knew they had

to avoid defeat by three goals

0:36:430:36:46

or more to seal third

place in Group B.

0:36:460:36:53

Mark Cavendish says he wants to race

in next year's four-day Tour de

0:36:530:36:56

Yorkshire.

0:36:560:36:57

The event has been running

since 2014 when the county hosted

0:36:570:37:00

the Grand Depart for the Tour de

France with great success.

0:37:000:37:03

Next year's race in May will start

in Beverley and will finish

0:37:030:37:06

up in Leeds.

0:37:060:37:12

It will also features

a two-day women's race.

0:37:120:37:14

Cavendish says he'll do

all he can to be there.

0:37:140:37:17

I definitely want to be here in

Yorkshire. I am from here. I can see

0:37:170:37:22

the legacy. It is wicked to see it

and be part of it. What makes this

0:37:220:37:31

race special is the fans. We saw

that in 2014. It is a special place

0:37:310:37:40

to ride in the UK, that is for sure.

0:37:400:37:44

Ronnie O'Sullivan is the highest

seed left in snooker's UK

0:37:440:37:47

Championship going into the last 16.

0:37:470:37:49

The world number four easily beat

Michael White in the third round.

0:37:490:37:52

O'Sullivan made a break of 132

on his way to winning by six

0:37:520:37:55

frames to one.

0:37:550:37:56

He's looking to equal Steve Davis'

record of six UK titles this week.

0:37:560:38:00

But he might not be around to break

that record next year.

0:38:000:38:03

Ronnie says he's got eyes

on appearing on "I'm

0:38:030:38:05

a Celebrity Get Me Out Of Here."

0:38:050:38:07

I used to think, I could not do

that, I have to do snooker. But you

0:38:070:38:13

get to a stage where you think this

is painful, that is fine, it is a

0:38:130:38:18

good laugh. And that series is

great. I want to do as much as they

0:38:180:38:22

can. But as long as I am in the top

64. It doesn't matter any more. Why

0:38:220:38:30

not?

0:38:300:38:37

Steve Davis, Jimmy White, they have

been in it. He says everyone will

0:38:370:38:43

think he is a gorilla with his top

off. Thank you.

0:38:430:38:52

She was the model at just 19 and who

was at the centre of British

0:38:520:38:58

politics. She has died at the age of

75. Yesterday it was announced

0:38:580:39:12

Christine Keeler has died aged 75.

0:39:120:39:15

It was the biggest scandal of the

1950s. Christine Keeler was at the

0:39:150:39:20

centre of it. Model, party girl. The

minister for war and Christine

0:39:200:39:28

Keeler had an affair. When

challenged, he lied about it to the

0:39:280:39:32

House of Commons and was forced to

resign. It did not help a KGB spy

0:39:320:39:37

had also been seeing her. The old

establishment never recovered from

0:39:370:39:41

the shock. The affair spelt the end

of the Prime Minister's government

0:39:410:39:47

but also the end of respect, with

sleaze swept under the carpet so

0:39:470:39:56

blue it was one of the first

occasions of politicians being held

0:39:560:40:00

accountable.

It actually had

ramifications in political careers.

0:40:000:40:05

Christine Keeler always said she was

more prey than predator.

I wished at

0:40:050:40:09

that time I had been older so that I

would have been able to answer or

0:40:090:40:16

speak up for myself.

She left school

at 15. Her childhood home had been a

0:40:160:40:23

pair of converted railway Carragher

is. She lived with a notorious slum

0:40:230:40:30

landlord later. Later, a West Indian

boyfriend was charged with

0:40:300:40:35

assaulting her and she lied in

court. She was jailed for perjury.

0:40:350:40:41

She lives here. She owns the shop

around the corner.

She went on to

0:40:410:40:46

write three books. She was happy to

help with the film's publicity as

0:40:460:40:54

well.

I never felt better. That is

just some press which said that. I

0:40:540:41:03

never felt bitter. Not at all. I am

pleased the truth can come out now.

0:41:030:41:08

But she was often broke. A victim,

many thought, of establishment. Two

0:41:080:41:15

marriages ended in divorce. Some

said she earned her place in British

0:41:150:41:20

history but at huge personal cost.

0:41:200:41:26

We saw a little bit of the film

Scandal. We will speak to the film

0:41:260:41:31

producer behind that bit later. --A

little bit later. Tens of thousands

0:41:310:41:44

of people have been forced to flee

their homes in California because of

0:41:440:41:48

wildfires which have destroyed

hundreds of buildings. Mandatory

0:41:480:41:54

evacuations are taking place in the

cities of Ventura and Santa Paula,

0:41:540:41:57

north of Los Angeles, and more than

a thousand firefighters are tackling

0:41:570:42:00

the fires which continue to spread

due to high winds.

0:42:000:42:03

Our North America correspondent,

James Cook, is in Los Angeles now.

0:42:030:42:06

What's the latest?

0:42:060:42:06

It has been a pretty incredible day,

to be honest, in and around Los

0:42:060:42:10

Angeles, because it is not just one

major fire burning. Although the

0:42:100:42:24

Ventura fire is the biggest threat,

there are several major fires

0:42:240:42:27

burning. Many, many people have been

evacuated. The official number of

0:42:270:42:30

homes destroyed in the first fire is

to be 150. It is very, very clear

0:42:300:42:34

that number will rise. Tens of

thousands of people have fled. Just

0:42:340:42:40

the night in the past few minutes,

the breaking news is that the fire

0:42:400:42:48

has reached the Pacific Ocean,

leaping over the main coastal

0:42:480:42:51

waterway, and is burning on the very

edge of the Pacific. -- tonight,. It

0:42:510:42:56

seems the water is the only thing

that can stop this blaze. I was

0:42:560:43:00

going to ask you about it. It seems

extremely hard to put it out.

They

0:43:000:43:06

are trying. There is a problem. The

wind. The wind you mentioned is not

0:43:060:43:32

just that makes it for firefighters.

For much of the day they have had

0:43:320:43:49

trouble putting helicopters up to

tackle the fire from above as well.

0:43:490:43:52

It has hampered efforts.

Has it been

a bad year for these kinds of fires?

0:43:520:43:56

It has been an exceptional year in

terms of natural disasters for the

0:43:560:43:59

US. Several major hurricanes in the

north of California, devastating

0:43:590:44:03

wildfires claiming far more in the

way of victims than these so far.

0:44:030:44:07

The amazing thing so far is there

have been no reports of any deaths

0:44:070:44:12

in the fires in Southern California.

We have barely had a drop of rain

0:44:120:44:16

for six months. Before that, five

years of drought. Many scientists

0:44:160:44:23

are looking at the increasing

intensity of fires and the

0:44:230:44:25

increasing intensity of hurricanes

and are seen we need to have a think

0:44:250:44:30

about what is happening to the

weather on this planet and whether

0:44:300:44:36

man-made climate change is behind

it. -- saying.

Very interesting and

0:44:360:44:40

clearly terrifying. Thank you.

0:44:400:44:45

Sometimes you hear funny things or

in your ear in this programme, and

0:44:450:44:50

one thing was Carol has a big

octopus to show us -- things in your

0:44:500:44:56

ear.

No secrets on this programme!

Good morning to you both! I'm in

0:44:560:45:03

Hyde Park in Winter Wonderland and

we are inside the magical ice

0:45:030:45:09

kingdom where the temperature is

-10, we have dropped 20 degrees from

0:45:090:45:14

outside. You can see the dried

octopus, his eye and this tentacles

0:45:140:45:20

and he is made up of 36 tons of

snow. You can see the other highs

0:45:200:45:29

sculptures which are all handcarved.

You can see here the mermaids, the

0:45:290:45:37

seahorses, the Turtles, it is

gorgeous. This is over 500 tons of

0:45:370:45:43

real ice and snow throughout the

magical ice kingdom. It is perishing

0:45:430:45:49

in here, my hands are frozen!

0:45:490:45:51

Outside it is a different story

because it is really quite mild and

0:45:530:45:56

it will be very mild for the time of

year. What we have in the north is

0:45:560:46:01

some rain and windy conditions and

as we come further south, cloudy and

0:46:010:46:07

also we're looking at a few brighter

breaks here and there and very mild.

0:46:070:46:12

This morning at 9am across Scotland,

in the north and west, wet and we

0:46:120:46:16

need but for the rest of the

country, dry and cloudy with a few

0:46:160:46:20

showers. North-west England seeing a

few showers this morning and they

0:46:200:46:23

will see some brightness. Through

the Midlands, East Anglia and the

0:46:230:46:28

south coast, a lot of cloud around

and again we will see a few brighter

0:46:280:46:32

breaks but we could see some

showers, especially on higher

0:46:320:46:35

ground. On the hills in south-west

England, 12 implement at 9am and in

0:46:350:46:42

Wales, a cloudy start with a few

showers, mainly with height, we are

0:46:420:46:47

looking at some brightness as well

-- implement. A cloudy and wet start

0:46:470:46:51

to the north-west. Windy as well.

Through the day the wind will be a

0:46:510:46:58

feature -- in Plymouth. The rain

will slowly go south and we are

0:46:580:47:03

looking at a lot of cloud with a few

breaks further south and at times

0:47:030:47:08

some light rain or drizzle but that

will be the exception rather than

0:47:080:47:11

the rule. Temperatures ten to 12,

around the Moray Firth, the north

0:47:110:47:16

coast of Northern Ireland, 13 as we

go through the day. Through the

0:47:160:47:20

evening and overnight the wind will

strengthen, especially across the

0:47:200:47:23

north of the country. Meanwhile, the

rain goes south and the hide it it

0:47:230:47:28

will turn cold but by the end of the

night we will have gales in the west

0:47:280:47:33

and Storm Caroline coming in across

north-west Scotland. -- behind it.

0:47:330:47:41

Storm Caroline will go east across

Scotland and it will be extremely

0:47:410:47:45

windy, gusts up to 80 mph and as far

south as the Central Lowlands it

0:47:450:47:50

will be windy with inland gales.

With the snow at lower levels in

0:47:500:47:53

Northern Scotland, blizzards.

Meanwhile, we have the rain and

0:47:530:47:59

strong winds careering quickly out

of the south-east and behind it it

0:47:590:48:02

will still be windy, a lot of dry

weather and sunshine but feeling

0:48:020:48:06

colder. First thing on Friday we

will start with snow showers in

0:48:060:48:10

Northern Ireland, southern Scotland,

north-west England, around

0:48:100:48:13

Manchester and some of those will

blow inland as we go through the

0:48:130:48:18

day. Outside of those, a lot of dry

weather and some sunshine and it

0:48:180:48:22

will feel cold. For Friday, a

similar story, still windy, colder

0:48:220:48:26

is anything and there will be the

windchill to factor into that as

0:48:260:48:30

well and still some snow showers as

well. On the weekend, we're not done

0:48:300:48:34

with the snow just yet, snow showers

on Saturday and on Sunday, I want to

0:48:340:48:39

highlight this, this could change,

from the Midlands north there's the

0:48:390:48:44

risk of snow. Also there's the risk

of sleet. We could see someone snow

0:48:440:48:48

in the highlands of the Pennines,

but something to keep an eye on

0:48:480:48:52

because the timing and position of

this could change so if you're

0:48:520:48:56

travelling then keep watching the

weather forecast.

0:48:560:48:58

I have already taken that warning.

Thanks very much!

-10, you really

0:49:000:49:04

have to dress up for it, don't you?

We're not hanging around in here! We

0:49:040:49:10

are out in a second!

I want to ask

you some more questions!

I'm only

0:49:100:49:15

kidding!

And they're gone! Running

out!

She was out of breath!

Properly

0:49:150:49:22

cold! That is the inside

temperature.

Much milder outside.

0:49:220:49:30

Christmas can be a time to splash

out but there are warnings

0:49:300:49:33

from charities that people

are facing high levels of debt

0:49:330:49:36

and are more worried about finances

this year than last.

0:49:360:49:39

Steph is taking a look.

0:49:390:49:40

There's a lot of pressure on

families at this time of year to

0:49:400:49:44

make it a great Christmas and that

can cost a lot of money for some

0:49:440:49:48

people. Some research out on that

this morning.

0:49:480:49:50

Two big pieces of research out

0:49:500:49:52

from financial charities.

0:49:520:49:53

The first is from

The Money Advice Trust,

0:49:530:49:55

who've found more people are worried

about money this year than last.

0:49:550:49:59

In fact, one in seven people

will have money on their mind every

0:49:590:50:02

day in the run up to the big day.

0:50:020:50:05

Likewise, StepChange has been

looking at how many people

0:50:050:50:07

are using their overdraft

on a regular basis to pay for lifes

0:50:070:50:10

essentials, over 2 million

people every single month.

0:50:100:50:21

With me now is Laura Rodrigues

from StepChange, who did this

0:50:210:50:23

research for them.

0:50:230:50:24

Why are people using their

overdrafts? The vast majority are

0:50:240:50:28

doing it for their everyday

essentials, household bills, paying

0:50:280:50:32

the rent, covering food budgets for

the family.

That is obviously not

0:50:320:50:37

sustainable?

There's a real concern

about having to use credit for those

0:50:370:50:42

everyday essentials, for those

living costs.

The people you're

0:50:420:50:47

helping and the ones you're talking

to, why are they getting into that

0:50:470:50:51

trouble? What is making them have to

pay bills with overdrafts rose

0:50:510:50:55

yellow we see two things with our

clients, it can be an income shock

0:50:550:51:00

or a change in circumstances, which

means they lose their job or a

0:51:000:51:15

change in their circumstances.

0:51:150:51:17

Are things getting worse?

We are

concerned more and more people are

0:51:180:51:23

carrying, coming to charities like

StepChange with debt problems this

0:51:230:51:27

year -- coming to. Last year we saw

600,000 people and that was a rise

0:51:270:51:32

from previous years.

Is bad because

people are more aware that they need

0:51:320:51:36

to sort out their debt problems? --

is that. Or is that because there

0:51:360:51:41

are more people with debt problems?

We are seeing more and more people

0:51:410:51:45

with debt problems and people are

beaming squeezed and struggling with

0:51:450:51:49

the cost of living, we have found 2

million people last year were in

0:51:490:51:53

their overdraft the whole year.

Constantly.

In terms of what you're

0:51:530:52:00

saying to clients, what is it you

say, what advice do you give when

0:52:000:52:05

they're struggling like this?

The

best advice when people are

0:52:050:52:08

struggling is to turn to debt advice

and we will look at their budget and

0:52:080:52:12

see what they have coming in and

out, seeing if they can balance that

0:52:120:52:16

out and help them repay their debts

if that's possible.

You have

0:52:160:52:21

specific requirements around

overdrafts and you think the

0:52:210:52:24

government should be doing and banks

should be thinking about?

0:52:240:52:27

There's two main issues, there's

people being stuck in a cycle of

0:52:270:52:32

overdraft borrowing over a long

period of time. I think the banks

0:52:320:52:35

really need to work with the FCA to

see where they are struggling and

0:52:350:52:41

give them support to get out of

that. People are being hit regularly

0:52:410:52:44

by very high on arranged overdraft

charges when they go over their

0:52:440:52:50

limit and when this happens it puts

them further into debt so what we

0:52:500:52:54

want the banks to do, one major bank

has done so, is get rid of these an

0:52:540:52:59

arranged overdraft charges and scrap

them and make their charges more

0:52:590:53:02

transparent.

Some people would say

if you can pay back the credit then

0:53:020:53:09

sometimes debt can be a good thing

if it gets you through a certain

0:53:090:53:12

period of time and you make the

payments rose yellow credit is a

0:53:120:53:17

useful tool for people, it helps

them with their incomes and with

0:53:170:53:22

larger purchases.

But the problem is

when it isn't affordable. Clients

0:53:220:53:32

told us about money going into their

account, reducing the overdraft,

0:53:320:53:38

then they go over the overdraft and

the cycle repeats and they get

0:53:380:53:42

trapped in that cycle.

Thanks for

your time this morning, really

0:53:420:53:46

interesting. A tough time for people

if they haven't got their money.

0:53:460:53:51

Lots of people are getting in touch

with you and us this morning about

0:53:510:53:56

planning for Christmas.

David says I

save £20 a week for Christmas. £1040

0:53:560:54:01

and. I will be withdrawing it this

weekend and when it's gone, it is

0:54:010:54:06

gone -- £1040. I wouldn't have

Christmas if I didn't do that. A

0:54:060:54:12

good way of planning, putting away a

certain amount every week.

Something

0:54:120:54:16

you have been looking at. This isn't

really saving?

These people have

0:54:160:54:25

been saving for Christmas. Both of

us are big fans of driving around

0:54:250:54:29

and looking at random houses with

Christmas lights.

There's one in

0:54:290:54:32

Sheffield where they outdo

themselves every year and I take the

0:54:320:54:35

kids there every year.

This is the

inside of the Guardian and they are

0:54:350:54:40

nationwide, but this is one of the

most original ones, maybe they have

0:54:400:54:44

done it before, a pub in London,

20,000 lights in and around the pub

0:54:440:54:48

and 90 Christmas trees, many of

which are outside. I love that!

I'm

0:54:480:54:53

turning into my dad, I'm thinking

when I look at that, what about the

0:54:530:54:58

electricity bill! But you think it's

worth it?

I do. You can't be cross

0:54:580:55:03

about that.

There's one other story

wanted to mention, talking about

0:55:030:55:10

Christmas, snowflakes, snowflake is

a label used disparagingly, commonly

0:55:100:55:13

to use .Mac referred to young people

who are of the centres of --

0:55:130:55:20

commonly referred to -- sensitive.

It is now claimed that it is

0:55:200:55:29

damaging people's mental health.

Double sensitivity on that issue.

0:55:290:55:33

There's nothing wrong with being

sensitive!

We were talking about the

0:55:330:55:38

serious issue of anxiety yesterday

so there is a serious issue in there

0:55:380:55:41

somewhere but I am sure someone will

Paul score on that story.

Later one

0:55:410:55:45

of my favourite people, Jo Wiley is

going to be here. She will be

0:55:450:55:58

talking about BBC Introducing, we

will reveal the person who has been

0:55:580:56:02

chosen. She will be talking about

the history of it and so many people

0:56:020:56:07

who are now household names,

including you, Dan.

I am a little

0:56:070:56:11

heartbroken if I am honest! We will

talk to the winner of the Turner

0:56:110:56:16

prize, which was announced last

night. One of my favourite people!

0:56:160:56:21

You're watching

Breakfast from BBC News.

0:56:210:56:23

Still to come this morning:

0:56:230:56:25

Does a bad winter flu season

0:56:250:56:27

in Australia mean we'll

suffer the same fate here?

0:56:270:56:29

We'll find out why researchers

working on a new universal vaccine

0:56:290:56:32

in the UK hope it could

be a game changer.

0:56:320:56:35

Time now to get the news,

travel and weather where you are.

0:56:350:56:40

Now it's back

to Dan and Louise.

1:00:001:00:02

Bye bye.

1:00:021:00:02

Hello. Good morning.

1:00:411:00:44

This is Breakfast, with Dan Walker

and Louise Minchin.

1:00:441:00:46

Two men are due in court accused

of a plot to kill the Prime

1:00:461:00:50

Minister.

1:00:501:00:51

The alleged plan was to target

Theresa May while she was at

1:00:511:00:54

Downing Street, bombing the security

gates before launching a knife

1:00:541:00:57

attack in the confusion

that would follow.

1:00:571:01:08

Good morning.

1:01:081:01:09

It's Wednesday

the sixth of December.

1:01:091:01:14

Thank you for being with us.

1:01:141:01:15

Also this morning:

1:01:151:01:16

President Trump breaks with decades

of American policy on Israel.

1:01:161:01:19

The White House says

he will formally recognise Jerusalem

1:01:191:01:21

as its capital, and will move the US

embassy there from Tel Aviv.

1:01:211:01:26

Wildfires tear through

Southern California as thousands

1:01:261:01:28

of people are forced

to flee from their homes.

1:01:281:01:36

Christine Keeler, the former model

at the centre of the Profumo

1:01:361:01:39

scandal, has died at the age of 75.

1:01:391:01:41

We'll look back at her life.

1:01:411:01:46

Good morning.

1:01:461:01:47

Today, we've got the boss

of the takeaway delivery firm,

1:01:471:01:49

Deliveroo, in the studio.

1:01:491:01:50

It's been a business that's been

criticised for the lack

1:01:501:01:53

of recognition it gives it's riders.

1:01:531:01:55

I'll be looking at why.

1:01:551:01:58

In sport, England go

two down in the Ashes.

1:01:581:02:00

Their batsmen are blown away

by Australia in less than two hours

1:02:001:02:04

on the final day in Adelaide.

1:02:041:02:20

Sorry about the cricket news. The

weather. It is -10 inside Hyde Park,

1:02:201:02:25

and plus ten outside. It will be

mild today. Wet and windy in the

1:02:251:02:35

north, though. I will have more info

in minutes. OK, thank you. It is

1:02:351:02:39

very loud in there.

1:02:391:02:43

Good morning.

1:02:431:02:43

First, our main story:

1:02:431:02:44

Two men are due to appear in court

today, accused of a plot to kill

1:02:441:02:48

the Prime Minister.

1:02:481:02:49

Both suspects were

detained last month.

1:02:491:02:50

It is on the front pages. That is

the front page of the Daily Mirror

1:02:551:03:04

this morning. A number of the papers

have gone with that story. We will

1:03:041:03:09

bring you more details on that

through the morning.

1:03:091:03:18

The White House says President Trump

is to break with decades of American

1:03:181:03:21

policy on Israel and is to recognise

Jerusalem as the capital

1:03:211:03:24

of Israel.

1:03:241:03:25

He's expected to direct

the State Department to begin

1:03:251:03:27

the process of moving the US embassy

there from Tel Aviv,

1:03:271:03:30

a process which may

take several years.

1:03:301:03:32

But Arab leaders earlier warned

against moving the embassy,

1:03:321:03:35

saying it would be "a flagrant

provocation to Muslims."

1:03:351:03:37

Our North America correspondent,

Peter Bowes, reports.

1:03:371:03:43

Donald Trump is venturing

into uncharted territory.

1:03:431:03:46

The President will recognise

Jerusalem as the capital of Israel,

1:03:461:03:48

making the United States

the first country to do

1:03:481:03:51

so since the foundation

of the state in 1948.

1:03:511:04:00

He has already indicated he intends

to move the American embassy

1:04:001:04:03

to Jerusalem from Tel Aviv,

and he has informed regional leaders

1:04:031:04:06

of his plans.

1:04:061:04:07

The reaction has been heated.

1:04:071:04:08

Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas has

warned of dangerous consequences

1:04:081:04:10

for the peace, security

and stability of the region

1:04:101:04:13

and of the world.

1:04:131:04:14

Jordan's King Abdullah said

the decision would undermine efforts

1:04:141:04:16

to renew the peace process

and provoke Muslims.

1:04:161:04:19

Saudi Arabia's King Salman told

Mr Trump the relocation

1:04:191:04:21

of the embassy or the recognition

of Jerusalem as Israel's capital

1:04:211:04:24

would constitute a flagrant

provocation of Muslims

1:04:241:04:26

all over the world.

1:04:261:04:27

The status of Jerusalem goes

to the heart of Israel's conflict

1:04:271:04:30

with the Palestinians.

1:04:301:04:31

Political observers say

the President is treading a fine

1:04:311:04:33

line between acknowledging

a historic reality and alienating

1:04:331:04:35

Palestinians.

1:04:351:04:36

Israel's intelligence minister says

the country is preparing for every

1:04:361:04:38

option, including an

outbreak of violence.

1:04:381:04:40

US citizens have been warned

by the State Department to ignore

1:04:401:04:43

areas with crowds.

1:04:431:05:05

There's increasing pressure

on the government to get Brexit

1:05:051:05:08

negotiations back on track

after an intervention

1:05:081:05:10

by Northern Ireland's Democratic

Unionist Party stalled

1:05:101:05:12

talks in Brussels.

1:05:121:05:13

The Irish border may be

the key sticking point,

1:05:131:05:15

but divisions in the Conservative

Party are further complicating

1:05:151:05:17

matters for the Prime Minister.

1:05:171:05:20

Our political correspondent,

Leila Nathoo, is in Westminster this

1:05:201:05:22

morning.

1:05:221:05:25

It seems whenever we talk to you on

this issue, the question seems to be

1:05:251:05:31

there are some important days ahead

for the Prime Minister.

This week

1:05:311:05:35

was supposed to be... We talk about

important moments in the Brexit

1:05:351:05:40

negotiations. Earlier this week, on

Monday, the big lunch in Brussels

1:05:401:05:45

was supposed to be a big turning

point when Theresa May went to

1:05:451:05:49

Brussels to try to nail down the

divorce issue is to try to get

1:05:491:05:53

agreement that talks could proceed.

She came back empty-handed because,

1:05:531:05:59

as you say, the intervention by the

Democratic Unionists with the thorny

1:05:591:06:09

issue of the Irish border. It seems

communications breakdown between the

1:06:091:06:13

government and the DUP. They were

shocked to see what Theresa May

1:06:131:06:17

wanted on the table. They are

talking about the issue of closely

1:06:171:06:22

aligned relations with Northern

Ireland and the Republic of Ireland.

1:06:221:06:29

The DUP said it was unacceptable

Northern Ireland is any different

1:06:291:06:32

from the rest of the UK after Brexit

and pulled the plug once they got

1:06:321:06:36

wind of what was on offer. Now, what

is going on is that Theresa May has

1:06:361:06:42

come back from Brussels and Brussels

has made it clear the ball is now in

1:06:421:06:46

our court to sort it out as a

domestic issue. She will try to

1:06:461:06:51

convince the DNP over the next few

days in order to get back to

1:06:511:06:55

Brussels in time for the crucial EU

summit next week. -- DUP. Shinnie to

1:06:551:07:01

get ahead of that to convince EU

leaders enough has been done on the

1:07:011:07:06

divorce issue is. -- She needs. Then

they can decide to move talks on to

1:07:061:07:14

trade. There will be a lot of

wrangling going on in the next few

1:07:141:07:18

days. Theresa May is facing an

extraordinarily difficult task to

1:07:181:07:21

try to please people on all sides,

including those in her own party now

1:07:211:07:26

expressing some nervousness that she

has compromised too far, with some

1:07:261:07:33

giving the suggestion they are not

prepared to see her change her

1:07:331:07:37

position on what Britain's

relationship with the EU will look

1:07:371:07:39

like after Brexit. I think where we

are now is again a crucial couple of

1:07:391:07:46

days for Theresa May to get the DUP

back on side and take something to

1:07:461:07:51

Brussels to try to satisfy everyone.

Thank you very much. Good to talk to

1:07:511:07:57

you.

1:07:571:08:06

Wildfires tear through

Southern California as thousands

1:08:061:08:08

of people are forced

to flee from their homes.

1:08:081:08:12

California has been hit hard by

wildfires in recent months. 40 were

1:08:121:08:19

killed in northern California's wine

region in October.

1:08:191:08:26

Russia has been banned

from competing at next year's winter

1:08:261:08:29

Olympics in South Korea

following an investigation

1:08:291:08:31

into state-sponsored doping

at the Sochi Games four years ago.

1:08:311:08:32

The International Olympic Committee

issued the punishment yesterday,

1:08:321:08:34

but said Russian athletes who can

prove they are clean will be allowed

1:08:341:08:38

to compete, under a neutral flag.

1:08:381:08:39

We can talk now to our Moscow

correspondent Steve Rosenberg

1:08:391:08:42

for the latest.

1:08:421:08:46

Presumably, they are not used in

Russia.

Not at all. There is a sense

1:08:461:08:52

of deep disappointment mixed with

outrage and a sense of injustice.

1:08:521:08:56

For example, the Deputy Speaker of

the Russian parliament said this was

1:08:561:09:01

a humiliation to Russia. A leading

figure skater trainer said they

1:09:011:09:07

murdered Russian sport. They said it

was a punch in the stomach. The

1:09:071:09:14

Russian government paper today is

not holding back. It says the IOC

1:09:141:09:18

with its monstrous decision has

speak in our face. -- spit. Despite

1:09:181:09:28

all of the evidence from the IOC and

the multiple reports and testimonies

1:09:281:09:36

from whistleblowers are very still

unwillingness and reluctance in

1:09:361:09:42

Russia to admit they are at fault.

Thank you very much. Live from

1:09:421:09:46

Moscow.

1:09:461:09:50

Christine Keeler, the model

at the centre of the Profumo affair

1:09:501:09:53

of the 1960s, has died

at the age of 75.

1:09:531:09:56

She became famous after it

emerged she'd had an affair

1:09:561:09:58

with both the Conservative minister

John Profumo and with a Russian

1:09:581:10:01

diplomat, at the height

of the Cold War.

1:10:011:10:04

The scandal was considered

by many to be the downfall

1:10:041:10:06

of the Macmillan government.

1:10:061:10:09

We will be talking about her life

later on in the programme. We will

1:10:091:10:14

be talking to the producer of the

movie Scandal about her life.

1:10:141:10:19

We're returning to our top story,

and details of an alleged terror

1:10:191:10:22

plot targeting Theresa May has made

it onto many of the front

1:10:221:10:25

pages this morning.

1:10:251:10:26

Let's take a look.

1:10:261:10:27

The Times goes with,

Security Services thwart Islamist

1:10:271:10:29

plot to kill Prime Minister.

1:10:291:10:37

According to the Telegraph,

1:10:371:10:38

two men have been charged

with terror offences and are due

1:10:381:10:41

to appear at Westminister

magistrates court.

1:10:411:10:43

The Daily Mirror describes how two

suspects were arrested

1:10:431:10:45

during raids in London

and Birmingham last week.

1:10:451:10:48

And there's more detail in the Sun,

which reports that one

1:10:481:10:50

of the men was allegedly carrying

two improvised explosive devices

1:10:501:10:53

when he was stopped.

1:10:531:10:54

Yesterday, Andrew Parker,

the head of MI5, briefed

1:10:541:10:56

the Prime Minister and the cabinet

about nine alleged terror plots that

1:10:561:11:00

have been foiled

since March this year.

1:11:001:11:04

Let's speak to Lord Carlile,

the former independent reviewer

1:11:041:11:06

of terrorism legislation who's

in London this morning.

1:11:061:11:11

Thank you very much for joining us

on the programme today. We are

1:11:111:11:15

hearing about this alleged plot to

kill Theresa May this morning.

1:11:151:11:19

People are due in court. Proceedings

ongoing. It highlights the scale of

1:11:191:11:28

the issue police are facing in this

country at the moment.

It certainly

1:11:281:11:32

does. Obviously, we cannot talk

about the case because it girl has

1:11:321:11:36

to go through legal processes, but

it is different to the one David

1:11:361:11:42

Anderson was considering in his

report yesterday. -- it still. That

1:11:421:11:46

kind of plot tends to target soft

targets. I am sorry about the

1:11:461:11:53

background noise. Soft targets like

the Manchester Arena and Borough

1:11:531:11:58

Market. There is a real concern that

victims should be protected at those

1:11:581:12:02

soft targets. David Anderson's

report in the review of security

1:12:021:12:08

behind it are very important steps

in the protection of victims.

The

1:12:081:12:14

Home Secretary, Amber Rudd, talked

about the nine terror attacks

1:12:141:12:18

prevented in the UK since the

Westminster attack back in March. Do

1:12:181:12:21

you think the government is doing

enough? Are they doing all they can

1:12:211:12:26

in a situation where it is almost

impossible to stop all of these

1:12:261:12:30

plots?

Well, it is certainly true

that it is going to be impossible to

1:12:301:12:36

stop every plot. That is just

reality. But behind David Anderson's

1:12:361:12:41

report, there is the review which

reduced 126 recommendations of how

1:12:411:12:45

we can improve protecting the public

from outrageous terrorist attacks. I

1:12:451:12:51

hope that all of those

recommendations will be put into

1:12:511:12:55

effect soon. They include, very

importantly, better methodology for

1:12:551:13:02

dealing with electronically obtained

information, better co-operation

1:13:021:13:07

between counter-terrorism police and

community police officers, and also,

1:13:071:13:12

that the procedures and reports. The

Manchester Arena perpetrator entered

1:13:121:13:21

the country through a port and was

not picked up despite being one

1:13:211:13:27

important databases. We don't want

that to happen again and hope the

1:13:271:13:32

measures recommended will give a

reasonable guarantee that it will

1:13:321:13:35

not happen again, as good a

guarantee as one could have in these

1:13:351:13:40

difficult circumstances. Let's not

forget, though, that the police and

1:13:401:13:46

counterterrorism authorities are now

predicting one plot per month and

1:13:461:13:52

are apprehending them, which is

good.

The Manchester Arena bombing,

1:13:521:13:58

to pick up some detail, we will

speak to someone who was there that

1:13:581:14:02

night hosted the bomber in question.

It seems it could have been

1:14:021:14:09

prevented. -- close to the bomber.

David Anderson said it could

1:14:091:14:16

possibly have been prevented, he did

not say should have been prevented.

1:14:161:14:20

Yes, it could possibly have been

prevented if everything had fallen

1:14:201:14:23

to place. It would have been

prevented. That rarely happens. The

1:14:231:14:30

recommendations made in the report

behind David Anderson's review make

1:14:301:14:35

it as certain as we ever can be that

such terrorists will be picked up

1:14:351:14:40

before they carry out their

activities, but there are no

1:14:401:14:44

guarantees.

Many people will be

turning on their television this

1:14:441:14:49

morning and learning about this

terror plot on the front page of the

1:14:491:14:53

paper is, the attempt to kill the

Prime Minister this morning. --

1:14:531:14:57

papers. Do you have any words of

reassurance given what you have said

1:14:571:15:05

about the Manchester Arena bombing

and how police apprehend these

1:15:051:15:08

people? Do we have the right level

of counterterrorism at the moment?

1:15:081:15:12

Derby in a good place? -- are we in

a good place?

My words of

1:15:121:15:19

reassurance are strong compared to

the rest of the world. We have the

1:15:191:15:23

best counterterrorism policing and

certainly the best security services

1:15:231:15:25

which are the envy of the world. We

can always do better. The whole

1:15:251:15:31

point of asking David Anderson to

produce his review was to make sure

1:15:311:15:37

that an independent person with very

good judgement looked at the new

1:15:371:15:41

decisions which were being made by

the authorities in their effort to

1:15:411:15:44

minimise the risk of terrorism to

members of the public. I think the

1:15:441:15:50

public can be reassured we are doing

at least as well as anywhere in the

1:15:501:15:55

world, probably better

1:15:551:15:57

at least as well as anywhere in the

world, probably better.

1:15:571:16:01

Thank you very much. The pair in

connection with that plot were

1:16:011:16:05

arrested on the 28th of November by

officers from the net

1:16:051:16:09

counterterrorism team and they will

be in court later today. -- met.

1:16:091:16:13

Staying with the Manchester Arena

bombing, we're joined in the studio

1:16:131:16:16

by Robby Potter who was injured

in the terror attack.

1:16:161:16:19

I want to ask first of all, I know

you were badly injured in the

1:16:191:16:23

attack, how are you?

Still

recovering, but still fighting fit,

1:16:231:16:26

hopefully fighting fit soon.

They

called you a miracle.

It was.

Give

1:16:261:16:31

us a sense of why.

Besides the

kneecaps getting fractured and

1:16:311:16:37

losing nerves in my foot, I had

something stuck in my heart and a

1:16:371:16:42

collapsed lung and shrapnel through

my neck and shoulders.

Physically

1:16:421:16:46

you're getting better but it's a

long road back.

A long way to go.

1:16:461:16:51

Mentally are you able to process

what took place that night?

Year.

1:16:511:16:55

There's a flu few flashbacks, they

hurt, especially this coming up now

1:16:551:17:01

-- yeah -- few flashbacks.

Does that

get easier with time?

Yes and no,

1:17:011:17:11

sometimes it is bad.

Your girlfriend

was badly injured as well, how is

1:17:111:17:15

she?

She got out of hospital two

weeks ago but she is in a wheelchair

1:17:151:17:21

friendly house right now because she

got more badly hurt.

We are hearing

1:17:211:17:25

the Manchester Arena bomber had been

a so-called subject of interest and

1:17:251:17:30

some opportunities to stop him were

missed. When you hear that, what are

1:17:301:17:34

your thoughts?

It's annoying but it

seems like we're blaming the wrong

1:17:341:17:38

people. This stops with the

government, they could have stopped

1:17:381:17:42

this, they could stop terrorism in

this country. If we stop political

1:17:421:17:47

correctness and give the powers that

be, like the gentleman said, we've

1:17:471:17:51

got the best forces in the world,

the police have been brilliant with

1:17:511:17:55

me, fantastic, especially terrorism

police. Fantastic. They've told me

1:17:551:18:00

everything I'm allowed to know but

someone has to get reported for

1:18:001:18:05

visiting someone on a website. We

should report it straightaway, not

1:18:051:18:09

when they think it is OK. That

night, pull them in.

Thanks for your

1:18:091:18:14

time and best of luck to you and

your girlfriend with your recovery.

1:18:141:18:18

Thanks for coming.

No worries, thank

you.

Thanks very much.

1:18:181:18:26

Carol has the weather for us now.

1:18:261:18:28

It's in Hyde Park but it is colder

inside and outside?

-- she's.

1:18:281:18:34

It is. Good morning. It is -10 in

here and inside the magical eyes

1:18:351:18:42

kingdom at Winter Wonderland it is

very cold and very magical. A deep

1:18:421:18:46

sea adventure theme -- magical eyes

kingdom. It has lots of different

1:18:461:18:52

fish and shells. -- ice. You can see

the maritime sculptures, culminating

1:18:521:19:00

over here in an octopus. It's a

giant octopus, it is made of 36 tons

1:19:001:19:05

of snow and in fact they used over

500 tons of real eyes and snow to

1:19:051:19:11

put together the whole of this

magical eyes kingdom. -- ice and

1:19:111:19:16

snow. If you come and see it, wrap

up warmly because it is perishing.

1:19:161:19:21

Outside it is quite a different

story because outside it is warm.

1:19:211:19:26

Mild for the time of year and very

mild later in the day for some

1:19:261:19:31

parts, especially Northern Ireland

and Scotland. Some rain in the

1:19:311:19:35

forecast and wind, especially across

Scotland and some rain making good

1:19:351:19:39

advances in woods from the

north-west. The rest of Scotland,

1:19:391:19:43

largely dry but fairly cloudy. For

Northern England, the north-west

1:19:431:19:46

seeing one or two showers this

morning and the north-east seeing

1:19:461:19:49

some breaks. Further south into the

Midlands, East Anglia, Essex, Kent,

1:19:491:19:55

southern counties, by 9am, still Jo

cloudy, some brighter breaks, some

1:19:551:19:59

showers -- till cloudy. In the

south-west of England there will be

1:19:591:20:06

some and some in Wales -- still

cloudy. Equally there will be some

1:20:061:20:10

sunshine around. In Northern

Ireland, similar to Scotland in the

1:20:101:20:13

sense that you will have a wet day

and also a windy one. As we go

1:20:131:20:19

through the course of the day the

rain across the north-west will

1:20:191:20:22

slowly moved south-east. It will be

windy wherever you are today but

1:20:221:20:27

particularly across the north and we

will see one or two brighter breaks

1:20:271:20:30

coming through the cloud further

south. Temperatures today in the

1:20:301:20:33

range of ten to 12, but in the north

coast of Northern Ireland, the Moray

1:20:331:20:39

Firth, could see 13, above average

for this stage in December. Through

1:20:391:20:43

the evening and overnight the wind

will continue to strengthen. In

1:20:431:20:46

fact, by the end of the night we'll

have gales in the west, rain

1:20:461:20:50

careering south-east and by the end

of the night we will have Storm

1:20:501:20:54

Caroline coming in across north-west

Scotland, so storm force winds here.

1:20:541:20:58

As well as that we'll also have snow

showers coming in, even to lower

1:20:581:21:03

levels across north-west Scotland by

the end of the night. Tomorrow,

1:21:031:21:07

Storm Caroline will move east across

the north of Scotland. The strongest

1:21:071:21:11

winds always in the far north but

there will be strong winds as far

1:21:111:21:15

south as the Central Lowlands for

the rush-hour. Couple that with snow

1:21:151:21:18

down to low levels in the north of

Scotland and we're looking at

1:21:181:21:22

blizzards. The rain will continue to

cross England and Wales, clearing

1:21:221:21:26

the south-east quickly, driven on by

strong winds. Behind it, brighter

1:21:261:21:31

conditions with showers. Feeling

colder with large waves down the

1:21:311:21:35

east coast. For Friday we'll start

off in the morning with snow showers

1:21:351:21:40

in parts of Scotland, Northern

Ireland, north-west England,

1:21:401:21:43

potentially around Manchester and

also not Wales. Some of those will

1:21:431:21:47

go inland and will carry on through

the day, but equally a bit of dry

1:21:471:21:52

weather and sunshine but not feeling

warm -- north Wales. As we head into

1:21:521:21:56

the weekend, we're not done with the

snow showers yet, and on Sunday

1:21:561:22:01

there's the potential for some

significant snow. We're looking at

1:22:011:22:05

rain, sleet and snow coming in from

the west and the areas most likely

1:22:051:22:09

to see it are across the Midlands

and anywhere north of that. The

1:22:091:22:13

significance snow will be with

height in the Pennines example but

1:22:131:22:16

we could see some at low levels --

significant. It could change but

1:22:161:22:21

it's worth knowing about if you have

travel plans, keep watching the

1:22:211:22:25

weather forecast.

1:22:251:22:26

Thanks very much. It looks so

beautiful and calm. I know it is

1:22:281:22:32

freezing but thank you!

LAUGHTER

that is the face she wanted to do!

I

1:22:321:22:40

hope you saw that at home! Go and

have another tea!

Go outside and get

1:22:401:22:45

warm, Carol! And she is off again!

1:22:451:22:51

Flu season is well under way

and doctors are urging vulnerable

1:22:511:22:54

people to have their vaccine

because this year it could be more

1:22:541:22:57

important than ever.

1:22:571:22:58

Yes, Australia has just been

through a particularly bad flu

1:22:581:23:01

period with a 50% rise in cases,

and some scientists are warning that

1:23:011:23:04

could mean a tough

season for us too.

1:23:041:23:06

In a moment, John Maguire

reports on the search

1:23:061:23:09

for a new vaccine here,

but first our Sydney correspondent

1:23:091:23:11

Hywel Griffiths reports

from Australia.

1:23:111:23:16

Mark knows first-hand just how hard

the flu virus hit Australia this

1:23:161:23:20

year. As does his wife Eve and

therefore children, Megan, Zach,

1:23:201:23:27

Amelia and Matilda. Every single one

of them became ill. It was me and

1:23:271:23:36

then Zach and then dad and mum and

then Megan.

It really knocked us

1:23:361:23:41

about, we were literally in bed for

two or three days, very difficult if

1:23:411:23:45

you've got kids because you know

what it's like, they pick it up at

1:23:451:23:49

preschool and bring it home.

They

weren't alone. 2017 saw a 50% rise

1:23:491:23:55

in flu cases across Australia. It

wasn't a pandemic but there was an

1:23:551:23:59

increase in deaths, mostly among the

elderly. The flu season is now over

1:23:591:24:05

and Australia is heading towards its

summer but doctors were left

1:24:051:24:08

wondering why it was so bad and

what, if anything, it means for

1:24:081:24:11

people living in the northern

hemisphere. This professor has been

1:24:111:24:15

tracking the clinical data for

Australia. One of the key concerns

1:24:151:24:19

here is that this year's vaccine did

not work well. The vaccine we had

1:24:191:24:24

this year was poor with vulnerable

people so in healthy people it was

1:24:241:24:31

25%, 30%, 40% effective but in

elderly people it worked quite

1:24:311:24:36

poorly.

As it arrives in the UK the flu

1:24:361:24:38

virus would necessarily have the

same impact, it's constantly

1:24:381:24:42

changing and mutating, but families

are being warned it could be a tough

1:24:421:24:46

winter in the northern hemisphere.

John Maguire takes up the story.

1:24:461:24:49

Here

1:24:491:24:50

researchers are working on a new

universal vaccine, one that doesn't

1:24:511:24:57

have to be remade every winter. It's

a game changer and they've just

1:24:571:25:01

started human trials. The study is

now full this year. Scientists are

1:25:011:25:09

recruiting 2000 over 65-year-olds

and will monitor them for two years.

1:25:091:25:13

It's the first big trial of its

kind. All are having their flu jab

1:25:131:25:18

as normal but some are receiving the

new vaccine.

We have to keep

1:25:181:25:22

changing what's in the flu vaccine

because the virus keeps mutating

1:25:221:25:25

every year and the vaccine has to

keep changing to keep up with it.

1:25:251:25:29

But if we can get an immune response

to work against other parts of the

1:25:291:25:33

flu virus, the parts that don't

change, we could have a vaccine that

1:25:331:25:38

is universal and works against all

influenza strains and it may last

1:25:381:25:41

longer than one year.

Experts are

divided over whether or not a bad

1:25:411:25:45

winter flu season in Australia means

the same here. Vaccine is normally

1:25:451:25:49

work around half the time. But

doctors say at the moment it's the

1:25:491:25:53

best protection we have.

It's a case

of protecting society and although

1:25:531:25:58

someone might think they are

physically very strong and can fight

1:25:581:26:02

something off, it's going to be

their neighbour or someone at work

1:26:021:26:05

who's got some disability, lung

disease, and we want to protect them

1:26:051:26:09

as well.

And as that vaccination

continues at a pace, so far this

1:26:091:26:14

season flu numbers have been low.

But, as Australia experienced, flu

1:26:141:26:20

outbreaks can quickly become very

serious and very difficult to fight.

1:26:201:26:24

John Maguire, BBC News, Oxford.

1:26:241:26:29

A timely report, isn't it? We were

discussing that this week?

I was

1:26:291:26:35

presenting Breakfast on Christmas

Day and I woke up at 3:30am with flu

1:26:351:26:40

and there's nothing you can do.

You

were OK?

I was OK but a very high

1:26:401:26:47

temperatures and you can't exactly

call you on Christmas Day.

You

1:26:471:26:50

definitely can't?

! Who are you

going to call?

Ghostbusters!

People

1:26:501:26:58

were very sympathetic but there's

nothing else you can do. Who else is

1:26:581:27:04

going to turn up at 3:30 a.m.?

That's what I like about you,

1:27:041:27:08

Louise, you take one for the nation

even on Christmas Day!

There's no

1:27:081:27:13

other option! Sorry about that

1:27:131:30:34

Now it's back

to Dan and Louise.

1:30:341:30:36

Bye bye.

1:30:361:30:37

Hello.

1:30:461:30:47

Welcome back.

1:30:471:30:48

This is Breakfast with Dan Walker

and Louise Minchin.

1:30:481:30:52

Two men have been charged by police

in connection with an alleged plot

1:30:521:30:55

to kill the Prime Minister.

1:30:551:30:57

Both suspects were detained last

month and have been charged

1:30:571:30:59

with terrorism offences.

1:30:591:31:04

The details of their plans were made

public after the head of MI5 briefed

1:31:041:31:08

the government yesterday about nine

alleged terror plots that have been

1:31:081:31:11

foiled since March this year.

1:31:111:31:16

22 plots of tinfoil tinselly rig

the. -- plots have been foiled since

1:31:161:31:25

Lee Rigby. Certainly in this report

by David Anderson, we are seeing

1:31:251:31:33

some of the sophistication behind

the organisation and the planning of

1:31:331:31:37

these plots which again show what

the services are up against.

1:31:371:31:48

The White House says President Trump

is to recognise Jerusalem

1:31:481:31:50

as the capital of Israel

and will direct the State Department

1:31:501:31:53

to begin the process of moving

the US Embassy there from Tel Aviv.

1:31:531:31:57

Arab leaders earlier warned

against moving the embassy,

1:31:571:31:59

saying it would be "a flagrant

provocation to Muslims."

1:31:591:32:01

But officials said Mr Trump

would not move the US embassy

1:32:011:32:05

from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem

immediately, and it could

1:32:051:32:07

take several years.

1:32:071:32:11

This is a big break with official US

policy in decades of international

1:32:111:32:15

consensus. It is causing a big stir.

At the moment, all countries that

1:32:151:32:21

have embassies in Israel keep them

in or near to Tel Aviv and do not

1:32:211:32:27

recognise Jerusalem officially as

the capital of Israel. That is

1:32:271:32:30

because Israel sees all of the city

as its eternal undivided capital.

1:32:301:32:34

Palestinians want is to the recent,

the occupied part of the city, to be

1:32:341:32:41

their capital in a future

Palestinian State. -- East

1:32:411:32:44

Jerusalem. It has long been the

international view there should all

1:32:441:32:47

be worked out, the status of

Jerusalem, in a peace deal between

1:32:471:32:54

Israel and the Palestinians. But

Donald Trump says he is delivering

1:32:541:32:57

on a campaign pledge he made to move

the embassy and to give recognition

1:32:571:33:02

to Jerusalem. Israelis will see that

as correcting an historic injustice.

1:33:021:33:07

But Mahmoud of us, when he spoke to

Donald Trump last night, he said

1:33:071:33:13

this would have dangerous

consequences, along with other Arab

1:33:131:33:18

leaders -- Abbas. They say this will

inflame religious tensions. They are

1:33:181:33:27

also warning this will jeopardise

his attempts to get the ultimate

1:33:271:33:32

peace deal, as he has called it,

between Israel and the Palestinians.

1:33:321:33:38

'S Binky.

1:33:381:33:38

Banks should end all

unauthorised overdraft charges

1:33:441:33:46

because they are trapping

people in persistent debt,

1:33:461:33:48

the financial charity

StepChange has said.

1:33:481:33:50

It says two million people in the UK

used their overdraft facility every

1:33:501:33:53

month last year.

1:33:531:33:54

The organisation wants banks

and regulators to do more

1:33:541:33:57

to identify people caught up

in a "vicious cycle of borrowing."

1:33:571:34:00

Tens of thousands of people have

been forced to flee from the path

1:34:001:34:03

of wildfires in Southern California.

1:34:031:34:05

Hundreds of buildings have been

destroyed by the blazes and several

1:34:051:34:08

thousand homes are under mandatory

evacuation in the cities of Ventura

1:34:081:34:11

and Santa Paula,

north of Los Angeles.

1:34:111:34:13

California has been hit hard

by wildfires in recent months.

1:34:131:34:15

At least 40 people were killed

when fires ripped through parts

1:34:151:34:18

of northern California's

wine region in October.

1:34:181:34:29

You might remember that. Christine

Keeler, the model at the centre of

1:34:291:34:42

the Profumo Affair of the 1960s, has

died at the age of 75.

1:34:421:34:47

She became famous after it emerged

she'd had an affair with both the

1:34:471:34:50

Conservative minister John Profumo

and with a Russian diplomat, at the

1:34:501:34:53

height of the Cold War. The scandal

was considered by many to be the

1:34:531:34:57

downfall of the Macmillan

government.

1:34:571:34:58

A former American Football stadium

in Michigan has finally been

1:34:581:35:01

successfully demolished a day

after an attempt to bring

1:35:011:35:04

it down failed.

1:35:041:35:04

A plan to demolish the derelict

Silverdome stadium

1:35:041:35:07

near Detroit went wrong,

when a series of explosives failed

1:35:071:35:09

to detonate on Sunday,

disappointing thousands

1:35:091:35:11

of spectators.

1:35:111:35:12

Did we show you this yesterday?

Perhaps it is a set of different

1:35:121:35:15

pictures. We did see this yesterday.

I can confirm. This is new!

No, it

1:35:151:35:22

is the same! That is the top level.

We have officially lost the news!

We

1:35:221:35:30

have always wanted to say that!

If

we are doing yesterday's news today,

1:35:301:35:37

that means England have not yet lost

the second test!

Shall we just talk

1:35:371:35:46

about Tuesday's news?

We were full

of optimism!

We need Australia to

1:35:461:35:54

the average bowling, I said that

last night, and perhaps we could

1:35:541:35:59

have a chance. They did not listen.

They have been excellent. If you are

1:35:591:36:08

just waking up, I am sorry, but

England are now 2-0 down in the

1:36:081:36:13

Ashes.

1:36:131:36:16

It did not take long.

1:36:161:36:17

It took about an hour and 45 minutes

for England's six remaining batsmen

1:36:171:36:21

to go down in Adelaide.

1:36:211:36:22

Chris Woakes was out

from the second ball of the day.

1:36:221:36:25

That was the first thing I heard.

1:36:251:36:27

Captain Joe Root quickly

followed without adding

1:36:271:36:29

to his overnight score.

1:36:291:36:30

And the wickets just kept tumbling.

1:36:301:36:31

Jonny Bairstow was

the last man to go.

1:36:311:36:34

England, all out for 233.

1:36:341:36:35

The Australians win

the second test by 120 runs.

1:36:351:36:37

And the Swiss is an Adelaide. How to

England comeback from this? -- Andy

1:36:371:36:43

Swiss.

It will be difficult. It is a

shame. England came here with such

1:36:431:36:50

high hopes. They were here in big

numbers. They believed England could

1:36:501:36:55

pull it off. Chris Woakes was out

second ball. The writing was on the

1:36:551:37:04

wall. The real damage was done in

the first innings in Adelaide with

1:37:041:37:08

bat and ball. England have a problem

with their batting. Many players

1:37:081:37:13

getting T20- 30-40. No one making

big dig entries like Shaun Marsh.

1:37:131:37:21

Captain Joe Root has taken positives

out of the performance.

1:37:211:37:40

The way we went about the second

innings proved to everyone we are

1:37:401:37:43

still massively in this series. It

is as simple as that. Throughout the

1:37:431:37:47

two games we have had periods where

we outperformed Australia. Just not

1:37:471:37:50

all of it. If we get that right and

we can perform to our ability for

1:37:501:37:54

longer periods of time, we will win

games. It is as simple as that.

1:37:541:38:01

This morning, before the game,

I thought if we get a few wickets

1:38:011:38:04

that would be good.

1:38:041:38:05

180 runs was a lot of runs.

1:38:051:38:07

It was pleasing Josh was able

to come out and do what he did.

1:38:071:38:11

His length was exceptional.

1:38:111:38:12

Obviously, he got Joe Root.

1:38:121:38:13

That put us in a good position.

1:38:131:38:29

It was an impressive performance

from Josh Hazlewood and the rest of

1:38:291:38:32

Australia's rollers. That means they

lead 2-0 in the series. -- bowlers.

1:38:321:38:38

If they win the next test match in

Perth next week, they will regain

1:38:381:38:44

the Ashes. The bad news for England

is they have not got victory in

1:38:441:38:48

Perth since 1978, nearly 40 years

ago. They have a week to prepare.

1:38:481:38:54

They have a practice match on the

weekend. They can look at some

1:38:541:38:58

options. I was speaking to the

famous former English batsman,

1:38:581:39:03

Geoffrey Boycott, and he said

England have no chance. A bit of

1:39:031:39:06

work to do.

Oh dear. Loving the

positivity.

We need a new plan for

1:39:061:39:15

Perth. Thank you very much. I am

moving on quickly.

1:39:151:39:21

Chelsea had to settle for second

place in their Champions League

1:39:211:39:24

group, so face the risk

of being drawn against one

1:39:241:39:27

of the favourites in

the knockout stage.

1:39:271:39:29

They drew 1-1 with Spanish

side Atletico Madrid.

1:39:291:39:31

Chelsea fell behind

but they equalised thanks

1:39:311:39:33

to an own goal in the second half.

1:39:331:39:35

It means they could now face

Barcelona or Paris Sant Germain

1:39:351:39:38

in the last 16.

1:39:381:39:39

Manchester United finish top

of Group A, but they had to come

1:39:391:39:42

from behind to beat CSKA Moscow.

1:39:421:39:44

They were 1-0 down at half-time

but two quickfire goals

1:39:441:39:47

from Romelu Lukaku and Marcus

Rashford sealed a 2-1 win

1:39:471:39:49

for Jose Mourinho's side.

1:39:491:39:51

United reach the knockout stage

for the first time in three years

1:39:511:39:54

and equal a club record 40 matches

unbeaten at Old Trafford.

1:39:541:39:57

Celtic have qualified

for the Europa League despite losing

1:39:571:39:59

1-0 to Belgian side Anderlecht.

1:39:591:40:01

The Scottish champions knew they had

to avoid defeat by three goals

1:40:011:40:04

or more to seal third

place in Group B.

1:40:041:40:06

Russia has been banned

from competing at next year's winter

1:40:061:40:08

Ronnie O'Sullivan is the highest

seed left in snooker's UK

1:40:111:40:14

Championship going into the last 16.

1:40:141:40:16

The world number four easily beat

Michael White in the third round.

1:40:161:40:19

O'Sullivan made a break of 132

on his way to winning by six

1:40:191:40:22

frames to one.

1:40:221:40:24

He's looking to equal Steve Davis'

record of six UK titles this week.

1:40:241:40:27

But he might not be around to break

that record next year.

1:40:271:40:30

Ronnie says he's got eyes

on appearing on "I'm

1:40:301:40:33

a Celebrity Get Me Out Of Here."

1:40:331:40:41

I used to think, I could not do

that, I have to be a pure snooker

1:40:411:40:45

player.

1:40:451:40:45

But you get to a stage

where you think this is painful,

1:40:451:40:49

that is fine, it is a good laugh.

1:40:491:40:51

And that is great.

1:40:511:40:52

I want to do as much as I can.

1:40:521:40:55

But as long as I am in the top 64.

1:40:551:40:57

It doesn't matter any more.

1:40:571:40:59

Why not?

1:40:591:41:05

Good luck to him. Thank you.

1:41:051:41:13

Fake news can be made to look so

convincing, especially on social

1:41:131:41:16

media. How are children meant to

tell the difference?

BBC is

1:41:161:41:23

launching a new initiative to help

young people identify real news.

1:41:231:41:32

This is how children to find fake

news.

1:41:321:41:36

-- define.

When someone spreads

rumours that are not true.

If it is

1:41:361:41:44

serious news, it can get you worry

in and thinking about stuff too

1:41:441:41:47

much.

If I hear something and

believe it, I feel like I am being

1:41:471:41:52

tricked.

It is very persuasive. You

think it is real.

If it is fake, you

1:41:521:42:00

don't know what is actually

happening in the world.

We now know

1:42:001:42:06

how to spot fake news using the type

of language that the article uses.

I

1:42:061:42:13

now know that something is fake

because I can check the brand of it

1:42:131:42:18

and I can research it on the

Internet.

UKIP we were given about

1:42:181:42:22

spotting fake news is look at the

title. -- The tip. Look at how big

1:42:221:42:29

the company is and look at the type

of writing.

The best advice I got

1:42:291:42:34

was look for a proper brand.

1:42:341:42:42

They seem to know what they are

doing. Joining us is the editor in

1:42:421:42:51

chief of First News for Children.

And also the woman who carried out

1:42:511:42:55

this study on fake news. It is

interesting to see what the children

1:42:551:43:00

had to say. What were the main

findings?

Everything you saw, they

1:43:001:43:05

are very savvy on the eerie. They

absolutely get it. -- theory. But

1:43:051:43:12

with practice, they can come

unstuck. That was the key finding.

1:43:121:43:16

They want to trust news sources and

outlets. The BBC, Sky News, it is

1:43:161:43:25

deal important to them, but they are

accessing it through Snapchat and

1:43:251:43:29

YouTube. That is the difference we

are finding.

OK.

You obviously deal

1:43:291:43:34

in real news. What would you say to

children trying to spot it? What

1:43:341:43:40

would you tell people to look out

for specifically?

The issue clearly

1:43:401:43:46

is that the Internet is a fantastic

source of information.

1:43:461:43:51

Unfortunately, it is also a

fantastic source of misinformation.

1:43:511:43:54

And children do not have the ability

to tell the difference. Sometimes it

1:43:541:43:59

is difficult for adults as well.

They are not taught to question

1:43:591:44:03

things either at school and at home.

They are taught things as fact. We

1:44:031:44:08

need to say to children that you

have to question things and don't

1:44:081:44:15

just accept things you hear.

Some

children are naturally questioning

1:44:151:44:19

everything and others are slightly

more accepting. There is a

1:44:191:44:24

difference in children. But I

suppose that teaching in school a

1:44:241:44:31

framework of how to look at a story,

that is essential in the modern era.

1:44:311:44:35

Absolutely. It has to be embedded.

But not just a tag on. It has to be

1:44:351:44:42

embedded into everything they do.

They live in a digital world. We

1:44:421:44:46

need to talk about that with them

all of the time. And also at home.

1:44:461:44:51

Families and carers, the need to

talk about that with their children.

1:44:511:44:55

It is important for you that

children know what the trust as

1:44:551:45:00

well, what type of media to trust

and what kind of sources. -- what to

1:45:001:45:09

trust.

There needs to be education

for parents to see children should

1:45:091:45:14

not be on social networks until they

are 13, but unfortunately that horse

1:45:141:45:18

has bolted. We cannot close that

date. We need to sit to children, as

1:45:181:45:27

they were saying just now, check

your sources and have a look. --

1:45:271:45:31

gate. Is it a reputable source of

information? Before the brands you

1:45:311:45:36

know. Look for BBC and Sky News and

brands you know and trust.

1:45:361:45:44

It sounds silly to say go and check

work, what you're reading, soap

1:45:441:45:49

trusted sources?

-- check what

you're reading -- so trusted

1:45:491:45:55

stories.

And you found out they

trusted TV news?

Great! They were

1:45:551:46:02

less trustworthy of radio because

they conceded. That indicates the

1:46:021:46:06

visual world children live in. They

tell stories through pictures and

1:46:061:46:10

images rather than writing and

reading further and in-depth

1:46:101:46:15

knowledge.

There's a comment about

Prince Harry, saying they knew he

1:46:151:46:19

was getting married because they saw

him say that. That's a good source,

1:46:191:46:23

isn't it? Primary source. Go back to

your source. At this time of day

1:46:231:46:29

there's many parents watching, if

they are having this, safe and with

1:46:291:46:33

their children, either after this or

later after they come back from

1:46:331:46:36

school, what would be the most

important piece of advice you would

1:46:361:46:40

give on this issue?

Discuss it. Ask

children what they think, what they

1:46:401:46:46

believe and then start to

investigate. There isn't a rule

1:46:461:46:49

book, there isn't this is what you

must do, ABC, but open discussions

1:46:491:46:53

and children want to have those

discussions.

Too often parents don't

1:46:531:46:58

want to talk to children about these

topics because they hope they

1:46:581:47:02

haven't heard about it but that's

dangerous because they go into the

1:47:021:47:05

playground and they hear

misinformation and things second or

1:47:051:47:09

third hand.

Is there a particular

type of story that children engage

1:47:091:47:14

with or is it individuals?

It's

everything. The NSPCC and ChildLine

1:47:141:47:22

have recorded a huge increase in

calls about anxiety related to the

1:47:221:47:26

news and it's really important we

address that. It isn't just about

1:47:261:47:30

fake news per se but it's about the

way real news is reported in a

1:47:301:47:35

nonsense Asian list, scary way. We

all as the media need to look at how

1:47:351:47:41

we are reporting things and how they

are heard -- Eynon sensationalist.

1:47:411:47:48

Any age group could be watching us

on Breakfast. -- eight long on

1:47:481:47:54

sensationalist -- a non-

sensationalist.

The Manchester

1:47:541:48:02

attack and Grenfell Tower, they were

really significant so how they play

1:48:021:48:06

out on Twitter is really important

as well.

Very interesting. You know

1:48:061:48:11

who we can always trust?

Carol

Kirkwood. She might tell us things

1:48:111:48:15

about snow and ice but she always

tells us nicely. Good morning,

1:48:151:48:19

Carol.

Good morning. I'm in a Winter

Wonderland this morning in Hyde Park

1:48:191:48:27

in London. You can see the iconic

big wheel, it's very psychedelic.

1:48:271:48:31

Lots going on here, Christmas

markets and lots of fun for the

1:48:311:48:36

whole family with various rides. And

of course the magical ice kingdom.

1:48:361:48:41

We were there earlier. It's -10

inside and outside it is ten, much

1:48:411:48:47

warmer, we've literally come outside

to warmup.

1:48:471:48:50

The forecast today for all is a mild

one and for some it will be very

1:48:511:48:55

mild. A lot of cloud around but also

rain and windy conditions in the

1:48:551:49:00

forecast as well. If we start at

looking at Scotland, at 9am today we

1:49:001:49:06

have rain, rain coming in across the

north-west, accompanied by strong

1:49:061:49:09

winds. A fairly windy night and a

windy day. In the north-west we

1:49:091:49:15

start off on a cloudy note but

mostly dry. In northern England, in

1:49:151:49:19

the north-west, you're not immune to

some showers but in the north-east,

1:49:191:49:23

brightness breaking through. As we

come south across the Midlands into

1:49:231:49:26

East Anglia, Essex and Kent, to the

Isle of Wight and southern counties

1:49:261:49:31

generally there's a lot of cloud

around. A few brighter breaks

1:49:311:49:34

developing but they will be fairly

transient and where we have the

1:49:341:49:38

thickest cloud, especially with

height, we could see showers, for

1:49:381:49:42

example in south-east England. In

Plymouth by 9am, 12. In Wales, a

1:49:421:49:48

cloudy start, again brighter breaks

developing but still light rain or

1:49:481:49:52

showers coming through the thickest

cloud but a wet start in Northern

1:49:521:49:55

Ireland and also windy. It will be

windy wherever you are today but the

1:49:551:50:00

strongest winds will be in the north

of the country. The rain will

1:50:001:50:04

continue to journey south-east

through the day, so the driest

1:50:041:50:08

conditions will be in most of

England and Wales. Temperature wise

1:50:081:50:12

today, pretty good shape, ten to 12,

but across the north coast of

1:50:121:50:17

Northern Ireland, around the Moray

Firth for example, we could see 13,

1:50:171:50:21

above average for this stage in

December. Through the evening and

1:50:211:50:25

overnight the wind will be a

feature, strengthening, gales across

1:50:251:50:29

the west and the rain will push

steadily south and by the end of the

1:50:291:50:33

night Storm Caroline will be showing

her hand in north-west Scotland with

1:50:331:50:37

storm force winds. Tomorrow, as well

as the storm force winds, we're also

1:50:371:50:42

going to have snow at lower levels

in the north of Scotland. Storm

1:50:421:50:46

Caroline will move from the west to

the east across northern Scotland,

1:50:461:50:51

but this swathe of strong winds will

probably extend down to the Central

1:50:511:50:55

Lowlands bore the worst our. With

the lying snow at low levels we

1:50:551:51:01

could have blizzards. -- for the

rush-hour. Big waves down the east

1:51:011:51:09

coast. The other thing worth

mentioning is that it will feel

1:51:091:51:13

colder. First thing on Friday we

could have snow showers in Scotland,

1:51:131:51:17

Northern Ireland, northern England

and north Wales, some of them will

1:51:171:51:21

blow well inland during the morning

and through the day. We won't be an

1:51:211:51:25

union to them through the day but a

lot of dry weather as well and again

1:51:251:51:29

feeling cold, if anything

temperatures lower than tomorrow --

1:51:291:51:33

would be immune. Still snow in the

forecast for the weekend. -- won't

1:51:331:51:38

be immune. May be some significant

snow on Sunday. There's the

1:51:381:51:42

potential for it but the timing and

placement could change. Coming in

1:51:421:51:47

from the west, later, rain sleet and

snow and the main areas will be in

1:51:471:51:52

high areas of the Midlands

Northwoods but worth keeping in

1:51:521:51:55

touch with the weather cast for

because that could change. --

1:51:551:51:58

Midlands north.

1:51:581:52:00

It is a bit steamed up, now, the

camera, because you are outside,

1:52:011:52:07

cameras don't like changes in

temperatures.

It was -10 inside the

1:52:071:52:11

display in Hyde Park but outside it

is much milder.

Looks like she has a

1:52:111:52:16

halo!

She always has one, I think!

1:52:161:52:19

It's fair to say that Deliveroo has

helped to change the face

1:52:191:52:22

of the British takeaway,

giving people in large towns

1:52:221:52:25

and cities the ability to have

all kinds of restaurant cuisine

1:52:251:52:28

delivered at the tap

of a smart phone.

1:52:281:52:30

But it's a business that's

been in the headlines

1:52:301:52:32

for negative reasons too.

1:52:321:52:34

Steph has the boss

with her this morning.

1:52:341:52:36

We have the boss with us this

morning and I will be talking with

1:52:361:52:39

him in a moment.

1:52:391:52:41

Deliveroo allows customes to order

food and drinks from 10,000 local

1:52:411:52:44

restaurants and get it delivered

to their door by bike,

1:52:441:52:46

all via an app on their phone

which also allows them to track

1:52:461:52:50

where the delivery is.

1:52:501:52:51

It's revolutionised

the concept of a takeaway,

1:52:511:52:53

but it's also hit the headlines,

for not giving their 15,000 riders

1:52:531:52:57

basic rights like minimum wage

or holiday and sick pay

1:52:571:53:02

because of the way they're employed.

1:53:021:53:14

How does it work with the drivers,

how are they employed and how are

1:53:141:53:18

they paid?

I can, I should say a bit

about the company, we are a food

1:53:181:53:23

company that allows customers to

order from 10,000 restaurants

1:53:231:53:27

nationwide and a key part of that

ordering process is through the act,

1:53:271:53:31

when they click on the menu item

they want and they ask for that to

1:53:311:53:35

be delivered and then we have a

network of 15,000 riders that will,

1:53:351:53:38

through their own phones, pick up

the food and take it to the

1:53:381:53:43

customer. It's important to us that

those riders are treated fairly and

1:53:431:53:47

they enjoy working on the Deliveroo

platform and they can make good

1:53:471:53:51

money doing so. And they are paid by

us around once every two weeks and

1:53:511:53:56

our average earnings across the

country are £9 50 and those

1:53:561:54:00

individuals can work through the

platform when and where they wish.

1:54:001:54:03

That's the key to the flexibility

that affords them the type of work

1:54:031:54:07

they want to do and allows us to be

able to recruit the vast volumes of

1:54:071:54:12

riders we have around the country.

All of these guys will work with

1:54:121:54:18

Deliveroo alongside other work. They

may be self-employed, running their

1:54:181:54:21

own businesses, they might be

students who are studying and

1:54:211:54:25

outside of that the flexibility

afforded by us that allows them to

1:54:251:54:29

work when and where they wish gives

them the right type of work to

1:54:291:54:33

supplement the rest of their life.

You say on average the drivers get

1:54:331:54:40

£9.5, but that's on average, so

there could be instances where a

1:54:401:54:44

driver gets one job and our then

they could earn less than the

1:54:441:54:48

minimum wage?

As a company it is

important we are transparent with

1:54:481:54:52

riders about what they are likely to

earn at given periods. As a company

1:54:521:54:57

that relies on a lot of lunch

business and dinner business on the

1:54:571:55:00

it's fair to say that as a rider

you're likely to make significant

1:55:001:55:04

amounts of money during those times.

But there are times when you could

1:55:041:55:09

work less than the minimum wage?

We

work closely to make sure they earn

1:55:091:55:14

good money at any time but the

flexibility afforded to them means

1:55:141:55:20

they can earn different amounts.

Unlike in the restaurant industry,

1:55:201:55:24

when you get a shift and you have to

commit to a specific time when you

1:55:241:55:28

come in and work those hours, our

riders can choose to work when they

1:55:281:55:33

wish, wherever they wish, and

simultaneously work with other

1:55:331:55:37

platforms, so they don't just

necessarily work with Deliveroo,

1:55:371:55:40

they can choose to accept jobs

through other platforms.

There will

1:55:401:55:45

still be some of your drivers who

are earning less than the minimum

1:55:451:55:48

wage?

Average earnings as I said...

Some will be earning less than the

1:55:481:55:53

minimum wage? Can you cancer that?

It's important to stress we give

1:55:531:55:58

them a lot of understanding of when

they should be working to make the

1:55:581:56:03

maximum possible amount of money --

answer. Should a rider logged in at

1:56:031:56:08

4pm in a period where its

particularly slow... -- log. If we

1:56:081:56:14

tell them then they're not going to

make as much during those periods

1:56:141:56:19

and they still choose to work, we

can't specifically dictate what they

1:56:191:56:23

will make.

Do you say from the

outset you could be learning less

1:56:231:56:26

than the minimum wage?

We

communicate its a soft period and

1:56:261:56:30

their likely to make less money than

they would at peak.

That doesn't

1:56:301:56:35

sound as transparent as saying they

could be earning less than the

1:56:351:56:39

minimum wage. You want to bring out

into runs for them?

We have done

1:56:391:56:43

that today. It's the first ever

insurance for food delivery riders

1:56:431:56:47

that offers them protection against

illness and any injury -- bring out

1:56:471:56:53

insurance for them. If they are

injured and unable to work they will

1:56:531:56:56

be covered for the lost earnings.

This is an insurance policy that at

1:56:561:57:04

£1.85 per week is substantially

cheaper than not only anything

1:57:041:57:07

within the food delivery area but

the food economy at large. It's a

1:57:071:57:13

policy where we have got a prize

working with parties as a result of

1:57:131:57:18

the vast number of riders we have

but also because we are subsidising

1:57:181:57:22

that policy, we are offering 40% so

riders get it as cheap as they

1:57:221:57:28

possibly can.

It sounds like you are

basically charging the drivers to

1:57:281:57:31

cover themselves when they are sick,

which a lot of the drivers are

1:57:311:57:37

asking for, that's what people want

in the gig economy, the rights they

1:57:371:57:41

would get if they are staff in a

company.

We've been clear as a

1:57:411:57:45

company that we would support paying

for all of these benefits, things

1:57:451:57:50

like sick pay or holiday in five

comments, but in order to do so we

1:57:501:57:55

would require a change in the law so

the government have been reviewing

1:57:551:57:59

this and we've been asked to input

into that review...

You want the

1:57:591:58:04

change in the law?

We certainly do,

yes. We would love to end what we

1:58:041:58:09

see as a trade-off between the

flexibility that one gets in being

1:58:091:58:13

self-employed. The reason these

individuals are self-employed is

1:58:131:58:16

because they want to work when they

like in the way they like alongside

1:58:161:58:20

other things. We want to end that

trade-off between that flexibility

1:58:201:58:23

and the security one might get as an

employee. Securities like benefits.

1:58:231:58:29

However, we don't want to wait on

the government to do that, we want

1:58:291:58:33

to try to work as far as we can to

ensure we can offer those securities

1:58:331:58:38

through other means and this

insurance is very much the start of

1:58:381:58:42

that.

Why are you charging for it?

The riders would have to pay

1:58:421:58:47

something to maintain that

self-employed status. If we offered

1:58:471:58:50

all of that for free then the

existing law and the courts would

1:58:501:58:56

likely ask them to be reclassified

as employees and in so doing they

1:58:561:59:00

would lose that flexibility which we

know is really important to them.

1:59:001:59:04

Dan, thanks for coming in to explain

all of that. Appreciate that.

1:59:041:59:09

That made me all a bit hungry!

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Hello, this is Breakfast

with Dan Walker and Louise Minchin.

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An alleged plot to kill

the Prime Minister is prevented

2:02:462:02:48

by security services.

2:02:482:02:49

It's claimed the plan was to blow up

the gates of Downing Street

2:02:492:02:52

and to attack Theresa May

with a knife.

2:02:522:02:54

Two men are due in court in the next

few hours on terrorism charges.

2:02:542:03:01

Good morning.

It's Wednesday, 6th December.

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Also this morning:

2:03:132:03:17

President Trump breaks with decades

of American policy on Israel.

2:03:172:03:19

The White House says

he will formally recognise

2:03:192:03:24

Jerusalem as its capital

and will move the US embassy

2:03:242:03:26

there from Tel Aviv.

2:03:262:03:30

Wildfires tear through southern

California as thousands of people

2:03:302:03:32

are forced to flee from their homes.

2:03:322:03:35

Christine Keeler, the former model

at the centre of the Profumo

2:03:352:03:39

scandal, has died at the age of 75.

2:03:392:03:41

We'll look back at her life.

2:03:412:03:46

Over a third of us are putting

Christmas on credit this year

2:03:462:03:49

and more than two million people

are nearly always

2:03:492:03:51

in their overdraft.

2:03:512:03:52

I'm looking at festive finances

and not blowing your budget.

2:03:522:03:54

Good morning.

2:03:542:03:57

England's cricketers

are licking their wounds

2:03:572:03:59

after being taken apart by Australia

very swiftly on the final day of

2:03:592:04:02

the second Ashes test in Adelaide.

2:04:022:04:04

And Carol has the weather

for us this morning

2:04:062:04:08

and she's feeling festive.

2:04:082:04:15

Good morning from Winter Wonderland

in London. I'm inside the magical

2:04:152:04:20

ice kingdom. I'm surrounded by

beautiful ice sculptures. It is

2:04:202:04:25

milder outside and generally the

forecast for today is a mild one. A

2:04:252:04:30

cloudy one with windy conditions and

wet conditions also across the

2:04:302:04:33

north-west of Scotland, but I'll

have more details in 15 minutes.

2:04:332:04:38

Good morning.

First, our main story.

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An alleged terror attack aimed

at killing the Prime

2:04:462:04:48

Minister and bombing

Downing Street has been foiled

2:04:482:04:50

by security services.

2:04:502:04:51

Two men are due to appear

at Westminster Magistrates' Court

2:04:512:04:54

later over alleged terror offences,

one of them in connection

2:04:542:04:56

to the planned attack

against Theresa May.

2:04:562:04:58

Andy Moore has this report.

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Number Ten Downing Street,

the target of an alleged Islamist

2:04:592:05:02

plot to kill the Prime Minister.

2:05:022:05:07

It's understood the allegations

involved a plan to bomb the security

2:05:072:05:09

gates at the entrance

to Downing Street and then

2:05:092:05:11

in the ensuing chaos,

launch a knife attack

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against Theresa May.

2:05:132:05:17

Two men are due to appear before

Westminster Magistrates' today

2:05:172:05:19

charged with terrorism offences.

2:05:192:05:24

Andrew Parker, the head of MI5,

briefed the Prime Minister

2:05:242:05:27

and the Cabinet yesterday about nine

alleged terror plots that have been

2:05:272:05:30

foiled since March this year.

2:05:302:05:34

In the House of Commons,

the Home Secretary said police

2:05:342:05:36

would have the money they needed.

2:05:362:05:38

We will shortly be

announcing the budgets

2:05:382:05:42

for policing for 2017-2018.

2:05:422:05:44

I am clear that we must ensure

counterterrorism policing has

2:05:442:05:47

the resources needed to deal

with the threats that we face.

2:05:472:05:54

Yesterday, a report into the four

terror attacks in the UK this year

2:05:542:05:58

said some of those who carried them

out were known to

2:05:582:06:00

the security services.

2:06:002:06:03

It suggested it was conceivable

the Manchester Arena attack

2:06:032:06:05

which killed 22 people

could have been stopped.

2:06:052:06:10

15-year-old Olivia Campbell Hardy

was among those victims.

2:06:102:06:15

Her grandfather said he was not

blaming the security services.

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They're gonna do the best they can

with the information they have

2:06:182:06:22

got and they gather,

assess themselves,

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assess the situation,

make decisions, and act on it.

2:06:242:06:28

I will not fault anybody

for doing their job.

2:06:282:06:31

The security services say the level

of threat remains unprecedented,

2:06:312:06:34

with over 500 active

counter terror investigations.

2:06:342:06:44

The White House says President Trump

is to break with decades of American

2:06:442:06:47

policy on Israel and is to recognise

Jerusalem as the capital

2:06:472:06:50

of Israel He's also due to begin

the process of moving the US embassy

2:06:502:06:54

to Jerusalem from Tel Aviv,

a process which may

2:06:542:06:56

take several years.

2:06:562:06:58

But Arab leaders have warned

against moving the embassy,

2:06:582:07:00

saying it would be "a flagrant

provocation to Muslims".

2:07:002:07:06

There's increasing pressure

on the government to get Brexit

2:07:062:07:09

negotiations back on track

after an intervention by Northern

2:07:092:07:11

Ireland's Democratic Unionist Party

stalled talks in Brussels.

2:07:112:07:18

The Irish border may be the key

sticking point but divisions

2:07:182:07:21

in the Conservative Party

are further complicating matters

2:07:212:07:23

for the Prime Minister.

2:07:232:07:24

Our political correspondent

Leila Nathoo is in

2:07:242:07:25

Westminster this morning.

2:07:252:07:29

We have been following this all

week. When is there likely to be a

2:07:292:07:33

breakthrough?

Well, there is no

signs as yet that anything has

2:07:332:07:37

changed since the DUP intervened on

Monday to stop that deal going

2:07:372:07:42

through at the 11th hour that would

have paved the way for trade talks

2:07:422:07:47

to begin next week. Now, Theresa May

had to come back from Brussels

2:07:472:07:53

empty-handed after the DUP objected

to her offering that Northern

2:07:532:07:57

Ireland would be closely alined in

regulation terms with the EU after

2:07:572:08:00

Brexit. The DUP objecting to

Northern Ireland being treated any

2:08:002:08:03

differently to any other part of the

UK. But that proposal from Theresa

2:08:032:08:08

May has also caused anger among

Brexiteers in the Cabinet who fear

2:08:082:08:15

she is rowing back on the position

to deviate from EU standards after

2:08:152:08:20

Brexit, they are trying to keep her

in check. Theresa May fighting

2:08:202:08:26

battles on all sides. She has to get

the DUP back on side so she can

2:08:262:08:33

start the trade talks next week. She

hasn't spoken to Arlene Foster, the

2:08:332:08:37

DUP leader, so there is no sign yet

that she will be able to go back to

2:08:372:08:41

Brussels any time soon. So I think

the next couple of days will be

2:08:412:08:44

crucial to see if she can try and

find some agreement.

2:08:442:08:47

Thank you very much.

2:08:472:08:52

Tens of thousands of people have

been forced to flee from the path

2:08:522:08:55

of wildfires in southern California.

2:08:552:08:56

Hundreds of buildings have been

destroyed by the blazes and several

2:08:562:08:59

thousand homes are under mandatory

evacuation in the cities

2:08:592:09:01

of Ventura and Santa Paula,

north of Los Angeles.

2:09:012:09:03

California has been hit hard

by wildfires in recent months.

2:09:032:09:06

At least 40 people were killed

when fires ripped through parts

2:09:062:09:08

of northern California's wine

region in October.

2:09:082:09:14

Russia has been banned

from competing at next year's

2:09:142:09:17

Winter Olympics in South Korea

following an investigation

2:09:172:09:19

into state-sponsored doping

at the 2014 Games in Sochi.

2:09:192:09:24

The International Olympic Committee

said Russian athletes who can prove

2:09:242:09:26

they are clean will be allowed

to compete, but under

2:09:262:09:29

a neutral flag.

2:09:292:09:32

Alex Capstick is in Lausanne

where the decision was

2:09:322:09:34

announced yesterday.

2:09:342:09:42

What more can you tell us?

Well, IOC

members are back here at Olympic HQ

2:09:422:09:50

for more meetings today, but they

will begin by digesting events of

2:09:502:09:54

yesterday when they were given no

choice but to ban Russia from the

2:09:542:09:59

Olympics. They were presented from

evidence from Samuel Smith, a former

2:09:592:10:05

president, who was looking at the

issue where the conspiracy in Sochi

2:10:052:10:10

helped protect Russian drug cheats

and the wider programme going on in

2:10:102:10:15

for many years. He stated it was.

The country had manipulated the

2:10:152:10:19

anti-doping rules and that's why the

Russian Olympic Committee was

2:10:192:10:25

banned, but key officials and

including the Deputy Prime Minister

2:10:252:10:28

who used to run the Sports

Ministery. Neutral athletes will be

2:10:282:10:32

allowed to complete under the

neutral flag. In a conversion from

2:10:322:10:37

the IOC, they were be known as

independent athletes from Russia.

2:10:372:10:43

There is a possible boycott from

Vladimir Putin looming over this

2:10:432:10:48

whole thing.

Thank you very much.

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She was the model who at the age

of just 19, was at the centre

2:10:512:10:55

of a scandal which rocked 1960s

British politics.

2:10:552:10:57

Yesterday it was announced

Christine Keeler has died aged 75.

2:10:572:11:00

The revelation of her affair

with the Cabinet minister

2:11:002:11:02

John Profumo and a Russian diplomat

led to the Conservative

2:11:022:11:05

government downfall.

2:11:052:11:06

Nick Higham has taken

a look at her life.

2:11:062:11:14

It was the biggest scandal

of the 1960s, and Christine Keeler

2:11:142:11:17

was the woman at its centre.

2:11:172:11:25

Model, party girl,

and mistress of powerful men.

2:11:252:11:27

John Profumo was

the Minister for War.

2:11:272:11:29

He and Christine had a brief affair.

2:11:292:11:31

When challenged, he lied about it

to the House of Commons

2:11:312:11:33

and was forced to resign.

2:11:332:11:34

It didn't help that

Yevgeny Ivanov, a KGB spy,

2:11:342:11:37

had also been seeing Keeler.

2:11:372:11:39

The old establishment never

recovered from the shock.

2:11:392:11:42

The Profumo Affair spelt the end

of Prime Minister Harold Macmillan's

2:11:422:11:47

government, but also the end

of an era of deference and respect,

2:11:472:11:50

in which sleaze had been discretely

swept under the carpet.

2:11:502:12:00

I wish I had been older so I would

have been able to have answered or

2:12:022:12:07

spoke up for myself.

She left school at 15. Her childhood

2:12:072:12:13

home was a pair of converted railway

carriages and she had a child at 17

2:12:132:12:18

and lived with a notorious slum

landlord. Later a West Indian

2:12:182:12:24

boyfriend was charged with

assaulting her and Christine lied in

2:12:242:12:26

court. She was jailed for perjury.

She lives here. She owns the shop

2:12:262:12:35

around the corner.

She went on to write three books.

2:12:352:12:39

She was often broke. A victim, many

thought, of establishment hypocrisy

2:12:392:12:44

and two marriages ended in divorce.

Tonight her son said she earnt her

2:12:442:12:49

place in British history, but at

huge personal cost.

2:12:492:12:55

That was Christine Keeler.

2:12:552:13:01

We are going to talk about her now

with Joe Boyd. You met her a number

2:13:012:13:09

of times. Tell us what she was like?

Well, she was, it was a great

2:13:092:13:13

contrast. She and Mandy, we

interviewed them not together, but

2:13:132:13:20

over the same period of time. Mandy

was very witty and calm. Christine

2:13:202:13:27

was clearly very damaged, you know,

she had a very difficult childhood.

2:13:272:13:32

She had been abused. I think she as

she said in that little clip that

2:13:322:13:38

you aired, she wished she had been

able to handle the situation better.

2:13:382:13:45

She seemed, I don't know, a victim,

I suppose. And I think she was, you

2:13:452:13:49

know, she was a beautiful woman who,

you know, entered the world of

2:13:492:13:56

Stephen Ward at 17, you know, and

started being introduced to older

2:13:562:14:03

men and it's, you know, we see it

today, you know, how politicians are

2:14:032:14:07

getting caught by their interest in

beautiful young girls and it

2:14:072:14:12

certainly happened then.

Mandy cas

her friend and Stephen Ward was an

2:14:122:14:18

osteo path who introduced her to

lots of different people and she had

2:14:182:14:22

had already by that stage a

difficult time, hadn't she?

Yes, I

2:14:222:14:29

think when her father, you know,

wandered off when she was very young

2:14:292:14:34

and her mother's boyfriend abused

her and she was raped and, you know,

2:14:342:14:40

I mean, it's, I mean, I don't know,

I'm not a psychologist, but people

2:14:402:14:45

say, it freezes you in a kind of

state of childishness which when

2:14:452:14:49

you're beautiful and you have a

fantastic figure and beautiful face

2:14:492:14:53

and you act a bit childish, it's

very, very appealing to men. Look,

2:14:532:15:00

at Marilyn Monroe, you know.

You

really changed the sort of view

2:15:002:15:05

about her in so many ways, didn't

you, with what you did with her book

2:15:052:15:09

and then the film?

Well, we based

the film on many sources. I mean,

2:15:092:15:14

you know, one of the key sources in

making the film was the Denham

2:15:142:15:20

report. We couldn't really be sued

when we based the script on a

2:15:202:15:24

government White Paper. I think

there is some fantastic newsreel

2:15:242:15:30

footage from 1963 and the trial of

Stephen Ward when Christine arrives

2:15:302:15:35

at the Old Bailey, she has to hold

her coat up over her face and she

2:15:352:15:40

gets thrown, you know, rotten fruit

thrown at her and people shouting at

2:15:402:15:46

her. I think she was treated

unfairly at the time. People felt

2:15:462:15:52

tremendous sympathy from John

Profumo who had pursued her even

2:15:522:15:56

though he knew she was a friend of

the Russian spy and I think over the

2:15:562:16:01

years that view continued and after

the portrayal of her and we tried to

2:16:012:16:09

keep the script as accurate and

historical fact, people came away

2:16:092:16:14

feeling that she and Stephen Ward

were kind of victims of

2:16:142:16:20

establishment hypocrisy.

2:16:202:16:24

were kind of victims of

establishment hypocrisy.

What

2:16:242:16:25

happened, the whole scandal brought

down the Macmillan government, she

2:16:252:16:29

was aware of how significant what

happened was, historically.

2:16:292:16:35

Yes, they were dear friends, she and

Stephen, they lived in his flat at

2:16:382:16:42

the period, he was in a fishy in

either of political intrigue, he

2:16:422:16:46

loved the idea, he would say, the

Minister for war going out of the

2:16:462:16:54

front door, and the naval attach

Schaefer Russia is coming in the

2:16:542:16:57

back door! -- aficionado. He

relished this, he exaggerated it,

2:16:572:17:01

because her affair with Ivanov was

only one night, maybe two, not much

2:17:012:17:09

to it. Even imagined himself getting

involved and solving the Cuban

2:17:092:17:17

missile crisis. There was a lot of

chat about the historical

2:17:172:17:22

significance of what was going on.

Was their contact with her Ilai

2:17:222:17:26

Tinai?

Since the film came out, she

moved to South London, and I think

2:17:262:17:37

we had a little bit of contact.

--

contact with her in later life.

2:17:372:17:45

There was an exhibition of her, the

famous photographs, and a bunch of

2:17:452:17:50

photographs at her gallery in Cork

street, and I saw her then, I know

2:17:502:17:54

that she went to Moscow, she met

Ivanov after glasnost, and he

2:17:542:17:59

apologised for his role.

Thank you

so much for speaking with us about

2:17:592:18:06

her. Joe Boyd, producer of the film

Scandal, talking about Christine

2:18:062:18:11

Keeler. Fascinating insight.

2:18:112:18:20

Very important question, do you

think that Carol has gone put up or

2:18:202:18:23

had down for this weather report.

Third up!

No, it is down!

-- hood

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up.

We are in the magical ice

kingdom in winter wonderland, it is

2:18:332:18:39

20 degrees warmer outside, plus ten

outside, look at it, it is stunning,

2:18:392:18:45

deep sea adventure theme. 500 tonnes

of ice and snow, to make these

2:18:452:18:51

magnificent sculptures. We start

making them in April, we have fish,

2:18:512:18:57

you can see scales and tentacles on

the octopus and over here we have

2:18:572:19:01

got sharks and dolphins and deep sea

divers and it is amazing. If you are

2:19:012:19:09

coming in to see this, make sure you

wrap up warmly. Outside, it is mild,

2:19:092:19:15

a mild day, generally. From

tomorrow, the temperature is going

2:19:152:19:21

down. A lot of cloud around today,

and some of us have rain, all of us

2:19:212:19:26

will have winter conditions. Rain

coming in across the North West in

2:19:262:19:32

Scotland, rest of Scotland mostly

dry but fairly cloudy, strong winds,

2:19:322:19:37

in northern England, cloudy with

some showers in the north-west,

2:19:372:19:42

brighter skies developing, as we

come south, again, a lot of cloud

2:19:422:19:50

through the day. One or two breaks

but equally, especially with height,

2:19:502:19:55

we will see showers coming through.

For Wales, dry start to the day,

2:19:552:20:00

some brightness, one or two showers,

with heights, around Snowdonia. And

2:20:002:20:06

as we head into Northern Ireland,

wet and windy start. Through the

2:20:062:20:12

course of the day, the wind will be

a feature, notable feature wherever

2:20:122:20:16

you are. The rain across Scotland

and Northern Ireland will venture

2:20:162:20:20

Southeast, through the day. The head

of it, cloudy conditions, one or two

2:20:202:20:24

bright spots, temperatures

across-the-board ten to 12. Around

2:20:242:20:29

the Murray first, we could see 13,

possibly 14. As we head overnight,

2:20:292:20:36

the wind continued to strengthening,

the wind and the rain continues to

2:20:362:20:39

push down towards the south-east. By

the end of the night, Dales in the

2:20:392:20:44

West and also Storm Caroline

affecting the far north-west of

2:20:442:20:47

Scotland with storm force winds as

well as that we will have snow

2:20:472:20:52

showers, even at lower levels. It's

going to be a cold night in the

2:20:522:20:57

North, comparatively mild in the

South. Through the also tomorrow,

2:20:572:21:02

Storm Caroline will move from the

West to the east across Scotland,

2:21:022:21:05

strongest wind in the North. Around

the central lowlands for the rush

2:21:052:21:12

hour, very windy, looking at Inland

Dales. There will be blizzards. --

2:21:122:21:19

Inland gales. Some big waves

tomorrow, along the east Coast.

2:21:192:21:27

Further snow showers tomorrow, and

also, across North Wales, through

2:21:272:21:35

the day, some of those will be blown

well inland, so not all of us will

2:21:352:21:40

see them. In between, sunshine as

well, feeling even colder on Friday

2:21:402:21:45

then it will tomorrow. Weekend, not

down to the snow showers yet. -- not

2:21:452:21:51

done with the snow showers yet. On

Sunday, this is what I want to flag

2:21:512:21:56

up, the potential for a weather

front coming in from the west,

2:21:562:22:00

introducing rain, sleet and snow,

but some significant snow,

2:22:002:22:03

particularly in the higher routes,

from the Midlands northwards. That

2:22:032:22:08

could change, the timing and the

positioning, if you are on the move,

2:22:082:22:12

please do keep watching the weather

forecast.

I'm going outside to warm

2:22:122:22:16

up. We have seen you run of, are you

actually running outside at the end

2:22:162:22:25

of each one.

Yes, I am! I am!

I'm

running! It is like Anneka Rice or

2:22:252:22:38

The Crystal Maze... LAUGHTER

2:22:382:22:46

Right, no, left... Stay with her...

She is outside! She has made it!

2:22:532:23:00

LAUGHTER

There she is...

2:23:002:23:07

Excellent, I love that... That is my

favourite bit of the day.

She has

2:23:082:23:15

really proven that she can run.

You

are here to talk about Christmas,

2:23:152:23:21

there is a warning... Lots of people

facing high levels of debt, putting

2:23:212:23:25

Christmas on their credit cards,

particularly this year.

Christmas

2:23:252:23:30

can be really expensive, especially

if you have children and lots of

2:23:302:23:33

things to pay for, food, presents,

people can feel pressured. Charities

2:23:332:23:37

have done research on this. More of

us are worrying about money this

2:23:372:23:43

Christmas than we have done

previously. They are saying one in

2:23:432:23:47

seven of us have nights where they

are constantly thinking about the

2:23:472:23:50

money they have to spend. More than

one third of us put Christmas on

2:23:502:23:57

credit. Borrowing money to pay for

Christmas, what a worrying

2:23:572:24:01

statistic. Also, you have a charity,

step change, they have been looking

2:24:012:24:09

into finances and how people deal

with debt, they have found that 2

2:24:092:24:13

million people last year were

permanently in their overdraft, that

2:24:132:24:17

can be a vicious circle, facing

charges in your overdraft. Difficult

2:24:172:24:22

to get out of them. I spoke with

Laura readers get early on from Step

2:24:222:24:28

change and she has spoken about what

she wants the banks to do.

People

2:24:282:24:31

are hit very regularly by overdraft

charges.

-- Step Change.

When they

2:24:312:24:38

are hit by this regularly, it pushes

them further into debt. We want to

2:24:382:24:46

scrap them, we want to make sure

they are more transparent and clear.

2:24:462:24:50

That would make a big difference to

people, banks are there to make

2:24:502:24:54

money as well... So there is that

whole debate. We have had a lot of

2:24:542:25:00

messages about this.

People

concerned about overdraft, you want

2:25:002:25:09

to have family around but some

members of the family have more

2:25:092:25:12

money than others. If I don't have

it I don't spend it, says Steve.

2:25:122:25:18

Another year with a debt free

Christmas, save and plan and do not

2:25:182:25:21

overspend, says dojo. Others say

they have a certain account with a

2:25:212:25:26

bank and they have charged a flat

overdraft fee, now there is a daily

2:25:262:25:31

charge.

It triple people. An extra

£50 a month in bills can push people

2:25:312:25:41

to their limits, really, in terms of

the money they have. Some research

2:25:412:25:45

has been done on that, suggesting, a

lot of people would struggle if

2:25:452:25:50

their bills went up by 50 quid a

month.

You can help yourself by

2:25:502:25:54

talking to your bank.

Yes, and

talking to charities like Step

2:25:542:25:57

Change, citizens advice, they are

all designed to give you advice on

2:25:572:26:04

how to consolidate debts and things

like that.

Are you going to run off

2:26:042:26:07

in a minute?

Perhaps I should!

A

couple more, windy Christmas become

2:26:072:26:12

such an expensive celebration.

Should be about families coming

2:26:122:26:17

together, you do not have to spend

spend spend, should not be a

2:26:172:26:21

commercial business. And another

message, Kate, I know overdraft are

2:26:212:26:25

not a good thing but I would happily

go into one to get a pair of Steph's

2:26:252:26:36

shoes!

And we've been talking about

how some of the best Christmas

2:26:362:26:40

presents are those which do not

involve a lot of money but take a

2:26:402:26:43

lot of thought.

One of my great

friends from school made a photo

2:26:432:26:48

album. That was a lovely idea, one

of the best I had ever had. Thank

2:26:482:26:53

you, Rich.

Are you running off?

Careful in those shoes!

And she is

2:26:532:27:02

gone... Still running. Time to get

the news, the travel wherever you

2:27:022:27:06

are watching us.

2:27:062:30:30

Hello, this is Breakfast,

with Dan Walker and Louise Minchin.

2:30:362:30:43

Let's bring you up to date with the

main stories around this morning,

2:30:432:30:46

and we will have an update on the

Ashes in a moment.

2:30:462:30:50

An alleged terror attack aimed

at killing the Prime Minister

2:30:502:30:53

and bombing Downing Street has been

foiled by security services.

2:30:532:30:55

Two men are due to appear

at Westminster Magistrates' Court

2:30:552:30:57

later accused of terror offences,

one of them in connection

2:30:572:31:00

to the plot against Theresa May.

2:31:002:31:04

The head of MI5 briefed

the Government yesterday about nine

2:31:042:31:06

alleged terror plots that have been

prevented since March this year.

2:31:062:31:10

Earlier, security expert

Will Geddes told us how these

2:31:102:31:12

numbers illustrate the pressure

security services and

2:31:122:31:14

the police are under.

2:31:142:31:21

The White House says President Trump

is to recognise Jerusalem

2:31:212:31:23

as the capital of Israel

and will direct the State Department

2:31:232:31:26

to begin the process of moving

the US embassy there from Tel Aviv.

2:31:262:31:29

But Arab leaders have warned it

could provoke violence in the Muslim

2:31:292:31:32

world and the Foreign Secretary,

Boris Johnson, said the UK viewed

2:31:322:31:35

the reports with concern.

2:31:352:31:40

Our Middle East correspondent

Yolande Knell joins us live

2:31:402:31:42

from our Jerusalem bureau now.

2:31:422:31:48

Explained if you would the

significance of all of this.

Well,

2:31:482:31:53

this is a big break on decades of

international consensus and US

2:31:532:31:59

foreign policy which has basically

said that the final status of

2:31:592:32:03

Jerusalem should be decided in a

negotiated peace deal between Israel

2:32:032:32:07

and the Palestinians. And that is

because although Israel sees all of

2:32:072:32:10

Jerusalem as its eternal, undivided

capital, the seat of its government

2:32:102:32:16

with 3000 years of Jewish history,

the Palestinians want East

2:32:162:32:20

Jerusalem, where many Palestinians

live, as the capital of their future

2:32:202:32:24

state. East Jerusalem was captured

by Israel just 50 years ago in the

2:32:242:32:29

war from Jordan, and then Israel

annexed it in a booth that has not

2:32:292:32:34

been recognised internationally. And

so that is why, at the moment, all

2:32:342:32:38

foreign countries keep their

embassies in Tel Aviv. Israeli

2:32:382:32:45

leaders will see this as the US,

their close ally, correcting what

2:32:452:32:48

they see as an historic injustice,

but the Palace star -- the

2:32:482:32:55

Palestinians and others have been

warning this could have dangerous

2:32:552:32:59

consequences, they say it could

inflame religious tensions because

2:32:592:33:01

it involves the old city, where you

have religious sites holy for

2:33:012:33:07

Muslims, dues and Christians, and

also because this could undermining

2:33:072:33:10

any hopes that Mr Trump has the

ultimate deal of securing peace

2:33:102:33:18

between Israel and the Palestinians.

2:33:182:33:20

Banks should end all

unauthorised overdraft charges

2:33:202:33:22

because they are trapping

people in persistent debt,

2:33:222:33:24

the financial charity

StepChange has said.

2:33:242:33:27

It says two million people in the UK

used their overdraft facility

2:33:272:33:30

every month last year.

2:33:302:33:31

The organisation wants banks

and regulators to do more

2:33:312:33:34

to identify people caught up

in a "vicious cycle of borrowing".

2:33:342:33:38

Tens of thousands of people have

been forced to flee from the path

2:33:382:33:41

of wildfires in southern California.

2:33:412:33:44

Hundreds of buildings have been

destroyed by the blazes and several

2:33:442:33:47

thousand homes are under mandatory

evacuation in the cities

2:33:472:33:50

of Ventura and Santa Paula,

north of Los Angeles.

2:33:502:33:56

California has been hit hard

by wildfires in recent months.

2:33:562:33:59

At least 40 people were killed

when fires ripped through parts

2:33:592:34:02

of northern California's

wine region in October.

2:34:022:34:09

Christine Keeler, the model

at the centre of the Profumo

2:34:092:34:11

affair of the 1960s,

has died at the age of 75.

2:34:112:34:14

She became famous after it emerged

she'd had an affair

2:34:142:34:17

with both the Conservative minister

John Profumo

2:34:172:34:18

and with a Russian diplomat

at the height of the Cold War.

2:34:182:34:21

The scandal was considered

by many to be the downfall

2:34:212:34:24

of the Macmillan government.

2:34:242:34:33

And coming up here

on Breakfast this morning.

2:34:392:34:42

Do schools do enough to support

young people who are also caring

2:34:422:34:44

for a sick or disabled relative?

2:34:442:34:46

We're talking to a young

carer and her mum about

2:34:462:34:48

the difficulties they face.

2:34:482:34:49

Florence and the Machine

and George Ezra are just

2:34:492:34:51

two of the artists who were helped

onto a world stage thanks to

2:34:512:34:55

the BBC Music Introducing platform.

2:34:552:34:59

And this morning we have Radio 2 DJ

Jo Whiley with us to reveal

2:34:592:35:03

who is 2017's Artist of the Year.

2:35:032:35:06

And the Turner Prize

was announced last night.

2:35:062:35:09

Lubaina Himid has become both

the oldest winner and the first

2:35:092:35:12

black woman to take the prize.

2:35:122:35:13

We're talking to her later

about making history.

2:35:132:35:24

Sonali is here, no congratulations

for the England side in the cricket.

2:35:272:35:33

Only Australia, I have seen

something on Twitter, forget Brexit,

2:35:332:35:38

let's Ozit. I do not think it is

that there, all England have to do

2:35:382:35:42

is win at the wacko, which I have

not done since the 1970s. -- the

2:35:422:35:48

Waca.

2:35:482:35:50

So England are now two

down in the Ashes.

2:35:502:35:52

It took about an hour and 45 minutes

for England's six remaining batsmen

2:35:522:35:55

to go down in Adelaide.

2:35:552:35:56

Chris Woakes was out

from the second ball of the day.

2:35:562:35:59

Captain Joe Root quickly

followed without adding

2:35:592:36:01

to his overnight score.

2:36:012:36:02

And the wickets just kept tumbling.

2:36:022:36:04

Jonny Bairstow was the last man

to go, England all out for 233.

2:36:042:36:08

The Australians win

the Second Test by 120 runs.

2:36:082:36:18

The way that we went about the

second innings shows we are

2:36:192:36:24

massively still in this series, it

is as simple as that. We have shown

2:36:242:36:27

throughout the two games that we can

outperform Australia, but just not

2:36:272:36:32

for five days, and that is going to

be our challenge, really. If we get

2:36:322:36:37

that right and we can perform to our

ability for longer periods of time,

2:36:372:36:41

then we will win games, simple as

that.

This morning, coming to the

2:36:412:36:46

game, I thought, if we get one or

two wickets before the new ball,

2:36:462:36:50

only 18 wickets away at the start of

the play, and hundreds 80 runs was a

2:36:502:36:55

lot of runs, so very pleasing that

Josh was able to do what he did this

2:36:552:36:59

morning. I thought is length was

exceptional, and to get the wicket

2:36:592:37:04

of Root really put us in a good

position, and I could breathe a

2:37:042:37:08

little bit more easily then.

2:37:082:37:12

In non-Ashes news, Chelsea

slipped up to finish second

2:37:122:37:14

in their Champions League group.

2:37:142:37:16

They now risk being drawn

against one of the favourites

2:37:162:37:18

in the knockout stage.

2:37:182:37:19

They were behind against

Spanish side Atletico Madrid,

2:37:192:37:21

but equalised thanks to an own goal

in the second half.

2:37:212:37:24

They could now face Barcelona or

Paris Saint-Germain in the last 16.

2:37:242:37:28

Manchester United finish

top of their group

2:37:282:37:30

and make the knockout stage for

the first time in three years.

2:37:302:37:33

Marcus Rashford was on target

in a 2-1 win over CSKA Moscow.

2:37:332:37:39

Celtic have qualified

for the Europa League,

2:37:392:37:41

despite losing 1-0

to Belgian side Anderlecht.

2:37:412:37:47

The Scottish champions knew they had

to avoid defeat by three goals

2:37:472:37:50

or more to seal third place

in Group B.

2:37:502:37:57

The good news is that the directors

have seven days off now to regroup,

2:37:572:38:01

gather their heads and comeback.

--

the cricketers.

2:38:012:38:07

The maths are simple, it is possible

it might that is all we need for a

2:38:072:38:12

bit of hope!

2:38:122:38:14

The family of a seriously ill

woman who was kept alive

2:38:142:38:17

against her wishes have succeeded

in changing the way the hospital

2:38:172:38:19

trust responsible

stores records of living wills.

2:38:192:38:21

Brenda Grant was artificially fed

for nearly two years after

2:38:212:38:23

a severe stroke left her unable

to communicate, despite making

2:38:232:38:26

a written statement to say it

wasn't what she wanted.

2:38:262:38:34

We are going to talk about that

story, but we are going to wait

2:38:342:38:38

while we get our guests ready. We

will talk about that in a moment or

2:38:382:38:42

so. We are going to talk about the

flu season, because doctors are

2:38:422:38:47

urging vulnerable people do have

their vaccine, because this year it

2:38:472:38:50

could be more important than ever.

Australia has just been through a

2:38:502:38:55

particularly bad flu period, and

some scientists are warning it could

2:38:552:38:58

mean a tough season for us as well.

In a moment, we will talk about the

2:38:582:39:03

search for a new vaccine, but our

Sydney correspondent as more from

2:39:032:39:06

Australia.

2:39:062:39:12

Mark knows first-hand just how hard

the flu virus hit Australia this

2:39:122:39:16

year, as does his wife and their

four children. Every single one of

2:39:162:39:21

them became ill.

And then Zach and

then dad, and then mum and then me.

2:39:212:39:33

It really knocked us back, we were

in bed for two or three days, very

2:39:332:39:37

difficult if you have got kids, they

are at preschool and school.

This

2:39:372:39:42

family were not alone. 2017 saw a

50% rise in flu cases across

2:39:422:39:47

Australia. It wasn't a pandemic, but

there was an increase in deaths -

2:39:472:39:53

most amongst the elderly. The season

is now over, Australia is heading

2:39:532:39:57

towards and summer, and doctors are

left wondering why this year was so

2:39:572:40:00

bad and what, if anything, it means

for people living in the northern

2:40:002:40:04

hemisphere. This professor has been

tracking the clinical data for

2:40:042:40:09

Australia - one of the key concerns

here is that this you's vaccine

2:40:092:40:13

didn't work well.

The vaccine that

we had this season was poorly

2:40:132:40:18

affective invulnerable people, and

so with healthy people, it was

2:40:182:40:21

perhaps 40% effective, but in

elderly people, it worked quite

2:40:212:40:26

poorly.

As it arrives in the UK, the

virus won't necessarily have the

2:40:262:40:31

same impact - it is constantly

changing and mutating, but families

2:40:312:40:36

are being warned it could be at our

winter in the northern hemisphere.

2:40:362:40:39

John Maguire takes up the story.

Here in Oxford, researchers are

2:40:392:40:45

working on a new universal flu

vaccine, one that doesn't have to be

2:40:452:40:48

remade every winter. It is a game

changer, and they have just added

2:40:482:40:53

human trials. The study is now full

for this year. Scientists are

2:40:532:41:01

recruiting 2000 over 65-year-olds

and will monitor them for two years.

2:41:012:41:05

It is the first big trial of its

kind. All are having their flu jab

2:41:052:41:10

as normal, but some are receiving

the new vaccine.

We have to keep

2:41:102:41:15

changing what is in the vaccine,

because the virus keeps mutating

2:41:152:41:19

every year, and we have to keep

changing to keep up with it. But if

2:41:192:41:23

we can get an immune response to

work against the parts of the virus

2:41:232:41:27

that do not change, the vaccine can

be universal and work against all

2:41:272:41:31

influenza strains, and it may last

longer than one year.

Experts are

2:41:312:41:34

divided on whether or not a bad

winter flu season in Australia means

2:41:342:41:39

the same year, and vaccines normally

work around half the time. Doctors,

2:41:392:41:45

though, say at the moment it is the

best protection we have. It is a

2:41:452:41:49

question of protecting society,

and

although somebody may feel they are

2:41:492:41:54

physically strong enough to fight it

off, their neighbour or someone at

2:41:542:41:57

work may have a disability, lung

disease, and we want to protect them

2:41:572:42:02

as well.

And as the vaccination

continues at a pace, so far this

2:42:022:42:06

season of Luna bars have been low.

But as Australia experienced, flu

2:42:062:42:12

outbreaks can quickly become very

serious and very difficult to fight.

2:42:122:42:16

John Maguire, BBC News.

2:42:162:42:20

The family of a seriously ill

woman who was kept alive

2:42:202:42:23

against her wishes have succeeded

in changing the way the hospital

2:42:232:42:26

trust responsible

stores records of living wills.

2:42:262:42:29

Brenda Grant was artificially fed

for nearly two years after

2:42:292:42:32

a severe stroke left her unable

to communicate, despite making

2:42:322:42:36

a written statement to say it

wasn't what she wanted.

2:42:362:42:41

The trust misfiled the will and

her family were unaware it existed.

2:42:412:42:45

Michele Paduano has been

to meet her family.

2:42:452:42:53

Sitting at home watching the family

album is tinged with sadness for

2:42:532:42:57

Tracy Barker. She didn't know that

her mum, Brenda Granth, had made a

2:42:572:43:01

living will, and that is why she was

trying to pull out feeding tubes

2:43:012:43:05

following a catastrophic stroke.

Unable to talk, walk or swallow, she

2:43:052:43:10

was fed through her stunning and

kept alive for nearly two years.

2:43:102:43:16

Nobody wants them mum to die, but

she died the day she had the stroke,

2:43:162:43:21

because she was never capable of

doing what she did before. And I

2:43:212:43:26

know she would not have wanted to

live like she was.

For the lawyers

2:43:262:43:29

representing the family, the case

was a conundrum. Although Brenda had

2:43:292:43:34

been wronged, how much compensation

should there be for keeping someone

2:43:342:43:37

alive?

They force-fed her with a

feeding tube, operated on her to

2:43:372:43:41

provide nutrition to her intestines,

all of which was against her wishes.

2:43:412:43:46

The directive says that she feared

the degradation and embarrassment of

2:43:462:43:50

that scenario more than she feared

death itself.

The hospital in

2:43:502:43:55

Nuneaton has accepted it failed to

store the living will in a way that

2:43:552:43:59

meant it could be easily found. Does

apologised and paid £45,000. It is

2:43:592:44:04

now registering living wills on the

front pages of patient notes.

All

2:44:042:44:08

hospitals should be doing this,

because people are going to live

2:44:082:44:12

longer.

Michaela Tabb ten, BBC News.

2:44:122:44:15

Tracy Barker, who you just saw

talking about her mum, joins us now,

2:44:152:44:18

along with Eloise Power,

a barrister who specialises

2:44:182:44:20

in medical law.

2:44:202:44:26

Let's try to get to the bottom of

what a living will is, but thank you

2:44:262:44:30

so much for coming on to talk about

this this morning. We heard you

2:44:302:44:35

explain some of the story there, but

at what point did you become aware

2:44:352:44:39

that your mother had this will in

place but nobody seemed to know

2:44:392:44:42

about it?

We became aware of it in

the May before she died, so it was

2:44:422:44:47

like 20 months probably into her

treatment. The nursing home found it

2:44:472:44:53

and made me aware of it, and I made

our GPO aware of it, then followed

2:44:532:44:57

it through.

And up until the point,

you had no idea what her wishes

2:44:572:45:03

were?

We thought that she would have

done something like this, and we did

2:45:032:45:07

fight when they wanted to put the

peg in not to have it put in, but

2:45:072:45:11

the hospital just kept saying that

if she had not got a living will,

2:45:112:45:15

they couldn't do anything other than

treat her. But she hadn't got it.

2:45:152:45:25

It is such a thing to have gone

through. Let's talk for a moment

2:45:252:45:29

about the legal implications. A

living will is a statement of your

2:45:292:45:35

wishes, isn't it?

Yes, it is

properly known as an advanced

2:45:352:45:40

decision, and it is a legal capacity

document under the Mental Health

2:45:402:45:44

Act. The idea is that you make a

decision to refuse specific kinds of

2:45:442:45:48

medical treatment at a time when you

have capacity, so when you are of

2:45:482:45:52

sound mind. That decision then comes

into effect in the future if and

2:45:522:45:57

when you come to lack capacity. And

some practical examples of the kinds

2:45:572:46:03

of medical treatment that people

might wish to refuse include

2:46:032:46:08

resuscitation, they include

artificial hydration and nutrition,

2:46:082:46:11

as in the case of Brenda Brand that

we have just talked about, and they

2:46:112:46:15

also include treatment that people

might have religious objections to,

2:46:152:46:20

such as blood transfusions in some

cases. And it is important to be

2:46:202:46:23

aware that as the law stands at

present, living wills can only

2:46:232:46:26

enable you to refuse treatment. You

can't demand particular treatments

2:46:262:46:32

under a living will. You don't need

a solicitor to make a living will.

2:46:322:46:38

You can make one yourself. There are

freely downloadable forms from

2:46:382:46:43

organisations such as Compassion In

Dying, the legal requirements are

2:46:432:46:48

that they have to be in writing,

signed and witnessed.

I'm sure you

2:46:482:46:55

know all this now, Tracy,

investigating if yourself. You have

2:46:552:46:59

successfully sued the hospital, and

I know it is not about the money for

2:46:592:47:02

you, but does that in some way help

your family? How do you communicate

2:47:022:47:07

about it now?

What is more important

to me is the fact that the hospital

2:47:072:47:13

have admitted the liability and that

they have apologised, and they have

2:47:132:47:17

also change their process. That is

the most important thing to me.

So

2:47:172:47:21

no one has to go again through what

you have been through.

Hopefully

2:47:212:47:26

not, no. I just want in this day of

technology, why it can't just be on

2:47:262:47:30

a computer instead of tucked away in

notes.

And Eloise, that was the

2:47:302:47:37

thing for you, you didn't know about

this, so if people are thinking

2:47:372:47:40

about making living wills, how do

they make sure that their relatives

2:47:402:47:44

and all the important people that

need-to-know do know?

First of all,

2:47:442:47:49

I think Brenda grant's case raises

an important policy issue. There

2:47:492:47:53

should be a national database or

register of living wills, a kin to

2:47:532:47:57

the National organ donation

register, and I think this would be

2:47:572:48:01

of profound importance both the

doctors working on the ground and

2:48:012:48:04

for families that have to go through

what this family had to go through,

2:48:042:48:09

and hopefully it would increase

uptake of living wills. At present,

2:48:092:48:13

only 5% of adults in the UK have a

living will, and looking at the

2:48:132:48:19

bigger picture, we do need to

encourage our elderly population to

2:48:192:48:24

confront the challenges of later

life. On a practical level, if

2:48:242:48:29

people have already made a living

well, what can they do? I would

2:48:292:48:33

advise people to do three things.

First of all, ensure that your

2:48:332:48:37

doctors know about it. Ask your GP

to put it in the GP records. Ask

2:48:372:48:42

your hospital doctors to put it on

the hospital records. Second, tell

2:48:422:48:46

your loved ones, tell your family

and friends, give them a copy of the

2:48:462:48:50

living will, preferably give it a

more than one person. Third, if you

2:48:502:48:55

have a solicitor, give your

solicitor a copy of your living will

2:48:552:48:58

as well.

Extremely good advice.

Louise Power, thank you very much

2:48:582:49:02

indeed. And thank you for talking to

us. Carol has been running about.

2:49:022:49:13

Hopefully she is a bit more static

now! Sorry for making you go on that

2:49:132:49:17

spread earlier. But I think the

viewers enjoyed it.

2:49:172:49:22

I was jolly grateful, it is -10 in

here! Inside the magical ice

2:49:222:49:28

kingdom, it is stunning, as I said.

It is -10 but it is part of winter

2:49:282:49:33

wonderland in London, and look at

these ice sculptures. The detail of

2:49:332:49:37

the angelfish at the back, and also

this school of fish right in front

2:49:372:49:41

of me. They are all handcrafted,

they start making these way back in

2:49:412:49:46

April, we have a snow sculpture, and

then back into the ice sculptures,

2:49:462:49:50

which you can see, an octopus, other

kinds of fish as well. There are

2:49:502:49:55

over 250 ice sculptures in here, and

the clear ice is made by removing

2:49:552:49:59

all the minerals and bubbles from

normal water. On the other side,

2:49:592:50:04

look at this huge sculpture of a

submarine, and again, surrounded by

2:50:042:50:08

sharks and dolphins, and also by

these deep sea divers. It is quite

2:50:082:50:13

stunning, but if you are coming

down, wrap up warmly, you will need

2:50:132:50:17

to. Outside it is mild, the

temperature in London is currently

2:50:172:50:21

10 Celsius, so it is a good 20

degrees drop coming in here. For

2:50:212:50:26

many of us today, the forecast is

mild. We have some wind across the

2:50:262:50:30

whole of the UK developing across

the course of the

2:50:302:50:33

whole of the UK developing across

the course of the day, and also some

2:50:332:50:34

rain in the forecast. The rain

already making progress across

2:50:342:50:38

north-west Scotland, accompanied by

gusty winds, very strong across the

2:50:382:50:42

North, and again you can see a lot

of dry weather as we move into the

2:50:422:50:45

east and south. For Northern

England, are largely dry start, a

2:50:452:50:51

lot of cloud around, brighter skies

in the north-east, and for the rest

2:50:512:50:56

of England, fairly cloudy. The cloud

will be thick enough here and

2:50:562:50:59

therefore some showers, especially

with a bit of height, and here and

2:50:592:51:03

there, too, we will see a little

brightness develop, but most of us

2:51:032:51:06

won't. We are looking at a lot of

cloud, and one or two showers, and

2:51:062:51:12

one or two brighter breaks, also

rather wet and windy in Northern

2:51:122:51:19

Ireland. Through the day, the rain

continues to move across Scotland,

2:51:192:51:26

Northern Ireland, getting into

northern England, but for the rest

2:51:262:51:28

of England and Wales, it will remain

cloudy with the odd shower, and

2:51:282:51:32

again the odd bright spell, but it

will be mild. Temperatures 10-12dC.

2:51:322:51:39

Somewhere across the north coast of

Northern Ireland could hit 13, maybe

2:51:392:51:43

a little bit more. Then through the

evening and overnight, the wind will

2:51:432:51:53

continue to strengthen, cooler

conditions coming in behind. By the

2:51:532:51:55

end of the night, gales in the West,

and storm Caroline will be showing

2:51:552:51:59

her hand across north-west Scotland.

Storm force winds, and tomorrow it

2:51:592:52:05

is going to be moving from the west

to east across Scotland. The

2:52:052:52:10

strongest winds always in the far

north, but we'll is expected to be

2:52:102:52:16

extremely windy. As well as that we

will have snow coming down to lower

2:52:162:52:20

levels, and that could mean

blizzards. Northern Ireland, England

2:52:202:52:24

and Wales, the weather rattles

through quickly, then back to

2:52:242:52:28

sunshine and showers. Friday starts

off with some snow showers across

2:52:282:52:37

Scotland, Northern Ireland,

north-west England and North Wales.

2:52:372:52:41

They will be blown inland through

the course of the day, but they are

2:52:412:52:45

showers so not all of us will see

them. On Friday it will feel even

2:52:452:52:49

colder than tomorrow. Then as we

head into the weekend, snow showers

2:52:492:52:53

on Saturday for some of us and we

could see some significant snow on

2:52:532:52:57

Sunday from the Midlands North.

Largely on higher ground. But that

2:52:572:53:02

could change, so do keeping that

with the weather forecast,

2:53:022:53:05

especially so if you are on the move

on Sunday, because it could change.

2:53:052:53:11

Carol, thank you very much indeed,

we will let you go and warmer.

2:53:162:53:21

Childhood should be a carefree time

of life free from stress and worry.

2:53:212:53:24

However that's not the case

for thousands of young carers tasked

2:53:242:53:26

with looking after sick

or disabled family members.

2:53:262:53:30

Now the leading children's charity

Barnardo's says that schools

2:53:302:53:32

are failing to identify and support

a generation of children

2:53:322:53:34

who take care of loved ones.

2:53:342:53:38

Joining us to discuss the issue

is Lindsey and her daughter Maisy

2:53:382:53:45

who is her carer and Fiona Wright,

from St Antony's Catholic

2:53:452:53:48

College in Urmston.

2:53:482:53:58

Lindsey, let's start with you, tell

us about how Maisy and her older

2:54:002:54:04

sister look after you.

When I was diagnosed with heart

2:54:042:54:09

failure, I didn't know initially but

I was very unwell after having my

2:54:092:54:12

daughter. I was getting really

unwell, gaining lots of weight,

2:54:122:54:20

couldn't walk, couldn't eat,

couldn't sleep. My eldest daughter

2:54:202:54:25

and Maisy were getting me dressed.

They were putting food in the slow

2:54:252:54:30

cooker, and then going to school.

They were running to the shops, bath

2:54:302:54:35

in babies, doing nappies, lots of

stuff that, they were doing my job,

2:54:352:54:41

basically. And she was going to

school and not telling people what

2:54:412:54:44

was going on at home, because I

hadn't told anybody, and my doctor

2:54:442:54:49

was like, you need to go to

hospital, and I said, I can't, I

2:54:492:54:54

have got kids. And after about eight

months, my doctor said, Lindsey, you

2:54:542:54:59

need to go to hospital, something is

right, and they thought I had

2:54:592:55:03

ovarian cancer, and she sent me in.

My babies went into foster care, and

2:55:032:55:09

Maisy and her sisters went to their

dad's in London, and the following

2:55:092:55:13

day they said, it is not looking

good for you, and I said, OK, so I

2:55:132:55:18

called my auntie, and my mum turned

up, and they said, why didn't you

2:55:182:55:23

tell us, and I said, I didn't want

to tell anyone, and it went from

2:55:232:55:26

there. My little superstar.

And

Maisy, you have been so important to

2:55:262:55:32

your mum. What do you remember about

those times, and what kind of things

2:55:322:55:37

were you doing for your mum?

Making

dinners with my big sister, going

2:55:372:55:43

the shop and sometimes putting them

to bed.

And how all the weather at

2:55:432:55:53

the time?

You were ten and Katie was

12. They don't do too much now, but

2:55:532:55:58

they still put the babies to bed

because the baby step like me doing

2:55:582:56:01

it any more! They still Bath the

babies as well, because they don't

2:56:012:56:10

like me doing that.

And Maisy, tell

us about how Barnardo's have helped.

2:56:102:56:14

What sort of things have you been

doing?

For the first time we did a

2:56:142:56:25

salon and we got our herons nails

done.

That is a great fun day out.

2:56:252:56:34

Your hair luck scraped today, I like

the tinsel.

And you are going

2:56:342:56:41

-- your hair looks nice today.

And

they are going to the trampoline

2:56:412:56:46

park tomorrow.

And Lindsay was

bringing up some of the points,

2:56:462:56:51

Fiona. There will be a lot of

children going to school who are

2:56:512:56:55

taking on-board enormous

responsibilities at a young age, and

2:56:552:56:58

school don't necessarily know.

Should you be looking out for

2:56:582:57:02

children like that?

We are looking

out for children, what Maisie is

2:57:022:57:07

doing is an amazing thing, and I

think what the issue is we don't

2:57:072:57:10

always know about it, and it is that

that has come out of the report,

2:57:102:57:16

which is quite critical of schools

not supporting children, but to me

2:57:162:57:21

the issue that comes out more than

anything else is we don't know all

2:57:212:57:24

the time. There is no systematic way

of a school finding out whether the

2:57:242:57:28

child as a young carer, it is not in

any documentation, it can be a trial

2:57:282:57:33

breaks down in school, something

happens and then we find out, but

2:57:332:57:38

there is no systematic way of us

finding out, so there are two macro

2:57:382:57:42

elements, finding out in the first

place but then once we find out what

2:57:422:57:45

support we can put in place for both

of those.

And there are practical

2:57:452:57:51

issues, she presumably gets the same

amount of homework is anyone else at

2:57:512:57:54

school?

My eldest daughter didn't

tell anyone at school what she was

2:57:542:57:57

doing at home, and I kept saying,

your homework is going to suffer,

2:57:572:58:02

your work is going to suffer, and

they went to parents evening last

2:58:022:58:05

week, she is now year nine, and they

told me that the teachers had no

2:58:052:58:10

idea, it has been going on for a

year and a half and they had no

2:58:102:58:14

idea, and they said it is nice to

know what's going on at home, and

2:58:142:58:17

they can give her that extra support

that she needs. Maisy's school

2:58:172:58:23

where, because they have staff

meetings and I contact the School on

2:58:232:58:26

a regular basis, and they are very

supportive.

For everybody it is

2:58:262:58:31

individual, but what sort of things

can you help with?

When a child

2:58:312:58:36

comes to you with whatever issue, so

it could be mental well-being,

2:58:362:58:40

domestic violence in the home,

anything. It is what that child

2:58:402:58:44

knees, so it is this Poke young

carers. Again, they will all be

2:58:442:58:49

different, so it could be that some

child might need some support and a

2:58:492:58:56

reduction in her work. There was a

young carer that we have only 11,

2:58:562:59:01

and she would be devastated if I

told her to do less work because she

2:59:012:59:04

has high aspirations and she doesn't

want to do less, so it would depend

2:59:042:59:08

on what they need, but definitely

signposting to someone like

2:59:082:59:12

Barnardo's. There are not a lot of

local provision for young carers as

2:59:122:59:16

there has been in the past, but

there isn't as much local provision

2:59:162:59:19

any more, so signposting is very

useful.

Have you heard of the

2:59:192:59:24

musical The Cat In The Hat? My

children have done the musical at

2:59:242:59:30

their school, and one of the songs

is called Amazing Maisy, and I can

2:59:302:59:37

tell them that I have met one!

2:59:372:59:39

Children and Families Minister

Robert Goodwill said:

2:59:402:59:42

We recognise the enormous

contribution that young carers make

2:59:422:59:44

and we know that schools play a very

important part in identifying pupils

2:59:442:59:47

who are young carers and offering

them appropriate support.

2:59:472:59:49

The joint Carers Trust

and Children's Society Young Carers

2:59:492:59:51

in Schools Programme is important

to help identify young

2:59:512:59:53

carers among teachers,

nonteaching staff and school nurses

2:59:532:59:55

to ensure that individuals get

the support they need.

2:59:552:59:57

Great to talk to you all. You might

like this next article.

2:59:573:00:02

The winner of this year's

Turner Prize was announced

3:00:043:00:06

in Hull last night.

3:00:063:00:07

And Lubaina Himid has become

both the oldest winner

3:00:073:00:10

and the first ever black

woman to take the award.

3:00:103:00:13

The prestigious prize

was given to the 63-year-old

3:00:133:00:15

Zanzibar-born artist for her work

addressing racial politics

3:00:153:00:17

and the legacy of slavery.

3:00:173:00:19

We'll be chatting to Lubaina

in a moment,

3:00:193:00:21

but first let's see her winning

moment.

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MUSIC PLAYS

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The winner of this year's

Turner Prize is Lubaina Himid.

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CHEESE AND APPLAUSE

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Lovely to see that, and I am

delighted to say that Lubaina joins

3:01:033:01:07

us now. How does that feel?

Congratulations, after so many years

3:01:073:01:13

of hard work.

Oh, well, thank you

very much, even this morning it

3:01:133:01:19

feels amazing.

We were saying you

were a bit of a record breaker, the

3:01:193:01:22

oldest winner of the prize and the

first-ever black woman to win the

3:01:223:01:27

prize, you are making new ground.

Yeah, so it seems, I don't feel that

3:01:273:01:32

old, I have to say! The usual thing,

I kind of feel 20 years younger than

3:01:323:01:37

I am, so it is peculiar to be talked

about in that way, but I can go with

3:01:373:01:43

it.

Tell us a little bit about the

work that you put into winning this,

3:01:433:01:49

yesterday we had our Tinie Tempah

three, children judging the award,

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they really liked your stuff. --

Tiny Turner.

I collected 100 plates

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and durians and jugs in order to

make the Lancaster dinner service,

3:02:033:02:07

and I was trying to show how the

slave trade at, shall we say,

3:02:073:02:13

contributed to the wealth of many of

our cities. So I painted people

3:02:133:02:20

rather angry at the abolition of the

slave trade, other people absolutely

3:02:203:02:27

joyous, and one or two, maybe 30 of

those plates were painted with

3:02:273:02:33

figures of African slaves and

servants. I am just trying to really

3:02:333:02:42

illustrates the contribution that

black people have made to the

3:02:423:02:46

cultural landscape, to the British

political landscape, and also fill

3:02:463:02:51

in some of the gaps that don't get

talked about, don't get written

3:02:513:02:54

about.

I wonder whether you feel

your work has been overlooked for

3:02:543:02:58

many years and this is the

recognition that... I know you are

3:02:583:03:02

not doing this for recognition, but

it is important that it has been

3:03:023:03:06

recognised.

In a way, it has, there

are groups, there are essays, lots

3:03:063:03:12

of discussion in art circles about

the work, lots of artists and

3:03:123:03:16

curators and art historians know it,

but yeah, not many people on

3:03:163:03:25

television have talked about it, or

in the newspapers, so in that way it

3:03:253:03:28

is overlooked. And because I am

interested in a lot of people

3:03:283:03:31

looking at the work, and it being

about being able to discuss these

3:03:313:03:33

subjects and do something about

them, it is important for the work

3:03:333:03:38

to be thought about and argued about

in a more public forum.

I spoke to

3:03:383:03:43

another Turner prizewinner a few

years ago, and they said it was one

3:03:433:03:47

thing to paint a picture or make a

sculpture, but it is another thing

3:03:473:03:51

for somebody's attitude to be

changed by that. Will people think

3:03:513:03:55

differently based on you winning the

prize and looking into you a bit

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more and seeing the motivations

behind what you have done?

I think

3:03:593:04:03

what might change things is, if they

look into my work, they can see that

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there are hundreds and hundreds of

really incredible artists working

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today in Britain, and that we are

all of us dedicated, even if we are

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not political artists, dedicated to

speaking to audiences and having

3:04:163:04:21

conversations with them. We are not

trying to be aloof or different or

3:04:213:04:26

special, we are trying to have

conversations, and Galleries and

3:04:263:04:29

abuse Ian is the places we do it,

and hopefully while they are free,

3:04:293:04:34

those discussions can take place. --

galleries and museums.

I hear you

3:04:343:04:40

are spending the prize and is a new

shoes, is that right?

Indeed!

Well,

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enjoy shopping, and enjoy the

congratulations, thank you for being

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on Breakfast this morning.

Lovely to see you, she deserves a

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lovely pair of shoes as well.

Excellent news, how nice to end the

3:04:543:04:59

programme not to end the programme!

There is more, a really exciting bit

3:04:593:05:03

coming up! We will be telling you

who is the BBC Introducing artist of

3:05:033:05:08

the year, it will be announced live

on air. I mentioned she was one of

3:05:083:05:14

my favourites, Jo Whiley will be

here a minute.

3:05:143:05:17

Second favourite?

Let's not list! At the headlines

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wherever you are this morning!

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For many artists and musicians,

3:07:043:07:05

getting that first break

is the hardest step in their career.

3:07:053:07:08

That's why ten years ago the BBC

launched a platform to help

3:07:083:07:11

new, unsigned artists to be heard.

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In a moment, we'll be

speaking this year's winner

3:07:153:07:19

of the Artist of the Year award.

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Well, Jo Whiley will be doing it!

We have just seen him, but never

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mind!

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First let's have a look at some

3:07:283:07:30

of the familiar faces who's careers

started out on local BBC radio.

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Hello!

My name is Ed Sheeran.

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For BBC Introducing,

this is Florence and the Machine.

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Oh, I hope I remember the words.

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We are called Slaves!

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My name is George Ezra.

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Izzy Bizu.

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MUSIC PLAYS

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MUSIC PLAYS

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Some real quality there! Would you

like to do the honours?

Do I

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officially get to hand it to him? It

is really heavy! The BBC Introducing

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artist of the year is Declan

McKenna.

I think you might have

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known that!

I didn't know why I was

here! I'm going to put this down, it

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is really heavy.

It is a beautiful

thing, and you keep it as well.

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Massive congratulations, you have

known for a while, how would you

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feel about it?

Delighted, yeah, I

didn't know what to think at first,

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I didn't have time to register it,

but it is amazing, a great thing to

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be a part of, having the support is

really cool.

I am just going to move

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this around, it looks like it is

growing out of your chin! It is very

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impressive. Jo, tell us a little bit

about Declan.

He is a wonderful

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example of what we do with BBC

Introducing, you uploaded music when

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you were 15 years old to the BBC...

I feel like I am telling your story,

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you should be doing this!

I was

about 15, 16, when I first uploaded

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to BBC Introducing, got played on

the local radio, then in London,

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then Radio 1 picked it up, Zane

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the local radio, then in London,

then Radio 1 picked it up, Zane, and

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it went from there. The support from

early on are still continuing.

Zane

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being Zane Lowe, obviously.

Everybody wants to get their music

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heard, you need a stage to play on,

you want people to hear your songs

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coming out of the radio, and that is

what we can do With BBC Introducing.

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You have done some major festivals

with us, it takes you from being in

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your bedroom making music, and you

can go anywhere. It is a wonderful

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thing, I am so passionate about it.

I read this ludicrous that that 60%

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of the act that Reading had come

through BBC Introducing, which is

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incredible!

It is impressive, we

just saw Florence, she started with

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Introducing, she headlined

Glastonbury, and incredible journey.

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Where did you start, you are writing

songs when you were five or six?

I

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have been writing for as long as I

can be a member.

Do you know what

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the first one was?

Not at all, not a

chance! Probably not worth listening

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to, to be honest. I have always been

creative, and it has always been

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something I have really wanted to

do, it has never not been a thing

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for me, so yeah, that progression in

my life happened naturally and led

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up to...

Lots of parents are

extremely proud, they love it when

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their children write songs, what

were your Szalai?

Very supportive, I

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do not know whether they are

watching now, I am sure they are.

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They have always been very

supportive, my biggest fans, my dad

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used to drive me around when I first

started playing shows and stuff. I

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have always been supported by them,

very lucky to have them.

One of the

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reasons he is so deserving, he did a

session for me last year and our

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tiny studio, and he was so

commanding, he had all these

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musicians there, but he was in

charge of what everyone was doing,

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playing two instruments at once and

one point. So much talent in such a

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going person is incredible.

Do you

play everything on your records?

A

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lot of it, I don't play with a band

in the studio, on the record I work

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with James Ford, who played some of

the stuff, but I try to do as much

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of it as possible, I do a little bit

of everything, even if I am not

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particularly good, but you can

disguise that on record.

What

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instrument were you playing at the

same time?

I used to have a loop

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paddle, a keyboard and then my

guitar, and liked a little pad

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filled with drums and sounds and

staff. I never thought it was I was

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particularly good at it, but I did

do it, it was a big part of might

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live show for a good few years.

For

people who don't know your music yet

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- and they will - how would you

describe it?

Psych tinged guitar

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pop. I am not very good at this!

When we saw you at Latitude, so much

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glitter and dazzle, you are really

playing it down, but he is really

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dynamic.

What are you doing next?

I

have got a couple of UK tour dates

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at the end of this week, and then we

are going to Japan, we have got a

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gig in Tokyo, then taking a month

off for Christmas, doing some

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writing and stuff, then touring

America from January. It is all

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going.

I can see you want to go

home, but thank you for coming in!

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You can actually go now!

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You can see Declan receieve his

award on The Year In Music 2017

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on BBC Two this Friday at 9pm.

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Charlie and Naga will be

here from six o'clock tomorrow

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morning when they'll be joined

by Brian Cox

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and Alexander Armstrong.

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Now on BBC One, it's

time for Island Medics. Goodbye.

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