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Hello and welcome to The One Show with Matt Baker...

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Tonight's guest is a journalist and broadcaster with a reputation

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for butting heads with the big guns of politics.

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He's troubled Tony, grilled Gordon and given David the third degree,

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but there's one potential world leader who, sadly,

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he's never had the opportunity to trump.

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Shall we find out if he has managed to do it? Let's welcome Jeremy

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Paxman! You are back from Washington, DC. Let me tell you

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exclusively, we did not get an interview with Donald Trump. There

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are no votes in talking to a British audience, really. That's the long

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and short of it. What would you have liked to have asked him? Well, after

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that very embarrassing take the other day, I would ask him, were you

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telling the truth when you said that you grabbed women's genitals?

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Because if he answers yes, it is hugely embarrassing, and if he

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answers no... Then you are entitled to say, well, what else, we believe

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about you? So I think it's quite a good question. What did you make of

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him palming it off as locker room chat? Well, there must have been

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some lady locker room is! Well, I've snuck in! Have you?! I don't think

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we want to go down this line of questioning! I can tell you, I've

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been in a few locker room is over the years and I've never heard that

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sort of talk! Did you stay up in the early hours to watch? No, I watched

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the highlights. We are going to be talking about your new book, and

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talking about your stomping ground, Cambridge University. If you have

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seen a bloke sketching away, that is our One Show portrait artist,

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Alvarez didn't artist. -- our resident artist. When you are not

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talking, stare into the distance and we will get a beautiful profile! But

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first, terrorising gangs, not something you would expect to see

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today. Nick has been looking at what can be done to stop the biker gangs.

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There is a motorised menace on our streets. You've got quad bikes,

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superbikes, motorbikes... Communities around the country say

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they are being overrun. They write them on the pavements. People don't

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want to come out of their houses. It is not just noise or run-of-the-mill

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anti-social behaviour. They've also been linked to robberies and gun

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crime. I've come to this estate on the Wirral. Just one of many areas

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being plagued by unregistered and is driven bikes. Sheila is a community

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worker. How bad the anti-social behaviour on this estate? Very bad.

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People are really intimidated. Out of control, then? Yes. Have lives

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been put at risk at what has gone on? Yes. Somebody was out playing,

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somebody came along on a bike on the pavement, they run them over. The

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father intervened and two cars pulled up with young lads end, they

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pulled up, beat him up. So a father trying to protect his own son was

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beaten up in front of his house? Yes, in front of his own children.

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Later on, the house got attacked, they threw stones. The police say

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the attack was properly investigated but those involved declined to give

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statements. This is why people won't come forward. They are frightened of

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what will happen. Why are you coming forward? I've lived on this state

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all my life and it's my home. I shouldn't be frightened to walk the

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streets. But many here clearly do feel intimidated. This mum agreed to

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talk only if we didn't show her face. You get scared to go out. You

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get worried about... What your kids are seeing when they go out. You

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can't be found out to be reporting anything or trying to stop what they

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are doing because they will find out who you are and where you live. It

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doesn't take much for them to do it. But it seems amazing you have

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roaming gangs of kids running riot on an estate like this. We get

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ignored, we get forgotten, those of us living on the estate. And the

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wood Church state is far from unique. Police forces from Wales to

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Yorkshire have set up dedicated units to deal with the problem. This

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is the police response, seizing and crushing bikes. Superintendent Jenny

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Sim says they are working hard to stop them. Over the summer period we

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seized over 200 bikes, many of which were stolen. We've arrested nearly

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100 people and have warrants across premises across Merseyside. The

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youth who rode through this shopping centre was jailed for a year. We are

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using every resource possible to target these offenders and bring

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them to justice. Although the police say they are working hard, the

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problem hasn't gone away, and for people here, the answer to nuisance

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bikes cannot come soon enough. But could this be part of a

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solution? This track was built to keep young riders off the road. It

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was hugely popular. 2000 members. It was set up to teach youngsters to

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ride responsibly by motocross instructor Graham. They learn how to

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maintain the bikes properly, what kit to wear, how to do it with their

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ability, and it was all in a safe environment. It was brilliant. It

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was lovely. And then it stopped. Last year, Graham's police on the

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land wasn't renewed so the track had to shut. -- his lease. He thinks

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it's the wider community that has lost out. It gives kids a focus and

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it gives them self-esteem. They come, they become part of a club,

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they learn new skills. This works. Without a doubt, this works. We just

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need a suitable piece of land and we can crack on. We will do this. But

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while Graham searches for a new site, the battle against nuisance

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bikers goes on. Thank you very much. Well, A Life in

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Questions, we've just had a chat about it. In this packed career, how

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do you start crafting a book with all these different anecdotes?

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Because you say you are not much of a diarist. You've tried and failed

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at that. Well, if you live long enough and you try enough times, you

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get a decent diary out of it. You get pages and pages and pages. It

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doesn't matter if you only last until March, April on a good year!

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You know? Get enough of those and you are fine! Shall we see a young

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Jeremy? A nice picture? We think about 11 or 12. Something like that.

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A beautiful smile. Funny ears, though! Looking back, what did you

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hope for the future? What did you hope to be? I rather hoped I

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wouldn't have to play football for much longer! I used to get hacked

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quite a lot because I was quite tall and thin. So I was a bit of a

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target. No, that wasn't what I hoped. I never really had ambition.

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I just did things that seemed interesting at the time and I've

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been very lucky, and the reason I wanted to write the book is because

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a lot of funny things have happened. And I've met some amazing people. I

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don't think that stage I really had an ambition but I realised looking

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back on life, you've got to live it looking forwards but you only

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understand looking backwards. Looking backwards, I can see that,

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you know, I loved words and I love finding things out, so a career in

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journalism was a natural for me. And I would have been absolutely

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hopeless at many other careers! In fact, I was turned down for every

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other job I applied for! Well, you didn't get the first job at the BBC,

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did you? No, that's right. Very wise! You gloat, you and your locker

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room anecdotes! You start off with your childhood and the schools you

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went to and you write about the relationship with your dad, which

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has garnered quite a lot of press when people are talking about the

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book. How did you find the process of going back and revisiting your

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childhood and writing about that time? Actually, it didn't trouble

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me. I think one of the characteristics of childhood is of

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course you appreciate things much more intensely as a child than you

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ever do as an adult. Except going into a locker room, of course! But

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you do appreciate them intensely and, you know, I had a bad

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relationship with my father but then I'm not sure that my siblings have a

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much better relationship. That's for them to say, I think. I'm the one...

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This one nearest me, on the right of the picture. And then the one on the

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left became a diplomat. And the one in the middle, James, end up

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conservationist. So looking back at this life of questions, thinking

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about the line you often take with your interviews, where do you think

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that comes from? Because you say you love words and all this, that and

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the other, but that hard edge, that no-nonsense, direct approach, what

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you put that down to? Look, there's no difference between you, me, Alex

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or anyone else in this room, and is a great crowd of people here! I

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don't know why they don't have a job to do! Anyway! There's no

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difference, really. The only difference is one of opportunity,

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and I think... There's no special position that an interviewer or

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journalist has but if you have an opportunity you should down well use

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it. I think you are there on behalf of the citizen and if you ask a

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question you should get an answer to it. Everybody is school now in how

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not to answer questions and it's your job just to cut through that.

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And as many funny anecdotes, because, as you say, you've met many

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funny people, and one of them was the CEO of MNS. -- of Marks

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Spencer. Who is that?! Looks a bit like John Suchet! In a locker room!

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Just tell us what happened, because that was a bizarre lunch, wasn't it?

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It was very bizarre. I was very foolish. I shouldn't have complained

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about the quality of Marks Spencer's pants. They were better

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than many in terms of quality. They wash better! I'm glad you wash them!

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I concluded there wasn't any intrinsic problem with any brand of

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superb -- pants except that when you buy food it says best before or eat

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by, and the same should be true of pants, because once they have

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gone... Do you know how old the pants that you are wearing today?

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Well, without thinking too much, yes. You don't know how old they

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are. And because you don't know, they've gone through the wash enough

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times and they start getting ropey. I'm just loving the fact that here

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we are, sitting on The One Show with Jeremy Paxman having an in-depth

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conversation about pants! So I wrote to Stuart Rose and said I was very

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worried about Marks Spencer's reputation, and he invited me to

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lunch, and through the course of the lunch, there would be a knock on the

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door and in through the door would come a man. A bit like that but

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hairless! And he would come in and wearing -- be wearing a pair of

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briefs, and then a thong, and then boxer shorts, and all the time,

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Stuart Rose having a tremendous time saying, do feel the quality of the

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cotton! A novel experience! We already a minute over! We will have

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to move on. All will be revealed in Bass Rock, which is out now! Now,

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Jeremy might have been broadcasting for more than 40 years but another

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institution has been broadcasting for even longer. We have given Lucy

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just three minutes to sum up 70 years of Woman's Hour.

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I am at Broadcasting House about to be interviewed by a radio legend.

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This is Jenni Murray, welcoming you to Woman's Hour. Lucy joins me to

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talk about slow fashion. In 1946, as women tried to adjust back into a

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role in the home, there was appetite for a radio show just for them.

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Originally presented by a man, the show didn't immediately hit the

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right note. Well, I would like to ask all the husbands the table

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whether it is a good idea to have more than one wife. It depends on

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the wife you have already! Thankfully, perhaps, a woman soon

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took over and the show began to tackle relevant topics, including

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the two blue... I think the next item will make some of you very

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angry but these two people have chosen to cohabit rather than marry

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and they give their reasons. On Woman's Hour, it is jam, Jerusalem

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and genital warts! Sorry about the vulgarity, but that doesn't cover

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it. They continue to push boundaries and the responsibility of hosting

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fell to Sue MacGregor. I was sent to South Africa to interview Winnie

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Mandela. He was very much in jail and she was banned. That was

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famously charged because the house was raided while you were there?

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Yes. It is extremely difficult to explain to your own children the

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presence of these forces in your own home... She said, you have gone

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quite white. I said, well, yes. She said, don't worry, they do this

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every day. What was it like interviewing the Iron Lady? She came

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in quite nervous and I was surprised. She said, do you think

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they will be able to tell our voice apart? I said, I suspect so. You

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don't get to be a thriving, vigorous, enthusiastic country by

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saying to people, you make money and we will taxi. But here is a

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surprising fact. Out of almost 3.5 million weekly listeners, a third of

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them are men. Matt Smith is a football pool cost and also an avid

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woman's hour listener. -- Woman's Hour listener. Why are you

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listening? Woman's Hour? They often look for a woman point -- one's

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point of view to address topics. It's not done in an an inclusive way

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for men and what I find is with a family that includes a wife and

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daughter, late in the day when I see them, I bring up the topics I've

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heard that maybe they haven't from the programme. And they either agree

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or disagree, but it informs a talking point, which is the mark of

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a good show. What do you think is responsible for the enduring appeal

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of Woman's Hour? I think women can like to cook, don't like to cook,

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you know, the huge range of interests. And we reflect that.

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Woman's Hour has become a national institution. And 70 years old, it is

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still going strong. A very happy birthday to Woman's

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Hour, 3.5 million viewers, listeners even, not viewers!

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It is on the radio. Thurau the programme tonight Jeremy has been

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sketched by our friend here, and it's now time to find out a little

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bit more about him. He has a slightly gentler interviewing

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approach than Jeremy. Who he is sketching actress whose own image

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has made headlines. I'm Adebanji Alade,

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an artist who loves to sketch People's lives are etched onto their

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faces. When I see a face I see a story and drawing them means I can

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be part of their story. Today I'm going to draw actress Leslie Ash who

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starred in the British classic Quadra Ruffini and became a

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household name for her role in the award-winning Men Behaving Badly and

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has had roles in prime-time dramas but her career in recent years has

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been overshadowed by her appearance recently. You've always been on

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show. This must have been ingrained in new. The way we looked was always

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quite important to my mum. She was my number one fan. The way the

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public saw me is basically how I was portrayed in the press so I suppose

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I've been portrayed as being a bit silly and I've made a few mistakes.

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To be honest that's not me. I want to find a way to paint her the way I

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see her. Would you say that the press, have they been kind with you?

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It's a strange thing being papped as they say. At the beginning you

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wanted it to happen. People would come through Heathrow Airport and

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have big coats and sunglasses on and you would think, God, I want to be

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like that, you know? And then it all started in the 80s, paparazzi fever,

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they became quite invasive. Pictures didn't always look nice. They would

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always tend to want to get the picture where you didn't look very

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nice. When I sketch someone and they are talking there is something about

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what they're saying, it resonates, especially when they are very

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genuine about what they are saying. It's almost like the whole picture

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speaks to me. Would there ever be a time when you have looked into the

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mirror and you didn't like what you saw? I have tried cosmetic surgery.

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I've messed up big time. Seriously, I regret ever having anything done

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in the past. It was a really silly thing to do. And as I say, learn

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from my mistakes. In 2004 while being treated in hospital Leslie

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contracted a hospital acquired infection, MMSA. When something like

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that happens, when you are so lucky to survive, it is life changing. I

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had to start again, learning to walk. Your image was everything to

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you. Because of your business and what you did. My husband was a

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footballer and we always knew that his career would come to an end. I

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just never imagined anything would stop me becoming an actress. I just

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thought I'd picked a good one here, I can do it until I pop my clogs,

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basically. It's sort of surprised me how difficult and how brutal it was

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really that it just stopped. I think it makes you tougher. You start to

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realise that actually it's not all about you. Sometimes you just think,

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actually, just get on with it. Yeah. Just go with it, and 56-year-old

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disabled woman getting on with my life, getting on with my career.

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What is your core identity now? What would you say? Mother, that's what I

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feel I've really done well at. I'm finding it difficult with the age

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process, I have to say. It's not an easy thing to go through. My sons

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want me to grow old gracefully. OK! That's good. Which are not very

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happy about it but I will. Image was so important when I was younger

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because you just didn't know what was going to happen, you would just

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go with the Times. I never used to leave the house is my hair was

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blow-dried and sometimes now I just let it go natural, which is quite

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curly, actually. My mother had curly hair and I'm sort of like turning

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into my mother. I was very close to my mum, my mum passed away in 2000.

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You have this fear of them passing on the Batson to you, you have to

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just carry on and do your best for your kids -- bat on. Using the time

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sketching Leslie I've created a portrait of the way I see her.

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Wow. Adebanji, how long did it take for the finished painting? Close to

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16 hours. Really? Not everything was finished alive, I had to do some

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after. There is a lot in that face. You've been going 20 minutes or so

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on Jeremy. Has he got a good face to sketch? Brilliant come out of this

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world. We are talking about a sketch, not a caricature, aren't we?

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No, no, this is a sketch. The first thing is your nose. I've spent my

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whole life being told I have a huge hooter. I tell you what, those

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intricate parts of your face, I love them. I look forward to seeing it.

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We will have a look shortly. OK. Adebanji normally sketches on public

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transport a lot, on the train. What you look for in a good face? The

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light, the shade, the texture, beauty, wrinkles. It could just be

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the mood people are in. I think most Londoners are not happy going to

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work so they create a good feeling to sketch. The first one you saw is

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you in a winter hat wasn't it? When I don't have anyone to sketch I look

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at a reflection of myself in the window of the train. It is just

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addictive, I love sketching and I have to do it. We were talking

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earlier on that you don't use an eraser at all. It plays on your

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brain, go straight for pen or something you cannot eraser so your

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brain gets used to not making mistakes. We are unique and

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wonderful as human beings, so yes. I think we should reveal your work to

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Jeremy, if you are ready. I am ready. Just 20 minutes. That was

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very quick. APPLAUSE

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I tell you what, that is, yeah, isn't that wonderful. That is

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recognisable! It's definitely you! Thank you, Adebanji.

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From reading Jeremy's but we know he has struggled to find club to join

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when he was at Cambridge but if he had a head for heights he might have

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wanted to try the Ultima University challenge. Hey! Good one. Iwan

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Thomas has discovered the Night Climbers, or as we like to call it

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Posh Parkour. I'm on the trail of a secret

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society, one that was set up over 80 years ago here amongst the hallowed

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halls of Cambridge University. But they were not an underground

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organisation, they operated on a far higher plane under the cover of

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darkness. They were called The Night Climbers of Cambridge.

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Their shadowy aim was to scale the buildings and walk the rooftops of

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Cambridge in celestial splendour, inspired by a little-known book.

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Someone who knows this book intimately is Doctor Bradley

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Garratt, an academic and writer on urban exploration.

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This book is The Night Climbers of Cambridge, published in 1937. It's a

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collection of photographs and stories from about 24 Night Climbers

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over the course of 20 years. This phenomenon began because some

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students liked to go to the pub but the college locked the gates at

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10pm, so with nothing to do they discovered that the builders of

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Cambridge had plenty of natural footholds -- buildings. People would

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scale these wars just to not get into trouble? Absolutely. That looks

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worn down from people's feet. That is precisely what it is from, you

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can see along the fence all the way up to the top would be a match from

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night scaling. They suddenly got interested by what else they could

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climb. The Night Climbers wore no special clothing, apart from the odd

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tweed jacket and silk scarf. They usually would climb without ropes

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and wouldn't balk at scaling the near 100 foot high King's College

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already Deeping through midair. This is one of the most dangerous climbs

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in Cambridge, going in the drainpipe over Senate House passage and when

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you get to the top of the drainpipe jumping across the gap, called the

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Senate House leap. That is a good six foot gap. If they felt they

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would definitely break their legs and might die. The plucky Night

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Climbers liked to let people know about their exploits, and they would

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leave things in full view, Santa hats, toilet seats, underwear, and

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in 1958, this. They were engineering students so

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they basically constructed this winch and winched the van up onto

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the roof and left it there and everyone worked up in the morning

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and there was a van on top of this any house. The Night Climbers are

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still conquering the summits of Cambridge even today. The Times

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journalist used to be one of them. Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you.

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He will demonstrate a climb at the Royal Holloway College just for The

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One Show. Cambridge didn't want to play. How on earth did you get in

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tonight climbing? I got given the book by my dad. You

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are 18 at university, who wouldn't want to be part of that?

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Today Tom's best friend is this guide rope, in the interests of

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safety and the avoidance of a lawsuit he will be attached to this

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line at all times, and I know it is supposed to be a night but that's

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health and safety for you. Feeling all right? Yes, it should be fun.

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Fun? Have a good one. Jiyas. Shall I leave you to concentrate? No, it is

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OK. It is lovely. What would you like me to do now? I was just

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reading up on what you crazy lot do, you just look like him. He is using

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the drainpipe. Many of the Night Climbers became proper explorers,

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four of whom went on to summit Everest. But there is a different

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legacy to these posh pranks and it doesn't require the wearing of

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tweeds. Our modern urban explorers and death-defying rooftop climbers

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can trace their lineage back to The Night Climbers of Cambridge. Come

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on, Tom. Nearly bare. He is taking ages. Hello. Well done. Jiyas.

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Unlovely One Show flag. # No mountain high enough #

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The question is, did you ever find yourself climbing the walls of any

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building at Cambridge? I used to climb the walls but I

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never did that stuff. The furthest I got was climbing in after the gates

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had been locked. Gertje stop out! Locker room interloper! -- dirty

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stop out! It has all been revealed to night.

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11 questions will be released soon. Do you want that sketch? Thank you

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very much. Tomorrow we'll be joined by

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Jasper Carrott and Alistair McGowan.

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