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For two weeks every year, the eyes of the world are on the championships here | 0:00:02 | 0:00:05 | |
at the All England Lawn Tennis Club in South London, and even though there are no matches on today, | 0:00:05 | 0:00:09 | |
we've attracted some pretty impressive crowds of our own. | 0:00:09 | 0:00:12 | |
So much so, that we would like to welcome you to | 0:00:12 | 0:00:14 | |
a second service of the Antiques Roadshow at Wimbledon. | 0:00:14 | 0:00:17 | |
The Wimbledon Championships have become almost bigger | 0:01:00 | 0:01:03 | |
than the club itself, but for most of the year, | 0:01:03 | 0:01:05 | |
the All England Lawn Tennis Club is just that - a tennis club, | 0:01:05 | 0:01:09 | |
famous for its distinguished sporting history | 0:01:09 | 0:01:12 | |
and its love of tradition. | 0:01:12 | 0:01:13 | |
So it's a rare privilege to be invited here, | 0:01:13 | 0:01:15 | |
to grounds that are normally reserved for serious sportsmen and women only. | 0:01:15 | 0:01:20 | |
All England Club members use these courts and club house all year round. | 0:01:20 | 0:01:24 | |
And today, instead of having tea and strawberries, | 0:01:24 | 0:01:26 | |
overlooking the tennis, they're getting a grandstand view | 0:01:26 | 0:01:30 | |
of the cream of British antiques specialists, | 0:01:30 | 0:01:32 | |
valuing items for the Roadshow. | 0:01:32 | 0:01:34 | |
I know you're a member of the club here | 0:01:34 | 0:01:36 | |
and you've brought along something to be valued later. | 0:01:36 | 0:01:38 | |
You've also got a family tradition stretching back | 0:01:38 | 0:01:41 | |
-here at Wimbledon, haven't you? -I certainly have. | 0:01:41 | 0:01:43 | |
My grandmother played at Wimbledon, and this is a picture of her. | 0:01:43 | 0:01:47 | |
Look at her. | 0:01:47 | 0:01:49 | |
She was one of the first ladies to serve overarm in the championships. | 0:01:49 | 0:01:52 | |
-Oh, gosh! So, until then, it was all underarm. -Yes, yes. | 0:01:52 | 0:01:56 | |
-So she was a bit of a pioneer, then. -She certainly was. | 0:01:56 | 0:01:58 | |
And you've got other photographs. Who have you got there? | 0:01:58 | 0:02:01 | |
This is my father. He played here for 11 years | 0:02:01 | 0:02:05 | |
and my mother also played, but sadly I haven't got a picture of her. | 0:02:05 | 0:02:08 | |
-Did you play? -I played Junior Wimbledon, yes. | 0:02:08 | 0:02:12 | |
Well, that's pretty good. | 0:02:12 | 0:02:15 | |
And this is my son, who played here. | 0:02:15 | 0:02:18 | |
-Oh, I should have guessed. Tim Henman. -Absolutely. | 0:02:18 | 0:02:22 | |
So, you're Tim Henman's mother, Jane. Look at him there. | 0:02:22 | 0:02:25 | |
Well, you must have been a very - | 0:02:25 | 0:02:27 | |
-and still are, I'm sure - a very proud mum. -I am. | 0:02:27 | 0:02:29 | |
And spent many agonising afternoons here at Wimbledon. | 0:02:29 | 0:02:33 | |
-Lots of nail-biting. -I bet. | 0:02:33 | 0:02:35 | |
-Well, let's hope... He's got two daughters, hasn't he? -Three. | 0:02:35 | 0:02:38 | |
Three daughters. | 0:02:38 | 0:02:39 | |
Let's hope they carry on in the Wimbledon tradition. | 0:02:39 | 0:02:41 | |
-And I hope you have a good valuation later on. -Thank you very much. | 0:02:41 | 0:02:44 | |
Well, let's see | 0:02:44 | 0:02:45 | |
if there are any more surprises awaiting our experts at the tables. | 0:02:45 | 0:02:50 | |
This is a really fabulous quality case. | 0:02:50 | 0:02:53 | |
I always hope, when I see something of this quality, | 0:02:53 | 0:02:55 | |
there's something inside that's going to match the outside. | 0:02:55 | 0:02:59 | |
Have a look inside. | 0:02:59 | 0:03:01 | |
"Phew, what a stunner!" as the tabloids would say. | 0:03:02 | 0:03:04 | |
That's absolutely wonderful. Do you know what it is? | 0:03:04 | 0:03:09 | |
Yes, I understand that it's a coffee cup, which was presented | 0:03:09 | 0:03:13 | |
to a Captain Langlands by the Pasha, | 0:03:13 | 0:03:16 | |
who was the brother of the Khedive of Egypt. | 0:03:16 | 0:03:19 | |
I think he reigned in Egypt around about the 1870s, 1880s - | 0:03:19 | 0:03:24 | |
some time in that period, so, I guess that's what it is. | 0:03:24 | 0:03:27 | |
Right, well, you've got it | 0:03:27 | 0:03:29 | |
absolutely right. The name that it's normally called is a zarf | 0:03:29 | 0:03:34 | |
and it's for holding Turkish coffee. | 0:03:34 | 0:03:36 | |
Right. | 0:03:36 | 0:03:37 | |
But they're nearly always made in one place - not Turkey, | 0:03:37 | 0:03:41 | |
but in Switzerland. | 0:03:41 | 0:03:42 | |
-Ah. -And this one is absolutely fabulous, it's made in blue enamel. | 0:03:42 | 0:03:48 | |
These are all real, these are diamonds. | 0:03:48 | 0:03:52 | |
And do you know what it's actually made of, underneath the enamel? | 0:03:52 | 0:03:55 | |
Well, I believe it's gold, but I'm not certain of that. | 0:03:55 | 0:03:58 | |
It doesn't look like it, it looks more like copper, but... | 0:03:58 | 0:04:01 | |
It's a coppery-coloured gold. It is gold. | 0:04:01 | 0:04:04 | |
But it's got these beautiful enamel plaques on | 0:04:04 | 0:04:08 | |
and absolutely laden with diamonds, and it's a really fabulous thing. | 0:04:08 | 0:04:14 | |
It does have a little bit of damage on it, | 0:04:14 | 0:04:16 | |
and I notice that one of the panels here has got a chip out of it. | 0:04:16 | 0:04:20 | |
-Yes, right. -So, you've got, though, a really super thing. | 0:04:20 | 0:04:25 | |
And it dates from a little earlier than you say. | 0:04:25 | 0:04:28 | |
-It dates from about 1830. -Oh, right. | 0:04:28 | 0:04:32 | |
And it's one of the prettiest ones I've seen in a long, long time. | 0:04:32 | 0:04:36 | |
Oh, right. | 0:04:36 | 0:04:38 | |
So, a gold zarf of about 1830 is quite a valuable thing. | 0:04:38 | 0:04:45 | |
And I think, you know, if it was put into auction, | 0:04:45 | 0:04:50 | |
you would get, comfortably, between £6,000 and £8,000. | 0:04:50 | 0:04:54 | |
-Good heavens! -Oh, wow! | 0:04:54 | 0:04:56 | |
That is astonishing, I'd never have thought of that. Wow. | 0:04:56 | 0:05:00 | |
-I mean, it would be even more if it wasn't for the damage. -Really? | 0:05:00 | 0:05:04 | |
-But it's an absolute little gem, I love it. -Right. | 0:05:04 | 0:05:08 | |
These, to me, are usually piano dolls, they're put on a piano | 0:05:11 | 0:05:16 | |
and when someone plays the piano, they dance, so it's very unusual | 0:05:16 | 0:05:20 | |
to have them in a box like this with a musical movement. | 0:05:20 | 0:05:24 | |
Tell me, have you played with them yourself? | 0:05:24 | 0:05:26 | |
-They originally belonged to my husband's grandmother. -Yes. | 0:05:26 | 0:05:30 | |
And...she used to play them to her grandchildren | 0:05:30 | 0:05:33 | |
and visitors who came to their house. | 0:05:33 | 0:05:35 | |
Eventually, they went to my mother-in-law | 0:05:35 | 0:05:38 | |
and it was a treat for her grandchildren - our children, | 0:05:38 | 0:05:41 | |
and other visiting children - for her to bring them out and play them. | 0:05:41 | 0:05:45 | |
I think that's absolutely lovely | 0:05:45 | 0:05:47 | |
because that's why they're in such good condition. | 0:05:47 | 0:05:49 | |
-They haven't been allowed to be played with. -No, definitely. | 0:05:49 | 0:05:52 | |
So, it's like a Sunday toy. | 0:05:52 | 0:05:54 | |
-So, they are French and they're made of papier-mache. -Are they? | 0:05:54 | 0:05:58 | |
-And they're on little tiny metal rungs, if you like. -Yes. | 0:05:58 | 0:06:04 | |
-Tiny little... almost like little pins. -Yes. | 0:06:04 | 0:06:07 | |
And they are attached to a musical movement, and it's a joy to watch. | 0:06:07 | 0:06:13 | |
I particularly like the one that's on the swing at the top. | 0:06:13 | 0:06:16 | |
On the swing at the top, absolutely. They date to the 1820s, so early. | 0:06:16 | 0:06:22 | |
-Oh, really? As early as that? -Very early, yes, yes. | 0:06:22 | 0:06:24 | |
And absolutely enchanting. | 0:06:24 | 0:06:27 | |
-I hope to bring them out for my grandchildren as a treat. -Good. | 0:06:27 | 0:06:30 | |
I suppose you don't really want to know what they're worth, do you? | 0:06:30 | 0:06:33 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:06:33 | 0:06:35 | |
It's interesting, but we're not... I'm not planning to get rid of them. | 0:06:35 | 0:06:39 | |
-No. -No way. -So, well, maybe you should insure them, | 0:06:39 | 0:06:42 | |
and I think you should insure them for £2,000. | 0:06:42 | 0:06:45 | |
-For 2,000, really? -Yes, yes. -They are lovely. | 0:06:45 | 0:06:48 | |
So, shall we get them going? | 0:06:48 | 0:06:50 | |
So, shall I do it? I think this is the music. | 0:06:50 | 0:06:54 | |
And this is the movement. | 0:06:57 | 0:07:00 | |
GENTLE TUNE PLAYS | 0:07:05 | 0:07:08 | |
Well, a glorious piece of art glass, but do you know where it's from? | 0:07:18 | 0:07:22 | |
No, and I suspect you're probably going to say it's from Woolworths. | 0:07:22 | 0:07:26 | |
But I know where I got it from. I was given it by my husband's aunt, | 0:07:26 | 0:07:30 | |
and I don't know where she got it from. | 0:07:30 | 0:07:33 | |
If only it were Woolworths! | 0:07:33 | 0:07:36 | |
We have to go slightly more highbrow than that, | 0:07:36 | 0:07:38 | |
and actually what I'm going to do is take us back to the early part | 0:07:38 | 0:07:42 | |
of the 20th century, to France, and I'm going to take us to Nancy. | 0:07:42 | 0:07:47 | |
Because what we're looking at is a wonderful example | 0:07:47 | 0:07:49 | |
of French Art Nouveau | 0:07:49 | 0:07:51 | |
into Art Deco glass. | 0:07:51 | 0:07:54 | |
Made by a great factory, made by a great maker, | 0:07:54 | 0:07:58 | |
and what we're looking at is a piece of Schneider - | 0:07:58 | 0:08:00 | |
Le Verre Francais. | 0:08:00 | 0:08:01 | |
Oh, my mother was French, so she'd have been thrilled. | 0:08:01 | 0:08:04 | |
-Oh, this is all tying in beautifully. -Absolutely. | 0:08:04 | 0:08:07 | |
But Schneider, Charles Schneider, actually learned his craft | 0:08:07 | 0:08:10 | |
very early on, at the beginning of the 20th century, | 0:08:10 | 0:08:12 | |
at the factory of Daum. | 0:08:12 | 0:08:14 | |
But, by 1909, he had spread his wings, he had grown and established | 0:08:14 | 0:08:18 | |
his own factory, but it was 1918 that was a pivotal moment for them. | 0:08:18 | 0:08:23 | |
Because around Nancy there are many, many factories producing | 0:08:23 | 0:08:27 | |
beautiful glass, and a name we often hear - Emile Galle. | 0:08:27 | 0:08:31 | |
-Yes. -A very famous name. | 0:08:31 | 0:08:33 | |
Well, in 1918, there was a fire - a terrible fire - at Galle's factory, | 0:08:33 | 0:08:37 | |
which suddenly found a whole number of workers out of employment. | 0:08:37 | 0:08:41 | |
So what they did - they upped their tools | 0:08:41 | 0:08:44 | |
and moved across to the Schneider factory, and it was at that point | 0:08:44 | 0:08:47 | |
that Schneider started to learn some of the wonderful techniques | 0:08:47 | 0:08:51 | |
in French cameo glass, | 0:08:51 | 0:08:54 | |
and he literally went rocketing up the scale. | 0:08:54 | 0:08:57 | |
He became such a huge force | 0:08:57 | 0:09:00 | |
and developed a range that we see here, which is the Le Verre Francais. | 0:09:00 | 0:09:05 | |
He was a great experimenter, and if we look at the body, | 0:09:05 | 0:09:08 | |
you see all these lovely powdered colours, | 0:09:08 | 0:09:10 | |
and these would have been picked up on the body of the glass | 0:09:10 | 0:09:13 | |
to then be cut through to give all this wonderful texture. | 0:09:13 | 0:09:17 | |
Now, this is an early one, because if we look to the underside, | 0:09:17 | 0:09:21 | |
all we've got is a little cane there, | 0:09:21 | 0:09:23 | |
a little signature cane that's been let into the base. | 0:09:23 | 0:09:25 | |
Oh, I was looking for a signature. | 0:09:25 | 0:09:27 | |
-I didn't realise the significance of that. -There it is. -Great. | 0:09:27 | 0:09:30 | |
Now, later pieces, he did actually engrave his name - | 0:09:30 | 0:09:33 | |
Schneider, Le Verre Francais, | 0:09:33 | 0:09:34 | |
but this is an early piece, and it's going to be 1920-25. | 0:09:34 | 0:09:39 | |
And these pieces were sold in the greatest establishments. | 0:09:39 | 0:09:41 | |
Shall we just say that Les Galeries Lafayette | 0:09:41 | 0:09:43 | |
is maybe a little bit smarter than Woolworths. | 0:09:43 | 0:09:46 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:09:46 | 0:09:49 | |
Yeah, not nowadays, not a lot, but...it used to be, yeah. | 0:09:49 | 0:09:53 | |
-Well, that's where this probably would have come from. -Right. | 0:09:53 | 0:09:56 | |
So, today, it's a desired piece, it's a beautiful example, | 0:09:56 | 0:10:00 | |
it's quite a famous pattern for Le Verre Francais, | 0:10:00 | 0:10:03 | |
but it sums up everything that they were doing, so nicely. | 0:10:03 | 0:10:06 | |
And as such, at auction, | 0:10:06 | 0:10:08 | |
this would comfortably realise in excess of £800 to £1,200. | 0:10:08 | 0:10:12 | |
Lovely. I'll dust it with greater care on the few occasions when I do! | 0:10:14 | 0:10:19 | |
# Into each life Some rain must fall | 0:10:24 | 0:10:31 | |
# But too much, too much Is fallin' in mine... # | 0:10:31 | 0:10:35 | |
We have a very venerable-looking Victorian gentleman, | 0:10:37 | 0:10:42 | |
we have a bracelet and we have a lady. What's the connection | 0:10:42 | 0:10:45 | |
and, more importantly, what's the connection to you? | 0:10:45 | 0:10:49 | |
With me, well, the pictures were given to me by an old family friend, | 0:10:49 | 0:10:53 | |
and the gentleman was his great grandfather - | 0:10:53 | 0:10:56 | |
Senator of Minnesota, Morton Smith Wilkinson and his wife, Sarah. | 0:10:56 | 0:11:03 | |
So, what sort of time period are we talking about? | 0:11:03 | 0:11:07 | |
-Mid-Victorian, late-Victorian? -Yes, 1860s. -1860s. -Yeah. | 0:11:07 | 0:11:11 | |
What do you know about him? | 0:11:11 | 0:11:13 | |
Well, he was the first senator of Minnesota | 0:11:13 | 0:11:17 | |
and he was responsible for the criminal code, | 0:11:17 | 0:11:20 | |
which I think was 1858, | 0:11:20 | 0:11:22 | |
and these two pictures were painted | 0:11:22 | 0:11:25 | |
when they were invited to Lincoln's inaugural ball. | 0:11:25 | 0:11:28 | |
-So, he was a major player at that particular time. -Yes. | 0:11:28 | 0:11:32 | |
He would have been a close confidant, friend | 0:11:32 | 0:11:35 | |
and political colleague of Lincoln. | 0:11:35 | 0:11:37 | |
-And his wife - we don't know a great deal more about her. -Sarah. | 0:11:37 | 0:11:41 | |
-Sarah. -No. -So this is... Right. | 0:11:41 | 0:11:44 | |
-There's a slight suggestion there. -Yes, there is a slight suggestion | 0:11:46 | 0:11:49 | |
and that is a bracelet that he bought her... | 0:11:49 | 0:11:54 | |
-Right. -..to wear at Lincoln's inaugural ball. And this is it. | 0:11:54 | 0:11:58 | |
So, this is the bracelet that would have been worn at this time, | 0:11:58 | 0:12:01 | |
so from a perspective of the American history... | 0:12:01 | 0:12:06 | |
-Yes. -..it's really rather significant, isn't it? -It's really very special. | 0:12:06 | 0:12:11 | |
-Yes, it is. -OK. Let me talk to you about the bracelet. | 0:12:11 | 0:12:14 | |
It is a gold mesh - very, very fine mesh. | 0:12:14 | 0:12:19 | |
-It has a centre piece set with a line of five natural pearls. -Yes. | 0:12:19 | 0:12:26 | |
It's in a gold scallop-style frame. | 0:12:26 | 0:12:30 | |
It has black enamel sort of highlights on the frame. | 0:12:30 | 0:12:33 | |
-I hadn't noticed that. -And we have... Did you see that little black edging there? | 0:12:33 | 0:12:37 | |
-I can see now, yes, indeed, yes. -You know the feature of this. | 0:12:37 | 0:12:42 | |
-They expand. -Yes. | 0:12:42 | 0:12:45 | |
They're flexible, they're on slide pieces | 0:12:45 | 0:12:48 | |
and we have a name for jewellery like that, it's called Milanese pattern. | 0:12:48 | 0:12:52 | |
-Milanese. -And it's typical of the mid-19th century. -Yes. | 0:12:52 | 0:12:56 | |
Now, on the down side, the condition is very, very worn. | 0:12:56 | 0:13:01 | |
Do you wear it? | 0:13:01 | 0:13:02 | |
-I do. Yes. -The problem with Milanese is that it often deteriorates. -Right. | 0:13:02 | 0:13:07 | |
-And you've got the beginnings of little bits of defect... -Yes. | 0:13:07 | 0:13:11 | |
..to the edges of the bracelet. | 0:13:11 | 0:13:13 | |
If a bracelet like this were to be put into auction, | 0:13:13 | 0:13:16 | |
without the provenance that it's got, then the value of it | 0:13:16 | 0:13:21 | |
would, frankly, not be that dramatic. | 0:13:21 | 0:13:24 | |
-Why? Because it's damaged. -Right. | 0:13:24 | 0:13:27 | |
Because of the fact that the style is very sturdy and Victorian, | 0:13:27 | 0:13:33 | |
and there is another feature. | 0:13:33 | 0:13:36 | |
-Can you see here at the end of the box? -Yes. | 0:13:36 | 0:13:38 | |
There's a gap, there's a space. | 0:13:38 | 0:13:39 | |
I think the reason is that originally there would have been a fringe. | 0:13:39 | 0:13:42 | |
-Yes, I understood that. -And the fringe has gone. -Yes. | 0:13:42 | 0:13:48 | |
-So, it's less than perfect because of that. -Yeah. | 0:13:48 | 0:13:50 | |
-But then you run into the fact of provenance. -Yeah. | 0:13:50 | 0:13:54 | |
-In the AMERICAN market... -Yes. | 0:13:54 | 0:13:57 | |
..oh, my goodness me, | 0:13:57 | 0:13:59 | |
anything connected with Lincoln, the particular time, | 0:13:59 | 0:14:02 | |
with the man who made laws in Minnesota - going back to that time. | 0:14:02 | 0:14:08 | |
-Yeah. -In this country, this bracelet's worth £1,500 to £2,000. | 0:14:08 | 0:14:13 | |
-Right. -In America, how much shall we say? | 0:14:13 | 0:14:18 | |
I have no idea. | 0:14:18 | 0:14:19 | |
-£7,500 to £10,000. -Really? Wow! -Or more. -That is unbelievable. | 0:14:19 | 0:14:23 | |
-Because over there, you're buying a national treasure. -Gosh. | 0:14:23 | 0:14:27 | |
Wow! | 0:14:31 | 0:14:33 | |
Sicilian cart panels - I've never seen so many. | 0:14:33 | 0:14:38 | |
-There are 14 of them. -14? -14. | 0:14:38 | 0:14:41 | |
-Well, these are very close to my heart, these things. -Why? | 0:14:41 | 0:14:45 | |
Well, I'll tell you, once you've told me | 0:14:45 | 0:14:49 | |
how they came to be in your possession. | 0:14:49 | 0:14:51 | |
I found them in my attic. | 0:14:51 | 0:14:53 | |
They were just floorboards in the attic, | 0:14:53 | 0:14:56 | |
they were turned upside down, and I could see holes in the side, | 0:14:56 | 0:14:59 | |
and I just went up to one of the sides, saw that it was carved, | 0:14:59 | 0:15:03 | |
turned it over and I saw these painted panels. | 0:15:03 | 0:15:05 | |
So, how long had they been in your attic before you discovered them? | 0:15:05 | 0:15:09 | |
-Well, we bought the house in 1986. -Yeah. | 0:15:09 | 0:15:12 | |
But the house was built in the 1930s. | 0:15:12 | 0:15:15 | |
No idea where these panels came from. | 0:15:15 | 0:15:17 | |
Amazing. So, you don't know how they arrived there | 0:15:17 | 0:15:19 | |
-and you don't know the history of the house? -No clue, no clue. | 0:15:19 | 0:15:22 | |
Why I said, "Wow!" | 0:15:22 | 0:15:23 | |
is I've never seen so many, and why they're close to my heart | 0:15:23 | 0:15:26 | |
is because one of the first things I ever bought as an antique dealer | 0:15:26 | 0:15:32 | |
was a Sicilian cart panel, and I kept it for years. | 0:15:32 | 0:15:34 | |
-Just one? -Just one. | 0:15:34 | 0:15:37 | |
I've never seen this number! I mean, it's extraordinary. | 0:15:37 | 0:15:40 | |
They're 19th century, these panels, late-19th century, I would think, | 0:15:40 | 0:15:43 | |
and they're depicting scenes from the history of Sicily | 0:15:43 | 0:15:47 | |
and were painted by local artisans in a sort of naive kind of way. | 0:15:47 | 0:15:53 | |
You know, they're always painted in these very bright colours | 0:15:53 | 0:15:57 | |
and originally they were painted so that illiterate people | 0:15:57 | 0:16:01 | |
could know the history that shaped the island they lived on. | 0:16:01 | 0:16:06 | |
So, they would be confronted daily with these carts passing to and fro, | 0:16:06 | 0:16:10 | |
with historic events on them, and they're amazing, and what a story. | 0:16:10 | 0:16:15 | |
-Do you know how much these things are worth? -No clue. | 0:16:15 | 0:16:19 | |
They're plentiful, I must be honest. | 0:16:19 | 0:16:21 | |
Well, a small piece is £50, £60, £70, | 0:16:21 | 0:16:27 | |
so, panels of this size... | 0:16:27 | 0:16:29 | |
I mean... | 0:16:29 | 0:16:31 | |
£200 - £300 each. | 0:16:31 | 0:16:34 | |
-Each? -Times 14. -£4,200. | 0:16:34 | 0:16:38 | |
I can't do the maths. Oh, you've just done it. | 0:16:38 | 0:16:41 | |
Very expensive floorboards. | 0:16:41 | 0:16:43 | |
Well, with the London Olympics being so much in the news, | 0:16:49 | 0:16:52 | |
it seems entirely appropriate that you've brought along this | 0:16:52 | 0:16:54 | |
wonderful print of the Olympic champions | 0:16:54 | 0:16:56 | |
the first time the Games | 0:16:56 | 0:16:58 | |
were held in London in 1908. | 0:16:58 | 0:17:00 | |
-And it was in the White City, wasn't it? -It was in the White City, yes. | 0:17:00 | 0:17:03 | |
Yes, and if we look at this print, we can see all the Olympic champions | 0:17:03 | 0:17:07 | |
and one or two sports that we don't have these days, | 0:17:07 | 0:17:10 | |
such as the tug-of-war, and here you have tandem cyclists. | 0:17:10 | 0:17:14 | |
I don't think we have tandems any more these days, | 0:17:14 | 0:17:17 | |
do we, in the velodrome? And look at this, terrific - | 0:17:17 | 0:17:20 | |
a man hurling himself horizontally over the pole vault. | 0:17:20 | 0:17:22 | |
And all the champions displayed, and I believe you're related to one of these people in the photograph. | 0:17:22 | 0:17:28 | |
Yes, the gentleman here with the megaphone | 0:17:28 | 0:17:32 | |
was my great-grandfather, William Knight Smith, and it was his job | 0:17:32 | 0:17:35 | |
to report on what was going on, and to give the results as well. | 0:17:35 | 0:17:40 | |
Of course, no PA system in those days. | 0:17:40 | 0:17:42 | |
-No, no PA system, no. -No, no. | 0:17:42 | 0:17:45 | |
And here we have the same megaphone that is featured in this print. | 0:17:45 | 0:17:48 | |
-The very one. -Gosh! So, that's come down through the family. -It has. | 0:17:48 | 0:17:51 | |
And also, you've brought along something quite incredible - | 0:17:51 | 0:17:55 | |
a gold medal won at these Olympics. | 0:17:55 | 0:17:57 | |
Yes. | 0:17:57 | 0:17:58 | |
And if we have a look at it here, in its original leather case - | 0:17:58 | 0:18:04 | |
"Olympic Games Winner five miles run, London 1908". | 0:18:04 | 0:18:09 | |
Five miles - they don't do that any more cos it's in metres | 0:18:09 | 0:18:11 | |
and I suppose five miles is about between 5,000 and 10,000 metres, | 0:18:11 | 0:18:15 | |
-isn't it? I think. -Yeah. -That sort of distance. | 0:18:15 | 0:18:17 | |
And there we have inside, the gold medal. Made of nine-carat gold. | 0:18:17 | 0:18:24 | |
On this side, you can see a picture of St George and the dragon, | 0:18:24 | 0:18:29 | |
and if we turn it over, on the other side we have an athlete | 0:18:29 | 0:18:35 | |
being crowned with a wreath of laurel leaves by two maidens. | 0:18:35 | 0:18:39 | |
-And who won it? -It was won by this man called Voigt... | 0:18:39 | 0:18:43 | |
-Here we are, number 29, yes. -..who was British. -Glad to hear it. | 0:18:43 | 0:18:48 | |
His parents were emigrated from Germany and he lived in Manchester. | 0:18:48 | 0:18:52 | |
So, how did the medal come here today? | 0:18:52 | 0:18:55 | |
It's owned by a friend of mine and he asked me if I'd like to bring it. | 0:18:55 | 0:19:00 | |
Well, I'm delighted that he did. | 0:19:00 | 0:19:01 | |
Well, Olympic memorabilia is enormously sought-after | 0:19:01 | 0:19:05 | |
and there are a lot of collectors and to see these three pieces together are absolutely wonderful. | 0:19:05 | 0:19:10 | |
Now, I think the print - because it's so unusual, that print - | 0:19:10 | 0:19:15 | |
and not many examples of its type come up, | 0:19:15 | 0:19:17 | |
it would probably fetch £400 or £500 at auction. | 0:19:17 | 0:19:20 | |
Brilliant. | 0:19:20 | 0:19:22 | |
Yes. The megaphone, well, that's something entirely different. | 0:19:22 | 0:19:26 | |
It's wonderful, and I believe you've got its original cane case, as well. | 0:19:26 | 0:19:29 | |
-Yes, I have, yes, yes. -If it did come up at auction, | 0:19:29 | 0:19:32 | |
-I could see that fetching £1,500 - £2,000. -Oh, really? -Yeah, yeah. | 0:19:32 | 0:19:36 | |
And then, of course, | 0:19:36 | 0:19:37 | |
we come to the gold medal that belongs to your friend. | 0:19:37 | 0:19:41 | |
Olympic gold medals do not often appear on the market | 0:19:41 | 0:19:44 | |
and there are a lot of collectors. | 0:19:44 | 0:19:46 | |
I suspect if that came up at auction, it would probably fetch | 0:19:46 | 0:19:49 | |
somewhere between £6,000 and £8,000, | 0:19:49 | 0:19:51 | |
and on a good day might even make £10,000. | 0:19:51 | 0:19:55 | |
Absolutely terrific. | 0:19:55 | 0:19:57 | |
Three carriage clocks. | 0:20:04 | 0:20:06 | |
Lots of us have carriage clocks - maybe you've got one at home - | 0:20:06 | 0:20:10 | |
but I bet you haven't got one quite as expensive as one of these. | 0:20:10 | 0:20:14 | |
You know how this works by now - this week, our expert, Ben Wright, | 0:20:14 | 0:20:17 | |
has brought these three carriage clocks along. | 0:20:17 | 0:20:19 | |
The basic one is worth about £1,500. | 0:20:19 | 0:20:23 | |
The better one, worth £3,000. | 0:20:23 | 0:20:26 | |
The best - £30,000. | 0:20:26 | 0:20:29 | |
Now, I'm going to ask our visitors what they think, | 0:20:29 | 0:20:31 | |
but I also thought I'd put some of our experts to the test to see if they know their onions. | 0:20:31 | 0:20:35 | |
I've got no idea about carriage clocks. | 0:20:37 | 0:20:39 | |
-That's why I've asked you. -That's why you've asked me! | 0:20:39 | 0:20:42 | |
-So one of these clocks is worth 30,000? -Yes, so be very careful. -OK. | 0:20:42 | 0:20:46 | |
Now, it's all about movement - watches usually is about movements. | 0:20:46 | 0:20:49 | |
Here we have father and son, Philip Mould, our art expert of course, | 0:20:49 | 0:20:53 | |
-and Oliver. -That's right. -Welcome to the Roadshow. | 0:20:53 | 0:20:55 | |
Come on, then, put your money where your mouth is. | 0:20:55 | 0:20:57 | |
-All right, I think I'm going to go for this one. -OK. | 0:20:57 | 0:21:00 | |
I'm going go to better and then I'm going to go to best. | 0:21:00 | 0:21:03 | |
-And why do you think this is the best one? -Because it's the simplest. | 0:21:03 | 0:21:07 | |
I think that the most expensive is the one on the right here. | 0:21:07 | 0:21:12 | |
I think a close second is this one over here | 0:21:12 | 0:21:15 | |
and the least expensive - which, curiously, I like the most. | 0:21:15 | 0:21:19 | |
Is the most elaborate and beautiful. Basic? Right. | 0:21:19 | 0:21:22 | |
-That, I think, is too obvious to be the best one, that's the basic. -OK. | 0:21:22 | 0:21:27 | |
That one has two buttons to the top. Yes - basic, better, best. | 0:21:27 | 0:21:35 | |
I reckon the best is probably this one | 0:21:35 | 0:21:38 | |
-and probably the medium expensive. -The better one. -Better one, yes, I reckon probably that one. | 0:21:38 | 0:21:42 | |
-This is the basic? -That's the complete opposite of me. | 0:21:42 | 0:21:46 | |
Yeah, 'fraid so. | 0:21:46 | 0:21:48 | |
And if I'm really, really wrong, please can I come back and have me job next year? | 0:21:48 | 0:21:52 | |
No. | 0:21:53 | 0:21:54 | |
You are, of course, well known here at Wimbledon | 0:21:58 | 0:22:01 | |
and I gather you've already been speaking with Fiona. | 0:22:01 | 0:22:03 | |
And what you've brought me is not tennis related, | 0:22:03 | 0:22:07 | |
it's a wonderful fruit service. Tell me about it. | 0:22:07 | 0:22:10 | |
Well, it was left me by my grandmother's cousin. | 0:22:10 | 0:22:15 | |
I admired it as a child, and she left it to me | 0:22:15 | 0:22:18 | |
and I really would love to know a little about it. | 0:22:18 | 0:22:20 | |
Yes, it does look so splendid when you set out a full dessert service | 0:22:20 | 0:22:25 | |
like this, as every grand Victorian home did. | 0:22:25 | 0:22:28 | |
They tended to vie with themselves to get the best | 0:22:28 | 0:22:31 | |
and most impressive set | 0:22:31 | 0:22:32 | |
to show off to their guests, and I think in this case, | 0:22:32 | 0:22:35 | |
your family did extremely well in choosing | 0:22:35 | 0:22:39 | |
something that sums up everything about Victorian taste. | 0:22:39 | 0:22:41 | |
What do you think of the design? | 0:22:41 | 0:22:43 | |
Oh, I love it. I've always had a soft spot for butterflies | 0:22:43 | 0:22:46 | |
and every one's different, and they even have butterflies on the back. | 0:22:46 | 0:22:51 | |
-Oh, it's right underneath there, as well, isn't it? -So, I just love it. | 0:22:51 | 0:22:55 | |
These are three great Victorian obsessions | 0:22:55 | 0:22:58 | |
here, on a plate, | 0:22:58 | 0:23:00 | |
with the collecting of butterflies was such a popular pastime | 0:23:00 | 0:23:03 | |
and these are real specimens | 0:23:03 | 0:23:05 | |
and I suppose the painter at Royal Worcester who made this set | 0:23:05 | 0:23:08 | |
has just copied a collection of butterflies | 0:23:08 | 0:23:10 | |
to make them look as real as possible, | 0:23:10 | 0:23:12 | |
and they do look real on these plates, don't they? | 0:23:12 | 0:23:16 | |
But also, you've got the other Victorian love of ferns, | 0:23:16 | 0:23:19 | |
ferns and grasses. | 0:23:19 | 0:23:21 | |
Do you remember they used to stick specimens of ferns | 0:23:21 | 0:23:24 | |
and plants into albums | 0:23:24 | 0:23:25 | |
and it was a great fad to collect nature from the fields around. | 0:23:25 | 0:23:29 | |
And here, the painters at Worcester | 0:23:29 | 0:23:31 | |
have put a different flower on each piece. | 0:23:31 | 0:23:34 | |
What a background, isn't it? | 0:23:34 | 0:23:36 | |
With these little symbols. They're not tennis balls, are they? | 0:23:36 | 0:23:41 | |
These are Japanese symbols, little emblems. | 0:23:41 | 0:23:44 | |
They're family mons, crests, badges from ancient Japan. | 0:23:44 | 0:23:48 | |
And in 1876, when this was made, that was the taste of the time. | 0:23:48 | 0:23:54 | |
Not only are all the butterflies different, they're all superbly painted. | 0:23:54 | 0:23:58 | |
They might be by James Sheriff, | 0:23:58 | 0:24:00 | |
he was perhaps the best butterfly painter of Royal Worcester then, in the 1870s. | 0:24:00 | 0:24:03 | |
Do you have it on display? | 0:24:03 | 0:24:05 | |
No, sadly, it's been in the attic for many years, wrapped up safely, | 0:24:05 | 0:24:09 | |
but, having got it out for this event, | 0:24:09 | 0:24:11 | |
I've fallen in love with it again, | 0:24:11 | 0:24:12 | |
and I'm going to try and find somewhere | 0:24:12 | 0:24:15 | |
where I can display it at home. | 0:24:15 | 0:24:16 | |
It deserves to be seen, doesn't it? | 0:24:16 | 0:24:19 | |
I mean, you daren't use it because the painting is too delicate. | 0:24:19 | 0:24:22 | |
I mean, a typical full Victorian set were 12 plates, | 0:24:22 | 0:24:25 | |
with six of the comports or cake stands. | 0:24:25 | 0:24:28 | |
But to show off the impact of the whole design together, | 0:24:28 | 0:24:32 | |
you couldn't imagine a better site | 0:24:32 | 0:24:34 | |
and it's not inconsiderable value too. | 0:24:34 | 0:24:37 | |
-I suppose a set like this is today £3,000. -Really? Thank you. | 0:24:37 | 0:24:42 | |
What an impact it makes. | 0:24:42 | 0:24:45 | |
From what I understand, your great-grandfather, | 0:24:46 | 0:24:50 | |
in the world of magic and illusion, was someone quite special. | 0:24:50 | 0:24:55 | |
-Can you just tell me a bit about him? -Yes, sure. | 0:24:55 | 0:24:58 | |
From an early age, I think he realised that he could | 0:24:58 | 0:25:02 | |
entertain people by using magic and illusions. | 0:25:02 | 0:25:05 | |
And, after a career in the navy, he started, in the 1860s, | 0:25:05 | 0:25:13 | |
to perform illusions and magic generally, as a living. | 0:25:13 | 0:25:17 | |
Right. | 0:25:17 | 0:25:18 | |
He travelled all over the world, | 0:25:18 | 0:25:20 | |
so he was a globetrotter in the 19th century. | 0:25:20 | 0:25:24 | |
And when he was in America, | 0:25:24 | 0:25:26 | |
somebody came to one of his shows | 0:25:26 | 0:25:29 | |
and was inspired. | 0:25:29 | 0:25:31 | |
-Absolutely right, yes. He was doing a show in Milwaukee... -Right. | 0:25:31 | 0:25:37 | |
..where one of the illusions was that he seemed to | 0:25:37 | 0:25:40 | |
cut a man into small pieces and then put him together again. | 0:25:40 | 0:25:44 | |
Right. | 0:25:44 | 0:25:45 | |
And in the audience was a young lad of five years old, | 0:25:45 | 0:25:49 | |
who later became Houdini. | 0:25:49 | 0:25:52 | |
And this young boy was found by his parents at the end of the show, | 0:25:52 | 0:25:56 | |
on the stage, at the foot of my great-grandfather... | 0:25:56 | 0:26:01 | |
Right. | 0:26:01 | 0:26:02 | |
..who was producing eggs out of his mouth, and fascinating the young boy. | 0:26:02 | 0:26:07 | |
And it's sort of in the family, isn't it? | 0:26:07 | 0:26:10 | |
Not only was your great-grandfather an illusionist | 0:26:10 | 0:26:13 | |
but also his son was then someone special. | 0:26:13 | 0:26:16 | |
-Yes, he was an illusionist, as well... -OK. | 0:26:16 | 0:26:19 | |
..who also performed under the title of Dr Lynn. | 0:26:19 | 0:26:23 | |
-You see here, we've got my grandfather with Houdini. -Right. | 0:26:23 | 0:26:27 | |
And this is the calling card that Houdini produced, | 0:26:27 | 0:26:30 | |
"Harry Handcuffs Houdini", when he visited my grandfather in the UK. | 0:26:30 | 0:26:37 | |
-In 1914, it's dated. -In 1914. -Right. -That's right. | 0:26:37 | 0:26:41 | |
But I suppose that my grandfather never hit the dizzy heights | 0:26:41 | 0:26:45 | |
of my great-grandfather... | 0:26:45 | 0:26:48 | |
-Yes. -..who, for example, performed for people like Victor Hugo. | 0:26:48 | 0:26:51 | |
Absolutely. We've got a little translation, | 0:26:51 | 0:26:54 | |
a transcript of everything that he says - he's absolutely gushing | 0:26:54 | 0:26:57 | |
with enthusiasm about how wonderful he is at performing | 0:26:57 | 0:27:01 | |
and, you know, wants him to come again and do other tricks as well, | 0:27:01 | 0:27:05 | |
-doesn't he? -Yes. | 0:27:05 | 0:27:06 | |
It is a fantastic sort of archive of material you've got here, | 0:27:06 | 0:27:10 | |
you know, the fact that he inspired Houdini, | 0:27:10 | 0:27:13 | |
the greatest illusionist that one can think of. | 0:27:13 | 0:27:16 | |
I think if you add up the whole lot - you showed me some other material that you have. | 0:27:16 | 0:27:21 | |
-Yes. -Letters from your grandfather to Houdini. -To Houdini. | 0:27:21 | 0:27:23 | |
I think you're looking at a collection that could easily | 0:27:23 | 0:27:27 | |
-be worth £10,000. -Really? | 0:27:27 | 0:27:28 | |
Absolutely, it's a really, really staggering collection of material. | 0:27:28 | 0:27:33 | |
Well, that's interesting, because I wouldn't have thought | 0:27:33 | 0:27:35 | |
it would have amounted to as much as that. | 0:27:35 | 0:27:38 | |
Ben Wright, you set us | 0:27:41 | 0:27:42 | |
a fiendish task with these three carriage clocks. | 0:27:42 | 0:27:45 | |
One is basic, worth £1,500. | 0:27:45 | 0:27:48 | |
The better one is worth £3,000 and the best one - a whopping £30,000. | 0:27:48 | 0:27:53 | |
Now, I asked our visitors, I also asked some of our experts, | 0:27:53 | 0:27:57 | |
-all of whom came to different conclusions. -Excellent. | 0:27:57 | 0:27:59 | |
The one conclusion we all came to is, none of us really knew what we were looking for. | 0:27:59 | 0:28:03 | |
So, where should we start? | 0:28:03 | 0:28:04 | |
This is a battle of the French against the English, essentially. | 0:28:04 | 0:28:09 | |
All three carriage clocks signed by the same maker - Charles Frodsham. | 0:28:09 | 0:28:13 | |
-Yes, that didn't help at all. -No, it doesn't, does it? I'm really sorry about that. | 0:28:13 | 0:28:17 | |
I often come across carriage clocks on the Roadshow | 0:28:17 | 0:28:20 | |
that are signed by an English maker, sometimes a jeweller/retailer, that are, in fact, French. | 0:28:20 | 0:28:24 | |
-And why does that matter? -That's a very good question. | 0:28:24 | 0:28:27 | |
The French made around - between 1850 and 1900 - | 0:28:27 | 0:28:30 | |
about 50,000 carriage clocks a year. | 0:28:30 | 0:28:33 | |
The English made about 20 a year. | 0:28:33 | 0:28:36 | |
The English carriage clocks were made by two or three main English carriage clockmakers, | 0:28:36 | 0:28:41 | |
and they were predominantly precision clockmakers. | 0:28:41 | 0:28:44 | |
They made marine chronometers and precision clocks for observatories. | 0:28:44 | 0:28:47 | |
And Charles Frodsham was the foremost amongst them, but he also retailed | 0:28:47 | 0:28:52 | |
French carriage clocks because he saw a market for more decorative ones. | 0:28:52 | 0:28:56 | |
What, he bought clocks from France and sold them under his own name? | 0:28:56 | 0:29:00 | |
Yes. | 0:29:00 | 0:29:01 | |
As did a myriad of English clockmakers and English jewellers. | 0:29:01 | 0:29:05 | |
OK, so, it's French versus English. So, which is the more valuable then? | 0:29:05 | 0:29:08 | |
The English is the rarer, and the English is the more valuable, | 0:29:08 | 0:29:11 | |
but the problem we've got is, all of them are signed Charles Frodsham. | 0:29:11 | 0:29:14 | |
So the question is - which one's English? | 0:29:14 | 0:29:16 | |
So, the closest to you - French. | 0:29:16 | 0:29:20 | |
This one - French. | 0:29:20 | 0:29:22 | |
This is your English one - signed on the dial, "London". | 0:29:22 | 0:29:26 | |
These two are signed "Charles Frodsham, Paris" actually. | 0:29:26 | 0:29:30 | |
-You may have missed that. -I did. -Yeah. | 0:29:30 | 0:29:32 | |
-And is that all... That's it? -That's not quite all there is to it, no. -Right. OK. | 0:29:32 | 0:29:35 | |
This looks as though it's going to be the better one, | 0:29:35 | 0:29:38 | |
-because it's an engraved case. -I thought it was originally, yes. | 0:29:38 | 0:29:41 | |
It looks the part, beautifully engraved, but the movement's relatively simple, | 0:29:41 | 0:29:44 | |
it has a plain spring barrel on either side, one to tell the time, | 0:29:44 | 0:29:48 | |
one to strike the hours. It's very simple. If this didn't have the porcelain panels, | 0:29:48 | 0:29:52 | |
you'd see inside, the movement exactly the same. On this one, we've got lovely porcelain panels. | 0:29:52 | 0:29:56 | |
-These are lovely, absolutely beautiful. -Aren't they beautiful? -Mm. -And so this is a cut above. | 0:29:56 | 0:30:01 | |
This, on the other hand, is your English carriage clock with extreme complexity inside. | 0:30:01 | 0:30:07 | |
You've got this slightly strange conical-shaped wheel, | 0:30:07 | 0:30:10 | |
and that's called the fusee. Only English carriage clocks used fusees, | 0:30:10 | 0:30:14 | |
and then it has two repeat buttons, which is most unusual, even for Frodsham - | 0:30:14 | 0:30:17 | |
I think it's a one-off. When you press this one, it strikes the hours, | 0:30:17 | 0:30:21 | |
and when you press this one, it repeats the quarter hours back to you. | 0:30:21 | 0:30:25 | |
It's an anomaly - I've no idea why. | 0:30:25 | 0:30:27 | |
The other thing is that this case is beautiful and refined. If you're a carriage clock collector, | 0:30:27 | 0:30:33 | |
this is the ultimate English carriage clock. | 0:30:33 | 0:30:36 | |
Hang on a minute. I thought this was basic, | 0:30:36 | 0:30:38 | |
this was better and this was best, just because it's so beautiful. | 0:30:38 | 0:30:42 | |
-Right. -But in actual fact... I've got it completely wrong. | 0:30:42 | 0:30:46 | |
-So, this is basic. -That's the basic. | 0:30:46 | 0:30:48 | |
This is better - these are the two French ones. | 0:30:48 | 0:30:51 | |
-Absolutely right. -And the best... -Is the plainest of all. | 0:30:51 | 0:30:54 | |
-..is the plainest. -Sorry, bit of a swine, that one. -And £30,000. | 0:30:54 | 0:30:57 | |
-£30,000. -Why such a high figure? | 0:30:57 | 0:31:00 | |
It's cheap at £30,000. | 0:31:00 | 0:31:01 | |
In my opinion, it's worth £30,000 to £40,000 | 0:31:01 | 0:31:04 | |
and it might even make £50,000 at auction for all the complexity, | 0:31:04 | 0:31:07 | |
the size, the maker's name, quality of the movement, everything about it. | 0:31:07 | 0:31:10 | |
-It's delightful. -And I thought it was basic. What do I know? | 0:31:10 | 0:31:14 | |
At least you might have some tips if you have a carriage clock at home, you know what to look for now. | 0:31:14 | 0:31:18 | |
Or if you want to bring one along to the Roadshow - | 0:31:18 | 0:31:20 | |
to Ben or to our other clock experts - have a look at our locations - | 0:31:20 | 0:31:23 | |
you can check out where we're going to be coming to, on our website. | 0:31:23 | 0:31:26 | |
Vibrant, bold, colourful, modern. | 0:31:38 | 0:31:41 | |
You've brought in three fabulous lino cuts | 0:31:41 | 0:31:44 | |
which must be from the Grosvenor School of Art. | 0:31:44 | 0:31:48 | |
Yes, we think so, but we're not sure, because my elderly maiden aunt - | 0:31:48 | 0:31:54 | |
who lived in a very remote part of North Norfolk - | 0:31:54 | 0:31:58 | |
whose only interests were, as far as we knew as a family, | 0:31:58 | 0:32:01 | |
cats and ornithology. | 0:32:01 | 0:32:03 | |
And it wasn't until she died that we knew that she had this vibrant past. | 0:32:03 | 0:32:08 | |
-Absolutely. -She didn't want us to know about it. | 0:32:08 | 0:32:13 | |
Well, I see one's signed U Fookes - that must be Ursula Fookes. | 0:32:13 | 0:32:18 | |
Yes, yes. | 0:32:18 | 0:32:19 | |
And, of course, she did go to the Grosvenor School of Art and studied | 0:32:19 | 0:32:22 | |
under Claude Flight in the late 1920s | 0:32:22 | 0:32:25 | |
and these are very rare lino cuts. | 0:32:25 | 0:32:29 | |
Have you got a whole group of them? | 0:32:29 | 0:32:31 | |
Well, I'll tell you how we came to have them, | 0:32:31 | 0:32:34 | |
because she didn't actually leave them to us. | 0:32:34 | 0:32:36 | |
What happened was that we were phoned by the auctioneer, | 0:32:36 | 0:32:40 | |
in Melton Constable - near where she lived - | 0:32:40 | 0:32:42 | |
to say, A, that she'd died, and B, were we interested in anything | 0:32:42 | 0:32:46 | |
that was coming up in a forthcoming auction. | 0:32:46 | 0:32:50 | |
And we said, "Well, if we let you have a ceiling of £200 to spend, | 0:32:50 | 0:32:55 | |
"could you please get some memorabilia," | 0:32:55 | 0:32:58 | |
so we could remember her, really, because we did like her very much. | 0:32:58 | 0:33:02 | |
And then about a month later in the post, came a bundle. | 0:33:02 | 0:33:07 | |
And in the bundle was a range of these lino cuts | 0:33:07 | 0:33:11 | |
and we suddenly realised that she had this very creative side. | 0:33:11 | 0:33:16 | |
What an interesting life. | 0:33:16 | 0:33:18 | |
The Grosvenor School lasted till about 1939, | 0:33:18 | 0:33:21 | |
and in the last great show of these modern prints at Birmingham, | 0:33:21 | 0:33:25 | |
she was represented. Claude Flight asked her to give him a few pictures | 0:33:25 | 0:33:30 | |
for that show, so he obviously rated her. | 0:33:30 | 0:33:32 | |
And it's rare to see her work, actually, | 0:33:32 | 0:33:36 | |
at auction - she's not that well represented | 0:33:36 | 0:33:38 | |
and I think, from 1939 onwards, she moved into other things. | 0:33:38 | 0:33:42 | |
She moved away from her artist work. | 0:33:42 | 0:33:44 | |
But, you know, this liner is kind of carving | 0:33:44 | 0:33:46 | |
right the way through the water. | 0:33:46 | 0:33:49 | |
It's a great, powerful design, simple in its colour | 0:33:49 | 0:33:53 | |
but particularly powerful. And then the figures with their umbrellas, | 0:33:53 | 0:33:56 | |
you feel they're really fighting against the wind... | 0:33:56 | 0:33:59 | |
-Yes. -..and the rain, but what I particularly like - and my favourite - is the rugby players, | 0:33:59 | 0:34:03 | |
this great piece of colour and design beneath, | 0:34:03 | 0:34:06 | |
and the figures look very futuristic, almost machine-like. | 0:34:06 | 0:34:10 | |
These are very rare lino cuts, very strong, | 0:34:10 | 0:34:13 | |
and very sought-after in the present market. | 0:34:13 | 0:34:16 | |
The one at the top is signed and it's numbered "6 out of 50" | 0:34:16 | 0:34:20 | |
which means an edition, 6 out of 50. | 0:34:20 | 0:34:23 | |
That's worth at least £1,000 to £1,500 at auction. | 0:34:23 | 0:34:26 | |
Wow. Wow. | 0:34:26 | 0:34:29 | |
The umbrellas beneath is not signed and numbered | 0:34:29 | 0:34:32 | |
but still it's a great, great design, that, | 0:34:32 | 0:34:34 | |
and I think it's worth just as much as the other one - at least £1,000 to £1,500. | 0:34:34 | 0:34:39 | |
The rugby players - my favourite - I think that's really quite special | 0:34:39 | 0:34:43 | |
and I think that could make at least £1,500 to £2,500. | 0:34:43 | 0:34:47 | |
So, collectively, your folio is going to be worth many thousands of pounds. | 0:34:48 | 0:34:55 | |
Right... | 0:34:55 | 0:34:56 | |
What a... | 0:34:56 | 0:34:57 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:34:57 | 0:34:59 | |
What an amazing aunt! | 0:34:59 | 0:35:01 | |
What an amazing aunt. | 0:35:01 | 0:35:03 | |
So, I'm looking at a late-18th century Bohemian beaker. | 0:35:05 | 0:35:08 | |
It's a classic form, there's no question. | 0:35:08 | 0:35:12 | |
But this is a version with a difference, | 0:35:12 | 0:35:15 | |
because there's a wonderful Catholic bishop's armorial on here | 0:35:15 | 0:35:20 | |
and you know all about it, don't you? | 0:35:20 | 0:35:23 | |
It was in the household of Pope Pius VII | 0:35:23 | 0:35:27 | |
and the reason I know that | 0:35:27 | 0:35:29 | |
is because my grandma - who gave it to me - | 0:35:29 | 0:35:33 | |
went to the V&A 40 years ago | 0:35:33 | 0:35:35 | |
to see an expert, see, what is this? | 0:35:35 | 0:35:37 | |
-And they wrote her a letter, so, do you want to... -OK. | 0:35:37 | 0:35:42 | |
So, it's from a keeper of the library at the V&A and he's saying, | 0:35:42 | 0:35:46 | |
"I've now identified the coats of arms engraved and painted onto | 0:35:46 | 0:35:50 | |
"the glasses belonging to Gregorio Barbara Chiaromonti, | 0:35:50 | 0:35:53 | |
"successively Bishop of Tivoli and Bishop of Imola, | 0:35:53 | 0:35:56 | |
"then Pope Pius VII, 1800-1823". | 0:35:56 | 0:36:00 | |
So, that fits in with the date. | 0:36:00 | 0:36:02 | |
So, this belonged to Pope Pius VII | 0:36:02 | 0:36:07 | |
and there's a great story about Pope Pius, isn't there? | 0:36:07 | 0:36:10 | |
Well, he's well known for the coronation of Napoleon, | 0:36:10 | 0:36:15 | |
because there was controversy over | 0:36:15 | 0:36:17 | |
the fact that the Pope was supposed to put the crown on his head. | 0:36:17 | 0:36:20 | |
Napoleon took the crown, put it on his head. | 0:36:20 | 0:36:23 | |
And what an explosive story that is. | 0:36:23 | 0:36:26 | |
Here is the crown heading towards him, and he grabs it out of the Pope's hands. | 0:36:26 | 0:36:31 | |
And whacks onto his own head, usurping the power of the church, | 0:36:31 | 0:36:35 | |
asserting the power of the state over the church. | 0:36:35 | 0:36:38 | |
And here you have a little artefact that tumbles out of history to us, | 0:36:38 | 0:36:42 | |
and ends up in our hands today - it's brilliant. | 0:36:42 | 0:36:45 | |
Where did it come from? I mean, was this...? | 0:36:45 | 0:36:47 | |
So, my grandmother got it in a junk shop 40 years ago, | 0:36:47 | 0:36:51 | |
and gave it to me, so... | 0:36:51 | 0:36:54 | |
-How fab is that? -Yeah. -This all holds water. | 0:36:54 | 0:36:57 | |
-This seems to me to be right. -Yes. | 0:36:57 | 0:36:59 | |
And that's great documentary evidence, | 0:36:59 | 0:37:01 | |
because you can have a coat of arms which means absolutely nothing. | 0:37:01 | 0:37:04 | |
-Yes. -Or you have a coat of arms that means a lot. -Yeah, yeah. | 0:37:04 | 0:37:08 | |
-So... And that's value adjusting. -Yeah. | 0:37:08 | 0:37:12 | |
Because if you have an enamelled armorial on a glass of this date, | 0:37:12 | 0:37:18 | |
that just came without the story... | 0:37:18 | 0:37:21 | |
-Yes. -..then you're £250 to £300. -Right. | 0:37:21 | 0:37:25 | |
But you add the story, | 0:37:25 | 0:37:28 | |
-and you triple the value... -Right. | 0:37:28 | 0:37:31 | |
..turning your £200-£300 glass into one that, | 0:37:31 | 0:37:34 | |
if it were to sell for less than £1,000, I'd eat a bishop's hat. | 0:37:34 | 0:37:39 | |
SHE LAUGHS Thank you very much. | 0:37:39 | 0:37:42 | |
Well, I hope most people looking at this portrait, | 0:37:44 | 0:37:47 | |
would recognise it as being Admiral Lord Nelson | 0:37:47 | 0:37:51 | |
and I see from looking at the labels near to | 0:37:51 | 0:37:55 | |
the other little objects you've brought along as well, | 0:37:55 | 0:37:57 | |
that they're also supposed to be related to Nelson. | 0:37:57 | 0:38:00 | |
-So, are you a descendant of Nelson's? -No, I'm not a descendant. | 0:38:00 | 0:38:04 | |
I work at the Royal Hospital School in Suffolk, | 0:38:04 | 0:38:08 | |
which is a school that was founded in 1712. | 0:38:08 | 0:38:12 | |
And how does Nelson relate to the school? | 0:38:12 | 0:38:15 | |
Nelson actually served on the school's committee | 0:38:15 | 0:38:18 | |
from 1801 to 1805 and was essentially a governor of the school. | 0:38:18 | 0:38:23 | |
And all these things, have they been donated to the school? | 0:38:23 | 0:38:26 | |
Well, we believe so. | 0:38:26 | 0:38:28 | |
Certainly, the dirk there at the back, | 0:38:28 | 0:38:33 | |
that was donated, by Vice Admiral Parry, to the school in 1948. | 0:38:33 | 0:38:38 | |
Well, looking at the piece itself, it certainly is of the period of Nelson. | 0:38:38 | 0:38:42 | |
This is a naval dirk that would have been carried by... | 0:38:42 | 0:38:45 | |
perhaps a junior officer, I have to say, at the time. | 0:38:45 | 0:38:48 | |
But let's look at some of the other objects you've brought in, as well. | 0:38:48 | 0:38:52 | |
You've brought in a little tiny heart-shaped pendant | 0:38:52 | 0:38:56 | |
with a letter "N". | 0:38:56 | 0:38:58 | |
Now, I guess that N is supposed to represent Nelson, is it? | 0:38:58 | 0:39:01 | |
On the documentation we've got, | 0:39:01 | 0:39:03 | |
it's referred to as a jewel that Nelson gave to Lady Hamilton. | 0:39:03 | 0:39:08 | |
And this watch movement - we haven't got the whole watch, | 0:39:08 | 0:39:11 | |
the watch case isn't here - but if you look on the movement, | 0:39:11 | 0:39:15 | |
it says, | 0:39:15 | 0:39:16 | |
"Admiral Nelson, Lord of the Nile, August 1798". | 0:39:16 | 0:39:22 | |
Now, that, of course, commemorates the Battle of the Nile. | 0:39:22 | 0:39:26 | |
But just looking further, we've got a pair of little shoe buckles | 0:39:26 | 0:39:30 | |
and a magnifying glass. | 0:39:30 | 0:39:31 | |
-Yes. -Let's actually take a closer look at one or two of these items. | 0:39:31 | 0:39:36 | |
Looking firstly at the little heart-shaped pendant, | 0:39:36 | 0:39:39 | |
the capital letter N is very much a block capital. | 0:39:39 | 0:39:44 | |
Now, that wasn't the sort of style of N - style of letter - | 0:39:44 | 0:39:49 | |
that was used around 1800-1805, | 0:39:49 | 0:39:52 | |
it wasn't that style. | 0:39:52 | 0:39:54 | |
And, in fact, I can date that to about 1870, | 0:39:54 | 0:39:59 | |
so that could not possibly have been given to Emma Hamilton, I'm afraid. | 0:39:59 | 0:40:04 | |
-What a shame. -I know, it is! | 0:40:04 | 0:40:06 | |
Looking at the watch, | 0:40:06 | 0:40:09 | |
it's absolutely of that period, | 0:40:09 | 0:40:12 | |
so the watch, there is a possibility that could be genuine. | 0:40:12 | 0:40:15 | |
Move on to the shoe buckles - rather than being shoe buckles, | 0:40:15 | 0:40:18 | |
which is what the label says - I think are breeches buckles, | 0:40:18 | 0:40:22 | |
which went around the bottom of the leg of the breeches. | 0:40:22 | 0:40:26 | |
-Right, just here, then? -Yeah, exactly, just there. | 0:40:26 | 0:40:30 | |
Certainly, these could date to that period. | 0:40:30 | 0:40:33 | |
Looking at the eyeglass, there are quite a number of eyeglasses | 0:40:33 | 0:40:37 | |
in collections all over the world, | 0:40:37 | 0:40:39 | |
all purporting to have been used by Nelson, and in fact he did have | 0:40:39 | 0:40:43 | |
quite bad eyesight in his remaining eye, so he did use an eyeglass. | 0:40:43 | 0:40:47 | |
But the difficulty is in the provenance, | 0:40:47 | 0:40:51 | |
and unless it can be proved absolutely, | 0:40:51 | 0:40:55 | |
-to go back from present day... -Yeah. -..right back to Nelson, | 0:40:55 | 0:41:00 | |
then it's impossible to prove that the item is absolutely genuine. | 0:41:00 | 0:41:04 | |
However, looking at values, | 0:41:04 | 0:41:06 | |
the dirk is going to be worth | 0:41:06 | 0:41:09 | |
£200 to £300 in that condition. | 0:41:09 | 0:41:11 | |
If it can be proven that it belonged to Nelson, | 0:41:11 | 0:41:15 | |
that could be worth £20,000 to £30,000. | 0:41:15 | 0:41:19 | |
The heart-shaped pendant, we know, | 0:41:19 | 0:41:21 | |
could not possibly have been given to Emma Hamilton by Nelson. | 0:41:21 | 0:41:26 | |
And that's worth £100. | 0:41:26 | 0:41:28 | |
Looking at the eyeglass, | 0:41:28 | 0:41:30 | |
and the buckles, £40. £50, perhaps. | 0:41:30 | 0:41:34 | |
Looking at the watch, now... | 0:41:34 | 0:41:37 | |
again, if that can be proved, | 0:41:37 | 0:41:38 | |
that takes the value from a few hundred pounds, which it's worth | 0:41:38 | 0:41:41 | |
without any provenance, | 0:41:41 | 0:41:43 | |
to £30,000-£40,000, | 0:41:43 | 0:41:45 | |
if that can be proved that it belonged to Nelson. | 0:41:45 | 0:41:49 | |
-But you can't prove it! -We need to get up in the attic. -And that's the tragedy. | 0:41:49 | 0:41:53 | |
Anyway, look, let's go to the value of the picture now. | 0:41:53 | 0:41:57 | |
This is a wonderful portrait of Nelson. But I can't value it. | 0:41:57 | 0:42:03 | |
But I know a man who can. | 0:42:03 | 0:42:05 | |
Philip Mould is one of our picture experts here today and he happens | 0:42:05 | 0:42:10 | |
to be a specialist in portraits, so I think we should show that to him. | 0:42:10 | 0:42:14 | |
Thank you very much indeed. | 0:42:14 | 0:42:15 | |
Do you know, I rarely get to write a cheque these days. | 0:42:17 | 0:42:20 | |
-The cheque is a dying kind of entity, isn't it? -Absolutely, yes. | 0:42:20 | 0:42:23 | |
But, had I had £7,350 in 1969, | 0:42:23 | 0:42:28 | |
I would have been writing a pretty meaty cheque. | 0:42:28 | 0:42:31 | |
Now, let's look at the signature, | 0:42:31 | 0:42:33 | |
because that kind of says why it's for such a lot of money. | 0:42:33 | 0:42:36 | |
-It's signed "George Harrison", one of The Beatles. -Absolutely, yes. | 0:42:36 | 0:42:41 | |
Why have you got one of George Harrison's cancelled cheques? | 0:42:41 | 0:42:45 | |
Well, we were a small family business specialising in high-performance sports cars | 0:42:45 | 0:42:51 | |
and quite a lot of celebrities came in to buy cars from us, | 0:42:51 | 0:42:54 | |
even though we were a small company. George Harrison came in one day | 0:42:54 | 0:42:58 | |
and he wanted to buy two Jensen Interceptors - | 0:42:58 | 0:43:01 | |
I'm not quite sure why he wanted two - | 0:43:01 | 0:43:04 | |
and, at some stage, he must have changed his mind. | 0:43:04 | 0:43:07 | |
And I think it might have been because, at that time, | 0:43:07 | 0:43:09 | |
we were selling De Tomaso sports cars | 0:43:09 | 0:43:11 | |
and I do believe that he bought one of those instead. | 0:43:11 | 0:43:14 | |
He went for the Italian option, obviously. It's a bit of a shame. | 0:43:14 | 0:43:17 | |
But maybe... Was that twice the price? I don't know. | 0:43:17 | 0:43:19 | |
-I think it probably was, yes. -Yeah, what a fascinating little story. | 0:43:19 | 0:43:23 | |
-So, obviously the cheque was cancelled. -It was. | 0:43:23 | 0:43:26 | |
-I presume he wrote a new cheque... -He did. -..for the De Tomaso. | 0:43:26 | 0:43:29 | |
It's a really, very interesting little collectable item | 0:43:29 | 0:43:32 | |
and how did it survive? | 0:43:32 | 0:43:34 | |
-Was it a conscious decision that was made? -Not at all, no. | 0:43:34 | 0:43:38 | |
In fact, it was just among my papers, | 0:43:38 | 0:43:40 | |
because I was also company secretary, and I lost it. | 0:43:40 | 0:43:44 | |
I remembered seeing it, and I lost it, and three days ago | 0:43:44 | 0:43:47 | |
my son was clearing out his bedroom - | 0:43:47 | 0:43:49 | |
which is very unusual - and he found it. | 0:43:49 | 0:43:51 | |
I thought, "Well, I'll pop it along and show it to someone | 0:43:51 | 0:43:54 | |
-"at the Antiques Roadshow." -Well, that's very fortunate because - and very fortunate that you found it - | 0:43:54 | 0:43:58 | |
for the simple reason that it's actually worth £1,000. | 0:43:58 | 0:44:01 | |
-Wow, that's amazing for a piece of paper. -For a cancelled cheque. -Yes. | 0:44:01 | 0:44:05 | |
Yes, but, of course, it has a great little history, it's George Harrison. | 0:44:05 | 0:44:10 | |
I just think it's a fabulous little object with a great family history. | 0:44:10 | 0:44:14 | |
-Thank you very much. -My pleasure. | 0:44:14 | 0:44:15 | |
I know you've been talking to Graham Lay | 0:44:17 | 0:44:18 | |
and I gather you've had some rather sort of bad news, | 0:44:18 | 0:44:21 | |
that your Nelson items are not perhaps exactly what you hoped for. | 0:44:21 | 0:44:25 | |
Well, I'm going to be working very hard on the provenance | 0:44:25 | 0:44:28 | |
over the next few months, so I live in hope. | 0:44:28 | 0:44:30 | |
Right. And head boy and head girl, am I right in thinking? | 0:44:30 | 0:44:32 | |
-How do you feel about that? -Bit disappointing that we can't prove it. | 0:44:32 | 0:44:36 | |
Yeah, I bet. He was - after all, you know - | 0:44:36 | 0:44:38 | |
the greatest figure associated with your school. But let's go to the face, the body, the portrait. | 0:44:38 | 0:44:43 | |
The delight about dealing with a painting, or, in this case, | 0:44:43 | 0:44:47 | |
a drawing, is you can work out if it does have the characteristics | 0:44:47 | 0:44:50 | |
of an artist who was associated with the great man, in this case, Nelson. | 0:44:50 | 0:44:55 | |
Now, the characteristics of this picture would suggest | 0:44:55 | 0:44:59 | |
the work of an artist called Henry Edridge. | 0:44:59 | 0:45:02 | |
I'm not saying whether it IS by Edridge or not yet, | 0:45:02 | 0:45:05 | |
but Edridge is a really interesting man, because he goes | 0:45:05 | 0:45:08 | |
from a miniature painter - and you can look at the quality of that face | 0:45:08 | 0:45:12 | |
and see that this is the work of someone who's used to working | 0:45:12 | 0:45:15 | |
with tiny tools in a very minute way - to slightly longer portraits. | 0:45:15 | 0:45:19 | |
In fact, he developed his own particular type of Edridge look, | 0:45:19 | 0:45:23 | |
it was a sort of mannequin full length, very much like this. | 0:45:23 | 0:45:27 | |
Now, the next question is, | 0:45:27 | 0:45:30 | |
what do you know about the history of this drawing? | 0:45:30 | 0:45:33 | |
This seems to have been gifted to the school | 0:45:33 | 0:45:36 | |
in 1854 by a Sir Everard Home | 0:45:36 | 0:45:42 | |
who apparently acquired it from Earl St Vincent - or his father did - | 0:45:42 | 0:45:46 | |
in the 1820s. | 0:45:46 | 0:45:48 | |
So, is it something that has sort of grown to be part of the school? | 0:45:48 | 0:45:52 | |
I mean, have you guys come across it? Do you see it regularly? | 0:45:52 | 0:45:55 | |
We have it on the wall as we go into our boarding house | 0:45:55 | 0:45:57 | |
and it's just there every day, we see it and don't take much notice. | 0:45:57 | 0:46:00 | |
You don't show it respect? | 0:46:00 | 0:46:02 | |
Well, ball games have been played around it, | 0:46:02 | 0:46:04 | |
-and, luckily, it hasn't been hit. -Right. | 0:46:04 | 0:46:06 | |
Well, let's look at the face of the guy you play ball games around, OK. | 0:46:06 | 0:46:10 | |
Because I think this is a peculiarly potent image of the great man. | 0:46:10 | 0:46:15 | |
I mean he is, after all, you know, the greatest naval hero - | 0:46:15 | 0:46:18 | |
probably in many ways the greatest hero in English history. | 0:46:18 | 0:46:21 | |
But the delight about this particular image | 0:46:21 | 0:46:24 | |
is that there's a lot of the individual man. | 0:46:24 | 0:46:27 | |
You know, the date of this is going to be late-18th century, | 0:46:27 | 0:46:32 | |
he's lost his arm. He's lost the sight of one eye. | 0:46:32 | 0:46:36 | |
We know this man was in great pain, but we also know that | 0:46:36 | 0:46:39 | |
he was a man of tremendous valour, huge bravery. | 0:46:39 | 0:46:43 | |
And looking into those eyes, looking into those features, | 0:46:43 | 0:46:45 | |
I think there's a side of the man that we don't normally encounter | 0:46:45 | 0:46:49 | |
in those rather brassy oil paintings. | 0:46:49 | 0:46:52 | |
So, this is about 1798, 1799, 1800. | 0:46:52 | 0:46:58 | |
He's getting famous. | 0:46:58 | 0:47:00 | |
The individual that we know as Nelson was becoming recognised, | 0:47:00 | 0:47:05 | |
but, of course, it's five years away until the Battle of Trafalgar. | 0:47:05 | 0:47:08 | |
So, I'm now going to come to whether or not it is by Edridge, | 0:47:08 | 0:47:12 | |
and I have to say, I know his work pretty well | 0:47:12 | 0:47:15 | |
and there's a very particular type of crosshatching. | 0:47:15 | 0:47:19 | |
In other words, I think this IS by Edridge, | 0:47:19 | 0:47:21 | |
so it's getting a little bit more exciting. | 0:47:21 | 0:47:23 | |
I know that this is just the sort of image of the great Lord Nelson | 0:47:23 | 0:47:30 | |
that many collectors across the world would almost die for. | 0:47:30 | 0:47:34 | |
Why? | 0:47:34 | 0:47:35 | |
Because you have the great man, the hero, the victor of Trafalgar | 0:47:35 | 0:47:39 | |
who tragically died, with ships behind on one level. | 0:47:39 | 0:47:43 | |
You've also got the soul of the man, as well. | 0:47:43 | 0:47:45 | |
You have both aspects of the great hero. | 0:47:45 | 0:47:48 | |
I think this picture is worth about £100,000. | 0:47:48 | 0:47:51 | |
Wow! Wow! | 0:47:51 | 0:47:54 | |
Amazing. | 0:47:56 | 0:47:57 | |
Well, hopefully we'll make sure that the ball games stop | 0:47:57 | 0:48:01 | |
and we put it on show | 0:48:01 | 0:48:04 | |
so that the public can see it, as well as the students, I think. | 0:48:04 | 0:48:07 | |
-Are you going to show a bit more respect to it in the future? -Of course! | 0:48:07 | 0:48:10 | |
Well, isn't that a fantastic antidote to the disappointment of the other Nelson objects? | 0:48:10 | 0:48:17 | |
And I'm reliably informed now that the school is going to set aside a room as a kind of museum, | 0:48:17 | 0:48:22 | |
and that sketch will take pride of place within it. | 0:48:22 | 0:48:26 | |
We've had such a great day here at Wimbledon. | 0:48:26 | 0:48:28 | |
What a thrill to be at the All England Lawn Tennis Club. | 0:48:28 | 0:48:32 | |
Do you know, there are days when I love my job. | 0:48:32 | 0:48:35 | |
Until next time, from the whole Roadshow team, bye-bye. | 0:48:35 | 0:48:39 |