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Arnold Bennett once wrote that you couldn't drink from a teacup | 0:00:35 | 0:00:39 | |
without the aid of Staffordshire pottery towns. | 0:00:39 | 0:00:42 | |
Well, it's tea time. Today we're in Burslem, | 0:00:42 | 0:00:45 | |
the Mother Town of the six that form the city of Stoke-on-Trent. | 0:00:45 | 0:00:51 | |
Then its proud claim has been put to the test in the years between | 0:00:51 | 0:00:55 | |
with competition flooding in from the other side of the world. | 0:00:55 | 0:00:58 | |
But the flag still flies and with all the imports from the Far East, | 0:00:58 | 0:01:02 | |
it's nice to raise a pinkie at a tea set that's only had to cross a | 0:01:02 | 0:01:06 | |
few metres of water to get here. | 0:01:06 | 0:01:08 | |
By the Trent and Mersey Canal you'll find the Victorian | 0:01:13 | 0:01:17 | |
pottery of Middleport the home of Burleigh ware. | 0:01:17 | 0:01:20 | |
Built in 1888 by William Burgess and his partner Frederick Leigh | 0:01:20 | 0:01:24 | |
it was recognised in its day as the model pottery - efficient, profitable | 0:01:24 | 0:01:29 | |
and good to its workforce. | 0:01:29 | 0:01:31 | |
Generation after generation have | 0:01:31 | 0:01:34 | |
helped produce fine quality earthenware here, and with the | 0:01:34 | 0:01:37 | |
passing of the years very little has changed in the production process. | 0:01:37 | 0:01:41 | |
Pottery from here has been shipped all over the world. | 0:01:41 | 0:01:45 | |
When you walk through the pottery's main gates you half expect to | 0:01:55 | 0:01:58 | |
come across young William and Frederick planning their next line. | 0:01:58 | 0:02:03 | |
An entry in Leigh's day book gives a hint of his philosophy. | 0:02:03 | 0:02:07 | |
"Be frugal, that which will not make a pot will make a pot lid." | 0:02:07 | 0:02:12 | |
There are literally thousands of dusty old moulds here | 0:02:15 | 0:02:20 | |
waiting to be rediscovered. | 0:02:20 | 0:02:22 | |
Some of them were eagerly snapped up by Middleport | 0:02:22 | 0:02:25 | |
after other potteries closed nearby. | 0:02:25 | 0:02:28 | |
Burleigh's speciality is something called underglaze transfer printing. | 0:02:32 | 0:02:37 | |
It's a skill that's been practised for over 200 years. | 0:02:37 | 0:02:40 | |
It was once an everyday technique but Burleigh is the last pottery | 0:02:40 | 0:02:46 | |
in the world still using it. | 0:02:46 | 0:02:48 | |
Sadly after all the years of glory | 0:02:50 | 0:02:52 | |
the company very nearly came to a disastrous end. | 0:02:52 | 0:02:55 | |
Five generations of the Leigh family had run the business but by 1999 | 0:02:55 | 0:02:59 | |
they were in financial difficulties and the receivers were called in. | 0:02:59 | 0:03:05 | |
At the eleventh hour a couple from | 0:03:06 | 0:03:08 | |
Hampshire with only £400 in their current | 0:03:08 | 0:03:10 | |
bank account stepped into the breach and mounted an audacious rescue bid. | 0:03:10 | 0:03:15 | |
More of that later. | 0:03:15 | 0:03:18 | |
It would be nice to think that some ancient items of Burleigh ware | 0:03:22 | 0:03:26 | |
will find their way home today. | 0:03:26 | 0:03:28 | |
Our ceramics team are licking their lips, they're also crossing their | 0:03:28 | 0:03:32 | |
fingers, the weather forecast isn't good but when did that ever stop us? | 0:03:32 | 0:03:37 | |
They all originally belonged to my grandfather who worked | 0:03:37 | 0:03:40 | |
at Middleport pottery for over 50 years, so they were all his. | 0:03:40 | 0:03:44 | |
And he left them to me | 0:03:44 | 0:03:46 | |
and they're just a little collection of things. | 0:03:46 | 0:03:49 | |
Was he a potter here, what was his job? | 0:03:49 | 0:03:51 | |
He was a warehouse master. Cross-warehouse. | 0:03:51 | 0:03:53 | |
-And these things I suppose he just acquired while he was working here. -Basically. | 0:03:53 | 0:03:58 | |
I mean these really in a way show the variety of wares that | 0:03:58 | 0:04:01 | |
were produced here in its greatest period during the 1930s, '40s, when they really understood glazes. | 0:04:01 | 0:04:07 | |
Let's look at the colours here. This jug is a bit of an oddity in a way | 0:04:07 | 0:04:12 | |
because it shouldn't be in these colours. | 0:04:12 | 0:04:15 | |
Here we've got a jug that was modelled in the 1850s, 1860s | 0:04:15 | 0:04:19 | |
in a very tame colour, but here it's been brought up-to-date. | 0:04:19 | 0:04:23 | |
When did he join the factory? | 0:04:23 | 0:04:26 | |
1928. | 0:04:26 | 0:04:28 | |
Because here we've got the colours of the early '30s | 0:04:28 | 0:04:31 | |
that's when he was there, but it's actually on the bottom there | 0:04:31 | 0:04:34 | |
there's a little maker's mark, | 0:04:34 | 0:04:36 | |
that's the registration lozenge for the Victorian period, | 0:04:36 | 0:04:40 | |
that mark says it was made in the 1860s, but it wasn't. | 0:04:40 | 0:04:44 | |
The old moulds, they stayed in the factory, that long tradition, | 0:04:44 | 0:04:48 | |
and they reused the old moulds | 0:04:48 | 0:04:50 | |
and here they produced a Victorian jug in the 1930s colours. | 0:04:50 | 0:04:53 | |
I mean, this sense of modelling they produced, did your grandfather | 0:04:53 | 0:04:57 | |
-know the modellers and work with them? -He knew Earnest Bailey. | 0:04:57 | 0:05:01 | |
Oh, Earnest Bailey of course was perhaps the epitome of the modellers here, just a superb work, isn't he? | 0:05:01 | 0:05:08 | |
This is one of his designs, isn't it? | 0:05:08 | 0:05:10 | |
How much more decoration can you get in one jug? | 0:05:10 | 0:05:13 | |
Just look at it, church interior, there's the - what's it - | 0:05:13 | 0:05:17 | |
bell ringers, Oh, I see. The bells ringers Jack of Lincoln. | 0:05:17 | 0:05:22 | |
And signed on the bottom by... | 0:05:22 | 0:05:23 | |
Bailey sculpt it. | 0:05:23 | 0:05:25 | |
Yes, of course. | 0:05:25 | 0:05:27 | |
He produced the original model from which these were moulded | 0:05:27 | 0:05:30 | |
and cast here, what 1948. | 0:05:30 | 0:05:33 | |
I mean, not an awful lot was being done at that time | 0:05:33 | 0:05:37 | |
and especially locally. These were of course wartime restrictions, | 0:05:37 | 0:05:40 | |
were still export only, they couldn't really be sold locally. | 0:05:40 | 0:05:44 | |
-That's another one of Bailey's work, isn't it? -Uh-huh. | 0:05:44 | 0:05:47 | |
It's a marvellous idea of a jug, isn't it? | 0:05:47 | 0:05:51 | |
There one sees all around it - that's not just a vessel, it's the | 0:05:51 | 0:05:55 | |
bottle kiln, the big kiln we're sitting underneath the shadow of | 0:05:55 | 0:05:59 | |
and there is Edmund Leigh the first chairman of Burgess and Leigh. | 0:05:59 | 0:06:03 | |
Made as a very proud piece. So these came down to you of course | 0:06:03 | 0:06:08 | |
in the family. What do you think of them? | 0:06:08 | 0:06:10 | |
I'm not particularly keen on these two but I love this one. | 0:06:10 | 0:06:13 | |
I think this is fun and, that's a beautiful piece of pottery and I really enjoy that piece. | 0:06:13 | 0:06:18 | |
This is really a very different design altogether, this is... | 0:06:18 | 0:06:21 | |
it's tube-lining, isn't it, drawing the patterns out in colours. | 0:06:21 | 0:06:26 | |
Very different but equally great workman from the factory here, | 0:06:26 | 0:06:30 | |
or work lady because there we have the mark of Charlotte Rhead. | 0:06:30 | 0:06:34 | |
You don't see much of the Rhead pieces on the Burleigh ware. | 0:06:34 | 0:06:38 | |
It's sort of something which... It's again, is this a | 0:06:38 | 0:06:41 | |
prototype that stayed in, was given in the family, I presume. | 0:06:41 | 0:06:44 | |
It was presented to him when he retired. | 0:06:44 | 0:06:46 | |
What a lovely piece to be given. | 0:06:46 | 0:06:48 | |
One knows that these factory, the Burleigh wares are becoming | 0:06:48 | 0:06:52 | |
more and more appreciated but it's still relatively new to collectors | 0:06:52 | 0:06:56 | |
compared to other factories but it's growing steadily in market. | 0:06:56 | 0:06:59 | |
A simple moulded jug like this, you're looking at what, sort of | 0:06:59 | 0:07:02 | |
£150 for an unusual jug like that. | 0:07:02 | 0:07:06 | |
They are affordable I think. | 0:07:06 | 0:07:09 | |
Even the great eccentric jugs like this, | 0:07:09 | 0:07:12 | |
They're going to be £200, £300. | 0:07:12 | 0:07:14 | |
Lovely bits of pottery for that, aren't they? They're great. | 0:07:14 | 0:07:18 | |
That's a rare prototype jug, not many were made of those pieces, | 0:07:18 | 0:07:23 | |
today what are we gonna be - £400 rising. | 0:07:23 | 0:07:28 | |
But they're going up, they're going up. | 0:07:28 | 0:07:30 | |
These are scarce things. People are looking at them in a new way because they've got the quality. | 0:07:30 | 0:07:35 | |
And here, Charlotte Rhead's work is popular anywhere, | 0:07:35 | 0:07:40 | |
and a rare piece in Burleigh, | 0:07:40 | 0:07:42 | |
so I mean that's going to be again, I suppose £500. | 0:07:42 | 0:07:45 | |
OK, brilliant. Excellent. | 0:07:45 | 0:07:47 | |
I bought it from a church fete in Cheshire last year | 0:07:50 | 0:07:54 | |
and it was among some costume jewellery and it | 0:07:54 | 0:07:56 | |
sort of stuck out and I asked how much it was and it was 25 pence. | 0:07:56 | 0:08:03 | |
-So not an outrageous sum of money. -No, no. -No. | 0:08:03 | 0:08:06 | |
Let me tell you a little bit about it, it's gold, | 0:08:06 | 0:08:09 | |
and the gold wreath border is set throughout with little pearls, | 0:08:09 | 0:08:14 | |
and there's a little tiny monogram here, a letter, with pearls | 0:08:14 | 0:08:17 | |
and tiny diamond chips in the letter here. | 0:08:17 | 0:08:20 | |
And then you have a blue enamelled | 0:08:20 | 0:08:24 | |
field, it's got a circular gold back, and did you wonder | 0:08:24 | 0:08:27 | |
at what this little mechanism was at the back there? | 0:08:27 | 0:08:30 | |
-Yes. -You've got two little pin holes and the idea would be that you would | 0:08:30 | 0:08:35 | |
take a screwdriver and you would put this little peg-like screwdriver | 0:08:35 | 0:08:39 | |
into the back and you would twiddle it, | 0:08:39 | 0:08:42 | |
you'd unscrew it, and the front would fall out and you | 0:08:42 | 0:08:46 | |
-could replace that blue plaque with a different colour plaque. -OK, OK. | 0:08:46 | 0:08:51 | |
So what this is, is a gold pendant that was probably made in let's say | 0:08:51 | 0:08:56 | |
1900, 1905 - so it's the start of the 20th century. | 0:08:56 | 0:09:00 | |
Gold, pearls, blue enamel and diamonds and you paid 25 pence. | 0:09:00 | 0:09:06 | |
-That's correct. -In a fete for it. -That's correct. | 0:09:06 | 0:09:09 | |
Well, if it happened to be by one of the great craftsmen Faberge, | 0:09:09 | 0:09:13 | |
Cartier, believe me that would be one of the ultimate finds, it's not. | 0:09:13 | 0:09:17 | |
-OK. -There are no makers marks on it at all that I can see. | 0:09:17 | 0:09:21 | |
Because of that I think we have | 0:09:21 | 0:09:23 | |
to be a little bit careful not to go too high with it. | 0:09:23 | 0:09:25 | |
But nevertheless I think if someone had that letter if their name began | 0:09:25 | 0:09:30 | |
with that particular A letter, I should think that someone would | 0:09:30 | 0:09:33 | |
-be delighted to pay something in the region of £500 for it. -God. | 0:09:33 | 0:09:37 | |
So your 25 pence was a very good investment. | 0:09:37 | 0:09:41 | |
-Certainly gave me a good profit then. -Yes, well done you. | 0:09:41 | 0:09:44 | |
Have you noticed how accurate our weather forecasters have been getting, | 0:09:44 | 0:09:48 | |
they've been promising us rain for days and here it is on the dot. | 0:09:48 | 0:09:52 | |
What we do on these occasions is | 0:09:52 | 0:09:54 | |
onwards and inwards, as it happens it is a weekend | 0:09:54 | 0:09:58 | |
and the workers are away from their pottery benches which means that | 0:09:58 | 0:10:01 | |
there is space in there for us to move in, so let's do it. | 0:10:01 | 0:10:05 | |
Isn't that gorgeous? I love that beautiful sweep | 0:10:05 | 0:10:09 | |
round with, with the object but where did you get it from? | 0:10:09 | 0:10:12 | |
Well, it's actually my mother's and I think it came from her mother - | 0:10:12 | 0:10:16 | |
she was very, very keen on, on sort of country house | 0:10:16 | 0:10:19 | |
sales and that sort of thing. Mother says it's something like £12.50. | 0:10:19 | 0:10:23 | |
-Right. -So. -Yes, not bad. | 0:10:23 | 0:10:26 | |
It's actually very exciting. | 0:10:26 | 0:10:27 | |
Cos what we've got here is the mark of C R Ashbee. | 0:10:27 | 0:10:33 | |
Now, C R Ashbee was the chap who bought William Morris' idea | 0:10:33 | 0:10:39 | |
of a guild work, the Arts and Crafts movement into effect, | 0:10:39 | 0:10:44 | |
from a point of view of silver. | 0:10:44 | 0:10:46 | |
Look at the handles, the way those - there's actually two wires joined together, | 0:10:46 | 0:10:51 | |
and then, splitting at the top, | 0:10:51 | 0:10:53 | |
and then just that little plate. | 0:10:53 | 0:10:55 | |
And right at the end of the wire, how it just spreads. | 0:10:55 | 0:11:00 | |
Now that actually is quite an early feature, | 0:11:00 | 0:11:02 | |
other thing to particularly notice, | 0:11:02 | 0:11:05 | |
can you see as I turned in the light, | 0:11:05 | 0:11:07 | |
that slightly rippley effect on the surface? | 0:11:07 | 0:11:10 | |
Now that is what's known as the final planishing. | 0:11:10 | 0:11:14 | |
-It's hand-done? -Everything's hand-made. | 0:11:14 | 0:11:18 | |
Because in fact, this was really a revolution against industrialisation | 0:11:18 | 0:11:22 | |
so you had a small group of men working together. | 0:11:22 | 0:11:25 | |
Each using their own particular skills to create the object. | 0:11:25 | 0:11:29 | |
The marks are fascinating because what standard London marks there, | 0:11:29 | 0:11:34 | |
with the date for 1900 but that mark is jolly rare, | 0:11:34 | 0:11:38 | |
it's the CRA mark, the C R Ashbee as opposed to G of H limited mark | 0:11:38 | 0:11:44 | |
for the guild of handicraft. Any thoughts on its worth? | 0:11:44 | 0:11:47 | |
Probably a bit more than £12.50, I would think. It's a beautiful piece. | 0:11:47 | 0:11:51 | |
Right, certainly more than £12.50, at least £13. | 0:11:51 | 0:11:55 | |
-OK. -No, no seriously. | 0:11:55 | 0:11:58 | |
At auction if it was Guild Handicraft normal mark I would | 0:11:58 | 0:12:02 | |
-be thinking 3,000, 4,000 quite easily. -Gosh. | 0:12:02 | 0:12:06 | |
That mark is going to push it up cos it is so rare. | 0:12:06 | 0:12:09 | |
And I think we're looking more around the 5,000 mark. | 0:12:09 | 0:12:13 | |
Right, OK, that's, that's very, very nice. | 0:12:13 | 0:12:16 | |
-Good old granny. -Yes, well done. | 0:12:16 | 0:12:18 | |
At the beginning of the show I mentioned the brave act of | 0:12:20 | 0:12:23 | |
a couple from Hampshire who came to the rescue of the company when they got into trouble back in 1999. | 0:12:23 | 0:12:28 | |
And they are Rosemary and Will Dorling. | 0:12:28 | 0:12:30 | |
Now you lived in 200 miles away from here | 0:12:30 | 0:12:33 | |
down in Hampshire, what was your connection with Burgess and Leigh? | 0:12:33 | 0:12:37 | |
We had a china shop in Winchester near the cathedral and we specialised | 0:12:37 | 0:12:42 | |
in Staffordshire ceramics, so we didn't buy anything from Italy or | 0:12:42 | 0:12:45 | |
Portugal or the Far East, we just had a passion for English ceramics. | 0:12:45 | 0:12:49 | |
Hence Burgess and Leigh. | 0:12:49 | 0:12:52 | |
-And is this jug part of the output? -That's right, this jug was made 100 years ago at this factory, | 0:12:52 | 0:12:57 | |
fired in a bottle oven and given to us as a wedding present | 0:12:57 | 0:12:59 | |
before we even knew about Burgess and Leigh. | 0:12:59 | 0:13:01 | |
So you knew the product, you wanted to help | 0:13:01 | 0:13:04 | |
but how were you able to help? | 0:13:04 | 0:13:06 | |
In 1999 we heard that the pottery had gone into liquidation | 0:13:06 | 0:13:09 | |
and it got to 11 hours before the deadline the receiver wanted | 0:13:09 | 0:13:13 | |
all his offers in, but we decided we'd go and see our bank manager and | 0:13:13 | 0:13:16 | |
put an offer in for the business. | 0:13:16 | 0:13:18 | |
We decided we'd take the business to a modern unit and we would start | 0:13:18 | 0:13:22 | |
again and this poor old factory would be left behind to the developers. | 0:13:22 | 0:13:26 | |
But after we saw our bank manager who said he'd loan us against our house | 0:13:26 | 0:13:31 | |
for the business, we walked out into the street in Winchester | 0:13:31 | 0:13:34 | |
and met our old neighbour who said you've got to keep the two together, | 0:13:34 | 0:13:38 | |
you must keep that fantastic Victorian building and the business together | 0:13:38 | 0:13:42 | |
and I'll arrange a commercial mortgage for you. | 0:13:42 | 0:13:45 | |
Had we not met Peter in the street, we wouldn't today be in this wonderful factory. | 0:13:45 | 0:13:49 | |
we thought this has to be the last tribute to the people of Stoke-on-Trent, | 0:13:49 | 0:13:53 | |
who gave their lives in horrendous conditions to make art. | 0:13:53 | 0:13:56 | |
So, an intriguing box. | 0:13:56 | 0:13:59 | |
And is this something from your family? | 0:13:59 | 0:14:01 | |
Yes, it is. My grandmother's brother - | 0:14:01 | 0:14:05 | |
they're originally from Poland - was caught by the German soldiers | 0:14:05 | 0:14:10 | |
and put in a prisoner of war camp, and what he used to do is, | 0:14:10 | 0:14:14 | |
as you can see he's very artistic, he used to make little figurines of | 0:14:14 | 0:14:18 | |
fairytales for the German soldiers to send back to their family. | 0:14:18 | 0:14:22 | |
And in turn they used to give him a little bit extra food | 0:14:22 | 0:14:25 | |
and he used to keep some of the materials aside and what he did | 0:14:25 | 0:14:29 | |
was he made this little set of a Polish fairytale called Maria the Orphan, for his niece. | 0:14:29 | 0:14:39 | |
To send back to...she was only three at the time, and then the soldiers | 0:14:39 | 0:14:42 | |
sent it back to her after the camp was closed. | 0:14:42 | 0:14:48 | |
That's amazing. I mean, these are so beautiful, I particularly love | 0:14:48 | 0:14:52 | |
this little dog. | 0:14:52 | 0:14:54 | |
-It's beautiful. -It's just gorgeous. | 0:14:54 | 0:14:56 | |
I remember this is giving a lot away, I remember having a | 0:14:56 | 0:14:59 | |
-set of these little very similar farmyard set in the 1950s. -Oh, OK. | 0:14:59 | 0:15:05 | |
So they were obviously very popular then. | 0:15:05 | 0:15:08 | |
-They're incredibly well done. -So detailed. | 0:15:08 | 0:15:10 | |
I think my set in the '50s was slightly more rustic than this. | 0:15:10 | 0:15:14 | |
I think it's had a lot, a lot of talent. And it's just | 0:15:14 | 0:15:18 | |
so wonderful having all these, the geese, what was the story? | 0:15:18 | 0:15:22 | |
It was about Maria The Orphan, it's similar to the English fairytale of Red Riding Hood. | 0:15:22 | 0:15:27 | |
-If it was to sell, I could see it going for you know, £150, £200. -Yeah. | 0:15:27 | 0:15:34 | |
But its value is ten times that. | 0:15:34 | 0:15:36 | |
-Definitely. -It's just an amazing story | 0:15:36 | 0:15:39 | |
and amazing set and it's fabulous that it's stayed in the family. | 0:15:39 | 0:15:42 | |
Thank you, thank you. | 0:15:42 | 0:15:44 | |
It's a family picture. | 0:15:46 | 0:15:49 | |
Was in my grandparents' house and certainly I remember - | 0:15:49 | 0:15:53 | |
I've been told - as a small child in my family used to holiday in Iona, | 0:15:53 | 0:15:58 | |
most years with my mum, when my grandfather was growing up. | 0:15:58 | 0:16:02 | |
And this is by Cadell, one of the Glasgow artists | 0:16:02 | 0:16:06 | |
and painted in the 1920s perhaps, when did they have it, do you suppose? | 0:16:06 | 0:16:15 | |
I know that my grandfather was in India, there was three generations of | 0:16:15 | 0:16:20 | |
the family in India and he came back in the early 1930s. | 0:16:20 | 0:16:24 | |
-Right. -So that's as clearly as | 0:16:24 | 0:16:25 | |
-I could date it. -And he'll have bought it new. -I think he'll have bought it then. | 0:16:25 | 0:16:29 | |
Cadell was apparently a very jolly | 0:16:29 | 0:16:32 | |
man and I think his light-hearted character comes out in the | 0:16:32 | 0:16:36 | |
picture, lovely bright colours, very quick paintwork and so on. | 0:16:36 | 0:16:39 | |
It's a man who's really enjoying life I think, don't you? | 0:16:39 | 0:16:43 | |
-I love the colours. -Cadell studied in Paris at | 0:16:43 | 0:16:46 | |
the end of the 19th century, 1899 to about 1905, something like that. | 0:16:46 | 0:16:51 | |
And at that time there was a great movement for painting | 0:16:51 | 0:16:55 | |
outside and "plein air" painting and the Scots really picked up on this. | 0:16:55 | 0:17:00 | |
And through the 1920s and '30s - he dies I think in 1933 - | 0:17:00 | 0:17:05 | |
he went to Iona every year for his holidays and | 0:17:05 | 0:17:10 | |
so on, do you recognise this particular view? | 0:17:10 | 0:17:13 | |
No I don't, no I suspect my father might have been able, | 0:17:13 | 0:17:16 | |
but he's no longer with us but I don't know that particular one. | 0:17:16 | 0:17:19 | |
I just love this use of this bright splashes of colour which draw your eye into the picture. | 0:17:19 | 0:17:25 | |
It's just absolutely full of life - it sings, doesn't it? | 0:17:25 | 0:17:28 | |
It's a wonderful picture. | 0:17:28 | 0:17:30 | |
Well, I mean he's really one of the most desirable of all the | 0:17:30 | 0:17:34 | |
Scottish colourists really and a picture like this today would make | 0:17:34 | 0:17:39 | |
somewhere between £30,000 and £40,000. | 0:17:39 | 0:17:42 | |
SHE LAUGHS | 0:17:42 | 0:17:44 | |
I had no idea! | 0:17:47 | 0:17:48 | |
When we took the show to Toronto in Canada a few years ago | 0:17:59 | 0:18:02 | |
a queue formed separately and quite spontaneously and consisted of | 0:18:02 | 0:18:07 | |
Henry Sandon fans who simply wanted to kiss the great man. | 0:18:07 | 0:18:11 | |
Well, he has been oozing charm and his great knowledge of ceramics for 29 of the show's 30 years. | 0:18:11 | 0:18:16 | |
Henry we're always celebrating big valuations and huge reactions | 0:18:16 | 0:18:20 | |
but some of the things that have | 0:18:20 | 0:18:22 | |
landed on the ceramics table have really changed people's lives. | 0:18:22 | 0:18:25 | |
Yes, the biggest one I suppose came in Northampton. | 0:18:25 | 0:18:28 | |
A lovely lady brought | 0:18:28 | 0:18:29 | |
a slipware model of an owl made in Staffordshire. | 0:18:29 | 0:18:32 | |
It's a remarkable | 0:18:32 | 0:18:33 | |
example of a rare class of things, so rare that I | 0:18:33 | 0:18:39 | |
for many, many years I've never had the privilege of handling one. | 0:18:39 | 0:18:43 | |
So it's a joy to have it. | 0:18:43 | 0:18:46 | |
-I don't know what you or your father think it's worth. Any ideas? -We don't, no. | 0:18:46 | 0:18:51 | |
-Do you know what I think its value is? -No. | 0:18:51 | 0:18:53 | |
Are you comfortably sitting there? | 0:18:53 | 0:18:57 | |
Yes, I'm OK. | 0:18:57 | 0:18:59 | |
Something between about £20,000 and £30,000. | 0:18:59 | 0:19:04 | |
-Good gracious, never! -£20,000 and £30,000. | 0:19:04 | 0:19:07 | |
Oh, my word. | 0:19:07 | 0:19:09 | |
She subsequently sold it at auction and the auction house didn't make a | 0:19:09 | 0:19:13 | |
commission charge at all - very kind of them - and she used | 0:19:13 | 0:19:18 | |
a large chunk of the money to help the Salvation Army | 0:19:18 | 0:19:23 | |
use for adopting children in Sao Paulo and the rest of it she used to | 0:19:23 | 0:19:28 | |
bring up her own adopted children - six adopted children, and... | 0:19:28 | 0:19:34 | |
I have Christmas cards from these, they call themselves the Owlets | 0:19:34 | 0:19:38 | |
because it all came from the owl, these are some Christmas cards I've had which says, | 0:19:38 | 0:19:42 | |
"Happy Christmas from the Owlets", which is nice and, | 0:19:42 | 0:19:45 | |
and they even sent me a calendar which I've taken the calendar off | 0:19:45 | 0:19:49 | |
but there's Ozzie the owl and on the back of it said, | 0:19:49 | 0:19:52 | |
"He came out of his nest and is now roosting in Stoke-on-Trent. | 0:19:52 | 0:19:56 | |
"From Mrs Owl and the Owlets", it's lovely. | 0:19:56 | 0:19:59 | |
I can almost cap that but not quite the goods back in 2002 | 0:19:59 | 0:20:05 | |
I gave you a slight surprise when I crept up to you one day and said, | 0:20:05 | 0:20:08 | |
Henry Sandon, This Is Your Life, do you remember that by any chance? | 0:20:08 | 0:20:12 | |
It was a dreadful shock I nearly died. | 0:20:12 | 0:20:16 | |
And now I have this wonderful book with them all, my history inside it. | 0:20:16 | 0:20:20 | |
-That was a happy day wasn't it? -It was a very, very happy day, I've never forgotten it. | 0:20:20 | 0:20:25 | |
Well, one final surprise for you Henry, you first met this person | 0:20:25 | 0:20:28 | |
in 1987, and like you, he's become extremely popular but I know you | 0:20:28 | 0:20:33 | |
have a very special relationship all the way from the Potteries Museum himself. Ozzie the Owl. | 0:20:33 | 0:20:40 | |
Ozzie the Owl, Ozzie the Owl! Oh, bless his little boots, | 0:20:40 | 0:20:44 | |
-thank you, thank you very much. -Together at last. | 0:20:44 | 0:20:48 | |
Oh. | 0:20:48 | 0:20:50 | |
"Be all right with the freak and funky Jimi Hendrix", classic. | 0:20:50 | 0:20:54 | |
What a classic line, and what can I say, Jimi Hendrix's autograph | 0:20:54 | 0:20:59 | |
it's fantastic and, it's in an autograph book with bits of Mitch Mitchell's drumsticks as well, | 0:20:59 | 0:21:07 | |
Jimi Hendrix's drummer. How d'you happen to have these? | 0:21:07 | 0:21:10 | |
Well, we just went to see Jimi - it was April 1967 and we were just waiting | 0:21:10 | 0:21:17 | |
-outside on the stage door, me and my friend. -Where was he playing? | 0:21:17 | 0:21:20 | |
Hanley, the Gaumont. | 0:21:20 | 0:21:22 | |
The Gaumont at Hanley and this was the bill that he was on with the Walker Brothers. | 0:21:22 | 0:21:27 | |
-Cat Stevens, Engelbert Humperdinck. -Yeah. -Bit of a strange mixture actually but actually I must admit | 0:21:27 | 0:21:33 | |
I like Scott Walker as a musician and this was an interesting tour | 0:21:33 | 0:21:36 | |
because I don't know whether you know, Jimi worked his way up the bill | 0:21:36 | 0:21:40 | |
becoming more infamous at every gig that he played. | 0:21:40 | 0:21:44 | |
So, what was he like then, to watch? | 0:21:44 | 0:21:47 | |
What was he like? Well, we didn't actually see him play. | 0:21:47 | 0:21:50 | |
-Right. -We were schoolgirls | 0:21:50 | 0:21:52 | |
we couldn't afford to go in. So we just waited at the stage door. | 0:21:52 | 0:21:56 | |
-Terrible thing to ask a lady, how old were you? -I was 15. My friend was 14. | 0:21:56 | 0:22:00 | |
-Right, OK. And obviously he came out and you got his... -Yeah, came out | 0:22:00 | 0:22:05 | |
and he was really friendly, he was chatting to us and we had the autographs, | 0:22:05 | 0:22:09 | |
but then, a bit of drama occurred because, someone | 0:22:09 | 0:22:13 | |
actually stole his guitar as it was being loaded onto the bus | 0:22:13 | 0:22:17 | |
for them to go home, this person ran up the street, we ran up | 0:22:17 | 0:22:20 | |
following Jimi and his entourage. | 0:22:20 | 0:22:22 | |
You gave pursuit after Jimi Hendrix's guitar? | 0:22:22 | 0:22:25 | |
Yeah, anyway, he managed to stop the | 0:22:25 | 0:22:27 | |
person and actually got the guitar back. | 0:22:27 | 0:22:30 | |
It's a fascinating tale I have to say, and this, | 0:22:30 | 0:22:33 | |
what's this, this bit of Beano? | 0:22:33 | 0:22:34 | |
He actually got on the bus after this and he was reading it | 0:22:34 | 0:22:38 | |
and then, the engine started and he was going to back | 0:22:38 | 0:22:43 | |
to home or whatever and then he pushed that through the window | 0:22:43 | 0:22:46 | |
as a souvenir and also | 0:22:46 | 0:22:49 | |
the ring, he took the ring off his finger. | 0:22:49 | 0:22:52 | |
-That's Jimi Hendrix's ring? -Yes. | 0:22:52 | 0:22:54 | |
-So he gave you that? -Yeah. -As well. | 0:22:54 | 0:22:56 | |
-Yeah. -Looks like something out of a Christmas cracker. -I know. -Can I have a look at it? | 0:22:56 | 0:23:01 | |
It is something out of a Christmas cracker, isn't it? But I suppose | 0:23:01 | 0:23:04 | |
at the time that was not important. Hold on a sec, I've got to wear it. | 0:23:04 | 0:23:08 | |
It's just like him, he was flamboyant. | 0:23:08 | 0:23:10 | |
Well, I'm quite flamboyant as well. Do you think it suits me? | 0:23:10 | 0:23:13 | |
It's a little bit small for me, it fits on my little finger. | 0:23:13 | 0:23:16 | |
It is a Christmas cracker ring, but at the end of the day, | 0:23:16 | 0:23:20 | |
it's not quality that's important here - that's Hendrix's ring. | 0:23:20 | 0:23:24 | |
Had you ever thought about what a little thing like this is worth? | 0:23:24 | 0:23:28 | |
No. | 0:23:28 | 0:23:29 | |
Given there's a little bit more to it than an average autograph page, | 0:23:29 | 0:23:34 | |
and this particularly, even though in real terms is worth tuppence, | 0:23:34 | 0:23:38 | |
I think the whole lot is going to make £500 to £700 at auction. | 0:23:38 | 0:23:44 | |
Yeah. | 0:23:44 | 0:23:45 | |
So it's a great little thing. | 0:23:45 | 0:23:47 | |
And I have to say, the story makes it. Thank you very much. | 0:23:47 | 0:23:51 | |
OK, thank you. | 0:23:51 | 0:23:52 | |
I went to a market and I saw it on a stall and I liked it. | 0:23:55 | 0:23:59 | |
I thought it had no particular value but it was aesthetically pleasing. | 0:24:02 | 0:24:07 | |
-And you purchased it for how much? -About £10 I think. | 0:24:07 | 0:24:09 | |
About £10, OK. > | 0:24:09 | 0:24:11 | |
It was the enamel that appealed as well and the signature. | 0:24:11 | 0:24:14 | |
Ah, the signature. | 0:24:14 | 0:24:15 | |
Signature. I thought the signature was slightly familiar to me. | 0:24:15 | 0:24:19 | |
I was going to say, you've obviously noticed the signature | 0:24:19 | 0:24:22 | |
Rhead - it's there, something's in the conscience? | 0:24:22 | 0:24:26 | |
The name Rhead within this region is actually quite an important dynasty, | 0:24:26 | 0:24:30 | |
we have 3 generations of important artists, designers who were working | 0:24:30 | 0:24:34 | |
around this area from George, the, let's call him the grandfather, | 0:24:34 | 0:24:38 | |
who actually established the Fenton School of Art, to Frederick F Rhead | 0:24:38 | 0:24:43 | |
who worked for a number of important pottery manufacturers in this area, | 0:24:43 | 0:24:48 | |
and let's call her the granddaughter, Charlotte Rhead, | 0:24:48 | 0:24:51 | |
who of course is one of those names just synonymous | 0:24:51 | 0:24:54 | |
with the 1920s and '30s and the Art Deco period. | 0:24:54 | 0:24:57 | |
And Charlotte actually spent an important part of her early career | 0:24:57 | 0:25:01 | |
working here at Burgess and Leigh. | 0:25:01 | 0:25:03 | |
Your plaque, though, is clearly signed F Rhead, and I'm happy to say | 0:25:03 | 0:25:08 | |
that we've got a Frederick Rhead, we're middle generation, | 0:25:08 | 0:25:14 | |
and we're on a tile panel and in terms of date, | 0:25:14 | 0:25:18 | |
we're looking at a date fairly specifically between 1908 and 1910. | 0:25:18 | 0:25:23 | |
Now around those years Frederick actually went into business with | 0:25:23 | 0:25:27 | |
a gentleman called F H Barker, and they established a tile company | 0:25:27 | 0:25:31 | |
at the Atlas Tile works. | 0:25:31 | 0:25:33 | |
It was a fairly short-lived exercise, actually, | 0:25:33 | 0:25:36 | |
and the company dissolved after two years, and what we're looking at | 0:25:36 | 0:25:40 | |
here is a piece that is obviously hand-executed by Frederick who was | 0:25:40 | 0:25:44 | |
actually a very accomplished artist who trained under a name | 0:25:44 | 0:25:49 | |
you'll also probably have heard of, Louis Solon, at Minton. | 0:25:49 | 0:25:52 | |
The heritage is there, it's all starting to fall into place, | 0:25:52 | 0:25:57 | |
and I think it's safe to say that your £10 purchase was actually | 0:25:57 | 0:26:00 | |
quite modest and a very good acquisition on the day, because | 0:26:00 | 0:26:05 | |
I feel if this were to come up in a saleroom, I'd be quite confident | 0:26:05 | 0:26:09 | |
in putting a pre-sale estimate of £500 to £800 on it, | 0:26:09 | 0:26:13 | |
it's a wonderful piece, | 0:26:13 | 0:26:14 | |
and I'm so glad you brought it along today. | 0:26:14 | 0:26:16 | |
Thank you. | 0:26:16 | 0:26:18 | |
Someone I didn't expect to see at the Roadshow today is Nick Hancock. | 0:26:21 | 0:26:25 | |
Surely you've got better things to do than come and see us. | 0:26:25 | 0:26:27 | |
-You'd have thought so. -I would. | 0:26:27 | 0:26:29 | |
But it is Stoke On Trent on Sunday afternoon, it was either you or the launderette, | 0:26:29 | 0:26:33 | |
-and the laundrette's shut. -And we won. | 0:26:33 | 0:26:35 | |
Only cos it's shut, yeah. | 0:26:35 | 0:26:37 | |
-So why are you here. -Well, I was desperate to bring along a few things | 0:26:37 | 0:26:41 | |
that were relevant to the city and relevant to Stoke City Football Club, | 0:26:41 | 0:26:44 | |
the team I support, so I'd be interested to know what you think. | 0:26:44 | 0:26:49 | |
You've been a Stoke City man and boy, all your life, haven't you? | 0:26:49 | 0:26:52 | |
Yes, I have I had no real choice, my grandfather used to take me and, | 0:26:52 | 0:26:55 | |
and my father, so yes. | 0:26:55 | 0:26:57 | |
In Roadshow terms, a very high point in my life | 0:26:57 | 0:27:00 | |
was many years ago, we did a show in Trentham. | 0:27:00 | 0:27:03 | |
And Stanley Matthews came as a guest and I met him, | 0:27:03 | 0:27:06 | |
and it was absolute magic. | 0:27:06 | 0:27:08 | |
The great thing about Sir Stan was that he was a hero, | 0:27:08 | 0:27:12 | |
a local hero, but he was probably the first global sporting superstar, | 0:27:12 | 0:27:16 | |
as big as Beckham in a time when there wasn't the television about, | 0:27:16 | 0:27:20 | |
there wasn't the satellite channels and that sort of thing, | 0:27:20 | 0:27:23 | |
but he was a massive name, and he was from Stoke on Trent. | 0:27:23 | 0:27:26 | |
OK, so, are these to do with him? | 0:27:26 | 0:27:28 | |
Some of them are, yes. | 0:27:28 | 0:27:29 | |
I mean, I think probably the most important piece is this medal here, | 0:27:29 | 0:27:34 | |
which is the FA Cup winners medal which Stanley won in 1953, | 0:27:34 | 0:27:37 | |
because the whole of the nation had been willing Stanley to win. | 0:27:37 | 0:27:41 | |
He had to do it. He'd never done it. | 0:27:41 | 0:27:43 | |
He'd never won anything up till then. | 0:27:43 | 0:27:45 | |
It's, it's fantastic history. | 0:27:45 | 0:27:48 | |
I probably cherish this one more, | 0:27:48 | 0:27:51 | |
-because this is a medal he won when he was at Stoke City. -Right. | 0:27:51 | 0:27:54 | |
When they got promotion in 1963. | 0:27:54 | 0:27:56 | |
Stanley'd come back, Stan must have been 48 years of age, | 0:27:56 | 0:27:59 | |
the crowds came back with him and we finally won promotion, | 0:27:59 | 0:28:02 | |
then he scored the winning goal against Luton Town, and so that | 0:28:02 | 0:28:06 | |
is probably slightly more important to me because that as a Stoke fan. | 0:28:06 | 0:28:09 | |
-And that's real Roy of the Rovers stuff. -Yeah. | 0:28:09 | 0:28:11 | |
Scoring a winning goal. | 0:28:11 | 0:28:12 | |
Oh yes, the old chap comes back, | 0:28:12 | 0:28:14 | |
and the younger players'd give him the ball cos he could hold onto it | 0:28:14 | 0:28:17 | |
while they had a breather, it was a fantastic story. | 0:28:17 | 0:28:20 | |
So you collect memorabilia football stuff? | 0:28:20 | 0:28:22 | |
I do and if you're gonna ask me why, I'm not really sure, | 0:28:22 | 0:28:26 | |
and I suppose in some ways, it's just you have a connection with a team, | 0:28:26 | 0:28:30 | |
and you have a feeling for a player, | 0:28:30 | 0:28:32 | |
but it just makes it slightly more tangible to have something there. | 0:28:32 | 0:28:35 | |
I think things that have been part of someone famous are just magic. | 0:28:35 | 0:28:39 | |
What about the cap? | 0:28:39 | 0:28:40 | |
The cap, it has a sort of a link with Stanley Matthews, | 0:28:40 | 0:28:43 | |
it's a Gordon Banks cap. | 0:28:43 | 0:28:45 | |
when Stoke finally parted company with Sir Stanley and Sir Stanley | 0:28:45 | 0:28:48 | |
had been fantastic for them bringing money into the club, | 0:28:48 | 0:28:51 | |
we used to go on tours round the world, because Stanley was playing. | 0:28:51 | 0:28:54 | |
The first thing they did immediately was that they bought | 0:28:54 | 0:28:57 | |
Gordon Banks, another iconic player. | 0:28:57 | 0:28:59 | |
This cap is for the 1970 World Cup, | 0:28:59 | 0:29:01 | |
and I suppose, apart from winning the World Cup in 1966... | 0:29:01 | 0:29:05 | |
Yes, it wasn't a great World Cup. | 0:29:05 | 0:29:07 | |
It wasn't great for us and if, but, but of course Gordon was ill, | 0:29:07 | 0:29:09 | |
for the game we lost. | 0:29:09 | 0:29:11 | |
But he did make what was commonly considered... | 0:29:11 | 0:29:14 | |
-The greatest save. -The greatest save of all time. | 0:29:14 | 0:29:16 | |
-OK, so you collect these things, you buy them. -Yep. | 0:29:16 | 0:29:20 | |
And they're expensive, aren't they? | 0:29:20 | 0:29:22 | |
They can be very expensive, I tend to... | 0:29:22 | 0:29:24 | |
Like a lot of Stoke on Trent people I'm quite nosey, I'll go to the sale with no intention at all of bidding. | 0:29:24 | 0:29:29 | |
As we all do, but suddenly your hand creeps up. | 0:29:29 | 0:29:32 | |
"That should be staying in the city." | 0:29:32 | 0:29:34 | |
Yeah, OK. Can we ask? | 0:29:34 | 0:29:37 | |
The cap is in the thousands rather than the hundreds. | 0:29:37 | 0:29:40 | |
Yes. | 0:29:40 | 0:29:42 | |
Now, just below 10,000 I would have said. | 0:29:42 | 0:29:45 | |
This medal much, much more reasonable | 0:29:45 | 0:29:47 | |
-and yet strangely, the thing I cherish most. -Exactly, yes. | 0:29:47 | 0:29:50 | |
-That medal... -That's an expensive medal. | 0:29:50 | 0:29:53 | |
Yes, that's a very expensive medal that, tens of thousands probably. | 0:29:53 | 0:29:56 | |
-Well, 20. -20. | 0:29:56 | 0:29:58 | |
-Let's be precise. -20,000. | 0:29:58 | 0:29:59 | |
I think these are good investments, whatever you pay doesn't matter, | 0:29:59 | 0:30:04 | |
they're important things, they're important to you. | 0:30:04 | 0:30:06 | |
I think iconic things like that will hold their price. | 0:30:06 | 0:30:09 | |
Now I'm gonna say to you, you thought it was all over, but, stop. | 0:30:09 | 0:30:12 | |
-Well. -Hang on a minute. I've got a present for you. | 0:30:12 | 0:30:15 | |
Oh, right. | 0:30:15 | 0:30:16 | |
Stoke City, I think it's 1961, versus Liverpool. | 0:30:18 | 0:30:21 | |
How fantastic, thank you very much, that's wonderful. | 0:30:21 | 0:30:24 | |
-Well, it's better in your collection than in mine. -Thank you very much. | 0:30:24 | 0:30:27 | |
I suppose it's not a huge coincidence | 0:30:27 | 0:30:29 | |
that we've got a portrait of William Gladstone, cos he didn't live that far from here. | 0:30:29 | 0:30:33 | |
About 30-ish miles, I think. | 0:30:33 | 0:30:35 | |
-All right. -Just inside the Welsh border. | 0:30:35 | 0:30:37 | |
And, and where did you find him? | 0:30:37 | 0:30:39 | |
Antiques fair in Chester, Chester racecourse. | 0:30:39 | 0:30:42 | |
-Oh, really and you just came across this. -Yeah, just lying on the floor. | 0:30:42 | 0:30:45 | |
What did it look like when you first encountered the man. | 0:30:45 | 0:30:49 | |
He looked a mess really, there was a big hole and we had it restored | 0:30:49 | 0:30:55 | |
and we're just delighted with it. | 0:30:55 | 0:30:59 | |
So have you attempted to find anything out about it? | 0:30:59 | 0:31:02 | |
-Yes. Obviously, that's fairly prominent. -Which looks like a cipher. | 0:31:02 | 0:31:06 | |
Yes, and we have no idea, we looked on the internet, couldn't find it. | 0:31:06 | 0:31:11 | |
So we wrote to the National Portrait Gallery, just in case | 0:31:11 | 0:31:14 | |
they had a reference and they wrote back and said they | 0:31:14 | 0:31:17 | |
thought it was Henry Weigall, | 0:31:17 | 0:31:20 | |
and that they knew of the existence of a similar painting, | 0:31:20 | 0:31:24 | |
but that was it, we drew a blank. | 0:31:24 | 0:31:26 | |
Perhaps I can put you out of your misery and tell you | 0:31:26 | 0:31:29 | |
a little bit more about it. OK. | 0:31:29 | 0:31:30 | |
Well, the W at the bottom, the H W is indeed Henry Weigall, | 0:31:30 | 0:31:35 | |
who is an extremely interesting artist. | 0:31:35 | 0:31:38 | |
He married into aristocracy, and I suspect a little bit of wealth | 0:31:38 | 0:31:42 | |
as well, he married the daughter of the Earl of Westmoreland, | 0:31:42 | 0:31:47 | |
and through that I suspect he got a whole raft of great commissions, | 0:31:47 | 0:31:52 | |
got to the Royal Family, got to people like William Gladstone. | 0:31:52 | 0:31:55 | |
He painted predominantly for clubs and for regiments, | 0:31:55 | 0:32:00 | |
very Victorian style institutions, but he had a particular way about | 0:32:00 | 0:32:04 | |
him, he had a good solidity, | 0:32:04 | 0:32:06 | |
he in a sense epitomises the grand Victorian face. | 0:32:06 | 0:32:11 | |
The subject, William Gladstone, of course, is a subject | 0:32:11 | 0:32:15 | |
that many people will instantly recognise | 0:32:15 | 0:32:17 | |
but that's not surprising because he was really into his face. | 0:32:17 | 0:32:22 | |
In fact, at this time in politics people like Gladstone, people like | 0:32:22 | 0:32:26 | |
Disraeli understood the power of personality, the personality cult. | 0:32:26 | 0:32:31 | |
And through carte de visites and | 0:32:31 | 0:32:33 | |
portraits like this, they managed to get their image around. | 0:32:33 | 0:32:36 | |
Now Gladstone was a difficult man to paint, he's one of these people who | 0:32:36 | 0:32:40 | |
loved adversity, he loved to confront. | 0:32:40 | 0:32:42 | |
Queen Victoria loathed him, I gather, and said something like, | 0:32:42 | 0:32:46 | |
being addressed by him was as if being addressed to the public rally, | 0:32:46 | 0:32:50 | |
you know, he didn't talk gently, he just sort of lectured you. | 0:32:50 | 0:32:54 | |
Now, what we're dealing with here is something where we can | 0:32:54 | 0:32:58 | |
tick a few boxes. | 0:32:58 | 0:33:00 | |
It represents one of the most significant figures | 0:33:00 | 0:33:04 | |
in Victorian England, together with Disraeli. | 0:33:04 | 0:33:07 | |
Politically, they reigned supreme for a bit, one way and another. | 0:33:07 | 0:33:11 | |
It's painted at a time when he is prime minister, | 0:33:11 | 0:33:15 | |
it's an emotive period in his life. | 0:33:15 | 0:33:18 | |
Political portraiture, particularly for the collectors out there who want these things, | 0:33:18 | 0:33:22 | |
they like the idea of them being painted when the career is peaking, | 0:33:22 | 0:33:26 | |
when something exciting is happening. | 0:33:26 | 0:33:29 | |
Weigall is an artist who is rated. | 0:33:29 | 0:33:31 | |
I've actually had works by him, not of Gladstone but of Disraeli, | 0:33:31 | 0:33:36 | |
so I'm reasonably familiar with the artist. | 0:33:36 | 0:33:39 | |
Can I ask you what you paid for it? | 0:33:39 | 0:33:41 | |
£350. | 0:33:41 | 0:33:43 | |
And then we had it restored and reframed, | 0:33:43 | 0:33:47 | |
so we spent a total of about £700 altogether. | 0:33:47 | 0:33:51 | |
Well, I think you, you paid a rather good price, | 0:33:52 | 0:33:56 | |
because I would comfortably value this picture | 0:33:56 | 0:34:00 | |
at anywhere up to £20,000. | 0:34:00 | 0:34:03 | |
God! | 0:34:03 | 0:34:04 | |
Glad I'm sitting down. | 0:34:04 | 0:34:07 | |
Can't believe that. | 0:34:10 | 0:34:11 | |
What we have here is quite a spectacular looking thing, obviously | 0:34:12 | 0:34:15 | |
and it's quite strange, and in fact when we look at it, | 0:34:15 | 0:34:19 | |
we don't really know what it is, but it's what we call a street piano. | 0:34:19 | 0:34:23 | |
Now, this is the kind of thing that was originally made for a parlour, | 0:34:23 | 0:34:28 | |
it's really a piece for entertainment, | 0:34:28 | 0:34:31 | |
and you can imagine people in a parlour circa 1900, sitting there with this piece playing. | 0:34:31 | 0:34:36 | |
What's the story behind it, where did you acquire it? | 0:34:36 | 0:34:39 | |
It was acquired from my grandmother and it was left to me son. | 0:34:39 | 0:34:42 | |
Right, OK. | 0:34:42 | 0:34:43 | |
And it won't fit in my house so it's stored in the workshop. | 0:34:43 | 0:34:47 | |
-Right, OK. -It's the first time it's been out in 3 years. | 0:34:47 | 0:34:50 | |
So it's your responsibility, but it belongs to you. | 0:34:50 | 0:34:52 | |
It belongs to him. | 0:34:52 | 0:34:54 | |
Right, OK. And what do you think of this, do you like it? | 0:34:54 | 0:34:57 | |
I love it, it's really... I like the panels. | 0:34:57 | 0:35:01 | |
The panels are spectacular, aren't they? | 0:35:01 | 0:35:04 | |
And we've got back engraved mirrors here, | 0:35:04 | 0:35:06 | |
we've got coloured glasses, very much in the style of Tiffany, | 0:35:06 | 0:35:09 | |
some of these pieces, but all of those things are put together | 0:35:09 | 0:35:12 | |
to give the impression it's spectacular, | 0:35:12 | 0:35:14 | |
when in fact, actually, it was a fairly cheaply made thing. | 0:35:14 | 0:35:18 | |
Look at the quality of the case, I mean, most of this is oak, | 0:35:18 | 0:35:21 | |
in fact, there's an inscription across the top there which says, | 0:35:21 | 0:35:25 | |
"Jules Moisse Rue Jerusalem Vingt Cinq Schaerblek", | 0:35:25 | 0:35:32 | |
I can only just make that out. | 0:35:32 | 0:35:34 | |
What's interesting about that is it suggests to me that that might be | 0:35:34 | 0:35:37 | |
the maker, but what I've noticed here is that you've got a coin slot | 0:35:37 | 0:35:41 | |
up the top. That is not original to this piece of furniture. | 0:35:41 | 0:35:46 | |
That has been added afterwards, and that suggests to me that it | 0:35:46 | 0:35:49 | |
was then obviously later put perhaps into a cafe or something like that. | 0:35:49 | 0:35:54 | |
And now's the point at which we should open it because we can look at those sort of things. | 0:35:54 | 0:35:59 | |
What I'm going to do is have a look at this very carefully. | 0:35:59 | 0:36:03 | |
Let's lift out this central panel | 0:36:03 | 0:36:07 | |
and put it to one side. | 0:36:07 | 0:36:09 | |
And that reveals the mechanism to us and of course we have this barrel | 0:36:09 | 0:36:13 | |
here with the pins which as it spins are powered by a big clockwork | 0:36:13 | 0:36:17 | |
motor in the back, obviously operate the hammers as the pins pass. | 0:36:17 | 0:36:20 | |
Obviously on here on the frame we can see the name | 0:36:20 | 0:36:23 | |
well actually it says Brussels, so we know that it's Belgian, | 0:36:23 | 0:36:27 | |
Place de la Reine trois which | 0:36:27 | 0:36:29 | |
obviously is the place of which the frame was made, essentially. | 0:36:29 | 0:36:33 | |
I have to say I don't know how many tunes... | 0:36:33 | 0:36:36 | |
-Do you know how many tunes it plays? -Not sure. | 0:36:36 | 0:36:40 | |
Think it's eight, but I can't be sure on that. | 0:36:40 | 0:36:42 | |
Often these machines do have what we call eight airs or eight tunes. | 0:36:42 | 0:36:46 | |
Because obviously these rows of pins are in fact different tunes. | 0:36:46 | 0:36:50 | |
I mean you've been given a very interesting thing, that's one thing, | 0:36:50 | 0:36:54 | |
but in of course it does have value, and to someone who collects | 0:36:54 | 0:36:59 | |
these kind of pieces, who's interested in mechanical music, | 0:36:59 | 0:37:03 | |
I think if it had a little bit more work, a little bit more restoration done on it to bring it up to speed, | 0:37:03 | 0:37:09 | |
I think 2,000 to 3,000 at auction would be a nice estimate for it. | 0:37:09 | 0:37:13 | |
Having said that, I think we should run it. | 0:37:13 | 0:37:16 | |
I have no idea how to get it going. | 0:37:16 | 0:37:18 | |
Do you know how to get it going? | 0:37:18 | 0:37:19 | |
-Think so. -Right, OK, you're gonna have to show me, where do we start? | 0:37:19 | 0:37:23 | |
I think you have to turn the handle down here. | 0:37:23 | 0:37:26 | |
Right, OK, do you want to wind up the handle for me. | 0:37:26 | 0:37:29 | |
That's the clockwork handle, is it? | 0:37:29 | 0:37:31 | |
METALLIC PIANO TUNE PLAYS | 0:37:31 | 0:37:35 | |
Try it again. Bit more. | 0:37:35 | 0:37:38 | |
CACOPHONIC PIANO SOUND | 0:37:38 | 0:37:40 | |
Excellent. | 0:37:42 | 0:37:44 | |
PIANO TUNE EMERGES | 0:37:50 | 0:37:54 | |
TUNE CONTINUES | 0:38:00 | 0:38:02 | |
These are a curious pair of bowls, were did they come from? | 0:38:06 | 0:38:11 | |
I don't really know, | 0:38:11 | 0:38:14 | |
my father bought them in '47 in London, | 0:38:14 | 0:38:21 | |
I think he just saw them in the shop, | 0:38:21 | 0:38:23 | |
and thought they were nice, he liked them. | 0:38:23 | 0:38:26 | |
-The shop being... -Moss, Sydney Moss. | 0:38:26 | 0:38:28 | |
-Moss. Is that the receipt? -It is the original receipt. | 0:38:28 | 0:38:31 | |
Yes, Moss. | 0:38:31 | 0:38:34 | |
Well, we love bits of paper because they're always wrong! | 0:38:34 | 0:38:37 | |
But sometimes they're right. | 0:38:37 | 0:38:40 | |
Sydney Moss, well respected dealer, and here we've got a pair of | 0:38:40 | 0:38:45 | |
Chinese black glazed Famille Noire rice bowls and covers, | 0:38:45 | 0:38:50 | |
K'ang Hsi Period 1662 to 1722. | 0:38:50 | 0:38:54 | |
Well, that's what they said. | 0:38:54 | 0:38:56 | |
We don't know whether that's right yet. | 0:38:56 | 0:38:58 | |
And he paid in 1947, £105. | 0:39:00 | 0:39:06 | |
-Quite a bit then. -He could buy a house in London for that. | 0:39:06 | 0:39:09 | |
Could you? | 0:39:09 | 0:39:10 | |
You could, you could. | 0:39:10 | 0:39:12 | |
What do you like about them? | 0:39:12 | 0:39:14 | |
I like the red lining contrasting with the black. | 0:39:14 | 0:39:18 | |
OK, you say red lining, let's have a look. | 0:39:18 | 0:39:22 | |
Well, we would call that coral. | 0:39:22 | 0:39:25 | |
-Would you? -Yes, it is a coral colour. | 0:39:25 | 0:39:28 | |
And the Chinese developed it in the 17th century, | 0:39:28 | 0:39:32 | |
so that's quite feasible. | 0:39:32 | 0:39:35 | |
The combination of black and coral is actually quite rare. | 0:39:35 | 0:39:41 | |
-Is it? -You see this on porcelain extremely rarely. Extremely rarely. | 0:39:41 | 0:39:46 | |
They are made of porcelain, hard paste porcelain. | 0:39:46 | 0:39:50 | |
Fired at about 1,250 degrees centigrade and the colour, | 0:39:50 | 0:39:56 | |
the coral and the black are in fact enamels, | 0:39:56 | 0:40:00 | |
put on top and then fired again at a slight lower temperature. | 0:40:00 | 0:40:04 | |
I think probably, the reference in the colour scheme is to blacker, | 0:40:04 | 0:40:11 | |
which is often in red and black, I think it's probably that. | 0:40:11 | 0:40:15 | |
And they sit | 0:40:15 | 0:40:17 | |
on these lotus carved ivory stands. | 0:40:17 | 0:40:23 | |
I've never seen stands like that. | 0:40:23 | 0:40:25 | |
-Haven't you? -Never, they are absolutely fantastic. | 0:40:25 | 0:40:29 | |
Bit fallen off the bottom there, | 0:40:29 | 0:40:32 | |
which is | 0:40:32 | 0:40:35 | |
engraved with four Chinese characters. | 0:40:35 | 0:40:39 | |
And they read Woo Xian Cong Zeng, | 0:40:39 | 0:40:44 | |
which, excusing my appalling Chinese, means | 0:40:44 | 0:40:47 | |
"precious pavilion of the calm studies". | 0:40:47 | 0:40:51 | |
It's obviously a reference to your house. | 0:40:51 | 0:40:54 | |
That honestly should be stuck back and I'd be quite happy for | 0:40:56 | 0:41:00 | |
you to stick it back with anything, | 0:41:00 | 0:41:02 | |
rather than it getting lost, that would be a great tragedy. | 0:41:02 | 0:41:06 | |
And that's ones lost it. I mean, that's what happens. | 0:41:06 | 0:41:09 | |
-Lost when we had it. -I'm quite happy with the dating of K'ang Hsi. | 0:41:09 | 0:41:12 | |
-Are you? -I would think they dated, | 0:41:12 | 0:41:16 | |
very late 17th, early 18th century, right on the cusp of that period. | 0:41:16 | 0:41:23 | |
I think these are spectacular, | 0:41:23 | 0:41:29 | |
they are exactly the sort of thing which the Chinese, | 0:41:29 | 0:41:33 | |
now centre of the ceramics industry in the world... | 0:41:33 | 0:41:39 | |
whereas if you go back to the 19th century, | 0:41:39 | 0:41:45 | |
here was the centre of the ceramic world, | 0:41:45 | 0:41:48 | |
and where is all the stuff gone, | 0:41:48 | 0:41:50 | |
all the work that's gone from here, where's it gone, it's gone to China. | 0:41:50 | 0:41:54 | |
It's quite extraordinary, they seem to go round and round in circles, | 0:41:54 | 0:41:57 | |
cos we knocked the Chinese out of it in the 19th century, | 0:41:57 | 0:42:00 | |
they were the leaders in the 18th. | 0:42:00 | 0:42:02 | |
So, it all goes round in circles. This is exactly what they'd like. | 0:42:02 | 0:42:06 | |
Do you have them insured? | 0:42:06 | 0:42:09 | |
Only on household. | 0:42:09 | 0:42:12 | |
Only on the household. They're such unusual things that it is, | 0:42:12 | 0:42:16 | |
quite honestly, difficult coming up with a justifiable estimate. | 0:42:16 | 0:42:21 | |
But I think I would be justified | 0:42:23 | 0:42:26 | |
in coming up with an estimate of £10,000 to £15,000. | 0:42:26 | 0:42:30 | |
Oh, gosh. | 0:42:30 | 0:42:31 | |
-If I had the money, I'd buy them, I think they're... -Would you? | 0:42:33 | 0:42:36 | |
I would, I think they're wonderful. | 0:42:36 | 0:42:38 | |
You'll never see another pair. | 0:42:38 | 0:42:41 | |
Today's weather makes you appreciate strength of character | 0:42:41 | 0:42:45 | |
and the Potteries have always produced plenty of that. | 0:42:45 | 0:42:48 | |
Apart from the great Stanley Matthews, | 0:42:48 | 0:42:50 | |
Reginald Mitchell, the man who designed the Spitfire was born here, | 0:42:50 | 0:42:54 | |
Oliver Lodge, who invented the spark plug, he was a local man. | 0:42:54 | 0:42:57 | |
So is Robbie Williams, and so, this weather reminds us, | 0:42:57 | 0:43:01 | |
was E J Smith who went down in history as the captain of the Titanic. | 0:43:01 | 0:43:06 | |
Well, thanks to today's heroes who've been with us, | 0:43:06 | 0:43:08 | |
and from Middleport pottery, goodbye. | 0:43:08 | 0:43:11 |