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This is BBC World News Today with me Tim Willcox. Getting ready to

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burn the midnight oil in Brussels. EU finance ministers wrestle with

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bail out number two for Greece, but how much more pain can - or will -

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Greeks take? More clashes between protestors and

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police in Senegal, as demonstrators vent their anger at President Wade

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going for a third term in office. What a difference a year makes. On

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the anniversary of Misrata's rise against the Gaddafi regime in Libya,

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people go to the polls in local elections.

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Also coming up in the programme: One step closer to ridding the

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world of polio. A special report on the immunisation programme that's

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helped India become polio-free in the last year.

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India used to have more polio cases than anywhere else, but political

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will, resources and dedication have finally wiped it out. And meat, but

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not as we know it. Test tube burgers could soon be on the menu.

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How appetising a solution could it be to feeding the world's growing

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Hello and welcome. It looks like it's going to be another long night

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in Brussels. EU finance ministers focus once again on Greece's second

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massive bail out. After weeks of increasingly fraught negotiations

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it does now look as if the deal might go ahead. The stakes couldn't

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be higher and among the big questions preoccupying finance

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ministers tonight, will political leaders in Athens stick to their

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promises and will it be enough to stave off default later in the

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year? Here's Matthew Price in Brussels. The mood has changed in

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Brussels, as thaeriefd Europe's finance ministers all made it clear

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that they expect this deal to go through. The chairman of the

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meeting saying it has to be concluded now. Greece saying

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they've done enough. The EU's chief economics official indicated he did

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expect the deal to go through. But that wouldn't be the end of the

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eurozone's problems. I trust tonight we can then turn the page,

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turn the corner and move from stabilisation to what's boosting

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sustainable growth and job creation. Because that's what is really

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needed in Europe now. The package, without which Athens will go

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bankrupt in mid-March, is centred on a �110 billion bail out fund.

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Much of it will go towards financing a deal that will see �83

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billion of Greek debt written off. Private lenders will see a

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reduction of 70% in the money that they've invested in Greece. In

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Brussels there is a sense that this deal will finally go through. The

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French Finance Minister has said if it doesn't, there is a risk of a

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systemic crisis across the eurozone. So here, they will say that they

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have rescued Greece, once again. Yet, at what cost to the people of

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Greece? In Athens overnight, there was more violence, more protests

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against what Greece is being asked to do. And on the streets this

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morning, a sense that the public sector job cuts... Minimum wage,

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simply won't work. TRANSLATION: No matter how many

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loans we receive, if we don't start producing something to be able to

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stand on our own two feet, we will never have recovery in Greece.

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TRANSLATION: Even if they cut all pension, all benefits from the

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unemployed, from disabled people etc, the problem will not be solved.

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It's a dead end. Some believe this deal saves Greece, others fear the

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cuts are so deep that its people will bear the cost for a generation.

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Penny Marinou set up her own business after working at the Greek

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Economics Ministry for many years and joins us now from Athens. And

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Wolfram Schrettl, a Professor of Economics at the Free University of

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Berlin, is also with us. In whose best interests, do you think, is

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this second bail out package, the Greeks or Germany and the eurozone?

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In neither's interest I would say. So what it does, it buys again time.

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It avoids disorderly default. What it does not get for both Greece and

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the rest of the eurozone massive growth in Greece that. Cannot be

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achieved by this austerity programme. So Greece is entering

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its fifth year of recession. Is the Greek economy still going to

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contract further despite this bail out, this won't kickstart any

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growth, is it? Certainly not. What it may do is stop the decline. That

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is not enough for what we need right now. The only medication that

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would really achieve the goal is that Greece steps outside the

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eurozone for a transer to period, recovers quickly, following

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devaluation and then re-enters. Just like Estonia entered

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undramatically, Greece should exit. You know the Greek people extremely

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well, how much more can they take of these austerity measures?

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Describe what's happening to ordinary, middle-class Greeks and

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the pain they're going through. Well, for middle-class and lower

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income Greeks it's really very difficult. They've come to the

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point where their income is just about enough to cover living costs.

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Of course, I suppose that these austerity measures were necessary,

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but they haven't been accompanied by some development measures.

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That's the problem. Because even if the government tries to get income

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from taxation, there's no income left to tax. So we're going round

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in a vicious circle I would say. was covering the confidence vote

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last year, and all the demonstrations and the mass public

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General Strikes, then a lot of people said they wanted to stay in

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the euro. Has that changed? I don't think so. I really believe that the

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majority of Greeks want to stay in the eurozone. And in Europe.

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Professor, does that surprise you, because from what you're saying it

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looks as if default is inevitable at some stage. No, it doesn't

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surprise me at all. I mean, in all countries, where there was a

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devaluation of the currency, the avoidance of the devaluation was

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made a matter of national pride and dignity. This was so in the Asian

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crisis. It was so in the Russia crisis. Then President Yeltsin said

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there wouldn't be devaluation. But this is a mistaken understanding of

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dignity and pride. It harms the country, though. We have the

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private write down for private investors as well. How much of a

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schism is there between Angela Merkel and her Finance Minister

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about the best way forward, because there's a row at the moment about

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the ECB not wanting to write down its Greek holdings at 70%, which

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all the others are having to do. don't want to comment on the schism

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between Chancellor Merkel and the Finance Minister, but they both...

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Why not? Just let me complete that. They were united in the original

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sin of saying under no circumstances will Greece exit the

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eurozone. That was the original mistake and we're suffering from

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the consequences of this. Whether or not they are now divided is

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unknown to me. I see. Thank you. Just a final thought, what do you

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think the ultimate long-term impact of this is going to be? Do you

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think there will be a change, perhaps, in Greek public opinion

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and they'll say yes, we will take these cuts, take this austerity,

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rather like the Irish have done, but they don't have the same

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export-led economy like the Irish, or do you think there will be mass

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demonstrations and none of this will ever get through? I think

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there will be mass demonstrations but things are getting through at a

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slow pace, I would say. And many Greeks believe that the only way to

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change things in this country, where there are so many things

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wrong so to apply a really strict programme and change the way the

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Government functions. You can't imagine what problems we have in

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this country. Everything is wrong. All the public services don't work

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properly. Nothing works properly. It's you know, a mess. OK. Well,

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thank you both very much. Let's look at the day's other news:

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Experts in the UN atomic energy agency are visiting Iran to find

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out more about the country's nuclear programme. Their arrival

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coincided with an announcement from Tehran. Its military has launched a

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four-day exercise to test the defences of its nuclear sites.

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Security forces in Nigeria say they have killed eight militants in the

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north-east. They say they were part of an Islamist sect. Explosions

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were heard coming from a market in the centre of the city. Three

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government soliers were injured in the shootout.

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Reports from Syria suggest government troops are preparing for

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another assault on Homs. There already been rocket attacks. China

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has warned that any Western support for the opposition could lead to

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Civil War. Senegal's President, Abdoulaye Wade,

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has accused opposition parties of planning violence to disrupt next

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Sunday's presidential election. Opposition candidates called for

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further protests against the President's decision to run for a

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third term. He says he wants to finish what he kaulds hills grand

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projects. At least six people have been killed since demonstrations

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began late last month. Mike Wooldridge reports. Religion

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entering into the volatile situation in Senegal. People

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gathered at this mosque in the capital Dakar, angry that during a

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demonstration on Friday, the security forces had fired a tear

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gas grenade into the building. A new confrontation develops. The

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original incident has drawn in members of Senegal's largest Sufi

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brotherhood. "We're very upset because the police desecrated the

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mosque. This act is hurting us a lot. It's a spiritual place. Even

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our colonisers have never dared resort to such profannity", this

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man says. As rocks were hurled and tear gas fired once more, for the

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fifth consecutive day, the government sought to limit the

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damagelet the interior minister offered sincere apologies for a

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tear gas canister going off inside the mosque and urged politicians

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not to hold protests in the vicinity of mosques. Feelings are

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running high. "We speak in the name of religion, not only in the name

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of Muslims or the brotherhood. We live together perfectly with

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Christians. Once you start attacking the church and now it's

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the turn of our brotherhood, what's it going to be tomorrow?"

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The clashes on the streets of Dakar and other towns began last month.

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After 85-year-old President Abdoulaye Wade won the backing of

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Senegal's top legal body for his intention of seeking a third term

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in the presidential election which takes place next Sunday. There's a

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two-term limit for leaders, but Mr Wade argued that his first term

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doesn't count. In a country with a reputation for stability and for

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pioneering democracy, Mr Wade's spokesman accused an opposition

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candidate of recruiting a militia to provoke chaos and make Senegal

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ungovernable. Today France, the former colonial power expressed

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deep concern over the rising tensions. It was exactly one year

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ago today that the Libyan city of Misrata rose up against Colonel

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Gaddafi, coinciding with that anniversary, it's been voting to

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elect a local council, the first major city in Libya to hold

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democratic poll since the fall of Colonel Gaddafi. He banned

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elections as an invention of the West. A new 28 member council will

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help rebuild the city. Dr Fawaz Gerges joins us live now. These are

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local elections, aren't they, but maybe a dress rehearsal for the

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ones in the summer, what does it say about the unity of the country

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do you think? Not much, Tim. It's too early yet. It's an important

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milestone on the road to establish a legitimate government, legitimate

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institutions. This is the first free poll in more than 30 years.

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There's a great deal of excitement. It's a rehearsal, a trial, before

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national elections take place later this year. But the turnout hasn't

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been as great as many people had hoped. Between 30 and 40 or 50%.

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There's not much excite as -- excitement as there was in Tunisia

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and even Egypt. In this sense, it's the first step. As you also

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suggested Misrata was one of the cities that was besieged by

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Gaddafi's forces for several months. Heavy fighting left deep scars in

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Misrata, so in this sense, the elections to choose 28 members,

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local council members, is a very important event. But there are many

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challenges. Among those the path to democracies. The challenges

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surround the NTC itself. I wonder what your thoughts are about the

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process they are making. They are now talking about having their own

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party and seem to be doing things by decree rather than overt

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democratic process. You're absolutely correct. You put your

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finger really on some severe challenges facing Libya. First of

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all, there's a great deal of tensions and cleevages. Not much

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has taken place in the sense of building a centralised government.

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Local militias, ironically, Misrata militias are some of the most

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notorious in the country. They have refused to leave Tripoli. Several

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of the Misrata militias. Human rights organisations, American and

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Western organisations have accused the militias in particular, Misrata,

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of torturing hundreds if not thousands of the former regime

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suspects. Some of the suspects also have been killed. But the biggest

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question, the biggest challenge facing Libya is to basically

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establish a unified government, to create unity out of the multiple

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local identities. You have Misrata, Ben gauze yay, Tripoli, this is --

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Benghazi, Tripoli, this is, they have a long way to go. Will that

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happen? It will take a long time. This is the first step in a one-

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A sudden thaw has sent blocks of ice down the Danube river,

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destroying boats and floating restaurants in Belgrade. Debris was

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scattered through the ice for more than a mile. Many boats were sunk

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while others were left stranded on the river bank. At least 20 people

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have died in Serbia during the recent cold snap.

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Movement on the Danube at last. After over a week off a big freeze

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on much of the river, a rise in temperatures over the weekend has

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caused at the thaw. But it was so sudden that it brought large chunks

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of ice, some of them 30 centimetres thick, crashing into hundreds of

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boats. Temperatures in Serbia rose from minus 20 Celsius last week to

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10 degrees on Sunday. TRANSLATION: Nobody expected that

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this could happen. It started suddenly and this is it.

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We had not seen weather like this in a long time. People were relaxed.

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The boats stayed there. The icebreakers did not remove the ice

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on time. The floating ice also snapped and

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broke her ankle lines. Several restaurants and bodes settled on

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the riverbanks. There was concern that the melting

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snow and ice could overflow. But the river's water levels are lower

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than normal because of a drought last year. This has made flooding

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unlikely. Polio is one of the world's oldest

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and most crippling diseases. Scientists now think they could be

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close to eradicating it. The virus, causing paralysis, affects mainly

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children under five. India has been free of polio for over a year

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thanks to a programme. A correspondent has been in Delhi.

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Just two drops his all it takes to prevent polio. Now imagine

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repeating that 170 million tines, tracking down every young child

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across India. Then you begin to get an idea of what it has taken to get

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rid of polio here. The mark on the finger shows they have received the

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vaccine. What has been achieved is

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remarkable. In the used to have more polio cases than anywhere else.

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But political will, resources and dedication have finally wiped it

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out. The volunteers here are from

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Britain, members of Rotary, a network of professionals. Rotary

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has been at the forefront of the fight against polio for a

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generation. They have raised money and awareness.

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My dream is to have a polio free world. We have done it with

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smallpox. We are very close now. We are on the last days, I hope.

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nurse and I bet to make babies daily. Coming here and doing this

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is just an extension of that. I love people and I want to seek help

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the children. This hospital still has a backlog

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of patients paralysed by the virus. He will have four operations...

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This by caught polio as a baby. He will need many surgeries before he

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can walk. It is painful to see the suffering.

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It is painful to see everybody so far around it. If the world can be

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rid of polio, it will be the greatest thing I can dream up for

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stud polio used to spread pm through raw sewage and water, but

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the virus has disappeared because enough people are protected.

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India has shown eradication is possible. But the war is not won

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yet. India's polio Free staters is under

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threat. Pakistan and Afghanistan and Nigeria all saw an increase in

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cases last year. This virus respects no borders. That is why it

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is vital that massive immunisation campaigns like this continue until

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every child in every country is protected.

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Poorly run immunisation programmes and families who refuse the vaccine

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are what is preventing those countries from matching India's

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success. It will take unswerving commitment of the sort seen here if

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this disabling disease is to be consigned to history.

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Now, we usually think of burgers as a cheap, fast food - but what is

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the environmental cost? One Dutch scientist has spent thousands of

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Euros on creating a burger in a test-tube, created entirely from

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artificial meat grown from stem cells. Are signs correspondent has

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more on this Petri dish of the day. This is a strip of muscle grown

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from a stem cell taken from a cow. In a few months, it will be part of

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the world's burst synthetic hamburger. The strip is one of

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thousands grown in a laboratory in the Netherlands. Researchers plan

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to make these strips with layers of fat to produce the most expensive

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and high tech fast-food meal in the history of the world. For now,

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though, the scientist behind the project will have to make do with

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today's fast food. He is in Vancouver at a scientific meeting

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to sell his vision of the future. My dream is to produce meat that

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tastes and looks exactly like this. You will not be able to distinguish

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it from the livestock meet. But you know now that it is produced in a

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very animal friendly and whizz off friendly way.

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Stem cells can be taken from -- and resource friendly wave.

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Stem cells can be taken from the real thing.

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So what do they think of the plan at this store in Vancouver? I don't

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think it is a good idea. Why is that? It just does not make sense

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to me. There's nothing better than natural meat. That is what we have

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been raised on our whole lives. We know where the farming comes from,

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who is processing it for us. But in the future, that natural

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meat could become too expensive. Buying meat in supermarkets is

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something that we take for granted nowadays. But not for much longer,

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according to some economists. They believe that because of rising

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demand from India and China, meat prices are set to soar. Most of us

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will not be able to afford it. We have about 1 billion people who

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are undernourished on the planet. As we push it towards 9 billion

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people by 2050, we will need to produce more food. Right now, there

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are a number of countries that are developing, and as their economic

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situation improves, they demand for meat improves.

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This professor hopes the technology will one day help to feed an ever

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growing and increasingly hungry world.

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Let's talk to Tim Lang, the best of Food Policy at City University in

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London. -- Professor of Food Policy. Is the solution to the growing

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world appellation here? I noticed that the doctor called it

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his dream. You could call it a dream for some and a nightmare for

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others. We need to undertake this. It is clearly very amazing

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technology, but let's not get too excited. This is a mystery funder.

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We don't know who it is who has put up a course of a million Euros, a

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large amount of money. -- a quarter of a million Euros. It is going to

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take months to turn this into something resembling a hamburger.

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The doctor was saying that this is about feeding the population of the

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future. Actually the problem in the world of food is about a quarter of

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humanity over eating, not under eating. There's aim -- a mild

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distribution of food. That is the question. But this raises questions

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about ethics, environmental footprints and so on. The

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fundamental issue is this this switch of power. This is a switch

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away from nature and growing as that clip said. It is about cows

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and animal growing in nature, fed by farmers being replaced by

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factories. Aren't you painting a romantic

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picture of modern farming and processed meat? This may sound an

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appetising but much of factory farming is unappetising as well.

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That is the point I'm making. This is a twist in the tale of Western

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food. To sell it as the moral case for feeding the world is frankly

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nonsense. I'm sorry, but current methods are

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unsustainable, are they not? Current methods of meet growing,

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yes. But it depends on how we do it. It is possible to have sustainable

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use of land and animals. It is equally possible to have

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unsustainable use of them. The key issue is a sustainable food system

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requires a lower footprint. That means consumers eating different.

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In this sense, this is a technical fix and a sideshow. But it raises

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lots of interesting questions. Is it important? Not really.

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