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I'm in the oldest part of this bustling Gloucestershire town.

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There's been a market in this area from around the 1500s.

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Today, it's still named after the buildings that stored the meat - The Shambles.

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Welcome to Flog It! from Stroud.

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Today, The Shambles forms the centre of Stroud.

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It provides a wonderful meeting place

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for artists and Bohemian types alike,

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who hang out in the many art galleries, cafes and bookshops.

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And hoping to be inspired and get their creative juices flowing,

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are today's experts Kate Bliss and James Lewis,

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who are already working the crowd here at today's venue, the Subscription Rooms.

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Later on in the show, I'll find out what part these girls played

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in Edward Jenner's plans to end smallpox.

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Right now it's back to business at Stroud Subscription Rooms.

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This grand building is no stranger to crowds,

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built for leisure and entertainment.

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It's still doing so after 150 years.

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So, as people take their seats, let's head over to Kate,

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who's already entertaining the idea of taking something special to auction.

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This is a rather splendid teapot, isn't it?

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-It's very interesting. It's been in my eyesight for many years.

-Has it?

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One of my first memories, as a young child,

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polishing the silver, and this was one of the items.

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It particularly appealed to me

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because of the signs of the Zodiac all round the circumference.

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As a child, did you recognise those as the signs of the Zodiac?

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-I recognise them as being animals - mystical animals.

-Yes.

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And it's probably pushed me in a direction

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of being interested in natural history - animals, plants.

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-Right. So, this had quite a bearing on your interests as a boy.

-It has, really.

-And your life really.

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It has really because I've looked at these on many occasions

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and realise they're not animals which you'd find in nature

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but they are animals which have some mystical value.

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If you go through them, here we are.

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We have the fish for Pisces.

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We have the lion for Leo.

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-That is so.

-We have the scorpion there for Scorpio.

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And they are indeed the signs of the Zodiac.

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The date letter, that letter F, is for 1876.

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So, why the signs of the Zodiac?

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-The Victorians were people of very strict morals.

-That's right.

-very God-fearing really.

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You see, the Victorians also loved the exotic.

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They loved the magical and the mystical.

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-They loved fairies and goblins.

-I can understand.

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The signs of the Zodiac work into that very well.

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Of course, there was a whole following of reading tea leaves - something a little bit exciting.

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Oh yes, I remember as a child,

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all my aunts and uncles looking at the bottom of a tea cup.

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I think that goes rather well with the signs of the Zodiac here.

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It ties into that mystical way of thinking

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and gives it almost a sort of magical purpose, if you like.

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As you pour out your tea, you're also pouring out

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the threads of the life, which may or may not be able to be read.

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-What a fun thing!

-Indeed, yes.

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I'd like to say, conservatively at auction,

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we would certainly be looking at £100 to £150 if you want to sell.

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I'm sure it will pull in interest from far afield.

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-If it could go to someone who's a collector and can enjoy it, so much the better.

-Ah, excellent!

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Richard, you obviously are

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a passionate collector

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and you know as much about this as I do, probably.

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Go for it. Tell me about what you do and buy and what you love.

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I collect a certain piece of porcelain - period of porcelain,

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and then after a few years, once I've had my enjoyment out of it,

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I sell it on and go on to a different era,

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continental porcelain or English and just vary it,

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and try to learn about it then sell it on again.

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So, how many bits of this have you got?

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-When I was at my peak, I probably had close to 80 pieces.

-Of Worcester?

-Yeah, 80 pieces.

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18th century Worcester. How old are you?

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23.

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I've been dealing in porcelain for about six years.

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So, since you were 17.

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While your mates were doing their newspaper rounds, you're dealing in porcelain.

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Getting round boot sales to find the old bargain.

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We're looking at two pieces here that are both Worcester,

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both fairly local, and all made around 1770 to 1780.

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That is the mark we always associate with Worcester of this period - the crescent mark.

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And, er, fence pattern.

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Do you know about the Chinese fences, the reason they're twisted?

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-No. Enlighten me.

-OK. In China if you're being chased by an evil spirit,

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the only way you can get away from an evil spirit is to run across a zigzag bridge.

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Evil spirits can only run in straight lines. Did you know that?

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-No, I didn't.

-You've learnt that as well.

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But that's the reason why they're in a zigzag.

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It's good luck and it's to protect them against evil spirits.

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With all this knowledge, are you an auctioneer?

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Do you want to be an auctioneer? What do you want to do?

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At the moment, I just try and live and be happy.

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At the moment, I'm currently playing poker for a living.

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Poker! Right. OK.

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When I win a lot, I'll invest a third or a half of it into porcelain.

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I know it's not going to devalue.

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If I ever need the money for any reason, I've got it there.

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-What did you pay for them, do you remember?

-Not a great deal.

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-About £60 to £70 for the two of them.

-For the two?

-Yeah.

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I think you've done well. If you don't make a profit out of that,

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there's something seriously wrong.

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If they were mine, I'd want to see them put into two different lots,

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so the coffee cup and saucer, an estimate of £40 to £60,

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and the tea bowl and saucer, £40 to £60 as well.

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They've got minor little nicks out of them but very, very minor.

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So, 80 to 120 for the two, should show at least the £30 to £40 profit for you.

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What'll you put the money towards?

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It will probably go to my Chinese collection, which I'm building.

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I think the Chinese market, at the moment,

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is the most buoyant out of anything.

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-Let's and see how we do.

-All right, great.

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Stephen, a fine pair of oils.

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I want to know all about them.

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Well, I've owned these oils for about two years, Paul.

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They came into my possession when my mum downsized -

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moved to live with my sister in Ireland.

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I was going to say, this is not a Stroud accent.

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-No, that's right.

-What part of Ireland?

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I lived originally in the north of Ireland, Paul.

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That's where these came from.

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I can't attribute them to anybody at the moment.

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Looking at them stylistically, it's loose, it's impressionistic.

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It's almost like the Newlyn School - the late 1880s.

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You've got artists like Stanhope Forbes,

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painting sort of our vernacular history

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with localised clothing, very much like the fishermen's wives.

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Hopefully, this is a young girl from Northern Ireland with traditional Irish linen.

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I need to do a little bit of research on this.

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You didn't paint the frames, did you?

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My late father did to match his decor, I'm afraid,

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-which may not have been a good decision.

-Would they have been an ebonised, sort of black?

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I believe they were black originally, Paul.

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You can't blame your dad, can you?

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It probably seemed like a good idea at the time.

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It doesn't matter about the frames. They can be sorted out. They can be reframed and reglazed.

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The problem is, there should have been a mount, separating the oil from the glass.

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If I show you, I'm taking the weight of the picture underneath the frame.

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If I just release my fingers from the back, watch!

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-Oh, yes!

-Can you see?

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It's starting to stick on the glass.

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Not just there but if I move up there, there, there, there.

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-All over.

-So there's some damage really, Paul.

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There's a lot of damage on both of them.

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I think she's got the look.

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-It's a shame. This one's more damaged than that one.

-Yes.

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-Because it's probably the more attractive painting, isn't it?

-Yes.

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-If ever you're trying to sell an oil painting or a watercolour, the best subject is always a woman.

-Right.

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Because when you look up at the wall you want a smile on your face.

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You want to enjoy what you're looking at.

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Obviously, a beautiful woman

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is better to look at than

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-a young lad like this with a rather sort of remorse face.

-Yes.

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If they were in good condition,

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-you'd be looking at £400 to £600 for the pair.

-Right.

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They are in poor condition, they need money spending on them.

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It's going to cost a couple of hundred pounds.

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-Right.

-Therefore, I think, if we put these into auction,

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we're going to ask around £200 to £300.

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-OK. That's fine.

-For the pair. Your mum obviously liked them.

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-She's kept them a long time.

-She did. She'll really enjoy seeing them on TV.

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-What's her name?

-Betty.

-Betty?

-Yes.

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-Let's hope we make Betty's day.

-Thanks very much.

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Now, these rooms where we are today are quite important in the history of your family, aren't they?

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-Yes, they are. My grandfather and grandmother met here at a dance.

-Did they really?

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They then eloped to Reading and now I've come back to live in Stroud area.

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-And it all started here?

-It started here. Yes

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Tell me about this lovely snuff box that you've brought in today.

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It always sat on my parent's chest of drawers in the bedroom,

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and they kept little knick-knacks, I can't remember exactly the contents,

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but it was never snuff, I know that.

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-Right.

-And I inherited it and it was sitting on my chest of drawers.

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And we thought, well, what can we bring to flog and my wife picked it up and said, "What about this?"

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-And so we did.

-I think it's a charming little box, I have to say.

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If we take a look more closely,

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the lid fits very neatly on and it is, of course, made of paper mache.

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Rather beautifully pressed with this sort of ribbed border here,

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on the outside, to frame the painted subject in the centre.

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It's a very well-known subject, of course,

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the portrait of the woodcutter or the woodman.

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There he is, smoking his pipe of tobacco.

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This one dates from the late 19th century, I would say it's Victorian.

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The history of snuff goes right back to Elizabethan times

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and was a very popular thing to snort and chew in the 18th century,

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and was only phased out really by tobacco in the 19th century.

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It's beautifully painted in a very sort of primitive style, if you like.

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And a very collectible object.

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Is it a print or a painting?

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-It is a painting.

-Oh!

-It is a painting, yes.

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So, what sort of value would you put on it?

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We didn't think it was worth anything. We thought we'd bring something down to Flog It.

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-You didn't have high hopes.

-No, we've not got high hopes.

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If it pays for the car park we'll be happy.

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Well, I think it might just pay for the car park.

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I would put an auction estimate of anything from £60 to 100.

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Oh, I see, good Lord! I'm amazed.

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You might find a collector who falls in love with that.

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-Yes. You've made my day.

-Good!

-You've made my birthday.

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-Your birthday! It's not your birthday today, is it?

-I'm afraid so, yes.

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Well, very many happy returns.

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It's a very well worth it. Thank you very much.

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Well, happy birthday, Hugh.

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And with your snuff box on board, we have our first four items heading off to auction.

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Kate was intrigued by the silver astrological teapot

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and she predicted it fetching £100 to £150.

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But will the stars foresee a windfall for Bill?

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Richard is a budding porcelain dealer.

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-What did you pay for it?

-Not a great deal. Probably about £60 for the two of them.

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For the two! If you don't make a profit out of that, there's something seriously wrong.

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So, has he got it right with these two stylish Worcester pieces?

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Hugh had low expectations for his snuff box and was so pleased with Kate's £60 to £100 valuation.

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And Steven's oils have crossed the Irish Sea from Northern Ireland.

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-You didn't paint the frames, did you?

-My late father did to match his decor, I'm afraid.

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Oh well, you can't blame your dad, can you, really?

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Despite his dad's handiwork, fingers crossed they will find fortune at auction for his mum, Betty.

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Nestling in the beautiful countryside, just outside of Cirencester,

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is today's auction room, Moore, Allen and Innocent,

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where the valuations of Kate, James and myself are going to be put to the test.

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And the man wielding the gavel is auctioneer, Billy Pullwood.

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I haven't got a day job. I'm just an auctioneer. 180 now.

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Time for tea, according to Bill, because he's selling his silver teapot. We got £100 to £150 on this.

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Why have you decided to sell?

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Well, we don't use it and, as a young child,

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-I used to have the job of polishing it.

-Oh!

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And I think now, my wife has polished it enough.

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It's a good job she hasn't polished it too much so it's worn.

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It's still in lovely condition.

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Silver is up in value. People are investing in precious metal.

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Hopefully they're going to do it, right here, right now. It's going under the hammer.

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-I only wish it was gold.

-Oh, yes!

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You can't have everything.

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Lot number 244.

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It's a nice little teapot.

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Glasgow, 1876, with the signs of the Zodiac.

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And I can start you here at £100.

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At 100, I have for it.

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Sold straight away.

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-Right on the reserve.

-110. 120. 130.

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140. 150. 160.

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170. The book's out at 170. 180 now.

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At 180 on my right now. At 180.

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190 anywhere? At £180.

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All sure then at £180?

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It's gone, Bill.

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Top end of the estimate

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and a little bit more.

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-No more cups of tea.

-No more cups of tea!

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Not many people use a pot any more anyway, not even a china one.

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I do. I love my teapot.

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I've just been joined by Richard and I think you're going to see him, in future,

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on your TV sets as one of our experts, at least on the Antiques Roadshow.

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You really do know your porcelain, your Royal Worcester.

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And believe it or not, you're selling these items,

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which I've now split into two lots, because you want to invest into...

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-Chinese, oriental porcelain.

-Yep.

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-That's a minefield, isn't it?

-It is, yeah.

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Three days ago, I was in Hong Kong. There's a road called Hollywood Road.

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They have all the fine, Chinese porcelain. It is a minefield.

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A little birdie said you weren't on porcelain research,

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you were there for the Rugby Sevens.

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I was there for the Rugby Sevens, absolutely.

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Rugby's my main passion, antiques come somewhere behind!

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Good luck to both of you.

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Here we go. It's going under the hammer now. First lot.

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And lot number 120

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is the Worcester blue and white coffee cup and saucer.

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Fence pattern there. I can start you on the book here at £30.

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-At 30, I have. At £30.

-40?

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5 anywhere? At £30.

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Nice piece of Worcester. At 35. 40.

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5. 50. 5. 60.

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-This is good.

-With me here, at 60.

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5 anywhere now? At £60.

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Are you all sure?

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-Great.

-Good result.

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£60 for the first lot.

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Here's the second.

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Lot 130 is the Worcester blue and white tea bowl,

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the fence pattern one again.

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I can start you here on the book at 35.

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At £35 I have for it.

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40 now. At £35. 40 anywhere?

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At 35. 40. 5.

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50. 5. At 55. With me now, 60 now.

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At £55. 60 anywhere now then?

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At 55. Are you all sure?

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It's selling here at £55.

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The hammer's gone down. Brilliant.

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£55. Great valuation, James. You've got to be happy.

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Yeah, I'm pleased, that's good.

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We've got £60 to £100 on your snuff box.

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I love the naive painting.

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That's what's going to sell this.

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It's such a nice thing. When you hold them they're so tactile.

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-They are, yes.

-Where have you had this in the house?

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They've been sitting on a chest of drawers.

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It was on my parents' and then on my chest of drawers.

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We just keep odds and ends in it.

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We never thought it was a snuff box.

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At least you had it on display and you've cherished it.

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That's what it's all about with little items like this.

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I love snuff boxes. Love them. Lots of history.

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It's really an area of small antiques which has kept its value, I think.

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Let's find out what the bidders in Cirencester think, shall we? It's going under the hammer.

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Lot number 274 is the papier-mache snuff box,

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decorated with the woodsman.

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There we go, the woodsman there and who'll start me?

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Should be 100 really. Start me 50?

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£30. 30 I'm bid. At £30.

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5 if you like now. At £30.

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At £30, a nice little snuff box. £30 only.

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5. 40. 5.

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50. At £50. On the book here, at 50.

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At £50. It's selling here at £50.

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At £50. 5 anywhere? At £50.

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You all sure? Selling here on the book.

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At £50. Are you all done?

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It's gone.

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It's a good little treasure, that.

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Perhaps I should have kept it.

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Next up, something for all you fine art lovers.

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It's my turn to be the expert.

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It's a pair of oil paintings, possibly Irish.

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They belong to Stephen. We've got £200 to £300 on this.

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A little bit of damage. The paint's pulling off, sticking to the glass.

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-I know Dad, bless him, touched the frames up, didn't he?

-Yes.

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With paint he found knocking around the house.

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-That's the kind of thing we do, isn't it?

-That's right.

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-Your mum will be pleased, won't she?

-She will.

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She'll be watching right now. Betty, I hope you're enjoying this moment.

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Stephen is flying the flag for you, OK.

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They're going under the hammer, right now.

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Lot number 322 is the Irish School portraits there

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of the young boy and girl.

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I can start you at 180. At 180 I have.

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That's our fixed reserve.

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190 now. At 180, 190.

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200. 220. 240. 260.

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At 260. 280 now. At 260.

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280 on the phone, if you like.

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At 280. 300. At 300. 320 to me now.

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At 300. 320 on the phone. At 320.

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340 now. At 320. It's on the phone.

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At 320. 340. In the room again, 340.

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360, if you like.

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At 340, right in front of me now.

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At £340. Are you sure? At 340.

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That's good, that's a good result.

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-There's a lot of work to do on those.

-Sure.

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That's good for you. You don't have to do it.

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That's good. I'm glad they're going to somebody that'll treasure them.

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And I hope mum's enjoyed this moment as well.

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The money's going to mum, isn't it?

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Yes, yes. We'll be making sure she's taken care of.

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Oh, bless! He's a good lad, isn't he?

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We'll be back in the auction room for more excitement later on

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but first, I'm off to the country to find out about a man

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whose discovery changed the face of medicine.

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So, why am I standing by a row of cows in Gloucestershire?

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Well, back in the 1700s, these animals gave one local man the answer

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of how to protect generations of people against one of the most horrific diseases ever - smallpox.

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In 18th century England, smallpox was one of the biggest killers.

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This incurable disease wiped out large numbers of the world's population.

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It started with flu-like symptoms, followed by a rash,

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developing into blisters

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that covered and disfigured the whole body.

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There was no effective treatment once infection had taken hold

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and the result was deafness, blindness and almost certain death.

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But it was here, at this house in Berkeley, that Edward Jenner, a humble country doctor,

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was to discover a breakthrough that could purge the world

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of this killer disease and change medical history for good.

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All he needed was the world to listen.

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To understand why Jenner took on this killer disease, we need to go back to when he was a child.

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The way to protect against smallpox back then was to infect the young

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with the smallpox virus and hope they developed immunity, if they survived.

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I caught up with Sarah Parker, the curator of the Jenner Museum,

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to find out more about this strange practice called variolation.

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What happened to Jenner and the other children when he was aged eight?

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Jenner was orphaned, sadly,

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at the age of five, and he was sent to boarding school locally in Wotton-under-Edge.

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At the age of eight, he and his other fellow pupils were

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locked in a barn and purged, bled and starved,

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in preparation for this medical procedure called variolation.

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-How long was this for?

-It was for around about two weeks.

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It was a really horrible procedure but not everybody could afford this technique.

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In actual fact, he was one of the lucky ones, believe it or not.

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-Psychologically, that's damaging for an eight year-old?

-Terrifying. He didn't have his parents.

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He was away from home.

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He was systematically given this live smallpox from somebody who

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got it in the village and then left to see whether it developed.

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Even if they had survived, they could have been blinded,

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they could have been deaf, had problems with their joints, such as arthritis.

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It really was not just a disfiguring disease, potentially fatal, but generally horrific.

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-But he was one of the lucky ones.

-He was.

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He did develop smallpox, which was the intention, but he didn't get it very badly.

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He was determined, throughout his life, to come up with a better procedure

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so that other children wouldn't have to go through this terrible experience.

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After completing his training to be a physician in London, Edward Jenner returned to this house.

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It was here that he started the bulk of his research into smallpox.

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It was in this study, after years of research, Jenner finally thought

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he'd found the answer and it lay right on his rural doorstep.

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He had observed that many of the local milkmaids often developed

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a non life-threatening disease called cowpox.

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He believed there might be some truth in the folklore that cowpox provides some immunity to smallpox.

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On 14th May, 1796, Jenner put his theory to the ultimate test.

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He infected eight-year-old James Phipps with cowpox and then gave him a dose of smallpox.

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The result was, it produced no effect.

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Phipps was successfully inoculated.

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Jenner knew he was on to something.

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Jenner followed up this experiment with many others, which confirmed

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his theory, that cowpox did indeed protect against smallpox.

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This was the beginning of vaccination.

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So we've got a vaccination against the disease.

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Why didn't people start to use it?

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Well, it's like most things.

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People were resistant to change, as they are today.

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Edward Jenner strived for 25 years before he actually came up with

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his theory and his vaccination experiment.

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Variolation, which was the established medical procedure at the time in this country,

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was a very lucrative

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and also very established procedure. The medical establishment -

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the medical elite particularly - were definitely not willing to change.

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They weren't particularly receptive to Jenner and his ideas.

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He must have been so frustrated.

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He was extremely frustrated, yes.

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He was a man who just was trying to make a better medical procedure for everybody.

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He wasn't trying to make money out of it.

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Therefore, trying to get his ideas across against a huge backlash of opinion.

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Many people thought that if you were to give somebody an animal derived substance like cowpox,

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you would grow horns and udders and other cow-like features, which sounds ridiculous today.

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Other people thought that, well, maybe you'd die of another disease.

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There would be a population explosion and mass starvation.

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The church weren't particularly happy for it to happen.

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Everybody was against it. How did he make that break?

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-He obviously needed somebody to champion this.

-That's right. Yes.

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Luckily, he also had a house in Cheltenham which, it was a spa town. It was the 18th century.

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-Lots of the elite were there.

-Exactly. Because he was a doctor,

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he met lots of influential people, who became his friends.

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Not least the 5th Earl of Berkeley, at Berkeley Castle.

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If it wasn't for his friends, the aristocratic lords and ladies of the day,

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he perhaps would never have got his idea off the ground. They really championed him.

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Strong support was all Jenner needed for his reputation to be sealed worldwide.

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He had succeeded against all the opposition.

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In 1853, vaccination with the cowpox virus was made compulsory in this country.

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While Jenner's ground-breaking discovery saved millions of lives,

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the disease ravaged the poorer communities throughout the world, with 50 million new cases each year.

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It wasn't until 1967 that the World Health Organisation instigated a mass vaccination programme.

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In 1980, this disease was finally declared dead.

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It still remains the only disease to be eradicated from the world in

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its entirety, thanks largely to the pioneering work of Edward Jenner.

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Despite Jenner's new found fame, he remained working here as a country doctor in Berkeley.

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He used this small summerhouse, at the bottom of his back garden, to give free vaccinations to the poor.

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It was his way of giving something back to the community that inspired him.

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And now it's time to get back to the Subscription Rooms in Stroud

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and find the next three items to take off to auction.

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I think we may have got one.

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Glynn, what a fabulous, impressive tureen that is. Tell me about it.

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Basically, I came by it in the mid-'60s.

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I bought it at a contents auction.

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I paid £40 for it.

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I got rather carried away.

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-In the mid-'60s.

-In the mid-'60s.

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-My goodness!

-It was a week's wages.

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-Was it really?

-Yes, it was. It's got no real value to us as such.

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It's just a...it's just a pot,

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filled with pills and receipts and all that sort of thing and that was about it.

0:28:330:28:37

We heard you were coming to Stroud so we thought we'd clean it up and bring it across here.

0:28:370:28:42

-It's had a polish specially.

-Yes!

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Well done. It is so neo-classical in its style.

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That urnular shape - very delicate shape - very feminine.

0:28:460:28:51

Lots of ovals. There's not a straight line there.

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That could only be maybe three or four periods in history.

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The neo-classical fashion and movement started around 1770-1780.

0:28:590:29:06

It was during those wonderful excavations at Pompeii and Herculaneum

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and they were discovering these wonderful shapes that were around 2,000 years earlier.

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Any time you see these husks, swags and festoons - these little

0:29:150:29:19

oval roundels, known as patera, tied with ribbons at the top.

0:29:190:29:23

That's a classic, classic piece of design from this period.

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What you would often have in the 18th century was,

0:29:270:29:30

services like this in silver and silver plate, actually copying the interior of the dining room.

0:29:300:29:35

The decorations and the swags on the walls would be on the ceiling,

0:29:350:29:39

on the walls, on the carpet, and then again on the silver service they'd be serving the food from.

0:29:390:29:44

-It would have looked fantastic out on the table.

-It certainly would.

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Now, value.

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A week's wage in the 1960s.

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I guess a week's wage today is going to be a few hundred pounds - £200, £300, £400.

0:29:530:29:59

-It's not going to make that.

-No.

-So, I'm afraid, investment-wise, it hasn't been a great one.

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But you've enjoyed it and it's been useful over the years.

0:30:040:30:07

So, I guess today, if we put that into an auction, I'd expect it to make £100 to £150.

0:30:070:30:12

-Are you happy with that?

-Yes, very happy.

-Let's take it along.

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Now, I've got a little two-year-old at home that would be rather taken with your pussycat.

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Tell me, where did you get her from?

0:30:260:30:28

Cheltenham Antiques Fair one Sunday afternoon.

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Right. Why did she catch your eye?

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Well, I used to foster cats for the Cats Protection League, so I love cats.

0:30:350:30:39

-I just thought she was rather cute, yes.

-How long ago did you buy her?

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Between five and six years ago.

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OK, so a little while ago. Can I ask what you paid for her?

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-Can you remember?

-Well, £40.

-£40, OK.

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Well, she is, of course - I'm sure you've seen the label -

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she is made by the Chiltern factory, a well-known British toy manufacturer.

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The factory was started actually in 1908 in Buckinghamshire, and

0:31:010:31:06

and the name of the factory was given to it by the Chiltern Hills in the area.

0:31:060:31:12

But, it then developed.

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At first, they only produced dolls.

0:31:140:31:16

Then the first bear was made - the first teddy bear - in 1915, known as Master Teddy.

0:31:160:31:22

From then on, it developed small, soft toys and bears.

0:31:220:31:27

But a little pussycat, or even a kitten,

0:31:270:31:30

maybe, I think. It's just a little bit different, isn't it?

0:31:300:31:34

A little bit different from your average bear.

0:31:340:31:37

I rather like her. She's got these beautiful, blue, glass eyes.

0:31:370:31:42

She's almost got a little bit of a Siamese look to her, hasn't she?

0:31:420:31:46

And, I would say, synthetic fur, rather than mohair,

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which would have been used in the '20s and '30s,

0:31:510:31:55

particularly for the teddy bears and soft toys.

0:31:550:31:58

We've just got a few little moth holes there, rather like the silk.

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Otherwise, she's in very good order.

0:32:020:32:05

She's got that almost startled look that kittens have, which I think is quite charming.

0:32:050:32:10

So, you paid £40.

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I would say, at auction today, that's probably about fair.

0:32:140:32:18

The thing about an auction is that you never know,

0:32:180:32:22

if two people rather like her, it can push the price up.

0:32:220:32:26

So, my estimate would be £40 to £60.

0:32:260:32:29

We could put a £40 reserve on it, if that's all right with you.

0:32:290:32:33

-That's fine, yes.

-Is that OK?

0:32:330:32:34

-That's fine, Kate.

-Why do you want to sell her now?

0:32:340:32:37

She's wrapped up in some bubble-wrap in an airtight container because I don't want her to deteriorate.

0:32:370:32:43

I think, "Well, that's a shame."

0:32:430:32:45

What about the grandchildren, won't they like her?

0:32:450:32:48

I think they prefer the more modern cuddly toys, really.

0:32:480:32:52

That's the thing about antique toys, if you like. Not that she is quite antique but...

0:32:520:32:57

I think some of them are a bit scary - the older ones.

0:32:570:32:59

That's quite sweet. In a way I shall be sorry.

0:32:590:33:03

I think, today, of course, we get worried,

0:33:030:33:05

well, I certainly do, with my children, about glass eyes, when you give it to a little one,

0:33:050:33:10

-all the safety precautions you have to have these days, which they didn't have then.

-No.

0:33:100:33:14

-Nevertheless, I think she's super and I'm sure we can find her a good home.

-OK, thanks.

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Miriam, for me, a day at Flog It wouldn't be a good day without seeing a tea caddy.

0:33:260:33:31

I love them. I collect them.

0:33:310:33:33

About six years ago, I started writing a book on them

0:33:330:33:36

-and I'm still nowhere even near finished.

-Really?!

0:33:360:33:39

One of the things I love about a caddy like this is you can tell

0:33:390:33:42

it's never been through the hands of the trade.

0:33:420:33:45

It's never been repolished, it's never been recleaned, it's never been altered.

0:33:450:33:49

It was inherited from my father.

0:33:490:33:54

He died about seven years ago.

0:33:540:33:56

And he probably had it from his second wife, whose name

0:33:560:34:00

was Wakefield, because I've found a W on the escutcheon there on the front.

0:34:000:34:07

-Oh, yeah.

-So,

0:34:070:34:08

I suspect with the W that it probably came from my stepmother's family

0:34:080:34:14

rather than from my own.

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It's a piece that dates back quite a long way.

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-So, 1800, 1805, somewhere around there.

-Quite early then, yes.

0:34:190:34:25

It is. 200 years old.

0:34:250:34:27

If we look inside, here we've got one compartment for green tea, one compartment for black tea.

0:34:270:34:32

And, if we just open that...

0:34:320:34:36

That hasn't been used for tea for a long time, has it?

0:34:360:34:40

No. I've never used it for tea and I don't think my father did, either.

0:34:400:34:44

When this was made 200 years ago, you wouldn't drink tea just at

0:34:440:34:48

the table, out of a mug, it would be fine porcelain.

0:34:480:34:51

The servant would bring the tea caddy to the lady of the house, who would unlock it,

0:34:510:34:56

blend the tea, lock the tea caddy away again and it would go back.

0:34:560:35:00

The whole tea ceremony would be at a table, known as a tea table, especially for tea drinking.

0:35:000:35:06

The whole thing was all about the tea.

0:35:060:35:09

Of course, if you've been a Flog It watcher, you will know that tea

0:35:090:35:13

in the Georgian period is actually more expensive per gram than gold.

0:35:130:35:17

-Really?!

-It was incredibly expensive.

0:35:170:35:21

This sort of caddy, being tortoiseshell, it's had a few problems.

0:35:210:35:25

Probably only one problem really, in its lifetime.

0:35:250:35:28

It seems to have been dropped on this corner.

0:35:280:35:33

And tortoiseshell collectors are very bothered about the panels and the condition of the panel.

0:35:330:35:38

I'm very glad to say that you can't buy tortoiseshell today, it's totally illegal.

0:35:380:35:43

And, whatever this is repaired with,

0:35:430:35:46

will be what we call a breakers piece,

0:35:460:35:49

something that is like this but not in such good condition.

0:35:490:35:52

So, if they've got another tea caddy with a back panel that is good,

0:35:520:35:57

they will take a section out and replace that section.

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Of course it's quite an expensive job to replace.

0:36:000:36:03

If it was perfect,

0:36:030:36:05

I think that would have a hammer price of about £1,000.

0:36:050:36:10

I think, to get it repaired and restored, is going to be say, £400.

0:36:100:36:15

If we put an auction estimate of £500 to £800,

0:36:150:36:19

put a reserve of £500 and don't let it go below that,

0:36:190:36:23

-let's hope we can celebrate with something stronger than tea.

-A very good idea.

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So, now it's time for our final trip to the auction room and here's a reminder of what we're taking.

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First, the silver plated tureen that caused Glynn to be a big spender in his youth.

0:36:340:36:40

I paid £40 for it. I got rather carried away.

0:36:400:36:43

In the mid-'60s? Oh, my goodness.

0:36:430:36:46

It was a week's wages.

0:36:460:36:47

So he needs to make the top end of James's £100-£150 estimate.

0:36:470:36:52

And Rita is very attached to that toy cat, made by the Chiltern factory.

0:36:520:36:58

It would have to be a lot more than the £40 she paid for her to part with it.

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Finally, that Regency tortoiseshell tea caddy, belonging to Miriam,

0:37:030:37:08

that James fell in love with.

0:37:080:37:09

Before the sale got under way, I caught up with auctioneer Philip Allwood,

0:37:090:37:14

to see if he was an excited about the tea caddy as we were.

0:37:140:37:17

I like this a lot - Miriam's tea caddy. Regency, tortoiseshell, as you know.

0:37:190:37:24

£500 to £800 put on by James Lewis.

0:37:240:37:26

-He is a bit of a tea caddy fanatic. Collects them, I believe.

-Does he?

0:37:260:37:30

Yeah, and it's been in the family quite a long time.

0:37:300:37:33

She's had it seven years. Her father gave it to her.

0:37:330:37:36

I wouldn't disagree with anything regarding the attribution or the value.

0:37:360:37:41

Good looking example, fairly standard.

0:37:410:37:45

Just a couple of things that are wrong with it - a little chip on the ivory there.

0:37:450:37:50

It can be sorted out though.

0:37:500:37:52

Exactly! Nothing disastrous.

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But, a good-looking piece in good colour.

0:37:540:37:56

I see no problem getting that sort of money.

0:37:560:37:59

I'd like to see this do the top end of the estimate and a little bit more. It's all down to you.

0:37:590:38:05

It'll be fine.

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Well, we'll soon find out but first, Glynn is hoping to say goodbye to his tureen.

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I wish it was silver but it's not solid silver.

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That's why we've got a value of £100 to £150. And it's Glynn's and I think this is style.

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-If it was real silver, would you be keeping it?

-Yes!

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I can see what you saw in it.

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Hopefully, there are half a dozen people who will think the same.

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Good luck. It's going under the hammer now.

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Lot 294 is the silver-plated vegetable tureen,

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in the Adam manner.

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A very classy-looking piece this - good-looking piece.

0:38:380:38:41

Where are you going to be for that? I can start you at 110.

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At 110 I have.

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-A good-looking piece at 110. 120. 130. 140. 150. 160.

-It was a looker.

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170. 180. The book's out at 180.

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190 now. At £180. On my left now.

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At 180. 190 anywhere? At 180.

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Well, how about that? I knew it would sell. What a looker!

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It had everything going for it.

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I'm hoping there are lots of cat lovers in the saleroom right now.

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I've just been joined by Rita and we've got the little synthetic fur pussycat,

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hopefully with the purr-fect valuation put on by Kate.

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I know you do like the little cat and we had a reserve of £40

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but Rita has now upped it to 50.

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-Well, he's special.

-Yes, he is.

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-Yeah.

-I almost had second thoughts about it.

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I don't mind if I take it home.

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We're going to find out, aren't we? It's going under the hammer now.

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Lot number 217 is the Chilterns Hygienic Toys cat -

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the gold plush cat.

0:39:490:39:51

Nice little piece there.

0:39:510:39:54

Good condition. Where are you going to be for that? Who'll start me?

0:39:540:39:57

Start me 50. 30 to get on then.

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At 20 I'm bid only, then. At £20.

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Five if you like. £20. At five.

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At £25 for the cat. At £25. At 30.

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Five. At 35. 40 now.

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At £35. At £35. 40 anywhere?

0:40:110:40:15

At £35. Are you sure now?

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At £35. Are you all done at 35?

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He's going home, Rita.

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There's a big smile on your face.

0:40:230:40:25

I think it's ended up quite well, Kate.

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-I'm so pleased.

-It will be good if all our clients were that pleased if things didn't sell.

0:40:280:40:33

I'm really pleased.

0:40:330:40:35

-If you do want to sell it in the future...

-I don't think I will.

0:40:350:40:38

I'll put it down to a Flog It! moment.

0:40:380:40:40

Yeah. Give him a name as well.

0:40:400:40:42

-I will.

-A specialist toy sale is probably the place to get more.

0:40:420:40:46

I shan't sell it, I promise you.

0:40:460:40:48

-It means too much.

-It does now.

-Yeah, of course it does.

0:40:480:40:51

Miriam, this is definitely the best lot in the sale.

0:40:570:41:01

-It's my favourite item.

-Really?

0:41:010:41:03

Regency tea caddy. We've got £500-£800 riding on this. I had a chat to the auctioneer

0:41:030:41:07

and I said, "Come on, top end, plus a little bit more".

0:41:070:41:11

He went, "Yes". He didn't put his neck on the block.

0:41:110:41:13

So, why do you want to sell this? It's so gorgeous! Why?

0:41:130:41:18

Well, I don't know. It was a bit grubby when I first had it, actually.

0:41:180:41:21

It wasn't until just recently I cleaned it up.

0:41:210:41:24

I must say I thought it looked nicer.

0:41:240:41:27

Hopefully we'll get 800 plus.

0:41:270:41:29

800 is what I think. I'm hoping it will make 800.

0:41:290:41:31

-Really? That's good.

-Top end.

0:41:310:41:33

-Fingers crossed.

-Well, yeah.

0:41:330:41:35

-Good luck. Enjoy this moment.

-I shall.

0:41:350:41:37

We can't talk anymore. This is it.

0:41:370:41:39

Lot number 196 is the Regency tortoiseshell tea caddy.

0:41:390:41:45

-There we go. Nice little piece there.

-Good luck.

0:41:450:41:48

Thank you.

0:41:480:41:50

Good-looking piece.

0:41:500:41:52

I can start here on the book

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at £440. At 440.

0:41:550:42:01

I'll take 460, if you like now.

0:42:010:42:02

At 440. 460.

0:42:020:42:04

480.

0:42:040:42:07

500. 520.

0:42:070:42:10

540. 560.

0:42:100:42:12

580. 600.

0:42:120:42:16

At 600. 620 now. At £600.

0:42:160:42:19

620, can I say anywhere? 620.

0:42:190:42:22

640. 660. The book's out at 660.

0:42:220:42:24

At £660. 680 anywhere now? At 660.

0:42:240:42:32

-Done.

-That's OK.

0:42:320:42:34

-That's fine.

-Well, that's...

-It got over mid-estimate.

0:42:340:42:37

You've got 15% to pay on top of that so that has made £780. That's fine.

0:42:370:42:44

You've got a bit of commission to pay, the odd 15%.

0:42:440:42:48

-What are you going to put your money towards?

-Well, we're going on a holiday to...

0:42:480:42:52

We're going on a cruise up the Baltic to St Petersburg.

0:42:520:42:56

-Oh, lovely!

-I'm going to put a bit of money towards that.

0:42:560:43:02

-That was a gorgeous item.

-It was.

0:43:020:43:04

-Yeah.

-Lovely! My favourite thing.

0:43:040:43:06

Well, that's it. It's all over for our owners but the auction's still going -

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it's going on outside.

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What a cracking day we've had here. Our experts are on the money.

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Phillip Allwood did us proud - a great auctioneer.

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All I can say is, I can't wait to come back.

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So, until the next time, it's cheerio.

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