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This is BBC News. Continuing coverage of the police raid in

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Brussels. The main developments. At least two suspects have been

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arrested in the raid, including the only known surviving gunman from

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last year's Terrace attacks in Paris, in which 130 people died.

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This is the moment that Belgian special Armed Forces began the raid

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on the property. Salah Abdeslam was arrested after being shot and

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wounded. He has been on the run since the Paris attacks in November.

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More explosions in the district have been heard tonight as police hunt

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for more suspects who fled the scene. This is the live in the

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Belgian capital where police have sealed off the area where the raid

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took place. There are reports of more arrests.

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Hello and welcome to BBC News. Anti-terror police in the Belgian

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capital of Brussels say they have arrested three people, including the

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main suspect in the Paris attacks last November. Sal Abdeslam was

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detained after anti-terror police carried out a raid in the Mullen

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back area of the city, during which shots were fired.

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Abdeslam, 26, has been on the run since November. It is believed he

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played a key role in the attacks last November which killed 130

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people. Media are reporting police have also captured two other

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suspects. As ambulances were heading to the

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scene, police sources here in Brussels were already saying they

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had got their man. Sal Abdeslam, the prime suspect in the Paris attacks,

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sources said shot in the leg and in custody. Filmed by an eyewitness,

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police amassing as they hunted him. It was mid afternoon in a Molenbeek

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area of Brussels. Dozens of units descended. There was gunfire. One

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witness said he saw a man being chased down the road, shot and then

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falling. For Belgian police, this seems to have been a considerable

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success. Sal Abdeslam, the prime suspect from the Paris attacks,

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wounded in the leg and then the teams arrested at the top of this

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street, following these police investigations that have been going

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on since the Paris attacks, which have traced to this location.

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Belgian's Prime Minister Charles Michel rushed out of the summit of

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European leaders taking place across town to be briefed on the operation.

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He and Francis Holland were briefed on the situation. Sal Abdeslam has

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evaded police since November. Prosecutors say he was a key player

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in the Paris attacks. Earlier this week, his fingers were found after

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police raid this house in Brussels. It is thought he may have escaped

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out of a back window as another man fired at offices to give them pinned

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down. Police were on his trail and closing in, the neighbours had no

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idea he had been in the house. I opened my door to pick up my son at

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school and I heard a lot of policeman yelling at me, go home, go

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home, go home. Actually, this shooting had just happened, the

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first one, and the operation was happening just in front of me and we

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didn't realise. Sal Abdeslam has been taken to hospital to be treated

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for his ruins. No officers were injured in the operation. After

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months of painstaking, this was a success for the police, but it has

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also raised tensions in Molenbeek this evening. Riot police were

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brought in to deal with groups drawn in by the presence of so many

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officers on the streets. Hopefully we will be talking to

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Damien later in Mullen -- Molenbeek, but let's cross

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Damien later in Mullen -- Molenbeek, bring us up to speed with where we

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are now. In the last bring us up to speed with where we

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reports of more bring us up to speed with where we

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streets of Molenbeek and also local media reports of further arrests.

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Bell that is the situation at the moment. The operation does seem to

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be ongoing. Reports of explosions that I believe we are not sure

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exactly what might be causing them. We know Sal Abdeslam has been

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arrested and injured. A second man has also been arrested. He is

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another person who is wanted in relation to those attacks. Those

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reports are coming out now of a third person, possibly being

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arrested by police, and I think Damien was saying earlier that there

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were reports that police were targeting another house in the area

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where he may have been hiding from them.

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Lucy, I presume this is being covered wall-to-wall in France. This

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must come as a huge relief. The most wanted man in Europe and of course

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in France, months after those deadly attacks on November 13, has at last

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been captured. This is very big news in France. A great relief I should

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imagine for the government here. The authorities had been under enormous

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pressure to capture him. He was the key surviving suspects from those

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attacks. As such, the fact he has been captured alive and is

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potentially able to answer questions will be of enormous interest to the

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government here. The attacks still have left a real scar under Franz

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and the threat against France remains very strong. We are told the

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president has repeatedly warned it is being targeted by groups like

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Islamic State. The fact they have caught a man who can potentially

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give them valuable information about other people who might be connected

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to the network about logistics. It will be of incredible value to the

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intelligence services, who are trying to stop future attacks. The

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$64,000 question is whether he is able to tell them whether he will

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choose to. The fact he has been caught alive is a huge boost to the

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security forces in France and Belgium, who have been under

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increasing pressure to bring this opportunity to a successful

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conclusion. Lucy, there is a real sense, is there not, in France, that

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it is still a target and remains a target. It is a country on a

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heightened sense of alert. The government has already said they

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have managed to foil several attacks in the past

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few months and it is clear that France has been regularly named by

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militants he would choose to do damage towards it. Still very much a

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question of how best to of the problems of the intelligence

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agency is dealing with is that the profile of many people who have

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carried out attacks in the past year is very broad. These are not people

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who are seen as ardent Islamist militants. These are people who are

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perhaps more known to local police as petty criminals who have made the

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transition to militant Islam very, very quickly indeed. You might

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remember there was talk of the Abdeslam brothers running a

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bar, drinking alcohol, smoking cannabis, just

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shortly before they carried out these attacks in the name of radical

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Islam. It is difficult for the intelligence agency to pinpoint who

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they should follow most closely, where they should put most of their

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resources. Anything we can get -- they can get in the pursuit of

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narrowing the search will be greatly appreciated. The problem is whether

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Abdeslam will choose to talk. Indeed. Walk us through recent

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events that led us to today. Of course involving huge amounts of

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close cooperation of France and Belgium. A relationship that has not

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been without its tensions. embarrassment that some of the

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suspects managed to slip through the hands of the authorities. Sal

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Abdeslam managed to cross checkpoints into Brussels after the

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attacks and that was embarrassing for both sides. They have been

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working together, as you say, not without tensions, but they have been

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working together. The manhunt has been enormous. The resources given

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have been enormous. We found on Tuesday there was a strong lead, a

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strong sense they were on the right trail, when they found fingerprints

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belonging to Sal Abdeslam in the property in Molenbeek and also an

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exchange of gunfire with some of his presumed

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was a real sense that they were on the right trail. Having said that,

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they also found fingerprints of Sal Abdeslam in December which did not

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leave them anywhere useful. It seems they have found

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some information in that house, whether it

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they arrested there, evidence they've done inside the property

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that led them to where they are today, and they have Sal Abdeslam

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final in custody. After this intends for manhunt.

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We can speak to our reporter who was there when it took place. I was in

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the centre of Molenbeek, where the house raid was. The house that was

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rented by somebody and where Abdeslam was hiding. It is

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in the centre of Molenbeek, close to the centre of Brussels.

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really in the suburbs. It is close to the centre. What efforts were

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made to protect civilians? We could see

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people inside shops and walking along the street while this was

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happening. When they raided the house worth Sal Abdeslam was hiding,

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they had made a safety zone around the house and people were

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-- Salah Abdeslam. The raids continued in several other places,

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several other houses. We could see special forces were entering houses

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around the neighbourhood without actually taking the civilians at a

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distance. That was a bit frightening, because you could see

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people who were trying to get to their

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houses, but then police officers would stop

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although there was not really a sign of a safety

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zone. People didn't know where to go to. Extraordinary pictures, a normal

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day in this part of the Belgian capital. These extremely heavily

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armed police out on the streets. What did you hear? There were

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reports of gunfire. What was the People were surprised and were

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wondering what the sound was and where it was coming from. People

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knew these were explosions, shootings, but they didn't really

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want to believe that this was really happening in their neighbourhood.

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People asked. They asked what is happening, why are they doing this?

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People were frightened, wondering, wanted to know what was happening,

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why they couldn't go home. That seems to be a

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bit more quiet now. People are aware about

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what is going on. They know that Salah Abdeslam is

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arrested at the moment. Things aren't more quiet now. How much of a

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relief will this be for the Belgian authorities, that this man, who has

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been on the run for all this time, is finally in custody. On the one

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hand, it is a relief because they have arrested and have him alive,

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and he might eventually speak. It is a relief but on the other hand, this

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whole operation also shows that the network is very broad, the Paris

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attacks, but attacks that are still plans to take place later on, but it

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is a relief on one hand, but it also shows that there is reason to be

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concerned and worried about what are the other plans. . How is Molenbeek

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compared with other districts which might Molenbeek has been in the

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picture as the terrorist capital of Europe. It is true that Salah

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Abdeslam has been found there. Not only is Molenbeek ablaze with these

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guys are hiding, other districts of Brussels and also Antwerp is a

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region where we find people connected to these networks. We

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can't say that is Molenbeek is the one and only centre of terror in

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Europe, not at all. In many countries across Europe, there are

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efforts being made by the authorities to have a better

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relationship with Islamic communities. What efforts are being

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made in Belgium, in Brussels in particular, to reach out to these

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groups? This is also something, last year already, after the foiled

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attacks, where they found terrorists, they were starting to

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approach the Moslem community to get a better understanding. Over the

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last year, this didn't really help a lot. Lots of talking and nothing

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really happening. After the Paris attacks, now politicians and

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activists are doing a bigger effort to understand Islam and to

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understand the community in Molenbeek and this is something we

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see. It is new, the first steps are being made. It is not at all

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finished yet, it is ongoing, but it is very important that this

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continues. We appreciate you talking to us. She was at the scene as the

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raid took place earlier in the afternoon.

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Our world affairs editor joins me now. So much focus on this

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particular suburb of Brussels. Molenbeek, a reference to its being

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the tourist capital of Europe. Something we have heard bandied

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about in the media since November 13. To what degree is this true? It

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is difficult to tell, except that we have no significant number of the

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people involved in the Paris attacks have come from that specific

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district. It is a particularly rundown area, an area which is,

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bizarrely, it seems very night. A heavy concentration of people from

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North Africa, a lot of Muslims living in that area. Not much

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connection with the rest of the city. Security officials talk about

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it as being something of a breeding ground for jihadists. As we were

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hearing just now, it is a broader problem across Belgium, but Bob what

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we know is a very large numbers of Belgians in terms of per capita have

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gone to fight in Iraq and Syria alongside so-called Islamic State

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and quite a significant number have returned to Belgium. They clearly

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have a very significant problem. As we are seeing now, the network of

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people involved in the Paris attacks seems to be broadening and

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broadening. The fact they are now saying that potentially three people

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have been detained in this latest raid, more people, and obviously the

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raids are ongoing. We have to see just quite how broad it is going to

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go, but it seems like a significant number of people involved. Everyone

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expected at the time, because it was such a sophisticated, well-planned

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attack. I think we can now see some pictures of one of these recent

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arrests that have taken place in Molenbeek. There we are. These are

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not live pictures, this is from a few hours ago. Let's listen.

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INDISTINCT SHOUTING. We are watching these pictures again

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from a few hours ago. These are pictures of one of the arrests being

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made on the streets of Molenbeek by Belgian police. We are not entirely

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sure at this stage who that particular man is that is being

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bundled into the back of that car. Let's have another watch now to see

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exactly how many men we can see. Local media is reporting that a

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third arrest has been made, but we don't know at this stage who that

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particular man is. We think now that we can see two

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separate men being arrested at this stage. This man being the first

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there in the cream, off-white hoodie, that is being put into the

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back of that lack faults like an car. Here comes the second now.

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Recent speculation is now by local media that there has been a third

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arrest. We are awaiting confirmation on that. Let's cross back to the

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live pictures now. This is the scene currently as it is in Molenbeek.

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Let's go back a couple of hours, referencing those pictures we just

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sort of valves arrests. What did you make of them? It is interesting.

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They clearly knew what they were doing, the apartments they targeted,

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they had good information. The point to bring out is that it all stems

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from earlier raid on Tuesday when one man was shot dead and two

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managed to escape. It seems that Abdeslam was one of those people.

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One we have seen being arrested just now, or the video of it, where from

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that apartment in the first rate this week. Clearly the police and

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intelligence agency had good information and knew what they were

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doing. Thank you for talking to us. Let's speak to a French security

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consultant. Thank you very much for patiently waiting to speak to us.

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How is this arrest and raid being seen in Paris? They are being seen

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as finally, after the fourth try, they have been able to capture

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Abdeslam. What is really important to say that he did not try to flee

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Belgium, he stayed there. He was hiding, but he was hiding for four

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Mons. It is important to look at the support networks, because he could

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not have gone undetected for four months a while. Security services

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will be looking closely at what is happening in Molenbeek and other

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places. On Twitter, congratulations to the Belgian authorities on the

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capture of Salah Abdeslam. How much pressure have the Belgian

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authorities been under? A lot, from the French first, because obviously

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they were close to being ridiculed for having let him go and missed him

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three times. There were reports of him being in another district of

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Brussels for three weeks undetected. They were under a lot of pressure to

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show they were competent and that they would get the job done. It

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hasn't just been down to the Belgian authorities, has it? What French

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involvement has there been? What has been decided a month ago at the

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level of the Prime Minister, between France and Belgium, was open book

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cooperation, sharing information for the first time, what we saw on

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Tuesday, a joint operation where French forces took part in the raid

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in Brussels. That is very telling about how much those two nations

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need to work together. That is assigned for the nations in Europe

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to look at this and say, if we don't stick together, then all this will

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happen time and time again. The state secretary has been tweeting,

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we've got him. Clearly, they are very pleased to have him alive. How

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important was it, as far as you are aware, that he was taken alive, even

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though possibly wounded? Hugely important, because for a lot of

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reasons. Unfortunately, we are flying blind, so to have somebody

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that actually took part in the planning, the preparation, the

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knowledge of all the different networks within Islamic State in

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Europe, is huge. What people have to remember, as well, is that,

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Abdeslam, compared to the others, got cold feet, and most probably as

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we saw through his suicide belt before leaving. He might be more

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willing to target than somebody who would have been even more of a

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hard-core radical Islamic. His ability to remain in Belgium all

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this time since those attacks in November in Paris throws up a great

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deal of questions. How surprised are you that he stayed in Europe when

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there was speculation that he had fled to Syria? Might take was, I

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wouldn't see him go to Syria for one reason only. My reasoning is that,

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if he were to rejoin the Islamic State, he would be viewed as someone

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that's decided not to go ahead with the operation. His life most

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probably have been more at risk in Syria than staying in Belgium. It

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would make sense for him to stay in Europe. The question about the

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support networks come into play. The money, logistics, people renting the

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apartments on his behalf, all this shows that Belgium is the nexus, if

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you will, of jihadist terrorism in Europe. But how likely is it that he

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has had support from the middle east, from Islamic State in Iraq or

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Syria, rather than just in Belgium? I would say that it is unlikely that

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after an operation that he took part in and fled, that he would have had

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more support from Iraq and Syria. It was the local networks, and that is

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what is really worrisome, that this ingrained radical element that I

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living in Belgium at the moment and that could help him. We will stop

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you there. We really appreciate you sharing your inside with us. We will

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speak to you again in a moment. I want to update people if you have

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just joined us, you are watching BBC News where we are following this

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raid that is still underway. An operation in the district of

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Molenbeek in the Belgian capital of Brussels. Stay with us.

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