The Lego Batman Movie, 20th Century Women and Billy Lynn's Long Halftime Walk Film 2017


The Lego Batman Movie, 20th Century Women and Billy Lynn's Long Halftime Walk

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Hello. This is Film 2017. I am Clara Amfo. We are raring to go. With us

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tonight, we are turning down the lights, putting on some sweet music

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and getting all romantic. We want to know some great movies for

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Valentine's Day, so get in touch with us about that. Coming up on the

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show tonight... The Lego Batman Movie, returns to Gotham city.

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Growing up and freaking out. Annette Bening and Elle Fanning star in 20th

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Century Women. And nobody puts this film in the corner. We celebrate the

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wonder of Dirty Dancing 30 years on. Plus, we'll take a look at Billy

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Lynn's Long Halftime Walk. Joining me tonight, Chris Hewitt, full of

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germs, but soldiering on! And Danny Leigh! I'm freelance, this is not

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good! Chris, we need to talk about these socks? Yes, these are my shiny

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socks. You can get anything in this pattern, except, weirdly enough,

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carpet. Do you have boxer shorts to match? I can't say. Later! Now, it

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is the term of the gravelly voiced Will Arnett to bring the caped

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Crusader back to the screen. This is The Lego Batman Movie. I'm home! You

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come in with a big bang and there's some great action. And then it

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shifts a bit and it becomes... Almost like a character movie. He's

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a lonely guy, someone you think has everything. He's got great gadgets

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and vehicles, women love him, but he doesn't have the most important

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thing, which is family. You can't spend the rest of your life alone,

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dressed in black and staying up all night. You need to take

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responsibility for your life, and it starts by raising your son. This is

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the batsman Ravi where he finds family. He actually adopts a child.

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He puts together his own version of family during the course of the

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movie. Wait, does but man live in Bruce Wayne's basement? I have seen

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him in many different years. And that we had one in 1966. I have aged

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phenomenally. You've got absurd Adam west versions of it, you've got

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extremely serious versions of it. So, being able to have our take on

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it was really important. Oh, my goodness, I am so sorry! I had the

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luxury of taking pieces of all of them. Because they all exist, and I

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tried to make him my own. I'm sorry, I literally have no idea what you're

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talking about. Trying to go back to what was the thing that made that

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first television series so successful back in the day. There

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was always an element of tongue in cheek. It was able to not take

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itself too seriously at the end of the day. Hate, but man! We're going

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to have to rename this the Buttmobile! There is something in

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this for everybody. The Lego Batman Movie, selfishly, I took my niece

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and nephew to go and see this film. But it was all about me, not them!

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Is everything still awesome? I think it is, it is just fractionally less

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awesome. A lot of that was because the Lego movie had the huge element

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of surprise. Having seen this pure, joyful and weirdly subversive

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experience, The Lego Batman Movie does not have that element of

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surprise. Instead, it has a barrage of gags. I have never seen a film

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before, where there is a pre-pre- credit sequence. A lot of it is very

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funny. Whether you're a ten-year-old kid, or whatever, it's funny the

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whole way through. I can run the risk of sounding like a film critic

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for a second, I'm sorry! But it is fractionally less awesome and it

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just feels fractionally like a missed opportunity. Do you think

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they tried to pack too many jokes in? I thought, I would rather go and

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see this with my friends then whizz my knee for nephew, it just felt

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like there were too many jokes. -- than with my niece and nephew. I

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like the fact, if you don't like one bad joke, don't worry, another one

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is along in a second. I like the healthy reference for the batsman

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Ravi is, even the rubbish ones! How do you! In that movie, there is no

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doubt about it. The Adam west but man, it goes really deep as well.

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There is mention made of a whole litany of dreadful but man villains.

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At one point he says, it is worth a Google, edited! The cynic in you

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thinks, what could be better than to shift an awful lot of plastic

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bricks, the corporate synergy! But I think there is more than that going

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on. Actually The Lego Movie John Lowe Was Up Perfect Stroke Of

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Genius, To Take This Character. Christian Bale can never play

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batsman ever again. That ship has now sailed. The body of jokes... I

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just kept thinking, somewhere, Christopher Nolan is having every

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joke explained to him. I felt like this film was a bit of a joke take

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on the typical macho batsman that we have come to love from Christian

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Bale's portrayal? I do not want to pick holes in this because it is a

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wonderful experience in many ways, but it cannot help becoming a bit of

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a superhero movie, after a while. It is having fun with that idea, but in

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the end it just becomes another batsman film. I think the problem is

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with but man himself. He's great in small doses, but when he has to

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carry a whole movie on his very small shoulders, it does greater

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bit, after a while. Is a bit swaggering. He is great at stealing

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the scene. They try to impart an emotional back story on him and give

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him some depth - it doesn't really work. It's a little bit like if you

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took his character from Arrested Development and you gave him his own

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90 minute movie, you would be going after a while, I'm not sure about

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this guy. We have to give a bit of love to Michael Cera. It is amazing

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how many people give their best performances, at three inches high.

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I have never been able to stand Michael Cera, but this is great,

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once he's reduced down to that level. The whole cast, Rosario

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Dawson and Ralph Fiennes as well. I think we all got to know Rosario

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Dawson as a promiscuous teenager, not in real life, can we stress?!

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For fantastic. There is a huge amount of funny going on in this, I

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realise that I have been nit-picking. That's the batsman will

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in you! Next up, 20th Century Women. This is a new film from director

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Mike Mills. His last film, Beginners, was inspired by the life

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of his father. This time it is the turn of his mum, and it stars the

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fabulous Annette Bening, in what has been called a love letter to mothers

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everywhere. We are at a turning point in our history. As you know,

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there is a growing disrespect for government. It is a crisis of

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confidence. It's America in 1979, and it's about a mother

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coming-of-age, trying to figure out her son. And a son coming-of-age

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were trying to figure out his mother. Inking you know everything

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that's going on. No, I just held that having your heart broken is a

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tremendous way to learn about the world. Mike Mills wrote and directed

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the movie. He was very much intrigued by both of his parents. It

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is always about the mother. This is about the mother. She was the

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catalyst, but it became really another character to play. Do you

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think you're happy? Seriously? You don't ask people questions like

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that. She is a very context woman in her own right. And of course, all

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real mothers are, it's just that we've spent so much time either

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idealising mothers or on the other hand making them into the bad

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mother. Whereas Dorothea is just a human mother who makes some

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mistakes, and then also she gets a lot right. Jamie, would you please

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wait for Abbie? Hold on, I'm menstruating. When we were actually

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shooting, we mostly used the dialogue, but then we would have a

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chance to do a scene, and he would say, say whatever you want. Your

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menstruating, OK, but do you have to say it? And some of the best moments

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came from those times when we were able to speak from the heart. Just

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say menstruation, it's not a big deal, start saying it now.

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Menstruation. Not bad. Let's say it together! Menstruation. I can't say

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it. So, 20th Century Women, Chris, would you say this film shows you

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don't have to be a teenager to come of age? Absolutely, I went into this

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one, I must confess, with slight trepidation. I love character

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studies, I'm love movies which are slightly plotless, but I was a bit

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concerned that this might be a bit too twee. And it is that, but it is

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a movie that has tonnes of compassion for its characters. It is

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full of wit and warmth and wisdom. It only has one Oscar nomination,

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which is for Best Original Screenplay, for Mike Mills. And it

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deserves it, it is fantastic. It is a bit like a bat man movie, in that

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every minute or so brings a new one minor, but this time, they are

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covered in emotional depth. It is a wonderful movie, and it's built on

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these incredible performances. Annette Bening, for me, she is the

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star of the film, but I love her stance because she is the most

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reluctant feminist icon, I guess! She is a woman bringing up this

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child by herself, she talks to him as if he's an adult. It seems in the

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film as if he almost wants more parental control? That's one of the

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things I love about it. The period detail is so good, the sense of time

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and place. In 1979 in California, you realise what it means to like

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Talking Heads. And also Black Flak. It is about mothers and sons, being

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a boy or a girl, a man or a woman. It could be a coming-of-age story,

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it is the kind of story that a lot of directors of a certain age end up

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producing, sensitive, slightly weird. It says, OK, so this

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15-year-old's life is important, but also, he has got this mother. In

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another film, she would be standing there with a cake at the doorway

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being supportive, or she would be conspicuous by her absence.

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Actually, this film gets half the film at least two Annette Bening.

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There's such richness of character. It's all about her childhood and

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oppression, she's bohemian but she's also so good with money. So there is

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a real richness, which is very, very unusual. And there is a warmth I

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think without being sentimental. And there is a cleverness, without being

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precious. It is like Wes Anderson if everything was not in quote marks.

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It is a very democratic movie as well.

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Seeing what Greta Gerwig goes through, it is played beautifully.

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The film likes all its characters. Any film will get bored with at

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least one of its characters but here, there are great scenes of

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people dancing in their bedrooms and it is as if the movie wants to

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invite us in. There is a real charm to it. Can we try and say it

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together? Menstruation. There we go. Moving on, it made a star of Patrick

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Swayze and it made putting Baby in the corner unacceptable. Dirty

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Dancing is 30 years old. There is a rumour that someone in this room has

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not seen it. Its mix of sex and sound made it a head for me and I

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even liked the sequel. I know I am not alone.

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# Now I've had the time of my life. You know how when you watch a film

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for the first time and it has an amazing cult following and you think

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it cannot live up to those expectations and this was one of the

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few films that really did. My mother really did not want me to see it

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because it had the word dirty and the title. It's not illegal is it?

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It was the first movie I saw in which people had sex. That was the

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summer of 1963 when everyone called me Baby. It is the moment when he

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jumps off the stage and moves down the aisle. It is like a magnet, it

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pulls me in. I cannot think of a single girl that I know who has not

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tried to recreate those Dirty Dancing moves. I think I sprained my

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wrists trying to lift someone at a wedding once. The dams in the film

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is not easy. It is technical. This is my dance face and this is your

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dance space. It is beautifully choreographed. Turner, Turner... My

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favourite scene is the montage to Hungry Eyes.

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# Hungry eyes. Twist. It is so 1980s and so lovely and heartfelt. I like

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that you can see how much Patrick Swayze does not like Jennifer Grey.

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He found her annoying. Those are real outtakes. You have to

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concentrate! Is this your idea of fun! He was a sensational dancer. So

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when he was given someone like Jennifer Grey, his heart must have

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gone, oh please! He uses dancing as sex. I mean it is body to body,

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touch, feel, hold, grab, it is like making love. It is just a massive

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sweatbox of self. The movie uses dancing as a metaphor for the sexual

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awakening of Baby. The better dancer she is, the more sexually has and

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the better dancer she becomes. Patrick Swayze did not have a bone

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in his body that was not sexy. It started in his little toe and

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finished at the hair on his head. His ads are incredible. This is peak

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Patrick Swayze. Look at him. Oh my god! Boys and men are grossed out

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when they see the camera going all over Patrick Swayze and I say, this

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is what it is like being a woman in the cinema all the time! Enjoy! O

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God, it is hopeless. Don't say that. I think there are so many things

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going on in Dirty Dancing. It gets quite dark and serious with the

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abortion theme with penny. He did not use either or nothing. The guy

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had a dirty knife and a folding table. It is a movie that has real

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smarts, not just a movie with a funny soundtrack. It will be fine.

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It is a movie about the importance of pro-choice, a movie that

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celebrates female sexuality, and movie that celebrates her

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objectification of men. This is not a tragedy. It is one of the greatest

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Amadis movies of all time. It is one of these films that is referenced by

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people all the time. You will note those quotable lines. Carry a

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watermelon! I think everyone knows the phrase spaghetti arms and it is

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not complimentary. Where is my beige lipstick? Baby, stand up straight. I

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love to watch your hair blowing in the breeze. There is one line in

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this film which everyone says. Nobody puts Baby in the corner! What

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does that even mean? What? There is a reason everyone still quote said.

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Lines do not last for 30 years without good reason. It is not easy

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to write a fun, funny teen movie with a smart script. And if you want

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the time of your life, you can catch Dirty Dancing in cinemas nationwide

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on February the 14th. I have got some of your tweets for your

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favourite Valentine's Day movies. He says you cannot beat Some Like It

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Hot. Some people said My Bloody Valentine. One guy says Star Wars,

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if the guy does not like them, she is not a keeper. It is everything.

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If you sit through the Phantom Menace, you're a keeper. Jonathan

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Harvey has spoken. Next up is Billy Lynn's Long Halftime Walk from the

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Oscar-winning director Ang Lee. Joe Alwyn stars as Billy home from the

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Iraq war and reluctantly held as a military hero. It is going down.

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What? I play Billy and he is a soldier and he finds himself thrown

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into this extraordinary situation. He is caught on camera in this

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suppose it act of heroism and the footage goes viral back home and

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they are brought back to America for this victory tour. It is weird being

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honoured for the worst day of your life. And the film takes place over

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the course of the day as he is trying to figure out the kind of

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madness and the circumstances around him and figure out who he is and

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where he belongs in all of that. I cannot imagine what you went through

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personally. I think it is the human drama about the growth of the young

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person. It is really good to have you back, Little Brother. It is

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about war and how to do with it, how they go through that. How they grow

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and mature. When you are decorated hero, you have done your part. There

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is no shame in it. I did my research. I made a commitment. To

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what? We know why you signed up. What to say? I'm going back. The

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book is a reflection of that time. It is also very timely and when I

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was cutting the movie after I shot it, the election started. So I was

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watching how the movie had fashioned and how the reality, was passing

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out. Your story Billy, no longer belongs to you. It is the irony and

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the contrast between what really happened and the public perception

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of them. What really happened over there? The latest bomb Ang Lee,

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Billy Lynn's Long Halftime Walk. A film that I found quite conflicting

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to watch. The way it was shot, I found I was watching a really well

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made for television movie. Most movies are shot in 24 frames per

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second and this is shot in 120 frames per second. It produces a new

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clarity of image and it effectively removes the barrier. It removes the

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barrier between the viewer and the screen and it doesn't quite work. It

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is a little bit too hyper real and it does not have the motion blur

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that the Hobbit had. It is a little bit off-putting and visually bland

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as well, which surprised me given the technology behind it and the

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cinematographer. Too many frames per second. It is impossible to get

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beyond. It is a shame, some were buried in their is a provocative

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film about America and war. I could not make eye contact with this

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movie. It looks so slick and jarring, like having a conversation

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with someone who takes all the clothes off. You're not attracted to

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them. You cannot focus, it is not happening. You think it is unsightly

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and you do not want to carry on the conversation. Ang Lee is a gifted

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director, but he makes these strange mistakes of judgment. I do not know

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why he would have made the film like that because the hobbit was hard

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work as well. There was a rational behind it, but a lot of this film is

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made up of characters on concrete steps and there is no reason for

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this to be in 3-D. Even though the film did slide in parts, it was

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really ambitious for Joe Alwyn, his first movie ever, young British guy,

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addition for Ang Lee a few times and he really stood out. He is the

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start. I found he played the role quite tenderly. It did not seem like

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he had become ruined by what he saw. He could have been a lung in the

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wrong hands but he brings a tenderness and sensitivity to him

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which is refreshing. Everyone is solid in this movie, including

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Garrett Hedlund. It is difficult, there is an amazing set piece, a

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moment where everything comes together, the half-time walk and the

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look of the film makes sense, you can see the soldiers are there with

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Destiny 'S Child. They are teetering on the brink of freaking out and you

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can see why it is suddenly all connecting. In terms of the

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performances, they get lost and buried. That is unfortunate, the

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performances outweighed the film for me. The best performance is

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Christian Stewart. Every time she is on screen, you notice. I'm just

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happy to see her not playing Bella and I think she is happy. We will

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move onto the film the week. 20th Century Women. I really liked The

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Lego Batman Movie. You are taking me to 20th Century Women. That is

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almost dead. Right here on the sofa next week will be my friend and the

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sofa is not quite as uncomfortable as it looks. I will leave you with

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something exciting, a first look at The Beguiled. Its star as Elle

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Fanning and Nicole Kidman as the inhabitants of a girl skilfully

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taken an injured soldier pled by: Farrell. Good night. -- a girls

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school. Girls, we all need to help. Quickly,

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he is losing blood. I prayed that the Lord see fit to restore the

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health of the wounded soldier. We asked for protection over our school

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and we pray that we will be kept from harm throughout the night.

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Amen. Seems like the soldier being here is having an effect. If you

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could have anything in the world, what would be? To be taken far from

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here. We can show him some real Southern hospitality. This has

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taught us all a very important lesson. Can I get you anything? The

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enemy is not what we believe.

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Host Clara Amfo is joined by critics Danny Leigh and Chris Hewitt to chat about The Lego Batman Movie, starring Will Arnett, Annette Bening's critically acclaimed performance in 20th Century Women, and director Ang Lee's latest film, Billy Lynn's Long Halftime Walk.