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This is BBC World News Today, with me, Karin Giannone.


The official verdict - Flight MH17 was downed


by an anti-aircraft missile, moved into Ukraine from Russia.


The disaster in 2014 killed nearly 300 people: Russia dismisses


We cannot accept as the final truth what they have said. We have not


seen any proofs of their statement. Families of the 9/11 victims


could now take legal action against the Saudi Government


as President Obama's Also coming up: Tributes to one


of the defining figures of Middle East politics -


Israel's Shimon Peres - And English football


is in chaos as misconduct leads the national team coach to leave


after just one game. Two years after nearly 300


people were killed over the skies of eastern Ukraine,


a team of international prosecutors have provided evidence they say


shows Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 was downed by a missile


that came from Russia. In a news conference


in the Netherlands, they also narrowed down the area it was fired


from to a field in a territory And they say they've established


the identities of about 100 people Moscow and the rebel


groups reject the claims, Caught in the crossfire


of someone else's war, in busy skies that were meant


to be safe. Nearly 300 people were on Flight


MH17, 80 of them children. It was brought down


by a Russian-built missile. Both sides in the war have them,


but now criminal investigators say they are closing in


on those responsible. TRANSLATION: On the 17th of July,


Flight MH17 was shot It was brought in from


the Russian Federation territory This recreation from investigators


suggests the missile launcher crossed over the Russian border


on the morning MH17 was shot down. Here is a tapped mobile


phone call from 9:22am. An officer tells his commander,


it crossed, crossed the line. The line he is talking


about is the Russian border. There's no attempt to hide


the launcher, which is sat Lots of people took


pictures and films and put Here, it's parked up in a lay-by


in the city of Donetsk. The final destination was a farmer's


field which was near a town controlled by


Russian-backed separatists. Firing left these scorch


marks on the ground. Locals took pictures


of the smoke trail. It is then filmed


heading back to Russia. Crucially, one of its missiles


is now missing. Moscow has always fought


claims it is involved. We have been ruling out and I have


been ruling out the fact that any Russian weapons were shipped


to Ukraine, that any Russian Army members, any Russian troops


were inside Ukraine. And we are still ruling


out that possibility. Bryce Fredericks and his girlfriend,


Daisy, were on board MH17, We are not there yet,


we do not yet know the names Investigators say that they are


down to 100 suspects Even if they do eventually name


names, it is by no means certain that whoever did this will face


a court of law. Michael Bociurkiw was one


of the first people at the scene of the crash in his former role


with the Organisation For Security We can speak to him now. Welcome.


When you look at what was presented today, the linking up of the photos


and videos, they intercepted phone calls, how meticulous do you believe


this report to be? It is very meticulous, I am very struck by the


meticulousness of the forensic work. The fact that witnesses from rebel


held areas in the Ukraine came forward and talk to investigators


and they were in prison for doing that. Also, when you think about the


amount of evidence that has been retrieved from what everyone has


caught the biggest crime scene in the world, something like 35% of the


aircraft was moved back to the Netherlands, living containers of


soil and body parts. Very interesting forensic work has been


done. They found fragments of the missile in some of the bodies of the


cockpit crew in the aircraft. I am also very struck as I watched the


investigators, their confidence and baldness because if you remember


going back to those first few days, they were relatively late coming


into the Netherlands to investigate but with the access and more


determination they were able to get there and collect the evidence quite


quickly. We have this conclusive report that you see here. We have


heard this today, but then we have the reaction of Russia, simply a


refusal to accept this. They say it is politically motivated, where does


this leave things when one party will not accept the findings?


Clearly we are in the propaganda war and watching the press conference


you can see what I would call some interesting questions to the Russian


media. I expected that reaction from Russia. What came out today, saying


that the mis-sell came from the Russian Federation and was returned


there and fire from rebel held territory, that does not surprise me


or any of my colleagues. The things that the families will be looking


for is, if they're the willing contribution internationally to


solve this? They did not say specifically hoodie. The individuals


were behind this. They did not, but they said there was more work to be


done. They also said they had more than enough evidence. This is quite


surprising. It indicates to me that they can move forward with the


prosecution but one more quick thing, I have returned from Ukraine


and we heard there and the politicians from France telling us


it was time to put sanctions against Russia, that leads me to think the


political will will be present to pressure Russia to return suspect if


they can find them. We are out of time, thank you very


much. You can find more in-depth analysis


of the flight MH17 disaster on our website, that includes maps and


animations of what we know. Just head over to the BBC News website.


"The most embarrassing action by lawmakers in years" -


that's how the White House has reacted to a move to allow victims


of the 9/11 attacks on America to take legal action


It's the first time Congress has overridden President Obama's


I urge my colleagues to move swiftly and soundly to reverse this veto so


that these families can have their day in court. That is what the legal


system of this country is designed to do. These families will never get


back their loved ones. But they deserve justice.


The BBC's Barbara Plett is in Washington.


Strong words from the White House, bring us up to date as to what is


happening there and why we have got here.


Well, we have been having votes in Congress today, the Senate has voted


and the house is voting now to override a veto of a bill that would


allow the families of the 9/11 families to take Saudi Arabia to


court, alleging that the government was complicit in the 911 attacks.


This has been bubbling on for years, suspicions have been the and the


investigations have been there but the families have not been able to


take Saudi Arabia to court because of a principle called sovereign


immunity that means that foreign companies are protected from certain


lawsuits. That protects the US and is why President Obama is against


this bill. He has said it is a matter of national security and if


it becomes law then our officials are at risk overseas. We could be


taken to court, we have a lot of special operations, CIA agents, the


Nativity and lots of different countries, so it is something that


could be a risk for us, that is what he says. He has backed his director


and so on. As you heard from the congressman, the overriding feeling


in Congress is sympathy for the 911 victims and the feeling that they


deserve their day in court and Saudi Arabia is not guilty, it should not


be worried but if it is, it be prosecuted. Because of that, it


looks like this will be the first veto override for President Obama on


something he considers quite serious. The final say in the end


will be from Congress, not the President? That is correct. He can


veto a bill but Congress can override that if it gets two thirds


of the vote in both the Senate and the house. It got an overwhelming


vote in the Senate today and it seems most likely that will be the


case in the House. Thank you, Barbara, for bringing us up to date.


We will continue to update you on developments as we get them.


Now a look at some of the day's other news.


The US has threatened to end Syrian peace talks with Russia,


because of the military offensive against Aleppo.


Secretary of Sate John Kerry says he holds Russia responsible


for the situation there, including the use of


The UN Secretary-General has described what's happening as "worse


Thailand's military government has allowed a "culture of torture"


to flourish since assuming power - that's according to a new report by


It lists 74 alleged cases of torture and other ill-treatment,


including methods such as beatings and waterboarding,


The presidential debate between Hillary Clinton


and Donald Trump was watched by 84 million people on US TV -


breaking a previous record set 36 years ago.


Jimmy Carter and Ronald Reagan's debate drew


The viewing figures only count those who watched the debate on the US TV


channels that carried it live, meaning the true figure


World leaders have been paying tribute to the Israeli statesman


and Nobel Peace Prize winner, Shimon Peres, who's


He's been described as one of Israel's founding fathers,


and twice served as prime minister and later as president.


He'd been in hospital after suffering a stroke.


Israel has lost the grandfather of the nation, born before the state,


Shimon Peres was a key figure in the region,


and on the world stage, where he was celebrated


Israel's Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, among


Shimon devoted his life to our nation and to


the pursuit of peace, he set his gaze on the future,


he did so much to protect our people.


He worked to his last days for peace, and for a


There was this reaction from the US Secretary of State, John Kerry.


He dedicated his life to the cause of an Israel that would be safe


And the homeland of the Jewish people.


He was born in Poland in 1923 and came to the holy land as a child


when it was still under British rule.


He worked alongside Israel's founding father, negotiating deals


that helped the new nation become a formidable military power.


Shimon Peres was a driving force behind Israel's nuclear programme,


and a supporter of Israeli settlements on occupied


At the Israeli Parliament this evening, flags flying at half-mast,


for the last of the generation who built the state.


Shimon Peres was first elected to Parliament in 1959,


and here, at the Knesset, for decades, he helped


He held virtually every major post, and during his


long years in politics, his political views changed.


The man who was a security hawk became a champion of peace.


Shimon Peres was one of the architects of the Oslo


accords, Israel's first peace deal with the Palestinians,


What we are doing today is more than signing an agreement.


Yesterday, a dream, today, a commitment.


He shared a Nobel Prize with the late Palestinian leader,


Yasser Arafat, and the then Israeli Prime Minister,


Today he was described as a partner for peace


by the Palestinian president, Mahmoud Abbas, but others


Everybody here remembers him as the man who lost the opportunity


for real peace, by deceiving the Palestinians.


And ending up deceiving the cause of peace.


Supporters say that Shimon Peres wanted peace for the next


generation, and kept working for it until his last days.


He insisted there was no alternative.


Without him, that view may be heard less often here.


The life of President Shimon Peres mirrors the turbulent history


The BBC's chief international correspondent, Lyse Doucet,


met him three years ago as he turned 90.


You can watch her interview with Mr Peres in a special Our World


programme today on BBC World News, coming up in about


As young people around the world are targeted by extremist groups,


counter-terrorism efforts are also now focusing on youth.


This week, hundreds of young leaders are joining forces with the likes


of Kofi Annan and Bob Geldoff to try and prevent more people


It's happening at the One World Summit being held


Bjorn Ihler is a survivor of the Anders Breivik terrorist


attack which killed 77 people in Norway in 2011.


Bjorn, firstly, your experience was by a lone wolf, it's not just


terror groups being talked about here, is it?


Could you tell us what happened to you? In 2011 and was attending the


Labour youth summer camp and while I was there to meet friends and see


how they were spending their summer application in the way they are


supposed to be spent, a man named Anders Breivik came to attack the


summer camp because he was a political opposer of the policies of


integration and helping people of different backgrounds and Heidi Dem.


This was a terrible experience and we heard a lot about it in the


international news at the time. Do survive this, and you have tried to


stop it from happening again, tell us more about what you are doing in


Ottawa? I Amat the One World Summit with a union that is looking to work


towards gathering young leaders from all over the planet to create a


joint force against extremism everywhere. The experience of


extremism, your attacker was not motivated by extremist Islam but by


right-wing ideology, is there a similarity between the ways that you


would tackle both of these? There is a massive similarity between all


forms of extremism, all forms of extreme is as I understand that are


about to nine diversity and the right of difference to exist within


the community, whether that is Islamic extremism or far right


extremism, it is about eliminating those who are different from those


who are extreme in our society. Because of the similarities on that


and similarities in how people are being recruited to these movements


and how we can help people leave these movements. You went through an


experience where you survived by centimetres, the bullet missed you


by centimetres but you are still here today, do you think what you


have been through helps you give weight to this movement, to try to


stop extremism taking root in the lives of young people? I think my


experience helps to give me wait but the movement is more than about just


the survivors, it is about the fact that we all have a role to play in


fighting extremism in our communities and one of the things


that is defining about Anders Breivik is that he came from the


committee not to different to the one that I came from but we were on


the other end of this gun when he was firing at us. He had a


background that was not so different from mine and that fact that


something we should carry with us, the fact that these people are


coming from our communities and our neighbourhoods and we have to start


at home, we have to start with our own neighbourhoods to solve and


fight extremism worldwide. Thank you Bjorn Ihler, we wish you all the


best that the One World Summit in Ottawa, Canada.


One of the biggest jobs in world football is up for grabs


after Sam Allardyce was forced to step down as England's manager.


It was only a couple of months ago he said that he was "so proud"


to get the position, but after revelations


in a British newspaper, Mr Allardyce is now out of a job.


Undercover reporters from the Daily Telegraph claiming


to be businessmen recorded him giving advice on how to get around


The paper also said Allardyce - despite earning an England salary


of around $4 million - cashed in on his position to agree


in principle to a ?400,000 public-speaking deal.


Here's what happened after the undercover reporters put


Sam Allardyce has said that he regrets his comments


but he also accused the Daily Telegraph of entrapment.


It's not just an embarrassment for Allardyce - who spent only 67


days and one game in the job - but also for the Football


Association that overseas the game in England.


With me now is European football writer Paolo Bandini.


He writes for The Guardian newspaper.


Paolo Bandini, it was Alan Shearer who said when Ms Newman -- news came


out that England is now the laughing stock of world football, what do you


think about that? I think that is slightly over egging it but there is


certainly a degree of that going on in other foreign countries. We have


a tendency to look at other nations, the likes of Italy and Spain which


gets accused of cheating, we talk about the match fixing scandals that


have happened there. Certainly some Italian newspapers had quite


explicit eyebrow raising at the oasis of calm, the rich kids of


England have these problems as well. It has been noted abroad and some


people are slightly enjoying it, no doubt. Do you think that this event,


the scandal would have had the same impact in the likes of Spain or


Italy? You can look at Italy, for instance, the current president of


the Italian football Federation was elected to his position despite in


the build-up to his election making quite crass racial comments, he


talked about banana heaters and for dating Italian football. Many


Italians were shocked by this but he was still able to get his position.


Some of those people do not have the position of a moral authority to


make such a statement. -- banana heaters. The fact that the British


Premier League is regarded very highly in comparison to the national


side's performance, how does that economy develop? Sam Allardyce was


something like the 50s best played football manager in the world. It


still holds a certain attraction because of that. England is the


birthplace of football, many people will look to it. It has the richest


week by a good mile and the world. It has more money, twice the amount


of money than you next week. There is the glamour attraction and the


historical attraction to the job. But on the pitch, England national


team has not lived up to the expectations. Whenever we have the


election process for an England manager, there are always holds that


1966 will happen again. Any chance of that happening soon? It is not


because of a lack of talent, that is by foreign manager stole the show an


interest in this job. But at the moment the FA seems to want to go


back to having an English manager, that was why they chose Sam


Allardyce. There is not a whole range of options so it is not feel


like an inspiring moment to take the job and to be aiming for winning a


big trophy again. Paolo Bandini, thank you very much indeed.


Tasting regional delicacies is a well worn ritual of royal tours


and for the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge, the latest


day of their Canada tour was no different.


This time it was wine-tasting with a touch of historical culture,


as our royal correspondent Peter Hunt reports.


The Royals are learning first hand about Canada's at times


difficult relationship with its indigenous population.


One leader boycotted this event and has accused the Government


of failing to keep its promises to his people.


Popular acclaim, not politics, was on offer inside the sports


hall at this University of British Columbia campus.


The couple, who are passionate about sport, were treated


Next stop on a tour that doesn't stop for long,


a vineyard in the Okanagan Valley, where the region's food and drink


Older Royals tend not to partake in public.


Younger Royals have no such inhibitions.


Fed, watered and headed north to Canada's Yukon Territory


and a concert where the rhythm was infectious for a Duchess


who wasn't stepping on her Prince's blue suede shoes.


On this royal visit, William and Kate have seen some


of what Canada has to offer and what it is proud


of and its people are getting a chance, sometimes at close


quarters, to see the future of the Canadian monarchy.


They've swapped briefly their palace home for this vast and sparsely


Now how many of you have been taking your wedding photos


Sounds unlikely, but that's exactly what happened


Their wedding day snaps were photo-bombed, by none


The newlyweds Elizabeth and Ryan, were having pictures taken


in Central Park when the actor, out for jog, said hello.


Congratulating the couple, he even posed for pictures.


posted it on Twitter. He was invited to the deception but he could not


make it. Great memories. -- the reception.


But for now, from me, Karin Giannone, and the rest


Hello there, after some warmth today we've got gusty winds


developing overnight, anywhere from North


A deepening area of low pressure is approaching the North West


of the UK and the strongest winds by Thursday morning are likely to be


across the far North of England and into Scotland,


widely 60 mph, perhaps more than that, and a lot of showers too.


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