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Today, we're at the Oxford Union, | 0:00:03 | 0:00:05 | |
one of the oldest debating chambers in the world. | 0:00:05 | 0:00:07 | |
It occupies a unique place in world politics. | 0:00:07 | 0:00:10 | |
It was here in 1979 | 0:00:10 | 0:00:11 | |
that Richard Nixon gave his first speech after Watergate. | 0:00:11 | 0:00:15 | |
He admitted, "I screwed up and I've paid the price." | 0:00:15 | 0:00:18 | |
Let's hope our experts are on the game today. Welcome to "Flog It!" | 0:00:18 | 0:00:22 | |
The Oxford Union was created in 1823 | 0:00:45 | 0:00:48 | |
in response to the University's ban | 0:00:48 | 0:00:50 | |
on any discussion of politics or religion. | 0:00:50 | 0:00:54 | |
And since then, the union has gained a worldwide reputation | 0:00:54 | 0:00:57 | |
as a place where no topic is out of bounds, no matter how controversial. | 0:00:57 | 0:01:03 | |
One of the most famous names to address the chamber is Malcolm X. | 0:01:03 | 0:01:07 | |
When a black man strikes back, he's an extremist. | 0:01:07 | 0:01:10 | |
He's supposed to sit passively and have no feelings, | 0:01:10 | 0:01:13 | |
be non-violent and love his enemy. | 0:01:13 | 0:01:15 | |
No matter what kind of attack, | 0:01:15 | 0:01:17 | |
be it verbal or otherwise, he is supposed to take it. | 0:01:17 | 0:01:19 | |
The union has also played host to the likes of | 0:01:21 | 0:01:23 | |
the then President of the USA, Ronald Reagan, | 0:01:23 | 0:01:27 | |
the Dalai Lama and even Mother Teresa - hark at us, | 0:01:27 | 0:01:30 | |
rubbing shoulders with the great and the good! | 0:01:30 | 0:01:33 | |
It all starts right here, the door to the famous chamber. | 0:01:33 | 0:01:36 | |
Many debates have been won or lost over this threshold | 0:01:36 | 0:01:39 | |
and debates are decided by ayes to the left and noes to the right. | 0:01:39 | 0:01:44 | |
Now, I wonder if our experts will be using this as a system | 0:01:44 | 0:01:48 | |
to decide what goes off to auction? | 0:01:48 | 0:01:50 | |
Stimulating the debate today are two people hoping to | 0:01:50 | 0:01:54 | |
outdo each other on the antiques front. Mr Will Axon... | 0:01:54 | 0:01:57 | |
-What have you brought along today? -A bracelet. -She brought you along? | 0:01:57 | 0:02:02 | |
-Oi! -Thank you. | 0:02:02 | 0:02:03 | |
-..and Christina Trevanion. -They are gorgeous. | 0:02:03 | 0:02:07 | |
-And where did they come from? -Admirers in the past. | 0:02:07 | 0:02:10 | |
Oh, I wish I had admirers like that, who'd shower me with opals. | 0:02:10 | 0:02:13 | |
A long time ago now. | 0:02:13 | 0:02:15 | |
They're trawling the queue for antiques, unusual and elaborate. | 0:02:15 | 0:02:19 | |
-Oh, that's rather pretty. -Christina, what have you found there? | 0:02:20 | 0:02:23 | |
-It's mine! -Where's my stickers? -No, I've already done it. | 0:02:23 | 0:02:25 | |
Oh, look, she's already been marked. | 0:02:25 | 0:02:28 | |
So, without further ado, let's get everybody in. | 0:02:28 | 0:02:31 | |
I'm standing in the same spot where famous names such as Malcolm X | 0:02:35 | 0:02:38 | |
and Winston Churchill addressed this chamber. | 0:02:38 | 0:02:41 | |
We've got a packed show ahead, so...let the debate commence. | 0:02:41 | 0:02:46 | |
And coming up on today's show... | 0:02:50 | 0:02:52 | |
Who have I discovered behind-the-scenes? | 0:02:52 | 0:02:54 | |
He's instantly recognisable because of his mop of mad hair. | 0:02:54 | 0:02:58 | |
I love that photograph. | 0:02:58 | 0:03:00 | |
And whose salacious etchings has Will uncovered? | 0:03:00 | 0:03:04 | |
It's basically a report on his life of vice and self-destruction | 0:03:04 | 0:03:08 | |
after inheriting a fortune from his father. | 0:03:08 | 0:03:11 | |
Now, I'm up here in what's known as the Strangers' Gallery. | 0:03:15 | 0:03:18 | |
This would have been as far as non-members and ladies | 0:03:18 | 0:03:21 | |
would have been allowed to go in the old days. | 0:03:21 | 0:03:24 | |
Talking of ladies, we have the gorgeous Christina, | 0:03:24 | 0:03:27 | |
who's just below me there. | 0:03:27 | 0:03:28 | |
And it looks like she's found something incredibly interesting. | 0:03:28 | 0:03:31 | |
Let's take a closer look. | 0:03:31 | 0:03:34 | |
We're in one of the most famous debating chambers in the world... | 0:03:34 | 0:03:37 | |
-Yes. -..which has seen so many famous faces, | 0:03:37 | 0:03:39 | |
-and you've brought some more in to us here. -Yes. | 0:03:39 | 0:03:41 | |
-Tell me about this - this is your autograph book? -Yes. | 0:03:41 | 0:03:44 | |
It came down from my great-uncle, who died a couple of years ago. | 0:03:44 | 0:03:48 | |
He did all the lighting in the New Theatre round the corner, | 0:03:48 | 0:03:51 | |
-which is the oldest theatre in Oxford. -In Oxford? Oh, wow. | 0:03:51 | 0:03:54 | |
And he worked on a lot of the big productions, setting up | 0:03:54 | 0:03:57 | |
the lighting for them, for operas and musicals and ballet, you name it. | 0:03:57 | 0:04:02 | |
He worked long hours. | 0:04:02 | 0:04:03 | |
Like, eight o'clock in the morning till midnight. | 0:04:03 | 0:04:07 | |
-So it was more of a lifestyle? -It was, yeah. | 0:04:07 | 0:04:09 | |
And this is one of his autograph albums? | 0:04:09 | 0:04:11 | |
-Yeah. -I'd imagine you're quite familiar with it. -Yes. | 0:04:11 | 0:04:14 | |
-So, this is Ray? That's your uncle? -That's my great-uncle, yes. | 0:04:14 | 0:04:17 | |
-And New Theatre, Oxford. -New Theatre, Oxford, yes. -Brilliant. | 0:04:17 | 0:04:21 | |
So, who have we got here? | 0:04:21 | 0:04:22 | |
That's Coral Browne, who was a famous film star in the '50s. | 0:04:22 | 0:04:26 | |
-And then we've got...? -Vincent Price, who she was married to. | 0:04:26 | 0:04:29 | |
And Vincent Price was in the famous horror films. | 0:04:29 | 0:04:32 | |
Looking very dapper there, isn't he? Very, very dapper. | 0:04:32 | 0:04:36 | |
-At the back here, we've got Rex Harrison. -My Fair Lady, of course. | 0:04:36 | 0:04:40 | |
And we've got Sean Connery and his first wife, Diane Cilento. | 0:04:40 | 0:04:44 | |
-And I think she died two years ago. -Oh, right. Oh, gosh. | 0:04:44 | 0:04:49 | |
-Oh, gosh, who's this? -That's Marlene Dietrich. | 0:04:49 | 0:04:52 | |
Goodness me, that's a good one. That's a very good one. | 0:04:52 | 0:04:55 | |
-So, really, these look like '60s. -'60s, '70s, '80s, '90s. | 0:04:55 | 0:05:00 | |
So, how long was he working there? | 0:05:00 | 0:05:02 | |
-A long time - 40 years, something like that. -Goodness me. Wow. | 0:05:02 | 0:05:07 | |
I have to say, autographs are a bit of a tricky subject to value | 0:05:07 | 0:05:11 | |
because, unless they are really, really big names | 0:05:11 | 0:05:15 | |
like The Beatles, they don't command huge prices at auction. | 0:05:15 | 0:05:18 | |
But it is quite important in the history of the New Theatre. | 0:05:18 | 0:05:22 | |
This is a record of these people that came and performed. | 0:05:22 | 0:05:26 | |
Really, I would be looking at offering it somewhere | 0:05:26 | 0:05:29 | |
-maybe in the region of £60-£100. -OK. -Something like that. -That sounds OK. | 0:05:29 | 0:05:35 | |
I mean, that would be brilliant, because I wouldn't expect, you know... | 0:05:35 | 0:05:39 | |
It's very difficult. | 0:05:39 | 0:05:40 | |
-I know it's packed full of all these wonderful people. -No, that's brilliant. | 0:05:40 | 0:05:44 | |
But you have to think, well, | 0:05:44 | 0:05:45 | |
how much of a market would there be for it? | 0:05:45 | 0:05:48 | |
So, I think, if we put it at 60-100, | 0:05:48 | 0:05:50 | |
-it gives it a fighting chance. -That sounds brilliant. | 0:05:50 | 0:05:52 | |
I have a feeling that that Bond one, the Sean Connery one, might... | 0:05:52 | 0:05:55 | |
-Especially since it's 50 years of Bond this year. -Exactly, yes, exactly. | 0:05:55 | 0:05:58 | |
This building is no stranger to the A-list. | 0:06:00 | 0:06:03 | |
Alongside the great and the good, expounding their theories, | 0:06:03 | 0:06:06 | |
there have been plenty of guests to please the paparazzi. | 0:06:06 | 0:06:10 | |
Reality TV stars like Katie Price and Kerry Katona, | 0:06:11 | 0:06:14 | |
right through to amphibians, like Kermit the Frog, who proclaimed | 0:06:14 | 0:06:19 | |
"If Ronald Reagan can do it, then so can I." | 0:06:19 | 0:06:22 | |
There's certainly been an eclectic mix here. | 0:06:22 | 0:06:24 | |
Our very own matinee idol, Will Axon, | 0:06:26 | 0:06:28 | |
has managed to give the paparazzi the slip | 0:06:28 | 0:06:31 | |
to meet another Christina in the courtyard. | 0:06:31 | 0:06:33 | |
From the nice, warm golden plover of the winter sun behind us | 0:06:33 | 0:06:37 | |
to this nice, warm golden glow on the table. | 0:06:37 | 0:06:39 | |
It really caught my eye when this came out of your bag. | 0:06:39 | 0:06:42 | |
Christina, is this something that belongs to you? | 0:06:42 | 0:06:44 | |
-Or Lydia, is this yours? -No, it's mine. -Is it? -Yes. | 0:06:44 | 0:06:47 | |
Lydia's just come along for a bit of moral support, has she? | 0:06:47 | 0:06:49 | |
She has, yes. | 0:06:49 | 0:06:50 | |
Well, it's a charm bracelet, in gold, of course. | 0:06:50 | 0:06:53 | |
Mainly nine carat gold, as is common with charms and charm bracelets. | 0:06:53 | 0:06:58 | |
Does every charm tell a story? | 0:06:58 | 0:06:59 | |
Do you remember where each one came from? | 0:06:59 | 0:07:02 | |
Not particularly each one, but a lot of them came from Cornwall. | 0:07:02 | 0:07:06 | |
-As souvenirs? -We had holidays there, yes. | 0:07:06 | 0:07:08 | |
Or, perhaps the odd birthday present, or a Christmas present. | 0:07:08 | 0:07:11 | |
I always thought that, if you know someone who wore a charm bracelet, | 0:07:11 | 0:07:14 | |
you knew what to get them for their birthday or Christmas. | 0:07:14 | 0:07:17 | |
-Exactly, yes. -But of course, the trouble nowadays is, | 0:07:17 | 0:07:19 | |
who do you know who does wear a charm bracelet? | 0:07:19 | 0:07:21 | |
That's it, not very often these days. | 0:07:21 | 0:07:23 | |
I mean, Lydia, is that something that catches your eye? | 0:07:23 | 0:07:25 | |
Would you like to wear that? | 0:07:25 | 0:07:27 | |
-No. -No? -Maybe. -There's some fun charms on here, aren't there? | 0:07:27 | 0:07:30 | |
-There's a little steam train. -And then Aladdin. | 0:07:30 | 0:07:33 | |
-You're right, and Aladdin's lamp. -And I like the little fishy thing. | 0:07:33 | 0:07:36 | |
Oh, yes, look here, you've got little fish there as well. | 0:07:36 | 0:07:38 | |
-And Noah's ark. -And it opens and you see some things. -Yeah? | 0:07:38 | 0:07:43 | |
-The spaceman's legs move. -Do they? | 0:07:43 | 0:07:45 | |
-The pump moves. -The little bellows, you're right. | 0:07:45 | 0:07:49 | |
Look, they work, the little bellows are working. | 0:07:49 | 0:07:51 | |
I mean, great fun, really, but in a practical sense, | 0:07:51 | 0:07:55 | |
it's just not very wearable any more. | 0:07:55 | 0:07:57 | |
So, you've brought it to "Flog It!"!, | 0:07:57 | 0:07:59 | |
you obviously want to sell the piece, | 0:07:59 | 0:08:01 | |
and it's all going to be down to what it weighs. | 0:08:01 | 0:08:03 | |
It's that sort of scenario, I'm afraid. | 0:08:03 | 0:08:06 | |
Nine carat as well, | 0:08:06 | 0:08:07 | |
so it's not going to be as much as if it were a higher grade of gold, | 0:08:07 | 0:08:10 | |
but I still think you should be looking somewhere in the | 0:08:10 | 0:08:12 | |
region of say £600-£800, | 0:08:12 | 0:08:14 | |
which, for a little bracelet that probably sits in a drawer | 0:08:14 | 0:08:17 | |
-not doing a lot, it's a good amount of cash, isn't it? -It is. | 0:08:17 | 0:08:20 | |
So, what's the money going to go towards? | 0:08:20 | 0:08:22 | |
Divided up between the children and grandchildren. | 0:08:22 | 0:08:24 | |
-Everyone's going to get a little slice of it? -Yes. -Well, I think that's rather nice. | 0:08:24 | 0:08:28 | |
They'd rather nowadays probably prefer the cash than | 0:08:28 | 0:08:31 | |
-they would an old charm, wouldn't they? -Exactly, yeah. | 0:08:31 | 0:08:33 | |
Will you be able to make the auction, do you think, Lydia? | 0:08:33 | 0:08:36 | |
-No, because I will be at school. -Oh, that's true. | 0:08:36 | 0:08:38 | |
-We'll give you a wave, how's that, when we're at an auction? -OK. -OK. | 0:08:38 | 0:08:41 | |
-It's been a pleasure meeting you both. -Thank you very much. | 0:08:41 | 0:08:44 | |
-I'm sure we'll get this away for you. -OK, thank you. | 0:08:44 | 0:08:47 | |
# Oxford town, Oxford town | 0:08:47 | 0:08:49 | |
# Everybody's got their heads bowed down | 0:08:49 | 0:08:51 | |
# The sun don't shine above the ground | 0:08:51 | 0:08:53 | |
# Ain't a-going down to Oxford town. # | 0:08:53 | 0:08:56 | |
And back inside, our very own Christina | 0:08:56 | 0:08:58 | |
is slightly confused by her next item. | 0:08:58 | 0:09:01 | |
-So, Hilary? -Yes, Christina. | 0:09:01 | 0:09:03 | |
-You've brought us an egg. -I have. It's a nutmeg grater. -Ah! | 0:09:03 | 0:09:07 | |
-Yes. -So, not an egg. -It's not an egg from the golden goose. | 0:09:07 | 0:09:11 | |
-It would be nice, wouldn't it? -It's a nutmeg grater. | 0:09:11 | 0:09:14 | |
It's a nutmeg grater. And where's it come from? | 0:09:14 | 0:09:16 | |
It came from my uncle, and he's quite well known. Well, he was. | 0:09:16 | 0:09:21 | |
His name is Hubert Noel Charles | 0:09:21 | 0:09:23 | |
and he designed the very first MG motor car. | 0:09:23 | 0:09:27 | |
Oh, wow! That's quite exciting. | 0:09:27 | 0:09:29 | |
-Very exciting, yes. -So, do you have a large collection of MGs at home? | 0:09:29 | 0:09:33 | |
No, unfortunately. That's one thing I ought to have. | 0:09:33 | 0:09:37 | |
-Gosh. Wow-ee. Was this his? -That was his, yes. | 0:09:37 | 0:09:40 | |
And I don't know whether it belonged to his parents, | 0:09:40 | 0:09:42 | |
because it is fairly old, I believe. | 0:09:42 | 0:09:44 | |
-And it's come through the family? -Come through the family. | 0:09:44 | 0:09:47 | |
Well, we can tell it's a nutmeg grater, obviously, | 0:09:47 | 0:09:49 | |
because if we have a little look on the inside, | 0:09:49 | 0:09:52 | |
we've got this wonderful grate in here. | 0:09:52 | 0:09:55 | |
Now, nutmeg graters are quite collectable | 0:09:55 | 0:09:57 | |
and I believe you've already done quite a lot of research on this? | 0:09:57 | 0:10:00 | |
-Yes, I have. -And you know it's by Samuel Meriton. -Yes. | 0:10:00 | 0:10:04 | |
Unfortunately, we don't know the actual date that it was made. | 0:10:04 | 0:10:07 | |
Often, small silver didn't have any duty payable on it, | 0:10:07 | 0:10:10 | |
-so he didn't actually put the date mark. -Oh, I see. | 0:10:10 | 0:10:13 | |
So, we've got this wonderful maker's stamp in the bottom, here, | 0:10:13 | 0:10:17 | |
but sadly, no date. | 0:10:17 | 0:10:20 | |
But we know that he was working in the 1800s, the late 19th century. | 0:10:20 | 0:10:26 | |
After the establishment of the East India Company, | 0:10:26 | 0:10:29 | |
spices and nutmeg were much more readily available, | 0:10:29 | 0:10:32 | |
so you would grate your nutmeg into your wine | 0:10:32 | 0:10:35 | |
to make it taste slightly more palatable. | 0:10:35 | 0:10:37 | |
So, they weren't carried by the very most affluent members of society | 0:10:37 | 0:10:41 | |
because, if you were affluent, frankly, you could afford good wine. | 0:10:41 | 0:10:45 | |
They didn't put it on food, then, the nutmeg on food? | 0:10:45 | 0:10:48 | |
-Sometimes, but more commonly it was in wine. -Oh, right. | 0:10:48 | 0:10:50 | |
So, very, very pretty. Very collectable. | 0:10:50 | 0:10:54 | |
-And I love the fact that it is just so simple. -Yes. | 0:10:54 | 0:10:57 | |
And like you say, it's lovely and warm, because you've been holding it. | 0:10:57 | 0:11:00 | |
I've been holding it - it's very tactile, isn't it? | 0:11:00 | 0:11:02 | |
-You've kept it really toasty! -It's lovely, yes. | 0:11:02 | 0:11:05 | |
It is hollow, so you would expect some sort of damage | 0:11:05 | 0:11:08 | |
-and, sadly, this happened. -It's only a slight one. | 0:11:08 | 0:11:11 | |
Only a slight dent, we'll just gloss over that. | 0:11:11 | 0:11:14 | |
Yes, but they can be... | 0:11:14 | 0:11:15 | |
Value wise, what are you expecting? | 0:11:17 | 0:11:19 | |
Well, yes, I know a couple of years ago I was offered about £230 for it. | 0:11:19 | 0:11:26 | |
-Oh, my goodness. -So, I should have sold it then, really. But never mind. | 0:11:26 | 0:11:31 | |
They tend to be fetching in the region of £120-£180. | 0:11:31 | 0:11:35 | |
So, I would hope that it would make in the middle of that at least. | 0:11:35 | 0:11:38 | |
I would be comfortable at putting a firm reserve of 120. | 0:11:38 | 0:11:41 | |
I think you'd be very disappointed if it went for any less than that. | 0:11:41 | 0:11:44 | |
-If it went less than 150, really. -Oh, really? -Yes, I would. | 0:11:44 | 0:11:50 | |
OK. If we put the reserve at 150, we'd have to put it at £150-£200. | 0:11:50 | 0:11:54 | |
That sounds good, Christina. And keep our fingers crossed. | 0:11:54 | 0:11:57 | |
-Keep our fingers very crossed! -Yes! | 0:11:57 | 0:11:59 | |
Are you going to put the proceeds towards an MG? | 0:11:59 | 0:12:03 | |
-No, I think a nice long holiday. -Oh, that sounds good! | 0:12:03 | 0:12:06 | |
Next up, it's Will, who's high up in the ladies gallery, | 0:12:10 | 0:12:13 | |
and he appears to have found quite a catch! | 0:12:13 | 0:12:16 | |
Well, we've got a great birds-eye view of the valuation day | 0:12:16 | 0:12:19 | |
below us, haven't we? Perched up here on the balcony. | 0:12:19 | 0:12:21 | |
And what a great view we have of this wonderful piece of jade | 0:12:21 | 0:12:24 | |
-you've brought in. -Isn't it? | 0:12:24 | 0:12:25 | |
-Hannah, tell me... -A big lumpy thing! | 0:12:25 | 0:12:27 | |
A big lumpy thing! I've seen... I've heard them | 0:12:27 | 0:12:29 | |
described as certain... Never like that before! | 0:12:29 | 0:12:32 | |
But tell me, how did a piece of Chinese jade come to be in Oxford? | 0:12:32 | 0:12:36 | |
It was given to me a long time ago, about ten years ago, | 0:12:36 | 0:12:40 | |
but I don't really remember by whom. I know more or less what... | 0:12:40 | 0:12:45 | |
-Just a stranger, was it, who came up to you? -No, no, no, no! | 0:12:45 | 0:12:47 | |
-It was one of my patients. -Oh, a patient? Are you in the medical...? | 0:12:47 | 0:12:51 | |
-Physiotherapist. -Physiotherapy? So, a grateful patient... -Yeah. | 0:12:51 | 0:12:55 | |
..who you worked your magic on, | 0:12:55 | 0:12:57 | |
gave you this piece of carved jade as a thank you? | 0:12:57 | 0:13:00 | |
-But a very long time ago. -OK. | 0:13:00 | 0:13:02 | |
I mean, jade has always been very highly prized by the Chinese, | 0:13:02 | 0:13:06 | |
-more so than even gold and silver. -Oh. | 0:13:06 | 0:13:09 | |
-In the times of antiquity... -Yes? | 0:13:09 | 0:13:11 | |
-..it was very much a ceremonial material. -Mm-hm? | 0:13:11 | 0:13:14 | |
There were connections with the afterlife, | 0:13:14 | 0:13:16 | |
animals carved in jade, people thought they brought good luck. | 0:13:16 | 0:13:19 | |
Occasionally, these were put in tombs and they helped people | 0:13:19 | 0:13:23 | |
through the afterlife as a guide, that sort of thing. | 0:13:23 | 0:13:26 | |
Is this only decorative or does it have any use? | 0:13:26 | 0:13:29 | |
Well, I think, by the time we come to your piece of jade here, we are | 0:13:29 | 0:13:33 | |
-looking at a decorative piece. -OK. | 0:13:33 | 0:13:35 | |
It's really a carver showing off their skills. | 0:13:35 | 0:13:39 | |
-You can notice that we've got the two colours of jade. -Yeah. | 0:13:39 | 0:13:42 | |
-This is what we would call a piece of sort of green and russet jade. -Yeah. | 0:13:42 | 0:13:45 | |
The early Chinese carvers of jade were using the natural formation | 0:13:45 | 0:13:49 | |
of the stone to convey what they wanted, you know. | 0:13:49 | 0:13:52 | |
Maybe the characteristics of the animal they were carving. | 0:13:52 | 0:13:55 | |
-A lot of the time, you see horses and buffaloes and so on. -Yeah. | 0:13:55 | 0:13:58 | |
-Do you like it? -No. -You don't? -I definitely don't like it. | 0:13:58 | 0:14:01 | |
-I think it's lumpy and big. -Hmm, and what do you like, then? | 0:14:01 | 0:14:05 | |
-Do you collect anything? -Small things. I like miniature things. | 0:14:05 | 0:14:08 | |
-Ah, always popular, miniature items. -The smaller, the better. -Yes. | 0:14:08 | 0:14:12 | |
-Well, we've got to come to value, haven't we? -Yeah. | 0:14:12 | 0:14:15 | |
It's not going to be in the same sort of league as an ancient | 0:14:15 | 0:14:18 | |
piece of carved jade, which is, of course, highly-prized by the Chinese. | 0:14:18 | 0:14:22 | |
-Presently, they're buying a lot of it back. -Yeah. | 0:14:22 | 0:14:24 | |
But I think it's still going to appeal to the market and I'd like | 0:14:24 | 0:14:27 | |
to sort of put it in at a sort of slightly conservative estimate. | 0:14:27 | 0:14:31 | |
-OK. -What do you feel like, if I put it in at £100, | 0:14:31 | 0:14:34 | |
-would you be happy with that? -That's fine, yes. | 0:14:34 | 0:14:36 | |
-You just want it away? -I just want it away. | 0:14:36 | 0:14:38 | |
I'll tell you what, let's have a gamble. | 0:14:38 | 0:14:40 | |
-Let's put it in at £100-150, with an estimate. -OK. | 0:14:40 | 0:14:43 | |
-But let's not put a reserve on it, so... -No, I don't want a reserve. | 0:14:43 | 0:14:46 | |
-You don't? -I want to get rid of it, really. | 0:14:46 | 0:14:48 | |
You're my ideal client. We're going to be sure of a sale on the day. | 0:14:48 | 0:14:51 | |
-I look forward... -You'll sell it for £10, yes. -No, I hope not. | 0:14:51 | 0:14:54 | |
Look, the auctioneer's working in your interest. | 0:14:54 | 0:14:57 | |
-The more you get, the more he gets. -Oh, OK. -So don't worry about that. | 0:14:57 | 0:15:00 | |
Good, thank you very much. | 0:15:00 | 0:15:01 | |
Before we head off to auction, | 0:15:09 | 0:15:10 | |
there is something I would like to show you. | 0:15:10 | 0:15:13 | |
Looking around this lido, | 0:15:18 | 0:15:19 | |
it's hard to believe this was once the place to be seen! | 0:15:19 | 0:15:23 | |
But rewind 40 years and Kings Meadow was once a teenage hang-out - | 0:15:26 | 0:15:30 | |
the British version of the American drive-in. | 0:15:30 | 0:15:33 | |
This place would be queued out of the door with keen swimmers, | 0:15:36 | 0:15:40 | |
and the average cost to take a dip was just sixpence. | 0:15:40 | 0:15:43 | |
Today, Kings Meadow is a shadow of its former self. | 0:15:46 | 0:15:49 | |
It closed to the general public in 1974 and, since then, | 0:15:49 | 0:15:54 | |
it's suffered damage, decay and even threat of demolition. | 0:15:54 | 0:15:58 | |
As you can see, it is in a sorry state. It needs a lot of TLC. | 0:15:58 | 0:16:02 | |
In fact, £1.5 million worth of TLC to be precise. | 0:16:02 | 0:16:07 | |
If this goes, then so does a vital part of our heritage. | 0:16:09 | 0:16:12 | |
So, can this lido make a big splash again? | 0:16:12 | 0:16:15 | |
Kings Meadow Lido was built in 1902 | 0:16:18 | 0:16:20 | |
and, although it's a listed building, | 0:16:20 | 0:16:23 | |
it is dependent on volunteers for support. | 0:16:23 | 0:16:26 | |
With such a big amount to raise, | 0:16:26 | 0:16:28 | |
the Kings Meadow campaigners have a long way to go. | 0:16:28 | 0:16:31 | |
Leading the charge are Anne and Richard Jessel. | 0:16:31 | 0:16:34 | |
When you think of it - it's 110 years old - | 0:16:35 | 0:16:39 | |
it isn't looking so bad, to be honest. | 0:16:39 | 0:16:42 | |
Anne was a high board diver, | 0:16:42 | 0:16:43 | |
who spent many a day practising her backflips at the lido. | 0:16:43 | 0:16:47 | |
I used to be a diver and my parents used to take me around the country | 0:16:51 | 0:16:56 | |
and a lot of the lidos that I used to dive in, very sadly, | 0:16:56 | 0:16:59 | |
they have now disappeared. | 0:16:59 | 0:17:01 | |
I mean, just look at this pool. | 0:17:01 | 0:17:03 | |
110 years old, built specifically for ladies, OK? | 0:17:03 | 0:17:08 | |
Ladies had the priority here. | 0:17:08 | 0:17:10 | |
Considering there was a gentleman's pool right opposite, | 0:17:10 | 0:17:14 | |
they had the right idea when they built it, half-canopied like this, | 0:17:14 | 0:17:19 | |
because, in those days, women bathers were very, very private. | 0:17:19 | 0:17:25 | |
So, um... HE LAUGHS | 0:17:25 | 0:17:26 | |
..I've always said that, the first month of bathing in this pool, | 0:17:26 | 0:17:31 | |
nobody would be allowed in unless they were all wearing | 0:17:31 | 0:17:34 | |
Edwardian bathing dress. | 0:17:34 | 0:17:36 | |
That would be nice if, when we get to the point of restoring it | 0:17:36 | 0:17:39 | |
back for everybody to use. | 0:17:39 | 0:17:42 | |
Look at the way the quality of all the work, architecture, | 0:17:42 | 0:17:46 | |
everything, is so nice! This must not disappear. | 0:17:46 | 0:17:50 | |
Well, this is safe here for you, Anne - it's the shallow end. | 0:17:50 | 0:17:53 | |
The diving board shouldn't be here. | 0:17:53 | 0:17:55 | |
What do you mean it's safe for me at the shallow end?! I'm a diver! | 0:17:55 | 0:17:58 | |
The golden age of lidos began in the 1930s, | 0:18:02 | 0:18:05 | |
when outdoor swimming was all the rage. | 0:18:05 | 0:18:08 | |
Over 150 lidos sprang up across the UK. | 0:18:08 | 0:18:12 | |
They provided cheap public swimming and were part of a great | 0:18:12 | 0:18:15 | |
and modernist movement to encourage health and fitness. | 0:18:15 | 0:18:20 | |
If you couldn't afford to go abroad in the summer, | 0:18:20 | 0:18:22 | |
the lido was the next best thing. | 0:18:22 | 0:18:25 | |
96-year-old Charlie swam in this pool almost every day | 0:18:25 | 0:18:29 | |
and he's still fighting fit. | 0:18:29 | 0:18:32 | |
You feel alive in the open air! | 0:18:32 | 0:18:34 | |
You feel refreshed! | 0:18:34 | 0:18:36 | |
Even with rain, you get warm rain on you, er, when...in the summer. | 0:18:36 | 0:18:43 | |
So it doesn't matter if it's raining! | 0:18:43 | 0:18:45 | |
But, er, everything is lively. | 0:18:45 | 0:18:48 | |
And people are so much happier! | 0:18:49 | 0:18:52 | |
What was the lido like in its heyday? | 0:18:52 | 0:18:55 | |
There was often queues to get in. | 0:18:55 | 0:18:58 | |
It was a thoroughly enjoyable pool. | 0:18:58 | 0:19:00 | |
But their popularity could not last for ever. | 0:19:01 | 0:19:04 | |
Many were put out of business in the 1960s and '70s, | 0:19:05 | 0:19:08 | |
when foreign travel became much cheaper | 0:19:08 | 0:19:10 | |
and most people could afford to go abroad, and they shunned the lido. | 0:19:10 | 0:19:15 | |
But in recent years, outdoor swimming has been enjoying something | 0:19:15 | 0:19:18 | |
of a renaissance and the lido has been caught up in this wave. | 0:19:18 | 0:19:21 | |
To see what the Kings Meadow Lido could become, | 0:19:32 | 0:19:35 | |
take a look at Clifton Lido in Bristol. | 0:19:35 | 0:19:38 | |
It was almost demolished to make way for flats, | 0:19:40 | 0:19:43 | |
but in 2007, it was saved and underwent a £2 million restoration. | 0:19:43 | 0:19:48 | |
Mal Sainsbury is once again a Clifton Lido regular. | 0:19:53 | 0:19:57 | |
I used to come in the '70s. | 0:20:00 | 0:20:01 | |
The hot summer of '76, with my small children, | 0:20:01 | 0:20:04 | |
and, um, it's amazing to have an oasis like this | 0:20:04 | 0:20:07 | |
and how I missed it and mourned it when it was closed all those years. | 0:20:07 | 0:20:10 | |
The benefits of outdoor swimming cannot be underestimated. | 0:20:12 | 0:20:16 | |
It's a wonderful place to come early in the morning. | 0:20:16 | 0:20:18 | |
I swim before dawn three times a week at least and to see, | 0:20:18 | 0:20:21 | |
winter or summer or spring, to see the day dawning, it just puts | 0:20:21 | 0:20:25 | |
a whole new perspective on your day ahead, cos it makes you feel... | 0:20:25 | 0:20:29 | |
It makes you feel real somehow and connected with yourself. | 0:20:29 | 0:20:32 | |
It's fantastic. | 0:20:32 | 0:20:33 | |
Clifton Lido is now a private health club, | 0:20:36 | 0:20:39 | |
but the original aim of the lido was cheap, public swimming. | 0:20:39 | 0:20:43 | |
The building has been restored, but the message has been somewhat lost. | 0:20:43 | 0:20:47 | |
However, in this economic climate, | 0:20:49 | 0:20:51 | |
the restoration of lidos, like Kings Meadow, | 0:20:51 | 0:20:54 | |
depends upon the passion and the enthusiasm of lido fans. | 0:20:54 | 0:20:58 | |
Anne and Richard are still fundraising and, | 0:20:58 | 0:21:01 | |
if they succeed, they will ensure | 0:21:01 | 0:21:04 | |
that the next generation of outdoor swimmers enjoy the bracing waters. | 0:21:04 | 0:21:09 | |
How can we possibly lose it? | 0:21:09 | 0:21:11 | |
I mean, Reading would look upon this - if it was restored, | 0:21:11 | 0:21:14 | |
or WHEN it is restored, I hasten to say - as a jewel in the town. | 0:21:14 | 0:21:20 | |
Well, it's clear the appetite for outdoor swimming is here | 0:21:22 | 0:21:25 | |
and what better way to build on the back of a successful Olympics | 0:21:25 | 0:21:30 | |
than to restore our lidos back to their former glory? | 0:21:30 | 0:21:33 | |
So, come on, pull on a pair of bathers, pop on a swim cap, | 0:21:33 | 0:21:36 | |
and take the plunge outdoors! | 0:21:36 | 0:21:38 | |
Before we head off to auction for the first time today, | 0:21:46 | 0:21:49 | |
I want to show you the union cafe. | 0:21:49 | 0:21:51 | |
Behind me are hundreds of photographs of | 0:21:51 | 0:21:53 | |
some of the famous people who've spoken in the debating chamber. | 0:21:53 | 0:21:57 | |
Up there, you can see Pierce Brosnan, 007. | 0:21:57 | 0:22:00 | |
The Labour MP, Tony Benn. | 0:22:00 | 0:22:02 | |
Up there, one of my favourite actors, Bill Nighy. | 0:22:02 | 0:22:05 | |
And of course, Shakira. But I wonder what she had to say? | 0:22:05 | 0:22:07 | |
Anyway, I'm digressing right now. | 0:22:07 | 0:22:09 | |
It's time to put those valuations to the test. | 0:22:09 | 0:22:11 | |
And no doubt, there's going to be another debate in the auction room. | 0:22:11 | 0:22:14 | |
Here's a quick recap of what's going under the hammer. | 0:22:14 | 0:22:17 | |
We have Tracey's autograph book, jam-packed with famous faces. | 0:22:17 | 0:22:22 | |
Christina and Lydia's charm bracelet, complete with 24 charms. | 0:22:23 | 0:22:27 | |
Will they be lucky in the saleroom? | 0:22:27 | 0:22:31 | |
Will it be Hannah's Japanese jade model in the shape of a carp | 0:22:31 | 0:22:35 | |
that the bidders flock to? | 0:22:35 | 0:22:37 | |
And of course, Hilary's unusual nutmeg grater. | 0:22:38 | 0:22:43 | |
Will she get the high price she wants for it? | 0:22:43 | 0:22:45 | |
Our auction today comes from Newbury, near Reading. | 0:22:45 | 0:22:48 | |
Among the famous names who hail from Newbury | 0:22:48 | 0:22:51 | |
are Sebastian Faulks, author of Birdsong. | 0:22:51 | 0:22:53 | |
And musical impresario, Andrew Lloyd Webber, | 0:22:53 | 0:22:57 | |
both of whom have spoken at Oxford Union. | 0:22:57 | 0:23:00 | |
In charge of today's proceedings | 0:23:01 | 0:23:03 | |
is our all-singing, all-dancing auctioneer, Thomas Plant. | 0:23:03 | 0:23:06 | |
Go on! 80, he says. Yes! £80. | 0:23:06 | 0:23:11 | |
And the house is absolutely packed. | 0:23:11 | 0:23:13 | |
And our own star turn's first lot is that nutmeg grater, | 0:23:15 | 0:23:19 | |
handy for 19th-century wine. | 0:23:19 | 0:23:21 | |
Hilary, sadly, cannot be with us today | 0:23:21 | 0:23:23 | |
but I'm joined by Christina, our lovely expert. | 0:23:23 | 0:23:26 | |
And we're just about to put that silver nutmeg grater under the hammer. Aren't we? | 0:23:26 | 0:23:30 | |
-Hilary was offered £230 for this not so long ago. -Yeah, no pressure! | 0:23:30 | 0:23:35 | |
-No pressure! -Thanks! | 0:23:35 | 0:23:37 | |
It's a different kettle of fish in an auction. | 0:23:37 | 0:23:40 | |
It can either go higher and hit that result, | 0:23:40 | 0:23:42 | |
or it can go slightly lower. That's the fun of the auction. | 0:23:42 | 0:23:44 | |
In the market that we're in, nutmeg graters are very easy to collect. | 0:23:44 | 0:23:47 | |
They're small, you can collect a lot of them. | 0:23:47 | 0:23:49 | |
-So, hopefully... -It's stamped SM, isn't it? | 0:23:49 | 0:23:52 | |
So, we know who the maker is, Samuel Menton or Meriton. | 0:23:52 | 0:23:55 | |
But there's those dents, which worry me. | 0:23:55 | 0:23:57 | |
It's going to have to have a little bit of work, but... | 0:23:57 | 0:24:00 | |
-Right. -OK. -Here we go, then. Ready? Good luck, this is it. | 0:24:00 | 0:24:04 | |
The 19th-century silver nutmeg grater. | 0:24:04 | 0:24:06 | |
And I can start the bidding with me here at £150, with me. | 0:24:06 | 0:24:11 | |
160, 170, 180, 190. 200, and ten. | 0:24:11 | 0:24:15 | |
220, and I'm out. At 220, it is. At 220, and I'm out. | 0:24:15 | 0:24:19 | |
It's in the room at 220. Any advance at 220? | 0:24:19 | 0:24:22 | |
Selling, then, 220 it is. | 0:24:22 | 0:24:25 | |
-Well, that was a good result. I'm happy with that. -I hope Hilary is. | 0:24:25 | 0:24:28 | |
I'm sure she is. Hilary, if you're watching this, | 0:24:28 | 0:24:30 | |
-I know there's a big smile on your face and that's what it's all about. -Yes, exactly, yes. | 0:24:30 | 0:24:34 | |
If you've got anything like that at home, we'd love to see it. | 0:24:34 | 0:24:38 | |
Bring it into one of our valuation days. | 0:24:38 | 0:24:40 | |
It's a cracking start and Thomas has more good news for our next item. | 0:24:40 | 0:24:44 | |
Five, 60, five... | 0:24:44 | 0:24:46 | |
There are a few keen jewellery buffs in the room today, | 0:24:46 | 0:24:49 | |
so he has high hopes | 0:24:49 | 0:24:50 | |
that Christina's bracelet will charm them. | 0:24:50 | 0:24:53 | |
He's even upped the reserve. | 0:24:53 | 0:24:55 | |
We've been talking about this bracelet which is just about to go under the hammer. | 0:24:55 | 0:24:58 | |
There's all sorts of things going on. | 0:24:58 | 0:25:00 | |
-There's the little church, isn't there? -Yes. | 0:25:00 | 0:25:02 | |
-There's a £5 note. -Yes. -There's an oil lamp. | 0:25:02 | 0:25:04 | |
Yeah. The spaceman, that was my favourite. | 0:25:04 | 0:25:06 | |
Was that Lydia's favourite as well? On the valuation day, little Lydia. | 0:25:06 | 0:25:09 | |
And it is a shame, because you think, | 0:25:09 | 0:25:11 | |
the work that goes into making these little charms. | 0:25:11 | 0:25:13 | |
You were mentioning the church and the steeple, | 0:25:13 | 0:25:16 | |
the doors that open and all the people inside. | 0:25:16 | 0:25:18 | |
It's unfortunate that I don't think they're going to last very long. | 0:25:18 | 0:25:21 | |
Shame, really, isn't it? | 0:25:21 | 0:25:24 | |
The other good thing about gold is, of course, that it is recycled. | 0:25:24 | 0:25:27 | |
Those will be melted down and they'll be made into another | 0:25:27 | 0:25:30 | |
piece of jewellery that someone else is going to wear for years, | 0:25:30 | 0:25:34 | |
-so it's a sort of cyclic notion, isn't it? -It is, really. | 0:25:34 | 0:25:37 | |
Anyway, let's put it to the test. What's it worth? | 0:25:37 | 0:25:40 | |
Thomas is going to tell us. Here we go. | 0:25:40 | 0:25:42 | |
And this is the impressive nine carat gold charm bracelet. | 0:25:42 | 0:25:45 | |
There we are, lots of charms on this one. | 0:25:45 | 0:25:47 | |
I will start the bidding with me here, straight in at £600 with me. | 0:25:47 | 0:25:51 | |
At £600, I have. 600...and 20. 650? | 0:25:51 | 0:25:56 | |
680, if you want to. 680, and I'm out. At 680, it's in the room. 700. | 0:25:56 | 0:26:02 | |
At £700 in the room. Is there any advance at £700? | 0:26:02 | 0:26:06 | |
Very last chance at 700 and I sell. | 0:26:06 | 0:26:09 | |
-Thank you very much. -I'm happy with that. | 0:26:09 | 0:26:11 | |
-You're happy with that as well, aren't you? -Yes. | 0:26:11 | 0:26:13 | |
The children will be happy. | 0:26:13 | 0:26:15 | |
Oh, right - are they going to benefit? | 0:26:15 | 0:26:16 | |
It's their inheritance. | 0:26:16 | 0:26:18 | |
Well, give our best to Lydia as well. | 0:26:18 | 0:26:20 | |
I'm sorry she couldn't make it. | 0:26:20 | 0:26:22 | |
Lydia will be pleased. | 0:26:22 | 0:26:24 | |
And now to a delightful piece of jade that's travelled | 0:26:24 | 0:26:26 | |
all the way from China! | 0:26:26 | 0:26:28 | |
I've just been joined by Hanneke, who's come all the way from? | 0:26:28 | 0:26:31 | |
-Oxford. -Oxford! -LAUGHTER | 0:26:31 | 0:26:34 | |
-Originally though? -Holland! | 0:26:34 | 0:26:35 | |
From Holland, yes. I know they get the show in Holland. | 0:26:35 | 0:26:38 | |
-It's very popular. -I'm always getting letters from Holland. | 0:26:38 | 0:26:41 | |
-Exceptionally popular! -People come here especially from Holland. -Yes. | 0:26:41 | 0:26:44 | |
Your jade is exquisite. | 0:26:44 | 0:26:46 | |
-I really like this little carved carp on there... -That's right. | 0:26:46 | 0:26:48 | |
-..going through the reeds. -Nice quality. -Beautiful! | 0:26:48 | 0:26:51 | |
-Why are you selling this? -I hardly dare say it. | 0:26:51 | 0:26:53 | |
-I don't like it. -You don't like it? -PAUL AND WILL LAUGH | 0:26:53 | 0:26:56 | |
-You do. I do. -That's what the market wants. -Yes! -You don't like something, | 0:26:56 | 0:26:59 | |
-someone else does - keeps the whole thing moving. -Yeah. | 0:26:59 | 0:27:01 | |
-That's what art's all about. It's an arbitrary concept. -Yes. | 0:27:01 | 0:27:04 | |
-It's quite subjective. -Mm-hm. -I like miniature things, so... | 0:27:04 | 0:27:07 | |
-I think this is flavour of the month right now. -Good. | 0:27:07 | 0:27:10 | |
So, let's put it to the test, shall we? | 0:27:10 | 0:27:12 | |
I've a Chinese jade carving, models a carp amongst leaves. There we are. | 0:27:12 | 0:27:16 | |
Good condition, this piece here. | 0:27:16 | 0:27:18 | |
I have bids here with me, straight in at £80. | 0:27:18 | 0:27:21 | |
-£80. -Is there any advance at 80? | 0:27:21 | 0:27:24 | |
85 and I'm out. Straight out at 85. | 0:27:24 | 0:27:26 | |
Any advance at 85? It's in the audience. | 0:27:26 | 0:27:28 | |
At £85, make no mistake, can I sell? | 0:27:28 | 0:27:31 | |
85. | 0:27:31 | 0:27:33 | |
It's gone! Blink and you'll miss that, | 0:27:33 | 0:27:35 | |
-that was so quick. -I like that. -A bid came in at 80, we got £85. | 0:27:35 | 0:27:38 | |
-Yeah. -Hammer's come down. Happy with that? | 0:27:38 | 0:27:40 | |
-Happy with anything. -We were worried about the reserve. | 0:27:40 | 0:27:42 | |
It had no reserve, but we didn't need to in the end, did we? | 0:27:42 | 0:27:45 | |
Thank you very much. | 0:27:45 | 0:27:46 | |
I think Hannah would've taken £2.50 and a packet of crisps! | 0:27:48 | 0:27:51 | |
She really did not like that jade. | 0:27:51 | 0:27:53 | |
And hopefully, the new owner will appreciate it a little bit more. | 0:27:53 | 0:27:57 | |
Now, it's time to auction that jam-packed autograph book | 0:27:57 | 0:28:00 | |
brought in by Tracey. | 0:28:00 | 0:28:01 | |
There's some top names there, | 0:28:01 | 0:28:03 | |
collected at the New Oxford Theatre from the 1950s onwards. | 0:28:03 | 0:28:06 | |
And in fact, Thomas is on the rostrum announcing them now. | 0:28:06 | 0:28:08 | |
Bernard Cribbins, Jon Pertwee, Tommy Steele, Vincent Price. | 0:28:08 | 0:28:13 | |
Well, there's some wonderful names here. | 0:28:13 | 0:28:15 | |
-What was your favourite one? -Sean Connery. -James Bond! -Yes! | 0:28:15 | 0:28:22 | |
This is a comprehensive and well presented collection of autographs. | 0:28:22 | 0:28:26 | |
Plenty of interest. | 0:28:26 | 0:28:28 | |
I can start this one at 130, 140, 150, 160 with me. | 0:28:28 | 0:28:34 | |
-£160 against you. 160... -£160! -Is there any advance at £160? | 0:28:34 | 0:28:41 | |
-At 160, I have. -Fantastic. -Against you all, 160. | 0:28:41 | 0:28:46 | |
Hammer's gone down, straight in, straight out. £160. | 0:28:46 | 0:28:50 | |
He was a great man. | 0:28:50 | 0:28:52 | |
-Up there, he's probably quite pleased. -I hope so. | 0:28:52 | 0:28:57 | |
-Thank you very much. -What a great ending. That was a big surprise. | 0:28:57 | 0:29:01 | |
That IS a big surprise. | 0:29:01 | 0:29:02 | |
Many famous debates have been delivered at the Oxford Union, | 0:29:07 | 0:29:10 | |
but what do the words we write say about us? | 0:29:10 | 0:29:12 | |
Not the words themselves, but the text they're written in. | 0:29:12 | 0:29:15 | |
We can all use the computer these days and we can choose whether | 0:29:15 | 0:29:18 | |
our letters look better in Arial or classic Times New Roman, | 0:29:18 | 0:29:22 | |
but who designs these fonts? | 0:29:22 | 0:29:24 | |
Well, while we're filming in the area, I went off to investigate. | 0:29:24 | 0:29:27 | |
# A, B, C | 0:29:31 | 0:29:33 | |
# Easy as one, two, three | 0:29:33 | 0:29:36 | |
# As simple as do, re, mi | 0:29:36 | 0:29:38 | |
# A, B, C | 0:29:38 | 0:29:39 | |
# One, to, three | 0:29:39 | 0:29:40 | |
# Baby, you and me, girl... # | 0:29:40 | 0:29:43 | |
Fonts - they are everywhere. We're surrounded by them. | 0:29:43 | 0:29:46 | |
I've come to the Type Museum here in Stockwell to find out a bit more. | 0:29:48 | 0:29:52 | |
Fonts are basically clothes that words are dressed up in. | 0:29:53 | 0:29:57 | |
And I, for one, well, I'm quite particular about my choice of font. | 0:29:57 | 0:30:01 | |
I am a Calibri man. I love my beloved Calibri. | 0:30:01 | 0:30:05 | |
That is my type. | 0:30:05 | 0:30:07 | |
Not so long ago, we all used to write letters by hand. | 0:30:13 | 0:30:16 | |
Some people's handwriting is like scribbles, | 0:30:16 | 0:30:18 | |
others is as neat as printed text. | 0:30:18 | 0:30:21 | |
Everybody's different and everybody's unique. | 0:30:21 | 0:30:24 | |
But few of us write letters nowadays. | 0:30:24 | 0:30:26 | |
We all text each other or send e-mails. | 0:30:26 | 0:30:28 | |
So, what does our font choice say about us? | 0:30:28 | 0:30:31 | |
Because, basically, | 0:30:31 | 0:30:32 | |
fonts are the computer's version of our handwriting style. | 0:30:32 | 0:30:36 | |
It's all down to taste. | 0:30:38 | 0:30:40 | |
I think Times New Roman is a bit too classic. | 0:30:40 | 0:30:42 | |
Arial is a bit overused. | 0:30:42 | 0:30:44 | |
And Comic Sans polarises opinion. | 0:30:44 | 0:30:46 | |
It looks like it was created by my four-year-old! | 0:30:46 | 0:30:49 | |
But what do the experts think? | 0:30:49 | 0:30:52 | |
Neville Brody is a typographer | 0:30:52 | 0:30:54 | |
and is the brainchild behind several fonts we use on a daily basis. | 0:30:54 | 0:30:59 | |
Your choice of typeface says quite a lot about you. | 0:30:59 | 0:31:02 | |
The way you dress describes your personality, | 0:31:02 | 0:31:05 | |
the fonts you use are the same. | 0:31:05 | 0:31:07 | |
I think most people today, they'll buy a computer | 0:31:07 | 0:31:11 | |
and typefaces are just in there. | 0:31:11 | 0:31:13 | |
No-one ever contributed to them or designed them, | 0:31:13 | 0:31:16 | |
they just came from somewhere out in the universe. | 0:31:16 | 0:31:19 | |
Actually, they came on a spaceship called Microsoft. | 0:31:19 | 0:31:23 | |
Most people will use Times, or Arial. | 0:31:23 | 0:31:27 | |
You wouldn't go out every day wearing exactly the same uniform | 0:31:28 | 0:31:32 | |
that some big corporation had told you to wear, | 0:31:32 | 0:31:36 | |
you'd go out and choose something different from your wardrobe. | 0:31:36 | 0:31:39 | |
But in typography, we don't tend to think like that. | 0:31:39 | 0:31:43 | |
This is a fraction of the amount of typefaces for your computer | 0:31:43 | 0:31:49 | |
that you can get hold of. | 0:31:49 | 0:31:51 | |
It's extraordinary and growing exponentially every year, | 0:31:51 | 0:31:55 | |
and it's almost a bit like the record industry in a way. | 0:31:55 | 0:31:58 | |
You know, each week, you might have another hit single. | 0:31:58 | 0:32:01 | |
Just look around us - | 0:32:06 | 0:32:07 | |
we don't notice how many fonts we are subjected to every day. | 0:32:07 | 0:32:11 | |
But imagine if those fonts were suddenly altered. | 0:32:11 | 0:32:15 | |
We'd notice that something wasn't right. | 0:32:15 | 0:32:18 | |
Hang on, what's different about the telephone box? | 0:32:18 | 0:32:21 | |
But fancy font work is nothing new. | 0:32:24 | 0:32:27 | |
Oxford University Press is the largest university press in the world | 0:32:27 | 0:32:31 | |
and it printed its first book way back in 1478. | 0:32:31 | 0:32:35 | |
Martin Moore is the archivist here and a self-confessed font fan. | 0:32:37 | 0:32:42 | |
Type design goes back to the Roman or Greek models. | 0:32:42 | 0:32:45 | |
Early printers would look at inscriptions | 0:32:45 | 0:32:48 | |
on Greek monuments or buildings. | 0:32:48 | 0:32:50 | |
They'd take that as being the classical idea of beauty | 0:32:50 | 0:32:53 | |
and they'd try to reproduce those proportions in their own letters. | 0:32:53 | 0:32:56 | |
Who has the editorial decision | 0:32:56 | 0:32:58 | |
to choose what font is used for what text? | 0:32:58 | 0:33:01 | |
I mean, giving an example, | 0:33:01 | 0:33:02 | |
the Bible wouldn't be printed and published in Comic Sans. | 0:33:02 | 0:33:06 | |
I mean, that's just ridiculous. But who actually has that say? | 0:33:06 | 0:33:09 | |
Usually, it's an editorial decision | 0:33:09 | 0:33:11 | |
in somewhere like Oxford University Press. | 0:33:11 | 0:33:14 | |
But as you look through printing history, | 0:33:14 | 0:33:16 | |
you'll find that the printers themselves decided on this | 0:33:16 | 0:33:19 | |
and, in some cases, you'll see that | 0:33:19 | 0:33:21 | |
they would do really elaborate pieces of printing | 0:33:21 | 0:33:23 | |
to show off what they were capable of | 0:33:23 | 0:33:25 | |
or to show customers what they were capable of. | 0:33:25 | 0:33:27 | |
Especially some of the very early illuminated manuscripts. | 0:33:27 | 0:33:30 | |
-I mean, the printing there is just superb. -Absolutely. | 0:33:30 | 0:33:33 | |
And as we can see from this copy of Clarendon's | 0:33:33 | 0:33:35 | |
History Of The English Civil War, | 0:33:35 | 0:33:37 | |
which Oxford printed at the beginning of the 18th century, | 0:33:37 | 0:33:40 | |
here you have a title page | 0:33:40 | 0:33:42 | |
which is a great stew of different typefaces and designs. | 0:33:42 | 0:33:46 | |
It's really designed, in those days' terms, to catch the eye, | 0:33:46 | 0:33:49 | |
to draw people to Oxford to get their work printed from us. | 0:33:49 | 0:33:53 | |
Type was very elaborate, it was very floral, | 0:33:53 | 0:33:56 | |
it was very full of bling, in fact. | 0:33:56 | 0:33:59 | |
So, being creative with your font choice is not a new idea. | 0:34:02 | 0:34:06 | |
But constructing a font was laborious. | 0:34:06 | 0:34:09 | |
Everything was done by hand. | 0:34:09 | 0:34:10 | |
The design was carved out of steel, | 0:34:14 | 0:34:16 | |
then punched into softer copper to create a mould | 0:34:16 | 0:34:21 | |
tiny letter by tiny letter. | 0:34:21 | 0:34:24 | |
These moulds were often filled individually with liquid metal. | 0:34:24 | 0:34:28 | |
It often took weeks to create an elaborate font. | 0:34:28 | 0:34:32 | |
It's a very, very skilled business. It's almost a dead trade today. | 0:34:34 | 0:34:38 | |
There are very few people in the world who can still do this. | 0:34:38 | 0:34:41 | |
But something happened in the 1860s | 0:34:47 | 0:34:49 | |
which would drastically limit our font choice. | 0:34:49 | 0:34:52 | |
MUSIC: "The Typewriter" by Leroy Anderson | 0:34:52 | 0:34:56 | |
The typewriter arrived. | 0:34:56 | 0:34:59 | |
This invention standardised the look of almost all professional correspondence, | 0:34:59 | 0:35:03 | |
as the typewriter was limited to varieties of one font. | 0:35:03 | 0:35:07 | |
We know it today as Courier. | 0:35:07 | 0:35:09 | |
But of course, its days of dominance were numbered. | 0:35:09 | 0:35:13 | |
-NEWSREEL: -'The new keyboard controls a word processor - | 0:35:16 | 0:35:19 | |
'the microchip controlled office machine of the future. | 0:35:19 | 0:35:22 | |
'That's what the extra keys are for and that's why | 0:35:22 | 0:35:24 | |
'it could have a big future.' | 0:35:24 | 0:35:26 | |
The rise of the computer in the 1970s | 0:35:26 | 0:35:29 | |
and the demise of the typewriter | 0:35:29 | 0:35:31 | |
meant that fonts had to look good on screen as well as in print. | 0:35:31 | 0:35:35 | |
And some have even become default choices. | 0:35:35 | 0:35:38 | |
Nowadays, Verdana is currently the most popular typeface on the internet. | 0:35:38 | 0:35:42 | |
But it's the ubiquity of Comic Sans | 0:35:42 | 0:35:44 | |
which confounds typographers like Neville Brody. | 0:35:44 | 0:35:48 | |
Using Comic Sans to make you look kind of slightly light and jolly | 0:35:48 | 0:35:53 | |
and informal, for me, it's the equivalent of getting | 0:35:53 | 0:35:57 | |
Ronald McDonald to deliver your messages to friends. | 0:35:57 | 0:36:00 | |
It's not serious and is used far too often, but I quite like it for that. | 0:36:00 | 0:36:05 | |
From the comic to the uber cool, | 0:36:08 | 0:36:10 | |
with a myriad of fonts now available to us | 0:36:10 | 0:36:12 | |
it's about choosing the right font for the right context | 0:36:12 | 0:36:16 | |
and being more bold with our choices. | 0:36:16 | 0:36:18 | |
For Neville, there's no end to the fun you can have with fonts. | 0:36:18 | 0:36:22 | |
Here is the number three, but it becomes graphic form again, | 0:36:23 | 0:36:30 | |
and I love the idea that it can become more sculptural, more modern. | 0:36:30 | 0:36:34 | |
This is actually an S. | 0:36:35 | 0:36:37 | |
It's quite experimental. | 0:36:37 | 0:36:39 | |
But the typeface itself is still quite readable. | 0:36:39 | 0:36:43 | |
We took what was a designed for a boxing poster and then redesigned it | 0:36:43 | 0:36:48 | |
to make it look a lot more feminine and poetic and graceful. | 0:36:48 | 0:36:52 | |
So, typefaces can have different kinds of lives now. | 0:36:52 | 0:36:56 | |
I couldn't imagine this being at all possible using metal lettering. | 0:36:56 | 0:36:59 | |
So, how does the outside world look now that I'm more aware of fonts? | 0:37:02 | 0:37:06 | |
Fonts are basically the tone of voice we hear when we read | 0:37:06 | 0:37:10 | |
and, indeed, the Guardian newspaper - look, this one here - | 0:37:10 | 0:37:12 | |
has its own font, Guardian Egyptian, | 0:37:12 | 0:37:14 | |
which brands the newspaper throughout. | 0:37:14 | 0:37:17 | |
And so does the Times. But, what does my favourite font say about me? | 0:37:17 | 0:37:23 | |
Kind of warm and cuddly and slightly classical, | 0:37:23 | 0:37:26 | |
yearning for some great old days, in a way. | 0:37:26 | 0:37:31 | |
Warm and cuddly? Thanks a lot! Time for a new font? | 0:37:31 | 0:37:35 | |
Welcome back to our valuation day venue, the Oxford Union. | 0:37:41 | 0:37:44 | |
There's still a great buzz in the room | 0:37:44 | 0:37:46 | |
and plenty more antiques to find to take off to auction. | 0:37:46 | 0:37:49 | |
But we start outside, | 0:37:49 | 0:37:50 | |
where Will is perusing some prints by a very famous artist. | 0:37:50 | 0:37:55 | |
I couldn't find a table in there big enough to house your folio. | 0:37:55 | 0:37:58 | |
Tell me, where's this come from? | 0:37:58 | 0:38:00 | |
It was just a purchase at a local antiques fair about five years ago | 0:38:00 | 0:38:04 | |
-over in Woodstock. -OK. -A bit of an impulse buy. | 0:38:04 | 0:38:07 | |
You're a keen antique buyer, are you? | 0:38:07 | 0:38:08 | |
I pick up the odd bit here and there. | 0:38:08 | 0:38:10 | |
-Pictures aren't normally my thing, but... -You mentioned pictures, | 0:38:10 | 0:38:13 | |
because that's exactly what we've got, isn't it? Let's have a look. | 0:38:13 | 0:38:16 | |
First of all, I notice here, R Wimbush Esq. | 0:38:16 | 0:38:19 | |
That, to me, makes me think, this is going to be something quite special, | 0:38:19 | 0:38:23 | |
surely, being a personalised folio. | 0:38:23 | 0:38:25 | |
Indeed, "12 stipple engravings of Hogarth." | 0:38:25 | 0:38:29 | |
The Rake's Progress and The Election. | 0:38:29 | 0:38:31 | |
And here, look, is the original receipt. 1947, £126. | 0:38:31 | 0:38:36 | |
That seems to me like a lot of money in those days. | 0:38:36 | 0:38:38 | |
The Rake's Progress is obviously | 0:38:38 | 0:38:40 | |
the one that everyone's going to have heard of, by Hogarth. | 0:38:40 | 0:38:43 | |
It's Tom Rakewell | 0:38:43 | 0:38:45 | |
and it's basically a report on his life of vice and self-destruction | 0:38:45 | 0:38:50 | |
after inheriting a fortune from his father. | 0:38:50 | 0:38:53 | |
Let's just open up. | 0:38:53 | 0:38:54 | |
We've got here, at the top, actually, this is the first one. | 0:38:54 | 0:38:57 | |
This is when he's inheriting his fortune. | 0:38:57 | 0:38:59 | |
You can see here, his miserly father has died. | 0:38:59 | 0:39:03 | |
He's getting measured up for a new suit. | 0:39:03 | 0:39:05 | |
You've got the lawyer at the back and, interestingly, | 0:39:05 | 0:39:07 | |
he's got his finger in the gold coins - he's pinching a few coins. | 0:39:07 | 0:39:11 | |
He's already being taken advantage of here. | 0:39:11 | 0:39:13 | |
And this figure here, actually, she's Sarah Young. | 0:39:13 | 0:39:15 | |
She's actually quite an important figure in the whole series. | 0:39:15 | 0:39:18 | |
She sort of devoted herself to Tom. | 0:39:18 | 0:39:21 | |
He's trying to pay her off now that he's found his new wealth. | 0:39:21 | 0:39:24 | |
He wants to go and play the field, as it were. | 0:39:24 | 0:39:26 | |
She's holding the ring that he promised her | 0:39:26 | 0:39:29 | |
and, later on in the story, she keeps popping up | 0:39:29 | 0:39:32 | |
and she's still in love with him, but he's rejecting her. | 0:39:32 | 0:39:35 | |
You know, it's a sad side of a sad story - someone's demise. | 0:39:35 | 0:39:39 | |
So, that's the first in the series. | 0:39:39 | 0:39:41 | |
I thought it would be quite interesting to then make | 0:39:41 | 0:39:43 | |
a leap to the last in the series, and this one's entitled "Bedlam." | 0:39:43 | 0:39:49 | |
And there he is, completely mad, having lost all his money, | 0:39:49 | 0:39:53 | |
all his friends and his marbles, as such. | 0:39:53 | 0:39:56 | |
You can see various figures here and, of course, | 0:39:56 | 0:39:58 | |
Bedlam being open to the public, | 0:39:58 | 0:40:00 | |
these are two fashionable ladies who have come. | 0:40:00 | 0:40:03 | |
And there's Sarah Young, again, who's come to visit him when he's mad. | 0:40:03 | 0:40:07 | |
And it's a sad story, but it really caught the attention at the time. | 0:40:07 | 0:40:10 | |
You know, Hogarth, | 0:40:10 | 0:40:11 | |
these are obviously from original paintings by Hogarth. | 0:40:11 | 0:40:14 | |
They hang in the Soane's Museum. | 0:40:14 | 0:40:17 | |
But Hogarth was a commercial minded man, | 0:40:17 | 0:40:19 | |
so people would come to his studio, see the original paintings | 0:40:19 | 0:40:22 | |
and he'd say, "Would you like to order a series of prints?" | 0:40:22 | 0:40:24 | |
And he produced some original prints himself. | 0:40:24 | 0:40:27 | |
These aren't by him, | 0:40:27 | 0:40:28 | |
these are by Jackson Stodart "from the original painting by Hogarth." | 0:40:28 | 0:40:32 | |
It's also got The Election, which is another series of four, I think. | 0:40:32 | 0:40:35 | |
And London, The Museum Galleries - | 0:40:35 | 0:40:37 | |
they're the people who have published these, produced these. | 0:40:37 | 0:40:40 | |
Super quality. I mean, you know, the cost to produce these is quite high. | 0:40:40 | 0:40:46 | |
So, good quality items, hence why they're in this personalised folio. | 0:40:46 | 0:40:50 | |
You say you bought them at an antiques fair, | 0:40:50 | 0:40:52 | |
-what sort of money did you have to pay for them? -It was about £50. | 0:40:52 | 0:40:55 | |
OK, so not bad, really, when you break it down, | 0:40:55 | 0:40:57 | |
and certainly considering what they cost originally. | 0:40:57 | 0:41:00 | |
But the way we furnish our homes nowadays, | 0:41:00 | 0:41:03 | |
-they're not hugely fashionable, I'm afraid. -No, I agree. | 0:41:03 | 0:41:06 | |
Different if you're talking about period 18th-century ones. | 0:41:06 | 0:41:09 | |
You say you paid £50 for it. | 0:41:09 | 0:41:10 | |
I'm going to try and get away with getting your money back. | 0:41:10 | 0:41:13 | |
-How do you feel about that? -OK, I am happy with that. -Yeah, you happy? | 0:41:13 | 0:41:16 | |
-Let's put 'em in at say £50-100... -OK. -..and we'll reserve them at £50. | 0:41:16 | 0:41:20 | |
-Yeah? -Sounds great. -Yeah. | 0:41:20 | 0:41:21 | |
And they might even make a little bit more. | 0:41:21 | 0:41:23 | |
-You never can tell. -Lovely. | 0:41:23 | 0:41:25 | |
From the "Bedlam" of Hogarth | 0:41:25 | 0:41:27 | |
to the well-oiled machine that is our "Flog It!" team, | 0:41:27 | 0:41:30 | |
we're back inside the debating hall with Christina, | 0:41:30 | 0:41:33 | |
who's on familiar territory with our next item. | 0:41:33 | 0:41:36 | |
Pauline, my golden girl, | 0:41:37 | 0:41:39 | |
you've brought me some beautiful jewellery in today. | 0:41:39 | 0:41:41 | |
Tell me a little bit about it. Where has it come from? | 0:41:41 | 0:41:43 | |
-Well, it belonged to my grandmother. -Right. | 0:41:43 | 0:41:46 | |
Obviously came down from my grandmother to my mum | 0:41:46 | 0:41:48 | |
and my mum gave it to me some time ago. | 0:41:48 | 0:41:52 | |
And it's probably sat for the last 20 or 30 years in the cupboard. | 0:41:52 | 0:41:55 | |
Oh, no! Oh, what a shame. | 0:41:55 | 0:41:57 | |
I don't really wear yellow gold so... | 0:41:57 | 0:41:59 | |
-So you wear white gold or silver? -Yes. -So it's just not really... | 0:41:59 | 0:42:02 | |
-It's not something that I would wear, really. -Right. | 0:42:02 | 0:42:06 | |
Well, it's a 15 carat yellow gold chain, | 0:42:06 | 0:42:09 | |
what we call a curb link chain. | 0:42:09 | 0:42:11 | |
And it's stamped 15 carat just on here | 0:42:11 | 0:42:14 | |
with a nine carat gold clasp. | 0:42:14 | 0:42:16 | |
A very traditional padlock, heart-shaped padlock, clasp, | 0:42:16 | 0:42:19 | |
-which is stamped nine carat on the back. -Mm-hm. | 0:42:19 | 0:42:22 | |
It's really very lovely and quite easy to wear | 0:42:22 | 0:42:24 | |
cos the curb links do roll around on your wrist. | 0:42:24 | 0:42:27 | |
But why don't you wear it? Cos you... | 0:42:27 | 0:42:30 | |
It's not something that I like particularly. | 0:42:30 | 0:42:32 | |
-Did your grandmother wear it? -I believe my grandmother wore it. | 0:42:32 | 0:42:36 | |
My grandmother died when I was fairly young | 0:42:36 | 0:42:38 | |
so I don't ever remember seeing her wearing it. | 0:42:38 | 0:42:40 | |
Certainly don't ever remember seeing my mum wear it. | 0:42:40 | 0:42:43 | |
-So it's a shame. -Well, that would explain | 0:42:43 | 0:42:45 | |
why there's so little wear on it, cos, for 15 carat, | 0:42:45 | 0:42:47 | |
really, you would expect to see a few more scratches, | 0:42:47 | 0:42:50 | |
especially with a hollow link chain. | 0:42:50 | 0:42:52 | |
-Not being solid, obviously, it would get quite a few dents. -Yeah. | 0:42:52 | 0:42:55 | |
And it just is in brilliant condition, which is fantastic. | 0:42:55 | 0:42:59 | |
But also quite sad, because you would hope that | 0:42:59 | 0:43:01 | |
-we would be able to find somebody that will wear it. -Yeah, | 0:43:01 | 0:43:03 | |
well, that's what I was hoping. | 0:43:03 | 0:43:04 | |
-You know, someone would wear it and enjoy it and... -Absolutely. | 0:43:04 | 0:43:07 | |
Well, let's see if we can find her. | 0:43:07 | 0:43:09 | |
But we need to agree on an auction estimate. | 0:43:09 | 0:43:11 | |
-OK. -I think at auction... They're not rare. | 0:43:11 | 0:43:13 | |
They were fairly standard pieces of jewellery | 0:43:13 | 0:43:16 | |
in the late 19th, early 20th century. | 0:43:16 | 0:43:18 | |
-But it has got quite a lot of gold content to it. -Yes. | 0:43:18 | 0:43:21 | |
Do you have any sort of value expectations for it? | 0:43:21 | 0:43:24 | |
Obviously as much as it could go for, really! | 0:43:24 | 0:43:26 | |
-Well, we'll keep our fingers crossed. -OK. | 0:43:26 | 0:43:28 | |
But at auction, I think we're probably looking for | 0:43:28 | 0:43:31 | |
something in the region of £150-200. How would you feel about that? | 0:43:31 | 0:43:34 | |
-I would then like to put some kind of a reserve on it. -Yes, of course. | 0:43:34 | 0:43:38 | |
-We wouldn't want it to go underneath £150, really. -No. | 0:43:38 | 0:43:41 | |
No, I think that would be OK. | 0:43:41 | 0:43:43 | |
So if we put an auction estimate of 150-200... | 0:43:43 | 0:43:46 | |
-Yeah. -..with a reserve of 150 firm. | 0:43:46 | 0:43:49 | |
-Yes. -And let's just hope the gold price doubles...trebles | 0:43:49 | 0:43:52 | |
-between now and the auction! -That would be very nice, yeah! | 0:43:52 | 0:43:56 | |
-It would, wouldn't it?! -OK! | 0:43:56 | 0:43:58 | |
And later on, we'll find out from our auctioneer, Thomas Plant, | 0:43:58 | 0:44:02 | |
just how strong the gold market is. | 0:44:02 | 0:44:04 | |
Now, we all know the Oxford Union has gained a worldwide reputation | 0:44:06 | 0:44:09 | |
for the cut and thrust of its debate. | 0:44:09 | 0:44:11 | |
But it's also proved a valuable training ground | 0:44:11 | 0:44:14 | |
for future British Prime Ministers. | 0:44:14 | 0:44:16 | |
Harold Macmillan. | 0:44:16 | 0:44:17 | |
Ted Heath is here, as well. | 0:44:17 | 0:44:18 | |
But it's not just Prime Ministers. | 0:44:18 | 0:44:20 | |
The union also boasts some eminent members. | 0:44:20 | 0:44:23 | |
And up there, just there, that's Albert Einstein, | 0:44:23 | 0:44:26 | |
famous for his theory of relativity. | 0:44:26 | 0:44:28 | |
And he's instantly recognisable because of his mop of mad hair. | 0:44:28 | 0:44:32 | |
And this photograph was taken in 1933 | 0:44:32 | 0:44:34 | |
and the rest of his year | 0:44:34 | 0:44:36 | |
have the most beautiful, slick, tidy haircuts | 0:44:36 | 0:44:40 | |
and there's Albert Einstein, looking as mad as ever. | 0:44:40 | 0:44:44 | |
I love that photograph. What a character! | 0:44:44 | 0:44:47 | |
This place has seen its fair share of famous faces | 0:44:56 | 0:44:58 | |
-and you've brought another one along today. -Certainly. | 0:44:58 | 0:45:01 | |
Tell me, where has this come from? | 0:45:01 | 0:45:02 | |
Well, I work for a local charity. | 0:45:02 | 0:45:04 | |
-People come along and donate goods to us. -Yes? | 0:45:04 | 0:45:07 | |
-I happened to notice the mask, loved the face... -Yeah. | 0:45:07 | 0:45:09 | |
-And I thought, "That's worth going on Flog It!" -Ah, good idea. | 0:45:09 | 0:45:12 | |
That's what we're here for. | 0:45:12 | 0:45:14 | |
Well, she's certainly beautiful, isn't she? Stunning. | 0:45:14 | 0:45:16 | |
I mean, really catches the eye. | 0:45:16 | 0:45:18 | |
-It's lovely. -Yeah. -Yeah, I'd love it myself | 0:45:18 | 0:45:20 | |
but it wasn't donated to me! | 0:45:20 | 0:45:22 | |
Well, as with all pottery and porcelain, | 0:45:22 | 0:45:24 | |
-let's have a look at the back, cos that'll give us some clues. -OK. | 0:45:24 | 0:45:27 | |
And sure enough, there we are, | 0:45:27 | 0:45:28 | |
we've got a nice, clear mark there, haven't we? | 0:45:28 | 0:45:30 | |
Now, when you think of Austrian Art Deco, | 0:45:33 | 0:45:35 | |
cos that's what she is, Art Deco pottery, | 0:45:35 | 0:45:37 | |
you almost immediately think of Goldscheider. | 0:45:37 | 0:45:40 | |
That's the first name that really jumps into your mind. | 0:45:40 | 0:45:43 | |
Keramos, I think, | 0:45:43 | 0:45:45 | |
were a factory that were producing wares alongside Goldscheider | 0:45:45 | 0:45:49 | |
and I do believe, actually, | 0:45:49 | 0:45:50 | |
that some of the painters and modellers worked for both. | 0:45:50 | 0:45:54 | |
Keramos as well, I think, is the Greek... | 0:45:54 | 0:45:56 | |
My Greek's not what it used to be. | 0:45:56 | 0:45:58 | |
Maybe here at the Oxford Union, | 0:45:58 | 0:45:59 | |
I'm sure they debate in Greek here, or something! | 0:45:59 | 0:46:01 | |
-Well, it's all Greek to me, but carry on! -But I think | 0:46:01 | 0:46:04 | |
-Keramos means pottery... -Oh, right. -..or clay. | 0:46:04 | 0:46:06 | |
So that might be where the name's come from. | 0:46:06 | 0:46:09 | |
But you know, you can look at the back there | 0:46:09 | 0:46:11 | |
and you can tell, almost, that it's nice quality | 0:46:11 | 0:46:13 | |
just from the back, can't you? | 0:46:13 | 0:46:15 | |
Let's turn her back over cos that's her best side, shall we say?! | 0:46:15 | 0:46:18 | |
We've got this all over crackled glaze on her face. | 0:46:18 | 0:46:21 | |
I think that's deliberate. I think they've gone for that look. | 0:46:21 | 0:46:25 | |
On some pieces, you get it with age and so on. | 0:46:25 | 0:46:29 | |
But also, with a certain glaze that you use | 0:46:29 | 0:46:31 | |
or a certain finish or the firing, | 0:46:31 | 0:46:33 | |
you can actually create that. | 0:46:33 | 0:46:35 | |
If you look at ancient Chinese ceramics, | 0:46:35 | 0:46:38 | |
they often have that crackled finish. | 0:46:38 | 0:46:40 | |
Yeah. | 0:46:40 | 0:46:41 | |
So it's come into the shop, caught your eye. | 0:46:41 | 0:46:44 | |
Have you got any sort of idea what you think it might be worth? | 0:46:44 | 0:46:48 | |
-I would like it to achieve around about £50, £60. -OK. | 0:46:48 | 0:46:53 | |
Well, I think you're in the right sort of ballpark figure. | 0:46:53 | 0:46:56 | |
It's not going to make the same sort of money | 0:46:56 | 0:46:58 | |
that a Goldscheider one would, | 0:46:58 | 0:47:00 | |
or, say, a Clarice Cliff wall mask, you know. | 0:47:00 | 0:47:02 | |
-I understand that, yes. -That's the Premier League. | 0:47:02 | 0:47:04 | |
This, because the whole Deco movement was so popular, | 0:47:04 | 0:47:07 | |
let's put it in with an estimate of 50-80. | 0:47:07 | 0:47:10 | |
-Wonderful. -And where should we reserve it? | 0:47:10 | 0:47:12 | |
Shall we just tuck it in under that £50 mark? | 0:47:12 | 0:47:15 | |
-I think 30. -Ooh! -Anything, you know, we'd be grateful for anything. -Anything helps. | 0:47:15 | 0:47:19 | |
It's great work that you're doing. | 0:47:19 | 0:47:21 | |
-I'm just glad that we can help you. -Fabulous, thank you. Thank you. | 0:47:21 | 0:47:24 | |
Elizabeth and Neville, I love this. | 0:47:28 | 0:47:30 | |
Thank you so much for bringing it in today, it's absolutely beautiful. | 0:47:30 | 0:47:34 | |
Tell me a little bit about it. | 0:47:34 | 0:47:35 | |
Well, it came down through the family - well, from my aunt, actually... | 0:47:35 | 0:47:39 | |
-Mm-hm? -..um, who was married to an American service guy. -Right. | 0:47:39 | 0:47:43 | |
-And, um, so I've no idea where they bought it. -OK. | 0:47:43 | 0:47:47 | |
-But I've had it for about 15 years. -And do you use it as a doorstop? | 0:47:47 | 0:47:51 | |
-Because it's incredibly heavy! -It'd make a good doorstop, wouldn't it? | 0:47:51 | 0:47:54 | |
-Yeah, did you carry it in with you today? -Yes. -My goodness! | 0:47:54 | 0:47:57 | |
Well, it's a Japanese bronze, dating from about 1920, | 0:47:57 | 0:48:02 | |
and it's actually a copy, after the original, which is | 0:48:02 | 0:48:05 | |
in the Metropolitan Museum in New York. | 0:48:05 | 0:48:08 | |
It's got that wonderful sort of movement and fluidity about it, | 0:48:08 | 0:48:11 | |
-hasn't it? -Mm-hm. -It's just stunning. -Yes, I love the pose. | 0:48:11 | 0:48:14 | |
With this wonderful sort of front leg raised, it's beautiful. | 0:48:14 | 0:48:17 | |
And if we turn over, we've got this foundry mark on the bottom here, | 0:48:17 | 0:48:21 | |
so we can see... Unfortunately, we can't track down who that was by, | 0:48:21 | 0:48:25 | |
um, but it is certainly a very, very good copy. | 0:48:25 | 0:48:28 | |
Why are you selling it if you like it? | 0:48:28 | 0:48:30 | |
Well, we've got so many pieces, really. | 0:48:30 | 0:48:33 | |
-It's finding a home for everything. -Japanese metalworkers were | 0:48:33 | 0:48:36 | |
some of the finest in the world, especially during the 19th century. | 0:48:36 | 0:48:40 | |
This is slightly later than that, but I still think | 0:48:40 | 0:48:42 | |
it will find a market at auction, as a decorative bronze. | 0:48:42 | 0:48:45 | |
I think we're probably looking somewhere in the region, | 0:48:45 | 0:48:48 | |
maybe of £80-120, as a decorative item. | 0:48:48 | 0:48:51 | |
Not a doorstop. I hope people won't use it | 0:48:51 | 0:48:53 | |
-as a doorstop. -So do I. LAUGHTER | 0:48:53 | 0:48:56 | |
But I still think it's rather lovely, um... | 0:48:56 | 0:48:58 | |
The Chinese oriental market really has been incredibly buoyant | 0:48:58 | 0:49:02 | |
-for early wares over the last few years. -Mm-hm. | 0:49:02 | 0:49:05 | |
Um, but Japanese, not so much, which is why my estimate's quite cautious. | 0:49:05 | 0:49:09 | |
-Mm-hm. -So I think, if we set an estimate at £80-120, | 0:49:09 | 0:49:13 | |
with a reserve of 80, how would you feel about that? | 0:49:13 | 0:49:17 | |
-Yeah, that'd be fine. -Yeah. -Yeah? | 0:49:17 | 0:49:18 | |
And would you like to do a discretionary reserve or firm at 80? | 0:49:18 | 0:49:22 | |
-I think I'd like a firm reserve, really. -Firm reserve. | 0:49:22 | 0:49:24 | |
So, if it doesn't sell, you're happy to have it back? | 0:49:24 | 0:49:26 | |
-Yeah. -Yeah, and we'll hope that | 0:49:26 | 0:49:28 | |
he'll TROT his way out of the auction house. | 0:49:28 | 0:49:30 | |
LAUGHTER Good. | 0:49:30 | 0:49:33 | |
What a sculptural piece. I'm sure there'll be a market | 0:49:33 | 0:49:36 | |
for a Japanese bronze like that at auction. | 0:49:36 | 0:49:38 | |
I've been told the people of Oxford love a good debate | 0:49:42 | 0:49:44 | |
and are not afraid to speak their mind. | 0:49:44 | 0:49:46 | |
And that certainly seems true of some of the people | 0:49:46 | 0:49:49 | |
who've been given valuations by Christina and Will. | 0:49:49 | 0:49:53 | |
Let's just hope, when we get to the auction room, | 0:49:53 | 0:49:55 | |
there's more ayes than noes. | 0:49:55 | 0:49:56 | |
And that's exactly where we're going right now. | 0:49:56 | 0:49:59 | |
And here's a quick recap. | 0:49:59 | 0:50:01 | |
Depending on the gold price, Pauline's bracelet could sparkle. | 0:50:01 | 0:50:04 | |
So I'll be asking Thomas | 0:50:04 | 0:50:05 | |
if Christina's valuation may need an alteration. | 0:50:05 | 0:50:08 | |
Or maybe the bidders will be captivated | 0:50:11 | 0:50:13 | |
by Jade's Art Deco face mask, which dates back to the 1920s. | 0:50:13 | 0:50:20 | |
Will it be the Japanese bronze horse that | 0:50:20 | 0:50:22 | |
sets the pace in the auction room? | 0:50:22 | 0:50:25 | |
But first up, will the Hogarth prints make progress | 0:50:28 | 0:50:31 | |
or will they fall from grace? | 0:50:31 | 0:50:33 | |
It's time to find out as the bedlam of the auction gets underway. | 0:50:36 | 0:50:39 | |
When you talk about prints or etchings, | 0:50:41 | 0:50:43 | |
you cannot help but mention Hogarth. | 0:50:43 | 0:50:44 | |
We've got a set going under the hammer right now, in folio, | 0:50:44 | 0:50:47 | |
belonging to Rachel. I do like these. | 0:50:47 | 0:50:49 | |
These should be on the wall. Why aren't they on your wall? | 0:50:49 | 0:50:52 | |
Well, my house isn't big enough and I don't actually like them... | 0:50:52 | 0:50:55 | |
-You don't like them?! -No. -The Rake's Progress! | 0:50:55 | 0:50:57 | |
-I think these are wonderful. -Aren't they? | 0:50:57 | 0:50:59 | |
-I mean, they are a great observation on social behaviour. -Yeah. | 0:50:59 | 0:51:03 | |
That's what it was all about. | 0:51:03 | 0:51:04 | |
And it makes me laugh when I look at them. | 0:51:04 | 0:51:06 | |
There's always something to notice. | 0:51:06 | 0:51:08 | |
-I mean, he was a fascinating character. -Incredible. -Yeah. | 0:51:08 | 0:51:10 | |
-Incredible. -Good advice. -He brought art to the masses. | 0:51:10 | 0:51:13 | |
People that could not afford oil paintings, this was the market. | 0:51:13 | 0:51:16 | |
-Yeah. -He was the first person on the planet | 0:51:16 | 0:51:19 | |
to produce this kind of work. | 0:51:19 | 0:51:20 | |
Well, let's see who wants The Rake's Progress, shall we? | 0:51:20 | 0:51:23 | |
It's going under the hammer now. | 0:51:23 | 0:51:24 | |
Next lot is 270, | 0:51:25 | 0:51:27 | |
a set of 12 Hogarth stipple engravings | 0:51:27 | 0:51:29 | |
from The Rake's Progress. | 0:51:29 | 0:51:31 | |
These are in marvellous condition. | 0:51:31 | 0:51:32 | |
Well, I can start the bidding with me, here, | 0:51:32 | 0:51:35 | |
straight in at £35 with me. | 0:51:35 | 0:51:36 | |
-It's nothing. -We need a bit of action. | 0:51:36 | 0:51:39 | |
Any advance of 35? At £35. | 0:51:39 | 0:51:42 | |
-If I was allowed to put my hand up, I would! -Aw-w! | 0:51:42 | 0:51:44 | |
At 45 against you all. | 0:51:45 | 0:51:47 | |
At 45, looking for 50 to sell it. | 0:51:47 | 0:51:50 | |
At £45 against you all. | 0:51:50 | 0:51:52 | |
A good lot, these ones. | 0:51:52 | 0:51:55 | |
-He's trying, isn't he? -Mm. | 0:51:55 | 0:51:57 | |
At 45. If you are interested, see us afterwards. | 0:51:57 | 0:52:01 | |
-Not quite enough. -Oh, OK. That's... | 0:52:01 | 0:52:04 | |
I mean, it's a real shame cos they're super quality. | 0:52:04 | 0:52:06 | |
-But a sign of the times. -You're stuck with them at the moment! | 0:52:06 | 0:52:10 | |
Maybe I'll have another look at them, | 0:52:10 | 0:52:12 | |
based on what you've told me today, actually. | 0:52:12 | 0:52:14 | |
-Maybe I didn't love them enough! -Go and have another look. | 0:52:14 | 0:52:16 | |
-I mean, he was a canny businessman as well. -He was. | 0:52:16 | 0:52:19 | |
He would display his prints and you'd pay £1 to go and see them. | 0:52:19 | 0:52:21 | |
Maybe that's what you should do at home. £1 a view! | 0:52:21 | 0:52:24 | |
-£1 a visit! -I'll open the front door! -Yeah. | 0:52:24 | 0:52:27 | |
-Knock-knock-knock. -Open studio, all round Rachel's. | 0:52:27 | 0:52:30 | |
-Discount for you two, OK?! -Oh, we're in! -Special entry. | 0:52:30 | 0:52:33 | |
Well, you don't get an offer like that every day. | 0:52:33 | 0:52:36 | |
Here's hoping Rachel does learn to love them. | 0:52:36 | 0:52:38 | |
Now, we're all on tenterhooks | 0:52:38 | 0:52:40 | |
to find out how the gold price is doing. | 0:52:40 | 0:52:42 | |
Pauline's gold bracelet. | 0:52:42 | 0:52:44 | |
Let's talk about the ever-changing values of bullion | 0:52:44 | 0:52:46 | |
because it does fluctuate, this market. | 0:52:46 | 0:52:49 | |
It does and there's many things which make it fluctuate. | 0:52:49 | 0:52:51 | |
-One of those things, strangely, is the stock market. -Sure. | 0:52:51 | 0:52:54 | |
If the stock market's having a really bad day, gold goes up. | 0:52:54 | 0:52:57 | |
-Everyone invests in gold. -Absolutely. | 0:52:57 | 0:52:59 | |
And also the other thing which changes with gold price | 0:52:59 | 0:53:01 | |
is our exchange rate with the dollar, | 0:53:01 | 0:53:03 | |
-because gold is valued in dollars. -Sure, yeah. | 0:53:03 | 0:53:06 | |
And so, if the pound is strong against the dollar, | 0:53:06 | 0:53:08 | |
the gold price is low, vice versa. | 0:53:08 | 0:53:10 | |
You can see what happens. | 0:53:10 | 0:53:12 | |
Here, this is valued at £20 a gram, | 0:53:12 | 0:53:14 | |
where the little clasp is valued at 12. | 0:53:14 | 0:53:17 | |
So instantly it's worth an awful lot more money. | 0:53:17 | 0:53:19 | |
We've put it in at £300-500, | 0:53:19 | 0:53:21 | |
-with a reserve of 300. -OK. | 0:53:21 | 0:53:23 | |
-But actually, it's a very wearable piece. -That is, isn't it? | 0:53:23 | 0:53:25 | |
And I'm sure that will not go to melt. | 0:53:25 | 0:53:27 | |
-No. -That's a nice thing. | 0:53:27 | 0:53:29 | |
-Fingers crossed we get the top end of the estimate. -I hope so. | 0:53:29 | 0:53:33 | |
Well, that's good news | 0:53:33 | 0:53:34 | |
and Pauline's brought along her daughter Zoe | 0:53:34 | 0:53:37 | |
for moral support. | 0:53:37 | 0:53:38 | |
Here's hoping she gets top dollar for that bracelet. | 0:53:38 | 0:53:42 | |
-I've probably worn it twice... -Is that all? -..which is why it's sat in the cupboard for years and years. | 0:53:42 | 0:53:46 | |
Well now, let me work out who's next in line. | 0:53:46 | 0:53:49 | |
It's you, Zoe. Right? | 0:53:49 | 0:53:50 | |
And this is your inheritance Mum's flogging! | 0:53:50 | 0:53:52 | |
-Yeah. She just... -Do you want it at all? | 0:53:52 | 0:53:55 | |
Not really. I think I'd prefer the money. | 0:53:55 | 0:53:58 | |
You don't like gold, obviously. | 0:53:58 | 0:54:00 | |
-No. -No, we normally wear white gold or silver. | 0:54:00 | 0:54:03 | |
OK. Here we go, let's put it to the test. | 0:54:03 | 0:54:05 | |
It's going under the hammer now. | 0:54:05 | 0:54:07 | |
Lot 45 and this is this gold curb link bracelet. | 0:54:07 | 0:54:09 | |
I can start the bidding with me, here. | 0:54:09 | 0:54:12 | |
Straight in at 240 with me. | 0:54:12 | 0:54:13 | |
240, 240 I have. | 0:54:13 | 0:54:15 | |
At 240, 260, 280 with me. | 0:54:15 | 0:54:18 | |
300 and I'm out. | 0:54:18 | 0:54:19 | |
At 300, I have here. | 0:54:19 | 0:54:21 | |
At 300, it's in the room. Against you all at £300. | 0:54:21 | 0:54:24 | |
Selling then, at £300... | 0:54:24 | 0:54:26 | |
-Yes! -Brilliant. -That's good, isn't it? | 0:54:26 | 0:54:28 | |
-You're happy? -Yeah, it's good news. | 0:54:28 | 0:54:30 | |
-Both of you. -Absolutely, yes. | 0:54:30 | 0:54:32 | |
-Zoe's working it out! -LAUGHTER | 0:54:32 | 0:54:34 | |
-"Will Mum really let me have a share in that?!" -It'll be shared. | 0:54:34 | 0:54:39 | |
Neville, Elizabeth, fingers crossed, OK? | 0:54:48 | 0:54:50 | |
The bronze horse, a touch of the Far East, | 0:54:50 | 0:54:52 | |
-is just about to go under the hammer here in Newbury. -Yeah. | 0:54:52 | 0:54:55 | |
And I think this is the right area to sell this in. | 0:54:55 | 0:54:57 | |
We're right by the racecourse, it's just down the road. | 0:54:57 | 0:54:59 | |
-Lambourn is up the road as well. All the gallops are around here. -Uh-huh. | 0:54:59 | 0:55:03 | |
-It's a bit sporty. -Yeah, let's hope it will generate some interest. | 0:55:03 | 0:55:06 | |
-Yeah, hope so. -Yeah. -Well, let's put this one to the test, shall we? | 0:55:06 | 0:55:09 | |
-The horse is just about to go under the hammer. -OK. | 0:55:09 | 0:55:12 | |
Lot number 385, and this is this modern Chinese | 0:55:12 | 0:55:15 | |
bronze figure of a horse, mark to underside. | 0:55:15 | 0:55:18 | |
Bids here with me and I start this one at £55. | 0:55:18 | 0:55:21 | |
At 55. 60. And five with me. | 0:55:21 | 0:55:24 | |
At 65, against you all at 65. | 0:55:24 | 0:55:26 | |
70...5. 80. 80 we've got in the room. | 0:55:26 | 0:55:29 | |
At £80. Into the room first, then we'll go to the telephones. | 0:55:29 | 0:55:32 | |
-£80. Brilliant. -Yeah. -Any advance at £80, is in the room? | 0:55:32 | 0:55:36 | |
5! 90...5. 100. | 0:55:36 | 0:55:39 | |
110. 120. | 0:55:39 | 0:55:42 | |
130. 140. | 0:55:42 | 0:55:44 | |
-150. -Oh, brilliant. -160. | 0:55:44 | 0:55:46 | |
170. 180. | 0:55:46 | 0:55:49 | |
190. 200. | 0:55:49 | 0:55:52 | |
210. Go on! | 0:55:52 | 0:55:55 | |
No, are you sure? One more? | 0:55:55 | 0:55:57 | |
220? | 0:55:57 | 0:55:58 | |
230. Are you sure? | 0:56:02 | 0:56:04 | |
At £230, make no mistake, on the telephone. | 0:56:04 | 0:56:07 | |
£230, against you all. Selling, then. | 0:56:07 | 0:56:10 | |
230. | 0:56:10 | 0:56:11 | |
-Brilliant! -Well done. -Fantastic, yeah! | 0:56:11 | 0:56:14 | |
Trade was done in Newbury! | 0:56:14 | 0:56:15 | |
-Thank you very much! -You're welcome, that's brilliant! | 0:56:15 | 0:56:18 | |
-They liked it. It was the right market. -That's right. -Yeah! | 0:56:18 | 0:56:20 | |
It shows the influence of telephone bidders on the auction too. | 0:56:20 | 0:56:23 | |
-Of course. -It's the telephone against the room. -That's right. | 0:56:23 | 0:56:26 | |
-It GALLOPED away! -Aw! -LAUGHTER | 0:56:26 | 0:56:29 | |
'It certainly did! First past the post!' | 0:56:29 | 0:56:32 | |
Going under the hammer right now | 0:56:34 | 0:56:36 | |
an Art Deco, Austrian gypsy face mask belonging to Jade. | 0:56:36 | 0:56:39 | |
And all the money is going to charity. | 0:56:39 | 0:56:41 | |
Tell us about it, Jade. | 0:56:41 | 0:56:42 | |
OK, I work for a local charity shop, a cancer shop. | 0:56:42 | 0:56:45 | |
-Luckily you were in town. -Good opportunity. | 0:56:45 | 0:56:47 | |
We brought along and it seems it's a nice item. Let's hope it does well. | 0:56:47 | 0:56:50 | |
-Yeah, let's hope it gets top dollar. -Yeah. | 0:56:50 | 0:56:52 | |
It's an interesting looking, unusual item. | 0:56:52 | 0:56:54 | |
-You're not going to see another one tomorrow. -No, exactly. | 0:56:54 | 0:56:57 | |
I mean, with these sort of face masks... | 0:56:57 | 0:56:59 | |
very sort of Art Deco, that sort of thing. | 0:56:59 | 0:57:01 | |
So, you know, very on trend, hopefully. | 0:57:01 | 0:57:03 | |
So I'm hoping we get some good money for you. | 0:57:03 | 0:57:06 | |
Let's hope Thomas can help us out right now. | 0:57:06 | 0:57:07 | |
Here we go, here we go! | 0:57:07 | 0:57:09 | |
Very Goldscheider, lovely looking thing. | 0:57:09 | 0:57:12 | |
I can start the bidding with me, here, | 0:57:12 | 0:57:14 | |
straight in at £35. 40...5. | 0:57:14 | 0:57:17 | |
50...5. 65. I end up at 65. | 0:57:17 | 0:57:20 | |
-The room comes in, here. -One more, one more! -70...5. | 0:57:20 | 0:57:23 | |
80...5. 90...5. | 0:57:23 | 0:57:26 | |
Look, he's got a bid on the books, a commission bid. | 0:57:26 | 0:57:28 | |
-He keeps working that book. -120, 130. | 0:57:28 | 0:57:31 | |
-Good auctioneering. -Go on! -Come on, tell them it's for charity. | 0:57:31 | 0:57:34 | |
130 against you all. | 0:57:34 | 0:57:36 | |
On the book, here, at 130. At 130. | 0:57:36 | 0:57:39 | |
A good result. £130! | 0:57:39 | 0:57:42 | |
-What a result! -The hammer's gone down | 0:57:42 | 0:57:43 | |
-and that money goes to charity. -Brilliant. -Isn't that good? | 0:57:43 | 0:57:46 | |
Fantastic. And we've got Gift Aid, | 0:57:46 | 0:57:47 | |
-which gives 28% on top. It's fantastic. -Exactly, | 0:57:47 | 0:57:49 | |
so it's really even more than £130. | 0:57:49 | 0:57:51 | |
-Yeah, so...wow. -Brilliant. -150 quid we've got for it. -Aw-w! | 0:57:51 | 0:57:54 | |
-Well, look, keep your eyes peeled, won't you? -I'm all emotional! | 0:57:54 | 0:57:57 | |
It's brilliant! | 0:57:57 | 0:57:58 | |
-Thank you so much. -If you want to have something valued, | 0:57:58 | 0:58:01 | |
bring it along to one of our valuation days. | 0:58:01 | 0:58:03 | |
I'm sure our experts will help you out. | 0:58:03 | 0:58:04 | |
Who knows, you could make a small fortune at auction as well. | 0:58:04 | 0:58:07 | |
We will be coming to a town close to you shortly, | 0:58:07 | 0:58:10 | |
so keep an eye out for us. | 0:58:10 | 0:58:11 |