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Today, Flog It! is in Tyneside,

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an area steeped in shipbuilding heritage.

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The larger-than-life vessels built on this river

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have defined the landscape and left a legacy for generations.

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It's hard to overemphasise the impact the shipbuilding industry

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has had on the people of Tyneside.

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For centuries, the majority of men in this area

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either worked in the district's numerous coalmines

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or in shipbuilding,

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driving forward incredible innovations

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now part of our nautical history.

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This is the first ever steam turbine powered ship.

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Around the time of its launch in 1894,

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it was easily the fastest ship in the world.

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The Turbinia is a wonderful example of the shipping heritage

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that's housed here at Newcastle's Science And Local History Museum.

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And today it's the host venue for our valuations.

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The people of Tyneside are arriving in their droves.

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-Oh, look, a bit of maritime memorabilia. What's this?

-Cunard.

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Oh, look at this!

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We shall be talking about that ship later on in the programme.

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And to carry out today's valuations,

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we have the antique elite reporting for duty.

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Always with a keen eye for detail, Anita Manning.

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Oh, it's great fun, isn't it? Great fun!

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And he might like a joke,

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but Adam Partridge seriously knows his stuff.

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-How much do think it's worth?

-It's going to be priceless!

-LAUGHTER

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They're a lively bunch here today!

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Let's hope today's valuations are as entertaining.

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In today's show, Anita meets her match,

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when a legendary billiards champion challenges her to a game.

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-You can give me a few tips.

-It would be wonderful to get you in action!

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A lot of men have said that!

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-Thanks for coming along.

-LAUGHTER

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And Adam is in heaven when he meets a fellow boxing fan

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with a signed copy of Muhammad Ali's autobiography.

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Let's not forget, this is the century's greatest sportsman,

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some people say.

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The people of Tyneside have turned out in force today

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to get their antiques and collectables valued.

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This wonderful space is just one of the rooms used

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by the Co-operative workers, who were based here

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between 1899 and 1972, when this place

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was used as a distribution headquarters

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for all the shops in the local area.

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So we've got the lights,

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we got the cameras and the people of Tyneside have brought the action.

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The great thing about a Flog It! valuation day is you never know

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what you're going to find.

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Somewhere amongst this massive crowd is a little treasure,

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and hopefully we can make some history of our very own

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right here, right now, on Flog It!

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Let's hand things over to Anita Manning. Could this be the item?

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Now, Alf, I know I have the privilege

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at this moment of being sitting next to a legend.

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Indeed, indeed.

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But I want you to tell me first of all, Alf,

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where you got these napkin rings.

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I was English billiards champion and they asked me to play in

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the world championship. I was booked in at Karachi to play an exhibition.

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I made the highest break that had been made in Karachi - 319.

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-So this was a little gift?

-I wonder what they're worth.

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They've never been touched. I'm not going to put these on my table!

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SHE LAUGHS

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I'm not that - what do they call it? - aristocracy!

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They'd go well on the table at Buckingham Palace

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or the Duke of Northumberland's.

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But not on Alf's table!

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Not on my table! LAUGHTER

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But there are quite a nice present.

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Could you tell me when that match was? When you were in Karachi.

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-Yes, it would be 1964.

-1964. Let's look at it.

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It's a nice little box and I quite like the label, which says

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"Kashmir Silver Works," and it's from Karachi, the main city there.

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And if we take one of them out...

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They are what I would call white metal.

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White metal, is it?

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They could be a low-grade silver.

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Very often in the Indian subcontinent,

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-you had silver which was of a lower grade.

-Yes, yes.

-A lower quality.

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So they can be that.

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And they are quite nice things, and if you had a title,

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there's a little cartouche where you could have put your initials.

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-Yes!

-They could have put "Alf the Champion."

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Yeah!

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Have you retired now, Alf?

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I've retired competitively, but I still go and practise.

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And once I get to a billiard table -

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not many people will think of this - I'm in heaven!

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You can forget about all the other heavens,

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that billiard table is heaven to me.

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And this is you as a...?

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That is me in London in 1955.

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That's the Northumberland and Durham Snooker champion.

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-But I'm mainly a 3-ball...

-You were quite good-looking guy.

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You still are!

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Now, Alf, tell me - why do you want to sell

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these things, if they are part of your career in playing

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-billiards and snooker?

-Well, to me they're inconsequential.

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As soon as I die, they're in the recycling, or wherever.

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-It's of no consequence.

-It's only a...an object.

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Yes. Yes.

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You have your photographs and you have your memories of Karachi.

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So shall we put these into auction?

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-Put them in and see...

-Property of a gentleman.

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-They're not worth a lot of money, Alf.

-No, no.

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But if we put them in, maybe, er...

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£50 to £70, something like that.

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That... That is a...terrific amount of money.

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I started work

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44 hours a week in the rag trade

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-for one pound.

-Oh, right.

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One pound.

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1941.

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We'll put them in...

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We'll maybe put a reserve of, say, 35 on them.

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-I'm sure they will do that.

-Yes.

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But maybe if we do well with these,

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we can have a game of billiards afterwards,

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and you can give me a few tips.

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It'd be wonderful to get you in action.

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A lot of men have said that.

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Thanks for coming along.

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THEY LAUGH

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What a really interesting man!

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You never know what or who is going to turn up on evaluation day.

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Now, over to Adam Partridge.

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-Sally.

-Hello.

-Do take a card.

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Thanks. Any card?

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It was a good way of illustrating what this object is.

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A ivory card case.

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So, where did you get from?

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I don't know. It's always been in... in the family.

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It's just always been there?

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It's not inherited from someone or...

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-I don't which side of the family, but it's a family thing.

-OK.

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And, of course, our first concern with anything ivory -

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is it old enough?

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Instantly, the answer's yes with this.

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The date line is 1947.

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If there's any doubt, it should not be sold.

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But this is late...right at the end of the 19th century.

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-From Canton. Canton in China.

-Right.

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Its name is Canton export ivory,

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because there are a lot of these about.

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And they were made for the Western market, for cards,

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and shipped it to Europe.

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And they are all a similar type of style.

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Heavily carved, intricately carved, on both sides and, erm...

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There's been a resurgence in the Chinese market.

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Most of these are being bought by Chinese people...

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erm...interested in their history and heritage, et cetera.

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So, in the last couple of years I have noticed some pretty

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strong prices for ivory card cases.

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Why are you selling it?

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Well, basic decluttering.

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Got lots of stuff that, yeah, time to go.

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-No sentiment attached.

-No.

-Get it sold.

-Absolutely.

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-Let's get it and flog it!

-Yes.

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Now, there's been a bit of a conflict of opinion

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between me and my off-screen consultant valuers

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who think I am rather too keen on it,

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but my estimate is higher than theirs.

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-Do you have any idea on what it's worth?

-No.

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I am going to suggest 300 to 500.

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-Right.

-Yeah.

-Very good.

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-Which is a pleasant surprise, isn't it?

-It is.

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And I think you should make that.

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The only things that draw me back a little but,

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which was pointed out by one of the other valuers,

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is a little bit of damage.

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-Just a very small bit of a crack on the top there.

-Right.

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I really don't think that matters that much.

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And I think it's a pretty good example.

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Well we'll take it to auction and see what happens.

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I'm really looking forward to it.

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Because my feeling is that it might make a bit more.

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-Thank you very much.

-That's a pleasure. Lovely thing.

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Thank you.

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And from an antique with minute detail,

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to something on a slightly larger scale.

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The museum has a wonderful maritime collection

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and here with me now is curator Ian Whitehead to talk through something

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which looks like it's from the vibrant 1970s -

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something I'm familiar with, these colour schemes!

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Yes. It is very much of that period.

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It is from the 1973 cruise ship Vistafjord.

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-These were the original swatches for this vessel.

-The original swatches.

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The interior designers would have worked from these.

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Chosen colours from the layout,

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-obviously, with the client, said, "Yes, let's go for that."

-Yes.

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And I'm not big on cruise ships,

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but if I had to go on a cruise right now,

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if I could be in some kind of boutique set-up like that

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surrounded by colour like this,

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I'd be a happy bunny.

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Well, the ship is still running as Saga Ruby.

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She's 40 years old.

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Does it have a colour scheme like this?

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Eh, I doubt it, she's been majorly refitted three times.

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1973, last cruise ship built on the Tyne.

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She was a very high-quality ship that came out of the

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Neptune Shipyard of Swan Hunter. Great testament to the work of...

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-Yeah, sure.

-..the workers there.

-This is the golden era, isn't it?

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This is what Great British engineering was all about.

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-Superb lines on a superb vessel.

-Absolutely.

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-Thank you so much for showing me this.

-It's been a pleasure.

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And later on in the programme I'll be visiting the yard

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where the Vistafjord was built

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and finding out more about the last shipbuilders on the Tyne.

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But right now, it's time to join Anita on our

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final valuation before our first visit to the auction house.

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Jenny, welcome to Flog It! It's exciting with all this stuff

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-going on round about, isn't it?

-Wonderful, yes.

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You've brought us a wee couple of scamps along today to look at.

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So tell me a wee bit about them, tell me where you got them.

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Well, in 1947, my husband, he was 16,

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befriended a German prisoner of war.

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In Halifax.

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The camp was fairly open, you know,

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they used to work in the fields, agriculture,

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so they became friends of the family,

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and the family always kept in touch long after the war,

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and long after George - that was his name - went back to Germany.

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Did you ever visit him in Germany?

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Yes, we visited several times, him and his wife Carla.

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One of the times they gave us these two figures, Max and Moritz.

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-Had you admired them?

-No, I'd never heard of them, I'd never seen them.

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-Do you like them?

-Not really. They're not really my thing.

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They're charming.

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They're German characters from a children's book

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and they're very well-known to German children.

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The first book that come out containing these characters,

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by Wilhelm Busch, came out in about 1886,

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-so these little figures are from that time...

-Really?

-..1890 to 1900.

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And they were BELOVED of the German children.

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This wee guy here is bronze.

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He's well cast, he's well modelled and he's sitting on a marble base.

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Now, I have looked quite carefully and cannot see any name,

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cast mark or anything that gives us

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an indication of who did the bronzes.

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But what I can say is that they are of quality,

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and that makes them interesting.

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Price-wise, I would say...

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-..in the region of 150 to 250.

-Really?!

-Yep.

-Gosh!

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-Would you be happy to sell them at that?

-I certainly would.

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Have you been dying to get rid of them for years?

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Well, no, I hadn't even thought about it, but that's very nice.

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What would you do with the money?

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Well, my friend who I've come here with today, Di,

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we go everywhere together looking at car boots and antique fairs,

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so I think we'd have a day out at an antique fair.

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Oh, right, and perhaps buy something that you DO like

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and that you will fall in love with? Maybe a bit of jewellery.

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-That'd be nice.

-Shall we put a reserve on the little figures?

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Yes, if you think...

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We'll put a reserve of maybe just 130, just to protect them.

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I'm sure that they will fly

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and that they will be well-fancied by the buyers at the auction.

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-Good, I look forward to it.

-Thank you very much for bringing them along.

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Thank you.

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Well, our experts have been working hard, we're halfway through

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our day now, which means it's time for our first trip to the saleroom.

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So while we make our way over to the Boldon Auction Galleries,

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here's a quick recap, just to jog your memories,

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of everything that's coming along with us.

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Will Alf's unused silver napkin rings draw in the local nobility?

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Let's hope the bidders don't play things too close to their chests

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when it comes to Sally's ivory card case.

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And loved for years in Germany, will Jenny's playful

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Max and Moritz figures

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appeal to a buyer today?

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For today's auction, we're in East Boldon.

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The famous Jarrow March went through this area in 1936,

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when protestors took a stand against the extreme poverty

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and unemployment suffered in Northeast England

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during the Great Depression.

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Whether it's boom or bust, the auction house seems to

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serve both, and is often a measure of the times.

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Let's see what today serves up.

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Now, look, that chap's here to buy, he's picked up a bidder's paddle.

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In order to buy something, you've got to register your name

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and address and identify yourself.

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You can pick up a bidder's paddle, then you're free to bid.

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Hopefully, he's going to buy some of our lots.

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Now, remember, there is commission to pay,

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and there is a buyer's premium. Here, it's 17.5% plus VAT,

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but it varies from saleroom to saleroom, so check the detail,

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it's all printed in the catalogue,

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and do your sums, because it does add up.

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Right, let's get on with the sale.

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At the helm today is auctioneer Giles Hodges.

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Two...sixty.

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And the next item to go under the hammer is that set of

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silver napkin holders from Pakistan.

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And it's a real honour to be standing next to Alfred,

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who is - who WAS, I should say - English billiards champion.

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-He's got a good tale to tell.

-He's a wonderful storyteller.

-He is.

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-78 years, you've got a lot up there, you know.

-He has got a lot up there.

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Our lot is coming up now.

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I'm bid 40 to start with. 45, 50, five, 60, five,

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70, five, 80...

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With me at £80. Anybody else?

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85, 90, 95?

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Knocks the bid out, at £95, to the room,

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at £95, all done, at £95.

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-Aww.

-That's marvellous.

-That would be a great break in snooker.

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-Marvellous.

-A poor billiards break, but a great snooker break.

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-Do you know where the money's going?

-No.

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Cos I'm going to double that, it's going to go to

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the under-19 boys championship and

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the under-16 boys and girls championship

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of the English Amateur Billiards Association.

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Oh, fantastic. Know what?

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What you're doing is helping to encourage

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the youngsters to come into the sport,

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because without any fresh blood, this sport would not carry on.

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'What a great guy!

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'Still passionate after all these years,

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'and thinking of the players of the future.'

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If we play our cards right we could get

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the top end of Adam's estimate here.

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I love this, absolutely love this Chinese carved ivory...

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-It's a good 'un, isn't it?

-Yeah, exquisite detail.

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-I mean, it's incredible, where'd you start?

-Don't know.

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And you've had this knocking around

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for a little time now, don't know where it came from.

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All my life it's been around, just sort of sitting in a cupboard.

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Well, hopefully we should do the top end.

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And I think, yeah, I'm going to go for top end estimate.

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I'd like to think as well, fingers crossed.

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This is where it gets exciting.

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The Chinese carved ivory calling card case,

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and I'm bid 160 to start me.

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160, 170, 180, 190, 200,

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220, 240, 260...

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-At 260, 280 now...

-Worth a bit more, I think.

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80, anybody else?

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At £260, are we all done and dusted?

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At 260.

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-He's sold, he's sold.

-Reserve was 250.

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Well, it's gone, and we're happy.

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Yeah, not sitting in a box any more.

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-It's gone to somebody that'll enjoy it, hopefully.

-Sure, a collector.

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'And it's the specialist collector we need for our next item,

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'or perhaps just someone with a playful nature.'

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Well, our next lot is bound to put a smile on your face.

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Max and Moritz, the German comic figures. Jenny, I love them.

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And you can't help but smile, can you?

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-Well, no.

-And Anita spotted them.

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They were absolutely wonderful, they do bring a smile to your face

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and I can just imagine them, cheery little figures on the mantelpiece.

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Now we're going to put it to the test in the room.

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Let's find out what they think, shall we?

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Fingers crossed there'll be a couple of phone lines on this.

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-Hope so.

-Ready for it?

-Yes.

-This is what you've been waiting for.

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This is what we've all been waiting for.

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Hopefully there'll be a surprise - here we go.

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The small pair of bronze figures, Max and Moritz,

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little turned marble plinths. I'm bid 100 to start them.

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100, 110, 120, 130...

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At 130. 140, 150, 160...

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In the room, the commission's out,

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at 160, it's in the room.

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170, no? At £160, all done?

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160.

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-Sold!

-Yep, yep, they're gone.

-It's gone.

-Fantastic.

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-You're happy, aren't you?

-Yes, absolutely.

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Well, the bidders certainly enjoyed that, and I hope you did too.

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That concludes our first visit to the saleroom today.

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We are coming back here later in the programme.

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Now, wherever we are in the country, we're constantly reminded

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and surrounded by artefacts from the Northeast shipbuilding heritage,

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so while we were here in the area filming, I thought

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I'd check out the last shipbuilders on the Tyne.

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Magnificent cruise ships,

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world famous ocean liners like the Mauretania,

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larger than life supertankers, the Ark Royal,

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and other naval vessels have all been built on this river.

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The Tyne's depth and connection to the North Sea at Tynemouth

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makes it the perfect location for shipbuilding.

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For 600 years, shipbuilding was the lifeblood of this area.

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In fact, the ferry we're on today - the Pride of the Tyne -

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was one of the last to be built, in 1993.

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For centuries, shipbuilding provided an income

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for thousands of families in this area.

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Much of the work was contract work,

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but there was no shortage of it, so it wasn't surprising that

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sons often followed their fathers and grandfathers into the yards.

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We met some of the people whose lives

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revolved around the shipbuilding industry.

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The bit I always loved was the process.

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One day there wasn't a ship there,

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the next day the shipwrights were there, the keel went down,

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the ribs went up, the frames, then the plates went on,

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and at the end of the process was something you could be proud of.

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It's got nothing to do with egotism, but you can look at something,

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and in your small way, there was part of you in that.

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The river was home to over 20 shipyards during the

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19th and 20th centuries, employing thousands of workers.

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There was Readhead's, there was Brigham's,

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there was the Middle Docks,

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there was Smith's Docks on the other side of the river -

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that's where the energy came from.

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The activity of all the shipyards, that was the heart, the soul,

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the life of the river.

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It's impossible to underestimate the impact the shipbuilding industry

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had on the people whose livelihoods depended on the Tyne,

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and even if one of your relatives didn't work in the industry,

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you knew somebody who did.

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I can remember my father, who worked on the river in latter days,

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he had been at sea for most of his life,

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but he worked as a rigger on the river in the 1950s and 1960s,

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and if it was very busy

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and ships had to be docked or undocked or shifted - which is where

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you took a ship out of its tier for another one to move in or

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move out - we might not see him for a couple of days at a time.

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And then he would come home and sleep the clock around.

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And then he would go back and it would start all over again.

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Family life was governed in many ways by tides and ships.

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At Wallsend you had the great big supertankers,

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these huge great supertankers looming over basically a back yard wall.

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And I think people had pride in them.

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They could see where their husband went. The kids could see it.

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"My dad, my dad's working on that."

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Even if you couldn't see the ships, the sounds of them

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being built echoed up and down the river.

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You constantly heard the sound of ships' hooters,

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of shot-blasting, of hammering.

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It went on all day and all night.

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I think the main thing on the river in those days was the buzzer.

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Each yard had its buzzer, the buzzer determined

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when you started and when you finished.

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And I suppose people around that way, they lived their lives to the buzzer.

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But time was running out for the industry towards the end

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of the 20th century, leaving huge holes

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both emotionally and physically.

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Everywhere you look along the river bank here you can see

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signs of a once thriving shipbuilding industry.

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Just here you see this massive concreted area,

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that was once Smith's shipyard.

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I've come to look at the Tyne's last shipbuilding yard, Swan Hunter.

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It was the biggest yard here.

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In total, 1,600 ships were built here between 1864 and 1994,

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when the last workers left the site.

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Now that is what I call a view.

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Just look at that - the Tyne in all its magnificent glory.

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You can imagine the manager standing up here, can't you?

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Sort of saying, "This is our shipbuilding empire."

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Not only could they keep an eye on the workforce,

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but they could join in the celebrations of the launch days.

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They must have been such a wonderful spectacle,

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thousands of people here in the docks and on the quayside.

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The day a ship was launched, it was a special day.

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There seemed to be a buzz went round the yard.

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"There's a ship being launched today.

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"Join us at the launching platform." There was usually a band there,

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all the speeches are made, all the ladies are there

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with their fancy hats on.

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The final chocks are knocked out.

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And sometimes there's a slight pause because the ship hasn't moved,

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and there's a sort of, "Ooh..."

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Then slowly, off she goes.

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And it's graceful.

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Not in any hurry, just making her own slow way down into the river.

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Everybody's hip-hip-hooraying, "Three cheers for the ship",

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and if you're stood in the right place,

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as the ship went off into the drophole,

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to me in my imagination, the ship looks as though it was curtsying.

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And to me, it was magical. The ship looked as though it went...

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And there was a space there for the next one.

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For the past 20 years, there has been no next one.

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The shipyards began to shut due to the lack of industry investment,

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modernisation and competition from abroad.

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Entire communities fought hard for their way of life

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and very existence.

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There was meetings, marches, the unions were involved.

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There'd be a lot of sad, disappointed and I would think angry people.

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They've been building ships on the river here for hundreds of years,

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and then for a whole industry to disappear...

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The generation that lost its jobs in the shipyards

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was effectively written off.

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I think it was anyway.

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Men who were only in their forties and fifties,

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they never worked again.

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And that was so tragic. And it still makes me angry today.

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Countless families were affected in the region, and when the

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largest shipyard - Swan Hunter - finally closed in 1994,

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Allen was there.

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The very last day at Swans, we had to come out of the yard,

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and then I walked up the top of Swans Bank,

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and I watched all those proud men, and they looked proud to me,

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coming up that bank,

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and some of them had a black plastic rubbish sack...with them.

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It must have been their bits and pieces of a lifetime of working

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in a shipyard, coming up that bank, and I thought, "This is not right."

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It might have made sense to somebody, it didn't to me.

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Today, many people on Tyneside are still struggling to come

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to terms with the repercussions

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caused by the end of the shipbuilding.

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But the pride around the incredible ships built on this river

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will live on for generations.

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If, when you come into this earth, and you leave something

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when you've gone that wasn't there...

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before you, your life's been a total success. You've created something.

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We're now back at the Discovery Museum in the centre

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of Newcastle, the location for our valuation day.

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People are still arriving as I'm speaking,

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which is good news for us - more antiques to value.

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Let's catch up with our experts

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and see what else we can find to take off to auction.

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It's over to Adam Partridge.

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Well, John, my eyes lit up

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when I saw you with the Muhammad Ali boxing memorabilia.

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Tell me, how did you come to own this?

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Well, I went, like it says on the programme, in 1978 to watch him.

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-You were there?

-Yes.

-At the Las Vegas Hilton.

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-Must have been a pretty exciting trip.

-It was.

-Great memories?

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-Great memories.

-Wow.

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So you've got the biography, signed by the great Muhammad Ali.

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Where were you when he signed it?

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-That was in the lounge of the hotel at the Hilton.

-The hotel lounge.

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-And what was he like, did he sign it with pleasure?

-Oh, yes.

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Let's not forget, this is the century's greatest sportsman,

0:29:220:29:25

some people say, and possibly the most famous boxer

0:29:250:29:28

there will ever be.

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-Muhammad Ali, I think he won the Olympic gold medal in 1960.

-Yes.

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And then he was a very young heavyweight champion

0:29:340:29:37

-at the age of 22. This is 14 years later, isn't it?

-Yes.

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So, sadly, he's on the wane by now, and he lost this fight,

0:29:420:29:46

didn't he, to Leon Spinks?

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-Yes, lost on points.

-And are these photos you took yourself?

0:29:470:29:51

-I took them...

-Was this in the build-up to the fight?

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-Yes, used to...

-Was this the weigh-in?

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-No, training, you could pay to go and see them train.

-OK.

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-They were all training in the Hilton.

-Was that impressive?

-Oh, yes.

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Ali, that's how he lost really, cos he didn't train that well.

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Do you think he was cocky enough to think he'd just walk through him

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and didn't train properly enough?

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Well, his training sessions were good,

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but he wasn't as good as Leon Spinks.

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Spinks trained solid and everybody knew...

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It just shows I suppose, that even if you're "The Greatest",

0:30:190:30:22

-you still have to put the work in.

-Yes, yes.

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Now then, why have you suddenly decided to sell them, John?

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I've just had them in the drawer.

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We've got grandchildren and I'm frightened somebody

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takes them out and starts...

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It'd be a shame if someone took a crayon...

0:30:340:30:37

-"Aw there's a book, I'll write on it."

-It would ruin it, wouldn't it?

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I'm really glad you've brought them,

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there's an interest in sporting memorabilia,

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you've got a great name, the downside is the value's

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not that high because he signed a lot of stuff.

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He was a nice guy and he'd sign and sign and sign,

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so the signature's not that rare.

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But as a collection of items there, I think

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you're probably worth £30-35. Sound all right?

0:30:550:30:59

That's all right for me, I've not a clue, I'll take your word for it.

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Is there any price at which you'd rather have them back?

0:31:030:31:05

-No, just let them go.

-No reserve?

-Let them go.

0:31:050:31:08

There are lots of collectors of sporting memorabilia out there

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and hopefully this is going to appeal,

0:31:110:31:13

because they don't come much bigger.

0:31:130:31:15

-No.

-So I'm looking forward to seeing how it sells.

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-Hopefully we'll get a knockout price.

-Thank you very much.

0:31:200:31:23

Time there for Adam. It's over to Anita now for round two.

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Ann, welcome to Flog It! It's lovely to have you along

0:31:290:31:32

and it's lovely to see these terrific bits of Mason's.

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Tell me, how did you come by them, is this the kind of thing you like?

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Tell me about your association with Mason's.

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Well, 30 years ago I moved into a Victorian terrace, a three-storey

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big one, and of course it needed

0:31:500:31:52

quite a lot of filling out, as it were,

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and I started picking up bits and pieces here and there,

0:31:550:31:58

-and now I've got over 60 pieces.

-60 pieces?

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And the other things are just spread through the house?

0:32:020:32:05

-But why are you wanting to sell them, Ann?

-Ah.

0:32:050:32:07

Well, sadly, I'm moving. My house is up for sale at the moment.

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And I'm moving into a 1930s bungalow.

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And I will have to buy things that match my new house.

0:32:150:32:19

I will take some of these things with me, but not these pieces.

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Tell me, why Mason's in particular?

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I just think they're robust and strong and decorative.

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Let's have a look, we've got a pair of matching vases here,

0:32:310:32:35

they're transfer printed, and let's have a wee look underneath.

0:32:350:32:41

We have the backstamp for Mason's there,

0:32:420:32:47

but we can see an engraved or an incised stamp for Ashworth's.

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Now, Ashworth's bought over Mason's in the late 1800s,

0:32:530:32:59

they bought over all the patterns and moulds and so on.

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But, I mean, these things are from the 1870s/1880s,

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so they are a good age.

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We have some damage on this, but it's a very pretty early piece,

0:33:100:33:15

and this, the finial on this teapot here

0:33:150:33:17

has been repaired, it has been stapled.

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-I think it's interesting the way they staple things, don't they?

-I know.

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I love that as well.

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So, estimate on them, I would say...

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£50...

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-£50/£60, £50 to £70...

-Oh, that would be fine. Yeah.

0:33:320:33:35

..and perhaps give the auctioneer some discretion on a reserve of £50.

0:33:360:33:41

I'm not really worried about a reserve, really,

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I just want them... to be loved somewhere, really.

0:33:440:33:48

-You want them to be loved.

-Sad, isn't it?

-No, it's not sad at all.

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I mean, they are just pots, aren't they?

0:33:510:33:52

-I think it's absolutely lovely, it will certainly draw the bids in.

-Thank you.

0:33:520:33:56

-It's been lovely to meet you and good luck with your new house.

-Thank you very much.

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And we're on the move too now as Adam marches in

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for our final valuation.

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-Jim and Jean.

-Yes.

-Yes.

0:34:070:34:08

Very nice to see your collection of regimental swagger sticks.

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I feel I should be standing straight when I talk to you with these.

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And you're a former Lancashire Fusilier yourself, aren't you, Jim?

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Yep, I was a physical training instructor.

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OK, is that what gave rise to the collection?

0:34:210:34:24

Well, I saw one online and with it being Lancashire Fusiliers,

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I bid for it and won it, and my interest grew from that.

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People watching this, some people aren't going to know what a swagger stick is,

0:34:330:34:36

so perhaps you could explain that.

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I'm standing with it like that, probably not correctly,

0:34:380:34:40

what were they used for?

0:34:400:34:42

Well, when you were on parade, say, 18th/19th century,

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and you wore long hair, improperly dressed...or button undone,

0:34:480:34:51

the NCO might just come along and give you a whack on the back.

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-Give you a little crack on the back with it?

-Yeah.

0:34:540:34:57

-And then later it became just a sort of ceremonial thing?

-Yeah, yeah.

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-A mark of more...

-A mark of your rank and that.

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-A mark of your rank and station.

-Yeah.

-Very good.

0:35:020:35:05

This one's particularly interesting and is why we've singled it out.

0:35:050:35:08

-Of course, it's a Lancashire Fusiliers' one, isn't it?

-Yeah.

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But it's engraved here to... GE Tallents.

0:35:110:35:14

-Yeah.

-Now, you've done a bit of research about this, haven't you?

0:35:140:35:18

-Yeah. He was a young lieutenant in 1915 at Gallipoli...

-Yeah.

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..where he won the DSO... attack on Hill 114,

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then later on, 1920, became a major,

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he took over the barracks in Bury

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and in 1923 he was a lieutenant colonel,

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he took over the 2nd Battalion, The Lancashire Fusiliers in India.

0:35:370:35:41

-So he had a pretty distinguished military career, didn't he?

-Yeah.

0:35:410:35:44

So, how did you find this one? Was that online as well?

0:35:440:35:48

-Yes, that was online, I was quite lucky with that one.

-Were you?

0:35:480:35:50

Go on, you're smiling, it was cheap?

0:35:500:35:53

-Yeah, very cheap.

-Go on.

0:35:530:35:55

Well, it just... I put my bid in and I got it for £19.

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£19, that's not bad at all.

0:35:590:36:01

Jean, what do you think of the collection?

0:36:010:36:03

I think it's brilliant, I've really had to force him to bring them today.

0:36:030:36:07

-Really?

-Yes, I really have.

0:36:070:36:08

-What, you've forced him, but yet you are an enthusiast, so what...?

-I am.

0:36:080:36:11

-He's downsizing and we need to get rid of quite a bit of stuff.

-Yeah.

0:36:110:36:15

-It'll hurt him doing this, but it needs to go.

-Really?

0:36:150:36:19

-Yes.

-Oh, dear.

0:36:190:36:20

What sort of thing do you think they are going to fetch?

0:36:200:36:23

-I've got an idea of 300 or 400 quid.

-Yeah, probably, yeah.

0:36:230:36:27

-Well, there's 12 of them, aren't there?

-Yeah.

0:36:270:36:30

-And simple maths... They're worth more than 20 quid each, that's 240, isn't it?

-Yeah.

0:36:300:36:33

-30 quid each is 360, so they must be worth that.

-Yeah.

0:36:330:36:37

And some of them are going to be worth a bit more,

0:36:370:36:39

but on average, 30 quid a lot.

0:36:390:36:41

-So if we put 300 to 400?

-Yeah.

0:36:410:36:43

Jean's nodding anyway!

0:36:430:36:45

-Is that all right?

-Yeah.

0:36:450:36:46

-Put a reserve of 300?

-Yeah.

0:36:460:36:48

If they don't make it, nothing lost, there's no charge,

0:36:480:36:50

-but you'll be able to take them back home...

-Back home, yeah.

0:36:500:36:53

I can understand the pain that you might feel when they move on,

0:36:530:36:57

but if it's any consolation - if and when they sell -

0:36:570:36:59

-they're going to go to a collector just as passionate as you.

-Yeah, exactly.

0:36:590:37:03

Thanks very much for coming, I've really enjoyed talking to you and...

0:37:030:37:07

-Any good?

-No.

0:37:090:37:10

Well, I think you missed the boat there with a military career(!)

0:37:110:37:14

Better stick to the day job, Adam!

0:37:140:37:16

Sadly it's time to say goodbye to our host venue today,

0:37:180:37:21

the Discovery Museum.

0:37:210:37:22

We've had a brilliant time here,

0:37:220:37:23

but our experts have now found their final items to take off to auction.

0:37:230:37:27

So, as we say goodbye to the Discovery Museum,

0:37:270:37:30

it's hello once again to the Boldon Auction Galleries

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and here's a quick recap of all the items we are taking with us.

0:37:320:37:36

Will John's signed Muhammad Ali autobiography pull in

0:37:360:37:41

the bidding heavyweights?

0:37:410:37:42

Ann says they've got to go, but will the bidders think so too

0:37:420:37:46

when it comes to these Victorian ceramics?

0:37:460:37:49

And there are niche markets, so will the military collectors

0:37:490:37:52

be standing to attention for Jim's swagger sticks?

0:37:520:37:55

In Boldon, the sale is in full swing

0:38:000:38:02

and auctioneer Giles Hodges is about to test our next lot.

0:38:020:38:06

Well, I've just been joined by James, Jean and Adam, our expert,

0:38:070:38:10

and we all have a swagger in our step, because so far we've sold all our lots.

0:38:100:38:14

We have the swagger sticks coming up now, there's a collection of 12.

0:38:140:38:17

You never know, if there's a collector out there that really,

0:38:170:38:19

really wants these, James, like you -

0:38:190:38:21

you've made this a big part of your life - they will buy heavily into them.

0:38:210:38:25

-I hope so.

-Yeah. You're going to be sad, aren't you, when these go?

0:38:250:38:29

On three or four of them.

0:38:290:38:30

On three and four, we'll talk about that in a minute

0:38:300:38:33

because it's going under the hammer right now.

0:38:330:38:35

These collection

0:38:350:38:36

of 12 fusilier swagger sticks...

0:38:360:38:38

I'm bid 200 to start them.

0:38:380:38:41

At 200 for the swagger sticks.

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At £200, 20 now.

0:38:430:38:46

220, 240, 260, 280, 300.

0:38:460:38:51

It's in the room at £300.

0:38:510:38:54

At £300, are we all done?

0:38:540:38:57

At £300, and we shall be away at £300...

0:38:570:39:03

There we go, they've gone, well done. Well done, both of you.

0:39:030:39:06

Which ones will you miss out of that collection?

0:39:060:39:08

-The Lancashire Fusiliers and the Northumberland Fusiliers.

-OK.

0:39:080:39:11

-Have you got any other memorabilia at home?

-Yeah.

0:39:110:39:16

-Yeah. So you haven't sold everything?

-No.

0:39:160:39:18

-Jean's enjoyed the experience, haven't you, Jean?

-I have.

-The flogging experience!

0:39:180:39:22

'Perhaps not so enjoyable for Jim, who is being very dignified

0:39:220:39:26

'about his downsizing, and our next seller is in the same boat.'

0:39:260:39:30

Well, I've just been joined by Ann who is in the process of downsizing,

0:39:300:39:35

you're moving from a Victorian terrace to a bungalow, smaller?

0:39:350:39:38

-A '30s bungalow.

-A '30s bungalow?

-Yeah.

0:39:380:39:40

So you going to go for a little bit of Art Deco look, then, or?

0:39:400:39:43

-Yes, but not Clarice Cliff.

-Not Clarice... No! No, I don't like...

0:39:430:39:46

Don't get me going, whatever you do!

0:39:460:39:48

I love Clarice Cliff, stop knocking it!

0:39:480:39:51

But anyway, we got a lot of lot here - we've got some vases,

0:39:510:39:55

you got a teapot and stand... there's a lot

0:39:550:39:57

-and there's no reserve, so it's here to go.

-No, no.

0:39:570:40:00

Fingers crossed we will get that £50 to £60 and not the £10.

0:40:000:40:03

Right, let's put the value to the test.

0:40:030:40:05

Giles is on the rostrum,

0:40:050:40:06

let's hand the proceedings over to today's auctioneer.

0:40:060:40:09

There we are, I'm bid... I've got two commission bids

0:40:090:40:13

and 50 starts me, straight in at £50.

0:40:130:40:16

Five, anybody, now?

0:40:160:40:17

At £50 for the lot, five anybody?

0:40:170:40:21

At £50, it's all quiet.

0:40:210:40:23

At £50, the internet's quiet too.

0:40:230:40:25

At £50, ladies and gents, for the first and the last time, at £50...

0:40:250:40:32

-It's gone!

-Just on the bottom reserve, though.

0:40:330:40:36

-You said no reserve on this, didn't you?

-I, well...

0:40:360:40:39

-I said no reserve, you know...

-Could have gone for a tenner!

0:40:390:40:42

-I think we're all happy with that, don't you?

-We're happy.

0:40:420:40:45

'The auction house can be the perfect location

0:40:450:40:48

'to trade the old for the new.

0:40:480:40:49

'Let's hope Ann finds what she's looking for

0:40:490:40:52

'to decorate her new home.

0:40:520:40:53

'It's the countdown for our last lot.

0:40:530:40:56

'Let's hope we get a good price.'

0:40:560:40:58

Right, we're just about to deliver that knockout blow with this

0:40:580:41:01

next lot belonging to John, and a little bit of Muhammad Ali,

0:41:010:41:05

-who you saw fight.

-1978, yes.

0:41:050:41:07

-In Las Vegas.

-Yes.

0:41:070:41:08

Spot-on valuation.

0:41:080:41:09

I was rather hoping it would sort of be more punchier than that,

0:41:090:41:12

but it is a knockout, isn't it? Let's face it, this is a good thing.

0:41:120:41:16

Yeah, yeah, and if it doesn't sell well, we'll take it on the chin.

0:41:160:41:18

-Yes.

-There you go, you thought about that one.

0:41:180:41:21

It's a good 'un, aye!

0:41:210:41:22

Let's see if we can deliver that knockout blow right now,

0:41:220:41:26

it's going under the hammer, good luck.

0:41:260:41:28

I have, again, one, two, three, four bids. I start at 75.

0:41:280:41:34

-Oh, yes.

-80 now.

0:41:340:41:36

80, five. 90, five.

0:41:360:41:39

100, 110. 120, 130, 140, 150, 160.

0:41:390:41:46

It's on my left at 160. 170.

0:41:460:41:49

This is, this is two people, as you say, getting carried away,

0:41:490:41:52

punching it out with each other. Who's got the deepest pockets?

0:41:520:41:55

At £180, are we all done at 180?

0:41:550:41:58

-£180. That's very nice.

-That's a big smile on your face, isn't it?

0:42:030:42:07

Well done, Adam, for spotting that in a queue as well.

0:42:070:42:09

-Well, I'm surprised.

-It's just cos the wife said, "Oh, you'll be lucky to get 50 for it!"

-Yeah.

0:42:090:42:13

-I thought we had it bang on there, but...

-Wow.

-..two people...

0:42:130:42:16

It just goes to show if you've got anything like this at home,

0:42:160:42:19

bring it in to one of our valuation days and you could be

0:42:190:42:21

standing in an auction room like this, going home with 180 quid.

0:42:210:42:24

-Very nice.

-Wow.

0:42:240:42:26

It also proves that when you are collecting autographs,

0:42:260:42:28

the big names always hold their value.

0:42:280:42:31

'And that one was definitely a winner.

0:42:310:42:33

'Luckily for John, the bidders went the distance

0:42:330:42:36

'and it's time for us to ring that final bell.'

0:42:360:42:39

Well, there you are, that's it, the hammer has gone down on our last lot,

0:42:390:42:42

it's another day in the office for Flog It,

0:42:420:42:44

and what a day it was, I thoroughly enjoyed it, I hope you did too.

0:42:440:42:47

If you've got any antiques and collectables you want to sell,

0:42:470:42:50

we would love to see them.

0:42:500:42:51

Bring them along to one of our evaluation days.

0:42:510:42:53

Details of up-and-coming dates and venues you can find on our BBC website

0:42:530:42:57

or check the details in your local press, we'd love to see you.

0:42:570:43:00

But for now, from the North East, it's goodbye from all of us.

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