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This is BBC World News. One month after that deadly siege in Nairobi

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shopping mall, detectives discovered two more bodies, believed to be

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gunmen responsible for the attack. One of the men suspected of carrying

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out last month's attack on a shopping centre in Kenya has been

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identified as a Norwegian national. Protection from police. A group of

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leading British Muslims are threatened for attacking a video by

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Al-Shabab. We hear from one of those targeted. Also, the battle to

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contain one of the worst wildfires in a decade in the Australian state

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of New South Wales. And the ancient skull found in Georgia that is

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prompting a rethink on our early evolution.

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Four weeks after gunmen stormed the Westgate shopping mall in Nairobi,

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new details are emerging as to who was behind the attack which killed

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at least 65 people. The BBC has learned that one of the suspect has

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been identified as Hassan Dhuhulow, a Norwegian National of Somali

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origin. He was recognised in CCTV images, which show him, along with

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three other gunmen, roaming the shopping centre with guns. As the

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investigation continues in Nairobi, another three bodies were pulled

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from a burnt out section of the shopping centre. We've been told it

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is highly likely they are the remains of two attackers, while the

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third is a Kenyan soldier. The moment of sheer terror, when the

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gunmen strolled into the Westgate Maule, firing at shoppers. Men,

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women and children running for their lives down the aisles of this

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supermarket, hiding wherever they thought they'd be safe. Here, one of

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the gunmen calmly shoots a man. Another gunman returns to fire a

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second shot. Traces of bullets can be seen as shoppers cower for

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safety. Intense fear can be seen on the face is caught up in the havoc.

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Even injure children are taken away at gunpoint to be held hostage. As

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they meted out their terror, the gunman appeared totally composed.

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They also took time to lay down their guns, when it was time for

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Moslem prayers. Part of the building collapsed during the siege, in which

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at least 67 people were killed. Even now, almost four weeks on, charred

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bodies are still being found will stop the BBC has learned that during

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the past 24 hours, three bodies have been pulled out from under the

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rubble. The MP who heads the committee investigating the Westgate

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attack told me that two of the bodies were highly likely to be

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those of the gunmen. The third, he said, was probably that of a Kenyan

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soldier. Investigators believe that one of the gunman was Hassan Abdi

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Dhuhulow, a 23 a-macro man whose family fled Somalia's conflict in

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1999 and settled in Norway. A BBC investigation found out that after

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becoming radicalised, like other jihadiss, he returned to Africa to

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join the Somali militant group, Al-Shabab. It is not surprising that

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someone who lived in the West took part in the Nairobi attack. Now you

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are seeing that people from different nationalities are joining

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Al-Shabab. These are migrants, people who have left Somalia, going

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to the west, some going to America. But now you see them coming back and

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joining Al-Shabab, to wage their war against Kenya and other nations The

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Kenyan government said between ten to 15 government were inside the

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Westgate shopping mall when it was under siege. TV footage so far has

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only shown four men. It's still not clear how many were killed and how

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many escaped. We are joined on the line by an officer with Norway's

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Security Service. Can you confirm for us that one of those suspects in

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that Nairobi attack was indeed a Norwegian of Somali origin? Yes

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that is correct, based on information we had about a week

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ago. That is the reason for opening up an investigation. Are you

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actively involved in an investigation that is going on now

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in Nairobi? We have our own investigation case, trying to find

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out if there was a Norwegian involved in the attack. But during

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the investigation, we also cooperate with several police and security

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services in other countries. What would be the implications of all of

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this, the fact that one of the suspects is a Norwegian of Somali

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origin, for your counterterrorism strategy in Norway? That is a little

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hard to line out right now. As far as I know, it will be the first

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major terror attack with a Norwegian involved ever. It will open up a new

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era for us. What kind of reaction has there been to this news in

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Norway, both in the security forces and just in the wider public? This

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is a top story in Norway. It has been for about a week now. Regarding

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the Security Service, it is hard to say that we are surprised. We have

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seen a development now for the past two or three years, with more and

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more people leaving Norway to join different groups in different

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conflict areas around the world That is one of our great concerns

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for the moment. It has been for the past couple of years. But you must

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also be concerned in the Norwegian authorities that you don't want to

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in any way see a backlash against the Norwegians Somali community

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Terrorism is a crime. I don't believe that this will affect the

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quite big Somali population in Norway. I think the majority of

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Somalis and other immigrant groups in Norway consider terrorism to be a

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crime, just as we do. In the UK a number of British Muslims who spoken

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out against extremism are being protected by the police come amid

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concerns about their safety. They've been warned they could be targeted

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by members of the Somali group, Al-Shabab, after they were named in

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a video which encourages others to carry out attacks against them in

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a video which encourages others to the UK will stop in a moment, we

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will hearing from one of those targeted. First, June Kelly has

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more. Those who'd been at Friday prayers at one central London mosque

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today heard the message that terrorism has no place in Islam The

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Imam here preached that as a direct response to the news that he has

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criticised in the video -based - juiced by the Somali-based terrorist

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group, Al-Shabab. He's been visited by the police because of concerns

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for his safety, but he is defiant. I'm not worried about this death

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threat. I'm going to continue with my work, speaking against extremism

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and terrorism. I will speak for justice and fairness for everybody

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in the world. The Al-Shabab video focuses on Islamist attacks and the

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people who have spoken out against them. The Imam, here on the left, is

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one of a number of leaders criticised. Also depicted as a

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traitor to Islam is Mohammed Ansar, a film-maker and journalist.

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Mohammed Ansar has recently been filming this BBC documentary with

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the now former leader of the far-right English Defence League,

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Tommy Robinson. Tommy Robinson also appears in the Al-Shabab video. And

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now both these men have been told there is a threat to their safety.

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So what precautions has the film-maker put in place? We have had

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security people round, we've had lots of briefings. We've had to

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change locks, reinforced the security, we've had a police car

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stationed at our premises and have regular patrols checking in on us.

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We do take it seriously. In the propaganda video, a masked man

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speaks about jihadiss who have trouble from the UK to Somalia to

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fight with Al-Shabab. They were accompanied by many from London

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Liverpool, Cardiff, Bristol and Birmingham. Al-Shabab have not

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brought their fight to the UK. But the individuals he seen as targets,

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the threat they pose is being felt by some in this country. As you

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heard and just saw in the report, one of those targeted is an imam who

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is a Bangladeshi born Briton, who, as well as being an imam in London,

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is broadcast on TV channels across the UK, including the Islam Channel.

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He gave us his reaction to being named as a target by Al-Shabab. I

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don't know whether I was angry, upset or frightened. I wasn't

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frightened, for sure. I was worried about how Al-Shabab had brought down

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its fight to the streets of London. In other words, they were targeting

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individuals as well as they were making people like me a legitimate

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target for the hate propaganda. I was angry at the fact that such

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lunatics were hijacking Islam, maligning the face and putting all

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of us at risk. Most importantly destroying any prospect for

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stability and peace in the future for Somalia. I was very upset that a

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young Muslim from Britain was actually in Somalia doing that nasty

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work. It sounds like this threat to you is in no way going to act as a

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deterrent to prevent you from speaking out against extremism in

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the future. It's going to keep me constantly busy. Louder and clearer.

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I will be more vociferous in my condemnation, in my articulation of

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saying that Islam is about peace, stability, moderation. Either you

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are in it or out, there is no halfway house. Those who have done

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or perpetrate such terrible crimes, threats or attacks against people,

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they attack Islam and the Muslims as well as the civilised world. I will

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keep at it. It is not going to frighten me or silence me. It is

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going to make me more vigorous in my work. Have the police said they will

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give you any protection? They did ask but I said I don't want any

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personal protection at this stage. I don't see why I should change my

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life. One choices you hide after a threat and hope for the best, all

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you go and take it on. I wish to fight on. What about your family,

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are you putting them at risk? No, my family is very supportive of me We

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believe there is a message here I'm British, I Muslim, we are all

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together in this and we have to fight it together. I believe British

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people, as well as Muslims and non-Muslims altogether, I've been

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receiving endorsement and support from all walks of life throughout

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the day. Most members of the Dyas broke Muslim communities condemn any

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kind of islands or any acts of terror. However, give us an outline

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of how jihad -- had as defined sympathisers all over the world I

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think they do feed on the double standard from the government when it

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comes to foreign policies. On one hand they sleep with dictators, on

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the other hand they preach to the wild democracy. They orchestrate war

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in countries. Young people do find frustration and anger in it, but

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that's not a licence for people to carry out violence and extreme

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activities. There are lots of issues, but grievances don't give

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licence for anybody to break the law or take the law into their own

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hands, as well as perpetrate crimes. I gave a sermon today at my mosque.

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100% of the people who came were in support of what I said. They've all

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said, you know what, enough is enough, no more in our name. We

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would like to tell the terrorists that this is not Islamic. We will

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fight on until terrorism and any extremism that is in our communities

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is completely eradicated. Let's bring you some news now that is

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breaking from the United States President Obama has nominated Jay

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Johnson as the new head of the US Homeland Security Department. If

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confirmed, J Johnson will replace the former secretary, Janet

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polytunnel, who stepped down in September. During his time at the

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Pentagon, J Johnson worked with the defence Department. A leading member

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of the African-American community will be the new homeland security

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secretary. Police in India have arrested the crew of US owned ship

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on charges of illegally transporting and ammunition. The seamen guard

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Ohio was intercepted last Saturday. Officials say eight crew members and

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75 security guards, including six British national, have been

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detained. On land and under arrest. Indian police take almost three

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dozen men into custody in the southeastern state of Tamil Nadu.

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Eight crew members and 25 security guards were arrested. They were all

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on board a US owned ship, and now they face charges of illegally

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transporting weapons and ammunition in India's coastal waters. The

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vessel was stopped by a coastguard, relating to the presence of arms,

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ammunition and armed guards on board, without the necessary

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authorisation. The ship was intercepted by Indian authorities at

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the weekend. On board, as well as the security guards, police found

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weapons and ammunition. The ship's owner said it was an armed escort

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for merchant ships against pirates in the Indian Ocean, and that it

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only entered Indian waters to shelter from a recent cyclone. The

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arrests reflect India's sensitivity of armed merchant vessels.

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Leicester, Italian marines protecting a cargo ship shot dead

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two fishermen. They facing trial. In France, schoolchildren have again

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turned out in the streets in protest over the expulsion of an immigrant

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teenager and her family. Police used tear gas to disperse the protesters.

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It follows the deportation of a 15-year-old girl, taken by police

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from her school field trip and deported to Kosovo with her family.

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The second day of a growing student revolt against a Socialist

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government. Last year, young people flocked to the square to celebrate

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the President's election, today before battles with police,

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demanding the resignation of his Interior Minister. They accuse him

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of betraying Socialist values. At the centre of it is 15-year-old

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Leonarda Dibrani, of Roma dissent. Last week while on a school trip she

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was arrested on the bus in front of classmates and returned the same

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date to her father's native Kosovo. This is not my home, she said. My

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home is France. That is where we family live, where my teachers

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live. I do not have anything in Kosovo. Those who irritated some 45

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schools in Paris today say it is not the law they oppose, it is the blunt

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manner in which it is being applied. To stop her in the middle of her

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studies, she is 15, she is in our country. In mind of the student

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demonstrations in the 19 sixes, this kind of protest is hugely symbolic.

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If you look at the service, 70% of French people side with the hardline

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approach of the Interior Minister. It calls for the upcoming municipal

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elections, it is the far right party who lead the way. Which perhaps

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explains why it is Manuel Valls out in front, taking fire from his own

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party, while Francois Hollande is conspicuously absent from the

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debate. The debate has called for a review of Leonarda's case. The

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outcome is unlikely to heal the splits.

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Protests in Paris. Now, they are the worst bushfires for ten years in

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Australia's state of New South Wales. Firefighters have witnessed

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flames ready to 30 metres high, the smoke was even seen over the

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landmark of Sydney Harbour Bridge. It blanketed the city skyline.

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Nearly 100 wildfires have raged in the country's most populous state,

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and many are still burning. Many of the worst affected areas are in the

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Blue Mountains, 70 kilometres west of Sydney. From there, our

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correspondent reports. For a second day, much of New South

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Wales continued to burn. These are being called the worst of fires the

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state has seen for a decade. -- bushfires. Over 2000 firefighters

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battling to bring them under control for stop some, the damage has

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already been done. This is all that is left of some of the homes in a

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small community of Springwood in the Blue Mountains. This is one of the

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worst affected areas for fire, swept up through the bush which surrounds

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this small committee in probably a matter of minutes. -- small

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community. For the families who live here, they have been left with

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pretty much nothing. I heard my next-door neighbour get out, get the

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dog and a few items. Two doors down, and expulsion, a gas cylinder,

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possibly. -- an explosion. It came up pretty quick. My neighbour told

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me to get out. I had the cats in the car and I couldn't find my keys I

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left my front door open. It is a bit devastating, but it is all insured.

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We are all here, that is the main thing. Is still a pretty major

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operation going on here to try and put out the fires. We have relays of

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helicopters, coming in, sucking up water, they are going to dump that

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on the fires a few kilometres to the right of where I am standing. The

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firefighters have a bit of a window today, Ted Rogers have dropped, the

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winds are less strong and they're trying to get as many of these fires

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out before the weekend, when the temperatures are forecast to rise

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again. -- temperatures have dropped. I still has seen bigger fires than

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these, but the fact they have come so early this year, it is still

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spring here, means there are fears of a difficult and dangerous summer

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to come. Saudi Arabia has refused to take up

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its seat on the UN Security Council, despite being elected as one of the

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council's ten nonpermanent members. Saudi Arabia says the body as double

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standards and is incapable of resolving world conflicts.

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Let's take you back a bit in time, 1.8 million years ago, in fact.

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Scientists are saying that the skull discovered in Georgia suggests that

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early humans were a single species. And that would mean rethinking our

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understanding of human evolution. Researchers say the skull shares

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characteristics with early human fossils found in Africa, like a

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small brain case, large teeth and a long face. Other scientists say

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there is insufficient evidence to abandon the theory that at least

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three distinct species of human coexisted at that time. I have been

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joined by evolutionary biologist Fred Spoor. Someone who knows a

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great deal about this kind of thing. Long face, big teeth, anyway, you

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have come in with these three specimens, please tell me they are

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not real. They are not. They are replicas. I am guessing you do not

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believe in this one... These are the three skulls that represent the

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three species that we think left in Eastern Africa at the same time

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more or less in that area. -- we think left. -- lived. You are

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sticking to what you believe. The discovery of this skull is not

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impressing new coup the discovery is extremely impressive, it is the most

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complete specimen found from that area. The indication that they make

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from some analysis that these skulls should all be included in one single

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species, I think that is certainly not proven yet. The evidence is

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weak. These three skulls are the kind of free stands of how humans

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evolve and developed. -- three strands. They are slightly different

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sizes. This is the ugliest one, that was probably ancestral to this one.

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This is the same home practice, the seams PCs as the ones you get in

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Georgia. So the one like this is the one that was found. You can see the

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well-developed brow ridges. And it is a longer skull. Not so round at

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the back. Completely opposite is this skull, a very famous one, found

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in the 1970s. We know it by the name 1470. It has this very flat,

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distinctly flat face. It is the opposite. We do not think this is an

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ancestor of humans, it is a sideline. She went ancestor is often

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behave like any other mammal, not species developed, side-by-side So

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this is the ancestor of humans. Homo sapiens eventually evolved from home

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or directors. So it does not overturn our theory of how we

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evolved. I am afraid not. No to some research on some of the

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youngest humans on our planet currently. Researchers at the

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University of London launched a survey of what makes babies laugh

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and smile. He is not even four months old, but

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Dominic cannot help but laugh at his dad, who's tearing up uses of paper.

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So, what did Dominic's chuckles tell us about the infant brain?

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Researchers at the Babylab at Birkbeck College are studying the

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laughter of babies to learn more about how our understanding of the

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world develops during those first few months. Dr Caspar Addyman

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launched an online survey, which has so far been completed by more than

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600 people all around the world He thinks what babies laugh at can tell

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us a lot about what we understand. Laughter and smiles start incredibly

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early in life, which makes us think that laughter is a form of

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communication for stop that it is a way a mother and baby can

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communicate with each other well before the language of years.

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Christina and Will are some of the parents who filled in the survey.

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Charlie and Lois are seven months old. Even though they are twins

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they laugh at different things. The first time lowest smile, there were

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five weeks old. We put them together in the Moses basket and they saw

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each other. And they really had a big smile on their faces. Lois is

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very smiley, she smiles with her eyes as well. Charlie is a bit more

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serious, but he will get there. He will have a little chuckle. They

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also laugh when you play peek-a boo. They really giggle. Across all ages

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and in all countries surveyed, people are amused by the most

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favourite games. The best, nation of all the best things about laughter.

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It is the surprise, it is a nice surprise, mummy has gone away, now

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she has come back. Suddenly, -- certainly, it is very sociable. The

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doctor is still analysing the results, but it is clear that

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developing a sense of humour is part of growing up.

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Those babies, especially those twins, were so cute. Let's remind

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you of the main news. One of the men suspected of carrying

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out last month's attack on a shopping centre in Kenya has been

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identified as a Norwegian national. In a separate element, two new

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bodies pulled from the rubble are believed to be those of attackers.

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That's all from World News Today. Next it is the weather. From the,

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Zeinab Badawi, and the rest of the team, goodbye and enjoy your

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weekend. Good evening. There will be some

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sunshine this weekend, but you might have to look hard for it. There will

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also be some lustre and showers even some longer spells of rain If

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you dodge the downpours, there is some warm sunshine to come. Low

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pressure in charge at the moment. Do not expect that to change very much.

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An active set of weather funds and in some pretty heavy rain. That

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rainbow push north, setting him across Scotland. Then slowly moving

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across Scotland during the day. Some persistent rain across parts of the

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