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'and send them tumbling down rivers and into shimmering lakes.

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'Snowdonia has beauty at every turn.'

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This is the view from the top of Mount Snowdon on a clear day.

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It's what thousands of people come to this dramatic

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corner of Wales every year hoping to see.

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I'll give you 50 minutes today, how does that sound?

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I'm not quite sure about that but we'll give it a go.

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'Anita may be miles from the sea, but, for her, surf is up.'

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'On a much more serious note, Tom's investigating

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'what the EU referendum will mean for rural Britain.'

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far-reaching consequences for our countryside,

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of the debate why they think they deserve your vote.

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SHEEP BLEAT ADAM WHISTLES

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'And down on Adam's farm, it may be a bit wet and wild,

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Great, that's them all in the pens. I'll let Peg go and have a drink,

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and then we'll get to work on these lambs.

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'Snowdonia National Park is one of Britain's largest

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'protected areas, covering more than 800 square miles.

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'It's home to the highest peak in Wales - Mount Snowdon.

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'I'm in Dolgarrog in the River Conwy Valley

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'right on the eastern edge of the park.'

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This part of the country has some of Britain's most dramatic

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and mountainous landscapes, attracting visitors all year round,

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and I'm here to check out one of its latest attractions.

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That is Surf Snowdonia, the world's first artificial surf lagoon,

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and on this gloriously sunny and dry day,

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'This extraordinary place has been built on the site of a former

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'Where some just saw a derelict wasteland, Andy Ainscough

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'and his dad Martin saw an opportunity to ride the waves.'

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The idea is insane, but just looking at it, you sort of think,

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"Well, of course this should be here."

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So why did you and your dad decide to do it?

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We're not too close from the big populations

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but we're in a beautiful part of Snowdonia,

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we've power next door from a power station,

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and surfing is probably the UK's biggest growing water sport,

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and it was something I was really passionate about,

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so we did it, and six months of development

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turned into 12 months, and then we opened in 2015.

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It is absolutely fantastic. What's the technology, then?

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We've got a big motor at one end and a return wheel at the far end,

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and it almost looks like a snowplough that

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runs between the middle and creates the wave.

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We create a wave of two metres in height every 90 seconds,

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so the same wave every time at the push of a button.

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'This old industrial site has undergone a complete transformation

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'to turn it into an ecologically sensitive surfer's paradise.'

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How much of a consideration has the environment been,

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because you are in this very spectacular part of the world?

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Yeah, this was a factory for almost 100 years,

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and when it closed in 2007, it was left derelict.

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We came in and cleaned up the land, pumped out all the oils

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and solvents, erm, completely broke up all the concrete

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and used it in our construction to make the bases for our buildings.

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Yeah, we recycled pretty much all the concrete on site.

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The water's recycled, that comes from the hydro power station,

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from the pipes down from the mountains.

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And I've noticed it's not bright blue,

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it's kind of a sandy colour underneath it.

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Yeah, we always wanted a liner to match the River Conwy.

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We're only about half a mile from the River Conwy, which is tidal,

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which is sand colour at low tide, so we had to match that.

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We're just on the edge of the National Park

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so the way this looks is sort of very important.

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Cos when you do have a look at it from up high,

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Honestly, I thought it would be somewhere like Costa Rica,

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I guess I'm going to have to give it a go at some point.

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'But before I dip my toe in the water, I want to find out

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'about something else on this site that's pretty special.'

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It's not just the surfers who are making the most of this environment.

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'The landscape and wildlife around the surf lake is also being

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'Tucked away in a quiet corner of the site is one of the habitats

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'being managed by a team from Natural Resources Wales.'

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'have been involved with the project from the start,

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'working closely with Andy to help protect the natural environment.'

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environmental considerations for this area?

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Obviously we've got the main River Conwy just over here,

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there's important mussel beds in the estuary,

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and also bathing water there as well,

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so it was really important for us to protect the water quality

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and also the biodiversity in the area.

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We've got a nature reserve next door,

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a Site of Special Scientific Interest here as well.

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And why is it important to have kept this bit of the factory?

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This part of the factory supports the lesser horseshoe bat.

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It's a very important area for the lesser horseshoe bat is

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the Conwy Valley, with a number of nationally important roosts.

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And this was used by the bats for hibernation.

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So this is an example of what they look like.

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Oh, they're so cute. Oh, they're fantastic. Aren't they?

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And what kind of environments does a lesser horseshoe bat like to be in?

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Lesser horseshoe bats like a connected landscape with

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a mosaic of habitats which includes woodlands, hedgerows, er, streams...

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Do they mind surfers? They don't mind surfers at all.

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And have you both had a go at surfing?

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Soon? You've got to! It's right there!

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A nice day today, I'm quite tempted.

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'It's great to see how this unique facility has breathed new life

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'into the region, transforming a heavily polluted industrial site

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'into a haven for wildlife and people.'

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Now, over the next few weeks, Britain will be facing arguably

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as we vote on whether to stay or leave the European Union.

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It's a choice that will be felt keenly in rural Britain,

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'From craggy fells to meandering rivers,

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'our countryside feels quintessentially British.'

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Though we are involved in the decision-making process, many of

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the levers of power that affect our farms and wildlife are pulled

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across the Channel, and have been for more than 40 years.

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'When it comes to shaping our countryside, laws drafted

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'by the European Union come a close second to the laws of nature.'

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So, in this week's programme and the next,

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we're going to look at the key issues in the EU referendum debate.

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'We'll ask the key players on both sides,

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'Prime Minister David Cameron for Britain Stronger In Europe...'

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Look, I love the British countryside,

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I think it's one of our national treasures.

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'..and from the Vote Leave campaign, Boris Johnson...'

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The countryside is absolutely central to ourselves,

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our sense of identity in this country.

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'..why backing them promises a rosier future for rural Britain.

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'to a sheep farm in his constituency of Witney in Oxfordshire.'

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So you've been connected with Oxfordshire a while,

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you got married here, obviously you've got your constituency...

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That's right. Yeah, well, I've been MP here since 2001,

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and I was brought up in West Berkshire...

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'Money is key to any business, but for some British farms,

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'subsidies from the EU are a vital lifeline.

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'Currently, under the Common Agricultural Policy,

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'or CAP, UK farmers receive nearly ?3 billion a year.'

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But through CAP, the EU decides how much of Britain's farming operates,

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and some believe the UK will be better off looking after

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its own affairs, like Norway, where the government does decide

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to subsidise its farmers, or New Zealand,

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'That's what Berkshire farmer Colin Rayner thinks,

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'and that's why he's voting to leave.'

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It's about time we should put our sovereignty

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and control of our own destiny before subsidy.

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I will not omit it, it will be three or four years of pain,

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they are so pleased they went through that pain

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cos they're stronger, and also they're independent,

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and they're brave people, and I think we can be brave.

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'should a British government support our farmers?

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When it comes to the Common Agricultural Policy,

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currently we pay more in than we get back, so if we were on our own,

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we could still support the farmers at no more cost to the public.

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Well, I think what would happen if we left the EU is it would impact

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our economy, our economy would be smaller,

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and we'd be less able to support our health service or schools

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or indeed farmers, so I think it's a bad idea to leave,

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actually the National Farmers Union, the Scottish Farmers Union,

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the Welsh Farmers Union all say we're better off in,

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currently we put more into the CAP than we get back,

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so we would have money to spend on farming even if we left the EU.

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Well, I don't think our farming simply depends on, er,

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Common Agricultural payments - they're important to farmers -

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our farming also depends on having Europe's markets open to us,

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500 million people buying our produce.

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And if you leave the EU and leave the single market,

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you lose automatic access to that market.

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You have said, "If we leave the EU, so long as I'm Prime Minister,

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I just want to get a bit more detail on that.

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Does that mean there would be financial support?

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We'd have to, if I was Prime Minister.

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As I say, I believe in the living, working countryside,

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If you ask me, "Can you tell me exactly what that will consist of?"

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No, I can't. I'm saying vote to stay in,

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keep the Common Agricultural Policy payments that we get now,

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keep Europe's markets open, let's make sure

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we keep improving the regulatory situation that we face,

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It's improved a lot over our, you know, recent lifetimes,

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but there's more to be done to improve it.

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I would worry for our farmers if we left the EU,

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because you wouldn't get automatic access to the market.

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You might well have tariffs, you might have quotas

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and our industry would suffer as a result.

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But is that not spreading a little bit of a scare on trade?

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Because they want to trade with us in farm food produce

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and there's no real reason to assume that couldn't continue?

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Well, I think the people who want us to leave

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say they want to leave the single market, they want a trade deal.

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Europe has not signed any trade deal with any country

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anywhere in the world that gives full access for farming produce.

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That's a fact. And you can't hide from...

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I think the Leave campaigners do have a real problem here.

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They don't want to stay in the single market, they've told us that,

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they want a trade deal, that would be bad for Britain's farmers.

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Why would European countries give us a better deal

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'So, the Prime Minister believes the single market is key to our future.

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'Though for many, the burden of regulation that comes with it

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'But what about one contentious subject that troubles

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'some in our rural heartlands? Migration.'

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British farming relies heavily on migrant workers from the EU.

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Some estimates say over 34,000 non-UK born workers

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'the number of migrant workers has more than trebled in ten years.

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'Some think, like independent councillor Angela Newton,

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'that this is changing many rural communities.'

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now that there's a lot more migrant workers,

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you will see a lot of Polish and Lithuanian shops,

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which is good, so there's diversity there.

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Unfortunately, some of the migrant workers

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They tend to hang about more in groups and gangs

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and that makes some of our older people,

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our local residents, more afraid to go out at night.

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If you're living in a village or a small town

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you've seen the population of your place change dramatically.

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What can you say to those people if we...about what will happen

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to their community if we stay in the EU?

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If we choose to stay in the European Union, first of all,

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the deal I've done means that people coming here from Europe to work will

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not get full access to our welfare system for four years,

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they have to pay in before they get out. I think that's very important.

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But they're not coming for welfare, they're coming to work on our farms!

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Absolutely, that's why I say the other side of it is we must

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make sure that we're investing in the apprenticeships

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and the training to get more British people to do these jobs.

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But if we look at agriculture, you know, nine out of ten people

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working in it are British and the people who do come from other

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European countries to work, you know,

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are making an important contribution.

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But it seems to me you can't really offer any comfort

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to someone who's worried about the culture of their village

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having already changed and may well change more.

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That's just going to be the way it is?

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We support people being able to live and work in

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different European countries, just as we do.

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That is part of being in the single market.

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the single market is not just trade in goods and services.

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It's the idea that actually different people, it's the...

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You can work in different countries as well.

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It's part of a package and you either stay in the package,

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which I think is the right thing to do, or you get out of the package,

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in which case, I think you've got some real economic problems.

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'So that's what the Prime Minister for the Stronger In campaign

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'thinks the future holds for the British countryside.

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'But what does the other side think?'

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Well, later on, I'll be putting those same key thoughts

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to Boris Johnson of the Vote Leave campaign.

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JOHN: 'The rugged, mountainous landscape of Snowdonia

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'And many come back time and time again.'

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One group of visitors who return here every year

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have themselves become a great attraction.

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'Ospreys are fish-eating, migratory birds of prey

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'Persecution and egg collecting wiped them out in the UK,

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'but in the 1950s, a pair started to breed in Scotland and now,

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'there are more than 200 pairs across Britain.

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'Ospreys were first seen here at Glaslyn in 2004.

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'There were protected by the RSPB until three years ago

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'when a local volunteer group, Glaslyn Wildlife, took over.

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Well, this is a great spot for ospreys, isn't it?

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because we've got the estuary for them to fish in,

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And what's the sort of idea behind all this?

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Well, the aim originally, of course, is to protect the ospreys,

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but we need to recognise that the ospreys provide a service

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They bring people to the area, they educate

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and they inspire people to get outside and enjoy themselves.

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'A good example are these local children who are helping

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'Darren Moore from Friends of the Ospreys to build a nest.

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'It'll be installed, like this one, on a pole.

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'A ready-made home for any of this year's young returning from Africa.'

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It probably needs a bit more bedding in there, kids. Yeah.

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How important do you think it is to be helping ospreys like this?

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Yeah. You're helping them not dying. Yeah.

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I think it's very important to help all type of birds, any nature.

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Cos it's very important to us and we should do more of that, I think.

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So what happens when the birds find a nest like this?

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Throughout the year, they actually add more material into the nest,

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and with that, there's too much weight in there.

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Can it fall off the tree? Easily, yeah.

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When they come back, we've actually scraped all that material out.

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They come back to a pristine nest? They do, yeah.

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Do they not wonder, "Well, we left it in a bit of a state,

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"how's it like this?" I often think of that

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and I wonder what's going through their head.

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They've just got to lay their eggs and get on with life.

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'There's a nest site just a couple of miles away.

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'And as the Welsh Mountain Railway happens rather conveniently

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'to run close by, I'm hitching a lift on one of its classic trains.'

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'The first osprey to nest at Glaslyn in 2004

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'Known as Mrs G, she and her partner Aran have a nest

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'which is protected 24/7 by Glaslyn Wildlife volunteers.'

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And you're one of the local volunteers, aren't you,

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who keeps watch on the nest? Yes. How did you get involved?

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Erm... Well, I've got a love of birds and nature

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and just decided to drop in there and offer to volunteer.

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Right, if you look straight ahead... Yeah.

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..where the tall conifers are... Yeah? ..and you'll see the perch.

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The female will be on it, on the eggs right now.

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'A batch of hidden cameras focus on the nest

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'and the pictures are carefully monitored from this caravan.

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'They're also beamed back to the visitor centre.'

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Wow, that is a fantastic shot, isn't it?

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That's the female on the nest. And there we go, we can see the eggs.

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You can see the eggs there, underneath, two of them.

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Sort of white with brown speckles. And she's... What's she doing there?

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She's just turning them. Turning them round? Yeah.

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And if you notice as well, her talons,

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that she pulls them in so that she doesn't pierce the eggs. Aw.

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And has she had many chicks? Yeah, she's had 28 chicks since 2004. Wow.

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Fearsome-looking birds, aren't they? Yeah.

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But beautiful at the same time. Stunning.

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And here comes Aran, back again. Yeah. Yeah.

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Do you think he'll take over now, on the nest? Yeah.

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He'll incubate the eggs while she stretches her wings,

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but she seems to have a lot of trust in Aran... Certainly.

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..and lets him... He gets the job. Yeah. And off she's flown now! Yeah.

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What I've been seeing here is a truly local

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and very successful wildlife conservation project which is

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aiming to protect one of our nation's most important birds

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and all of the volunteers here are determined that the ospreys,

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their ospreys, will feel at home in their valley.

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If you've been inspired by these volunteers,

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check out the BBC's Do Something Great website and do the quiz.

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You'll get personalised suggestions to help you find a volunteering

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We all love to walk through picturesque landscape

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but do we really appreciate all that we encounter?

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Well, I've come here to Snowdonia to meet an artist whose work is

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truly connected to the landscape and intended to give passers-by

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an enhanced vision of the world around them.

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'Anthony Garratt is a contemporary artist who's

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'renowned for his large-scale outdoor installations.

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'He creates these dramatic works in the landscapes where

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'He's taking on his greatest challenge to date.

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'Two paintings, High and Low, will be exhibited in two contrasting

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Anthony, how are you doing? Hi, Joe, very well, how are you?

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Good to see you. And you. This looks amazing.

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And an epic backdrop as well. It is an epic backdrop, yeah.

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You've got those beautiful mountains at the top

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and then this aggressive quarry at the bottom. It's an exciting spot.

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It's very rare to see a painting exhibited outdoors,

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and it's a unique way of seeing a painting because the weather changes

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each day, it has a life of its own, and it's open to everyone as well,

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so there's no hiding it away in a white box

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So these will be exhibited outside for how long, for weeks, for months?

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So this project is called High and Low,

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and it is going to be exhibited for about five months.

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One on the flanks of Mount Snowdon, on a lake, and this one

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is going to be hanging down in a slate cavern 500 feet underground.

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So they explore the highs and the lows of Snowdonia.

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And the heritage of the mining as well, so on Snowdon you've got

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the old copper mine, and here you've got the slate mining industry.

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I want to see you work... Yeah, get stuck in. ..so I can get paint.

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'For Anthony, it's important to use natural materials

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'connected to the landscape, such as copper and slate.'

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Perfect, there we go. I'd hang it up now, it looks great.

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Are you OK there for a couple of hours?

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Yeah, this is probably where I'm most useful, I think.

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'This painting represents the Low part of the project

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'and will be displayed in the belly of Llechwedd slate mine.

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'It's not just Anthony working on these installations.

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'He has a team of more than 20 people helping him realise

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'Anthony's other painting, High, is finished and ready to put in place.

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'We're carrying it to its final destination,

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'floating on the lake Llyn Llydaw under the shadow of Mount Snowdon.'

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This is your moving team. It is indeed.

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Hello, everyone. ALL: Hi.

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So how far has it got to go? Half a mile. Half a mile.

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'200 years ago, miners walked this track,

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'and being true to the history of the place, the team are following in

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'their footsteps, transporting the painting to its new home.'

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Brilliant, thanks very much, everyone. And we're down. Good job.

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Anthony, carrying it around there really hits home that this is

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a team effort, this isn't about a solo artist.

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The painting's a small element of the whole project.

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I mean, there's a couple of shipwrights, Mark and Loz,

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who have been designing and building this for months.

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It has taken a lot of effort from a big team, which is great.

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So the final thing is to launch a massive painting

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into the middle of a lake. Indeed. Just beneath the summit of Snowdon.

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You don't say that very often, do you? Exactly.

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I'm excited. Right. Great, let's crack on.

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'are getting ready for the launch at the water's edge.'

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So this frame here that's going to hold the canvas

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is your construction. It is, yeah. This was quite a big challenge.

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Because we had to keep it light so that it could all be carried up.

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And you've seen all the carrying that's gone on. Yeah.

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We're going to get all this lot set up by the water's edge... OK.

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..and then get ready to do some more lifting and carrying.

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Should we have a go getting it down to the lake? Yeah.

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Can we get some more help? Yeah, let's do, wave some people in.

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So now we need the painting. Oh, yeah.

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We're going to pick it up, take it down to the framework.

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And then we'll stand it up and then we'll make the rest up

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when we get there. And then who knows? Who knows, indeed?

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This is such a surreal view, looking out across this giant artwork

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and just seeing five heads around me.

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'It's taken so much effort to get to this moment,

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'It's a curious sight watching this giant canvas glide

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'across the lake, and after all the hard work, it's finally in place.'

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So, there it is. You must be very proud. Yeah, it feels amazing.

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I'm sort of fed up of looking at the painting,

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so it's quite nice to have it out there. But it looks amazing.

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And it shows it had to be that big. It's the biggest

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freestanding canvas you've ever worked on, isn't it? Yeah.

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It's huge, but it does look small. Wow.

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Well done. Thank you. Good work. Thanks for your help.

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I'm pleased that's worked out so well, it's beautiful.

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'This is a tremendous feat for Anthony and his team.

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'Throughout the coming year, these remarkable paintings will be

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'at one with Snowdonia's ever-changing conditions and light,

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'allowing the viewer to engage with both the art

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'and the landscape which inspired it.'

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TOM: 'Earlier, we heard from the Prime Minister for the

:27:15.:27:16.

Stronger In campaign on the key issues of farming, trade and

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'staying in the European Union is the best option for rural Britain.'

:27:21.:27:29.

But what do the Vote Leave campaign think about those issues?

:27:30.:27:32.

Well, I've been invited to Boris Johnson's family farm,

:27:33.:27:36.

What does it mean to you, this place?

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It's holy, it's holy, it's holy, it's a place...

:27:45.:27:46.

It's just the most beautiful, wonderful place in the world.

:27:47.:27:49.

'one of the key issues for farmers is that currently,

:27:50.:27:53.

'under the Common Agricultural Policy,

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'they receive nearly ?3 billion from the EU in subsidies

:27:56.:28:00.

'And like many, Welsh hill farmer John Davies

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'is nervous about giving that up, so he's voting to stay.'

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Being in the EU means being able to sell my lamb,

:28:11.:28:13.

being able to sell my beef without any barriers to 500 million people.

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And Common Agricultural Policy and support around that,

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and I'm not convinced we'd have that if we left.

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'So how does Boris Johnson answer those concerns?'

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will we remain, or not, a member of the single market?

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Well, we would have access to the single market,

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but we wouldn't remain part of the whole empire of EU lawmaking.

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That's a crucial point to understand. So that means that

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everything, would no longer come under the jurisdiction

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of the commission and the bubble of the European Court of Justice.

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So, if I'm a sheep farmer or a beef farmer, you know,

:28:56.:28:58.

some of those export very high percentages to the EU... Yes.

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..the moment I hear you saying we're going to get out

:29:02.:29:04.

of the single market, I'm alarmed. Well, no, you shouldn't be.

:29:05.:29:06.

The crucial thing to understand from the point of view of agriculture

:29:07.:29:10.

is that provided we'd complied, provided, you know,

:29:11.:29:13.

good to eat, they were fit and proper and healthy

:29:14.:29:18.

there'd be no difficulty at all selling in to the rest of the EU,

:29:19.:29:23.

you just wouldn't have the same burden of regulation.

:29:24.:29:28.

So, if you think about it, 94% of UK businesses

:29:29.:29:31.

Most of them are within the domestic market,

:29:32.:29:37.

but 100% have to comply with EU regulations.

:29:38.:29:40.

I know I can sell into the rest of Europe,

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just like I could sell to the farm, to the town next door... Yes.

:29:45.:29:49.

..and that is something you cannot guarantee

:29:50.:29:51.

if we get out of the single market. Well, yes, we can, because...

:29:52.:29:55.

Only if you obey all their regulations

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that they want to bring with it. Yeah, obviously,

:29:58.:29:59.

but if you want to export any kind of product to

:30:00.:30:02.

a country where they have certain rules, you're obviously going to

:30:03.:30:05.

want to make sure that that product is acceptable to that market.

:30:06.:30:09.

What some people might say is, "Well, what if they decide

:30:10.:30:12.

And that is not going to happen, in my view. Obviously, you know...

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But it's your view, you can't guarantee it.

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You've metaphorically stuck up two fingers to the rest of Europe.

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No... What makes you think they're going to play nice with us?

:30:24.:30:26.

Not two fingers, not two fingers. We love the rest of Europe. Funny

:30:27.:30:29.

way of showing it, voting to leave. No. Well, we're not leaving Europe,

:30:30.:30:32.

we're leaving the EU system. they send us about

:30:33.:30:34.

?18 billion worth of food, we pay about ?18 billion

:30:35.:30:42.

to them for their food, and we sell about ?7 billion worth

:30:43.:30:44.

to the continental Europe. So, from their point of view, what's

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not to like? It's a great deal. Can you guarantee that farmers

:30:50.:30:54.

would get the same level of subsidy after we'd left the EU

:30:55.:30:59.

as they do now? Well, I can make that guarantee,

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but people will say, well, I'm just a backbench Tory MP.

:31:03.:31:04.

All I can say is, I think any government would be mad

:31:05.:31:07.

not to make such a guarantee. It's much more important to get

:31:08.:31:11.

a guarantee and get commitments from UK government, that you can

:31:12.:31:16.

hold to account, that you can kick out of office and you can

:31:17.:31:20.

elect. And I'm saying that our point of view on the Leave camp is we want

:31:21.:31:24.

to fund and support agriculture. We've said that from

:31:25.:31:28.

day one of this campaign. But furthermore, the extra

:31:29.:31:31.

incentive for our farmers to go for Leave is getting

:31:32.:31:35.

rid of that burden. It's the form filling, it's being

:31:36.:31:38.

told that you've got to go back and do something again

:31:39.:31:42.

or you won't qualify. It's being told that

:31:43.:31:45.

if your sheep's got two teeth, it's got to be butchered

:31:46.:31:48.

in a certain way, or that, you know, you can't bury

:31:49.:31:50.

your own sheep on your own farm. 'So if we vote Leave, the claim is

:31:51.:31:58.

we can look after our own affairs.' Our rural economy relies heavily

:31:59.:32:04.

on workers from other EU countries, and flexible workforce is vital

:32:05.:32:12.

to their business. That's certainly true for

:32:13.:32:21.

Yorkshire farmer Guy Poskitt, He employs 300 staff,

:32:22.:32:24.

70% of whom are migrant workers. We rely very,

:32:25.:32:32.

very heavily on migrant labour. What that's brought

:32:33.:32:35.

to our business is we've been able to attract customers because we've

:32:36.:32:38.

then had a workforce that would If we come out, I don't get

:32:39.:32:42.

the access to labour, I've had it, because, sadly, I cannot find

:32:43.:32:46.

enough local labour to meet A number of farms in the UK

:32:47.:32:50.

are dependent on migrant labour, Yeah. Well, obviously, people who

:32:51.:32:59.

exist, who are here already under the Vienna treaty, they would have a

:33:00.:33:06.

right to be here and to work. All we're saying is in taking back

:33:07.:33:09.

control of immigration, we are saying to people, "If you want to

:33:10.:33:16.

come and work here "and contribute to the agricultural

:33:17.:33:18.

sector, fantastic. "there's got to be some sense

:33:19.:33:22.

in which we know that you're not "just arriving without any

:33:23.:33:28.

qualifications or any job." Basically, workers can come here

:33:29.:33:32.

if there is a job for them. There could continue to be

:33:33.:33:35.

an increasing number of people from the rest of the continent of

:33:36.:33:39.

Europe in Britain, even if we leave. Because there's plenty of demand

:33:40.:33:43.

for the labour. I think it would be up to the

:33:44.:33:44.

government of the day, and if the rural industry was

:33:45.:33:49.

saying, "Look, come on, "we're desperate, we can't get

:33:50.:33:51.

the crops out of the field," then of course that's an argument

:33:52.:33:54.

that people will listen to. But the great thing is, that will

:33:55.:33:56.

have gone through a democratic process of consent

:33:57.:34:01.

from the British people. 'So we've heard from both

:34:02.:34:05.

sides on issues that will impact 'the future of

:34:06.:34:09.

the British countryside.' But that's not

:34:10.:34:12.

the end of the debate. Next week, we'll look at two more

:34:13.:34:15.

issues of huge importance that So, what do the Prime Minister

:34:16.:34:19.

and Boris Johnson think about the future of our fisheries

:34:20.:34:26.

and environment? 'I'm in the Conwy Valley, on the

:34:27.:34:38.

edge of the Snowdonia National Park, 'and I'm about to try the latest way

:34:39.:34:42.

to enjoy the great outdoors. 'Jo Dennison is head

:34:43.:34:46.

coach at Surf Snowdonia, 'the perfect person to help me

:34:47.:34:49.

catch a wave.' THEY LAUGH

:34:50.:34:52.

That's why I'm here. All right, are you going to teach

:34:53.:34:57.

me? I am, yes. I'm very nervous. We're going to go through a few

:34:58.:35:00.

things before we get in the water. I'll tell you everything

:35:01.:35:04.

you need to know. Then we can catch a few waves.

:35:05.:35:06.

And I know I'm in safe hands. Come on, give me your credentials,

:35:07.:35:09.

don't be modest. Four times Welsh champion and

:35:10.:35:11.

former British champion. Good girl. That's what we like to hear. And how

:35:12.:35:14.

many years have you been surfing? I've been surfing

:35:15.:35:17.

for about 12 years now. I mean, you've probably surfed

:35:18.:35:19.

all around the world. How does this compare? This is such

:35:20.:35:21.

a great training facility. You can catch so many waves here,

:35:22.:35:24.

it's brilliant for practising. 'I've never done this before,

:35:25.:35:27.

but I'm always up for a challenge. You'll probably see a wave

:35:28.:35:37.

coming towards you. When it gets another board's

:35:38.:35:41.

length away, So, look forwards, nice, long,

:35:42.:35:43.

strong paddles, like that. And from here, I'm just

:35:44.:35:50.

going to take two steps. OK. OK, so just try it.

:35:51.:35:55.

That's not going to work! Do I look like I know

:35:56.:36:03.

what I'm doing? Oh, it's so much fun doing

:36:04.:36:08.

it in this incredible surroundings. But Adam is not faring much better

:36:09.:36:53.

down on his farm. Right, surf's up. The days are getting longer

:36:54.:37:10.

and the weather's getting warmer. We're still getting

:37:11.:37:13.

a few of these spring showers, but that's a good thing because

:37:14.:37:16.

warm, wet weather means the crops are growing really well,

:37:17.:37:19.

and there's plenty of grass. That's good for the cows

:37:20.:37:22.

that are producing milk to feed their calves,

:37:23.:37:25.

and also good for the sheep. That's one of the jobs I've

:37:26.:37:27.

got to do now. Get the flock in to find out how much weight

:37:28.:37:31.

those lambs are putting on. 'It seems only a short time ago

:37:32.:37:37.

that we were putting these lambs 'out to grass.

:37:38.:37:41.

But, 12 weeks down the line, 'and we're already looking to

:37:42.:37:44.

send some to market. 'My sheepdog, Peg,

:37:45.:37:47.

has had most of the winter off, 'but she's now keen to get

:37:48.:37:50.

reacquainted with the flock.' As soon as we put the rams

:37:51.:37:53.

in with the ewes in the autumn, we have to be really

:37:54.:37:58.

careful with the ewes because they're conceiving lambs,

:37:59.:38:00.

and if we chase them around with the dog, they could

:38:01.:38:03.

reabsorb those lambs or abort them. So the dogs get most of the winter

:38:04.:38:07.

and early spring off, and they're running around after

:38:08.:38:10.

their mothers and there's plenty of sheep jobs to be done, we're

:38:11.:38:14.

getting the dogs back into action. And Peg here is going well,

:38:15.:38:17.

although she's a little bit rusty. One of the difficulties of

:38:18.:38:23.

working a flock like this with is that the lambs don't really

:38:24.:38:33.

know what a dog is, and the ewes are incredibly

:38:34.:38:37.

protective of their lambs so they'll often face the sheepdog

:38:38.:38:40.

and try and chase them away There's quite a strong ewe here

:38:41.:38:43.

that's stamping her foot and facing up to her.

:38:44.:38:48.

A very good mother. But I want her to move on...

:38:49.:38:51.

Come-bye. Steady. ..without there being

:38:52.:38:55.

any aggression from the dog. And the lambs have got to learn what

:38:56.:39:01.

being herded by a dog is all about. It's part of their natural instinct,

:39:02.:39:04.

because deep down, at one time, wild sheep would have been

:39:05.:39:08.

chased by wolves, but they're a bit chaotic,

:39:09.:39:11.

they're like crazy teenagers 'but it's always tricky getting

:39:12.:39:15.

the flock into the handling pens. 'Luckily, my stock hand,

:39:16.:39:23.

Ellen, and her dog, Tweed, And then we'll get to work

:39:24.:39:26.

on these lambs. 'The first job is to separate

:39:27.:39:43.

the lambs from the ewes. 'It's a noisy business as

:39:44.:39:46.

the lambs don't like being 'But it'll speed things up

:39:47.:39:49.

when we start to weigh them.' These lambs are now 12 to 14 weeks

:39:50.:40:00.

old, and all this lovely wet, warm weather is meaning the grass

:40:01.:40:03.

is growing really well. And the lambs are grazing

:40:04.:40:06.

on the grass, but they're also drinking

:40:07.:40:08.

their mother's milk. so they're getting

:40:09.:40:11.

all of their mother's milk. So a big lamb like that is doing

:40:12.:40:15.

really well and growing very fast. That one, Ellen, how heavy's that?

:40:16.:40:19.

45. 45 kilos,

:40:20.:40:21.

so he's ready to go to market. The smaller ones,

:40:22.:40:24.

like this lamb here, having to share their mother's

:40:25.:40:27.

milk, because that's a twin, so it will be growing

:40:28.:40:29.

slightly slower. 'Being able to monitor the growth

:40:30.:40:34.

of each lamb means I can select 'the best animals to then breed

:40:35.:40:38.

from and better manage my flock.' Each lamb has a tag in its ear and

:40:39.:40:42.

in that tag is an electronic chip, and as it goes into the weigh

:40:43.:40:48.

scales, there's a reader on the side and the

:40:49.:40:51.

information about that lamb So when Ellen looks at it,

:40:52.:40:54.

she can tell when the lamb was born and how many grams of meat

:40:55.:41:00.

that lamb has been putting on every day, and therefore

:41:01.:41:03.

how quickly it's growing. And we're selecting lambs to

:41:04.:41:08.

breed from in the future that have these growth rates, as well

:41:09.:41:11.

as all the maternal instincts and all those sorts of things

:41:12.:41:14.

as well. So we can use this electronic book-keeping system to

:41:15.:41:17.

improve the genetics of our flock. 'Selective breeding is something

:41:18.:41:24.

we also do with our rare breeds. 'This is Commander,

:41:25.:41:30.

a-year-old Gloucester bull But before I do that, he needs

:41:31.:41:33.

to be inspected by a vet to make sure he's healthy, and then

:41:34.:41:41.

all his papers have to go to the society, with some

:41:42.:41:44.

photographs of him and his mum to make sure they think he's good

:41:45.:41:49.

enough to go as a breeding bull. The vet will be checking Commander

:41:50.:41:53.

over to make sure he's healthy. He'll be looking at his teeth,

:41:54.:41:56.

his eyes, hearing his lungs and his heart, as well as checking

:41:57.:42:00.

his markings to make sure he looks correct as a Gloucester.

:42:01.:42:03.

And then the photographs and all that information

:42:04.:42:07.

from the vet will be sent off to the Gloucester Cattle Society.

:42:08.:42:09.

And fingers crossed, he'll pass. These white bits are a bit tricky

:42:10.:42:15.

to get whiter than white, particularly seeing as

:42:16.:42:18.

this is the dirty end. And that's good. So that's one

:42:19.:42:22.

from each side, one from the back. Just got to take one from the front.

:42:23.:42:33.

And I'll print those off... COMMANDER MOOS

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..and send them to the society. I know, you look lovely,

:42:36.:42:37.

don't you, mate? I think he's quite photogenic,

:42:38.:42:39.

really. 'Photogenic he may be, but it's

:42:40.:42:45.

the vet's tests that really matter.' 'There's been a lot of time

:42:46.:42:51.

and effort gone into rearing 'but if he doesn't meet the

:42:52.:42:57.

requirements of the breed society, 'rather than being sold

:42:58.:43:02.

for breeding, 'he'll have to go for beef,

:43:03.:43:04.

which will be a real shame.' So what's your overview

:43:05.:43:08.

on the assessment of Commander? Yeah, so, all good. The checklist

:43:09.:43:10.

is fine, so he's passed. So just a case of a DNA sample now.

:43:11.:43:13.

Wonderful. So a DNA sample is just a case

:43:14.:43:16.

of pulling out a few hairs from his tail and

:43:17.:43:21.

sending them off to be tested. 'Fingers crossed, Commander

:43:22.:43:25.

will be confirmed as a genuine 'I'm in Snowdonia

:43:26.:43:30.

and the village of Llanberis. 'Its fortunes have been linked

:43:31.:43:46.

with Snowdon ever 'since the mountain railway

:43:47.:43:48.

opened 120 years ago. 'People come from all

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over the world to ride, But one day, every year,

:43:53.:43:56.

they come here to run. 'The Snowdon International Race

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brings more than 700 runners 'and supporters to Llanberis

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every July.' RACE ANNOUNCER: There's a popular

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third place. 'Ben Mounsey finished third

:44:14.:44:16.

last year 'and is one of the favourites

:44:17.:44:18.

for this year's race. 'Today, I'm going to race him

:44:19.:44:22.

to the top of Snowdon.' Normally, you run up to the top

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and then back down again, don't you? But this morning, we're just

:44:28.:44:30.

going to the summit. That's right. and you're going to be

:44:31.:44:33.

climbing over 3,000 ft. Oh! How long does that normally

:44:34.:44:36.

take you, then? Well, let's make it interesting.

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I'll give you 50 minutes today. How does that sound?

:44:40.:44:42.

I'm not quite sure about that. But we'll give it a go. Shall we?

:44:43.:44:45.

Let's go. Right. 'You didn't really think I was going

:44:46.:44:54.

to run up there, did you?' There's a train here that

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goes to the top. 'I'm catching a ride with Wyddfa,

:44:59.:45:04.

which is Welsh for Snowdon. 'She is one of the original

:45:05.:45:08.

1896 steam locos. 'And I have good

:45:09.:45:13.

company on the journey. '40 years ago, it was

:45:14.:45:17.

Ken Jones who had that 'idea of racing from Llanberis

:45:18.:45:19.

to the summit and back. First thing I did, really, was to

:45:20.:45:23.

get in touch with the local carnival committee, and thought

:45:24.:45:28.

they would like to have a race in front of the

:45:29.:45:31.

carnival procession. Of course, the runner was up

:45:32.:45:34.

and down in one hour and 12 minutes, by the time it took the carnival

:45:35.:45:37.

procession to go round the village. And how many people took

:45:38.:45:40.

part in that first race, then? And quite a lot of the local

:45:41.:45:43.

lads took part. So with 80 odd runners taking part,

:45:44.:45:48.

it was a big hit, wasn't it? Yes. Yes, it soon dawned on us the

:45:49.:45:52.

following day, really, that people were already asking,

:45:53.:45:55.

"Are you going to put "it on next year?" And that's what

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happened. 'And here is Ken the very next year,

:45:58.:46:01.

1977, 'with the race already attracting

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television cameras and large crowds. 'There are no crowds for Ben today,

:46:06.:46:12.

though. 'He's aiming to hit

:46:13.:46:14.

the summit in around 50 minutes. 'But the course

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record for the race up 'and down was set by Kenny Stuart

:46:19.:46:21.

in 1985, 62:29 there and back from the

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village of Llanberis. Goodness me. I mean, I've walked down this

:46:26.:46:35.

mountain before now You went up

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and down in just over an hour. I was racing against some

:46:39.:46:42.

top international runners, including Italians.

:46:43.:46:45.

So they pushed me on to that time. And when you got to the finishing

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line, what was the feeling? I mean, were you exhausted?

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No, I was pretty good, actually. but a winner always feels very good

:46:53.:46:55.

when he finishes. 'Ben's not going to be troubling

:46:56.:47:01.

Kenny's record today 'but he has got

:47:02.:47:07.

a bit of a lead over us. 'Stephen Edwards has been organising

:47:08.:47:10.

the Snowdon Race since 2009. 'Under his stewardship,

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it's grown in importance.' I imagine that this race must be of

:47:16.:47:19.

huge benefit to the local community. All the people who come here,

:47:20.:47:25.

the people who come to watch, It's a huge social day, in a way,

:47:26.:47:27.

for the people of the area. the community...the area around

:47:28.:47:32.

Llanberis. Many people organise their summer

:47:33.:47:36.

holidays around the Snowdon Race. A good money-earner for a lot

:47:37.:47:40.

of people. It is. The cakes have been baked locally,

:47:41.:47:42.

the marshals, the hotels are full. And it's usually,

:47:43.:47:48.

now, around between ?200,000 and ?250,000 impact

:47:49.:47:50.

to the area. So Ken's little idea, originally,

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has turned into something quite big. It's quite big, really, but what's

:47:54.:47:58.

nice - it looks a professional, commercial event but it's still been

:47:59.:48:02.

organised by the community 'As we approach the summit,

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we can see Ben just ahead. 'It's man versus train

:48:07.:48:15.

and man looks like winning. 'And, for his efforts,

:48:16.:48:20.

Ben gets to meet his hero, Kenny, 'whose long-standing record

:48:21.:48:24.

he'd love to beat.' Sorry to leave you on your own

:48:25.:48:26.

but I had a train ticket, you know. Was it a tough run? It was a tough

:48:27.:48:30.

run. It was a good race. Well, you beat us.

:48:31.:48:33.

Thank you very much. And can I introduce you to Kenny?

:48:34.:48:35.

Hi. Who has the course record of,

:48:36.:48:37.

what was it again? So that's what you've got to try

:48:38.:48:40.

and beat this year. Big ask! 'it doesn't really matter

:48:41.:48:48.

how you get to the top 'if you're lucky enough to

:48:49.:48:53.

have views like this.' Well, the weather really couldn't

:48:54.:48:58.

have been better for us on top of Mount Snowdon today.

:48:59.:49:01.

It's absolutely glorious. But what's it going to be like right

:49:02.:49:04.

across the UK in the week ahead? Good evening. It has been a largely

:49:05.:49:26.

fine day across many parts of the country with low cloud for eastern

:49:27.:49:30.

areas that was stubborn to break up, but for many of us it did, leaving

:49:31.:49:35.

spells of sunshine such as this, as you can see here in County Durham.

:49:36.:49:41.

The start of the week, a lot of fine, dry weather on the cards but

:49:42.:49:46.

things turning unsettled late in the week. Certainly some rain on the

:49:47.:49:50.

cards at times. The warmest weather and brightest weather will be

:49:51.:49:54.

generally further west. Over the next 24 hours, we have high pressure

:49:55.:49:59.

sitting out to the north-west of the UK and a slow-moving area of low

:50:00.:50:03.

pressure towards the near continent, so the squeeze in the isobars means

:50:04.:50:06.

some fairly breezy weather on the cards through back on the day Monday

:50:07.:50:13.

across eastern parts in particular. -- three bank holiday. Things in

:50:14.:50:19.

eastern Scotland starting cloudy with some sunshine breaking through

:50:20.:50:22.

by the afternoon. But the lion's share of the sunshine is across

:50:23.:50:27.

Wales, the south-west of England, where we are likely to see 20 or 21,

:50:28.:50:36.

20 2 degrees. Cooler conditions across eastern and south-eastern

:50:37.:50:38.

England. Especially over the more exposed coasts. A sunny, maybe dry

:50:39.:50:45.

afternoon over Northern Ireland with the chance of an isolated shower and

:50:46.:50:48.

a few showers for Scotland but not as heavy or frequent as those we had

:50:49.:50:54.

today. As we enter tomorrow, most places staying dry though we still

:50:55.:50:57.

have that wind for eastern areas and the cloud in the East gradually

:50:58.:51:02.

drifting westwards as we head into the early hours of Tuesday, bringing

:51:03.:51:07.

some outbreaks of rain, particularly heavy at times across East Anglia

:51:08.:51:12.

and down towards the south-east. Tuesday will be influenced by this

:51:13.:51:15.

area of low pressure sitting across northern France and the low

:51:16.:51:18.

countries and that will be throwing weather fronts our way, coming in

:51:19.:51:25.

from East, so some uncertainty how things will progress. Some fairly

:51:26.:51:29.

heavy rain for eastern parts of England associated with that frontal

:51:30.:51:33.

system, whereas further north and west, plenty of sunshine.

:51:34.:51:38.

Temperatures in Glasgow at 20 or so and under the cloud, more like 14 in

:51:39.:51:43.

Norwich. Some real contrast as we head into Wednesday. This area of

:51:44.:51:49.

low pressure drifting northwards on Wednesday, as well as westwards, and

:51:50.:51:53.

some uncertainty in the detail but likely to see spells of rain across

:51:54.:51:58.

northern England, Wales and possibly down to the south-west. A few

:51:59.:52:00.

showers south of that with the driest and brightest weather further

:52:01.:52:05.

north, and that is down to this big area of high pressure dominating our

:52:06.:52:08.

weather as we had to the end of the week. This frontal system still

:52:09.:52:13.

hanging around on Thursday. It is likely to produce spots of rain and

:52:14.:52:18.

cloud across southern areas. Further north, more sunshine, but across the

:52:19.:52:22.

board, we see those temperatures dipping down compared to recent

:52:23.:52:25.

days. And that is how we end the week. Into Friday, we still have

:52:26.:52:30.

that high pressure to the north and with the winds circulating in a

:52:31.:52:34.

clockwise direction, we will be drawing in the breeze from a north

:52:35.:52:38.

or north-easterly direction. So fairly cool in the North. Looks like

:52:39.:52:42.

we start and end the week on 'We've been exploring

:52:43.:52:54.

the awe-inspiring 'landscapes of Snowdonia

:52:55.:52:56.

in north Wales. 'the challenges of fell-running

:52:57.:53:04.

on Mount Snowdon, 'I've been taking on

:53:05.:53:08.

my own watery challenge.' 'I've definitely caught

:53:09.:53:10.

the surfing bug. 'It's something all of us should be

:53:11.:53:18.

able to experience. 'Here at Surf Snowdonia,

:53:19.:53:21.

disability experts 'and surf enthusiasts Ben Clifford

:53:22.:53:24.

and Ross Head have come to 'test a surfboard they've designed

:53:25.:53:28.

for people with reduced mobility.' Hi, guys, how are you doing?

:53:29.:53:31.

Hi there. Wow. Tell me about this.

:53:32.:53:34.

What is this, Ross? This is a surfboard

:53:35.:53:38.

that's been developed specifically for use

:53:39.:53:40.

by disabled people. So whose idea was it? Ben came up

:53:41.:53:42.

with the idea or the need for one. and we're a surfing

:53:43.:53:46.

school for disabled people and we're working with a boy

:53:47.:53:50.

regularly who didn't feel comfortable led down holding on

:53:51.:53:54.

to the handles. So we tried sitting him on the board

:53:55.:53:57.

and holding him but, again, he didn't feel comfortable,

:53:58.:54:00.

so we looked at a bath seat and we were strapping that to the board

:54:01.:54:05.

and that was an instant change. 'With the help of Ross

:54:06.:54:08.

and a surfboard designer, 'Ben's home-made prototype was

:54:09.:54:14.

transformed into a tandem surfboard, 'complete with

:54:15.:54:18.

its own special chair.' It looks like a Grand Prix F1 seat,

:54:19.:54:23.

doesn't it? It is, it is exactly that.

:54:24.:54:25.

It's the seat out of a sports car. A racing go-kart.

:54:26.:54:28.

But it doesn't have any straps. No, so...if we wipe out,

:54:29.:54:32.

we want the participant to fall away from the board and then

:54:33.:54:36.

we'll have catchers in the water. So we will have people to

:54:37.:54:39.

support the participant So whoever you are,

:54:40.:54:42.

wiping out is part of surfing. And who's going to be

:54:43.:54:50.

testing it today? So we've got Tina with us today,

:54:51.:54:52.

who's really keen really keen to have a go and

:54:53.:54:55.

catch some waves here. Fantastic,

:54:56.:55:00.

I can't wait to see it in action. 'Whilst the team practise

:55:01.:55:06.

with their special surfboard... '..I'm going to meet self-confessed

:55:07.:55:15.

adrenaline junkie Tina.' It looks awesome.

:55:16.:55:21.

It does, doesn't it? Yeah. Does it make you want

:55:22.:55:27.

to get out there? So how do you feel about getting

:55:28.:55:29.

on this specially designed surfboard today?

:55:30.:55:33.

Have you used it before? I've used it once before but, before

:55:34.:55:35.

that time, what we used to use was a big, like, surfboard,

:55:36.:55:40.

and I used to lie down on my belly. And after a while, it would

:55:41.:55:46.

get tiring on my arms and my back. So with this new board,

:55:47.:55:51.

it's quite awesome because I could ride

:55:52.:55:53.

the waves all day. I think that the guy surfing

:55:54.:55:56.

on the back is more tired than me. At 16, Tina was diagnosed

:55:57.:56:01.

with a degenerative condition It affects her coordination

:56:02.:56:05.

and movement. By the time she was 21,

:56:06.:56:11.

she had to make a big decision. I went to university

:56:12.:56:15.

and I was still walking wobbly and holding on to friends

:56:16.:56:19.

and things. And then after university,

:56:20.:56:22.

I thought, "Right, I'm going

:56:23.:56:24.

to give in to the chair." "Right, I'm going to have to use

:56:25.:56:27.

a wheelchair." But, actually,

:56:28.:56:32.

once I started using the chair, I noticed it made me

:56:33.:56:36.

less disabled than disabled. Because I felt I could do whatever

:56:37.:56:41.

I wanted to do now without getting tired and things,

:56:42.:56:46.

walking around. I was free. And free to do what,

:56:47.:56:49.

exactly, Tina? Erm...I've been skydiving,

:56:50.:56:53.

that was the first thing that I did. And I got my own kayak.

:56:54.:56:59.

I've been abseiling. I just enjoy whatever's

:57:00.:57:02.

possible for me to do. My motto in life is - I don't need

:57:03.:57:08.

easy, I just need possible. So how do you feel about getting

:57:09.:57:14.

on this man-made surf lagoon? 'The tandem surfboard has

:57:15.:57:17.

worked perfectly 'and it looks like Tina has enjoyed

:57:18.:57:54.

surfing here as much as I have. 'to this beautiful part

:57:55.:57:58.

of the country.' Well, that looked like real fun.

:57:59.:58:02.

John, it was exhilarating. I can highly recommend it.

:58:03.:58:05.

You got on one knee as well. I did. Maybe if I practise a little bit

:58:06.:58:08.

harder I can get on two. I think you got the easy option

:58:09.:58:10.

getting the train. I did,

:58:11.:58:12.

but I did jog to the station. Next week, Matt and I will be in

:58:13.:58:15.

Montrose. Not Malibu, then? No, we're building up to Malibu.

:58:16.:58:19.

Until then, bye-bye.

:58:20.:58:23.

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