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This is BBC World News Today. The fightback begins. The recent

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violence on England's Street will not be tolerated. That is the

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message from the British Prime Minister, David Cameron. We will

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track you down, we will find you, we will charge you. You will pay

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for what you have done. We are sticking to our guns. It is still

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plan away. The Chancellor warns that the recovery will be harder

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and longer than expected. I am live in Naples, on the day that the

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Italian Finance Minister promised tough financial measures to bring

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down Italy's debt. The truth may be out there if you have the time and

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money to look. The defence ministry Criminality, pure and simple. That

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is how David Cameron has been describing the riots and looting

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across England in the last week. Speaking at an emergency recall of

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violence, he said -- recall of Parliament, he said the violence

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would not be tolerated. He also A smash and grab raid in south

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London. Today, it was the police doing it, with the cameras invited

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along to witness a suspect being hauled in. They and their political

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masters want the message to go alt that the streets of Britain are

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back under control. To the Lord -- the law abiding people, we will

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protect you. If you have had your livelihood damaged, we will

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compensate you. We are on your side. To the lawless minority, I say this.

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We will track down, we would find you, we will charge you, we will

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punish you. You will pay for what you have done. A packed house spoke

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as one during this emergency session. Almost as is the country

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was at war. Whatever we agree on, week by week, month by month, today

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as a house, we stand together against the violence that we have

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seen. They can be no excuses and no justification. This behaviour has

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disgusted us all. It cannot be allowed to stand and we will not

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allow it to stand. The bravery of the individual police officers

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caught up in the raids was praised. But there was a widespread

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criticism for the bosses tactics. The what became increasingly clear

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earlier this week was that they were far too few police employed on

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our streets, and the tactics they were using were not working. Police

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chiefs have been frank with me about the pride this happened.

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Initially, they treated this as a public order issue rather than a

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crime. In the future, combating gangs would be a national priority.

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Powers to reveal that -- to remove pace -- face marks would be used.

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Today, the MP for Tottenham spoke out about the anger of his

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constituents. 45 people have lost their homes in Tottenham. They were

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carrying their children in their arms. Their cry is "where was the

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police?". Thousands of police would be kept on the streets. One by one,

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officers are identifying those who should be brought to bear stairs.

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Politicians united to condemn the violence, but they were divided on

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the future of the police. With me in the studio is Phil Jones, a

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writer and youth worker, and Brian Paddick, a police commissioner

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turned politician. It was interesting, not a great deal of

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discussion in the Commons today about the causes of this, but they

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were saying the looting was about theft, not politics. The you agree

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with that? I think what happened was that potential looters saw that

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in Tottenham, people were able to go into stores, still things, in

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front of the bullet -- police, and the police were not doing anything

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about it. They thought if they could organise themselves in

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sufficient numbers, they could do the same things and get away with

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it. It was criminality? It wasn't part as -- part of a wider malaise

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in society, and they were making a point? If that was the case, why

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have we not seen looting up until now? The answer is, people wanted

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to get stuck for free, and they thought they could get away with it.

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Do you agree with that? Yes. I would like to make a couple of

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points. What we are looking at is the end product. That is the right

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and the breaking in that in those - - breaking in windows. I would like

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to make a point about the pack mentality. We saw it in the 1970s

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with football hooliganism. The police came down much harder in

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those days. Maybe it is a question that Prime could answer. Many

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people said that they went along with other people. I am the same as

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the next person. I saw the pictures and thought it was terrible. But I

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must come back to a point about the causes of this. I have been working

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for 15 years with these people in schools and so forth. Do we want to

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look at the course of why this happened or not? We can just look

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at the end product. I can give you some reasons. What are the causes

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behind this? When you ask me what I am a role model for, I look at the

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top down for a change. Let's look at the messages we just sent out. I

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am looking at the will of the Conservative MP who put a note into

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-- a house for his ducks. That came from taxpayers' expenses. What

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started -- startled me is that he said he was none of our business.

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The young people you spoke to, what was their reaction? Can I be frank

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with you? They said on a gangster's? They do not get sent to

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prison. David Cameron made clear that they have been failures in the

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police. Do you think if this had been addressed in a robust way, the

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copycat rioting would have not happened? I don't think so. They

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saw people getting away with it. We have had this before. When police

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had shot someone, it deteriorates into a riot. They must have known

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it was a likely outcome. They should have had police there in

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numbers. If they had done that, I do not think we would have seen the

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copycat riots. The water cannons used in Northern Ireland could be

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used here. But the powers outlined today. Is that enough? Turning of

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social networks if there is a threat? There is a balance here

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between civil liberties... A lot of the people cleaning up have used

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the same social networks. A thin toast -- turn of social networks is

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a bad thing. The police are not using their powers responsibly.

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Just a final thing for you both. In terms of parental responsibility, a

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breakdown in family, how much is that relevant as well? David

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Cameron talked about the broken society, a sick society. How much

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does that playing it? A very interesting comment but David

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Cameron made about the sick society. When I work with the young people,

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should I condemn the the single parent who does her level best day

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in day out to keep these people under -- keep these people out of

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trouble? Or should I can Ben -- condemned the parents? They need

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support. The support is being taken away. Just a final point on that

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one. A point on social housing. already have things like acceptable

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behaviour contracts, where people signed to say that the children

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will obey the law, and if not, their tenancy will be in jeopardy.

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I don't think we should do it after event -- after the event, but if we

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make it clear that good behaviour is a condition of it, then that is

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good. Thank you very much for talking to us. Plan A is the only

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plan for the UK. That was the message from George Osborne today,

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Op one admitted and that Britain's economic recovery would be harder

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and take longer than before. Yesterday, the Bank of England cut

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its growth forecast from 1.8 % to 1.5 %. The main risks to the UK

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economy came from abroad, including the euro-zone. Recoveries from this

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kind of debt driven balanced Street during the recession would always

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be difficult, but the whole world now realises that the huge overhang

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of debt means that the economy -- the recovery will take longer and

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be harder than anticipated. It is a dangerous time for the economy. We

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should be realistic about that, and we should set our expectations

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accordingly. George Osborne also highlighted the confidence -- the

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lack of confidence in eurozone countries to pay off their debts

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has spread. Today, the Italian finance minister called for tough

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austerity measures over the next two years to balance Italy's budget

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by 2013. Gavin Hewitt is in Naples. All day, Italians have been

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scanning the papers and the wires trying to find out what they will

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be experiencing in the future in terms of austerity measures. One

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idea is to raise the retirement age for women. The big question

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hovering over Italy is this. From in order for Italy to tackle its

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gigantic debt. The market is the financial corruption that Italians

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fear. On the streets of Naples, everything is marked down. The

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problem could -- the problem for the government is that the debt has

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reached 1.8 trillion Euros. Silvio Berlusconi is having to examine a

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range of austerity cuts. Take this resort just outside Naples. For

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many, the time spent scanning the financial pages. The manager sums

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up his frustration. Whatever they decide to do, they will never be

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fired. They can steal, they can go on sick leave for as long as they

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want, and it is very difficult to fire them. For 10 years, Italy's

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growth has been anaemic, but the debt in comparison to Germany has

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sharply increased. This ship -- this shipyard has gone are idle.

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The work has gone to Croatia. TRANSLATION: I feel humiliated. I

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am losing the will to live. This woman understands only too well the

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lack of growth. She is part of the 60 % of young people without work.

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TRANSLATION: I live with my mother, and she is helping me. But it is

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difficult because I and 25. I want to have a family, but I cannot,

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because I don't have a job. southern England -- in southern

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Italy, many of relied on the black economy. As regards future growth,

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it is unlikely to get above 1%. So, the big fear remains that Italy

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will not grow fast enough to bring down its debt. The markets fear

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that as well. The European Central Bank is intervening, helping to

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drive down Italy's borrowing costs. But that can only be a short-term

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measure. It is a holiday time, and the Neapolitans are at the beach.

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But a cultural revolution is threatened. Even if that is done,

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with all the likely social tension, it is still difficult to see this

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There is a lot of grim economic news here but it is not the whole

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story. I am joined by President of the high-tech district here in

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Naples. Tell me what you are experiencing here in terms of what

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Italian companies are up to at the moment. The hi-tech is certainly

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one of the biggest areas through the Italian economy, also the local

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economy. Five years ago I was there in the east of Naples, now 65

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industries are connecting them, working with big projects in the

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space sector. Invest that 45 million euros. I used seemed grows

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amongst these high-tech companies? Is this something, if you like, the

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green shoots in Italy? Sure. Sincerely, the high-tech is the

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first step to the attack and to create a big world to the crisis.

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But it is important that the industries, the company's,

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interconnect with each other and work with big projects, and in this

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context, the support of the institution is very important. The

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municipality, the province, the Union of enterprises. I was going

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to ask, what do you see as the key in order for Italy to grow again,

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bring down its debt? The key is the system, the networking, the

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corporation. To do big projects together. And to have new ideas. To

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believe in these big projects. And now there are 65 industries that

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are connecting with each other in the aerospace sector, and they have

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projects. In the past, Italy has had some world-beating companies.

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You have fantastic designers in the country. What is the mood in the

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business sector with all this focus upon Italy's debt? The new idea.

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And also the skills. The two strength are the excellent

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technology and the skills. In our high-tech world, there are 4,000

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work units, 18% degree. Thank you. Whilst all this focus has been here

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on Italy, there is another country which is hugely important to the

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eurozone crisis, and that is France. But shares, particularly in French

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banks, were down today. And there are lots of stories about what may

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be happening to French growth. I am joined by our Paris correspondent.

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What are we likely to here about what is happening to French

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economic growth? We have figures for the second quarter coming out

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tomorrow, which I think we'll make pessimistic reading. We no growth

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is slowing and this might compound the product -- problems we have

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seen in the markets in the last two days. The French banks have

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suffered. There has been lots of short selling and rumours flying

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around the markets about the bank's' ability to meet financial

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concerns. Exposure to countries like Italy and Greece. One of the

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fundamental problems, apart from the fact that the markets do not

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believe that governments are getting to grips with the sovereign

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debt crisis, he is that there is just not a lot of trust about. Some

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traders today are saying they feel it is like the run-up to the layman

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crisis, banks not trusting each other and not lending to each other.

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Some Asian banks today cutting lines of credit to French banks, or

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at least considering it. Things are problematic for the French market.

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Whereas the beggars in the past was on countries like Italy, suddenly

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it has returned to France. -- whereas the focus in the past.

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these bad rumours or is there substance behind them, that France

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may itself be in trouble in this debt crisis? Banks like BNP Paribas

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or have huge exposure to the sovereign debt crisis in Italy.

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They are the third biggest bank there. It is true they will be war

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-- watching the cause of the Government very closely. But also

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there'll wild rumours flying around as well and then maybe some

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speculation -- speculators that are benefiting from that. They have

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called for an inquiry by the regulator and dismissed as rubbish

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concerns that one bank, for example, may need a Government bail-out. But

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it shows it is just in the market. Thank you. -- it shows the distrust.

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It underlines how this eurozone crisis is spreading from the

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peripheral countries to the main countries in the eurozone.

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Some other news. Reports from Syrian opposition groups such as

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Government forces are back in the city of Hama just a day after towns

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were seen leaving their. Tanks and troop carriers were seen at Carrog

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-- at Saraqeeb and further south at Laksir.

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The gunman who entered the Estonian Ministry of Defence and took

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hostages has died. There are conflicting reports about whether

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he committed suicide or was killed by security forces. It is not known

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what his motives were. The people he were holding our up unharmed.

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China has ordered a temporary halt to the start of new high-speed rail

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projects following a fatal crash several weeks ago. Bullet trains

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will travel at reduced speeds well checks are carried out.

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The drugs company Pfizer has begun making payments to families in

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Northern Nigeria whose children died or were left disabled by

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medical trials 15 years ago. The first families have now received

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$175,000 each from a $35 million compensation fund. Let's speak to

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our Nigerian correspondent. Explain the background to this case. This

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all dates back to a meningitis outbreak in the northern part of

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Nigeria in 1996. An horrific outbreak, 12,000 people died.

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During that outbreak, Pfizer, the pharmaceuticals giant, had sent a

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team into the city of Kano with the aim of carrying out a trial of a

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new medicine they were testing called drove round. Those tests

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took place in a hospital, involving 200 children. -- a drug called

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Trovan. The children were given the established medicine and driven. In

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the months that followed, it emerged 11 children had died and

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many more had been disabled or disfigured. It is not men and

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bitches contested as to whether it was directly as a result of those

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trials but what we saw was a protracted legal process which then

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took place with the family's in the trials sieving of Fraser both in

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Nigeria and in the United States. In -- several years ago there was

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an out-of-court settlement involving Pfizer and the

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governments. No liability was accepted on the part of Pfizer but

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they agreed to pay $30 million to establish a hospital in Kano state

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and to establish this fund of $35 million which would act as

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compensation for those people who had been effective in the trials.

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That is what we have seen today take place in Kano. The first

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groups are being paid at $175,000 each. They are the first four of

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what could be up to 200 people being compensated.

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The latest batch of UFO files released by the National Archives

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in Britain contain sightings of mysterious lights over the

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Glastonbury rock festival, a flying saucer over a town hall and

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evidence from an RAF fighter controller. The Government files

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detail how much the authorities did or did not deal with the reports.

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Very few of the reports were investigated because civil servants

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decided it would be a waste of time and money. Let's speak to the man

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who used to run the British Government's UFO programme. What a

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title, UEFA programme and the Ministry of Defence! Is it all

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Chinese lanterns and trick photography? A lot of it was and

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that is why in 2009 the MoD axed the UFO projects because it was

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difficult to justify spending public money on it. How much money

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was being spent? Very little because most of the things you need

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to investigate properly, like checking radar tapes, getting the

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photos and videos analysed, you already have that capability.

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officially, the MoD always pooh- poohed UFO reports. Was that

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reflecting what was going on inside your department audit some people

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think there might be something in it? Interestingly, while the policy

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with the media and the public was to downplay this issue and say it

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is of no defence significance, these documents show that certainly

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when we had more interesting sightings, reports from pilots,

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military personnel, we did investigate, but Joe Public and the

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Chinese lanterns, probably not. you believe in UFOs? I think there

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is life out there. Or whether it is visiting, I do not know. I would

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like to think so. What were the most credible reports you saw?

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had a case from 1980 when something actually landed in a forest. The

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defence intelligence staff found radiation levels significantly

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higher than the background readings at this landing site, so something

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happened. So what was the plausible reason given? There is no

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explanation. We simply said this was one of the 5% of cases that we

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could not explain, and rather like an unsolved crime, until and unless

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some new information came in, it just sits on the file unexplained.

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So officially, briefly, there is life out there? Probably! Thank you.

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A quick reminder of our main news. The British Prime Minister at David

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Cameron has told parliament that riots and looting of the kind that

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spread across England in the past week will not be tolerated. He said

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there is no excuse for what he called opportunist thugs. He blamed

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a culture in which children were not draw right from wrong, rather

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than poverty. The Italian finance minister has

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told parliament that Government costs will be cut, state companies

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