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Today, the Antiques Roadshow comes from an Art Deco treasure | 0:00:43 | 0:00:47 | |
of a building, with a unique history of learning, secrecy and Hollywood. | 0:00:47 | 0:00:51 | |
Welcome to the nerve centre of the University of London - Senate House. | 0:00:51 | 0:00:55 | |
In 1933, construction of this neoclassical colossus | 0:00:58 | 0:01:02 | |
began in Bloomsbury. | 0:01:02 | 0:01:04 | |
The radical design was the brainchild | 0:01:04 | 0:01:06 | |
of architect Charles Holden, seen here on the right. | 0:01:06 | 0:01:09 | |
It was to be a bold, modernist statement. | 0:01:09 | 0:01:12 | |
Holden's attention to detail was absolute. | 0:01:12 | 0:01:15 | |
Even the drainpipes are little crafted artworks in their own right. | 0:01:15 | 0:01:20 | |
As well as an elegant site of learning, | 0:01:30 | 0:01:32 | |
this building has a rather sinister connection. | 0:01:32 | 0:01:35 | |
During the Second World War, the Government used it | 0:01:35 | 0:01:37 | |
as their Ministry of Information, | 0:01:37 | 0:01:39 | |
and the wife of a certain George Orwell worked here. | 0:01:39 | 0:01:42 | |
And he used her experiences as the basis | 0:01:42 | 0:01:44 | |
for the Ministry of Truth in his iconic novel 1984. | 0:01:44 | 0:01:48 | |
And he wrote, "The Ministry of Truth, Minitrue in Newspeak, | 0:01:48 | 0:01:53 | |
"was startlingly different from any other object in sight. | 0:01:53 | 0:01:56 | |
"It was an enormous, pyramidal structure | 0:01:56 | 0:01:59 | |
"of glittering, white concrete, soaring up, terrace after terrace, | 0:01:59 | 0:02:03 | |
"300 metres into the air." | 0:02:03 | 0:02:06 | |
As befits a Senate House, this is the Senate room, | 0:02:13 | 0:02:16 | |
where the Vice-Chancellor would address the great and the good | 0:02:16 | 0:02:19 | |
and the finest academics of the day. | 0:02:19 | 0:02:21 | |
But this place apparently had another admirer, | 0:02:21 | 0:02:24 | |
none other than Adolf Hitler, who wanted to use it as his HQ, | 0:02:24 | 0:02:28 | |
if he'd succeeded in invading Britain. | 0:02:28 | 0:02:31 | |
When it comes to firsts, Senate House can claim several. | 0:02:36 | 0:02:40 | |
It was London's first skyscraper, | 0:02:40 | 0:02:42 | |
and it was the first university in Britain | 0:02:42 | 0:02:44 | |
to admit women to its degree programmes. | 0:02:44 | 0:02:46 | |
The panoramic view from the top of Senate House has made it popular | 0:02:50 | 0:02:54 | |
with film directors. Batman Begins, Nanny McPhee, | 0:02:54 | 0:02:56 | |
The Day Of The Triffids, all made use of this sky-rise location. | 0:02:56 | 0:03:01 | |
Today, our own directors and camera crews are hard at work | 0:03:01 | 0:03:04 | |
with our experts, in several of the principal rooms | 0:03:04 | 0:03:07 | |
down on the ground floor and the first floor. | 0:03:07 | 0:03:10 | |
Lights, camera, action! | 0:03:10 | 0:03:12 | |
"A peep into fairyland. | 0:03:13 | 0:03:15 | |
"Admission 2p, children 1p." | 0:03:15 | 0:03:18 | |
Shall we do that - peep into fairyland? | 0:03:18 | 0:03:20 | |
SHE GASPS | 0:03:20 | 0:03:22 | |
I mean, that is absolutely amazing. | 0:03:23 | 0:03:25 | |
What we're looking at is this extraordinary diorama | 0:03:25 | 0:03:30 | |
of painted scenery, | 0:03:30 | 0:03:32 | |
little creatures, elves, rabbits. | 0:03:32 | 0:03:35 | |
How did it come to you? | 0:03:35 | 0:03:37 | |
Well, our grandparents, who lived in Bromley, | 0:03:37 | 0:03:40 | |
lived next door to a lovely, elderly gentleman | 0:03:40 | 0:03:43 | |
who they became good friends with. | 0:03:43 | 0:03:45 | |
And then, through that friendship, | 0:03:45 | 0:03:47 | |
they became friends with his sisters. | 0:03:47 | 0:03:51 | |
When we were young, when we were children, | 0:03:51 | 0:03:53 | |
we used to go round there for afternoon tea in their garden | 0:03:53 | 0:03:57 | |
and it's just one particular time we went, | 0:03:57 | 0:04:00 | |
we were taken through to a room and we were shown this, as children, | 0:04:00 | 0:04:03 | |
which was just the most magical moment ever. | 0:04:03 | 0:04:06 | |
And then it was what - inherited by you or to the family? | 0:04:06 | 0:04:09 | |
Yeah, it was inherited to my grandparents | 0:04:09 | 0:04:12 | |
-and then my mum and then it was inherited to us. -So, there are | 0:04:12 | 0:04:16 | |
probably about another 15 to 16 of these hangings. | 0:04:16 | 0:04:20 | |
And they're all designed so when you look through it, | 0:04:20 | 0:04:23 | |
you get more and more of a 3D effect. | 0:04:23 | 0:04:25 | |
That very back painting also gives an illusion of further depth. | 0:04:25 | 0:04:28 | |
As a kid, it was just magical. | 0:04:28 | 0:04:30 | |
It still has that amazing effect now. | 0:04:30 | 0:04:33 | |
Let's just talk about fairies a bit | 0:04:33 | 0:04:36 | |
in the early part of the 20th century. | 0:04:36 | 0:04:39 | |
There was this great sort of upsurge in fairies | 0:04:39 | 0:04:43 | |
and the depiction of fairies. It was a form of escapism. | 0:04:43 | 0:04:47 | |
It took you away from reality, took you away from industrialisation, | 0:04:47 | 0:04:50 | |
it took you away from the First World War, | 0:04:50 | 0:04:52 | |
all those horrible things, you could escape into this fairyland. | 0:04:52 | 0:04:57 | |
But let's think about who these little old ladies were. | 0:04:57 | 0:05:01 | |
Because there's a clue. | 0:05:01 | 0:05:02 | |
And, on one of the pieces of scenery, | 0:05:02 | 0:05:05 | |
what have we got here? | 0:05:05 | 0:05:07 | |
Well, actually, what we've got | 0:05:07 | 0:05:09 | |
is part of a really fine, botanical painting, | 0:05:09 | 0:05:14 | |
signed down here by somebody called Lilian Snelling. | 0:05:14 | 0:05:20 | |
And one of your little old ladies was in fact | 0:05:20 | 0:05:24 | |
perhaps the greatest horticultural, botanical artist of her time. | 0:05:24 | 0:05:31 | |
-Wow! -She was awarded the Victoria medal | 0:05:31 | 0:05:35 | |
from the Royal Horticultural Society, which is their top award. | 0:05:35 | 0:05:40 | |
She was given an MBE. | 0:05:40 | 0:05:41 | |
She produced illustrations. | 0:05:41 | 0:05:43 | |
She produced lithographs. | 0:05:43 | 0:05:45 | |
Over 800 drawings and paintings. | 0:05:45 | 0:05:48 | |
We are dealing with an absolute, | 0:05:48 | 0:05:51 | |
can I say, force of nature without being too punny? | 0:05:51 | 0:05:55 | |
When one looks at Lilian Snelling's watercolours, | 0:05:55 | 0:06:00 | |
we're talking about £4,000, £5,000 apiece. | 0:06:00 | 0:06:04 | |
What is a Lilian Snelling diorama going to be worth? | 0:06:04 | 0:06:09 | |
It's a completely different audience. | 0:06:09 | 0:06:12 | |
I think it's worth a lot. | 0:06:12 | 0:06:15 | |
I think it's fabulous. | 0:06:15 | 0:06:17 | |
I would say £10,000 at least. | 0:06:17 | 0:06:19 | |
It is spectacular, | 0:06:19 | 0:06:22 | |
and it is that moment in particularly English history | 0:06:22 | 0:06:27 | |
-where fairies were king and queen. -Right. | 0:06:27 | 0:06:30 | |
-Thank you very much indeed. -Thank you. -Thank you. | 0:06:30 | 0:06:33 | |
Well, let's have a look at what light does to stained glass. | 0:06:39 | 0:06:42 | |
And I must say, that's a really good image. | 0:06:45 | 0:06:48 | |
Tell us about it in your life. | 0:06:48 | 0:06:50 | |
Well...the job I was doing, house clearances one day. | 0:06:50 | 0:06:55 | |
In a skip, there were six of these sitting in the skip. | 0:06:55 | 0:06:59 | |
Took them home, put them in the shed and forgot about them for six years. | 0:06:59 | 0:07:03 | |
Then my wife said last night, this is down here, | 0:07:03 | 0:07:06 | |
so we jumped on a bus this morning and here we are. | 0:07:06 | 0:07:08 | |
These came out of an arts and crafts house. | 0:07:08 | 0:07:12 | |
That style, you know, you go Baroque, rococo, neoclassical, | 0:07:12 | 0:07:16 | |
Art Nouveau and Art Deco, all that lot. | 0:07:16 | 0:07:19 | |
And nestled in the middle of Art Nouveau, | 0:07:19 | 0:07:21 | |
arts and crafts was English Art Nouveau, sort of. | 0:07:21 | 0:07:25 | |
And the artistic, painterly style | 0:07:25 | 0:07:28 | |
that is most associated with the arts and crafts is Pre-Raphaelite, | 0:07:28 | 0:07:32 | |
and these are Pre-Raphaelite. | 0:07:32 | 0:07:34 | |
And you have a look at them and you think, this is very well executed. | 0:07:34 | 0:07:39 | |
There's qualities of scale. | 0:07:39 | 0:07:41 | |
It's not the greatest. | 0:07:41 | 0:07:43 | |
-Oh, no, no, no. -But it's really not bad. | 0:07:43 | 0:07:45 | |
Basically, the colour is really nice on this. | 0:07:45 | 0:07:48 | |
You have a lovely image. | 0:07:48 | 0:07:49 | |
I've seen the images of the others that you have. | 0:07:49 | 0:07:52 | |
They show the stages of man, don't they...? | 0:07:52 | 0:07:55 | |
From a child up to old man. | 0:07:55 | 0:07:58 | |
Start with a nurse, ends with a nurse. | 0:07:58 | 0:08:00 | |
And here we have young man as pretty boy. | 0:08:00 | 0:08:03 | |
-A teenager. -I think we have. But he's into fashion, isn't he? | 0:08:03 | 0:08:06 | |
You have a little damage here. | 0:08:06 | 0:08:08 | |
It come out of the skip, remember. It could have been damaged there. | 0:08:08 | 0:08:11 | |
Sure. Well, when it comes to value, this is the best. | 0:08:11 | 0:08:14 | |
-Yeah, I'd say. -This one's 500 quid. | 0:08:14 | 0:08:16 | |
Oh! | 0:08:16 | 0:08:17 | |
Others not quite so much. | 0:08:17 | 0:08:19 | |
So, let's think. | 0:08:19 | 0:08:21 | |
You got six out of the skip for nothing. | 0:08:21 | 0:08:24 | |
Well, I reckon... | 0:08:24 | 0:08:26 | |
£1,500 at auction. | 0:08:26 | 0:08:28 | |
That's sweet as a nut, that is. | 0:08:29 | 0:08:30 | |
-Better than working for a living, isn't it? -Yeah. | 0:08:30 | 0:08:32 | |
-Thank you very much. -You're welcome. | 0:08:32 | 0:08:35 | |
Ink wells made out of horses' hooves are not uncommon. | 0:08:43 | 0:08:46 | |
I've seen literally hundreds of these over the years. | 0:08:46 | 0:08:49 | |
But this is a first because this is a famous horse. | 0:08:49 | 0:08:53 | |
I recognise the name of this horse and that's the first time | 0:08:53 | 0:08:56 | |
that's ever happened. "Ronald" on the front of here | 0:08:56 | 0:08:59 | |
is quite literally a horse celeb. | 0:08:59 | 0:09:01 | |
He is a warhorse of the highest calibre. | 0:09:01 | 0:09:04 | |
And here we have one of his hooves, mounted in silver, | 0:09:04 | 0:09:07 | |
and turned into an inkwell with an inscription on top, which reads, | 0:09:07 | 0:09:11 | |
"Hoof of Ronald, the charger ridden by James Thomas Brudenel, | 0:09:11 | 0:09:15 | |
"7th Earl of Cardigan, at the Battle of Balaclava, | 0:09:15 | 0:09:19 | |
"October 25th, 1854." | 0:09:19 | 0:09:21 | |
-Now, there's a famous date. -It is. | 0:09:21 | 0:09:22 | |
How come you've ended up with Lord Cardigan's horse's hoof? | 0:09:22 | 0:09:26 | |
Well...my grandfather on my mother's side, | 0:09:26 | 0:09:30 | |
his great grandfather, who's a chap called John Harwood-Hill, | 0:09:30 | 0:09:34 | |
was a vicar in Leicestershire in the 1830s. | 0:09:34 | 0:09:38 | |
He became the Earl of Cardigan's librarian | 0:09:38 | 0:09:41 | |
and they must have struck up a friendship because, in the 1870s, | 0:09:41 | 0:09:46 | |
this hoof was given to him by the Countess of Cardigan. | 0:09:46 | 0:09:50 | |
-Right. -As a gift. -That explains everything. | 0:09:50 | 0:09:53 | |
I'm no military historian, | 0:09:53 | 0:09:55 | |
so I can make no comment about the rights and wrongs | 0:09:55 | 0:09:58 | |
of the Charge of the Light Brigade. | 0:09:58 | 0:09:59 | |
But this was clearly an animal, whose devotion to his owner | 0:09:59 | 0:10:03 | |
and bravery is beyond comprehension, really. | 0:10:03 | 0:10:07 | |
And, Ronald, being Lord Cardigan's steed, led the charge. | 0:10:07 | 0:10:12 | |
Ran all the way down to the Russian line, | 0:10:12 | 0:10:14 | |
got through the Russian cannons, | 0:10:14 | 0:10:16 | |
ran amok a bit behind the Russian cannons, and then charged back, | 0:10:16 | 0:10:21 | |
survived. Out of the 600 and some horses that went into the charge, | 0:10:21 | 0:10:26 | |
nearly 500 of them were killed. So then he came home | 0:10:26 | 0:10:29 | |
and Ronald survived till 1872. | 0:10:29 | 0:10:33 | |
And parts of him made into relics, including this hoof, of course, | 0:10:33 | 0:10:36 | |
which is marked by EH Stockwell, who are very good London silversmiths. | 0:10:36 | 0:10:42 | |
They've mounted this hoof in 1872. | 0:10:42 | 0:10:44 | |
There are four of these hooves, as you may know. | 0:10:44 | 0:10:47 | |
One of them is in the collection of the Hussars, one of them - | 0:10:47 | 0:10:51 | |
in fact two of them are, because one of them was given to Edward VII | 0:10:51 | 0:10:56 | |
as commander-in-chief of the 10th Hussars - | 0:10:56 | 0:10:59 | |
one's retained by Lord Cardigan's family, | 0:10:59 | 0:11:02 | |
and then there's the one that is on the record as having been | 0:11:02 | 0:11:07 | |
in the ownership of Lady Sawyer, which is this one, | 0:11:07 | 0:11:10 | |
which has now come down to you. | 0:11:10 | 0:11:12 | |
In terms of a valuation, I'm going to be quite conservative. | 0:11:12 | 0:11:16 | |
It's got to be worth at least £5,000. | 0:11:16 | 0:11:19 | |
Ha! | 0:11:19 | 0:11:20 | |
Unexpected. | 0:11:20 | 0:11:22 | |
Thank you. | 0:11:22 | 0:11:24 | |
I love your little collection of images here. | 0:11:31 | 0:11:33 | |
-They're all Central line stations, aren't they? -Yes, they are. | 0:11:33 | 0:11:36 | |
We've got Bank, Museum, Marble Arch, Notting Hill, | 0:11:36 | 0:11:39 | |
and the closest station to us, which is Tottenham Court Road. | 0:11:39 | 0:11:43 | |
-They're postcards, aren't they? -Absolutely, yes. | 0:11:43 | 0:11:46 | |
Hard to tell that in these little frames. | 0:11:46 | 0:11:48 | |
-Who framed them all up? -So my mother's been looking out for them | 0:11:48 | 0:11:52 | |
for the past 10, 15 years. She lives in Suffolk. | 0:11:52 | 0:11:55 | |
Goes to quite a few postcard fairs, | 0:11:55 | 0:11:57 | |
so she had them framed. | 0:11:57 | 0:11:58 | |
I've been having them in my flats in south London. | 0:11:58 | 0:12:01 | |
Now, these were originally made in the early 20th century. | 0:12:05 | 0:12:08 | |
So, these are well over 100 years old, each of these postcards. | 0:12:08 | 0:12:12 | |
They were drawn by an artist called Philip May | 0:12:12 | 0:12:16 | |
and he was a great graphic artist, I think. | 0:12:16 | 0:12:19 | |
Quite simple in style, but I really, really like his style. | 0:12:19 | 0:12:22 | |
And, to be frank, | 0:12:22 | 0:12:24 | |
most of these were given away free with publications | 0:12:24 | 0:12:27 | |
-in the early 20th century. -Oh, OK. | 0:12:27 | 0:12:30 | |
So, anyway, you're obviously having a little bit of a problem | 0:12:34 | 0:12:37 | |
-finishing off the set, are you? -I've two missing. -Right, OK. | 0:12:37 | 0:12:40 | |
Essentially, what you have here is £70-£100 worth of cards. | 0:12:40 | 0:12:44 | |
But, I think, actually, as they're framed up as a set, | 0:12:44 | 0:12:46 | |
and they look really, really good, maybe £100, £150 | 0:12:46 | 0:12:49 | |
is kind of more like a sort of price for them. | 0:12:49 | 0:12:52 | |
But I hope you manage to complete the set. | 0:12:52 | 0:12:55 | |
Thank you. So do I. | 0:12:55 | 0:12:57 | |
Here is one of the most important manuscripts | 0:13:03 | 0:13:05 | |
that's ever likely to come onto the Antiques Roadshow. | 0:13:05 | 0:13:08 | |
This comes from the library here, of course. | 0:13:08 | 0:13:11 | |
I know it's known as the Chandos manuscript. | 0:13:11 | 0:13:13 | |
What can you tell me about it? | 0:13:13 | 0:13:15 | |
Well, the Chandos manuscript relates to the ownership of John Chandos. | 0:13:15 | 0:13:19 | |
He was one of the most loyal supporters of the Black Prince. | 0:13:19 | 0:13:22 | |
So, we're talking about the middle of the 14th century. | 0:13:22 | 0:13:25 | |
-The reign of... -Edward III. -Edward III. -And, at this time, | 0:13:25 | 0:13:29 | |
Chandos was following the Black Prince to various battles in France | 0:13:29 | 0:13:33 | |
for the Hundred Years War - Crecy, Poitiers. | 0:13:33 | 0:13:36 | |
And it was Chandos's herald, the sort of PA, | 0:13:36 | 0:13:39 | |
or publicist of the time, | 0:13:39 | 0:13:41 | |
who was with him at these battles, recording what was happening. | 0:13:41 | 0:13:45 | |
And the eyewitness account was then used to produce | 0:13:45 | 0:13:48 | |
this beautifully illuminated bound book. | 0:13:48 | 0:13:51 | |
Oh, and it was the Battle of Crecy, of course, | 0:13:51 | 0:13:54 | |
where the Prince of Wales got his spurs, and also won these feathers, | 0:13:54 | 0:13:59 | |
which the Prince of Wales is famous for today. | 0:13:59 | 0:14:02 | |
He was knighted. This is all part of the current Royal Family's insignia. | 0:14:02 | 0:14:06 | |
It goes right back to the heart of chivalry. | 0:14:06 | 0:14:09 | |
This book, in many ways, epitomises the glory of war, | 0:14:09 | 0:14:13 | |
and how it's then encapsulated, not just in the rich illumination, | 0:14:13 | 0:14:16 | |
but in the storytelling. It's a bit of a spin. | 0:14:16 | 0:14:18 | |
The spin of the Hundred Years War. | 0:14:18 | 0:14:20 | |
In fact, it's not in English, but it is in French, isn't it? | 0:14:20 | 0:14:23 | |
It is, because that was the language of court at the time. | 0:14:23 | 0:14:25 | |
It was a book for the elites, written in French, | 0:14:25 | 0:14:27 | |
with a few Latin phrases thrown in. | 0:14:27 | 0:14:29 | |
Yes. So, it's the most remarkable thing. As far as I know, | 0:14:29 | 0:14:33 | |
it is hardly well known at all. | 0:14:33 | 0:14:35 | |
There is a similar version in Worcester College library in Oxford. | 0:14:35 | 0:14:40 | |
Yes, but I'm talking about printed copies. | 0:14:40 | 0:14:42 | |
Very few. 1842, we think there was a version, but it's... | 0:14:42 | 0:14:45 | |
The text is well known, but as an object, | 0:14:45 | 0:14:48 | |
as something that we treasure, it's almost unique. | 0:14:48 | 0:14:51 | |
And he didn't get his notebook out and write it all down, | 0:14:51 | 0:14:53 | |
he got a monk, presumably, to write it, | 0:14:53 | 0:14:56 | |
as you would write an illuminated manuscript, | 0:14:56 | 0:14:59 | |
a piece of sacred text, or something like that, and in a sacred way, | 0:14:59 | 0:15:04 | |
and put this wonderful illuminated frontispiece here, | 0:15:04 | 0:15:08 | |
showing God the Father supporting Christ on the cross. | 0:15:08 | 0:15:12 | |
Underneath here, this is the bit that's been thumbed most. | 0:15:12 | 0:15:15 | |
The Prince of Wales, here. | 0:15:15 | 0:15:18 | |
He's on his knees, dressed in a surcoat. | 0:15:18 | 0:15:22 | |
And the Prince of Wales feathers are on either side. | 0:15:22 | 0:15:24 | |
This is the first time the feathers had been shown. | 0:15:24 | 0:15:27 | |
And he's saying, "Tres unum sunt." | 0:15:27 | 0:15:32 | |
Three in one are. | 0:15:32 | 0:15:34 | |
Then the "Ich dien" here. | 0:15:34 | 0:15:37 | |
To serve. I serve. | 0:15:37 | 0:15:38 | |
So, it's a combination of different languages and symbolism. | 0:15:38 | 0:15:42 | |
Any contemporary would have understood this. | 0:15:42 | 0:15:44 | |
It does take a little bit more deciphering today. | 0:15:44 | 0:15:47 | |
But it is absolutely exquisite and beautiful. | 0:15:47 | 0:15:50 | |
Is it the most valuable thing you think you've got? | 0:15:50 | 0:15:52 | |
It's the biggest treasure. It is the most valuable item. | 0:15:52 | 0:15:55 | |
It is unique. It's priceless, in many ways. | 0:15:55 | 0:15:57 | |
As far as I'm concerned, this is one of the cornerstones | 0:15:57 | 0:16:00 | |
of English literature. | 0:16:00 | 0:16:01 | |
Now, I know you've had it insured, and all the rest of it... | 0:16:01 | 0:16:04 | |
Can you let us know? | 0:16:04 | 0:16:06 | |
To me, this is a priceless item. | 0:16:06 | 0:16:08 | |
But, for insurance purposes, £2 million. | 0:16:08 | 0:16:11 | |
£2 million! | 0:16:11 | 0:16:13 | |
Well, I think that's ridiculous | 0:16:13 | 0:16:16 | |
because I think, if it came on the open market, | 0:16:16 | 0:16:18 | |
and heaven forbid that it ever would, | 0:16:18 | 0:16:20 | |
I think it would be worth twice that - £4 million. | 0:16:20 | 0:16:23 | |
Well, as a Londoner, | 0:16:27 | 0:16:28 | |
it's great for me to come back to London and see a London pot. | 0:16:28 | 0:16:32 | |
It's terrific, isn't it? | 0:16:32 | 0:16:34 | |
Made by the Doulton factory in Lambeth. | 0:16:34 | 0:16:37 | |
-Yes. -One of the greatest potters at the Lambeth factory | 0:16:37 | 0:16:41 | |
in the 19th century was Hannah Barlow, | 0:16:41 | 0:16:44 | |
who specialised in incising pots while they were wet | 0:16:44 | 0:16:48 | |
and then decorating them - horses and bulls and cows | 0:16:48 | 0:16:52 | |
and all sorts of wonderful creatures. | 0:16:52 | 0:16:55 | |
She was a wonderful lady, who owned all these animals. | 0:16:55 | 0:16:59 | |
-She had her own zoo. -Oh, did she? | 0:16:59 | 0:17:01 | |
Yes, had her own zoo! These are just horses | 0:17:01 | 0:17:04 | |
but you can get kangaroos and all sorts of things by her! | 0:17:04 | 0:17:07 | |
I think she's a wonderful woman. | 0:17:07 | 0:17:09 | |
Had this incredible ability to incise and draw these horses. | 0:17:09 | 0:17:15 | |
I think they're terrific things. | 0:17:15 | 0:17:17 | |
-They're so lifelike, aren't they? -Yes. | 0:17:17 | 0:17:19 | |
It's basically called a loving cup. | 0:17:19 | 0:17:21 | |
The idea is, you'd pass it round the table with drink in | 0:17:21 | 0:17:24 | |
and everybody can take a handle and drink from one side of it. | 0:17:24 | 0:17:29 | |
Oh, right. Very hygienic. | 0:17:29 | 0:17:31 | |
It goes back a long way, these loving cups. | 0:17:31 | 0:17:34 | |
But this is great. | 0:17:34 | 0:17:35 | |
And, um, I think it's absolutely wonderful. | 0:17:35 | 0:17:38 | |
Have you had it a long time? | 0:17:38 | 0:17:39 | |
Not all that long. | 0:17:39 | 0:17:41 | |
I was at an auction about nine months ago and I saw this. | 0:17:41 | 0:17:46 | |
-Hm. -I've got a bit of Hannah Barlow, but in those days, | 0:17:46 | 0:17:50 | |
I couldn't afford to buy anything really decent. | 0:17:50 | 0:17:53 | |
And I saw this and I thought, "I really must have it." | 0:17:53 | 0:17:55 | |
They're often dated. | 0:17:55 | 0:17:57 | |
This one... Yes, there we are. | 0:17:57 | 0:18:00 | |
1875. | 0:18:00 | 0:18:02 | |
She was quite young. | 0:18:02 | 0:18:03 | |
How old would she be then, when she did that? | 0:18:03 | 0:18:05 | |
She'd be in her twenties then. | 0:18:05 | 0:18:07 | |
She came from the Lambeth School of Art. | 0:18:07 | 0:18:10 | |
-Oh, right. -Where she was trained, | 0:18:10 | 0:18:13 | |
and, um, Doulton, Henry Doulton, | 0:18:13 | 0:18:15 | |
was a wonderful chap in getting these young girls and boys | 0:18:15 | 0:18:19 | |
from the Lambeth School of Art to come and work at the Doulton factory | 0:18:19 | 0:18:23 | |
and encouraged them enormously. | 0:18:23 | 0:18:25 | |
The prices of Hannah Barlow have dropped down a little bit | 0:18:25 | 0:18:28 | |
-in recent years, I don't know why. -Oh, dear. | 0:18:28 | 0:18:31 | |
But one day she'll boost up again. | 0:18:31 | 0:18:33 | |
But, I suppose, a pot like this, a year or so ago, | 0:18:33 | 0:18:37 | |
would have been something like £1,000. | 0:18:37 | 0:18:39 | |
Now down, possibly, to about £500. | 0:18:39 | 0:18:42 | |
But it's still a jolly fine pot. | 0:18:42 | 0:18:44 | |
-I love it very much. I'm sure you do. -I do. | 0:18:44 | 0:18:47 | |
It's a real statement, isn't it? | 0:18:47 | 0:18:49 | |
So, look after it. Think of Hannah Barlow, | 0:18:49 | 0:18:52 | |
-working in Lambeth. -Yes. | 0:18:52 | 0:18:53 | |
Well, this is one of the largest ship models | 0:18:59 | 0:19:02 | |
we've ever had on the show. | 0:19:02 | 0:19:04 | |
None other than HMS Victory, | 0:19:04 | 0:19:06 | |
perhaps the best-known British warship of all times. | 0:19:06 | 0:19:10 | |
You must live in a pretty large house to accommodate this. | 0:19:10 | 0:19:13 | |
Unfortunately not, no. | 0:19:13 | 0:19:15 | |
It lives with us in our main room. | 0:19:15 | 0:19:19 | |
We have it on a sideboard against the wall | 0:19:19 | 0:19:21 | |
and we sort of forget it's there half the time, really. | 0:19:21 | 0:19:25 | |
We have to be careful that we don't get too close to it. | 0:19:25 | 0:19:27 | |
-Yeah. -It's quite fragile. | 0:19:27 | 0:19:29 | |
Absolutely. You've two very pretty little girls | 0:19:29 | 0:19:32 | |
and your wife stood behind you. | 0:19:32 | 0:19:34 | |
How do they cope with it? | 0:19:34 | 0:19:36 | |
Well, I do wonder it's still in one piece after bringing these two up, | 0:19:36 | 0:19:40 | |
because they do like to bounce around on the settee, | 0:19:40 | 0:19:42 | |
that's quite close. | 0:19:42 | 0:19:44 | |
-And it's amazing it's still in one piece, really. -Yeah. | 0:19:44 | 0:19:46 | |
Built in around 1920. | 0:19:46 | 0:19:49 | |
The quality's kind of middling, not spectacular quality, | 0:19:49 | 0:19:53 | |
but you have all the gun deck detail and cannons. | 0:19:53 | 0:19:56 | |
-I'd agree. -When did it first come to you? | 0:19:56 | 0:19:59 | |
I inherited it from my late father, | 0:19:59 | 0:20:02 | |
who acquired it originally in the late '90s. | 0:20:02 | 0:20:06 | |
-Right. -And it came to him from a dealer on the coast in Emsworth. | 0:20:06 | 0:20:10 | |
-Right. -Not far from Portsmouth. | 0:20:10 | 0:20:12 | |
-Yeah. -And my dad received it as part payment | 0:20:12 | 0:20:16 | |
for a boat he was selling to this chap. | 0:20:16 | 0:20:19 | |
So, it was cash and this boat as well. | 0:20:19 | 0:20:21 | |
OK. A bit of wheeling and dealing. | 0:20:21 | 0:20:23 | |
The story that came with it was there was some provenance | 0:20:23 | 0:20:26 | |
-attached to it... -Yes. -..which related to | 0:20:26 | 0:20:30 | |
the fundraising tour organised by WL Wyllie, in the 1920s. | 0:20:30 | 0:20:35 | |
William Lionel Wyllie, born actually in Camden | 0:20:35 | 0:20:39 | |
just a few miles from here. | 0:20:39 | 0:20:41 | |
One of the greatest of naval and maritime painters. | 0:20:41 | 0:20:44 | |
He was one of the main campaigners to have the original HMS Victory, | 0:20:44 | 0:20:49 | |
which was in a terrible state, in the sort of 1910... | 0:20:49 | 0:20:53 | |
And he realised how important this was | 0:20:53 | 0:20:57 | |
as a national icon and that the ship should be saved. | 0:20:57 | 0:21:00 | |
And he, in fact, spent time touring the UK, giving lectures, | 0:21:00 | 0:21:05 | |
and raising funds to make a start. | 0:21:05 | 0:21:09 | |
I think the restoration started in 1922 and took seven years. | 0:21:09 | 0:21:13 | |
But, I mean, it's ongoing, isn't it? | 0:21:13 | 0:21:15 | |
It is. Yeah. They've just recently repainted it, last year, I think, | 0:21:15 | 0:21:21 | |
-in a lemon yellow and grey colour. -Right. | 0:21:21 | 0:21:24 | |
William Lionel Wyllie's attempt to raise the funds worked. | 0:21:24 | 0:21:27 | |
It was saved for the nation. | 0:21:27 | 0:21:29 | |
And it's quite possible that a model like this was used | 0:21:29 | 0:21:32 | |
to show what the restored wreck of the ship | 0:21:32 | 0:21:36 | |
would look like on completion. | 0:21:36 | 0:21:39 | |
In fact, what took me was the detail of the rigging. | 0:21:39 | 0:21:43 | |
There's no sails on this particular model. | 0:21:43 | 0:21:45 | |
No, there's not, no. I also understand it was made | 0:21:45 | 0:21:48 | |
for the restorers to get the rigging precise. | 0:21:48 | 0:21:50 | |
-Oh, right. -That was part of the purpose of this model. | 0:21:50 | 0:21:53 | |
We do decorate it every year for Christmas with lights - | 0:21:53 | 0:21:57 | |
fairy lights - and a few small baubles, bit of tinsel. | 0:21:57 | 0:22:00 | |
Instead of getting a tree, sometimes, you know. | 0:22:00 | 0:22:03 | |
Great. It obviously is a ship that earns its keep in your household. | 0:22:03 | 0:22:07 | |
-It does. -Part of the landscape. | 0:22:07 | 0:22:09 | |
I would have thought, in a special sale, | 0:22:09 | 0:22:11 | |
with obviously the link to Wyllie, | 0:22:11 | 0:22:15 | |
which obviously we've no absolute concrete evidence about, | 0:22:15 | 0:22:18 | |
it's worth... And it is limited by size, I'll be honest. | 0:22:18 | 0:22:22 | |
Smaller ships could make more sometimes. | 0:22:22 | 0:22:24 | |
It's the kind of piece that might look good in the Victory Hotel, | 0:22:24 | 0:22:28 | |
-you know, on display. -Or here! | 0:22:28 | 0:22:29 | |
-Yeah, here! -It's great here. -You've got the room. | 0:22:29 | 0:22:32 | |
-Value, at auction, £1,500, £2,500, that sort of area. -OK. | 0:22:32 | 0:22:38 | |
OK. Been a pleasure. | 0:22:38 | 0:22:40 | |
Really, you have got a very lovely fan. | 0:22:45 | 0:22:48 | |
French. | 0:22:48 | 0:22:50 | |
1780, 1790, this sort of period. | 0:22:50 | 0:22:54 | |
A silk panel here. | 0:22:54 | 0:22:56 | |
So, this is something you've acquired recently? | 0:22:56 | 0:22:59 | |
Yes, quite recently, a couple of months or so. | 0:22:59 | 0:23:01 | |
But it's pretty much to put towards my fashion business | 0:23:01 | 0:23:04 | |
-that I'm trying to launch. -Good. | 0:23:04 | 0:23:06 | |
I haven't managed to get any funding from anywhere else, | 0:23:06 | 0:23:08 | |
so I thought, "Why not buy and sell antiques?" | 0:23:08 | 0:23:11 | |
I love that. I love the kind of beautiful objects from the past. | 0:23:11 | 0:23:14 | |
It's good. I don't know what it cost you. | 0:23:19 | 0:23:21 | |
100 quid. | 0:23:21 | 0:23:23 | |
That sounds remarkably cheap. | 0:23:23 | 0:23:25 | |
I shouldn't go into fashion at all. | 0:23:27 | 0:23:28 | |
-Stick to antiques. -It's a bargain. | 0:23:28 | 0:23:30 | |
You're going to do rather better, I think! | 0:23:30 | 0:23:33 | |
He's got an amazing eye. | 0:23:33 | 0:23:34 | |
Just a really jolly day out. | 0:23:40 | 0:23:42 | |
A lovely, romantic scene. | 0:23:42 | 0:23:44 | |
Flanked to either side by these oval panels, | 0:23:44 | 0:23:47 | |
with musical instruments, floral swags. | 0:23:47 | 0:23:49 | |
It really is a really romantic piece. | 0:23:49 | 0:23:53 | |
Value-wise, they are slightly tricky. | 0:23:53 | 0:23:55 | |
But it's upper hundreds. Is it towards £1,000? | 0:23:55 | 0:23:58 | |
£800, £1,000 - is it a little over that? | 0:23:58 | 0:24:01 | |
That sort of region, really. | 0:24:01 | 0:24:03 | |
The colours are bright. | 0:24:03 | 0:24:04 | |
It's got everything somebody would really like to own in a fan, really. | 0:24:04 | 0:24:08 | |
This is such a celebration of colour. | 0:24:17 | 0:24:19 | |
And I see that it's signed "Nolan." | 0:24:19 | 0:24:23 | |
Who's Sidney Nolan, | 0:24:23 | 0:24:25 | |
who's obviously Australia's greatest 20th-century artist. | 0:24:25 | 0:24:29 | |
Can you tell us how it came to be yours? | 0:24:29 | 0:24:31 | |
In 1987, I was a young company manager at the Royal Opera House. | 0:24:31 | 0:24:36 | |
We were doing a new production | 0:24:36 | 0:24:38 | |
of Mozart's Die Entfuhrung Aus Dem Serail, | 0:24:38 | 0:24:40 | |
And the director, Elijah Moshinsky, | 0:24:40 | 0:24:43 | |
asked his friend, who was Sidney Nolan, | 0:24:43 | 0:24:46 | |
to come and design the sets. | 0:24:46 | 0:24:47 | |
Amazing! So, can you tell us a little bit more | 0:24:47 | 0:24:50 | |
about where does this fit in to the set design? | 0:24:50 | 0:24:52 | |
They did lots of model development meetings | 0:24:52 | 0:24:55 | |
and, during the course of that, Sidney designed four drops | 0:24:55 | 0:24:59 | |
to be used in production. There was a front cloth | 0:24:59 | 0:25:02 | |
and three other backdrops and this is one of them. | 0:25:02 | 0:25:05 | |
This one wasn't actually used in the production | 0:25:05 | 0:25:08 | |
because we ran out of money and didn't have enough to realise them all. | 0:25:08 | 0:25:11 | |
So, I suppose it's unusual from that point of view as well, | 0:25:11 | 0:25:14 | |
because it wasn't actually in the show in the end. | 0:25:14 | 0:25:16 | |
I think that actually makes it even more unusual | 0:25:16 | 0:25:19 | |
because the other designs that were used, | 0:25:19 | 0:25:22 | |
they're captured in images of the set, | 0:25:22 | 0:25:24 | |
whereas this is probably the first time | 0:25:24 | 0:25:27 | |
this design has ever been unveiled to the world on camera. | 0:25:27 | 0:25:31 | |
For me, it's also really interesting because Nolan is most well known | 0:25:31 | 0:25:35 | |
for an incredible series of work about Ned Kelly, | 0:25:35 | 0:25:38 | |
who is this Australian outlaw. | 0:25:38 | 0:25:40 | |
When the Royal Academy had their recent Australia exhibition, | 0:25:40 | 0:25:43 | |
that series was at the heart of the whole exhibition. | 0:25:43 | 0:25:47 | |
What's interesting about this piece though, is that it shows | 0:25:47 | 0:25:50 | |
a really very different side. | 0:25:50 | 0:25:52 | |
He designed many sets for the Royal Opera House. | 0:25:52 | 0:25:55 | |
What's particularly interesting about this one from the '80s is, | 0:25:55 | 0:25:59 | |
if you look closely at it, | 0:25:59 | 0:26:00 | |
-it's a water-based paint, but he's actually used spray paint. -Yeah. | 0:26:00 | 0:26:04 | |
That shows how innovative he was and he was also really interested | 0:26:04 | 0:26:09 | |
in changing, using different materials, using different paints. | 0:26:09 | 0:26:13 | |
When he first started painting in oil, | 0:26:13 | 0:26:15 | |
he actually painted using Ripolin, which is just a household paint. | 0:26:15 | 0:26:18 | |
What I love about this piece, though, is the history. | 0:26:18 | 0:26:21 | |
Knowing it's for a set design, so he designed it to be huge. | 0:26:21 | 0:26:26 | |
But actually, on this scale, it works remarkably well. | 0:26:26 | 0:26:29 | |
Yeah, it absolutely does. | 0:26:29 | 0:26:30 | |
So, if this was coming up at auction, | 0:26:30 | 0:26:32 | |
I'd suggest an estimate in the region of £1,200 to £1,800. | 0:26:32 | 0:26:36 | |
Great. That's really nice, but I'm going to keep it | 0:26:36 | 0:26:39 | |
because it was something that he gave to me. | 0:26:39 | 0:26:41 | |
Talk about decadent. Talk about amazing. | 0:26:44 | 0:26:47 | |
This is exactly the sort of things that members of the Bloomsbury Set | 0:26:47 | 0:26:51 | |
would have sported to smoke their cheroots or cigarettes in - | 0:26:51 | 0:26:55 | |
this miniature, | 0:26:55 | 0:26:56 | |
pipe-shaped cigarette holder. | 0:26:56 | 0:26:59 | |
And we're in the heart of Bloomsbury, | 0:26:59 | 0:27:02 | |
-and you guys are dressed so appropriately. -Indeed. | 0:27:02 | 0:27:05 | |
You clearly know where to find fabulous accessories. | 0:27:05 | 0:27:09 | |
Where on earth did you find this? | 0:27:09 | 0:27:10 | |
Well, this is sort of inherited from my next-door neighbour, in Italy, | 0:27:10 | 0:27:17 | |
in Trieste. I was the only one in the family | 0:27:17 | 0:27:19 | |
to actually appreciate the sort of things she collected. | 0:27:19 | 0:27:22 | |
She collected a lot of bits and pieces. | 0:27:22 | 0:27:25 | |
And so it ended up with me because I deserve it, I think. | 0:27:25 | 0:27:28 | |
You know, things that fit in with the way you guys look, | 0:27:29 | 0:27:33 | |
obviously find their way to you. | 0:27:33 | 0:27:35 | |
Indeed. I believe so. | 0:27:35 | 0:27:37 | |
-Absolutely. -It's a very rare thing. -Oh. | 0:27:37 | 0:27:39 | |
It's made in Renaissance tradition and in Austro-Hungary, | 0:27:39 | 0:27:44 | |
when this was made, which was about 1880, 1890, or a bit before, | 0:27:44 | 0:27:48 | |
they did Renaissance revival pieces, | 0:27:48 | 0:27:51 | |
jewellery, just like you've described. | 0:27:51 | 0:27:54 | |
But they also mounted rock crystal and semi-precious stone vessels, | 0:27:54 | 0:27:59 | |
lapis, with silver and gold on silver-gilt mounts, with enamel, | 0:27:59 | 0:28:03 | |
all in the Renaissance style. That's what this fits into. | 0:28:03 | 0:28:06 | |
Blackamoors were exotic. | 0:28:06 | 0:28:08 | |
He's dressed with a turban from the Ottoman style, | 0:28:08 | 0:28:11 | |
with the crescent on there. | 0:28:11 | 0:28:13 | |
And it's got a little jewel in his turban. | 0:28:13 | 0:28:16 | |
It's so beautiful. | 0:28:16 | 0:28:17 | |
The face is enamelled in black with earrings. | 0:28:17 | 0:28:21 | |
It's so complete. It's like a miniature pipe. | 0:28:21 | 0:28:24 | |
-Yeah. -You get Meerschaum pipes, full size, | 0:28:24 | 0:28:27 | |
carved in the forms of Blackamoors and other subject matter. | 0:28:27 | 0:28:30 | |
But this is a miniature pipe. | 0:28:30 | 0:28:32 | |
In silvergilt. This was gilt once. | 0:28:32 | 0:28:35 | |
The gilt has worn off because you've smoked so much with it. | 0:28:35 | 0:28:38 | |
-Guilty. -And I think the jewel is probably a garnet, | 0:28:38 | 0:28:42 | |
which was typical again of Austro-Hungarian work. | 0:28:42 | 0:28:45 | |
-Right. -I've never seen one of these in the flesh, so to speak, | 0:28:45 | 0:28:50 | |
or in the metal. And, um... | 0:28:50 | 0:28:52 | |
something like that, in the right shop in the West End, or in Paris, | 0:28:52 | 0:28:58 | |
or in New York, or in a good auction, | 0:28:58 | 0:29:01 | |
would make at least £1,500. | 0:29:01 | 0:29:04 | |
Seriously? | 0:29:07 | 0:29:08 | |
Seriously. | 0:29:08 | 0:29:10 | |
-Thank you very much. -A very rare thing. | 0:29:10 | 0:29:12 | |
-Fantastic! -Thank you. | 0:29:12 | 0:29:14 | |
Well, I must say, this is the nicest piece of engraving | 0:29:20 | 0:29:24 | |
that's been brought in on the series for me. | 0:29:24 | 0:29:27 | |
It is such a beautiful glass. | 0:29:27 | 0:29:29 | |
So, I need to place it in your life | 0:29:29 | 0:29:31 | |
before going any further. How do you know it? | 0:29:31 | 0:29:34 | |
This was given to my husband as a gift by one of his patients, | 0:29:34 | 0:29:39 | |
as a thank you. | 0:29:39 | 0:29:41 | |
OK. What did he do? | 0:29:41 | 0:29:44 | |
I really don't know. | 0:29:44 | 0:29:46 | |
-OK. -I possibly can't say. | 0:29:46 | 0:29:48 | |
OK. What do you think of it yourself? How do you see it? | 0:29:48 | 0:29:52 | |
I love it. I love the engraving on it. | 0:29:52 | 0:29:54 | |
It's so intricate. | 0:29:54 | 0:29:56 | |
What you have is a glass that, first of all, | 0:29:56 | 0:29:59 | |
dates from 1740, or thereabouts. | 0:29:59 | 0:30:03 | |
So, it's 260, 270 years old. | 0:30:03 | 0:30:08 | |
It comes from Silesia, | 0:30:09 | 0:30:11 | |
which has had a chequered history and it's now in southern Germany, | 0:30:11 | 0:30:15 | |
Poland. That's where it is, right down Central Europe, | 0:30:15 | 0:30:19 | |
where wheel engraving was practised | 0:30:19 | 0:30:24 | |
to a degree of complex, rococo-style scrolls. | 0:30:24 | 0:30:30 | |
This has come out of a style known as Baroque, into rococo, | 0:30:30 | 0:30:34 | |
where you have... The glass is smothered. | 0:30:34 | 0:30:37 | |
It's called Laub und Bandelwerk, which is framed. | 0:30:37 | 0:30:41 | |
You have trellises and it's all interconnected. | 0:30:41 | 0:30:45 | |
And the quality of the engraving ranges through the glass. | 0:30:46 | 0:30:50 | |
So, at the front, the ship, the galleon we have here, | 0:30:50 | 0:30:55 | |
is very high quality indeed. | 0:30:55 | 0:30:57 | |
But what surrounds it is not quite as good. | 0:30:57 | 0:31:00 | |
So, it's like Leonardo da Vinci might paint your portrait | 0:31:00 | 0:31:06 | |
and others would paint the backgrounds. | 0:31:06 | 0:31:08 | |
That's what's happened here. You've got two qualities. | 0:31:08 | 0:31:12 | |
On the back, | 0:31:12 | 0:31:13 | |
you have an inscription in high German Gothic, which says, | 0:31:13 | 0:31:18 | |
"Words can't express my gratitude to you, | 0:31:18 | 0:31:22 | |
"so let me give you this glass as an expression of my thoughts." | 0:31:22 | 0:31:27 | |
So, whoever gave him this actually... | 0:31:27 | 0:31:30 | |
He knew what he was doing. This wasn't an accident. | 0:31:30 | 0:31:33 | |
This is somebody saying, "Thank you very much indeed." | 0:31:33 | 0:31:37 | |
And isn't that an eloquent...? | 0:31:38 | 0:31:40 | |
If you get it, it makes it a much more valuable item. | 0:31:40 | 0:31:43 | |
To you, it doesn't make it more valuable in the market, | 0:31:43 | 0:31:46 | |
but, to your husband, I can't wait for you to be sitting down | 0:31:46 | 0:31:49 | |
and telling him this tonight when you go home | 0:31:49 | 0:31:52 | |
because he's going to be so chuffed. | 0:31:52 | 0:31:54 | |
-He will. -He will. | 0:31:54 | 0:31:55 | |
So, it's a value in sentiment | 0:31:55 | 0:31:58 | |
which got a tear on the end of my eyelid | 0:31:58 | 0:32:01 | |
but it's also kind of 600 quid's worth of value, too. | 0:32:01 | 0:32:05 | |
So, can I come and be a fly on the wall when you tell him tonight? | 0:32:05 | 0:32:10 | |
I will. Thank you very much. | 0:32:10 | 0:32:12 | |
You're most welcome. What a pleasure it is | 0:32:12 | 0:32:14 | |
to be explaining your own possessions to you! Lovely! | 0:32:14 | 0:32:17 | |
-It's wonderful. Thank you. -Thank you. | 0:32:17 | 0:32:20 | |
It's time for this week's Enigma. | 0:32:35 | 0:32:37 | |
We haven't trawled the local museums here in London, | 0:32:37 | 0:32:40 | |
we've actually had a little help from a friend, Henry Sandon. | 0:32:40 | 0:32:43 | |
Fergus Gambon is here to tell us about our mystery item. | 0:32:43 | 0:32:46 | |
This is Henry's originally. | 0:32:46 | 0:32:47 | |
This is Henry's. He brought it in just for our delectation today. | 0:32:47 | 0:32:52 | |
Now, it can't be a gravy boat | 0:32:52 | 0:32:54 | |
because it looks a bit like one but that's too obvious. | 0:32:54 | 0:32:57 | |
That's what it is. | 0:32:57 | 0:32:59 | |
So, what suggestions have you got? | 0:32:59 | 0:33:02 | |
It's a gravy boat. I don't know what the problem is. | 0:33:02 | 0:33:04 | |
-It's not a gravy boat! -Of course it is. | 0:33:04 | 0:33:06 | |
What else could it be? It's a gravy boat. | 0:33:06 | 0:33:08 | |
More specifically, it's a gravy boat for soy sauce. | 0:33:08 | 0:33:10 | |
-Ah! -Or rather, for soy sauce substitute, | 0:33:10 | 0:33:14 | |
which was made using portobello mushrooms | 0:33:14 | 0:33:16 | |
when they couldn't get the real thing. | 0:33:16 | 0:33:18 | |
Why would soy sauce or a substitute for it | 0:33:18 | 0:33:21 | |
have a special kind of gravy boat? | 0:33:21 | 0:33:23 | |
The truth of the matter is, I really don't know. | 0:33:23 | 0:33:26 | |
But I guess also, most 18th-century sauce boats | 0:33:26 | 0:33:28 | |
are very open in their shape. | 0:33:28 | 0:33:30 | |
This idea of enclosing it to keep the contents warm | 0:33:30 | 0:33:33 | |
without the need for a cover is what this is all about. | 0:33:33 | 0:33:36 | |
OK. So, a fancy type of gravy boat. | 0:33:36 | 0:33:39 | |
What else could it be? | 0:33:40 | 0:33:42 | |
It's a communal drinking vessel. | 0:33:42 | 0:33:45 | |
And how would such be used? | 0:33:47 | 0:33:48 | |
Well, if you think through history, | 0:33:48 | 0:33:50 | |
one of the great things that people did when they gathered together | 0:33:50 | 0:33:54 | |
to reaffirm their friendship and love for each other, | 0:33:54 | 0:33:57 | |
through history, is they've drunk together. | 0:33:57 | 0:33:59 | |
-What, like this? -Like that, or from the side. | 0:33:59 | 0:34:02 | |
-We're not quite sure. -How could you drink from the side? | 0:34:02 | 0:34:05 | |
The fact it's folded over means it would go everywhere. | 0:34:05 | 0:34:08 | |
It would. | 0:34:08 | 0:34:09 | |
Again, it's not totally certain. | 0:34:09 | 0:34:11 | |
But I think, you pick it up like that, and you do it like this. | 0:34:11 | 0:34:14 | |
Some thought it was done when people gathered together at hunts, | 0:34:14 | 0:34:18 | |
that kind of thing. The hunt followers would have used it | 0:34:18 | 0:34:21 | |
-for that purpose. -OK. -OK. | 0:34:21 | 0:34:24 | |
So, what's your third offer? | 0:34:24 | 0:34:26 | |
-Your final and best offer? -My third offer... | 0:34:26 | 0:34:29 | |
is that it's a lady's portable urinal. | 0:34:29 | 0:34:33 | |
-A she-wee. -And 18th-century she-wee, that's right. | 0:34:35 | 0:34:38 | |
How would that be used, then? | 0:34:38 | 0:34:40 | |
This should be obvious to me. | 0:34:41 | 0:34:43 | |
I'm not the best equipped to demonstrate, I'm afraid. | 0:34:43 | 0:34:46 | |
So, why would it be needed instead of a retiring room, a kind of loo? | 0:34:48 | 0:34:54 | |
People at courts, or people, say, at church, | 0:34:54 | 0:34:58 | |
they had to sit or stand for a long time and they got caught short. | 0:34:58 | 0:35:04 | |
-So, a fancy gravy boat for soy sauce or the equivalent. -Yeah. | 0:35:04 | 0:35:08 | |
A communal drinking cup. | 0:35:08 | 0:35:10 | |
Though it must be quite a messy one. | 0:35:10 | 0:35:13 | |
Or a portable female urinal contraption thingamajig. | 0:35:13 | 0:35:18 | |
OK, what we do we think? | 0:35:19 | 0:35:21 | |
Chaps, I'm going to leave you out of this for a minute. | 0:35:21 | 0:35:23 | |
Ladies, what do we think? | 0:35:23 | 0:35:25 | |
Hands up for the gravy boat thing. | 0:35:25 | 0:35:27 | |
OK. A few for the gravy boat. | 0:35:28 | 0:35:31 | |
Communal drinking cup? | 0:35:31 | 0:35:32 | |
Portable female urinal? | 0:35:34 | 0:35:35 | |
Do you know, I'm going for that. | 0:35:38 | 0:35:39 | |
Because, apart from anything else, the shape, Fergus. | 0:35:39 | 0:35:42 | |
The shape alone, without wishing to be indelicate | 0:35:42 | 0:35:46 | |
at this time of the day, and evening in fact, | 0:35:46 | 0:35:48 | |
it just lends itself so beautifully, I would say. | 0:35:48 | 0:35:52 | |
And actually, people were pretty... | 0:35:52 | 0:35:54 | |
-Shameless? -They were pretty shameless | 0:35:54 | 0:35:56 | |
about their bodily functions. | 0:35:56 | 0:35:58 | |
I can just imagine someone slipping it under their skirts and presumably | 0:35:58 | 0:36:01 | |
passing it to some hapless and very unfortunate flunky. | 0:36:01 | 0:36:03 | |
We're going for the female urinal? | 0:36:03 | 0:36:06 | |
We are. | 0:36:06 | 0:36:07 | |
-You've beaten me. -Yes! | 0:36:07 | 0:36:09 | |
CHEERING AND LAUGHTER | 0:36:09 | 0:36:12 | |
No, it is. That's what it is. | 0:36:12 | 0:36:14 | |
And it has a very, very poncy name. | 0:36:14 | 0:36:17 | |
It's called a borderloo. | 0:36:17 | 0:36:18 | |
A friend of mine went to a very posh dinner party | 0:36:18 | 0:36:21 | |
in a lovely country house. | 0:36:21 | 0:36:22 | |
And he sat down at this lovely, long table, laid with white linen, | 0:36:22 | 0:36:26 | |
18th-century porcelain, wonderful silver. | 0:36:26 | 0:36:29 | |
And there, on the table, was one of those. | 0:36:29 | 0:36:31 | |
-As a gravy boat? -As a gravy boat. | 0:36:31 | 0:36:33 | |
The occupants of the house had no idea. | 0:36:33 | 0:36:35 | |
So, he had his food, minus gravy. | 0:36:36 | 0:36:39 | |
What a great thing! | 0:36:43 | 0:36:45 | |
-Thanks, Fergus. -It's a pleasure. | 0:36:45 | 0:36:47 | |
So, how does a book | 0:36:50 | 0:36:52 | |
about fruits from the West Indies | 0:36:52 | 0:36:55 | |
come into your possession? | 0:36:55 | 0:36:57 | |
We actually think it belonged to my grandmother. | 0:36:57 | 0:37:00 | |
-Right. -She lived in Bristol. | 0:37:00 | 0:37:02 | |
She was a Lady Mayoress there in the '50s, and she was a great collector. | 0:37:02 | 0:37:06 | |
After my father died, we found this amongst his archive. | 0:37:06 | 0:37:10 | |
-Right. -She had scrapbooks and a lot of other things, | 0:37:10 | 0:37:12 | |
but we just came across these and hadn't been aware of them. | 0:37:12 | 0:37:16 | |
Interesting. So, she'd never showed the book to you in her lifetime. | 0:37:16 | 0:37:19 | |
No. I doubt it's seen the light of day for about 70 years, | 0:37:19 | 0:37:22 | |
-something like that. -Well, it certainly seems it. | 0:37:22 | 0:37:25 | |
It's actually in very good condition, | 0:37:25 | 0:37:26 | |
the original condition it would have been found in, | 0:37:26 | 0:37:29 | |
would have been published in. It's by this lady, Lydia Byam. | 0:37:29 | 0:37:33 | |
-Yes. -She came from a big family on Antigua. | 0:37:33 | 0:37:36 | |
But, because there were several Lydia Byams, | 0:37:37 | 0:37:40 | |
there's a little bit of confusion about sometimes which one it is. | 0:37:40 | 0:37:44 | |
-Right. -But, about the book itself, | 0:37:44 | 0:37:47 | |
published in 1800, and probably done privately, | 0:37:47 | 0:37:52 | |
as it says. It says printed at the Oriental Press for the author. | 0:37:52 | 0:37:55 | |
So, done in a very, very small number of copies. | 0:37:55 | 0:37:59 | |
-Yes. -It's illustrated with wonderful colour plates, | 0:37:59 | 0:38:02 | |
produced with aquatint, all done by hand. | 0:38:02 | 0:38:05 | |
But these are exotic fruits that people back in the UK | 0:38:05 | 0:38:10 | |
-probably might not have ever heard about... -Or let alone seen. | 0:38:10 | 0:38:13 | |
Certainly wouldn't have seen. | 0:38:13 | 0:38:15 | |
So, this sort of life-size, I guess, I don't know, | 0:38:15 | 0:38:18 | |
or even bigger than life-size, illustrated depictions | 0:38:18 | 0:38:21 | |
of what these fruits looked like | 0:38:21 | 0:38:22 | |
must have been quite stunning in those days. | 0:38:22 | 0:38:24 | |
-Fantastic! -There are supposed to be nine of these in the book. | 0:38:24 | 0:38:29 | |
-Yes. -Sadly, you're missing one. | 0:38:29 | 0:38:32 | |
-Yes. -No idea where it is? | 0:38:32 | 0:38:33 | |
No. We think maybe it got framed, and hung a long time ago, | 0:38:33 | 0:38:37 | |
-but, no, we don't know. -It's a great shame. | 0:38:37 | 0:38:40 | |
-It is a shame. -Because it's a very rare book. | 0:38:40 | 0:38:42 | |
It doesn't come up very often for sale on the market. | 0:38:42 | 0:38:45 | |
I couldn't find any copies available at the moment. | 0:38:45 | 0:38:48 | |
So, that means it's rare. | 0:38:48 | 0:38:50 | |
And, if it was complete, in this condition, | 0:38:50 | 0:38:53 | |
I think you'd easily see a collector paying | 0:38:53 | 0:38:56 | |
-somewhere around £10,000 for it. -What? | 0:38:56 | 0:38:59 | |
-But it's not complete. -No. I know. | 0:38:59 | 0:39:01 | |
Despite that, it's still, I think, an estimate of £4,000 to £6,000. | 0:39:01 | 0:39:06 | |
-Really? -Yeah. -Blimey! -It's a really, really rare thing. | 0:39:06 | 0:39:10 | |
And there are a lot of very good collectors | 0:39:10 | 0:39:13 | |
for books about the West Indies. | 0:39:13 | 0:39:16 | |
-OK. -Particularly books of natural history, | 0:39:16 | 0:39:19 | |
which are very, very obscure and difficult to come by. | 0:39:19 | 0:39:22 | |
Well, how extraordinary! | 0:39:22 | 0:39:24 | |
-But it's a lovely thing. Thank you very much indeed. -Thank you. | 0:39:24 | 0:39:27 | |
This has got to be one of | 0:39:31 | 0:39:33 | |
the most unusually-known sports I've ever come across. | 0:39:33 | 0:39:35 | |
Perhaps you can tell me, rather than me trip over my words. | 0:39:35 | 0:39:39 | |
It's a style of wrestling called catch as catch can. | 0:39:39 | 0:39:43 | |
It was predominantly in Lancashire and Cheshire, | 0:39:43 | 0:39:45 | |
but other areas did have it as well. | 0:39:45 | 0:39:47 | |
And this is your grandfather, I believe? | 0:39:47 | 0:39:49 | |
-It certainly is, yes. -As world champion? -Champion... | 0:39:49 | 0:39:52 | |
Wearing this very belt, which he was presented in 1905. | 0:39:52 | 0:39:56 | |
-1905, yes. -And the belt's 1904, so that kind of makes sense. | 0:39:56 | 0:39:59 | |
-Yes. -I gather your father also participated. | 0:39:59 | 0:40:02 | |
Yes. He joined a gymnasium in Manchester run by my grandfather. | 0:40:02 | 0:40:06 | |
-Right. -My grandfather was teaching him to become a wrestler | 0:40:06 | 0:40:10 | |
with a view to entering the 1916 Olympics. | 0:40:10 | 0:40:13 | |
Unfortunately, my father got injured on the Somme in 1916, | 0:40:13 | 0:40:17 | |
so that put an end to his active wrestling career. | 0:40:17 | 0:40:20 | |
But he became a referee. | 0:40:20 | 0:40:22 | |
And this is a picture of him. | 0:40:22 | 0:40:24 | |
-Refereeing? -Refereeing in Leigh, Lancashire, | 0:40:24 | 0:40:28 | |
in 1926. | 0:40:28 | 0:40:31 | |
-Right. -He did a lot of refereeing. | 0:40:31 | 0:40:34 | |
He was a referee at the 1924 Olympics in Paris. | 0:40:34 | 0:40:36 | |
Wow! He must've been a good referee. | 0:40:36 | 0:40:38 | |
-Well... -You can't get to the Olympics as a champion, | 0:40:38 | 0:40:41 | |
-you get to the Olympics as a referee. -Yes. | 0:40:41 | 0:40:44 | |
Now, this belt is the silver belt of a World Champion. | 0:40:44 | 0:40:49 | |
And, if you don't mind, if you'll indulge me for a second, | 0:40:49 | 0:40:52 | |
something I've been dying to do all day. | 0:40:52 | 0:40:54 | |
Not that I'm ever going to win the belt of a World Champion. | 0:40:56 | 0:41:00 | |
But if I could just pull it behind me and strike that pose... | 0:41:00 | 0:41:03 | |
..I can feel like it for a minute or two. | 0:41:05 | 0:41:08 | |
Better pop it back before I get delusions of grandeur. | 0:41:08 | 0:41:12 | |
And there we are. So, this is a gorgeous belt. | 0:41:14 | 0:41:17 | |
It's velvet-backed, obviously. | 0:41:17 | 0:41:19 | |
The five plaques are made of solid silver. | 0:41:19 | 0:41:22 | |
They're all marked for London 1904. | 0:41:22 | 0:41:25 | |
And the ropes around the ring here are in gilt, | 0:41:25 | 0:41:28 | |
they've been gold-plated, | 0:41:28 | 0:41:29 | |
so to pick them out and make it look even grander around his waist, | 0:41:29 | 0:41:33 | |
-as it does there. -Yeah. | 0:41:33 | 0:41:35 | |
I gather this bowl, you think, was bought with his wrestling winnings. | 0:41:35 | 0:41:39 | |
Could well have been, yes. | 0:41:39 | 0:41:41 | |
He's a very far-sighted man because this bowl, | 0:41:41 | 0:41:44 | |
which he very cleverly bought somewhere in the late-19th century, | 0:41:44 | 0:41:49 | |
I assume, it's dated 1885... | 0:41:49 | 0:41:52 | |
-Yes. -..is of a design attributed to a fellow called Christopher Dresser, | 0:41:52 | 0:41:56 | |
who's one of the most important designers in silver | 0:41:56 | 0:41:59 | |
-in the late-19th century. -That's interesting. | 0:41:59 | 0:42:01 | |
Your belt here, which he was so proud of, | 0:42:01 | 0:42:03 | |
and I should think thought much more of than this bowl, | 0:42:03 | 0:42:06 | |
is worth around £800. | 0:42:06 | 0:42:08 | |
This bowl is today worth about £3,000. | 0:42:08 | 0:42:12 | |
Oh! | 0:42:12 | 0:42:14 | |
That is as a surprise. | 0:42:15 | 0:42:17 | |
Clever fellow. And very far-sighted for a man who was much more keen on | 0:42:17 | 0:42:21 | |
wrestling than he was, presumably, on applied art and silverware. | 0:42:21 | 0:42:25 | |
Yes. | 0:42:25 | 0:42:26 | |
There's really only two names we could think of | 0:42:31 | 0:42:34 | |
when we see this vase. | 0:42:34 | 0:42:35 | |
One was William Moorcroft | 0:42:35 | 0:42:37 | |
and the other is Liberty. | 0:42:37 | 0:42:38 | |
And, lo and behold, yours has got both of them on. | 0:42:38 | 0:42:42 | |
How did it come into your possession? | 0:42:42 | 0:42:44 | |
Well, it was my mother's. | 0:42:44 | 0:42:45 | |
And I don't really know how she got it | 0:42:45 | 0:42:47 | |
except that it's possible it was given to her by one of her admirers. | 0:42:47 | 0:42:51 | |
1930, when this was made, | 0:42:55 | 0:42:56 | |
it's already been an expensive piece of pottery. | 0:42:56 | 0:42:59 | |
This is Moorcroft flambe. | 0:42:59 | 0:43:01 | |
It's a very hard technique to do. | 0:43:01 | 0:43:03 | |
If you fire it too much, all the design disappears. | 0:43:03 | 0:43:07 | |
But if you fire it perfectly, it's wonderful. | 0:43:07 | 0:43:11 | |
This is kind of just a little bit over-fired, | 0:43:11 | 0:43:13 | |
but it's a lovely shape. | 0:43:13 | 0:43:15 | |
The pattern, the tree landscape, everything works together. | 0:43:15 | 0:43:19 | |
Your mother must have been a well-admired lady | 0:43:23 | 0:43:26 | |
because if I had an admirer, who gave this to me, | 0:43:26 | 0:43:29 | |
in cash terms, | 0:43:29 | 0:43:31 | |
they'd be giving me £2,000. | 0:43:31 | 0:43:33 | |
-Wow! -So that's some admiration. | 0:43:33 | 0:43:36 | |
Do you know, one of the great pleasures of doing this show, | 0:43:40 | 0:43:42 | |
and in fact actually working in my profession is, | 0:43:42 | 0:43:45 | |
I never know what I'm going to be confronted with. | 0:43:45 | 0:43:47 | |
Then, suddenly, to be confronted with an item that is this good, | 0:43:47 | 0:43:51 | |
this superlative, and looks this beautiful, | 0:43:51 | 0:43:53 | |
it's always an absolute joy. | 0:43:53 | 0:43:55 | |
We've got this amazing, carved, little, wooden object. | 0:43:55 | 0:43:59 | |
Now, do you know what it is? | 0:43:59 | 0:44:01 | |
-No idea at all. -You have no idea at all. | 0:44:01 | 0:44:03 | |
-No. -OK. Well, I'm not going to tell you for a minute. | 0:44:03 | 0:44:07 | |
What I want to know is, where did you get it from? | 0:44:07 | 0:44:10 | |
Well, it belongs to my father-in-law and he got it from a family friend. | 0:44:10 | 0:44:13 | |
And, beyond that, we know nothing at all. | 0:44:13 | 0:44:16 | |
You know nothing at all? You must have admired it as an object. | 0:44:16 | 0:44:19 | |
-It really is beautiful, isn't it? -Yes, it is. | 0:44:19 | 0:44:21 | |
Actually, what it is is a knitting sheath. | 0:44:21 | 0:44:24 | |
It's a tool, basically. | 0:44:25 | 0:44:27 | |
It's not absolutely complete. | 0:44:27 | 0:44:29 | |
It would have had what's known as a prick in the end of it, | 0:44:29 | 0:44:32 | |
a needle in the end of it here. | 0:44:32 | 0:44:35 | |
But I want to talk about the way it's been made | 0:44:35 | 0:44:37 | |
because it is absolutely, exquisitely carved. | 0:44:37 | 0:44:40 | |
-It's essentially folk art. -Yeah. | 0:44:40 | 0:44:43 | |
This kind of object is just in such demand with collectors, | 0:44:43 | 0:44:47 | |
I have to say. The obvious inscription is | 0:44:47 | 0:44:50 | |
that set of initials there. | 0:44:50 | 0:44:52 | |
That looks like an IB. | 0:44:52 | 0:44:55 | |
Had you ever noticed another inscription? | 0:44:55 | 0:44:57 | |
There's a number at the end of it, but, er... | 0:44:57 | 0:45:00 | |
There is a number at the end of it. | 0:45:00 | 0:45:01 | |
Actually, it's the arrangement of the set of numbers that's important | 0:45:01 | 0:45:05 | |
because you can construe it in a couple of ways, can't you? | 0:45:05 | 0:45:08 | |
But I'm going to construe it as the date 1749. | 0:45:08 | 0:45:12 | |
That is really, really beautiful because not only to get | 0:45:12 | 0:45:15 | |
a superlatively-carved little knitting sheath like this | 0:45:15 | 0:45:19 | |
with a set of initials, but with a date as well, | 0:45:19 | 0:45:23 | |
is exceptionally rare. | 0:45:23 | 0:45:25 | |
And actually, really fabulous. | 0:45:25 | 0:45:27 | |
Look at some of the detail on here! | 0:45:27 | 0:45:29 | |
We've got these really incredible little figures. | 0:45:29 | 0:45:31 | |
In fact, actually, they look much older, don't they? | 0:45:31 | 0:45:33 | |
They look Elizabethan, almost. Figures with fans. | 0:45:33 | 0:45:36 | |
We've got some zoomorphic sort of creatures there. | 0:45:36 | 0:45:39 | |
What appears to be a lizard, perhaps, and some snakes. | 0:45:39 | 0:45:43 | |
But what is almost certain is that this was carved | 0:45:43 | 0:45:46 | |
perhaps by a gentleman for his sweetheart. | 0:45:46 | 0:45:49 | |
Now, if we look at this section here, we've got a seal. | 0:45:49 | 0:45:54 | |
And it's a dove with an olive branch. | 0:45:54 | 0:45:56 | |
Now, that should have been connected to that bit with a wooden chain. | 0:45:56 | 0:46:00 | |
And the wooden chain has gone missing. | 0:46:02 | 0:46:04 | |
But, do you know? I can kind of forgive it that, | 0:46:04 | 0:46:06 | |
because it's such a beautiful object | 0:46:06 | 0:46:09 | |
that it might not be quite complete, but it's of such superlative quality | 0:46:09 | 0:46:14 | |
that I can kind of put up with that, really. | 0:46:14 | 0:46:16 | |
But it is really very beautiful piece of folk art. | 0:46:16 | 0:46:20 | |
-I think this is probably cherrywood. -Right. | 0:46:20 | 0:46:23 | |
Look at the way it has acquired that colour, that patination. | 0:46:23 | 0:46:27 | |
It is a very lovely item and I doubt that I'm ever likely to see one | 0:46:27 | 0:46:31 | |
as good on the Roadshow again. | 0:46:31 | 0:46:33 | |
-Right. -Let's think about the valuation on it. | 0:46:33 | 0:46:36 | |
I think, if this were to go into a good sale, | 0:46:36 | 0:46:39 | |
this would more than likely make round about £2,000 to £3,000. | 0:46:39 | 0:46:43 | |
-Astonishing! -It is astonishing, really, isn't it? | 0:46:46 | 0:46:49 | |
Thank you. | 0:46:49 | 0:46:51 | |
So, I can very safely say that the watch is rather older than you, | 0:46:56 | 0:47:00 | |
so I presume it wasn't yours. So, how have you got it now? | 0:47:00 | 0:47:03 | |
Well, this watch originally belonged to my great-grandfather. | 0:47:03 | 0:47:07 | |
He died in the mid '80s and left it to my grandmother, | 0:47:07 | 0:47:10 | |
and she gave it to me. | 0:47:10 | 0:47:11 | |
-Have you ever worn it? Do you use it? -No. I never. | 0:47:11 | 0:47:14 | |
I think it's too precious, so I just keep it on the side. | 0:47:14 | 0:47:18 | |
OK, it's a Bulova Accutron. | 0:47:18 | 0:47:20 | |
They first came on the market in October 1960. | 0:47:20 | 0:47:24 | |
And this was the first electronic wrist watch. | 0:47:25 | 0:47:28 | |
It has, and you can see there, the tuning fork, | 0:47:29 | 0:47:32 | |
which vibrated 360 times a second, | 0:47:32 | 0:47:36 | |
and via miniature, transistorised, electronic circuit, | 0:47:36 | 0:47:41 | |
it was very much the first full-blown electric wristwatch. | 0:47:41 | 0:47:46 | |
And this particular one is in what the Americans call rolled gold, | 0:47:46 | 0:47:50 | |
so just plated. | 0:47:50 | 0:47:52 | |
But it would have retailed at the time for about 150, | 0:47:52 | 0:47:55 | |
which was a great deal of money in the 1960s. | 0:47:55 | 0:47:58 | |
Production ceased in about '75, '76, having sold 5 million. | 0:47:58 | 0:48:04 | |
And the reason production ceased is because the big Japanese companies | 0:48:05 | 0:48:10 | |
came cracking in with the quartz crystal | 0:48:10 | 0:48:13 | |
and the liquid crystal display of the digital dial. | 0:48:13 | 0:48:18 | |
And is there anything specific you've noticed about that, | 0:48:18 | 0:48:22 | |
compared to a normal watch? | 0:48:22 | 0:48:24 | |
It doesn't have a watch face. | 0:48:24 | 0:48:25 | |
Correct. It's got a skeletonised dial, and this particular one | 0:48:25 | 0:48:30 | |
is what Bulova referred to as the space view. | 0:48:30 | 0:48:33 | |
So you can see right through to all the electronic circuitry | 0:48:33 | 0:48:37 | |
and, particularly, the little tuning-fork device. | 0:48:37 | 0:48:42 | |
What is lovely, it's got an original Bulova strap. | 0:48:42 | 0:48:45 | |
When I see these, most of the straps are worn out and rather poor, | 0:48:45 | 0:48:49 | |
-but this is good. -Yeah. | 0:48:49 | 0:48:51 | |
I did say that there had been many millions produced... | 0:48:52 | 0:48:56 | |
-Yeah. -So, you're probably going to be disappointed | 0:48:56 | 0:48:58 | |
-when I tell you it's not a high-value item. -OK. | 0:48:58 | 0:49:02 | |
And condition is so important. | 0:49:02 | 0:49:05 | |
There's slight scratching on this dial, on the glass. | 0:49:05 | 0:49:10 | |
I'm going to say, in that state, about £300. | 0:49:10 | 0:49:14 | |
OK. Quite nice. | 0:49:14 | 0:49:16 | |
It's still nice, you're absolutely right. | 0:49:16 | 0:49:18 | |
Bearing in mind there were 5 million made... | 0:49:18 | 0:49:20 | |
-Yeah. -..it's not bad at all, is it? -Not bad. | 0:49:20 | 0:49:23 | |
12 musical plates. | 0:49:27 | 0:49:29 | |
We're used to musical chairs, but musical plates? | 0:49:29 | 0:49:31 | |
-Yes. -Where did they come from? | 0:49:31 | 0:49:33 | |
It was bought by my late husband. | 0:49:33 | 0:49:36 | |
He passed an antique shop and he saw it. | 0:49:36 | 0:49:41 | |
He said it's so interesting because the different plate, | 0:49:41 | 0:49:46 | |
the same figure, but the pattern is different... | 0:49:46 | 0:49:50 | |
-Yes. -But the whole style is in the same genre. | 0:49:50 | 0:49:54 | |
These are French plates from a very well-known part of France, | 0:49:54 | 0:49:58 | |
up in the top north-east corner of France. | 0:49:58 | 0:50:03 | |
And they specialised in producing high-quality, multicoloured, | 0:50:03 | 0:50:08 | |
printed plates of the mid-19th century and beyond. | 0:50:08 | 0:50:11 | |
So this is actually quite a revolutionary technique. | 0:50:11 | 0:50:14 | |
-Yes. -But the other thing is, there's a sense of humour about this. | 0:50:14 | 0:50:18 | |
-Yes. -I'm hoping there are musicians in your family. | 0:50:18 | 0:50:21 | |
-But there aren't! -Maybe, Peking Opera. | 0:50:21 | 0:50:25 | |
Oh, Peking Opera! Oh, no. Yeah. | 0:50:25 | 0:50:27 | |
Well, that's a noise I do not want to replicate. | 0:50:29 | 0:50:31 | |
But, it's funny. Yes, it is that sort of caterwauling sound, | 0:50:31 | 0:50:35 | |
-isn't it? -Yes. -It is that sound. | 0:50:35 | 0:50:37 | |
And that's the sound which Rossini sends up | 0:50:37 | 0:50:40 | |
in a well-known duet for sopranos, where they sing like cats. | 0:50:40 | 0:50:44 | |
And that's what we've got... | 0:50:44 | 0:50:46 | |
-I see! -..on the rim of every single plate - | 0:50:46 | 0:50:49 | |
-cats forming the notes of this piece of music. -Ah! | 0:50:49 | 0:50:54 | |
Yes? It's in 6/8 time. | 0:50:54 | 0:50:57 | |
-All these cats... -Oh, that's the story. | 0:50:57 | 0:50:59 | |
Well, it's very much in that satirical vein. | 0:50:59 | 0:51:03 | |
The Rossini Cat Duet. | 0:51:03 | 0:51:06 | |
I'm not going to attempt it, but it does sound like Peking Opera, | 0:51:06 | 0:51:10 | |
-I have to tell you. -OK. | 0:51:10 | 0:51:11 | |
-Yeah. -So, these are beautifully printed. | 0:51:11 | 0:51:14 | |
At the centre of each, there is a conductor. | 0:51:14 | 0:51:17 | |
I think there's a touch of the Franz Liszt about him. | 0:51:17 | 0:51:20 | |
He has that wild look. | 0:51:20 | 0:51:22 | |
We go through all the various movements and styles of music. | 0:51:22 | 0:51:27 | |
So, we start off "in dolce", which means sweetly. | 0:51:27 | 0:51:30 | |
"Grave", which means serious, | 0:51:30 | 0:51:33 | |
and "largo", which is slow. | 0:51:33 | 0:51:35 | |
-I see. -We go through all these musical moods and we end up with... | 0:51:35 | 0:51:39 | |
Sadness. | 0:51:39 | 0:51:41 | |
It's not sadness. | 0:51:42 | 0:51:44 | |
Well, it is sadness, you're absolutely right. | 0:51:44 | 0:51:47 | |
Cos the only broken plate is the last movement. | 0:51:47 | 0:51:51 | |
-OK. -"Morendo". | 0:51:51 | 0:51:53 | |
-Morendo. -Dying. | 0:51:53 | 0:51:56 | |
-Oh! -This plate has died. | 0:51:56 | 0:51:57 | |
It is an ex-plate. | 0:51:57 | 0:52:00 | |
It has been smashed. | 0:52:01 | 0:52:03 | |
After a whole 12 movements of musical performance, | 0:52:03 | 0:52:07 | |
it's the last one to go. | 0:52:07 | 0:52:09 | |
Anyway... Date? | 0:52:09 | 0:52:11 | |
Probably somewhere between 1850 and 1870. | 0:52:12 | 0:52:16 | |
OK. Yes. | 0:52:16 | 0:52:17 | |
A very, very nice set. | 0:52:17 | 0:52:19 | |
Very rare. Transfer printing in colours. | 0:52:19 | 0:52:22 | |
I suppose we ought to compose some sort of a value for you. | 0:52:22 | 0:52:25 | |
-Yes. -A musician would really like to own these and I would have thought | 0:52:25 | 0:52:30 | |
they might pay in the region of £300 to £500 for them. | 0:52:30 | 0:52:33 | |
-Yeah. OK. Yes. -And the piece they may have had in mind, | 0:52:33 | 0:52:37 | |
when they put the cats on the staves, goes something like this. | 0:52:37 | 0:52:41 | |
# Meow | 0:52:41 | 0:52:44 | |
-# Meow -Meow | 0:52:44 | 0:52:47 | |
# Meow. # | 0:52:47 | 0:52:52 | |
I'm a good student. | 0:52:55 | 0:52:57 | |
Well, you've brought me the most marvellous, slinky malinky, | 0:53:04 | 0:53:08 | |
diamond and platinum bracelet. | 0:53:08 | 0:53:10 | |
Now, how did it come to you? | 0:53:10 | 0:53:11 | |
I inherited it from my mother-in-law. | 0:53:11 | 0:53:13 | |
It was bought to her by her husband, who may have got it in an auction. | 0:53:13 | 0:53:16 | |
He travelled a lot around the world, | 0:53:16 | 0:53:18 | |
so he may have purchased it anywhere on his travels. | 0:53:18 | 0:53:21 | |
And, were you startled when you saw it? | 0:53:21 | 0:53:24 | |
Yeah. I was startled that it was going to come to me. | 0:53:24 | 0:53:27 | |
Well, I've no idea about the age of everybody in the family | 0:53:27 | 0:53:30 | |
but I think there's another ghost here. | 0:53:30 | 0:53:32 | |
I think this is the ghost of a marvellous lady | 0:53:32 | 0:53:35 | |
living in the Art Deco style, | 0:53:35 | 0:53:37 | |
with a silk dress, perhaps with a geometric pattern to it, | 0:53:37 | 0:53:41 | |
shot with green and blue silk. | 0:53:41 | 0:53:44 | |
She gets out of a motor car, in the Place Vendome, | 0:53:44 | 0:53:46 | |
that's lined with maple wood, with a chauffeur, | 0:53:46 | 0:53:49 | |
and chooses, or at least hints, that that's what she wants. | 0:53:49 | 0:53:52 | |
And then her husband comes along and says he's going to buy it for her. | 0:53:52 | 0:53:57 | |
And he buys it as a caprice. It's not an investment, | 0:53:57 | 0:54:00 | |
it's simply part of the most astonishing arrangement, really, | 0:54:00 | 0:54:04 | |
the last-gasp of luxury at that level, really. | 0:54:04 | 0:54:07 | |
We never saw it again after the Second World War. | 0:54:07 | 0:54:10 | |
This was bought for sheer pleasure, | 0:54:10 | 0:54:12 | |
to wear at some fantastic reception in Paris in 1927, | 0:54:12 | 0:54:16 | |
and we don't know this ghost. | 0:54:16 | 0:54:18 | |
This may be the only evidence we can ever hope to claw her back. | 0:54:18 | 0:54:22 | |
It's platinum, and it's set with | 0:54:22 | 0:54:24 | |
all manner of different cuts of diamonds, | 0:54:24 | 0:54:27 | |
mainly brilliants, and square-cut diamonds here. | 0:54:27 | 0:54:30 | |
I think we can safely give this the label which is often misused, | 0:54:30 | 0:54:35 | |
of being Art Deco. | 0:54:35 | 0:54:36 | |
-Yeah. -That implies it's made between 1927 and the early 1930s. | 0:54:36 | 0:54:42 | |
The reason we can see this - and you almost have to trust me for this - | 0:54:42 | 0:54:46 | |
is there are little references, | 0:54:46 | 0:54:48 | |
not only to geometry, | 0:54:48 | 0:54:49 | |
but also to Chinese works of art. | 0:54:49 | 0:54:52 | |
And they lie here with these circular discs. | 0:54:52 | 0:54:55 | |
This is a progression of design | 0:54:55 | 0:54:57 | |
that we see in the greatest jewellery houses of the world. | 0:54:57 | 0:55:01 | |
And I think this is of sufficient quality | 0:55:01 | 0:55:04 | |
to attribute it to such a jewellery house. | 0:55:04 | 0:55:07 | |
It's combined with very rich, intrinsic value. | 0:55:07 | 0:55:11 | |
We have six, considerably large, brilliant diamonds in here. | 0:55:11 | 0:55:15 | |
And this is rather like a sort of collision | 0:55:15 | 0:55:19 | |
of art and intrinsic value. | 0:55:19 | 0:55:21 | |
There's almost an atomic explosion as they crash together | 0:55:21 | 0:55:24 | |
because this is what everybody wants. | 0:55:24 | 0:55:26 | |
It's of a scale that everybody wants. | 0:55:26 | 0:55:29 | |
It's enviable, and with all of that comes huge excitement. | 0:55:29 | 0:55:33 | |
I don't know about you, but I'm nearly fainting. | 0:55:33 | 0:55:36 | |
-Yes. -Yes, you are. | 0:55:36 | 0:55:37 | |
I had a chance to look at it earlier | 0:55:37 | 0:55:40 | |
and I combed it all over for a signature | 0:55:40 | 0:55:42 | |
over a number of Parisian jewellers. | 0:55:42 | 0:55:45 | |
So, I might have liked it if it said Cartier, Van Cleef & Arpels, | 0:55:45 | 0:55:49 | |
or particularly Boucheron, who I sense actually made this jewel. | 0:55:49 | 0:55:53 | |
I did look very hard for these engraved signatures, | 0:55:53 | 0:55:56 | |
I didn't find them. What I did find | 0:55:56 | 0:55:58 | |
was that it had little guarantee marks for platinum on the side, | 0:55:58 | 0:56:02 | |
a little wolf's head, and then a maker's mark, | 0:56:02 | 0:56:05 | |
not a retailer's mark, which, in a lozenge mark, | 0:56:05 | 0:56:08 | |
which actually rather rubbed. | 0:56:08 | 0:56:10 | |
Unfortunately, I can't make any sense of that. | 0:56:10 | 0:56:12 | |
So, we've slightly lost height in not being able to pin its provenance | 0:56:12 | 0:56:16 | |
down to a specific, Art Deco, Parisian jeweller, | 0:56:16 | 0:56:20 | |
but we can see it's of the finest possible quality. | 0:56:20 | 0:56:23 | |
I'm sure that if you wanted to buy it, | 0:56:23 | 0:56:26 | |
in any distinguished jewellery shop, anywhere in the world, | 0:56:26 | 0:56:29 | |
you would have to pay £150,000. | 0:56:29 | 0:56:32 | |
GASPS | 0:56:32 | 0:56:34 | |
Oh, my God! | 0:56:34 | 0:56:36 | |
That's amazing. | 0:56:38 | 0:56:40 | |
Thank you. | 0:56:44 | 0:56:46 | |
Oh, darling! We're both going to cry. | 0:56:46 | 0:56:49 | |
That's unbelievable. | 0:56:49 | 0:56:51 | |
I could buy a Bentley now. | 0:56:51 | 0:56:54 | |
Could. | 0:56:54 | 0:56:55 | |
-Thank you. -No - thank you. | 0:56:55 | 0:56:57 | |
Set me off now, you silly old thing. | 0:56:57 | 0:56:59 | |
Ah! | 0:56:59 | 0:57:01 | |
That was a really emotional moment, wasn't it? | 0:57:07 | 0:57:09 | |
That lady clearly wasn't expecting that valuation at all. | 0:57:09 | 0:57:13 | |
Such beautiful diamonds. | 0:57:13 | 0:57:15 | |
So, we love to see you on the Antiques Roadshow. | 0:57:15 | 0:57:17 | |
From all of us here at Senate House in London, until next time, bye-bye. | 0:57:17 | 0:57:21 |