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Today, we're in Sussex

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at Herstmonceux Castle, just outside of Hastings.

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This architectural delight was built in the 15th century

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and what a marvellous backdrop for our valuation day.

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Welcome to Flog It!

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Tucked away in the Sussex countryside,

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Herstmonceux Castle is a real gem of a building,

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whichever way you look at it.

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It gets its name from Herst,

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which is ancient Anglo-Saxon for "wooded hill",

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and the Monceux family,

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who were lords of the manor here in the medieval times.

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It was built in the 15th century

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and it's a beautiful reminder of that era.

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Our enthusiastic crowd have travelled from

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all corners of Sussex today to this magnificent historic setting,

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laden with bags and boxes full of treasures.

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They're here to see our experts, to ask that all important question,

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-which is... ALL:

-What's it worth?!

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Stay tuned and you'll find out.

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To help us in our quest to sift through these treasures,

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we've asked two of the finest experts to do the digging.

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There's lovable James Lewis...

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A big cuddly bear. Just like me!

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And commanding respect is Catherine Southon.

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Doesn't that look better now, with the lid on?

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Yes, my Lord!

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These are two people who really love their job.

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And there's not a moment to lose.

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It's quite a long walk from the castle gates

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to the magnificent ballroom,

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where our teams have got everything in place for our visitors.

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And while everyone gets settled,

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here's a quick glimpse of what's coming up later on in the show.

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Catherine gets a little too attached to one of her finds.

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Can I have a receipt?

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No, I don't give receipts.

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And we have a real howler at the auction.

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HE HOWLS

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And I get to honour the intriguing story behind today's venue,

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Herstmonceux Castle.

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Good luck, everyone. Fingers crossed.

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We're all safely seated inside now, so there's not a moment to lose.

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Let's get on with our first valuation

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and it's straight over to Catherine Southon

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to take a closer look at what she's spotted and who that lucky owner is.

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Christine, there's one name that jumps out at us when we see this

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-and it's...

-Moorcroft.

-Moorcroft, of course.

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And this is something that certainly came out to me in the queue,

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because it is... It is a piece of Moorcroft,

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but it is an early piece of Moorcroft

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and that's what the collectors want.

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Where did you get it from, Christine?

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Well, actually, I was clearing out my mother's cupboards

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and I'd never seen it before

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but it was covered in cigarette smoke, because she smoked,

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and I thought, where's this come from?

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And I think it must have come from her family.

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So when you saw it, did you recognise what it was?

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-No.

-Right.

-I didn't know anything about it at all.

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I took it out of the cupboard and I thought...

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I like flowers, I thought, oh, that's quite pretty,

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washed it off, took it home,

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then started watching these antique programmes

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-and Moorcroft kept popping up and popping up...

-Right.

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And I thought, I'll go and have a look at the name on that...

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-Ah! Very good.

-..vase.

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-And it was Moorcroft, so that's how I came about it.

-Fantastic.

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-So then did you like it a bit more when you saw Moorcroft?

-I did!

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But I like it myself anyway,

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because of the flowers and the design of it.

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-Yeah.

-But I've had it for quite a long time, over 30 years, I think.

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It's wonderful, because this is an early mark.

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The actual pattern on it, which is so pretty...

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-It is.

-On this lovely cream ground, is actually known as Persian,

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the Persian pattern.

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And you can kind of see

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where they've got that sort of Persian influence from.

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It dates from the 1920s and if you turn it over there,

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you've got a lovely clear mark...

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-That's right.

-W Moorcroft for William Moorcroft,

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and then down there,

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you've got the number which actually relates to the shape.

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Now, as we look at it, it is perfect.

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However, we turn it round...

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-I know what you're going to say.

-And what do we see?

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There's a tiny chip and I don't know how that got there.

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I think it was there when I picked it up.

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It's such a shame.

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-I know.

-And the problem is when people buy Moorcroft,

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Moorcroft collectors, who will love this piece of early Moorcroft...

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-I know.

-..because it is quite a rare pattern.

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The first thing they're going to ask about is restoration

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and they are very picky on any marks, any chips.

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Had this been in perfect condition, you probably don't want to hear,

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-but I'm going to tell you anyway...

-Right.

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Had this been in perfect condition,

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I think you would be looking at 1,000 to 1,500,

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maybe 1,200 to 1,800.

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-Oh!

-I know.

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Right. Now, tell me the...

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Tell you... Are you...? Do you want to hold on to something?

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Hold on to me, hold on to me. Um...

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Because of the condition, it really makes a massive, massive difference.

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I know.

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Really, the price goes right down

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and we're looking at more like 400-600.

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-Right.

-Shall we flog it?

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Oh, yes, please. Flog it.

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Fantastic. Thank you, Christine.

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-Thank you.

-It's been lovely to meet you.

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Back in the ballroom,

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it looks like James has sniffed out a real treat for dog lovers.

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Alf, when I saw you outside in the queue...

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..and I saw that in your hand, I just thought, how fantastic.

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There are certain things that when you pick them up

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or when you see them,

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memories of childhood sort of come flooding back.

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And that is exactly what happened for me.

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And my grandad used to rip out a cartoon strip from the Daily Mail

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and it used to be Fred Basset and that's why I picked it, really.

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Because I just thought, what a lovely, lovely thing to have.

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And it's inscribed to you.

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-Yeah.

-What's the history?

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Well, Alex Graham was one of our vice presidents,

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at Artisans Golf.

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He was my partner and we got talking

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-and my wife was organising a dog show...

-Right.

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Some friends had a Basset and I said,

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could he just whip a Basset on a scorecard.

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He came up with that, as simple as that.

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-Brilliant.

-That's basically the story of it.

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I'm sure you know all about Alex Graham.

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He was a Scottish born artist, born in 1917,

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sadly died around 1991.

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And was most well-known for his work in the Daily Mail

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with the Fred Basset cartoon strip.

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And he did hundreds of them through his career

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of this little Basset Hound called Fred,

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and it was based on his own little Basset Hound that he had,

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called Frida, I think?

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-I think it was...

-Yeah.

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This is an original cartoon strip

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and it's signed, it's in pen and ink,

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and you can see where some of the errors and changes have happened,

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where he's used the old-fashioned Tippex to rub them out.

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I've never seen one before and the difficult thing is to value it.

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But I always end up overvaluing the things that mean something to me.

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I think if it didn't make £30, I'd be disappointed

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and it wouldn't be worth...

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it wouldn't be worth selling it, would it?

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So I think if we put a reserve of 30

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and an estimate of 30-50,

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-would that be all right?

-Yeah.

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I mean, it's only sitting in the cupboard at home...

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-Is it really?

-Yeah.

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It's a perfect thing to have up on the loo wall.

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..Nah!

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THEY LAUGH

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But I think it's absolutely super.

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I really like it.

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As long as I've made your day.

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Yeah, you've really made me smile.

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Well done, thank you so much for bringing it in.

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-Thanks a lot.

-Great to see you. Thank you.

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As a Basset owner myself, I do love those cartoons.

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And outside the castle,

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Catherine has spotted our final find of the morning.

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Well, Chou-chou.

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Tony, what can I say?

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We have a beautiful backdrop

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and then we have some very elegantly dressed people.

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You look wonderful, both of you.

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-Thank you.

-Thank you.

-Very smart.

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You're very kind, thank you.

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-More important than the objects.

-You look gorgeous yourself!

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Well, let's move on to have a look at what we've got here.

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We've got some nice pocket watches and a rather smart fob.

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Now, you're very elegantly dressed, Tony.

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-Yeah.

-Very smart.

-Yes, he says.

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-He knows he is, doesn't he?

-That's his hobby.

-Yeah.

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Are these something that you would've worn once upon a time?

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I used to wear these every week.

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-Really?

-Because I always wore waistcoats and suits,

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but I, of course, was never allowed

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to wear any jewellery or a watch.

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-Right.

-Because of my career.

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-What was your career, then?

-Grand Prix motorcyclist.

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-Oh, I see.

-And in consequence,

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you weren't allowed to wear any jewellery or anything.

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Wonderful. And I bet you looked really smart.

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So, let's go through these one by one.

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-Thank you.

-So we've got this nine carat gold pocket watch.

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-Yes.

-Let's just have a look at it here, half-hunter pocket watch,

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because we've got the little aperture there.

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-Half-hunter.

-The important thing is to look at the dial

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to see what sort of condition it is.

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-Yes.

-The dial there, which is an enamel dial,

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we can see there's a couple of little cracks there...

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-Yes, yes.

-But generally speaking, it is in quite nice condition.

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But for me, the more interesting piece is this little medallion.

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-Where did it come from?

-Well, that was won by...

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my great, great, great grandmother, erm,

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for gymnastics before the First World War.

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And, um...

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It was handed down to me but I never saw the lady, so it has no actual...

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-Value to you.

-..heart value to me.

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Because you just turn it over there and you can see it is dated 1910.

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-1910.

-And presumably that's her, is it?

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-V Horton.

-Yes.

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And there she's won first prize.

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-Yes.

-And you can see on the top there it says first.

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And then moving onto this one,

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because I really like the shape of this.

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It's about 1920s and just sort of speaks of that era, doesn't it?

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-Yeah.

-So where did you get this one?

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That was handed down to me

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as an heirloom from another auntie.

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-OK.

-Because you open it up inside

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and I know, cos you mentioned something about Grand Prix...

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-Yeah.

-And inside I saw Grand Prix and I was thinking,

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"Oh, Grand Prix, as in Grand Prix."

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-Grand Prix.

-But it's nothing to do with that.

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Nothing to do with me, no.

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It's Grand Prix as in Grand Prix, a prize.

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-Yes, yes.

-So that's what it means.

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-Grand prize, yes.

-Exactly.

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And again, this is a nine carat gold pocket watch.

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-Yes.

-Now my thoughts are that these have been worn as one by yourself

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and I think they should stay together as one.

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I would suggest putting them in with an estimate of £300-500

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with a reserve of 300, because they're worth that.

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-Yes.

-This one...

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I love this watch,

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but I would suggest 100-150 as an estimate with a reserve of £80.

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So how does that all sound to you? Happy to put them into auction?

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Well, that sounds perfect to me.

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That sounds perfect to me, too.

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So, two different, we've got two different lots here

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-going under the hammer.

-Yes, thank you.

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-Sound good to you?

-Yes, fine, yeah.

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-Terrific.

-Thank you, Chou-chou?

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-Yes.

-Chou-chou.

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Chou-chou. Thank you, Tony.

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Thank you, Catherine. And I shall see you both at the auction.

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-I hope so, yes.

-Thank you so much.

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Two very stylish owners with two stylish watches and chain.

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A perfect combination.

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Well, this is where it gets exciting.

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This is where we change gear.

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Our experts have now found their first three items

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to take off to auction.

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Anything could happen, do not go away.

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Fingers crossed, we're going to have one or two big surprises.

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We're making our way over to the saleroom and we'll leave you

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with a rundown, just to jog your memory,

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of all the items that are going under the hammer.

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With Moorcroft signed on the base,

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that vase should pull in the collectors at auction.

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Tony's decided it's time to say goodbye to his fob watches,

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which we'll auction off separately.

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And I love the Fred Basset cartoon,

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but will it be best in show and fetch a good price?

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We're heading east now, across Sussex to Rye.

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Rising up above the levels of the Romney Marshes,

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this picturesque seaside town is home

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to our unusual-looking saleroom,

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Rye Auction Galleries.

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This is what I love to see, an auction room packed full of bidders.

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Auctioneer Kevin Wall is already on the rostrum,

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the auction is just about to start.

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I'm going to catch up with our owners, they're feeling nervous.

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You settle down and watch the excitement as it unfolds.

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Let's get on with our first lot.

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And remember, there's always commission to pay at auctions.

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Here, it's 15% plus VAT.

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And our first lot of the day is Christine's vase.

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Going under the hammer now, one of the greatest names in ceramics,

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Moorcroft. And we've got a lovely bit.

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Thank you for bringing it in, Christine. Good to see you again.

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-Thank you.

-Why are you selling this?

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My husband wanted to go on the British Pullman

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-and I want to do it for his birthday...

-Oh...

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-..so that's why I'm selling it.

-Oh...

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We're going from Eastbourne to Bath.

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Oh, how lovely.

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-How regal.

-Yes. It's lovely.

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Oh... He's a lucky boy.

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-He is, very lucky.

-He's a lucky boy.

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£400 to £600, we should do this.

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This is a cracking example.

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We should. Lovely colours, nice Persian pattern,

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the only thing was there was a tiny bit of damage that I can recall.

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-Only a tiny bit.

-We keep saying tiny...

-A tiny bit.

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-Tiny.

-Let's find out what the bidders think,

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it's going under the hammer right now.

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Lot 115 is the Moorcroft cream ground Persian pattern vase.

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And I've got 200, 220, 250, I've got 250 here.

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280, 300, 320.

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350, 380, 400.

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At 400 at the back of the room now.

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Has the internet gone quiet?

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At £400, it's still with you, sir.

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At £400, are we all done?

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BANGS GAVEL

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Yes! £400, we just got that away within estimate.

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Four to six, we've sold it.

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-Good.

-That's the train journey sorted out for you.

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-That's right, it is, yeah, thank you.

-Great.

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Next up, it's those fabulous fob watches.

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Chou-chou and Tony, thank you so much, and Catherine,

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for brightening up the show.

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-Look at this.

-Thank you.

-I feel a little bit underdressed.

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You all look fabulous today, lots of lovely colours.

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-Thank you.

-I love what you're wearing, as well.

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-Thank you.

-Right, look, two watches going under the hammer.

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-Yes.

-One is the half-hunter, that's going now.

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-Mm-hm.

-And the other one is the one with the fob.

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-Yeah.

-The one with a lot of money on it. This is it, good luck.

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Lot 460 is the George V nine carat gold half-hunter pocket watch

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with silver dial. And I start it at 75.

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At 75. 80, is it now?

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At 75, do I see 80?

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At 75 for this one.

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At 75, it's a lovely...

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-Close, go on.

-Come on!

-Sell it.

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Are we all done at 75?

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No?

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I'm afraid that is unsold today.

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Look, I'm ever so sorry, we had £75, we needed five more,

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five more pounds to reach that reserve of 80, we didn't get it.

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That one didn't sell, it's going home.

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Next up, the larger watch with the fob chain.

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It's going under the hammer now, this is it.

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Lot number 475 is this nine carat gold half-hunter pocket watch,

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together with a curb link fob chain and I start it at 220.

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220, I've got.

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At 220. 230, 240, 250, 260,

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270, 280, 290, 300...

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-Yes.

-This is good.

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320, 330, 340, 350, 360,

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370, 380, 390, 400,

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410, 420, 430, 440, 450,

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460, 470, 480, 500, 520,

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-540...

-Up...

-580, 600.

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620. 640.

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At 620 on my right now.

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At £620.

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At £620, the bid is on the right.

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At £620, you're all done and selling...

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Well, look, £620...

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-Fantastic.

-Whey!

-Whoo!

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We failed with the first but we did really well with the second.

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-Yeah...

-We made up for it.

-Thank you. Thank you, both of you.

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We're sending you away very happy.

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-Yeah.

-Well done.

-Thank you, both of you.

-Thank you.

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And finally, can Alfred's signed cartoon

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give us something to smile about?

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So, who loves Basset dogs?

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Well, I do. I've got one and I'm sure many of you have at home.

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They're great dogs, they're so stubborn, though

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and they are incredibly lazy.

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Alf, it's great to see you.

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Did you ever get a Basset dog in your life?

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Some friends have one.

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And aren't they lovely? But I love Fred Basset.

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Like you, I grew up reading that cartoon strip.

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-Yeah.

-My mum and dad got the paper and I used to collect them

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and read them. It's not about the money for me on this.

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-No...

-It's about the memories.

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-I mean...

-But it's signed by the artist.

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We came over for a day out to the valuation and ended up here.

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Well, it's good, this is Flog It!

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You're getting the whole experience.

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Right, we're going to put this under the hammer, a packed saleroom,

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all of these bidders out here must love Fred Basset, mustn't they?

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-One hopes so.

-We all grew up with him.

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Let's find out what it's worth.

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Lot 295 is the Alex Graham Fred Basset cartoon strip.

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Lots of interest. Erm...

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I've got 35, 55, 65, 75,

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85, 90, 95, 100...

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-Whoa!

-120.

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130? 140, 150?

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-Wow.

-160, 170.

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At 180 now.

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At 180, 190?

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At 200. 210, 220...

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-Oh, brilliant.

-Oh, my...

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Everyone loves the Basset.

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250. At 250 on the net.

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At £250, are we all done and finished here?

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Yes! £250 for Fred Basset.

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HE HOWLS

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And they do do that, Bassets, they're proper hounds.

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A-woooo! 250 quid, Alf.

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-I don't believe it.

-Have you got any more?

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-No.

-THEY LAUGH

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I'll have a look round for some more.

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-Anyway, thank you very much.

-250 quid.

-What a great result.

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Brilliant, isn't it?

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Well, there you are,

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you've just seen our first three lots under the hammer.

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So far, so good. We are coming back here later on, so do not go away.

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Before we join up with our experts back at the valuation day venue,

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I had the chance to find out the story behind Herstmonceux Castle.

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Well, there's no denying it,

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Herstmonceux Castle is a stunning, impressive-looking building,

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it really is an architectural gem.

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It's nearly 700 years old

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and it still looks like it's in pristine condition. Today,

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it's part of Queen's University in Canada

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and students from all over the world come here to study,

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but its story is one of great survival.

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This is a building lucky to still be standing.

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Herstmonceux may look like a fortress

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designed to hold back an army, but it isn't.

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Look a bit closer and you might spot a few problems.

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It's made of brick and has big windows,

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neither of which are much use against cannons or siege catapults.

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And that's because Herstmonceux was never meant to be a fortress.

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The castle was built in 1441 by a wealthy nobleman, Sir Roger Fiennes.

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Not only did he want a home that would impress,

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but it also had to reflect his taste and his status.

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He not only made this absolutely huge,

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but he decided to build it out of brick,

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which was really unusual because back in Britain at that time

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nobody else was building in brick,

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so you could say this is the finest build of its kind

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since the Romans left a thousand years earlier.

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However, few people in the country really knew how to build with brick,

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so Sir Roger had to bring in

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specialist brick makers and builders from Belgium.

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That brought the cost of this ambitious project

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to over £1 billion in today's money.

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It was a huge success.

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Trendsetting Roger made brick-building fashionable.

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The size and the style of the castle put Herstmonceux on the map

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and inspired the design of other buildings around the country.

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For the next couple of centuries,

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life for the castle and its owners ticked along fairly smoothly.

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Running a castle like this was probably enough of a task.

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By the 1600s,

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the family name changed by marriage to Leonard

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and these accounts from the period give a fascinating insight

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into what life was like in the castle

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and how the castle ran its financial affairs.

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And just reading what they ate gives you an idea of how well they lived.

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Apart from the obvious things we've got here

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like pork and mutton and beef,

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they liked rabbits, they liked squirrel,

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they liked blackbird, lark, pigeon.

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Lobster, crab, mullet, bass

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and it even says here, "maids," "ursers" and "withies",

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whatever they are.

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And, incidentally,

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there is a beer quota here for every single person,

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including children, of eight gallons of beer per week.

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Now, to be frank with you,

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I think the beer would be a lot healthier to drink

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than the water back in the day.

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Running a castle was an expensive business

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and this just goes to show how detailed and careful they had to be.

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They kept a watch on every single penny.

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Believe me, these are just a few pages from hundreds that exist

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in the castle's archive.

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Unfortunately, the cost of lavish living in such a grand castle

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became too much for the family,

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and, by the 18th century, it had to be sold off.

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This was bad news for Herstmonceux.

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Over the next 60 years, the castle passed between different owners,

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slowly becoming more and more neglected.

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And, in 1776, all the contents of the castle were sold off.

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Fixtures, fittings, fireplaces, everything.

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The sale lasted three days

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and the eager buyers camped out on the front lawns.

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That's the type of dedication to auctions we love to see on Flog It!

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But the worst was still to come.

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The owners of the castle demolished all the interior walls.

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All that was left were these outer walls of Herstmonceux Castle.

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It literally was a shell.

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A once grand and glorious home was now left as a ruin.

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Over the next century, the ivy crept in

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and virtually swallowed the ruins.

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The elegant gardens became overgrown

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and the once great castle became a quaint Victorian tourist attraction.

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But it wasn't all over for Herstmonceux.

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There was a knight in shining armour

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ready to rescue this castle in distress.

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It was bought in 1911 by Lieutenant Colonel Lowther.

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He was determined to return it to its former glory.

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Over the next 18 years,

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he set about rebuilding the castle brick by brick.

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From just a desolate ruin,

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he gradually restored the interior of the building

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and then the ivy was stripped away

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and the gardens returned to their former Elizabethan elegance.

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He did an amazing job when you bear in mind that

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all he bought was a shell of a building.

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The detail is fantastic.

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He fitted out to the interior with fine stone and woodwork.

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Most of it from other historic houses across England.

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Most impressive has to be this very grand oak staircase,

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said to come from a house in Hertfordshire

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built for a visit for Queen Elizabeth I.

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Now, sadly, Lowther died in 1929 when the restoration of Herstmonceux

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was nearly there, but not quite complete.

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The challenge of completing Herstmonceux Castle

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was taken on by Sir Paul Latham in 1932.

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Lavishing a staggering £60 million in today's money,

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he finished off the restoration and put Herstmonceux

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back on the map, attracting the rich and the famous.

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Robert Shanks's father was the farm manager at the time

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and they lived on the estate.

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Robert, so, did you know the castle as a child?

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-Did you get to know it?

-Yes, we did.

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It was on our doorstep

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and it was only open to the public one day a year

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but, as children, we used to sneak over the fence

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and have a look at it.

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When you saw the scale of it, and all the ramparts and things,

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as a nine-year-old, you had to be impressed with it.

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And you've got some memorabilia?

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Yes, I have.

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I've got a visitors' book of the castle.

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I would imagine there are some

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very important names in this visitors' book.

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Well, the one that I think I would go to first -

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here we have King George V and Mary,

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and we have the future King George VI and Elizabeth

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all on one page.

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That's quite incredible, isn't it?

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Fashion people like Beaton.

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Alexander Haig. Look at that.

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The aircraft designer and builder Sopwith.

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Even the Rothschilds turned up, too.

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Look at that. Victor Rothschild's there.

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-That's quite a scribble for such a rich man.

-It is, isn't it?

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-Yes.

-It's a pity it's not on a cheque, isn't it?

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I mean, that's a Who's Who of the day, basically.

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-Yes, it is.

-It really is and that's a wonderful,

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valuable document of social history.

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It really is, isn't it? It's not just a book.

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It's got names, dates and places all connected to this fabulous castle.

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-Yes, it has.

-That's so precious.

-Yes.

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Sadly, those heady days of Sir Latham and his famous guests

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didn't last long.

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He sold off the castle after the Second World War

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and it passed through various owners

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until it became what it is today -

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a very unique campus for Queen's University in Canada.

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Today's students walk the corridors

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and study in the rooms of Herstmonceux,

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the latest inhabitants of this grand old building.

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For a castle that was never meant to be a stronghold,

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it's taken all that 700 years of history can throw at it

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and it's survived incredibly well, and, looking at it now,

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who's to say it's not going to be around for another 700 years?

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Back inside the castle ballroom,

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people are still flocking in with their antiques,

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eager to meet our experts.

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And it looks like James has spotted something

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that wouldn't look out of place in one of the castle's fine rooms.

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Jo, let me take you back 150 years or so to about 1850.

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You've just had a wonderful dinner

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with all your servants looking after you, serving you at the table,

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and the ladies go to one room and the gentlemen to the other

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and somebody says, "Shall we get the liqueur cabinet out?"

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And the servant would go to their side cabinet, collect this,

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we open this up - what a great surprise.

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So inside we've got six liqueur decanters.

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And we've got a little tray that would be taken out

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and...decanter would be taken out,

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would top up a couple of very mean little glasses there,

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and you would sup away

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and I have to say you'd have to have quite a few refills, I would say.

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How long have you had it?

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It came from my grandfather's antique shop.

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He was a fine arts dealer at the beginning of the 20th century.

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OK.

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It was passed down through my father

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and the lock is broken

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because my brother and I were left on our own with it one day,

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it had no key, so it had to be opened!

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-Did you know what was in it?

-No, we had no idea.

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So you weren't after a crafty whisky or anything?

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I was only about eight.

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Let's look at the outside.

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We've got emblems of neoclassicism, like the shell.

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Fashionable from about 1780.

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We've got barber pole stringing.

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We've got a mahogany cabinet, lacquered brass handles.

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The shells go back to a very ancient form of design,

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but if we look at this one, we've got a green ground

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and that green is harewood,

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and harewood is stained sycamore,

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and sycamore holds the stain much better than any other wood.

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And if you've got Granny's rolling pin at home,

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you smell the rolling pin,

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it doesn't smell of whatever you've rolled the time before.

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That's because it's probably made of sycamore,

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and the grain is so tight that it doesn't absorb smell,

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but it also doesn't release colour.

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It's a great thing.

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Not the most fashionable of objects today, but no, I like it.

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I like it a lot. Value...

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I think we should put an auction estimate of £100-£150 on it.

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That's conservative, but it does take into consideration the damage.

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-Is that OK?

-Yes. Will there be a reserve on that?

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Shall we put a reserve of £100?

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-Yes, please.

-Brilliant.

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It'll do that very easily.

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Marvellous. Thank you.

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Over to Catherine's table now,

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and it looks like something dazzling has caught her eye.

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Pat, you've brought a beautiful ring,

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one of my favourites, an aquamarine, along to Flog It today.

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And, actually, it goes very nicely with what you're wearing.

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Yes, my favourite colour.

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It is a beautiful colour, isn't it?

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Now this was actually very popular, this type of ring, in the 1920s.

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This is really when it came out, became very fashionable.

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Where did you get it from, Pat?

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It belonged to my late mother-in-law,

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who was quite a character,

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and I remember distinctly the day she showed it to me.

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Came in with it on her finger and I said, "Oh, Mum, that's a bit gaudy.

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-"Where did you get it from?"

-Oh, did you?

-"A Christmas cracker?"

0:30:140:30:17

-Did you?!

-Yes! She was quite upset, really.

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She said, "It's a real aquamarine."

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So when you saw this, what sort of time was this?

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30, 40 years ago?

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Yes, about...

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Well, she died in 1978 so that would have been a few years before then.

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-Do you like it?

-I do like it, but it's a bit big

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and it's getting a bit tight for me now.

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-But it is something that you've worn?

-Oh, yes, yes.

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It's just cos looking at it, looking at the marks,

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the mark that it's got, it's not an English mark.

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-No.

-It's a Continental Mark, and it says on it 14 K.

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So this is actually white gold.

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-Yes.

-And a really nice cut stone.

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I think that's a beautiful cut. It's nicely stepped on the sides.

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And it is something that is still very wearable, I think, today,

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and the colour of it, it's a nicer colour

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rather than the sort of blue-green colour

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that you sometimes get with aquamarines.

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-This is really quite a nice colour.

-Some of them are much darker.

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They are, but I think this is a nice colour.

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Are you interested in selling it?

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Well, yes, it might as well go. And then I'll use the money, yes.

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I think we've got to think about, realistically,

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how much it would really make at auction

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-and I think that's about £300-£500.

-Yes.

0:31:280:31:30

How does that sound to you?

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-Yes, that's fine.

-Well, with a reserve of £300.

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I think it's still very saleable

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-and I think it should make towards the top end of that.

-Oh, good.

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-Are you happy with that, Pat?

-Yes, fine.

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Well, I'm going to pop it on there.

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I think I shall wear that for the rest of the day.

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-Shall we leave it there?

-Yes.

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Can I have a receipt?

0:31:480:31:50

No, I don't give receipts.

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Looks like we might have to prise that ring away from Catherine

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to sell it. While our experts search for our last item,

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I took the chance to find out about the castle's current owner.

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Since it was built in the 15th century,

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Herstmonceux has been a grand home for many different owners.

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But recent history has seen it put to a very different use.

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Today it's the Bader International Study Centre

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which is part of Queen's University in Canada.

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And the reason for the name and it being here is this man,

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Dr Alfred Bader.

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Bader came to this part of England from Germany in 1938,

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aged just 14, as part of the Kindertransport.

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This was the rescue effort

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that brought thousands of refugee Jewish children to Britain

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helping them escape the persecution by the Nazis.

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Unfortunately, as the war dragged on,

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many of these children were then moved to Canada and Australia

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and put into internment camps.

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Bader ended up in one of these camps in Canada,

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and when he was released in 1941

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he applied to various universities to study chemistry.

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Queen's, a small university just outside of Montreal,

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was the only one to offer him a place.

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From here, Bader went on to do incredibly well,

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starting his own chemical company with just 500.

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And within 30 years, he made it one of the largest in the world,

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worth billions -

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amazing for a young man who struggled to get into university.

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So, in 1993, retired and extremely wealthy,

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Dr Bader bought Herstmonceux Castle for £6 million

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in the part of England that gave him his refuge,

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and handed it to the university that gave him his education -

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a wonderful, generous act of kindness

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that has helped preserve and keep this magnificent castle alive.

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Back in the ballroom, there's still plenty of buyers

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and James has found our last item for auction.

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Do you like bats?

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-Not particularly.

-Don't you?

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Well, if you were Chinese, you would.

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Because the Chinese word "bat" is "fu",

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and the Chinese word for "good fortune" is also "fu".

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This symbol, the symbol of the bat,

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is something you find all over Chinese porcelain,

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metalwork, sculpture, bronzes, and that's the reason.

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It means good fortune.

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And this is hopefully going to bring you a little bit of good fortune.

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It's a piece of Chinese porcelain

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that would have been made for the export market

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around 1900, 1920.

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Is it something that's been in your family that long?

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Yes, I would think so. It belonged to my great-grandmother.

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And was your great-grandmother a collector?

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-No.

-Just something that she acquired?

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I suppose could even have bought it new?

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Maybe, maybe, yes.

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But, interestingly, it's a circular porcelain plaque

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mounted with silver-coloured metal mounts,

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and these are original with it, which is lovely.

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With guilloche enamel on the decoration -

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these wonderful turquoise greens and blues.

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And what we are seeing is a scene of an elder,

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a teacher, teaching a young lady calligraphy.

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And we see the long Chinese brush,

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and this circular porcelain plaque

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is in the style of an 18th-century one.

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We see the view through a window, so we got the curtains on the side,

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the drapes, and here, the Chinese three-legged censer,

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which would have been filled with sand and incense sticks,

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filling the air with wonderful smells.

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The verse here in Chinese script, I can't read it.

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I wish I could.

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But it probably relates to the scene

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that we see taking place there.

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So let's whip it over.

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So we've got three strands soldered in the middle.

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Very rough unglazed base

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that is exactly what you want to see.

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Totally untouched.

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-Has it been on the wall?

-It was in my grandmother's day, yes.

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-But not lately.

-And how long have you had it?

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I've had it ten years.

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-In a cupboard somewhere?

-In a drawer, yes.

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Well, a little piece like that

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I think would do jolly well at auction.

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Not as well as a year ago,

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but still, the market is buoyant, and it's still doing well.

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-What do you think it's worth?

-I've no idea.

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Would you sell it for £50?

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-No.

-How about 100?

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I might consider 100, yes.

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I think it should make £200-£300, something like that.

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It's the sort of piece

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that, if the Chinese start bidding online,

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and two start fighting against each other,

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it could do considerably higher.

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That's the hope. Is that all right for you?

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-Yes, that's fine.

-Well, let's take it along.

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I'm sure it will do well

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and it wouldn't surprise me if it made a bit more than my estimate.

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OK. Thank you.

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Well, our experts have now found in their final items

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to take off to auction.

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We've had a fantastic time here today at Herstmonceux Castle.

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-Have you enjoyed yourselves?

-Brilliant.

-It's been brilliant.

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We've all learned a lot, as well.

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We've enjoyed the historic surroundings,

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but right now our work is done here.

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We need to move straight across to the auction room

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and here's a quick recap of all the items we are taking with us.

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Jo's decanter set oozed style and sophistication.

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Will it get the bids pouring in?

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Pat's ring is sure to do well in the auction -

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if we can get it away from Catherine!

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And will the buyers go batty for Jeanette's Chinese wall plaque?

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Fingers crossed.

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Back at the saleroom in Rye,

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auctioneer Kevin Wall is still on the rostrum and still going strong,

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working his way through the lots.

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Going under the hammer right now,

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we've got that wonderful decanter box dated 1850.

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I really like this.

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I spotted it at the valuation day.

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James beat me to the valuation, because I wanted to do that one.

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Why do you want to sell this?

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It's been sitting wrapped up in the wardrobe.

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Aww. Well, at least it's been looked after.

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-It's been out of the sunlight.

-Well, yes...

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I know there's a tiny bit of damage, but you can forgive it for that.

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-There's something about it.

-It's a shame.

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You open it up and go, "Oh, this is history."

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-Yes.

-What a way to live.

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Can you imagine owning that back in 1850?

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-Imagine who handled it.

-Yes!

-That's what I think of.

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Right, well, we can't debate this any more.

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Obviously we want it to go for as much as possible.

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Right now it's down to the bidders out there.

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Let's get it under the hammer.

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Lot 85 is a Georgian mahogany box with strong decanter set.

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And I started at 75.

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At 75, do I see 80 now?

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At 75, do I see 80 here?

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At 75, are we all done?

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-And finished at 75.

-I'm shocked.

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That's not sold, I'm afraid.

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I had a feeling it wouldn't.

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It was worth so much more than £200!

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It can go back in the bottom of the wardrobe.

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It was lovely to be here, it really was lovely to be here.

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Well, we genuinely loved it, didn't we?

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But the bidders didn't.

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That's such a shame, but that's the thrill of the auction room.

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Let's hope we have a good result with the aquamarine ring.

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Right, we've just been joined by Pat and Catherine.

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Going under the hammer right now, the aquamarine ring,

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popular in the 1920s and '30s.

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I like this. I don't know if it's fashionable today,

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-but I know you did wear it a bit, didn't you?

-Oh, yes, yes, I wore it.

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It was my mother-in-law's, yes.

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We've got phones ringing all over the place.

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Hopefully ringing the auction house to buy this ring.

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We don't know. But look, good luck with it.

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I know you want to sell it. You don't want to wear it any more,

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-do you?

-No, no.

-And no-one in the family wants it?

-No, no.

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It's a beautiful colour and, hopefully... And it looks great,

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it does look the business, doesn't it?

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So fingers crossed we will sell well.

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-You never know your luck.

-You just don't know in an auction, do you?

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Anything can happen, as you know.

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We putting it to the test right now.

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What's it worth? We are going to find out.

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Lot 340 is a 14-carat white gold ring

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set with emerald-cut aquamarines.

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I started at 220, 220.

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Do I see 230 now?

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Rather a nice big ring now.

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230, 240, 250,

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260, 270,

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280, I've got.

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290.

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-Come on, we are there, aren't we?

-Almost.

-Almost.

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-Come on, one more.

-280 here.

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At 280. 290.

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Sell, if there is no more bids at 290,

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at £290, are we all done?

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At £290...

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We just got it away, didn't we? Only just.

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-You didn't want to take it home, did you?

-No.

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-Have you got a sore throat?

-I've got a bad sore throat.

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I got so excited, shouting and jumping up and down.

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We've had some great results today. It's been a brilliant auction.

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Well, we'd better quickly move on to our next lot,

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because I don't want to risk losing my voice now.

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Right now, a touch of the Orient comes to the south coast.

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I've just been joined by Jeannette. Good to see you again.

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And we've got our expert James who I know is feeling really excited.

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We've got £200-£300 on this Chinese plaque

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but this is an auction. Anything can happen, so stay with us right now.

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This is getting really, really exciting.

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-This has been in the family a long time, hasn't it?

-Yes, it has.

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Why have you decided to sell it now?

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Because we don't need it, and it's just been in a drawer.

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-OK. Well, this is exciting. Ready for this?

-Yes.

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Let's put it under the hammer.

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Right, lot number 10 is a 19th-century

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Chinese circular porcelain wall plaque

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and I can start it at...

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We'll get rid of my little commissions first, shall we?

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200, 250, 350, 450,

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500, 550, 600, 650,

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700, 750, 800. 800 here.

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850 on this one. At 850.

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-900.

-This is fantastic, isn't it?

-It's unbelievable, isn't it?

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1,000. 1,500?

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2,000?

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£2,000!

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And they are not going to let go.

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2,500?

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I'm starting to tingle.

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-I'm really starting to tingle. Are you?

-Yes!

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3,000.

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3,500.

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4,000.

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-Wow!

-4,500.

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At 5,000 on the telephone here now.

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At £5,000.

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The internet is out. All the other phone lines are out.

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It's still on this phone line.

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At £5,000, all done.

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Yes! Well done.

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Wow. What a result!

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-Well done. I'm so pleased for you.

-Thank you so much.

-Well done.

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200-300?

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You know, it was just an everyday come-and-buy-me estimate.

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-I knew it all along.

-That got everyone excited.

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That's auctions for you.

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The money is going to charity?

0:42:560:42:58

-Yes.

-All of it? Are you going to treat yourself?

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No, it's all going to the air ambulance.

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You are a real star.

0:43:020:43:03

-Brilliant. Well done.

-I hope you enjoyed that.

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What a great end to today's show.

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It doesn't get much better than that, does it?

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Join us again in another saleroom soon.

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I'm so excited I've lost my voice. But we'll see you again. Cheerio.

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