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# Just one more year then you'll be happy... # | 0:00:29 | 0:00:32 | |
Gerry Rafferty's Baker Street is one of the most instantly recognisable and most enduring pop songs ever. | 0:00:32 | 0:00:39 | |
MUSIC: "Baker Street" by Gerry Rafferty | 0:00:41 | 0:00:43 | |
It's just SO epic. It's so epic. | 0:00:48 | 0:00:52 | |
I thought, this is amazing, it's Gerry Rafferty. This is extraordinary. This is Scottish! | 0:00:52 | 0:00:56 | |
It's an astonishing record and sonically, an amazing piece of work. | 0:00:56 | 0:01:00 | |
When the intro comes in, it sucks you in. It's like you're going through a dark tunnel | 0:01:03 | 0:01:07 | |
with nice lights flashing, | 0:01:07 | 0:01:10 | |
then you get to the end of the tunnel and the doors open | 0:01:10 | 0:01:14 | |
and all the lights come on and it's duh-dan-nuh-duh-nuh-nuh and you've gone to Hollywood. | 0:01:14 | 0:01:18 | |
SAXOPHONE RIFF | 0:01:18 | 0:01:20 | |
# Windin' your way down on Baker Street | 0:01:35 | 0:01:37 | |
# Light in your head and dead on your feet | 0:01:39 | 0:01:42 | |
# Well, another crazy day | 0:01:42 | 0:01:44 | |
# You'll drink the night away | 0:01:44 | 0:01:46 | |
# And forget about everything... # | 0:01:46 | 0:01:50 | |
Then he sings this story, and the sax riff comes and hits you again, | 0:01:50 | 0:01:55 | |
and then it comes to another bit, where it goes to space | 0:01:55 | 0:01:58 | |
and Hugh Burns is going eeer-eeer-eeer on his guitar. | 0:01:58 | 0:02:02 | |
GUITAR RIFF | 0:02:02 | 0:02:05 | |
I guess you'd call them organic sounds, animal sounds, seagull sounds, anything like that. | 0:02:11 | 0:02:17 | |
I wasn't sure what to play. He played me the track a few times, | 0:02:17 | 0:02:21 | |
after a few takes. That's what came out. | 0:02:21 | 0:02:24 | |
So it was a lucky day for me. | 0:02:24 | 0:02:27 | |
CYMBALS CRASH | 0:02:29 | 0:02:30 | |
The myth that prevailed was the saxophone player actually wrote | 0:02:34 | 0:02:37 | |
the line and was not given the full credit. | 0:02:37 | 0:02:42 | |
I bet you anything you like Gerry wrote every note of that solo. | 0:02:42 | 0:02:46 | |
That's what he was like. | 0:02:46 | 0:02:48 | |
It was early demos when he'd play that on electric guitar himself. | 0:02:48 | 0:02:54 | |
In 1978, Baker Street was a smash hit on both sides of the Atlantic, | 0:02:59 | 0:03:05 | |
clocking up five million radio plays in the US to date. | 0:03:05 | 0:03:08 | |
Gerry became the voice incarnate of FM radio in America. | 0:03:10 | 0:03:15 | |
I remember driving from Los Angeles to Las Vegas | 0:03:15 | 0:03:19 | |
and every channel you hopped from, there was Gerry Rafferty. | 0:03:19 | 0:03:23 | |
It was extraordinary. | 0:03:23 | 0:03:24 | |
But the spectacular scale of this success wasn't something Gerry, | 0:03:24 | 0:03:27 | |
a deeply private man, readily embraced. | 0:03:27 | 0:03:32 | |
His diffidence is evident in this rare public appearance, | 0:03:32 | 0:03:35 | |
picking up the award for the Best Single of 1978 at the British Rock and Pop Awards. | 0:03:35 | 0:03:41 | |
-Congratulations, Gerry. -Thanks a lot. -How do you feel at this moment? -Absolutely wonderful. | 0:03:43 | 0:03:48 | |
Terrific. | 0:03:50 | 0:03:51 | |
Congratulations. | 0:03:51 | 0:03:52 | |
OK. | 0:03:55 | 0:03:56 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:03:56 | 0:03:57 | |
Gerry Rafferty died at the beginning of 2011, at the age of 63. | 0:04:04 | 0:04:09 | |
Mourners at his funeral in Paisley included Scotland's First Minister, | 0:04:09 | 0:04:14 | |
old friends, and fans from as far away as New York. | 0:04:14 | 0:04:18 | |
His daughter, Martha, and her cousins, performed one of his songs | 0:04:18 | 0:04:23 | |
in a family tradition of singing in harmony. | 0:04:23 | 0:04:27 | |
# Whatevers written in your heart, that's all that matters | 0:04:27 | 0:04:33 | |
# Youll find a way to say it all someday, yeah. # | 0:04:35 | 0:04:42 | |
Rafferty's life is written in the words and music of his songs. | 0:04:46 | 0:04:50 | |
Family Tree recalls a childhood with music at its heart. | 0:04:50 | 0:04:55 | |
# We could feel the harmonies | 0:04:58 | 0:05:03 | |
# You'd sit there waiting in the wings | 0:05:03 | 0:05:09 | |
# How long have you been waiting? | 0:05:09 | 0:05:12 | |
# Let your light shine | 0:05:12 | 0:05:17 | |
# Many years have gone since then... # | 0:05:17 | 0:05:21 | |
Gerry was the youngest son of a Paisley working-class Catholic family. | 0:05:21 | 0:05:25 | |
His older brothers, Joe and Jim, were both keen on singing. | 0:05:25 | 0:05:30 | |
When I was small, we were singing at parties, | 0:05:30 | 0:05:33 | |
myself and my two brothers and all the family and relatives. | 0:05:33 | 0:05:37 | |
I was aware that my elder brother, Joe, | 0:05:37 | 0:05:39 | |
would occasionally be singing a different tune from me. | 0:05:39 | 0:05:43 | |
And I was really intrigued by this. | 0:05:43 | 0:05:45 | |
I said to him, "You know when we were singing a few moments ago, | 0:05:45 | 0:05:50 | |
"what is that a thing that you do, when I'm singing, | 0:05:50 | 0:05:53 | |
"and you sing a different tune?" | 0:05:53 | 0:05:55 | |
He said, "Oh, it's called harmonising." | 0:05:55 | 0:05:58 | |
# I can see it in you, you can see it in me... # | 0:05:58 | 0:06:05 | |
Within a year or two, I could sing second and third part harmonies | 0:06:05 | 0:06:08 | |
and it was just an amazing, magical, magical world opening up. | 0:06:08 | 0:06:15 | |
# To bring out our memories... # | 0:06:15 | 0:06:19 | |
That song is about | 0:06:20 | 0:06:21 | |
the idea of the family coming together, | 0:06:21 | 0:06:24 | |
which is very much part of an Irish, traditional thing, | 0:06:24 | 0:06:28 | |
families would come together and they would sing, | 0:06:28 | 0:06:31 | |
before they had TV and the Internet. And that's what they did, the Raffertys. | 0:06:31 | 0:06:37 | |
# When we were young, we used to sing... # | 0:06:37 | 0:06:41 | |
My father was tone-deaf. | 0:06:46 | 0:06:47 | |
He was actually physically deaf, as well, | 0:06:47 | 0:06:50 | |
because he had punctured his eardrum, working as a coalminer. | 0:06:50 | 0:06:55 | |
But he used to tap his foot. | 0:06:55 | 0:06:56 | |
He would try to get into the beat. | 0:06:58 | 0:07:00 | |
He would say, "Play something with a bit of swing, son." | 0:07:01 | 0:07:05 | |
Was he black, your father? | 0:07:05 | 0:07:07 | |
He was one of the black Irish! | 0:07:07 | 0:07:10 | |
After leaving school, Gerry teamed up with fellow Paisley Buddy, | 0:07:22 | 0:07:26 | |
Joe Egan, in beat group, Mavericks. | 0:07:26 | 0:07:29 | |
In 1966, as The Fifth Column, they made their recording debut. | 0:07:29 | 0:07:35 | |
I don't even think we were in our 20s at that point. | 0:07:37 | 0:07:40 | |
Two of the songs we did with Columbia Records. | 0:07:40 | 0:07:44 | |
They were getting sort of groomed to be a pop band, | 0:07:45 | 0:07:49 | |
rather than an original sound. | 0:07:49 | 0:07:52 | |
They had a song called Benjamin Day, | 0:07:52 | 0:07:56 | |
which, Gerald and I collaborated on the lyrics of that. | 0:07:56 | 0:08:00 | |
# Straight from a fairytale... # | 0:08:02 | 0:08:05 | |
A certain tweeness about it. | 0:08:07 | 0:08:09 | |
I freely admit, it was kind of, | 0:08:09 | 0:08:13 | |
it was more like a... | 0:08:13 | 0:08:16 | |
Children's Favourites. | 0:08:16 | 0:08:18 | |
It was a nice tune. There was a melody to it. | 0:08:18 | 0:08:23 | |
# I still recall the stories he would tell us... # | 0:08:23 | 0:08:28 | |
And that was our main method of conversation | 0:08:29 | 0:08:32 | |
with Gerry Rafferty, was to sing with him, right? | 0:08:32 | 0:08:36 | |
He did really let people in | 0:08:36 | 0:08:39 | |
who could sing with him. | 0:08:39 | 0:08:41 | |
I think he decided then that there was a possibility of him | 0:08:41 | 0:08:45 | |
making a career out of it and began writing songs | 0:08:45 | 0:08:49 | |
with a distinct, McCartney-esque influence. | 0:08:49 | 0:08:53 | |
# But there's nobody here | 0:08:53 | 0:08:54 | |
# I rang the bell and knocked on the door | 0:08:54 | 0:08:58 | |
# She don't live here no more... # | 0:08:58 | 0:09:00 | |
The single, There's Nobody Here, was not a hit. | 0:09:00 | 0:09:03 | |
It didn't do anything, I have to say. Gerry, at that point, | 0:09:03 | 0:09:09 | |
teamed up with Billy Connolly and Tam Harvey in The Humblebums. | 0:09:09 | 0:09:13 | |
# My Dixie Darling, listen to this song I sing... # | 0:09:15 | 0:09:21 | |
We both had hair down to our arses and, sort of, buckskin jackets | 0:09:21 | 0:09:26 | |
and cowboy boots and stuff like that. | 0:09:26 | 0:09:29 | |
Billy was thrashing away at this banjo, like a man possessed. | 0:09:29 | 0:09:33 | |
Gerry came up to me after the concert and said, "God, yeah, | 0:09:33 | 0:09:38 | |
"that was funny, and I liked your stuff, blah blah blah," | 0:09:38 | 0:09:42 | |
"I'm a songwriter myself." And I thought, "Oh, God, another one!" | 0:09:42 | 0:09:46 | |
You know, you were constantly being approached by songwriters | 0:09:46 | 0:09:50 | |
in the folk scene. It was all about rain running down the window, | 0:09:50 | 0:09:53 | |
and how I miss you, you know? | 0:09:53 | 0:09:55 | |
I went up for a few beers to his house, | 0:09:55 | 0:09:56 | |
and he played the songs, and I thought, "Who is this guy kidding?" | 0:09:56 | 0:10:02 | |
He's learnt these from a record or something. He never wrote these. | 0:10:02 | 0:10:05 | |
It was like Paul McCartney coming up and saying, "I write songs, would you like to hear one?" | 0:10:05 | 0:10:10 | |
# Yesterday... # Ffff... What?! | 0:10:10 | 0:10:13 | |
# Well, hear me talking' blood and glory | 0:10:13 | 0:10:18 | |
# I'm fed up walkin'! | 0:10:18 | 0:10:22 | |
# Blood and Glory | 0:10:22 | 0:10:23 | |
# I'll tell a story... # | 0:10:23 | 0:10:26 | |
It was a symbiotic relationship. | 0:10:26 | 0:10:28 | |
They each got so much from the other, | 0:10:28 | 0:10:31 | |
and each was an absolute, er, character | 0:10:31 | 0:10:37 | |
and an individual in themselves, but together, they were great. | 0:10:37 | 0:10:40 | |
# Patrick, my painter | 0:10:43 | 0:10:45 | |
# Painter of art You will always and ever | 0:10:45 | 0:10:50 | |
Artist, John Byrne, the inspiration for this song, | 0:10:50 | 0:10:55 | |
designed the artwork for the new Humblebums album - | 0:10:55 | 0:10:58 | |
the first of many covers. | 0:10:58 | 0:11:01 | |
# We will always be with you Jock and Larry and me... # | 0:11:01 | 0:11:06 | |
I had never heard anything quite like it. | 0:11:06 | 0:11:08 | |
I look back at it and I think, they were just boys. | 0:11:08 | 0:11:11 | |
And for Scottish men, in particular, to stand up and sing | 0:11:11 | 0:11:15 | |
about deep-felt emotions like that, was difficult, | 0:11:15 | 0:11:19 | |
so, in some ways, | 0:11:19 | 0:11:20 | |
it suited him quite well to have someone behind whom he stand. | 0:11:20 | 0:11:25 | |
I was just a guy who knew tunes, knew songs, still am. | 0:11:25 | 0:11:29 | |
But he was a musician, and I'll never be one of them. | 0:11:29 | 0:11:33 | |
There were some pretty difficult gigs, a student gig or somewhere, | 0:11:33 | 0:11:38 | |
where the audience was a bit loud, and Gerry wanted just total quiet. | 0:11:38 | 0:11:43 | |
He would not make eye contact with the audience. | 0:11:43 | 0:11:46 | |
He had a cast in his eye | 0:11:46 | 0:11:50 | |
and I think it embarrassed him, | 0:11:50 | 0:11:53 | |
so he would take an eye-line away from people, | 0:11:53 | 0:11:55 | |
which people thought, | 0:11:55 | 0:11:57 | |
"That's very aloof, he's not looking at us, he's not speaking to us." | 0:11:57 | 0:12:00 | |
But I think his work, the songs, | 0:12:00 | 0:12:04 | |
if that wasn't enough for you, you shouldn't have been there. | 0:12:04 | 0:12:08 | |
He jumped off the stage once and decked somebody, | 0:12:08 | 0:12:12 | |
and we had a police escort out of Taunton. | 0:12:12 | 0:12:15 | |
But Gerry probably did more gigs with the Humblebums | 0:12:15 | 0:12:17 | |
than he did in the whole of his career after that. | 0:12:17 | 0:12:20 | |
# You know you feel so good, when she comes and greets you... # | 0:12:20 | 0:12:28 | |
Sometimes, I would do a little accompaniment, sometimes I wouldn't. | 0:12:28 | 0:12:31 | |
Sometimes I would get ready to do the accompaniment, | 0:12:31 | 0:12:34 | |
and he would say, "I'm doing this on my own." | 0:12:34 | 0:12:37 | |
My footsteps would be heard clunking off into the wings. | 0:12:37 | 0:12:41 | |
I thought that he would make me better, and he did, | 0:12:43 | 0:12:46 | |
but he got better, too, so the gap remained, of musical class. | 0:12:46 | 0:12:52 | |
But that became very painful for Billy, | 0:12:52 | 0:12:55 | |
because what tended to happen was that a lot of emphasis was put | 0:12:55 | 0:12:59 | |
on Gerry's material, and then, when Billy came to do his stuff, | 0:12:59 | 0:13:02 | |
he was almost left on his own, | 0:13:02 | 0:13:05 | |
and Gerry would almost go to the pub. | 0:13:05 | 0:13:07 | |
If you go through the albums | 0:13:07 | 0:13:09 | |
you'll find he's in all my songs, and I'm in none of his, you know? | 0:13:09 | 0:13:14 | |
Because he would go into the studio and go over my bits | 0:13:14 | 0:13:17 | |
and have me taken off, and go over them. | 0:13:17 | 0:13:19 | |
Was he right or wrong to do that? | 0:13:19 | 0:13:22 | |
I would say... | 0:13:22 | 0:13:23 | |
right. You know? | 0:13:23 | 0:13:26 | |
He was a perfectionist. | 0:13:26 | 0:13:29 | |
And perfectionists must perfect. | 0:13:30 | 0:13:33 | |
So off he went, on his perfecting way. | 0:13:33 | 0:13:36 | |
# You say that I am out of touch... | 0:13:36 | 0:13:39 | |
And so, Billy and Gerry parted musical company - | 0:13:41 | 0:13:44 | |
each having left an indelible mark on the other. | 0:13:44 | 0:13:47 | |
I saw this large figure of a man striding down Baker Street | 0:13:48 | 0:13:53 | |
with a pair of tartan trousers on, and I thought, | 0:13:53 | 0:13:55 | |
"My goodness, that's Billy Connolly!" | 0:13:55 | 0:13:58 | |
So, I went up and tapped him on the shoulder. | 0:13:58 | 0:14:00 | |
And she said, "Excuse me?" | 0:14:00 | 0:14:02 | |
And I went, "Yeah?" She said, "I'm Martha." | 0:14:02 | 0:14:05 | |
"Oh, my God", I gave her a cuddle | 0:14:05 | 0:14:07 | |
and then I saw the staggering resemblance to her dad, | 0:14:07 | 0:14:10 | |
as she was speaking to me. | 0:14:10 | 0:14:12 | |
I was looking at Billy, thinking how much he was like my dad, | 0:14:12 | 0:14:16 | |
and also, for me, it was quite poignant, | 0:14:16 | 0:14:19 | |
because he still had a lot of energy, and I could see | 0:14:19 | 0:14:21 | |
a lot of how my dad would have been if he hadn't started drinking. | 0:14:21 | 0:14:26 | |
We were both piss artists. We were both young and strong, | 0:14:26 | 0:14:30 | |
and so it didn't really affect us. It dug in later. | 0:14:30 | 0:14:34 | |
I had a meeting with him in London, about 10 years before his death. | 0:14:34 | 0:14:40 | |
And we were in Langan's restaurant, | 0:14:40 | 0:14:44 | |
and he was drinking Calvados, you know, that apple brandy? | 0:14:44 | 0:14:48 | |
He had about 10 or 12 over lunch. Big ones, you know? | 0:14:48 | 0:14:53 | |
And I thought, "Oh, God Almighty." | 0:14:53 | 0:14:56 | |
So, I had read somewhere that, with alcoholics, | 0:14:56 | 0:15:00 | |
you should tell them once and not twice. | 0:15:00 | 0:15:03 | |
Or ask them, you know? So I said, "Listen, are you OK | 0:15:03 | 0:15:08 | |
"with this drinking. Do you feel comfortable with your drinking?" | 0:15:08 | 0:15:13 | |
And he said, "Yeah, it's not a problem." I said,"OK". | 0:15:13 | 0:15:16 | |
That was all I ever said to him about drinking. | 0:15:16 | 0:15:18 | |
# Can I have my money back Money back, money back? | 0:15:18 | 0:15:22 | |
# Can I have my money back, please? | 0:15:22 | 0:15:24 | |
I don't know what you're saying... # | 0:15:24 | 0:15:26 | |
In 1971, The Humblebums were still signed to Transatlantic. | 0:15:26 | 0:15:32 | |
Gerry was given the opportunity to fulfill their contractual obligations | 0:15:32 | 0:15:37 | |
by recording a solo album, featuring collaborations with old friends, | 0:15:37 | 0:15:41 | |
including Joe Egan, Rab Noakes and John Byrne. | 0:15:41 | 0:15:50 | |
It was produced by Hugh Murphy and wryly entitled, | 0:15:45 | 0:15:50 | |
Can I Have My Money Back? | 0:15:50 | 0:15:51 | |
# Please, sir | 0:15:51 | 0:15:52 | |
# I don't hear what you're saying Don't care what you're doin' | 0:15:52 | 0:15:54 | |
# Can I have my money back Money back, money back? | 0:15:54 | 0:15:57 | |
# Can I have my money back Please, sir? # | 0:15:57 | 0:16:00 | |
During the course of recording, Can I Have My Money Back? | 0:16:00 | 0:16:04 | |
Gerry invited me to take part in the record on a song, | 0:16:04 | 0:16:08 | |
Mary Skeffington, Gerry's mother. | 0:16:08 | 0:16:10 | |
It's quite matter-of-fact, but it's not without passion, | 0:16:10 | 0:16:15 | |
it's not without love and respect. | 0:16:15 | 0:16:18 | |
# Mary Skeffington | 0:16:18 | 0:16:22 | |
# When you wake | 0:16:22 | 0:16:25 | |
# You mustn't be afraid to face another day... # | 0:16:25 | 0:16:33 | |
It was just the two of us, two voices, two guitars, | 0:16:33 | 0:16:34 | |
sitting facing each other, which is a nice way to record. | 0:16:34 | 0:16:38 | |
I did a little fingered start, he did a strum. | 0:16:38 | 0:16:40 | |
# Look back on a home where you spent the best years of your life | 0:16:43 | 0:16:49 | |
# Remember the man who asked you if you would be his wife | 0:16:52 | 0:16:56 | |
# Mary Skeffington, close your eyes | 0:16:59 | 0:17:05 | |
# And make believe that you are just a girl again... # | 0:17:05 | 0:17:12 | |
I'm glad exists like that because it is a kind of representation, | 0:17:12 | 0:17:15 | |
if you like, of what we sounded like as Stealers Wheel, | 0:17:15 | 0:17:19 | |
the performers, in the summer of 1971. | 0:17:19 | 0:17:22 | |
# You put something there | 0:17:22 | 0:17:28 | |
# Inside of me... # | 0:17:28 | 0:17:30 | |
The formation of Stealers Wheel reunited Gerry with Joe Egan. | 0:17:32 | 0:17:37 | |
The band signed to A&M Records, | 0:17:37 | 0:17:39 | |
and prepared to record their first album. | 0:17:39 | 0:17:42 | |
It was to be produced by legendary American songwriters | 0:17:42 | 0:17:45 | |
Gerry Lieber and Mike Stoller. | 0:17:45 | 0:17:48 | |
We were a bit in awe of their reputations. | 0:17:49 | 0:17:52 | |
Of course, when you're just young and just starting out | 0:17:52 | 0:17:56 | |
and all that kind of stuff but they really made us feel kind of at ease. | 0:17:56 | 0:17:59 | |
They were great to work with. | 0:17:59 | 0:18:02 | |
Of course, they're rock'n'roll royalty | 0:18:02 | 0:18:04 | |
from the time of the 1950s | 0:18:04 | 0:18:08 | |
and they gave it a cache. | 0:18:08 | 0:18:10 | |
This was 1972, | 0:18:15 | 0:18:17 | |
and Lieber and Stoller had been in the music business for 20 years, | 0:18:17 | 0:18:20 | |
writing and producing polished, big-production hits for artists | 0:18:20 | 0:18:25 | |
including Elvis, The Coasters, Peggy Lee, and The Drifters. | 0:18:25 | 0:18:30 | |
A&M had high hopes for this transatlantic musical marriage, | 0:18:30 | 0:18:33 | |
and Lieber and Stoller brought their own ideas to the production. | 0:18:33 | 0:18:38 | |
But so did Gerry. | 0:18:38 | 0:18:39 | |
I think he viewed us as, um, the enemy. | 0:18:41 | 0:18:47 | |
There was something very distasteful to him about us, | 0:18:47 | 0:18:53 | |
what we represented to him. | 0:18:53 | 0:18:55 | |
Um, crassly commercial, | 0:18:56 | 0:18:59 | |
what have you. | 0:18:59 | 0:19:01 | |
I think they met their match in Gerry and Joe, | 0:19:01 | 0:19:04 | |
because they kind of dug their heels in. | 0:19:04 | 0:19:06 | |
And I think that they wanted to do it in the way that they wanted | 0:19:06 | 0:19:09 | |
to do it, rather than the way that Lieber and Stoller wanted to do it. | 0:19:09 | 0:19:13 | |
Gerry was difficult to work with. | 0:19:13 | 0:19:16 | |
Eh...he was difficult from the get-go. | 0:19:16 | 0:19:21 | |
And the band in general drank a great deal. | 0:19:21 | 0:19:26 | |
There were cases of brown ale, | 0:19:26 | 0:19:30 | |
and there were a few cases of Scotch whisky... | 0:19:30 | 0:19:35 | |
in the studio, to keep things rolling, I guess. | 0:19:35 | 0:19:40 | |
And then, of course, pub hours, | 0:19:40 | 0:19:43 | |
everybody ran out around the corner to the Thistle. | 0:19:43 | 0:19:48 | |
Eh...God, I remember it well! | 0:19:48 | 0:19:53 | |
I spent a lot of hours there. | 0:19:53 | 0:19:56 | |
We thought that most of what Gerry and Joe were doing was... | 0:19:56 | 0:20:02 | |
the accompaniment to their songs | 0:20:02 | 0:20:04 | |
was pretty much kind of, jingy, jingy, jingy, jangy! | 0:20:04 | 0:20:10 | |
I'm not putting it down. | 0:20:14 | 0:20:15 | |
I'm just... That's what it was. | 0:20:15 | 0:20:18 | |
And we thought we could enhance that with some of our ideas. | 0:20:18 | 0:20:24 | |
Cowbell and coins between the strings of the piano, | 0:20:24 | 0:20:29 | |
which made them play totally different pitch | 0:20:29 | 0:20:33 | |
than the one that you would expect. | 0:20:33 | 0:20:36 | |
Just using some elements of that could... | 0:20:36 | 0:20:42 | |
add a flavour to it that it didn't have to begin with. | 0:20:42 | 0:20:48 | |
It took a long time. | 0:20:48 | 0:20:51 | |
But in the end, the result was a wonderful result. | 0:20:51 | 0:20:55 | |
Shortly after that I remember... | 0:20:55 | 0:20:59 | |
watching The Old Grey Whistle Test with Bob Harris. | 0:20:59 | 0:21:02 | |
He was interviewing Lieber and Stoller. And he said, | 0:21:02 | 0:21:06 | |
"And more recently you have been working with Stealers Wheel, | 0:21:06 | 0:21:11 | |
"how did that go?" | 0:21:11 | 0:21:12 | |
And they looked at one another and said, "Pass"! | 0:21:12 | 0:21:15 | |
As soon as it started to be successful, and it became a hit, | 0:21:15 | 0:21:22 | |
he lost interest in it and was suspicious of it, | 0:21:22 | 0:21:28 | |
and no longer really liked it because it was commercial. | 0:21:28 | 0:21:33 | |
The album was simply entitled Stealers Wheel, | 0:21:36 | 0:21:40 | |
and was finished in late 1972. | 0:21:40 | 0:21:42 | |
Abruptly, Gerry upped and left, leaving Joe to front the band. | 0:21:42 | 0:21:48 | |
# Woke up this mornin' Hanging out of bed | 0:21:48 | 0:21:52 | |
# Too late to go to work Walked my dog instead | 0:21:52 | 0:21:57 | |
# I don't try hard, but I get by. # | 0:21:57 | 0:22:01 | |
I still don't really know why he left, to be honest. | 0:22:03 | 0:22:05 | |
We never spoke about it. | 0:22:05 | 0:22:07 | |
He just felt that he had to do it at that particular time. | 0:22:07 | 0:22:10 | |
But it wasn't a good feeling to be left... | 0:22:10 | 0:22:13 | |
to continue to fulfil contractual engagements, | 0:22:13 | 0:22:17 | |
and all that kind of stuff that was going on then. | 0:22:17 | 0:22:20 | |
# There ain't no use In you complaining... # | 0:22:21 | 0:22:27 | |
But we got on with it and did it. | 0:22:30 | 0:22:32 | |
We did the Berry tour, and the Colin Bluntstone tour as well. | 0:22:32 | 0:22:37 | |
# I got the feeling that Something ain't right... # | 0:22:37 | 0:22:41 | |
Joe even had to mime to Gerry's lead vocals on a promotional video | 0:22:41 | 0:22:45 | |
for Stuck In The Middle With You, released as a single in spring 1973. | 0:22:45 | 0:22:50 | |
# Clowns to the left of me Jokers to the right | 0:22:50 | 0:22:53 | |
# Here I am Stuck in the middle with you. # | 0:22:53 | 0:22:57 | |
The song documents an actual night at the table of a London restaurant, | 0:22:57 | 0:23:01 | |
with record company executives at one end | 0:23:01 | 0:23:04 | |
and potential producers at the other. | 0:23:04 | 0:23:06 | |
And business being conducted around Gerry and Joe. | 0:23:06 | 0:23:10 | |
# I'm all over the place | 0:23:10 | 0:23:13 | |
# Clowns to the left of me Jokers to the right | 0:23:13 | 0:23:16 | |
# Here I am Stuck in the middle with you | 0:23:16 | 0:23:19 | |
# Well you started off With nothing... # | 0:23:19 | 0:23:21 | |
It's just brilliant. And the sentiment of it. | 0:23:21 | 0:23:24 | |
Everyone's felt that, | 0:23:24 | 0:23:25 | |
"I'm stuck in the middle with you" sort of thing. | 0:23:25 | 0:23:27 | |
And he had a great way of making something of frustration | 0:23:27 | 0:23:31 | |
seem very happy. | 0:23:31 | 0:23:33 | |
That song will go on absolutely forever. It's in everything. | 0:23:33 | 0:23:36 | |
# Please... # | 0:23:36 | 0:23:38 | |
Which is great. I love that for songwriters. | 0:23:38 | 0:23:41 | |
I love it when they get a golden egg. It's fantastic. | 0:23:41 | 0:23:44 | |
It was very direct production and songwriting. | 0:23:44 | 0:23:49 | |
It got straight to the point, did the business and then got out again. | 0:23:49 | 0:23:53 | |
And that's why Stuck In The Middle is still a timeless song. | 0:23:53 | 0:23:56 | |
# Is it cool to go to Sleep on the floor | 0:23:56 | 0:23:59 | |
# Cos I don't think that I can take any more. # | 0:23:59 | 0:24:02 | |
With the success of Stuck In The Middle With You, | 0:24:02 | 0:24:04 | |
Gerry was persuaded to return to the band. But all was not well. | 0:24:04 | 0:24:09 | |
I met him on the night of Top Of The Pops, | 0:24:09 | 0:24:11 | |
when they did Stuck In The Middle. | 0:24:11 | 0:24:13 | |
Everything was going for them. | 0:24:13 | 0:24:15 | |
They had a huge deal with A&M. I'd met him in the studio, | 0:24:15 | 0:24:18 | |
just before or after, with Lieber and Stoller, for God's sake. | 0:24:18 | 0:24:21 | |
I thought, "God, everything for Gerry is coming good now. | 0:24:21 | 0:24:23 | |
"This is fantastic." Then he told me in the dressing room at Top Of The Pops | 0:24:23 | 0:24:27 | |
that he was going to not tour with it and knock it on the head. | 0:24:27 | 0:24:30 | |
And I think Joe Egan was blissfully unaware of that as he sang it. | 0:24:30 | 0:24:33 | |
I can never see that clip on the repeats of Top Of The Pops | 0:24:33 | 0:24:36 | |
without thinking, "That poor man." | 0:24:36 | 0:24:39 | |
The self-destruct gene kicked in and Gerry kind of canned it. | 0:24:39 | 0:24:43 | |
And I don't know why he did that but he did it several times. | 0:24:43 | 0:24:46 | |
There was so much politics taking place between the whole band | 0:24:46 | 0:24:50 | |
and everybody involved with the band - our managers and so forth. | 0:24:50 | 0:24:53 | |
Um...the live performances we did, | 0:24:53 | 0:24:59 | |
most of them were not very good. | 0:24:59 | 0:25:01 | |
Um...everything seemed to be incredibly rushed. | 0:25:01 | 0:25:05 | |
We never had time to rehearse properly because we were being taken | 0:25:05 | 0:25:08 | |
from the rehearsal studio to go and do interviews, | 0:25:08 | 0:25:11 | |
and we were taken from that to go and do something else. | 0:25:11 | 0:25:14 | |
You go in it to make music and, unfortunately, you end up | 0:25:14 | 0:25:17 | |
making music about 20% of the time that you do your job. | 0:25:17 | 0:25:22 | |
So the bit that you love about your job you get to do | 0:25:22 | 0:25:27 | |
kind of the least. | 0:25:27 | 0:25:28 | |
That was my first taste of just the nature of the music industry as a beast. | 0:25:28 | 0:25:35 | |
He didn't like being ordered around, basically. | 0:25:35 | 0:25:37 | |
He didn't like people telling him what to do. | 0:25:37 | 0:25:39 | |
And he had a great distrust of the music business, | 0:25:39 | 0:25:42 | |
what he would see as its machinations, | 0:25:42 | 0:25:45 | |
and looking for a pound of flesh all the time. | 0:25:45 | 0:25:49 | |
After the release of the 1974 album Ferguslie Park, the band split | 0:25:54 | 0:26:01 | |
and Gerry and Joe carried on as a songwriting and recording duo. | 0:26:01 | 0:26:07 | |
# So they made you a star Now your head's in a cloud... # | 0:26:07 | 0:26:11 | |
The single Star charted | 0:26:12 | 0:26:14 | |
and the promotional machine started up again | 0:26:14 | 0:26:16 | |
with appearances like this one, on German TV. | 0:26:16 | 0:26:21 | |
Look at the set. Imagine hanging around there all day and miming to your record. | 0:26:21 | 0:26:26 | |
And you look at the audience... HE LAUGHS | 0:26:26 | 0:26:28 | |
There's not a soul - you look out there - who looks like they want to be there, right? | 0:26:28 | 0:26:34 | |
So, as the day progresses, you could just see Gerry and Joe thinking, | 0:26:34 | 0:26:39 | |
"Well, let's have a wee bit of fun with this," on the one hand, | 0:26:39 | 0:26:44 | |
and on the other hand just really wishing they were somewhere else. | 0:26:44 | 0:26:50 | |
They come out of it rather well, I think. | 0:26:50 | 0:26:52 | |
Better than the audience does, who get no points for effort, really, do they? | 0:26:52 | 0:26:57 | |
You just had to laugh. I mean, nervously. | 0:26:57 | 0:27:00 | |
I mean, it didn't seem as if anybody was enjoying themselves at all, | 0:27:00 | 0:27:05 | |
so the people that were laughing were us, me and Gerry. | 0:27:05 | 0:27:09 | |
The song itself came over pretty well, I thought, anyway, so that was fine. | 0:27:09 | 0:27:13 | |
Jerry and Joe recorded Stealers Wheel's swansong, Right Or Wrong, | 0:27:18 | 0:27:22 | |
while their management company went bankrupt, | 0:27:22 | 0:27:25 | |
leaving Gerry and Joe broke and with legal issues | 0:27:25 | 0:27:29 | |
which would take years to resolve. | 0:27:29 | 0:27:32 | |
I went back to Glasgow to lick my wounds and take stock. | 0:27:38 | 0:27:42 | |
I knew that I was going to pursue a solo career. | 0:27:42 | 0:27:44 | |
I didn't want to be involved in bands any more. | 0:27:44 | 0:27:47 | |
So I was living in Glasgow | 0:27:47 | 0:27:50 | |
but I was spending a lot of time going back and forth | 0:27:50 | 0:27:53 | |
from Glasgow to London to sit in lawyers' offices. | 0:27:53 | 0:27:57 | |
And that lasted about two-and-a-half to three years. | 0:27:59 | 0:28:02 | |
Oddly enough, it was one of the most productive periods I've ever had in my life. | 0:28:02 | 0:28:07 | |
# I was lost | 0:28:08 | 0:28:11 | |
# On an endless sea | 0:28:11 | 0:28:16 | |
# Going down, going down... # | 0:28:16 | 0:28:20 | |
I basically used to the raw material of going back and forth | 0:28:20 | 0:28:23 | |
from Glasgow to London for the basis of all the songs that I wrote then. | 0:28:23 | 0:28:28 | |
His music room was always bang next to my bedroom, | 0:28:28 | 0:28:32 | |
so I remember falling asleep most nights to him singing at the piano or guitar next door. | 0:28:32 | 0:28:39 | |
It was something I wish more people had heard, actually, | 0:28:39 | 0:28:43 | |
just the pared down... no big production. | 0:28:43 | 0:28:46 | |
It was lovely background music to my childhood, you know? | 0:28:46 | 0:28:50 | |
# Here I am, back in town... # | 0:28:50 | 0:28:56 | |
Gerry took his songwriting from this period into the studio. | 0:28:56 | 0:29:00 | |
Unfettered by band politics and determined to set his own agenda, | 0:29:00 | 0:29:05 | |
Gerry delivered to United Artists and himself massive success with three solo albums. | 0:29:05 | 0:29:12 | |
This was 1977. | 0:29:12 | 0:29:14 | |
Punk was making a big noise | 0:29:14 | 0:29:16 | |
and John Byrne was again designing the record sleeve. | 0:29:16 | 0:29:20 | |
The original cover for City To City was a kind of punky-looking guy, | 0:29:20 | 0:29:24 | |
a fair-haired guy, a young guy, | 0:29:24 | 0:29:27 | |
and his nose was split, it had a split on it. | 0:29:27 | 0:29:30 | |
He was standing in a kind of... | 0:29:30 | 0:29:32 | |
the wreckage of a city and he's wearing a snakeskin jacket. | 0:29:32 | 0:29:39 | |
And smoking a cigarette. | 0:29:39 | 0:29:41 | |
And they said it looked too punky, the record company, | 0:29:41 | 0:29:46 | |
and would I please do another one. | 0:29:46 | 0:29:49 | |
So I did another one, | 0:29:49 | 0:29:51 | |
and whether it's the better two of the two covers, I don't know. | 0:29:51 | 0:29:54 | |
But I think they were right. | 0:29:54 | 0:29:57 | |
# Yes, I get a little lonely When the sun gets low... # | 0:29:59 | 0:30:04 | |
The creative process in the studio making City To City, | 0:30:08 | 0:30:11 | |
Night Owl and Snakes And Ladders | 0:30:11 | 0:30:14 | |
was very different from what had gone before, | 0:30:14 | 0:30:17 | |
with Gerry now co-producing his own work. | 0:30:17 | 0:30:20 | |
Some people are insecure and they don't want to be overshadowed. | 0:30:21 | 0:30:25 | |
Gerry wanted the best people, he wanted really great creative people. | 0:30:25 | 0:30:29 | |
# We've still got a long way We've still got a long way to go. # | 0:30:29 | 0:30:36 | |
I was used to working very fast. | 0:30:36 | 0:30:39 | |
That was the way that people did it. | 0:30:39 | 0:30:40 | |
He didn't work like that. | 0:30:40 | 0:30:42 | |
It was the first time I had come across an artist who was | 0:30:42 | 0:30:46 | |
really, really painstaking about every detail. | 0:30:46 | 0:30:49 | |
And I would often play a guitar part with different amplifiers, | 0:30:49 | 0:30:55 | |
the same part, different guitars, the same thing over and over, | 0:30:55 | 0:30:59 | |
and then he would sit down and do an assessment of which one he liked. | 0:30:59 | 0:31:02 | |
And he was great. Once you played something that he liked, he knew right away. | 0:31:02 | 0:31:08 | |
-# So never leave me lonely... # -WOMAN HARMONISES | 0:31:08 | 0:31:14 | |
# Now that you love me only Yeah... # | 0:31:14 | 0:31:19 | |
It was always an exciting moment when they rolled the tape | 0:31:21 | 0:31:26 | |
because I would hear his, | 0:31:26 | 0:31:28 | |
to me, glorious voice | 0:31:28 | 0:31:31 | |
and I would be matching phrasing to a voice that was already there. | 0:31:31 | 0:31:36 | |
And that was probably the most exciting backing vocals | 0:31:36 | 0:31:41 | |
that I've ever done in my life, was singing with Gerry. | 0:31:41 | 0:31:45 | |
# I just want to tell you | 0:31:45 | 0:31:47 | |
# You still got that light... # | 0:31:47 | 0:31:50 | |
I think he quite liked the way I played because it wasn't flashy. | 0:31:50 | 0:31:53 | |
But it suited him really well. | 0:31:53 | 0:31:56 | |
It was sensitive. (Shall we say?) | 0:31:56 | 0:32:00 | |
# Oh, no, no, no | 0:32:00 | 0:32:03 | |
# No, no | 0:32:03 | 0:32:05 | |
# No, no, no... # | 0:32:05 | 0:32:08 | |
You had to be very careful not to pick up Gerry's orange juice in the morning and drink it. | 0:32:08 | 0:32:12 | |
Otherwise...you'd be drunk the whole day. | 0:32:12 | 0:32:15 | |
When we were at Chipping Norton for a long time, | 0:32:18 | 0:32:21 | |
Gerry would drink and drink and drink | 0:32:21 | 0:32:23 | |
and his eyes would narrow and he'd look around the room | 0:32:23 | 0:32:26 | |
and he'd just pick a victim and he'd launch into an attack. | 0:32:26 | 0:32:29 | |
And it was really, really unpleasant, | 0:32:29 | 0:32:32 | |
and most of the time the people just sat there and took it, | 0:32:32 | 0:32:36 | |
and sometimes it would go on for 15 minutes, you know. It was awful. | 0:32:36 | 0:32:40 | |
There's no point in over-gilding a lily, is there? | 0:32:49 | 0:32:52 | |
You've got to face it - Gerry was really amusing, | 0:32:52 | 0:32:55 | |
could be very sensitive, | 0:32:55 | 0:32:57 | |
wrote sensitive songs and could be very kind, | 0:32:57 | 0:33:00 | |
but he could also be very difficult and could be...when drink... | 0:33:00 | 0:33:03 | |
Later on, when drink was taken it was a bit poisonous. | 0:33:03 | 0:33:06 | |
Quiet, please. Playback. | 0:33:06 | 0:33:08 | |
Sometimes it was all rather chaotic | 0:33:11 | 0:33:14 | |
but I think this is one of the reasons why he worked so closely with Hugh Murphy, | 0:33:14 | 0:33:19 | |
because Hugh was able, sometimes, I think, | 0:33:19 | 0:33:22 | |
to be a conduit for Gerry's thoughts and intentions in the studio. | 0:33:22 | 0:33:28 | |
He was also extremely acerbic. | 0:33:29 | 0:33:32 | |
He had a quick mind and he could give back to Gerry as good as he got, | 0:33:32 | 0:33:37 | |
so on both of those levels, it worked really well. | 0:33:37 | 0:33:41 | |
Gerry had a broad vision. I think he had the songs | 0:33:41 | 0:33:44 | |
and then Hugh was the person who put them into the landscape. | 0:33:44 | 0:33:48 | |
It's what they call, nowadays, a bromance. | 0:33:50 | 0:33:53 | |
Yes, it was. | 0:33:53 | 0:33:54 | |
It was a bromance. It was a romance. | 0:33:54 | 0:33:57 | |
They loved each other and I think... | 0:33:57 | 0:33:59 | |
Hugh was really the only person that could put up with Gerry, for any length of time, | 0:33:59 | 0:34:04 | |
because he was very calm and... you know. | 0:34:04 | 0:34:06 | |
# And you don't get no relief | 0:34:06 | 0:34:08 | |
# It's gonna be a long night | 0:34:08 | 0:34:12 | |
# Waitin' for the first light | 0:34:12 | 0:34:15 | |
# It's going to be a long night. # | 0:34:15 | 0:34:19 | |
Don't you think he was really kind of fanciable, Gerry? He was very charming. | 0:34:19 | 0:34:22 | |
Or did you not find that? No. | 0:34:22 | 0:34:25 | |
-That was just me. -Because I was in love with Hugh, and Hugh was always there when Gerry... | 0:34:25 | 0:34:29 | |
I was in love with Richard but it didn't stop me fancying Gerry. | 0:34:29 | 0:34:32 | |
No, I was so in love with Hugh I couldn't fancy anybody else, so... | 0:34:32 | 0:34:36 | |
Loser. | 0:34:36 | 0:34:37 | |
# So good night | 0:34:37 | 0:34:39 | |
# Yeah, good night | 0:34:39 | 0:34:41 | |
# Good night train Is gonna carry me home... # | 0:34:41 | 0:34:44 | |
And here's Hugh Murphy, Gerry's producer, | 0:34:44 | 0:34:47 | |
supporting him on Dutch TV in 1978 | 0:34:47 | 0:34:50 | |
by pretending to play the harmonica. | 0:34:50 | 0:34:53 | |
Hugh didn't have to be there at all. Gerry needed him there for moral support. | 0:35:00 | 0:35:04 | |
There was no earthly reason why he needed to be sitting there, | 0:35:04 | 0:35:07 | |
miming harmonica-playing, but... | 0:35:07 | 0:35:10 | |
I think Gerry got really dependent on him in the end. | 0:35:10 | 0:35:14 | |
Watching Hugh sucking and blowing away like that is very funny. | 0:35:14 | 0:35:17 | |
It was Paul Jones of Manfred Mann who actually played | 0:35:17 | 0:35:22 | |
the harmonica on the track. | 0:35:22 | 0:35:23 | |
# Yeah, good night | 0:35:23 | 0:35:25 | |
# Good night train Is gonna carry me home. # | 0:35:25 | 0:35:28 | |
Promotional appearances of this kind were anathema to Gerry | 0:35:30 | 0:35:33 | |
and eventually, he flatly refused to do any more. | 0:35:33 | 0:35:38 | |
His preferred habitat was the recording studio | 0:35:38 | 0:35:40 | |
and his main interest was in writing his songs. | 0:35:40 | 0:35:45 | |
Generally...the melody will come first, the music will come first, | 0:35:45 | 0:35:49 | |
and then I will attempt | 0:35:49 | 0:35:51 | |
to wed a lyric to the melody, once it's complete. | 0:35:51 | 0:35:55 | |
When I first started to write lyrics, | 0:35:55 | 0:35:58 | |
that was the real hard work for me and it still is, in many ways. | 0:35:58 | 0:36:02 | |
I just keep the lyrics as simple as possible | 0:36:02 | 0:36:05 | |
because I never felt I had any way with words. | 0:36:05 | 0:36:08 | |
That's...that's SO not true. | 0:36:08 | 0:36:10 | |
It's SO not true, that. | 0:36:10 | 0:36:12 | |
He had a great way with words. That was the thing - he was very, very deceptive. | 0:36:12 | 0:36:16 | |
His words are just...are absolutely the right word for every song | 0:36:16 | 0:36:21 | |
that he wrote, and the words are just perfect. | 0:36:21 | 0:36:24 | |
# I just wanna say This is my way | 0:36:24 | 0:36:29 | |
# Of telling you everything I could never say before... # | 0:36:29 | 0:36:36 | |
Right Down The Line is already on my list for my funeral. | 0:36:39 | 0:36:42 | |
I've always, always, always preferred songs written by men about women. | 0:36:42 | 0:36:48 | |
The way women sing about men, they can be very bitter, | 0:36:48 | 0:36:51 | |
and then a lot of songs where they do sing about how much they love them, | 0:36:51 | 0:36:55 | |
it's in a needy way, or a kind of, "I'd give up anything for you, | 0:36:55 | 0:36:58 | |
"even if you treat me badly" way, which I've never understood. | 0:36:58 | 0:37:01 | |
Right Down The Line, it's just like basically saying... It's so simple | 0:37:01 | 0:37:05 | |
but just... "Forever, I will always, always, always... | 0:37:05 | 0:37:10 | |
"love you, and it's always been you." | 0:37:10 | 0:37:12 | |
And imagine if somebody wrote that for you. | 0:37:12 | 0:37:15 | |
Imagine! You know? | 0:37:15 | 0:37:17 | |
I would try to write about my own personal experiences | 0:37:17 | 0:37:20 | |
as much as I could. I trusted my intuition in that way. | 0:37:20 | 0:37:23 | |
Um...and I wasn't afraid to... | 0:37:23 | 0:37:29 | |
Not in every song - there were lots of songs that that wasn't the case | 0:37:29 | 0:37:32 | |
but there was a fair number | 0:37:32 | 0:37:36 | |
that were to do with my own inner world. | 0:37:36 | 0:37:39 | |
I have sung Gerry Rafferty songs all my life, | 0:37:39 | 0:37:44 | |
even when I was singing in folk clubs, | 0:37:44 | 0:37:46 | |
so we're going back to the late-60s, early-70s, | 0:37:46 | 0:37:51 | |
when I first met Gerry. | 0:37:51 | 0:37:53 | |
As time went on, I've covered a lot of his songs. | 0:37:53 | 0:37:55 | |
I did The Royal Mile. | 0:37:55 | 0:37:57 | |
But I'm probably best known for singing The Right Moment. | 0:37:57 | 0:38:01 | |
# Spinning on another wheel | 0:38:01 | 0:38:06 | |
# Going round in slow motion | 0:38:06 | 0:38:14 | |
# Caught up in another dream | 0:38:14 | 0:38:18 | |
# Drifting on a blue ocean... # | 0:38:18 | 0:38:25 | |
All of his songs have always spoken to me. | 0:38:25 | 0:38:28 | |
There's something to do with the melodic structure | 0:38:28 | 0:38:32 | |
and something very sad in the writing | 0:38:32 | 0:38:37 | |
which has always appealed to me, but it's never sentimental. | 0:38:37 | 0:38:43 | |
# You remember and then you forget | 0:38:45 | 0:38:50 | |
# All along the way... # | 0:38:51 | 0:38:57 | |
He doesn't use a lot of fancy, poetic terms. | 0:39:03 | 0:39:05 | |
He doesn't cloak what he's saying in mystic mumbo-jumbo. | 0:39:05 | 0:39:10 | |
He gets to the point | 0:39:10 | 0:39:11 | |
and...I think almost uniquely, | 0:39:11 | 0:39:14 | |
you could listen to the songs down the years and connect them | 0:39:14 | 0:39:18 | |
with what you later find out was going on with his private life. | 0:39:18 | 0:39:21 | |
# Out on the street I was talkin' to a man | 0:39:25 | 0:39:28 | |
# He said There's so much of this life of mine | 0:39:28 | 0:39:30 | |
# That I don't understand | 0:39:30 | 0:39:33 | |
# You shouldn't worry I said, that ain't no crime | 0:39:33 | 0:39:36 | |
# Cos if you get it wrong you'll get it right next time... # | 0:39:36 | 0:39:39 | |
Gerry may have chosen to reveal aspects of his life in his songs | 0:39:39 | 0:39:45 | |
but he did not want his life altered by the unwelcome personal attention | 0:39:45 | 0:39:49 | |
that comes with being household name. | 0:39:49 | 0:39:52 | |
Once you enter into the world of celebrity, | 0:39:52 | 0:39:55 | |
you can no longer really be the observer in life. | 0:39:55 | 0:39:57 | |
And I've always valued that highly. You become the observed. | 0:39:57 | 0:40:02 | |
And other people... wallowed in that kind of... | 0:40:02 | 0:40:07 | |
..acclamation and excess. | 0:40:08 | 0:40:12 | |
Er... But it was like a drug to them. They couldn't stop. | 0:40:12 | 0:40:16 | |
And it wasn't like a drug to him. It wasn't even like a... | 0:40:16 | 0:40:19 | |
a bag of sweeties. It wasn't like anything. | 0:40:19 | 0:40:23 | |
It was just...he didn't want to do it and he refused to. | 0:40:23 | 0:40:25 | |
HE LAUGHS | 0:40:25 | 0:40:28 | |
# And the sign says | 0:40:30 | 0:40:32 | |
# Welcome to Hollywood... # | 0:40:32 | 0:40:34 | |
Despite massive airplay and huge sales there, | 0:40:34 | 0:40:38 | |
Gerry never played a single gig in the US. | 0:40:38 | 0:40:42 | |
I have huge respect for Gerry for not ever pandering | 0:40:42 | 0:40:46 | |
to the demands of record companies to promote work in a certain way. | 0:40:46 | 0:40:50 | |
To go out and, as he probably saw it, prostitute himself live, | 0:40:50 | 0:40:54 | |
playing gigs he didn't feel like playing, simply in order to shift product. | 0:40:54 | 0:40:58 | |
And good for him for sticking two fingers up at the system | 0:40:58 | 0:41:01 | |
and saying, "Actually, you don't have to do any of that and I'm not going to." | 0:41:01 | 0:41:06 | |
# So sweet | 0:41:07 | 0:41:08 | |
# They bring it all the way from... # | 0:41:12 | 0:41:14 | |
I wanted success and fame and I got it, to a degree. | 0:41:14 | 0:41:19 | |
Gerry...wanted respect. | 0:41:19 | 0:41:22 | |
He wanted his talent to be respected. | 0:41:22 | 0:41:24 | |
He wanted his songs to be respected and he certainly got that. | 0:41:24 | 0:41:30 | |
Well there's a Japanese Zen saying. | 0:41:30 | 0:41:34 | |
It states that if you get too famous, you'll go straight to hell. | 0:41:34 | 0:41:38 | |
# I came to you when no-one could hear me | 0:41:38 | 0:41:45 | |
# I'm sick and... # | 0:41:45 | 0:41:46 | |
Linda Thompson sang backing vocals on Night Owl, | 0:41:46 | 0:41:49 | |
and she and then-husband Richard toured with Gerry in the UK. | 0:41:49 | 0:41:54 | |
In 1980, they were without a record deal | 0:41:54 | 0:41:57 | |
and Gerry raised the finance and produced an album for them, | 0:41:57 | 0:42:01 | |
the bootleg of which has come to be known as Rafferty's Folly. | 0:42:01 | 0:42:05 | |
It never got released, that was the thing. | 0:42:05 | 0:42:09 | |
We did it and Richard didn't like it because it was a little bit slick - | 0:42:09 | 0:42:14 | |
in tune - and it was all the things that Gerry was, | 0:42:14 | 0:42:18 | |
which was very perfectionist about the tempo | 0:42:18 | 0:42:22 | |
and very perfectionist about the tuning | 0:42:22 | 0:42:24 | |
and there was no Auto-Tune in those days, so you'd just do things over and over | 0:42:24 | 0:42:28 | |
and Richard didn't like it very much so we redid it, | 0:42:28 | 0:42:31 | |
but actually, it's a very good record. He did a great job. | 0:42:31 | 0:42:35 | |
He was extremely funny and he was very romantic. | 0:42:40 | 0:42:45 | |
He'd have these crushes on people and... | 0:42:45 | 0:42:49 | |
when we were on tour, we decided to run away together. | 0:42:49 | 0:42:52 | |
We were both married, mind you. | 0:42:52 | 0:42:54 | |
And we got on the train and by the end of the train journey, | 0:42:54 | 0:42:57 | |
we were looking at each other going, "This is not a good idea." | 0:42:57 | 0:43:00 | |
I don't think anything ever came of these... | 0:43:00 | 0:43:03 | |
crushes that he had on people. | 0:43:03 | 0:43:05 | |
He'd say to people, "I love you," and blah-blah-blah, | 0:43:05 | 0:43:08 | |
but it was just a fun, romantic thing, I think, for him, to do with the music, maybe. | 0:43:08 | 0:43:13 | |
After the Richard and Linda experience, | 0:43:14 | 0:43:16 | |
the only other artists Gerry ever produced were The Proclaimers. | 0:43:16 | 0:43:21 | |
This is the original acoustic version of Letter From America. | 0:43:21 | 0:43:25 | |
# When you go | 0:43:27 | 0:43:28 | |
# Will you send back | 0:43:28 | 0:43:31 | |
# A letter from America? # | 0:43:31 | 0:43:35 | |
We initially did a demo down at Gerry's house, | 0:43:35 | 0:43:38 | |
and a fantastic studio he had down there, and that's... | 0:43:38 | 0:43:41 | |
That was the best studio we'd been in, | 0:43:41 | 0:43:44 | |
and that was his home studio, you know, so it was pretty intimidating. | 0:43:44 | 0:43:47 | |
# The other day | 0:43:48 | 0:43:50 | |
# I spent the evening thinking about | 0:43:50 | 0:43:52 | |
# All the blood that flowed away... # | 0:43:52 | 0:43:54 | |
That was '87 and we'd been playing that song since about '84. | 0:43:54 | 0:43:59 | |
So it's hard to really imagine it being any other way, you know? | 0:43:59 | 0:44:04 | |
But the way he built the arrangement round the actual song itself, | 0:44:04 | 0:44:08 | |
you could hear from the start that it would work. | 0:44:08 | 0:44:12 | |
And it finished up a lot better than I think we'd imagined. | 0:44:12 | 0:44:16 | |
# When you go | 0:44:16 | 0:44:18 | |
# Will you send back | 0:44:18 | 0:44:20 | |
# A letter from America? | 0:44:20 | 0:44:24 | |
# Take a look | 0:44:24 | 0:44:26 | |
# At the rail track | 0:44:26 | 0:44:29 | |
# From Miami to Canada | 0:44:29 | 0:44:34 | |
He took us aside at some point when we had a cup of tea and said, | 0:44:36 | 0:44:39 | |
"Look, this is still your song." | 0:44:39 | 0:44:42 | |
And we knew it - we didn't feel it had in any way been taken apart at all - | 0:44:42 | 0:44:47 | |
it was just added to. There was an arrangement built around the song. | 0:44:47 | 0:44:51 | |
The integrity of the song was maintained. | 0:44:51 | 0:44:53 | |
# When you go | 0:44:53 | 0:44:55 | |
# Will you send back | 0:44:55 | 0:44:58 | |
# A letter from America? # | 0:44:58 | 0:45:02 | |
I think the really interesting thing about Letter From America | 0:45:02 | 0:45:05 | |
is how great the production is, that it's absolutely simple and direct. | 0:45:05 | 0:45:10 | |
It's everything Leiber and Stoller brought to Stuck In The Middle With You, | 0:45:10 | 0:45:14 | |
and which Gerry, in some ways, seemed unable to bring to bear | 0:45:14 | 0:45:17 | |
on his own work because he felt he had to kind of | 0:45:17 | 0:45:20 | |
live up to a reputation of making another Gerry Rafferty record | 0:45:20 | 0:45:24 | |
that would be matched up with Baker Street, rather than cutting to the chase | 0:45:24 | 0:45:27 | |
and getting to the essence of what the song was about | 0:45:27 | 0:45:30 | |
and when he was producing another artist, I think he was able to do that, | 0:45:30 | 0:45:33 | |
and see the folk tradition that came into it | 0:45:33 | 0:45:37 | |
and the beautiful directness of that, and not spoil it, not clutter it up, | 0:45:37 | 0:45:41 | |
not cover it in '80s synths or anything but just get to the song | 0:45:41 | 0:45:45 | |
and, of course, he delivered them a massive, massive hit. | 0:45:45 | 0:45:48 | |
Gerry Rafferty would never again have the commercial success of the late '70s | 0:45:50 | 0:45:55 | |
but he kept on making his music his way. | 0:45:55 | 0:45:58 | |
North And South, released in 1988 as his marriage to Carla was breaking down, | 0:45:58 | 0:46:04 | |
is a window into his life at that time. | 0:46:04 | 0:46:07 | |
That was an album that I remember | 0:46:09 | 0:46:12 | |
just playing again and again and again, | 0:46:12 | 0:46:14 | |
because it came out at a time when I was... | 0:46:14 | 0:46:17 | |
coming to the end of a long relationship as well, | 0:46:17 | 0:46:20 | |
and every track on that album seemed to me to say something about my life. | 0:46:20 | 0:46:25 | |
I was living in exile down south, | 0:46:25 | 0:46:28 | |
I was in a relationship where hearts were running dry, | 0:46:28 | 0:46:31 | |
and it just felt like the soundtrack of my life at that point. | 0:46:31 | 0:46:35 | |
# Moonlight and gold | 0:46:38 | 0:46:42 | |
# Midsummer magic as the night | 0:46:43 | 0:46:48 | |
# Turns to day and songbirds greet the dawn... # | 0:46:48 | 0:46:55 | |
'Moonlight and gold is a recurring theme for him. | 0:46:55 | 0:46:59 | |
'The metaphor of the day being life.' | 0:46:59 | 0:47:02 | |
# You watch and wonder While the moon fades away | 0:47:02 | 0:47:09 | |
# And one more day is born. # | 0:47:09 | 0:47:11 | |
'These are the songs of a 40-year-old as opposed | 0:47:11 | 0:47:14 | |
to 'the songs of a 25-year-old.' | 0:47:14 | 0:47:16 | |
We spent hours, literally hours, on the phone. | 0:47:24 | 0:47:28 | |
He'd split from his wife, and stuff like that. | 0:47:28 | 0:47:31 | |
I think that was probably one of the big reasons for keeping in touch. | 0:47:31 | 0:47:36 | |
Of course, I offered my services anyway, | 0:47:36 | 0:47:39 | |
if he needs an ear to bend, or whatever. | 0:47:39 | 0:47:42 | |
So the '90s were taken up, quite a lot of the '90s were taken up | 0:47:42 | 0:47:46 | |
with Gerry phoning and talking away. | 0:47:46 | 0:47:49 | |
But, of course, during the conversation, | 0:47:49 | 0:47:52 | |
on many occasions he would be... he'd get really drunk. | 0:47:52 | 0:47:56 | |
He was unable to continue the conversation. | 0:47:56 | 0:48:00 | |
So... Here I go again. I don't want to speak about this. | 0:48:00 | 0:48:03 | |
This stuff. | 0:48:03 | 0:48:05 | |
I think the most interesting period of his post-Baker Street career | 0:48:05 | 0:48:09 | |
was actually '92 to '94. | 0:48:09 | 0:48:12 | |
Because he made two albums there which were a major return to form. | 0:48:12 | 0:48:16 | |
And Life Goes On as a song was so important to him | 0:48:16 | 0:48:23 | |
that he revisited it with his final album. | 0:48:23 | 0:48:26 | |
He came back to that song and brought it back, | 0:48:26 | 0:48:28 | |
because he felt it hadn't had the attention it deserved. | 0:48:28 | 0:48:31 | |
It's clearly about Carla and it's clearly heartfelt. | 0:48:31 | 0:48:35 | |
I think that's probably his strongest song. | 0:48:35 | 0:48:37 | |
It's got the most gorgeous, powerful chorus that sweeps you up | 0:48:37 | 0:48:41 | |
and carries you along. | 0:48:41 | 0:48:43 | |
# And your life goes on... # | 0:48:43 | 0:48:48 | |
And I think it took the break-up with his wife | 0:48:50 | 0:48:53 | |
to put him into the idea that he had to get back down to brass tacks, | 0:48:53 | 0:48:59 | |
he had to really roll his sleeves up and get back to what he was good at, | 0:48:59 | 0:49:02 | |
and he got back with Joe Egan, | 0:49:02 | 0:49:04 | |
and they made a couple of really, really strong albums there. | 0:49:04 | 0:49:07 | |
# Every night's a lonely night | 0:49:09 | 0:49:12 | |
# Since you went away | 0:49:12 | 0:49:14 | |
# But you come back to haunt my memory... # | 0:49:15 | 0:49:19 | |
Gerry installed a studio at his home | 0:49:20 | 0:49:22 | |
and worked there with Hugh Murphy on the last two albums they made together. | 0:49:22 | 0:49:27 | |
'Following his divorce, Gerry and I had the chance for the first time | 0:49:27 | 0:49:31 | |
'to sort of spend a lot of time together at Tye Farm,' | 0:49:31 | 0:49:35 | |
in Sussex, where he was living at that time. | 0:49:35 | 0:49:38 | |
I used to go there every couple of weeks, | 0:49:38 | 0:49:41 | |
and we'd spend a day writing. | 0:49:41 | 0:49:43 | |
And...we actually spent a lot of the time laughing. | 0:49:43 | 0:49:47 | |
I mean, we shared a sense of the ridiculous. | 0:49:47 | 0:49:51 | |
We laughed like drains for much of the time. | 0:49:51 | 0:49:53 | |
That's one of my prevailing memories of it. | 0:49:53 | 0:49:55 | |
Over the years, Gerry played again and again | 0:50:00 | 0:50:04 | |
with familiar old musical friends. | 0:50:04 | 0:50:06 | |
Guitarist Hugh Burns enjoyed a long-standing creative relationship with him. | 0:50:06 | 0:50:12 | |
Gerry understood and loved, at a very deep level, Scottish music. | 0:50:12 | 0:50:17 | |
And many, many times, he would ask me to alter the harmonies | 0:50:17 | 0:50:21 | |
to sound more Celtic, more Scottish. | 0:50:21 | 0:50:23 | |
And I think that influenced his music quite a bit. | 0:50:23 | 0:50:29 | |
And if you... HE STRUMS CHORD | 0:50:29 | 0:50:31 | |
If you have the guitar in this kind of tuning, | 0:50:31 | 0:50:33 | |
you can hear the influence, the influence of pipes, | 0:50:33 | 0:50:37 | |
and the influence of that kind of... | 0:50:37 | 0:50:39 | |
HE PLAYS CELTIC-STYLE RIFFS | 0:50:39 | 0:50:42 | |
Of the relationships in Gerry's life forged in music, | 0:50:59 | 0:51:03 | |
one of the most important, with Hugh Murphy, | 0:51:03 | 0:51:06 | |
ended with Hugh's early death in 1998. | 0:51:06 | 0:51:10 | |
'I think that was a great blow to Jerry.' | 0:51:10 | 0:51:12 | |
Because they had such a long relationship, | 0:51:12 | 0:51:15 | |
it was a unique working relationship, I think. | 0:51:15 | 0:51:19 | |
And I think it took Gerry a little while to find somebody else | 0:51:19 | 0:51:22 | |
to work with in that particular capacity, the engineering side, etc. | 0:51:22 | 0:51:27 | |
And Giles came on board, | 0:51:27 | 0:51:30 | |
and I thought it was a great moment for Gerry. | 0:51:30 | 0:51:32 | |
Because I think he had found somebody | 0:51:32 | 0:51:34 | |
who was incredibly supportive to what he was doing, | 0:51:34 | 0:51:37 | |
and who was happy with his particular working methods. | 0:51:37 | 0:51:40 | |
Together with Giles Twigg, Gerry travelled to Barbados, France, | 0:51:49 | 0:51:54 | |
Tuscany and the North of Scotland with portable recording equipment. | 0:51:54 | 0:51:59 | |
The result of this semi-nomadic period was the 2000 album Another World, | 0:51:59 | 0:52:04 | |
which, as always, reflected his real life. | 0:52:04 | 0:52:07 | |
# When Xavier and Honor were born... # | 0:52:09 | 0:52:13 | |
Xavier And Honor is a song about Tilda Swinton | 0:52:13 | 0:52:16 | |
and John Byrne's children. | 0:52:16 | 0:52:19 | |
# Their reason for being | 0:52:19 | 0:52:21 | |
# Was clear when they opened their eyes... # | 0:52:21 | 0:52:25 | |
I would have to say, in all honesty, the one record, | 0:52:25 | 0:52:29 | |
or the one main record that they made together, | 0:52:29 | 0:52:32 | |
is perhaps the record of Gerry's I would be least likely to turn to as an album. | 0:52:32 | 0:52:40 | |
Just simply because, I think, | 0:52:40 | 0:52:43 | |
Giles did not have the same kind of dialogue with Gerry as Hugh had had. | 0:52:43 | 0:52:50 | |
And the record is just slightly overworked, | 0:52:50 | 0:52:54 | |
and there's not nearly enough heart left in it. | 0:52:54 | 0:52:57 | |
# My girlfriend's in Albania | 0:52:57 | 0:53:00 | |
# My ex-wife's in Tasmania | 0:53:00 | 0:53:04 | |
# And I am in Transylvania | 0:53:04 | 0:53:07 | |
# With the vampires all around... # | 0:53:07 | 0:53:10 | |
The album, Another World, was originally | 0:53:11 | 0:53:14 | |
only available through Gerry's website. | 0:53:14 | 0:53:17 | |
Access to the internet allowed Gerry Rafferty fans to meet online. | 0:53:17 | 0:53:22 | |
It's a very tight-knit group of real, real Gerry Rafferty fans. | 0:53:22 | 0:53:28 | |
People who feel the same way as I do. | 0:53:28 | 0:53:31 | |
It's generally talking about... | 0:53:31 | 0:53:35 | |
obviously talking about his music, | 0:53:35 | 0:53:37 | |
and discussing songs in great detail. | 0:53:37 | 0:53:42 | |
And people trying to pick out their top 10 Gerry... which is an impossibility. | 0:53:42 | 0:53:46 | |
You can't pick 10 Gerry Rafferty tracks, you have to have a top 50. | 0:53:46 | 0:53:51 | |
I think once people kind of get his music, | 0:53:51 | 0:53:54 | |
it stays with them their whole life. | 0:53:54 | 0:53:57 | |
And I know that a lot of the fans, | 0:53:57 | 0:53:59 | |
they speak about his music as having helped them | 0:53:59 | 0:54:01 | |
through times of real trouble, | 0:54:01 | 0:54:04 | |
their wife leaving them or something. | 0:54:04 | 0:54:06 | |
It's his music, people relate to it. | 0:54:06 | 0:54:10 | |
That meant a lot to him. | 0:54:10 | 0:54:11 | |
2009's Life Goes On demonstrates Gerry's continued interest in reworking his back catalogue. | 0:54:15 | 0:54:22 | |
It also reflects his wide musical interests, | 0:54:29 | 0:54:32 | |
from the Beatles and Mozart | 0:54:32 | 0:54:33 | |
to Irish folksongs and Christmas carols. | 0:54:33 | 0:54:38 | |
That was Gerry putting his house in order. | 0:54:38 | 0:54:41 | |
He's taken all the songs that mattered to him, | 0:54:41 | 0:54:43 | |
the themes, the cover versions of other things that were significant to him, | 0:54:43 | 0:54:47 | |
and he's brought it together in a production... | 0:54:47 | 0:54:50 | |
high production value package, where there's not a weak track in there. | 0:54:50 | 0:54:54 | |
It's all beautifully produced, immaculately tended and cared for. | 0:54:54 | 0:54:58 | |
And he was gathering together everything that mattered to him | 0:54:58 | 0:55:01 | |
and putting it out there. Really, as a kind of goodbye. | 0:55:01 | 0:55:05 | |
We didn't know it at the time, but I think he felt he had to make his mark | 0:55:05 | 0:55:08 | |
and leave something behind of lasting value. | 0:55:08 | 0:55:11 | |
# Kyrie eleison | 0:55:12 | 0:55:16 | |
# Christie eleison... # | 0:55:16 | 0:55:21 | |
We were linked by what we'd come through. | 0:55:22 | 0:55:25 | |
Like, Catholic school and all that. | 0:55:25 | 0:55:27 | |
We used to sing a lot of hymns in the car on the way to gigs. | 0:55:27 | 0:55:32 | |
We used to love hymns. | 0:55:32 | 0:55:33 | |
On his last album, just before he died, | 0:55:33 | 0:55:36 | |
he had Kyrie Eleison, | 0:55:36 | 0:55:38 | |
and I was on the phone to him | 0:55:38 | 0:55:41 | |
and he said it was a Coptic Christian version. | 0:55:41 | 0:55:43 | |
I think harmony was central to my dad, | 0:55:48 | 0:55:52 | |
because of what it evoked in him as a human being. | 0:55:52 | 0:55:57 | |
You know, it's... Harmony makes a person feel connected. | 0:55:57 | 0:56:03 | |
Connected to the universe, and to what's around you, | 0:56:03 | 0:56:05 | |
and it's the way that things all come together | 0:56:05 | 0:56:08 | |
and create something of beauty. | 0:56:08 | 0:56:10 | |
# Yeah | 0:56:11 | 0:56:16 | |
# Night and day | 0:56:18 | 0:56:22 | |
# And day... # | 0:56:22 | 0:56:24 | |
'There are those who say that Gerry in his life, | 0:56:24 | 0:56:27 | |
'and in his relationships,' | 0:56:27 | 0:56:29 | |
perhaps didn't give enough of himself. | 0:56:29 | 0:56:31 | |
I can understand why they say that, given the temperament he had. | 0:56:31 | 0:56:34 | |
But since he died, I think I've come to the view | 0:56:34 | 0:56:38 | |
that he gave us the music, and maybe that's legacy enough. | 0:56:38 | 0:56:42 | |
That's how I feel about it now. | 0:56:42 | 0:56:44 | |
Yes, he could be an absolute rascal, as everybody knows, | 0:56:44 | 0:56:47 | |
but...he was our a rascal. | 0:56:47 | 0:56:50 | |
When I think of him, I think of him laughing. | 0:56:50 | 0:56:53 | |
Playing the guitar. Singing with Rab and me. | 0:56:53 | 0:56:58 | |
Me singing on Whatever's Written In Your Heart. | 0:56:58 | 0:57:00 | |
# At least we got our memories... # | 0:57:02 | 0:57:07 | |
Just loving him. So much. | 0:57:07 | 0:57:10 | |
# Whatever's written in your heart | 0:57:10 | 0:57:13 | |
# That's all that matters... # | 0:57:13 | 0:57:16 | |
It was a 40-year existence, really, of writing songs, | 0:57:18 | 0:57:24 | |
and making music and making great records | 0:57:24 | 0:57:27 | |
pretty much all of which are built to last. | 0:57:27 | 0:57:31 | |
He used to say to me that once he couldn't sing any more, | 0:57:33 | 0:57:37 | |
then that would be it. | 0:57:37 | 0:57:40 | |
And actually, that was what happened. | 0:57:40 | 0:57:42 | |
He went unafraid and sober. | 0:57:43 | 0:57:47 | |
Yeah. | 0:57:47 | 0:57:49 | |
And with a wonderful legacy. | 0:57:49 | 0:57:51 | |
# We've played this game now for a long, long time... # | 0:57:51 | 0:57:55 | |
I was texting memories and things, and he was laughing, | 0:57:55 | 0:58:01 | |
and we laughed right up to the very end. | 0:58:01 | 0:58:03 | |
And he knew it was time to go, and then he went. | 0:58:07 | 0:58:12 | |
# Whatever's written in your heart | 0:58:16 | 0:58:20 | |
# That's all that matters | 0:58:20 | 0:58:23 | |
# Yeah | 0:58:23 | 0:58:30 | |
# Night and day | 0:58:31 | 0:58:35 | |
# Night and day | 0:58:35 | 0:58:39 | |
# Yeah | 0:58:41 | 0:58:48 | |
# Night and day | 0:58:48 | 0:58:53 | |
# Night and day. # | 0:58:53 | 0:58:56 |