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Hello and welcome to the One Show with Matt Baker and Alex Jones.

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Tonight, we're chalking up our cues and aiming for a maximum break.

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We'll be chasing your blues away when we introduce you to some

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We'll be tickled pink by comedian Sarah Pascoe.

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We'll be seeing a fake tan that will leave you green

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with envy when we meet some female body builders.

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We've also potted a great guest tonight, a snooker superstar who has

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won more professional titles than any other player.

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COMMENTATOR: That's it, the World's Snooker Champion, Steve Davis. That

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disappears. Stepping into the frame,

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it's Steve Davis. APPLAUSE. You retired last month.

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Yes, I'm near the table. We should play on these. It will be much more

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fun. More like golf. More elements. Has your retirement dawned on

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you,ing that you have left your game? As my manager said, as far as

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we were concerned you retired 10 years ago. If he was going to earn

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any money out of me from a percentage that had stopped. From

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that perspective, it's business as usual really. Super stuff.

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Also tonight, we asked for your football songs to cheer

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on England in the Euros, and you didn't disappoint.

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Here to sing us out with their anthem, Bring It Home,

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are five passionate fans called the Lockerz - with a few extra fans

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You may well recognise them. The Romford Roarers.

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The introduction of the living wage gave low paid workers something

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to cheer about last month, meaning everyone over the age of 25

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But has it actually made a difference to their wallets?

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Lucy's been to North Devon to find out.

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Plucky holidaymakers braving the unpredictable weather. It can only

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be the British seaside. Now, North Devon's district is making waves for

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another reason. Last months the Government's much heralded living

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wage came into effect across the UK. Here a much higher proportion of

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people stand to benefit than anywhere else in the country. I'm

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today introducing a new national living wage. The living wage raises

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minimum pay for over 25s to ?7.20 making the pay pacts of almost 1.5

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million people just a little bit fatter. Here it will mean one in

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three workers are earning 50p an hour more in their pay pacts with an

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estimated ?2 million boost to the local economy. Are workers and

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businesses here actually feeling any benefit? To test the water I will

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ask people to put their money with their mouth is, 50p of it anyway. I

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want people around here to vote using these piggybanks as to whether

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the living wage is, working for them. So it's a yes or a o no or it

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makes no difference. In a local cafe, chef Jodie is among those the

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living wage is supposed to help. She says her pay pact is up by ?8, but

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prices have gone up, too. We would get penalised somewhere. I knew it

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wouldn't be, here's ?7.20 you are going to get what you get. All of

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you guys will feed the money back into the local economy it will be

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healthier? No. We can't afford it. We can't shop at the local uch

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abouters, their prices have gone up. I like buying locally, but I can't

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afford it. Nursery owner Sharon employs 14 people. As a boss she

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found there are unforeseen knock-on effects? If everyone has gone above

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minimum wage, clearly you are highly qualified staff, their salaries had

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to increase in line with that. Across the country firms have been

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criticised for offsetting the extra cost of the living wage by cutting

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staff perks or overtime. Here, local fruit and veg shop assistant has

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seen his hourly rate go up in line with the living wage, there is a

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down side. How many hours were you working before the national living

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wage was brought in? 30-40 hours a week. It dropped down to 20-25. Your

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hourly rate has gone up, but you don't don't have the same number of

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hours? A lot of people I know now on several part-time jobs because

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nowhere around here can offer them a full-time position. Hairstylist

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Jenny has had a boost to her salary of almost ?20 a week. Are you

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noticing the impact? Not as such. I mean, anything is good. Any extra we

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get is better than what we have had before. It's onwards and upwards,

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isn't it? Across town cafe owner, Kaz, believes the living wage will

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benefit low pay areas like Torage. As an employer it gives people value

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in terms of the work that they do. As a business, I see it as a chain

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release so you pay people more. They will have more money to come back

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into the local community. The Government backs her view, insisting

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the living wage is good for workers and businesses alike. John is an

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economic professor at Exeter university and believes there will

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be plussing and minuses for people living here? There will be a loss of

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between 100 and 200 jobs in this area. On the other hand, 11,000

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people are going to get a pay rise. That's quite a big gain. I think the

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job losses will be fairly small. People are going to get the extra

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pay. When they start spending that pay, that will put some of the jobs

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back. So time to count up our votes. Of the 50 people we asked, 20 say it

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is working for them. 11 say it's not working for them. And a further 19

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say it's making no difference. It's early days for the living wage and

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nobody seems to quite know what its long-term impact will be. But the

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people here are hoping its benefits outweigh the costs. Extraordinary

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that. 19 out of 50 no difference. I know whachl did Lucy do with the

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money in the pots, more to the point! It's the question. Can you

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remember how much you won for your first snooker win? UK Championship,

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6,000, 1980, November. ?6,000. I bought a car. Did you What sort of

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car? A second-half, 3.5 litre Rover. It was from an Austin Maxi. You had

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to stir the gears up to find the gear. In the fine Al were you

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thinking about that car? No I didn't know my manager was going to tell me

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to buy a car when I won the ?6,000. Thinking about the prize money

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wasn't part of it. To be honest, it wasn't on my radar. I was playing

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the game I loved. Then I was in the fine Al on a professional tournament

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on TV. The money becomes irrelevant. When you're not paying for your own

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money it ease easier. When you put up your own money that a different

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story. The difference between first and second, ?175,000. You are

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buzzing in the fine Al. The most important thing is the players are

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giving it their all. The pride of winning the big trophy supersedes

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everything. That is the same for any big sporting occasion. Six world

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titles for you I did, yeah. Yeah! Six world titles! Yeah. I know. It

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could have been seven if it wasn't for a man with glasses! Old... We

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will get on to that. This is all in your autobiography called

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Interesting. One of the things we were talking about this morning in

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the meeting was this lovely relationship you had with your dad.

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You wouldn't have had a career without him, would you, a snooker

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career? No. Back in that period of time, in the 70s, entertainment in

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most ways - there wasn't a lot going on. The working-class person, the

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working guy, went down to the social club, went down the pub. My dad was

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a workingman's club person. He didn't want to drink beer he liked

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activity, darts and snooker. He couldn't let go of the darts like

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Eric Bristow. Ask him. I haven't met him. Bring him on. My father

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couldn't let go of the last dart. He gave up darts and took up snooker or

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I would have had a beer gut. You laughed. I was laughing. In the

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World Championships and you retired and BBC Sport did that wonderful

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piece I never cried. It was incredible to see your story and

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what impact you had and you were doing it for him? I followed into my

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father's footsteps. I had a relationship with my father that not

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many sons would have. He was in my corner all the time. He was my

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practice partner, my coach, my driver, back in the day. Ferrying me

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all over for junior competitions. . We were on the road together. Had a

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completely different father/son relationship if it went down another

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road, if Ied aide been interested in something completely different. It

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was a case of - when I went out to play tournaments, it wasn't just me,

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it was the team. Very strong team, my manager, best mate, Barry Hearne,

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my father and myself. Loads of friends and family around. It was a

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little core allowed in the dressing room and that was the bit where it

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mattered. What were your first impressions of Barry? He sounds like

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quite a character? A shy, retiring kind of person. Come on!

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Fortunately, at the time, he was the owner of snooker clubs. He was the

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person that allowed me to play in a competition that meant I got

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involved in the game, so to speak, and went on the road to being a

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professional. He guided my professional career and bummied me

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into turning professional earlier than my father and myself wanted. I

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was like, I'm not sure I need to win the Amateur Championship. He said,

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you have to go. The game is bigger. It's on television. He was hot to

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trot. Pushed me and my father into signing a contract. Where were you?

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Bus stop in Blackpool. Brilliant. Up against a bus stop. I was a

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professional. Put on to Pot Black. That is the way everyone used to

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watch snooker. My first match against Fred Davis. It was primed up

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for Davis v Davis. I had beaten my heroes two years later and I was

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World Champion. No time to think about the money it went ballistic.

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The game became popular on television in the 80s. The name,

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Interesting. That is a nod to Spitting Image. I owe them

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everything. I owe them my life. I didn't have a personality or a

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nickname at that time. Steve. I didn't. In took snooker you have to

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have a nickname and personality or you are nobody. Hurricane, Whirl

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Wind. A variety of different nicknames. I was Steve Davis. You

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can't get anywhere in sport any more. Spitting Image came along.

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Gave me a nickname, personality, rolled into one. From then on I was

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interesting, not boring. It was brill. A year later we had a book

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out called - How To be Really Interesting. Every page was me being

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boring, thinking I was interesting. A television programme came along

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and thought the book was a self-help book and got me on a TV programme to

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tell people how to be more interesting. What was your dad's

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thoughts He was just snooker. The rest he looked on from the side,

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ridiculous. You are getting fortune for playing snooker. It's more

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important that you hit the ball street. He was a purists. Steve's

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very Interesting book is out now. It's very much worth a read. It is.

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are about to meet Tom and Steve. One had only minutes to live, the others

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gave a life changing donation. Before diagnosis, I was fairly fit,

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did mountain biking, played five-a-side, did circa training. And

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generally enjoyed life, really. -- did circus training. I began to feel

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very ill, very tired. Just a bit concerned about what was going wrong

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in my body. They tested for myeloma, which is a blood cancer. The shock

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of being told that you have cancer, or any form of cancer, and that it

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is a terminal cancer, has a major impact on not just me but the family

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as well. Over a period of 12 months, every

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kind of chemotherapy that we tried, unfortunately, hadn't worked. I had

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basically run out of options. A stem cell transplant was the only way

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forward. Anthony Michael and had a recruit that event at my work, I

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think, one lunchtime. -- and Thiney Nolan. -- Anthony Nolan. I did a

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spit test, it took about ten minutes. I've do not have brothers

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and sisters so I knew it would have to be an unrelated match. The wonder

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is, is there anybody who matches you? I got a letter saying I was a

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much for someone, they need your help, they need your stem cell. But

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was a big relief, knowing there was somebody out there. Knowing there

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was a possibility that it would be the person that could possibly save

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my life. You are sat there donating, you can see the blood going out of

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your arm, this bag filling up with stem cells. You think that this tiny

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bag with those tiny little cells will save somebody's wife, their

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last chance, this will help them. After the transplant, you want

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things happen as quickly as possible. -- save somebody's wife.

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In my it didn't, nothing seemed to be working. I was told, basically, I

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probably had about 12 months maximum to live. I thought, this is not

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going to happen, you know? I will survive somehow. Luckily for me, my

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body started to react very shortly after that. The transplant started

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to work. Within months, I got to the point where I was in remission. It

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was probably almost a year after I donated, I got a card. On the front

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was a picture of a mountain bike. I opened it, it was from Steve. I was

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like, how did he know I liked mountain biking? I always knew that

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I wanted to try to get in contact with my donor. I wanted to thank

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them for what they had done. We promised each other that we would

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one day go on a mountain bike ride together. I was like, this will be

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brilliant. He lives in the Peak District, which is a mountain bike

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Macca, so absolutely... It is quite strange, you have not

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done anything dramatic, you have not saved somebody from a burning

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building. It is such a small act with such a big impact. There is

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always the worry every three months when I have my blood test is that

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the myeloma might come back, with new studies are beginning to show

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that younger patients are living a lot longer. I ought to be one of the

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ones. A sobering piece. Small act, a big impact.

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As Steve's story shows, stem cell donation can be a true

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lifeline and it's as easy as giving blood.

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All the details on how to donate are on our website.

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We are at the outdoors snooker table. Trick shot a king, you will

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show was something special? Not trick shot King. Because it is live,

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and there are lots of trick shots, one ball is lined up for a pocket,

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another one is there, it goes in. That I thought I would go out on a

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limb. There are five red ayes at this pocket, and one red over that

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pocket. What do you think the chances are of potting all six in

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one shot? Live on BBC One? I have not had chance to practice. Because

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it is you, the Champion of champions, I would say one in ten. I

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would say one in a hundred, but anyway... We are all here, we are

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all with you! The blood here is the theory, I will head this red, it

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will double kiss that red into the middle pocket, that will hate that

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one, not Latin, hits that are adults are going. Don't ask me how, I don't

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know. That goes across the bike, this goes across into the corner.

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The cue ball goes around three cushions and knocks that read in

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over that yellow pocket. I can't wait. The chances of this happening

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are so remote, but the theory is fantastic. We are onside. If I get

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four I am happy, five is good, six is America. Otherwise it is like the

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crucible! -- six is a miracle. Oh, so close! Oh, well. So close.

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Goodbyes that will do, we will have that! Superb.

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I have got one for you. A trick shot for you to play. I would like to

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think we can do at least one correctly in the time we have for

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the trick shot part of the show. Matt, do you play smoother? A bit of

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pool. Your highest snooker break? It always frightens me how high it is.

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I don't know, about 11. That is not good enough! Blackball, surrounded

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by six reds. I want you to pot the black in the middle pocket. Do you

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fancy this? I want you to whack that red full in the face. Very hard? On

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a scale of one to ten? Seven. Are we ready? No, you are ready. Yes! Thank

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you! Get in! Delighted with that. We will have a replay! We have the

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technology! Oh! Fantastic technique. You kept your head still, everything

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was ideal. You give Matt a task and he nails it every time.

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For the past few weeks, Esther has been mining the wisdom

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of the British public to try and solve your dilemmas.

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Tonight, she's heading to Glasgow to see how

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they would solve the problem of a particularly prejudiced friend.

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I am over the moon! At a recent get-together, a close

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friend of mine made a racist comment. I didn't confront them at

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the time, should I bring it up now? Let's see what the good people of

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Glasgow say. I have been in a similar situation,

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I did not respond at the time and I immensely regret it, I should have

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said it then and there. I would have said, that is a very rude remark

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that you just made since you were a guest in these people's house, and

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if it ruins of friendship, you obviously don't agree about the same

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things. She should talk to the friend and say, OK, what you said

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the last time was not really fair, you are not supposed to do that.

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I think you should let it go past, because we are a country of free

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speech. We should be allowed to say what we want. Where would you draw

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the line? I think is an body was swearing at being aggressive, but if

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it is just in conversation... -- I think if somebody was swearing at

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being aggressive. I would tell them. What would you say? The gulp I feel

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slightly uncomfortable, I feel you are a bit inappropriate, some of the

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things that you said at the night. Don't take it personal, I felt that

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you offended some people, a B-road them the wrong way. That is very

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sensitive, I am very impressed. You bit the bullet. If you're going to

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say something, tell them truthfully, that is what I think. Too many

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people get offended too easy. It might be a bit of banter. If the

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friend thinks it was racist, they shouldn't have said it, but some

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statements that people think are racist, other people don't think

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they are. That is this generation, different to our generation. They

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say, none, you can say that! It is not funny to be racist. Glasgow is a

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multicultural city, we do not like that sort of stuff. Do the Scots

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like the English? No excavation isn't that racist?! I am kidding, I

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had English relatives! If I was in their shoes, I would

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probably ring the person and find out what they meant. These things

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tend to build-up and build-up. You have never been in that situation? A

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couple of times. If he was offensive, it is offensive. You had

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to take it for what it is. If it was a joke, you had to laugh at things,

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otherwise what is life? We generally have the same approach.

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We often go, you can't say that! Put it out there and deal with it.

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Sometimes on the One Show! Esther is keen to hear more of your

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dilemmas, send them to the usual e-mail address and she will do the

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rest. If you need any of of the heart, our

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next guest majors be able to help. How are you supposed to describe the

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feeling of being in love using language? It does not come near the

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truth. At the beginning, I used to attempt to use analogies. People

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would say, how is it going? I would say, it is like I have always been a

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plan to, I used to be in a garden centre or a supermarket on a shelf,

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and now I am in the garden. -- ideas to be a plant. And you can say that

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to people. Comedian Sarah Pascoe joins us. You

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are talking about relationships, but we heard it was a past relationship

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that went wrong but originally got you into comedy? Yes. It was

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embarrassing, I would like to say it was a calling, but a boy broke up

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with me, he was a comic. Starting standard is quite good, you know

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where you are really heartbroken army you have all this energy and

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self-hatred, and comedy... A good avenue. You can do it in pubs and

:26:38.:26:41.

have a drink and I used to talk about him onstage, he hated it, he

:26:42.:26:45.

found it really am harassing. Wasn't the plan for you to go to Cambridge?

:26:46.:26:51.

I had an interview when I was 18, I wanted to be an actor, I wanted to

:26:52.:26:56.

be an Footlights Abbey Stephen Fry's best friend. I grew up in Essex and

:26:57.:27:02.

they said that nobody else was going to Cambridge, they said... You have

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to do prep and stuff. I said, no, my auntie said that they need more

:27:08.:27:10.

working class people. When they asked, why do you want to come to

:27:11.:27:16.

Cambridge? I said, meet Stephen Fry, be a famous actor. But they were not

:27:17.:27:21.

so keen on working class people as they said excavation it might have

:27:22.:27:25.

been their loss, because he went on to write a book. The same name as

:27:26.:27:29.

your toil, Animal. You would love this, Steve, it is about the female

:27:30.:27:37.

psyche. And the female body. Female abolition.

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It is an eye-opener. The mix of autobiography and evolutionary

:27:42.:27:45.

history works. I find it really interesting, why people behave in

:27:46.:27:49.

certain ways. Women used to look different with a tail, back in the

:27:50.:27:56.

day? That is way back in the day! Give us an example of some of the

:27:57.:28:02.

themes you are exploring? Peer bonding, that affects everyone. Why

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we fall in love, the chemicals involved and why because of having

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children... Basically, when human beings started having been a big

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brains, baby started to be borne much earlier, so they are not really

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finished baking. -- babies started to be born. Otherwise all women with

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high in childbirth. -- would die in childbirth. Speaking of childbirth,

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your mum features quite heavily. Your mum comes to see you on tour?

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She is very supportive. Doesn't she heckle you? Sometimes, she can't

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help it. I think something happens to women around menopause when they

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just go crazy. She will love that! Hopefully she is at work, no one

:28:49.:28:52.

tell my mum explanation she will just say things like, not true! Tell

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them about your dad! It is not nasty, she think she is helping and

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that is harder, she will say something and I will go, that is my

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mum, everyone is like, that is funny. Then at the end she was say,

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I got a big clap venue. Are you doing a show with her? As Latitude,

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I do lots of Q, I wanted to do something different so massive I to

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be with my mum. Both of my sisters texted me, saying, what have you

:29:25.:29:29.

done? You have Jack Whitehall tomorrow, he came on with his dad

:29:30.:29:33.

once. You could be the new Jack Whitehall and his dad. They are

:29:34.:29:38.

great. Issue following you on tour? But she is being very helpful. When

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you get more successful, people want to be around you more. Have you

:29:44.:29:48.

noticed? When I was doing amateur dramatics, no interest! I suddenly

:29:49.:29:56.

had so many friends. Sarah is on tour until the 30th of June, driven

:29:57.:30:00.

by her mum. And her book Animal: The Autobiography of A Female Body is

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out now. You might know the phrase, 'don't

:30:02.:30:03.

count your chickens'. But - get ready for this - did

:30:04.:30:05.

you know that chickens can count? To prove it, Mike's been putting

:30:06.:30:12.

them to the test with some This chimp can recognise the order

:30:13.:30:27.

of numbers. This seal can tell the difference between numbers and

:30:28.:30:32.

letters. There are plenty of animals that appear to count, especially

:30:33.:30:36.

when there's tasty treat as a reward. It may come as a surprise to

:30:37.:30:41.

discover this bird brain, the domestic chicken, is far more clever

:30:42.:30:45.

than people realise. It can do maths. With global numbers exceeding

:30:46.:30:51.

22 billion, there are more chickens in the world than any other species

:30:52.:30:57.

of domestic bird or mammal. Until recently, very little research has

:30:58.:31:03.

been done on the the intelligence of domestic fowl. Annie has been

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breeding poultry for almost a decade. You are talking to somebody

:31:09.:31:13.

who loves chickens. How intelligent are they? More intelligent than you

:31:14.:31:17.

think. They have a complex social order. Top bird, bottom bird, all

:31:18.:31:23.

the ones in the middle. Chicks can recognise 100 other different

:31:24.:31:26.

chicks. Do they recognise you, for example? I certainly hope they

:31:27.:31:31.

recognise me, I feed them every day. They see me and come running. It's

:31:32.:31:35.

much more than just about food. When birds are young they go through a

:31:36.:31:41.

process called imprinting. They learn to recognise and trust what is

:31:42.:31:45.

closest to them in the first few days of life. Usually, that's

:31:46.:31:49.

chicks, sometimes their owner. It can be an object as well. They do

:31:50.:31:54.

this because there is safety in numbers. It's this instinct to bond

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to what is near him that scientists in Italy have used to prove that

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chicks can do maths. We are going to try the same experiment with some

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specially hatched One Show chicks. We took six eggs away and hatched

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them separately. They have had little human contact. Instead they

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have had these plastic capsules as company. The theory is she should

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have imprinted or formed a bond with them. Because they are attached to

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them we should be able to use them to do sums. Joanna works on

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cognition in farm animals, especially chicken. Why do we need

:32:37.:32:45.

to prove how intelligent chickens are? As well as it being fascinating

:32:46.:32:49.

to learn about how intelligent they are, it's relevant for their

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welfare. What is special about our experiment? The experiment we are

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replicating today was done by Italian researchers. We need to see

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if they imprinted on the plastic caple Sewells. There we go. There

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are pleasure calls, Twittering noises. Let's try the experiment?

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Yes. The chick is kept in the holding box from where it can see

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two screens. It's shown every capsule before each is hidden. When

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the chick is released it should head to the screen hiding the greatest

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number of capsules. I think it's clear that chick doesn't realise the

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capsules are behind the barrier. Almost out of sight, out of mind.

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Yes. After three hours of testing the results were inconclusive. How

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would a second batch of chicks perform? Right, second time lucky.

:33:55.:34:02.

Here we go. Wow - look at that. All three of the new chicks not only

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understood that the capsules were behind the screens, but proving they

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can count repeatedly headed towards which ever screen hid the largest

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number. I have to say this chick is exceeding all expectations. Now, for

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the ultimate test. If you move capsules from behind one screen to

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the other, the chicks use maths to work out which screen now hides the

:34:26.:34:31.

largest number. Scientists have shown in repeated testing that

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chicks can ad and sub tract. There are three on its left, two on its

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right. It went to the right side. This chick doesn't have a name yet,

:34:40.:34:45.

but I'm going to call him Einstein. Having just passed his GCSE in

:34:46.:34:51.

mathematics, he's going back to join his flock. School's out! What a

:34:52.:34:59.

statement. Well, I'm not convinced. They can add and sub tract. Einstein

:35:00.:35:07.

seemed great, I don't know. Last year reindeers advicising

:35:08.:35:10.

electricity It's all happen. We might have an animal that could be

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stiff competition. We are joined by Bridget Appleby who charted the life

:35:18.:35:24.

of an intelligent animal. We are talking Koko the gorilla. She was

:35:25.:35:30.

adopted by pennying - Back in the early 70s. Why was she adopted and

:35:31.:35:36.

how did she get ownership of the gorilla People realised you could

:35:37.:35:40.

teach apes to sign. She was excited about this. That is what she wanted

:35:41.:35:47.

to do. Gorillas were thought to be stupid. Koko was in with her mother

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she was ill and taken away from her gorilla family. Penny stepped in.

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She was a graduate student and took over teaching her to sign as part of

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her PhD How did she start? Would she answer specific questions? Was there

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more of a conversation between them? It started off with simple signs.

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She would put Koko's hands into the shape she needed. She would learn to

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sign more food, drink, all the things that were her basic needs.

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She started to build the communication, didn't she? Word

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association and all sorts? Yes. At her peak she is thought to use 1,000

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words, 1,000 signs, which is huge. Penny also said she could combine

:36:37.:36:42.

words so she will use finger bracelet for ring. She was given

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brows to eat. She didn't have a sign. She invented one, eyebrows.

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It's another level of consciousness. I know that's a banana, it gets me a

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banana. We have this incredible moment here where she'ses given a

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little chart to say what kind of pet she would like next. Here we go. You

:37:12.:37:16.

tell me what kind of kidney you would like if you get another one?

:37:17.:37:22.

It looks unbelievable. Koko gorilla indicated several weeks ago she was

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ready for a new friend. She is pointing to this one.

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She would like to have another cat visit. Do visit. OK. She did go on

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to have the cat she wanted. To this day, she still has little friends.

:37:44.:37:54.

Was that dinner or... Look, look. She got cats for her birthday this

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year. What was your impression of Penny and Koko's relationship when

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you met them in California? It's an incredibly intense relationship for

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40 years they spend most of the time together in this Portakabin. It's

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mutual, they are connected in a way that probably seldom to find it with

:38:20.:38:25.

an animal and human. Did your experience tell you it's helped her

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or has it kind of complicated her existence? I think they've both had

:38:30.:38:35.

quite complicated lives. Whether or not Koko would be happier in a group

:38:36.:38:41.

of gorillas is hard to say. Back in the 70s, people were adopting apes

:38:42.:38:46.

into families. That was a norm Al thing to do. You couldn't do it now.

:38:47.:38:51.

It's hard to compare These days people feel animals should be as

:38:52.:38:55.

close to the wide as possible. Back in the 70s it was the norm Al thing

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to do. There has been a debate about animals having the same rights as

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humans. What do you feel about that? Anything which improves the

:39:06.:39:10.

conditions of apes kept in captivity is a good thing. Anyone who thinks

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about what is going on in their minds is a good thing. They are in

:39:14.:39:17.

such trouble in the wild as well for people to think about them and think

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about what they need, yeah, hopefully it will have a good

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result. Thank you so much. We look forward to seeing the documentary

:39:27.:39:29.

it's coming soon. Yeah, BBC One. Now, we've set our resident

:39:30.:39:40.

hairdresser, Michael Douglas, If he gets these styles

:39:41.:39:42.

wrong, his customers could well hit back -

:39:43.:39:45.

hard. Everyone wants to look good, right?

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That's my job after all. Today I'm meeting a group of women who have

:39:50.:39:53.

dedicated their lives to achieving a very extreme look. Welcome to the

:39:54.:39:58.

world of female body building. No, I'm not competing! Competing! These

:39:59.:40:06.

are the finals of the Are Northern Ireland Championships with more than

:40:07.:40:10.

30 women taking part in Belfast, this competition has more female

:40:11.:40:14.

competitors that any other in the country. It's not just about big

:40:15.:40:18.

biceps if you want to win here you need to present yourself in the

:40:19.:40:21.

right way. That includes their hair. Hopefully, I'll be of some use

:40:22.:40:27.

today. I have backstage access where the women are getting ready for the

:40:28.:40:32.

show later on. There are three ladies categories based on muscle

:40:33.:40:37.

size. First Emma is in the trained figure category. Would I be able to

:40:38.:40:42.

tell the difference between the catteries or would anyone look fit?

:40:43.:40:48.

You would see a difference between each category. Trained is a harder

:40:49.:40:56.

look. There is a consensus it's very masculine? There is a point where

:40:57.:41:01.

it's too much. I think you can't let yourself get to that point. For me I

:41:02.:41:07.

possibly wouldn't like to be bigger than I am now. I'm happy What do

:41:08.:41:12.

your kids think? They are Are they impressed supportive. With your

:41:13.:41:17.

muscles, do they go on - go on mum? They do it all the time - let me see

:41:18.:41:21.

your arms. Perfect. Are you happy? Love it. Thank you. If you are a

:41:22.:41:27.

bodybuilder your muscles are only as good as the skin they're in. That's

:41:28.:41:34.

professional tanner Louise is so busy today. Sara is just one of her

:41:35.:41:41.

customers. I'm glazing her for her stage appearance. It brings the tan

:41:42.:41:45.

alive. When you are out on the stage it helps define the muscles more

:41:46.:41:50.

because the light bounces off. The tan looks very much alive. It is!

:41:51.:41:56.

That tan will make-or-break the physique. Previous shows I've done

:41:57.:42:04.

the tanning myself. Judges commented your tan wasn't looking great. I

:42:05.:42:08.

used their service last week and it went well.

:42:09.:42:13.

As Sara glows under the stage lights The Body Shop keeps on going. I have

:42:14.:42:21.

a shade chart here. Where are we on here? We are like a mahogany maiden.

:42:22.:42:29.

Can I have a go? Gently pull the trigger back. Up-and-down as if you

:42:30.:42:35.

were spraying a car. That's the best way to describe. I better give it

:42:36.:42:39.

back. It's important you look your best. Who is judging these beauties?

:42:40.:42:45.

It's this guy. Brian Robinson from Durham. He knows what he's talking

:42:46.:42:50.

about as he used to be a competitor himself. So judging the girls today,

:42:51.:42:56.

what are you going to be looking for? A well balanced figure. Their

:42:57.:43:03.

bums don't wobble as they walk on the stage. Their legs are good. What

:43:04.:43:07.

about things like their hair, is that important? Well, it is

:43:08.:43:11.

important. They are ladies. They want to look as beautiful as they

:43:12.:43:15.

can. Really, with the figure they need to be trained. Look as if they

:43:16.:43:23.

are trained. You will be needed soon, are you? I will be doing the

:43:24.:43:29.

call-outs. Let me get rid of this. Take the mirror and have a look?

:43:30.:43:33.

Best haircut I've ever had. Job done. Show time! Down stairs the

:43:34.:43:37.

crowd is buzzing. Emma, whose hair I cut earlier, is

:43:38.:43:41.

doing her thing, to great success. Froms best haircut to Best Female

:43:42.:43:58.

trained figure. Emma's hard work has paid off. -- from. Could I get a

:43:59.:44:07.

lift home? That wasn't quite what I had in mind!

:44:08.:44:12.

I always go for mahogany maiden. Nice and dark. If you're going to do

:44:13.:44:17.

it, do it properly. It's the smell of it. You love it! It makes me gag.

:44:18.:44:25.

Biscuits. Anyway. We will leave that where it is. Fake tan, terrible. We

:44:26.:44:33.

will have a trip down memory lane. You pot a ball. We are getting use

:44:34.:44:38.

out of this table. I'm breaking off. I will pot a ball. No pressure. That

:44:39.:44:47.

is a fantastic shot. You left me nothing. I'm going to pot - I'm

:44:48.:44:52.

going to try and pot a ball. Sorry. I will go for the pink. Middle

:44:53.:44:59.

pocket. Oh! Very classy. Well done. You get a clip for this. The world

:45:00.:45:04.

Championships 2010. COMMENTATOR: He was the King of the

:45:05.:45:09.

80s, with six world titles. Still a force to be reckoned with now, in

:45:10.:45:12.

his 50s, ladies and gentlemen he's a legend. Question is, what happened

:45:13.:45:20.

next? I know I was there. I remember. Rob Walker, fantastic MC,

:45:21.:45:27.

fantastic inlet Olympics, he's now our man. He had a mental blank.

:45:28.:45:35.

Instead of introducing me as Steve Davis he introduced me as Dennis

:45:36.:45:44.

Taylor. My arch enemy. COMMENTATOR: It's Dennis Taylor.

:45:45.:45:46.

Steve Davis! APPLAUSE.

:45:47.:45:59.

Well handled. He was horrified. Of course he was! It happens to the

:46:00.:46:07.

best of us. It is the only mistake he has ever made in his life. Vice

:46:08.:46:13.

pot another one. The blue is there. It is going in now. A blue question,

:46:14.:46:20.

please. What a barefaced cheek helped you win the Masters in 1997?

:46:21.:46:25.

That is in my autobiography. That is on page... Fortunately for me, I was

:46:26.:46:31.

playing Ronnie O'Sullivan in the final for the Masters championship,

:46:32.:46:36.

Ronnie was destroying me, but then something brokers concentration.

:46:37.:46:43.

Which was? A streaker. It just broke the mould, all of a sudden I got

:46:44.:46:50.

back into the match. How tanned was the streaker? I was in the zone at

:46:51.:46:55.

the time, I did not even see her face, that is how much I was in

:46:56.:47:01.

bold. We talked about Barry Hearn, there is a moment in the BBC drama

:47:02.:47:06.

Rat Pack when you meet for the first time. It is Steve Davis, isn't it?

:47:07.:47:16.

Yes, very kind. Milk. Cold milk is fine. You don't drink? I like and

:47:17.:47:23.

eggnog at Christmas and... No, actually, I don't like it. How much

:47:24.:47:33.

of that is true? The Rack Pack is a drama documentary of the 80s. A

:47:34.:47:36.

little bit of poetic license. I used to have a beer, but my image was

:47:37.:47:41.

that I drank hot milk and went to bed at around 10pm. Did you have

:47:42.:47:47.

that hairstyle? Roughly, I have the picture on my phone. We will see you

:47:48.:47:56.

cheering the next film! -- see it during the next film.

:47:57.:47:57.

Snooker has always been a genteel game, but other sports can fall foul

:47:58.:48:00.

A Government select committee has recently been set up

:48:01.:48:03.

to try to tackle homophobia in sport, but here are two fans

:48:04.:48:06.

who have decided to take a stand of their own.

:48:07.:48:08.

I can tell you how anxious I feel. I don't care about anything, I just

:48:09.:48:14.

want a win. Come on, you Spurs! I have been a

:48:15.:48:19.

football fan for as long as I remember. There was something about

:48:20.:48:23.

the smell of the turf, the collective euphoria, the collective

:48:24.:48:27.

misery. You can have that info all, homophobia does not have to play a

:48:28.:48:33.

part. Two facts, Chris and Dave, eagerly anticipating the biggest

:48:34.:48:39.

north London derby in decades. Arsenal beat Spurs are something

:48:40.:48:43.

special this year. We just want to beat them. These bitterly rival fans

:48:44.:48:47.

are working together away from the field on a common cause, running

:48:48.:48:52.

their clubs' respective LGBT supporters groups. Their mission is

:48:53.:48:57.

to kick homophobia out of men's football. Every lesbian, gay,

:48:58.:49:03.

bisexual Trans person is equal to every other fan, we are campaigning

:49:04.:49:07.

to try to achieve that. Several weeks before derby Day, Chris and

:49:08.:49:13.

her co-chair Simon are holding their first-ever anti-homophobia briefing

:49:14.:49:15.

to senior stewards at White Hart Lane. The first game is called,

:49:16.:49:22.

homophobic or not. We want you to say yes or no whether it is

:49:23.:49:31.

homophobic. The referee's a gay boy! We can see you holding hands! Yes,

:49:32.:49:38.

OK. You are clear, as you know you are!

:49:39.:49:44.

I am really, really thrilled. I try not to get emotional. I love this

:49:45.:49:48.

place, the fact that we are running the session here before a game shows

:49:49.:49:52.

how seriously the club are taking it, which is amazing for me.

:49:53.:49:57.

Hearing hobo phobia will have an impact. It immediately says to you,

:49:58.:50:01.

sorry, you are not welcome -- hearing homophobia. If you are a

:50:02.:50:06.

black kid, you do not want to hear abuse about black layers. It is no

:50:07.:50:10.

different to any other type of discrimination.

:50:11.:50:14.

There is not a single out gay footballer playing for any of the 92

:50:15.:50:19.

clubs in the men's football league. We will know we have started to win

:50:20.:50:23.

the battle when a player comes out, but they will never come out of the

:50:24.:50:28.

fans do not first. Over the past three years, LGBT supporters groups

:50:29.:50:31.

have started to pop up all over the country. Leicester have got Fox's

:50:32.:50:39.

Pride, Manchester City Canal Street Blues, Pride Of Lions for West Ham,

:50:40.:50:44.

there is a Liverpool group, a Chelsea group, The Rainbow Toffees

:50:45.:50:51.

is Everton. We just like football. We are a social group, but you do

:50:52.:50:55.

not achieve change by doing it in secret. There is no better way than

:50:56.:50:59.

saying we are here and we are proud than a good, old-fashioned football

:51:00.:51:04.

banner. Premier League football club with a gay banner, saying you are

:51:05.:51:08.

welcome. It is the first time it has about happened. Not to be outdone,

:51:09.:51:15.

The Proud Lilywhites have a flag at White Hart Lane. It brings a tear to

:51:16.:51:21.

my eye. I want to see the world to see that if you are in LGBT football

:51:22.:51:25.

fan you are welcome at White Hart Lane, I think is flagged this. The

:51:26.:51:32.

Proud Lilywhites and the Gay Gooners have the full support of their

:51:33.:51:41.

clubs. I am proud that we support The Gay Gooners and London pride.

:51:42.:51:46.

There is a long way to go. We will know there is no need for an LGBT

:51:47.:51:53.

group when fans come out and nobody notices. LGBT fan groups believe we

:51:54.:51:59.

are stronger together. We work with The Gay Gooners. But on match day,

:52:00.:52:05.

the friendships go out of the window, it is about Tottenham

:52:06.:52:08.

beating Arsenal. I feel sick, nervous, anxious, but I

:52:09.:52:14.

always have hope. I always wake up at five for some reason, on days

:52:15.:52:18.

like this. It is early, everybody wants to get in, you want to the app

:52:19.:52:23.

is fear. You want to get in there, you want to... Go, Spurs! The want

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the team to know we are behind them. After 90 exhilarating minutes, the

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North London derby ended in a 2-2 draw. As the whistle blew, rivalries

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thawed, and their campaign for homophobia free football marched on.

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I cannot believe that there is not a single out gay footballer in the 92

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teams. You would think at this day and age there would be one. I was

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having a word with the football fans and they said all the stuff in that

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film, go for it. They can't hear us. Shortly, The Lockerz will be

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singing their unofficial Euro With just over two weeks

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until Euro 2016 begins, Gyles is here to have a look

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the the history behind some of the country's

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biggest football songs. Where would you like to start? How

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far would you like to go back? 1898, when my favourite composer Sir

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Edward Elgar, the man who gave us Land of Hope and Glory, as well as

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this rousing song, you gave us the first football anthem. He was a

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great fan of Wolverhampton Wanderers and he went to see a match in which

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there was a star striker of the day called Billy Malpass, who scored an

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amazing goal that day, reported the next day in a newspaper under the

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headline, banged to the leather for goal. This could be the lyric of the

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great anthem. He wrote a lovely June to go with it which, unfortunately,

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did not catch on with Bulls fans. They said it wants a twice but then

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forgot it. The oldest anthem goes back to 1905, it is Norwich City, On

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The Ball, City. # On the ball, City... That is

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really nice. It dated from the age of the music Hall in the 1890s. It

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was associated with Norwich City from 1905, the club was founded in

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1902. Written by a guy called Albert T Smith. Would they have said about

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at the matches? Yes, and they do still, but they have not much to

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sing about at the moment. Moving on to West Ham, doing rather

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better. They have one of my favourites, I'm Forever Blowing

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Bubbles. I know that one. Give him a break! You are quick

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tonight. That became popular in the 1920s, a wonderful lady called

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Dorothy Ward, a principal boy in pantomime, used to sing it. Jimmy

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Cagney, the movie star, it was sung in one of his films called Public

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Enemy, a gangster movie. It became huge, largely because they had a

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football player called Billy Bubbles Marie, I West Ham favourite. Where

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is this going? He looked like the picture of the boy in a famous

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painting called Bubbles. It is the one used on the Pears Soap advert.

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This footballer looked like him. Somebody called Bubbles? You're

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speaking to somebody with vast music knowledge. We know that you are a

:55:44.:55:49.

techno DJ? It is amazing. And you have been since 2007? I have a radio

:55:50.:55:56.

show that plays records and Phoenix FM, community radio show. And on the

:55:57.:56:03.

strength of an electronic music Festival called Block We Can invited

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us to play live. What is your big announcement about this summer?

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Basson bree. APPLAUSE

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-- Glastonbury. I will not be playing any Snooker

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Loopy. We could do a mix! Isn't that what they do?! I think so! We are

:56:29.:56:35.

just playing a record, then when that is finished but another one on.

:56:36.:56:41.

It is the new way! I want to mix with you! You guys crack on, we had

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to wrap things up. Steve's autobiography, Interesting,

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is out now and Sarah's on tour until the 30th June and her book,

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Animal: The Autobiography So, we had Northern Ireland fans

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performing for us last week and next week the Manic Street Preachers

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will be here performing With no official England

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amthem being released, we asked you to get in touch

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if you had recorded your own - In particular, Daz Sims

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for England for Glory, Adrian Cromack's Up the England,

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Daniel Gauntlett's, We are the English, and Joe Bell

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for his song Oi Roy. We've chosen one of our favourite's

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and here they are, The Lockerz, Hello, I'm Tina Daheley

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with your 90 second update. Fresh warnings about the dangers

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of so-called legal highs.

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