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In its mission to visit all points of the compass, the Roadshow has arrived for the first time at the | 0:00:30 | 0:00:36 | |
UK's most westerly port, a position that more than once has placed the | 0:00:36 | 0:00:40 | |
walled city of Londonderry at the very heart of historic events. | 0:00:40 | 0:00:45 | |
During the Battle of the Atlantic, the longest campaign of World War II, more than 20,000 Royal Navy | 0:00:45 | 0:00:51 | |
personnel were stationed here, but these shores | 0:00:51 | 0:00:54 | |
haven't always offered a warm welcome to the weary sailor. | 0:00:54 | 0:00:57 | |
In 1588, ships of the Spanish Armada, limping home from defeat | 0:01:06 | 0:01:10 | |
in the English Channel, were driven way off course by storms. | 0:01:10 | 0:01:14 | |
One ship, La Trinidad Valencera was grounded on a reef at Kinnagoe Bay, | 0:01:14 | 0:01:19 | |
30 miles from the city of Derry, and broke up. | 0:01:19 | 0:01:22 | |
Ironically it was bad weather that resurrected the vessel. | 0:01:24 | 0:01:26 | |
400 years later on a miserable February day in 1971 the City of Derry Sub-aqua Club | 0:01:26 | 0:01:34 | |
were forced by conditions to do their diving a lot closer to the shore than usual. | 0:01:34 | 0:01:39 | |
The first clue to the lost ship was a bronze cannon, but the divers soon | 0:01:44 | 0:01:48 | |
realised that the wreckage was spread over a huge area. | 0:01:48 | 0:01:52 | |
Over the next number of years, club members, with the help of | 0:01:57 | 0:02:00 | |
the Ulster Museum, catalogued and conserved each fragment they found. | 0:02:00 | 0:02:06 | |
In every war, each side considers its cause to be just, and both Protestant England | 0:02:09 | 0:02:14 | |
and Catholic Spain believed they fought in the name of God. | 0:02:14 | 0:02:18 | |
Before going into battle, Spaniards were given a certificate absolving them of their sins. | 0:02:18 | 0:02:24 | |
They were also given a holy medallion and this one was found on the sea-bed at Kinnagoe Bay. | 0:02:24 | 0:02:31 | |
You won't find a finer set of city walls in Europe - they date back to the early 1600s and they've been | 0:02:41 | 0:02:46 | |
through several sieges without ever being breached, that's why Derry is called "The Maiden City". | 0:02:46 | 0:02:53 | |
Our venue today is tucked neatly inside the walls. The Millennium Forum is a state-of-the-art theatre. | 0:02:55 | 0:03:01 | |
It's been adapted to accommodate the special needs of the Antiques Roadshow. | 0:03:06 | 0:03:11 | |
Well, we're sort of dressed for a cream tea - we've got the jam and | 0:03:19 | 0:03:24 | |
cream dish and we have a nice little teapot. | 0:03:24 | 0:03:26 | |
Tell me, where does this teapot come from? | 0:03:26 | 0:03:29 | |
It was a wedding present to my grandparents, and it's Belleek but it's very unusual. | 0:03:29 | 0:03:35 | |
They haven't got a record of that teapot in the Belleek factory. | 0:03:35 | 0:03:39 | |
And Belleek, of course, is an incredibly, and rightly celebrated, | 0:03:39 | 0:03:42 | |
Irish factory based in County Fermanagh. | 0:03:42 | 0:03:45 | |
If we take the lid off to have a look at the mark underneath, there it is, | 0:03:45 | 0:03:49 | |
there's the mark, the dog, the harp and the tower, it says "Belleek" | 0:03:49 | 0:03:55 | |
and it says "County Fermanagh, Ireland". | 0:03:55 | 0:03:57 | |
Now, that mark immediately tells me what period of Belleek this belongs to. | 0:03:58 | 0:04:01 | |
This particular mark doesn't come in until the very end of the 1880s... | 0:04:01 | 0:04:06 | |
-Does that square with your own family record? -Yes. | 0:04:06 | 0:04:11 | |
My grandparents were married in 1896 so that would fit in. | 0:04:11 | 0:04:16 | |
So this was a wedding present in 1896? | 0:04:16 | 0:04:18 | |
Yes, yes. | 0:04:18 | 0:04:20 | |
You happen to have brought along one of my favourite teapot models of all time. | 0:04:20 | 0:04:25 | |
Look at that shape. First of all you've got a pentagonal shape. | 0:04:25 | 0:04:29 | |
How often do you see a teapot with five sides? | 0:04:29 | 0:04:32 | |
And each of the sides is conceived as a bundle of bamboo, with these notches overlapping | 0:04:32 | 0:04:38 | |
and they've even gone into that delicious detail of the severed ends of each of these rods of bamboo. | 0:04:38 | 0:04:45 | |
You can see the pith - they've actually taken the trouble to | 0:04:45 | 0:04:48 | |
model the pith that you would see on bamboo. | 0:04:48 | 0:04:51 | |
And then you have a bamboo spout and you have a nice bamboo stem for the handle. | 0:04:51 | 0:04:57 | |
Now this is not a Belleek invention, that may be why it doesn't appear in the pattern books. | 0:04:57 | 0:05:02 | |
Royal Worcester produced this shape, in this very material, this Parian body, | 0:05:02 | 0:05:09 | |
back in the 1880s and Belleek took a lot of designs, almost copied them straight off, from Royal Worcester. | 0:05:09 | 0:05:17 | |
So you could say, "Hang on, that's a Royal Worcester shape." But no, it goes further back than that. | 0:05:17 | 0:05:23 | |
If you go back into the 18th century, back to around the 1760s-1770s, | 0:05:23 | 0:05:29 | |
this shape was being produced by Josiah Wedgwood. | 0:05:29 | 0:05:33 | |
-But it doesn't stop there. -Really? | 0:05:35 | 0:05:37 | |
If you go back another 60 years to China, and to a part of China called Yixing, | 0:05:37 | 0:05:44 | |
that's where we find the original pentagonal bamboo teapot. | 0:05:44 | 0:05:49 | |
-Bamboo teapot. -And there it's made in a red stoneware but it's exactly the same and it's come through... | 0:05:49 | 0:05:54 | |
-That's very interesting. -..That hop, skip and a jump, over the water to Ireland, to Belleek. -Oh, right. | 0:05:54 | 0:06:00 | |
So how much would it cost to lay something like this out for tea? | 0:06:00 | 0:06:04 | |
Well, your little Victorian coloured glass jam-and-cream set on its electro-plated stand would probably | 0:06:04 | 0:06:10 | |
cost you in the region of £100, £150. | 0:06:10 | 0:06:14 | |
The teapot... I would expect if you were to sell a piece like this to a | 0:06:14 | 0:06:20 | |
collector of Belleek, and let's remember that | 0:06:20 | 0:06:22 | |
Belleek collectors aren't merely in Ireland, but also in England and, more to the point, in America. | 0:06:22 | 0:06:28 | |
A rarity like this would probably cost them at least £1,000. | 0:06:28 | 0:06:33 | |
For that teapot? | 0:06:33 | 0:06:36 | |
Oh, my goodness. | 0:06:36 | 0:06:37 | |
One lump or two? | 0:06:37 | 0:06:39 | |
Oh! | 0:06:39 | 0:06:41 | |
That's... For that simple teapot? I can't... | 0:06:41 | 0:06:45 | |
I cannot believe that. | 0:06:45 | 0:06:47 | |
Thank you very much indeed. That's...that's amazing. | 0:06:47 | 0:06:50 | |
So now, you inherited this from your great aunt? | 0:06:52 | 0:06:55 | |
-That's right, yes. -How did she come by it? | 0:06:55 | 0:06:56 | |
Well, she'd always collected a lot of paintings and all sorts of stuff, I mean from my going to | 0:06:56 | 0:07:01 | |
the house there was always, there was lot of bits and pieces in it, | 0:07:01 | 0:07:05 | |
but this one here was one that she particularly liked herself and I always liked too, and when she did | 0:07:05 | 0:07:10 | |
get, um, you know, iller, when she became older, she had to move into a small flat and this is one | 0:07:10 | 0:07:16 | |
of the few things she kept from, you know, all her belongings, so she had a great fondness for this and... | 0:07:16 | 0:07:21 | |
And, rather poignantly, this is about, about an ill child, isn't it? | 0:07:21 | 0:07:24 | |
Yes, yes. | 0:07:24 | 0:07:26 | |
Well, I must say it's really lovely to see this, not least because it's by a very interesting artist. | 0:07:26 | 0:07:32 | |
Caroline Paterson, who painted this, is the sister of the famous watercolourist, Helen Allingham. | 0:07:32 | 0:07:39 | |
Now Allingham is known for her cottages and her flowers. She did them with exquisite detail, | 0:07:39 | 0:07:47 | |
and in this case you can see that her sister has obviously | 0:07:47 | 0:07:49 | |
got a bit of that genetic skill. But, of course, the thing that really strikes one about this picture | 0:07:49 | 0:07:55 | |
is the subject matter, because we're dealing with the passing of a life in the form of a child, | 0:07:55 | 0:08:02 | |
the pale face indicates to me something pretty chronic, don't you? | 0:08:02 | 0:08:07 | |
-I would say so. -It suggests to me that he may well be suffering from | 0:08:07 | 0:08:12 | |
-consumption, from tuberculosis, quite a killer at the period. -Yes. | 0:08:12 | 0:08:18 | |
-There he is, wrapped up, his face pointed downwards. His sister, I imagine. -Yes. | 0:08:18 | 0:08:22 | |
..Looking rather poignantly at him, almost as if she knows. | 0:08:22 | 0:08:27 | |
That's strange because it's so sort of pretty-looking, then when | 0:08:27 | 0:08:30 | |
you start to look into it, it's actually quite dark. | 0:08:30 | 0:08:32 | |
-It is, isn't it? -Yes. | 0:08:32 | 0:08:34 | |
It, it's...it's real life, but there is a sinister element, | 0:08:34 | 0:08:38 | |
and, of course, that aspect is underlined by the symbolism in the | 0:08:38 | 0:08:42 | |
picture as well, because the beautifully delineated clock | 0:08:42 | 0:08:45 | |
-indicates time, the passing of time. -Yes. | 0:08:45 | 0:08:50 | |
A memento mori, used for hundreds of years as a device just to remind people they're not here for ever. | 0:08:50 | 0:08:55 | |
-Yes. -And then the flowers dropping on the ground. Again, the passing of spring and summer. Spring - | 0:08:55 | 0:09:01 | |
that's a tragically short season... | 0:09:01 | 0:09:03 | |
A wonderful image of imparting the notion of death of a child. | 0:09:03 | 0:09:09 | |
I must say, it's very moving. | 0:09:09 | 0:09:11 | |
-It is. -And it's moving because it's done by an artist who has this skill with detail. | 0:09:11 | 0:09:16 | |
-Yes. -Who knows how to impart on a literal and a poetic level. | 0:09:16 | 0:09:21 | |
If the subject matter were a little bit more | 0:09:21 | 0:09:24 | |
-upbeat, it might be worth more. -Yes. | 0:09:24 | 0:09:27 | |
But it's still worth about £4,000. | 0:09:27 | 0:09:30 | |
Really? Goodness, that's... Thank you very much, that's very nice to know. | 0:09:30 | 0:09:35 | |
"Soft, pliant spirits who can playful stoop... | 0:09:36 | 0:09:41 | |
"..To purchase, capture from the rolling hoop, | 0:09:43 | 0:09:48 | |
-"Who watch the sleeping top with keen delight and gaze with transport on the graceful kite." -Yes. | 0:09:48 | 0:10:00 | |
-Isn't that lovely? -Yes, it's lovely. -Oh, so romantic, isn't it? | 0:10:00 | 0:10:05 | |
It's the most fantastic three pictures I have ever ever seen, you must be so proud of them. | 0:10:05 | 0:10:11 | |
-Yes, I am. -Shall we just look at the back? | 0:10:11 | 0:10:14 | |
-Because you've got an inscription there which is very difficult to read. -Yes, yes. | 0:10:14 | 0:10:19 | |
-It says, "This was designed and cut by Martha Dorothea Bennett." -Yes. | 0:10:19 | 0:10:25 | |
"Castle Crea in County Limerick". | 0:10:25 | 0:10:29 | |
-Yes. -And, "In the year 1817 or 1812"... | 0:10:29 | 0:10:33 | |
So, they're not quite sure. | 0:10:33 | 0:10:37 | |
-Tell me about them. -Well, I had a Miss Eileen Bennett living with us for a few years. | 0:10:38 | 0:10:44 | |
-Yes. -And, er, she knew that I done handiwork | 0:10:44 | 0:10:48 | |
and, was very interested perhaps. | 0:10:48 | 0:10:52 | |
-Yes. -So one day she come in and she said to me, "Would you like those pictures, because when I die...", | 0:10:52 | 0:10:59 | |
she said, "..I don't know where they'll go." | 0:10:59 | 0:11:03 | |
-So she give me those. -So she was called Bennett. | 0:11:03 | 0:11:06 | |
She was called Bennett, she'll be ancestor, that'll be her ancestors that's on this. | 0:11:06 | 0:11:11 | |
Well, what in fact we are looking at is someone who's cut out the oval piece of paper and put it down, | 0:11:11 | 0:11:20 | |
they've pinned it all the way round and then with a very, very fine razor they have cut every single little | 0:11:20 | 0:11:29 | |
branch, flower, all the way round this charming watercolour | 0:11:29 | 0:11:34 | |
and what's so lovely is that's also a watercolour, | 0:11:34 | 0:11:38 | |
a little harp. | 0:11:38 | 0:11:41 | |
-Yes. -And I think this is a very romantic mother and daughter scene, ladies | 0:11:41 | 0:11:46 | |
embracing. This possibly is an older daughter with her mother and I'd like to think that is what it is. | 0:11:46 | 0:11:53 | |
If you think about the intricacy - candlelight, 1812. They used, if they could, a magnifying glass | 0:11:53 | 0:12:02 | |
-and I should think it really hurt the eyes too. -It sure did. | 0:12:02 | 0:12:08 | |
-What a lot of patience. -Yes. | 0:12:08 | 0:12:10 | |
And love. | 0:12:10 | 0:12:12 | |
-They are incredibly rare. -Are they? | 0:12:12 | 0:12:15 | |
And it is very difficult to put a price on them. | 0:12:15 | 0:12:19 | |
I would say that if these three went up for auction, | 0:12:19 | 0:12:22 | |
I can see them making something as much as £2,000 to £3,000. | 0:12:22 | 0:12:27 | |
Well, they'll not be sold. | 0:12:33 | 0:12:35 | |
-Good. -No way. | 0:12:35 | 0:12:38 | |
I agree with you, because that something that you're given, you can't sell, can you? | 0:12:38 | 0:12:43 | |
No. What did you say again? | 0:12:43 | 0:12:46 | |
-You've forgotten already? Forget it, forget it. -Forget it. | 0:12:46 | 0:12:50 | |
For this sort of furniture, this is a belter, but I must say, | 0:12:54 | 0:12:58 | |
I just imagine... Did you have trouble getting this in, on the top of your car? | 0:12:58 | 0:13:04 | |
No, actually your people came and brought it in here, so they did. | 0:13:04 | 0:13:07 | |
Well, that's a great relief. I was just wondering what it must have looked like. | 0:13:07 | 0:13:09 | |
Do your friends like it? | 0:13:09 | 0:13:12 | |
They do. | 0:13:12 | 0:13:13 | |
They don't think, "What on earth is that great monster?" | 0:13:13 | 0:13:16 | |
They don't tell me, anyway. | 0:13:16 | 0:13:19 | |
-They don't go out of the house thinking...! -Maybe. | 0:13:19 | 0:13:20 | |
The angle of this is that at no time before the 1880s | 0:13:20 | 0:13:26 | |
was there such a combination piece of furniture design. | 0:13:26 | 0:13:29 | |
This is of that period and it lasted till about 1910, just before | 0:13:29 | 0:13:35 | |
the First World War, so this is of the period and there were two styles. | 0:13:35 | 0:13:39 | |
One was this, which is the Sheraton revival, the other was Chippendale, which is all carved. | 0:13:39 | 0:13:44 | |
They both had mirrors in the backs, they had shelves, they had columns, | 0:13:44 | 0:13:47 | |
we had cupboards, we had doors with glass in, everything is in this combination piece. | 0:13:47 | 0:13:53 | |
This is rosewood, it's decorated with satinwood, it has beech, it has ivorine, the one thing about these | 0:13:53 | 0:14:00 | |
pieces is that they are now rare in their entirety because in the 1950s | 0:14:00 | 0:14:05 | |
and '60s, you couldn't sell them - nobody wanted these great pieces, so they used to take the top off here... | 0:14:05 | 0:14:12 | |
Right? ..You could fill the holes in and this would go over a mantelpiece | 0:14:12 | 0:14:17 | |
-and this part would be the other side of the room as a sideboard. -Right. | 0:14:17 | 0:14:21 | |
Now then, they got split up because Auntie Edie had the mirror and | 0:14:21 | 0:14:24 | |
Uncle George had the sideboard and they were never the two seen again together. | 0:14:24 | 0:14:27 | |
Now, when you get one that's original, it's not a rarity but it is a more unusual thing to see, OK? | 0:14:27 | 0:14:34 | |
-Right. -So that puts great added value, historical value to it, and of course you have a genuine antique. | 0:14:34 | 0:14:40 | |
-Mm. -Now, it's been moved recently. | 0:14:40 | 0:14:44 | |
-It has. -It has. OK, tell me the story. | 0:14:44 | 0:14:46 | |
At the start of this year, it was moved - my aunt and | 0:14:46 | 0:14:49 | |
her husband gave it to me and my husband as a present. | 0:14:49 | 0:14:51 | |
-OK. -So they did, | 0:14:51 | 0:14:54 | |
and that was just at the start of the year. | 0:14:54 | 0:14:57 | |
OK. | 0:14:57 | 0:14:59 | |
-So where had they had it stored before? -There was no heating. | 0:14:59 | 0:15:02 | |
-Ah. -There was no central heating. | 0:15:02 | 0:15:05 | |
-OK. -So there wasn't. -And you've got central heating? | 0:15:05 | 0:15:07 | |
But I kept the heating off in the room it was in. | 0:15:07 | 0:15:10 | |
OK, but it has, it has been moved and I'll tell you why. | 0:15:10 | 0:15:15 | |
You can see the top, that panel on the left-hand side. | 0:15:15 | 0:15:19 | |
-Right. -It's bevelled, it's done that, hasn't it? -Mm. | 0:15:19 | 0:15:22 | |
That's because it's veneered onto pine and mahogany, | 0:15:22 | 0:15:25 | |
and not very thick sheets, so you've got a one-sided sandwich. | 0:15:25 | 0:15:28 | |
You know, like the vicar's sandwiches, that all sort of curled up, | 0:15:28 | 0:15:31 | |
and that's what's happening. | 0:15:31 | 0:15:34 | |
Now you needn't remedy that, but you want to prevent the rest of it going that way, otherwise this is all going | 0:15:34 | 0:15:39 | |
to pop out, you know, there will be little bits flying all over the place because ivorine, boxwood, satinwood, | 0:15:39 | 0:15:46 | |
are all different timbers and materials which react to the heat | 0:15:46 | 0:15:49 | |
-at a different rate, to the rosewood and the pine and the mahogany. -Right. | 0:15:49 | 0:15:53 | |
So you need to keep in the room, just keep a bowl of water either end underneath. | 0:15:53 | 0:15:59 | |
Right. | 0:15:59 | 0:16:01 | |
That will just add enough humidity to ease it into its new situation. | 0:16:01 | 0:16:05 | |
If you get any popping out, if you get any damage, don't do anything with it | 0:16:05 | 0:16:09 | |
for at least a year, because it needs to settle in its new home, OK? | 0:16:09 | 0:16:14 | |
-Right. -It will settle and it will be repairable. | 0:16:14 | 0:16:17 | |
Now, the rest of it is purely that it is of its type. | 0:16:17 | 0:16:21 | |
It is as good as you'll see, it has everything on it that it should have and it would have been made in one of | 0:16:21 | 0:16:27 | |
the leading furniture manufacturers of that period and between 1885 and 1910, and it's worth today, | 0:16:27 | 0:16:35 | |
a market that is rising, | 0:16:35 | 0:16:37 | |
-because of the fact that it's altogether, round about £2,500 to £3,000. -Very good. -All right? | 0:16:37 | 0:16:42 | |
-Lovely, OK. Thank you. -Thank you. | 0:16:42 | 0:16:45 | |
I'm assuming that you're both a couple of collectors, is that right? | 0:16:46 | 0:16:50 | |
Well, car boots I'd say more, collectors... | 0:16:50 | 0:16:53 | |
We buy at car boot sales, markets and some auctions but mostly markets and car boot sales and that. | 0:16:53 | 0:16:58 | |
OK, because I go to car booting, you know, but I'm a solo booter. | 0:16:58 | 0:17:01 | |
-Yeah. -Because I like to whizz down the tables, how do you, how do you play it between the two of you? | 0:17:01 | 0:17:06 | |
Well, he be my, he be my apprentice. He's been in training, you know? | 0:17:06 | 0:17:09 | |
-Oh, yes. -We be up early on a Sunday morning and generally make a day of it, till about one or two o'clock. | 0:17:09 | 0:17:14 | |
Do you always use your proper names? Because some people don't, you know. | 0:17:14 | 0:17:18 | |
Well, he has a name... | 0:17:18 | 0:17:19 | |
Just kind of picked it up... | 0:17:19 | 0:17:21 | |
-He calls me Fagin. -Fagin? -Yes. -Well, then. | 0:17:21 | 0:17:25 | |
-He calls me Dodger. -Dodger! | 0:17:25 | 0:17:27 | |
-And we even have a dog, we even have a dog called Bullseye. -No! -Yeah, he was a stray, so he was. | 0:17:27 | 0:17:32 | |
Now hang on, your mother's not called Nancy, is she? | 0:17:32 | 0:17:34 | |
-No. -OK, let's get that one sorted, but, um, let's have a look at the, | 0:17:34 | 0:17:38 | |
er, the box of goodies. What have you got for starters? | 0:17:38 | 0:17:41 | |
The first one's... | 0:17:41 | 0:17:43 | |
Yeah, well I always raise a smile when I see this, this character, because I used to have an office in, | 0:17:46 | 0:17:52 | |
in London and my office window used to look out onto the man who | 0:17:52 | 0:17:56 | |
actually drew this, his house was directly across the road, his name was Bruce Bairnsfather. | 0:17:56 | 0:18:02 | |
It says: "Well, if you knows of a better 'ole, go to it." | 0:18:02 | 0:18:08 | |
He brings humour into what was really a terrible scenario in the First World War and often on the back | 0:18:08 | 0:18:14 | |
they're marked by Grimwades and there's this lovely little line saying, | 0:18:14 | 0:18:20 | |
"Made by the girls of Staffordshire when the boys were away fighting in the trenches." | 0:18:20 | 0:18:25 | |
So, car boot. Got a crack. How much did that cost you? | 0:18:25 | 0:18:28 | |
Well, in euros about ten euros, so that was about five quid, I'd say sterling. | 0:18:28 | 0:18:31 | |
About five pound, when you say euros, you're buying these in the south? | 0:18:31 | 0:18:34 | |
-Dublin, we're from. -You're from Dublin? | 0:18:34 | 0:18:36 | |
Yeah, from Dublin, yeah. | 0:18:36 | 0:18:38 | |
-Yeah. -OK, so you came all the way from Dublin? -Oh, yeah. Well it's not much. We spent two, over two hours. | 0:18:38 | 0:18:41 | |
Well, obviously the condition affects it and I mean for £5 though, you can't go wrong. | 0:18:41 | 0:18:45 | |
-Oh, no. -I mean you could treble your money, OK. | 0:18:45 | 0:18:47 | |
Not a huge amount. If it was perfect, £40 or £50, no problem. | 0:18:47 | 0:18:52 | |
-Yes. -OK, what else have we got? -I have this here. | 0:18:52 | 0:18:54 | |
Very nice, I like that. When you bought it, I mean, what did you think it was? | 0:18:56 | 0:19:01 | |
I was there late, I was there about half nine, there was two or three fellas having a conversation. | 0:19:01 | 0:19:06 | |
Well, they were talking. I was just interested enough to not talk and just buy it. | 0:19:06 | 0:19:10 | |
-Oh, right. -So I bought it, I was reasonably sure that it was a Victorian dog trough. | 0:19:10 | 0:19:16 | |
I gave him 15 euros, I don't know only about £8 sterling or something, | 0:19:16 | 0:19:20 | |
I don't know where it was made, I don't know the potters and that. | 0:19:20 | 0:19:24 | |
Let's have a look because there's nothing, there's no real marks. It's impressed new stone, | 0:19:24 | 0:19:29 | |
which is a form of stone china, so transfer-printed, yep. | 0:19:29 | 0:19:33 | |
-Made in Staffordshire, um, date-wise about 1835, 1845. -Well, I heard they were rare. | 0:19:33 | 0:19:40 | |
It is rare because, you know, by definition, you know a dog bowl like this, or a dog trough as they're | 0:19:40 | 0:19:46 | |
often referred to, they suffer the ravages of time what with, especially... | 0:19:46 | 0:19:51 | |
It depends on the size of your dog. | 0:19:51 | 0:19:53 | |
Anyway it's got a little bit of damage, I notice, but there are plenty of collectors out there | 0:19:53 | 0:19:59 | |
would be very happy to give you the best part of £100 for that, OK? | 0:19:59 | 0:20:05 | |
So, things are getting better. What else have we got? | 0:20:05 | 0:20:07 | |
This is one of the ugliest pieces of silver plate | 0:20:08 | 0:20:13 | |
I've seen on any Roadshow. Where on earth did you get it from? | 0:20:13 | 0:20:17 | |
Well, actually it was a friend of mine that came from England | 0:20:17 | 0:20:20 | |
and he brought it with him and he came along to me and said, "Would you like this?" | 0:20:20 | 0:20:24 | |
and I looked at it and I...I had my own impression, | 0:20:24 | 0:20:28 | |
but I said, "I don't mind", so obviously he had a price against it and I bought it. | 0:20:28 | 0:20:31 | |
-You did? -We've never had it on display within the house, we keep it in the corner. | 0:20:31 | 0:20:34 | |
-I'm not surprised. -My friend would agree with you! | 0:20:34 | 0:20:37 | |
And what did you have to give for it? | 0:20:39 | 0:20:40 | |
-I had to give £50. -£50? -Yes. | 0:20:40 | 0:20:42 | |
-Well. -That wasn't too bad, was it? | 0:20:42 | 0:20:44 | |
-It's got quite an Indian influence to it. -Yes. | 0:20:44 | 0:20:48 | |
With these ivory-tusk handles and this lid, which is really bizarre, | 0:20:48 | 0:20:53 | |
looks a bit like a pith helmet, but with a feather on top. | 0:20:53 | 0:20:56 | |
Reminiscent of the raj. But the most interesting | 0:20:56 | 0:21:00 | |
thing about this piece is the maker's mark on the bottom. | 0:21:00 | 0:21:04 | |
-Right. -The mark "H & H" | 0:21:04 | 0:21:06 | |
is for the firm of Hukin and Heath. | 0:21:06 | 0:21:08 | |
Now, they were most famous for producing articles for Dr Christopher Dresser, | 0:21:08 | 0:21:16 | |
who was a very well-known designer from the 1880s. | 0:21:16 | 0:21:20 | |
And that's about the date this piece was made. | 0:21:20 | 0:21:24 | |
It's a really wonderful example of Victorian kitsch. | 0:21:24 | 0:21:26 | |
The good news is though, even something as rather weird as this... | 0:21:28 | 0:21:34 | |
-Yes. -..There's a market for. -Oh, good. | 0:21:34 | 0:21:37 | |
And I wouldn't be surprised if somebody paid £300 or £400 for it. | 0:21:37 | 0:21:42 | |
Mm, well that's an interesting seeing I only paid £50 for it. | 0:21:42 | 0:21:46 | |
-Well, you've done very well. Thank you very much. -Not at all, delighted to be here. | 0:21:46 | 0:21:50 | |
So tell me all about this. | 0:21:51 | 0:21:53 | |
Just move those up a little bit. | 0:21:53 | 0:21:55 | |
Let's get comfortable over here. | 0:21:55 | 0:21:58 | |
OK. Let's just pop it there. | 0:22:00 | 0:22:02 | |
Can I say... Car boot sale again, Sunday morning. | 0:22:02 | 0:22:05 | |
-Were you with your dad at the time? -He was, yes. | 0:22:05 | 0:22:08 | |
-Did you, did you want your dad to buy this? -Yes, I did. -You did? -Yes. | 0:22:08 | 0:22:10 | |
Did you fancy playing with it yourself? | 0:22:10 | 0:22:13 | |
No, I wouldn't play with it, because it looked old when I was looking at it, | 0:22:13 | 0:22:16 | |
because it was in an old condition and I think it was just used for a model, used for modelling. | 0:22:16 | 0:22:22 | |
I think you may well be right there in some respects. | 0:22:22 | 0:22:25 | |
Um, it says on here... | 0:22:25 | 0:22:28 | |
"Uncle Wiggily's Crazy Car", um, and what's this...? "Copyright", | 0:22:28 | 0:22:35 | |
and we've got there "Howard Garis". | 0:22:35 | 0:22:39 | |
Now, he's the man who invented Uncle Wiggily. | 0:22:39 | 0:22:43 | |
He was invented in the early part of the 20th century for the Newark News in America, just outside New York. | 0:22:43 | 0:22:53 | |
Mention Uncle Wiggily to any American over the age of 60 and they'll know | 0:22:53 | 0:22:57 | |
exactly who you're talking about, but over here he's a bit of a rarity, bit of a rarity. | 0:22:57 | 0:23:03 | |
Now I notice on the back, just above that tie there... | 0:23:03 | 0:23:07 | |
-Germany. -Germany, so I am pretty well convinced that your car | 0:23:07 | 0:23:12 | |
was made by a firm called Distler, and they were known for making these tin-plate toys. | 0:23:12 | 0:23:19 | |
-What date would it have been made? -This, I would suggest, is around about 1925. -'25, that's nice. | 0:23:19 | 0:23:25 | |
Mm, so it's quite a... quite an ancient vehicle. | 0:23:25 | 0:23:28 | |
-The point is, it's all down to condition when it comes to the value of something like this. -Yes, yes. | 0:23:28 | 0:23:33 | |
However, having said all that, it obviously begs the question | 0:23:33 | 0:23:37 | |
as to exactly how much did you end up paying for | 0:23:37 | 0:23:40 | |
Uncle Wiggily's Crazy Car? | 0:23:40 | 0:23:43 | |
Well, um, I paid 40 euros, be about...a little less than £20 sterling, that's what I paid for it. | 0:23:43 | 0:23:50 | |
But I... I just had a feeling about it, that's all, so I just couldn't leave it there, you know? | 0:23:50 | 0:23:54 | |
Yes, you couldn't. You had to take it home with you. | 0:23:54 | 0:23:57 | |
It was a good instinct, I think there's every chance | 0:23:57 | 0:24:00 | |
that if this came up for auction, that the bidding would be somewhere between £800 and possibly £1,000. | 0:24:00 | 0:24:08 | |
-Sterling? -Sterling. -That's very good. -And that's the good news. | 0:24:08 | 0:24:13 | |
-Yes. -The bad news, which is not really relevant, is that if | 0:24:14 | 0:24:18 | |
it had been in perfect condition, one of these was sold in London not so very long ago for £4,000. | 0:24:18 | 0:24:24 | |
Wow. | 0:24:24 | 0:24:26 | |
-So it, it's worth getting up in the mornings, isn't it? -Yes. | 0:24:26 | 0:24:31 | |
If you can find treasure like this. | 0:24:31 | 0:24:33 | |
When I was evacuated to Somerset during the war, one of the highlights was | 0:24:34 | 0:24:38 | |
the arrival of the American troops who were stationed there for a while before they were taken off to D-Day. | 0:24:38 | 0:24:43 | |
They got to Northern Ireland quite a while before they got to Somerset | 0:24:43 | 0:24:47 | |
though, as this week's collector, David Fitzsimmons will bear witness. | 0:24:47 | 0:24:50 | |
David, you weren't around at the time, so why are you so interested in the Yanks? | 0:24:50 | 0:24:54 | |
Well, about ten years ago | 0:24:54 | 0:24:57 | |
I heard me Uncle Gerald and my father talking about an | 0:24:57 | 0:25:01 | |
American soldier that used to come to my grandmother's during the war | 0:25:01 | 0:25:04 | |
and they knew he was killed in the war but they didn't actually know what actually happened | 0:25:04 | 0:25:09 | |
to the man, where he ended up, or one thing and another, and I thought, "I'll look into this." | 0:25:09 | 0:25:14 | |
I happened to be searching on the website one day and I come up with this site "World War II Search", | 0:25:14 | 0:25:21 | |
and I put in his details and up he come, Iris L Bradshaw, the plot, the row and his grave. | 0:25:21 | 0:25:27 | |
He's buried in Laurent-Sur-Mer in France and I sent the details over to my Uncle Jim | 0:25:27 | 0:25:33 | |
in England and he was delighted - he actually then went over to visit the | 0:25:33 | 0:25:36 | |
-grave and you can see the picture of the grave, there. -So this is it? | 0:25:36 | 0:25:39 | |
-Yes, this is it, there, yes. -And where was that? | 0:25:39 | 0:25:42 | |
That's in Laurent-Sur-Mer... That's near Omaha Beach, there. | 0:25:42 | 0:25:46 | |
That's amazing to be able to follow and find out not only what happened to the man but where he rests. | 0:25:46 | 0:25:52 | |
Why were so many of the troops stationed here in Derry? | 0:25:52 | 0:25:56 | |
Derry was the first European port that the US Navy had actually got. | 0:25:56 | 0:26:01 | |
This was the closest, they accounted the first European port and they needed a deep-water port, | 0:26:01 | 0:26:06 | |
so they dredged the place, they dredged that port down there, | 0:26:06 | 0:26:10 | |
but they were actually neutral when they did it, so they knew then | 0:26:10 | 0:26:12 | |
they were going to have plans, they would be here some day. | 0:26:12 | 0:26:15 | |
It was quite a thing, wasn't it, the families would kind of adopt the troops? | 0:26:15 | 0:26:19 | |
Well, there was a lot of young soldiers | 0:26:19 | 0:26:21 | |
between the ages of 18 and 22, and they were a long way from home, literally 3,000 miles, and they | 0:26:21 | 0:26:26 | |
couldn't get no leave to get back home, not like the British soldiers, | 0:26:26 | 0:26:32 | |
so the COs of the different units said at that time, | 0:26:32 | 0:26:35 | |
"Would you please adopt a soldier, you know, take him into your family and share your home with him?" | 0:26:35 | 0:26:41 | |
The girls found them attractive, hence the GI brides, got evidence of that? | 0:26:41 | 0:26:46 | |
Well, yes, as you can see here... | 0:26:46 | 0:26:48 | |
This is a young local girl and she's by the name of Phoebe Ford, | 0:26:48 | 0:26:53 | |
and she met this fellow here, he's called Ellis Hench and he's from Alabama | 0:26:53 | 0:27:00 | |
and he was in the tanks, he met this young local girl and they married, | 0:27:00 | 0:27:05 | |
so they did, and she's now, now this man has passed on, | 0:27:05 | 0:27:09 | |
so he has, but this lady's still alive and she's 80-odd and she's still living in Alabama. | 0:27:09 | 0:27:14 | |
-And he survived the war? -And he survived the war. There's another picture there, taken in the '70s. | 0:27:14 | 0:27:20 | |
See them wee things will tell a story, just like I got a phone call one night from a lady in Derby, | 0:27:20 | 0:27:26 | |
she was going to marry an American soldier | 0:27:26 | 0:27:28 | |
and she regretted not marrying him before he left here. | 0:27:28 | 0:27:32 | |
She never found out, he'd actually wrote letters when he left here, | 0:27:32 | 0:27:36 | |
they were going to get married, but she never actually found out until her mother died | 0:27:36 | 0:27:40 | |
that he'd sent letters to her mother but the mother wouldn't let her see them. | 0:27:40 | 0:27:44 | |
-Like a movie script, isn't it? -It's sad. | 0:27:44 | 0:27:46 | |
These are extraordinary insights into that time. Why do you think your collection is important? | 0:27:46 | 0:27:52 | |
Well, I think there's an emotional side to it all. I believe every piece tells a story | 0:27:52 | 0:27:58 | |
and I believe these young men, they were only 18-20, average age, like, and they come | 0:27:58 | 0:28:03 | |
an awful long way to fight for our freedom, 3,000 mile, and a lot of them didn't get home. | 0:28:03 | 0:28:09 | |
And I would say to the people, especially older people that took | 0:28:09 | 0:28:14 | |
an American soldier into their home, the Lord bless you for that, | 0:28:14 | 0:28:18 | |
because that's the last piece of home them young lads would have received, | 0:28:18 | 0:28:23 | |
because a lot of them, as you can see, went out there and they didn't come home. | 0:28:23 | 0:28:27 | |
They ended up dead. So I think it's worth it to preserve that, | 0:28:27 | 0:28:30 | |
you know, because they did come a long way for our freedom. | 0:28:30 | 0:28:32 | |
This is very attractive silk binding you've got on here. | 0:28:35 | 0:28:40 | |
-Everything she had, had lovely things. -Who is she? | 0:28:40 | 0:28:43 | |
My great aunt. I mean folders of paintings that her mother had done, beautifully bound. | 0:28:43 | 0:28:50 | |
-Was she a traveller? -Yes, very much so. | 0:28:50 | 0:28:52 | |
-Where did she go, do you know? -She was born in Tasmania. | 0:28:52 | 0:28:55 | |
-Gosh. -And, er... It's a very long story. | 0:28:55 | 0:28:59 | |
-I can't possibly tell you, but I'm writing the history of it. -Oh, wonderful. | 0:28:59 | 0:29:02 | |
Yes, and then she married an Irishman eventually, and had | 0:29:02 | 0:29:07 | |
a home in County Tyrone at The Argory which is now National Trust. | 0:29:07 | 0:29:11 | |
We've got here an inscription on this album which says, "Rice drawings collected in Cheltenham, 1833." | 0:29:11 | 0:29:21 | |
-Mm, they were bought in Cheltenham. -They were bought in Cheltenham. | 0:29:21 | 0:29:24 | |
They would have been not very old at the time, 1820s maybe, | 0:29:24 | 0:29:30 | |
but they were almost new when they were bought. | 0:29:30 | 0:29:34 | |
This is called rice paper. | 0:29:35 | 0:29:37 | |
I don't know where the word came from, I suppose it looks like cooked rice | 0:29:37 | 0:29:42 | |
or something and people imagine it's made from rice, it's not, | 0:29:42 | 0:29:45 | |
it's pith and the pith comes from a tree | 0:29:45 | 0:29:49 | |
which largely grew in Formosa | 0:29:49 | 0:29:51 | |
and it was then imported into Canton as paper and then these were painted | 0:29:51 | 0:29:58 | |
in Canton, and I mean, it's a huge industry, and | 0:29:58 | 0:30:02 | |
they did them from the 18th century right through into the 20th century. | 0:30:02 | 0:30:07 | |
What paint did they use? | 0:30:07 | 0:30:09 | |
It's actually what we would call gouache - watercolour with body colour - | 0:30:09 | 0:30:14 | |
and that would give you a greater depth and a strength. | 0:30:14 | 0:30:19 | |
But the colours are so vibrant and zinging at you. | 0:30:19 | 0:30:22 | |
I mean, this is... | 0:30:22 | 0:30:25 | |
170 years old and it's absolutely... | 0:30:25 | 0:30:29 | |
as fresh as... | 0:30:29 | 0:30:31 | |
And they've been in the folder and the light has | 0:30:31 | 0:30:34 | |
-been absent. -That's it, exactly. | 0:30:34 | 0:30:36 | |
So we've got a basket of flowers, a traditional Chinese subject there, and another one, which is | 0:30:36 | 0:30:42 | |
wonderful - that is just magic, that. | 0:30:42 | 0:30:47 | |
The colours are extraordinary, aren't they? | 0:30:51 | 0:30:54 | |
They are. Oh, isn't that wonderful? | 0:30:54 | 0:30:56 | |
-You could eat that! -God, that's good! -Very tempting. | 0:30:56 | 0:31:00 | |
"The nutmeg in the shell, 1832." Oh, so we've gone back a year from the early one anyway. | 0:31:00 | 0:31:07 | |
-Yes. -So that's what a nutmeg looks like. And a tree-frog. | 0:31:07 | 0:31:10 | |
No, it is that way, isn't it? | 0:31:17 | 0:31:18 | |
Because they're hanging down, gourds. Cucumbery-type things hanging down there and butterflies. | 0:31:18 | 0:31:24 | |
This is fantastic. | 0:31:24 | 0:31:26 | |
A live, a live butterfly. | 0:31:26 | 0:31:28 | |
Do you have a favourite? | 0:31:29 | 0:31:30 | |
I think, yes, these last two. Not so much those ones, but this, I think. | 0:31:30 | 0:31:36 | |
It's wonderful, isn't it? | 0:31:36 | 0:31:38 | |
Gorgeous. | 0:31:38 | 0:31:39 | |
Well, I think you've actually got a really quite expensive album here, | 0:31:39 | 0:31:45 | |
because, A, the quality is so good, B, the condition is perfect, | 0:31:45 | 0:31:50 | |
C, you've got very good subject matter, | 0:31:50 | 0:31:53 | |
you haven't got people having their heads chopped off | 0:31:53 | 0:31:56 | |
and hands chopped off, which they did rather a lot. | 0:31:56 | 0:31:59 | |
-I know, I know. -Um, botanical things are always popular, | 0:31:59 | 0:32:01 | |
butterflies are always popular. | 0:32:01 | 0:32:04 | |
I think we're looking at somewhere around... | 0:32:04 | 0:32:08 | |
£2,000-£2,500. | 0:32:09 | 0:32:11 | |
I had no idea, but I've always thought they were wonderful. | 0:32:12 | 0:32:15 | |
-You were right. Thank you very much. -Thank you. | 0:32:15 | 0:32:19 | |
Do you know what this is made of? | 0:32:19 | 0:32:21 | |
No, I haven't a notion at all. | 0:32:21 | 0:32:23 | |
Can't believe it, the intricacy of it. Do you know it is human hair? | 0:32:23 | 0:32:28 | |
It is human hair. | 0:32:31 | 0:32:33 | |
It is with little tiny beads. | 0:32:33 | 0:32:36 | |
It's a pin cushion. | 0:32:37 | 0:32:38 | |
It's dated 1812. | 0:32:38 | 0:32:41 | |
That is just so unusual. | 0:32:41 | 0:32:44 | |
I've never seen one all of human hair - what a lot of work! Are you a seamstress yourself? | 0:32:44 | 0:32:49 | |
-No, I'm not. -I would... | 0:32:49 | 0:32:51 | |
It's difficult to put a price on it. | 0:32:51 | 0:32:52 | |
I suppose it could be worth £300, it could be worth £3. It's really a question of who would want it. | 0:32:52 | 0:32:58 | |
So where did you get this fellow from then? | 0:32:58 | 0:33:01 | |
I got it about 18 months ago at an auction. | 0:33:01 | 0:33:04 | |
-How much did you pay for it? -£30. -£30! £30! Look at that. | 0:33:04 | 0:33:10 | |
I was... | 0:33:10 | 0:33:11 | |
It was an early-morning auction and I was still suffering from the night before. | 0:33:11 | 0:33:16 | |
So, were you in need of a wheelchair particularly or, or, what was the plan? | 0:33:16 | 0:33:20 | |
Plan, twofold. | 0:33:20 | 0:33:22 | |
-Yes. -One, it would get me back from the pub on a Saturday night. | 0:33:22 | 0:33:27 | |
-Oh, yes. -My wife would always would have transport for me. | 0:33:27 | 0:33:30 | |
Save the taxi. | 0:33:30 | 0:33:32 | |
-Thank you, yes, yes. -Yes. -And secondly perhaps, you know, it may be useful. -Advancing years. -Yes. | 0:33:32 | 0:33:37 | |
Well, I'll tell you, you want to be really careful on this chap, see all these little holes here? | 0:33:37 | 0:33:42 | |
That's the hungry woodworm. I mean, lose a bit of weight | 0:33:42 | 0:33:45 | |
before you depend on this for your method of transportation. | 0:33:45 | 0:33:49 | |
The other thing that I think is interesting is it's cheaply made of beech, | 0:33:49 | 0:33:51 | |
because suddenly in 1914, you needed not one or two of these, but several hundred thousand of these fellows. | 0:33:51 | 0:34:02 | |
And every long ward on a First World War hospital - and they converted lots of country houses for these | 0:34:02 | 0:34:08 | |
gassed chaps to escape to - had one of these at the end of the bed and the poor military patient | 0:34:08 | 0:34:16 | |
would have been wheeled outside and stuck out in the fresh air with the traditional blanket over him, | 0:34:16 | 0:34:21 | |
and that's why we've got this plaque here, see? | 0:34:21 | 0:34:24 | |
"E & R Garrould, Hospital Furnishers, London W." See that? | 0:34:24 | 0:34:30 | |
-Yes. -That's because those people supplied top end | 0:34:30 | 0:34:32 | |
of half a million of these things to the Red Cross and the St John's and off they went to the hospital. | 0:34:32 | 0:34:38 | |
Lightweight, very easy to use. | 0:34:38 | 0:34:41 | |
Do you know something? I think this is £30 very well spent. | 0:34:41 | 0:34:45 | |
You know, just occasionally, I see a piece of furniture and you think...double-take. | 0:34:49 | 0:34:56 | |
It's not a very good expression but you stop and look again because there is something extra about it | 0:34:56 | 0:35:03 | |
and this table has that quality, so tell me the family history. | 0:35:03 | 0:35:08 | |
I assume family history because it looks like it's come from the family. | 0:35:08 | 0:35:11 | |
-Um, well no, actually, it was bought at a local auction. -Really? | 0:35:11 | 0:35:16 | |
About 17, 18 years ago. We had it about three or four years | 0:35:16 | 0:35:22 | |
and a gentleman came in and was admiring it | 0:35:22 | 0:35:26 | |
and we turned it over, and there was a maker's stamp on it. | 0:35:26 | 0:35:31 | |
-It is stamped? -It is stamped, yes. | 0:35:31 | 0:35:33 | |
Let's have a look. Who's it by? Let's roll it forward and then just tip it back. | 0:35:33 | 0:35:38 | |
-Well, it's by... -Straight on the floor is fine. OK. | 0:35:38 | 0:35:42 | |
-Where is it? -It's here. | 0:35:42 | 0:35:44 | |
Oh, there. | 0:35:44 | 0:35:46 | |
-T Seddon. -T Seddon, whoever he was. | 0:35:47 | 0:35:51 | |
Seddon was the great family of furniture makers from the 18th century | 0:35:51 | 0:35:56 | |
but this isn't 18th century, so Mr T Seddon... | 0:35:56 | 0:36:00 | |
-Well, I did look it up on the internet. -Ah! And? | 0:36:00 | 0:36:03 | |
And I found Seddon, but then there's so many T Seddons. | 0:36:03 | 0:36:08 | |
It seemed everybody... every generation seemed to have a Thomas Seddon, | 0:36:08 | 0:36:13 | |
so I gave up. I got totally confused. | 0:36:13 | 0:36:17 | |
Well, what we have to do is to establish a T Seddon, | 0:36:17 | 0:36:20 | |
and looking at the date of the table, from its design, | 0:36:20 | 0:36:25 | |
we can, it has to be 1870 or 1860, it's that sort of period. | 0:36:25 | 0:36:31 | |
And that would have been a grandson of George Seddon. | 0:36:31 | 0:36:34 | |
-Right. -We know where he was working and we know that he worked for a company in London | 0:36:34 | 0:36:39 | |
and we know that some of Seddon's work, T Seddon's work, went into the exhibition of 1862. | 0:36:39 | 0:36:45 | |
The first tables you'll see like this were just prior to a man called Pugin. | 0:36:45 | 0:36:49 | |
It was a late-Regency design and it came in in the 1810-1815 period, | 0:36:49 | 0:36:56 | |
and lasted through to the Houses of Parliament. | 0:36:56 | 0:36:59 | |
And here you've got a host of different timbers, | 0:36:59 | 0:37:02 | |
all of which, when this was new, would have been bright colours. | 0:37:02 | 0:37:06 | |
This is a type of burr, it's almost, it's a sycamore, | 0:37:06 | 0:37:10 | |
but it has a particular cut to it. This would have been bright green, it was dyed with oxide of iron. | 0:37:10 | 0:37:16 | |
-Oh. -This is purple heart, this would have been a deep purple. | 0:37:16 | 0:37:21 | |
Oh, it must have been fabulous once. | 0:37:21 | 0:37:23 | |
Well, yes, but it's lovely now. | 0:37:23 | 0:37:25 | |
This is a type of partridge wood here, which has this wonderful cross-grain. | 0:37:25 | 0:37:31 | |
Again, vibrant colours. Blacks and whites when new. Fabulous. | 0:37:31 | 0:37:36 | |
-Right. -And how much did you pay for it? | 0:37:36 | 0:37:38 | |
I think it was about £460, £470. | 0:37:38 | 0:37:42 | |
-Really? -Yeah. | 0:37:42 | 0:37:44 | |
Do you think it's worth that? | 0:37:44 | 0:37:46 | |
-Oh, yes. -Good. | 0:37:46 | 0:37:48 | |
I think if you were to insure it, up it a little bit... | 0:37:48 | 0:37:51 | |
to... | 0:37:51 | 0:37:52 | |
..Probably £12,000. | 0:37:53 | 0:37:55 | |
12,000?! | 0:37:57 | 0:37:59 | |
You're joking. | 0:37:59 | 0:38:00 | |
-Aye, you are joking. -No. | 0:38:01 | 0:38:03 | |
It's wonderful, it's wonderful. | 0:38:03 | 0:38:06 | |
I wonder were there two of them there that day?! | 0:38:06 | 0:38:09 | |
It's just a joy to see and a very important piece of furniture. | 0:38:09 | 0:38:14 | |
SHE MOUTHS | 0:38:14 | 0:38:16 | |
-12,000. -God. | 0:38:16 | 0:38:18 | |
I understand that you are the dean of one of the two cathedrals, St Columbs in Londonderry. | 0:38:21 | 0:38:27 | |
Yes, that's right. | 0:38:27 | 0:38:29 | |
Um, what actually made you decide to bring these along today? | 0:38:29 | 0:38:33 | |
They've been in the keeping of the cathedral for a few centuries now, | 0:38:33 | 0:38:37 | |
and in fact these pieces, the collecting plates and | 0:38:37 | 0:38:41 | |
the flagons, they come from the collection of one of the bishops. | 0:38:41 | 0:38:45 | |
-Right. -Going right back to the 1680s, a man called Bishop Ezekiel Hopkins. | 0:38:45 | 0:38:51 | |
OK, because I notice that they've... | 0:38:51 | 0:38:53 | |
All of these pieces have an inscription on them. | 0:38:53 | 0:38:56 | |
-Yes, they've got his name on. -On this one it says... | 0:38:56 | 0:38:59 | |
"The gift of Ezekiel, Lord Bishop of Derry, | 0:39:00 | 0:39:05 | |
"to the Cathedral Church of Derry, 1683." | 0:39:05 | 0:39:10 | |
That's right, the year they were given to the cathedral. | 0:39:10 | 0:39:13 | |
Right, well, if I tell you that these are | 0:39:13 | 0:39:17 | |
probably the finest bits of silver I have ever seen on an Antiques Roadshow | 0:39:17 | 0:39:22 | |
you can understand that I'm getting a bit excited about this. | 0:39:22 | 0:39:27 | |
-Sure. -This is the stuff dreams are made of, for us. -Really? | 0:39:27 | 0:39:30 | |
They are truly truly great rarities. | 0:39:30 | 0:39:34 | |
-Are they? -Yeah, and the great thing about this is its colour. | 0:39:34 | 0:39:39 | |
-It's got a glorious dark grey colour, this is absolutely typical of the period it was made. -Right, yes. | 0:39:39 | 0:39:48 | |
And this is a Communion flagon, for the Communion wine and it was made | 0:39:48 | 0:39:54 | |
in 1655, a lot earlier than the inscription. | 0:39:54 | 0:39:59 | |
-Right. -..In Dublin. | 0:39:59 | 0:40:01 | |
Now, if this was an English-made flagon, | 0:40:01 | 0:40:05 | |
it wouldn't be worth anything like what it is as an Irish one. | 0:40:05 | 0:40:09 | |
It has this very wide flared base that's absolutely typical | 0:40:09 | 0:40:13 | |
-of flagons made in the Commonwealth period, the mid-17th century. -Yes. | 0:40:13 | 0:40:20 | |
We have another one over there, and I've noticed, | 0:40:20 | 0:40:25 | |
looking at the makers, that they are actually by two different makers but made in the same year. | 0:40:25 | 0:40:32 | |
-Yes. -Both 1655. | 0:40:32 | 0:40:34 | |
I have to tell you that the records of Irish silver at that date | 0:40:35 | 0:40:41 | |
are so thin on the ground that I can't actually tell you who the makers are. Right. | 0:40:41 | 0:40:47 | |
But they have got a lovely set of marks stamped around the side here. | 0:40:47 | 0:40:51 | |
Oh, yes. | 0:40:51 | 0:40:53 | |
-And we also have a pair of alms dishes here. -Yes. | 0:40:54 | 0:40:59 | |
-These are actually made in London in 1674. -Right. | 0:40:59 | 0:41:05 | |
What I have to ask you is, are these used on a regular basis or...? | 0:41:05 | 0:41:10 | |
Yes, oh, they are. Yes, they're used week by week. | 0:41:10 | 0:41:13 | |
-All these...all these pieces are. -All these pieces? | 0:41:13 | 0:41:16 | |
But they're kept under very tight security in the cathedral, they're well and securely locked away. | 0:41:16 | 0:41:22 | |
Well, I was just going to say to you that | 0:41:22 | 0:41:25 | |
-something as special as these really should only be used on special occasions. -Right. | 0:41:25 | 0:41:33 | |
And...because these are so early, these flagons, and because they are Irish, | 0:41:33 | 0:41:41 | |
I have to tell you that this group on the table here | 0:41:41 | 0:41:46 | |
is worth in excess of £100,000. | 0:41:46 | 0:41:49 | |
-Are they really? -Yes, yes. | 0:41:49 | 0:41:53 | |
These are so rare, they are so wonderful, they're in such lovely condition, they really are. | 0:41:53 | 0:42:00 | |
-Absolutely amazing. -They are just so fine, | 0:42:00 | 0:42:03 | |
so rare it's been a total and utter privilege and excitement for me to see these today. | 0:42:03 | 0:42:10 | |
-Well, thank you very much. -Thank you. -It's good to talk with you. | 0:42:10 | 0:42:13 | |
It's always interesting to follow up items that appear on the Roadshow and this painting, or the original, | 0:42:14 | 0:42:20 | |
is a Roadshow veteran. Where and when was this? | 0:42:20 | 0:42:23 | |
Well, in 1999 I brought the original of this painting to the Roadshow in Coleraine | 0:42:23 | 0:42:28 | |
and it was valued between £60,000 and £80,000. | 0:42:28 | 0:42:31 | |
That was in 1999, what's happened to it since? | 0:42:31 | 0:42:34 | |
Well, since that, because of the value of it, we now show it, | 0:42:34 | 0:42:37 | |
-it belongs to St Columb's cathedral and we now show it in the National Gallery in Dublin. -Perfect home. | 0:42:37 | 0:42:41 | |
-Yes. -Did you bring anything today? | 0:42:41 | 0:42:43 | |
We did, we brought some silver. | 0:42:43 | 0:42:46 | |
-Nice result? -Oh, yes. | 0:42:46 | 0:42:48 | |
But the great thing is, of course, that we'll now be able to follow up | 0:42:48 | 0:42:50 | |
on our next visit to Northern Ireland, the things that we've seen today in Derry. | 0:42:50 | 0:42:54 | |
So, until that time, from Derry, goodbye. | 0:42:54 | 0:42:58 |