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Hello there, this is Film 2017 and I'm Nihal Arthanayake.


I'm here because of diversity, perhaps you've noticed that so far


this year not a single presenter of this show was born




So now that that box is ticked, let's carry on.


No matter which county you hail from, though,


Tonight we're talking the wonder of Denzel,


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Right, coming up on the show tonight...


One life in three acts. Who is you? Mahershala Ali and Naomie Harris


shine in coming-of-age drama Moonlight.


Ladies who launch. Taraji Henson, Octavia Spencer and are now Mornay


star as three figures. There should be McDonald's everywhere,


franchisor. Michael Keaton stands in the cap next founder.


Plus Denzel Washington puts the Pitts in Pittsburgh while directing


himself in Fences. Joining me on the Arsenal coloured sofa which is


putting me in a rash, trying to separate the Leicester of last


season from this season, our critics Rihanna and Danny.


2017 is only two months deep, but director


Barry Jenkins' intimate drama, Moonlight is already being hailed


Nominated for eight Oscars, yeah, I said it - eight Oscars -


it's the story of a Miami boy's sexual awakening, told at three very


I found him yesterday. Moonlight is the story of this character Chiron.


It's a coming-of-age story but told in three chapters. Basically, we're


kind of just watching this guy figure out who he is.


At some point you have to decide for yourself. You can't let nobody make


that decision for you. He's coming to terms with this


aspect of his identity, but as he is he's realising very quickly the


world does not accept this aspect of his identity, so he starts to crawl


within himself. What's wrong? Nothing.


It's a beautiful story. It's a story about the others, the ones who are


outside of the tribe, who are not totally embraced for who they are


and made to feel ashamed. Why you didn't, like you were supposed to?


All these kind of stereotypes and identity issues are being explored


and broken down, and the beautiful thing about this film in particular,


I think, is it just says ultimately where all the same, which all


struggling with the same issues. We have a universal desire for love and


connection and for that we have to be vulnerable, to let someone else


in. You're my only and I'm your own way.


This is a story about love in its purest sense.


What you're looking at me like that for?


I think the film is therapeutic in some eyes. Sometimes you don't know


that you need to release something, that you need to connect to someone


else's journey, so you can be informed and educated on what other


people process and deal with. And it gives you energy and life.


You can always see yourself in these characters. I've been one of the


others, I've been one of those on the outside, not totally embraced,


as so many other people have. So I think in that way, the film is


universal. So, everybody I spoke to has been


utterly enchanted by this film. Does it warrant all the hype and the


eight Oscar nominations, Danny? It absolutely does. Masterpieces is a


word that's used altogether too much but sometimes it's the only word


that fits. Moonlight is a masterpiece. It's a small film,


because $1.5 million, and that is some people's dog grooming money!


It's a simple film and lots of ways because lets a few scenes about


three different phases in the life of a boy who then becomes a


teenager, who then becomes a man but it's so alive and it says so much


and it says it cinematically. Movies are always trying to reinvent


themselves. James Cameron is in Dracula's Castle working out how to


engage people technologically. Moonlight does it with a camera and


a face. And a small budget as you said. Rihanna, can I get you to


disagree with Danny about Moonlight? I would love to disagree with Danny


because I think maybe he would implode! But I have to agree. This


is a stunning piece of cinema. This is a film that's got, I think, an


all-black cast. It's about a boy that's gay, but it never feels like


an issues movie. Does it not? Does it really not? In the current


political climate, a year on from Oscars Too White, you see this


African-American ensemble cast. This is in production before. I think


this was originally a play that never got produced. I think we can


say it's the most original film in our line-up tonight of them and it


does feel like that, and it doesn't feel like you can really define it


or put in a box and I think that's really cool. What do you think of


the three stages of his life and the three actors that playback? The lack


of physical resemblance? The movie is filled with these big,


fearless decisions that is the biggest and most famous of all.


Three actors, all quite inexperienced. There's not much


physical resemblance, but I think that's beautiful, it's a classic


example of show, don't tell. Instead of saying we go through changes in


life, you have a visual illustration, lots of us, we make


all kinds of changes to ourselves and the worlds we put ourselves in


but we're still made of the same stuff. Barry Jenkins has said this


about that casting choice, that it was all about the eyes, the eyes of


the windows to the soul and he sees that. There is a kind of coldness in


those eyes, because the vulnerability and the coldness, and


it's really, really fascinating. The camera is always moving in Moonlight


but it always ends up on someone's face. It's like that line in Sunset


Boulevard, in the days of silent movies you had faces, and you have


in Moonlight. That's why people are making such a connection with this


movie. The thing to say about Moonlight, it's not critics movie.


We're talking about it very excitedly but I've been previews of


this film the last couple weeks, and people are sitting there are very


sincerely, spontaneously in floods of tears. It does two things at


once, delicate and power. White Rihanna, what about that opening


scene? Where he is Little before he becomes Chiron and then Black. Did


he feel real to you? Did it feel genuine, did you think a drug


dealer, someone who is a crack cocaine dealer would have that and


they question up absolutely. I think the reason is because of Mahershala


Ali's performance. But he's not very in it very much. On paper you could


say this is a boy growing up in an all-black neighbourhood, his mum is


a drug addict and the only father figure he has is a drug dealer. Yet,


there is something so much more real and human about this than so many


other films. This is an social realism or gritty, this is so


beautiful to look at. The cinematography. The sound, the music


is extraordinary. That use of the chamber orchestra, but then going to


the people who wrote the score and saying, can you make something that


is very, very different? It's almost as if someone producing track beat


that using a chamber orchestra and reinventing it that way. It's not


what you expect from this kind of film. OK, we need to move on.


Next is Hidden Figures, the real life story of three


African American female mathematicians who helped Nasa shoot


Taraji P Henson, Janelle Monae and Oscar nominee Octavia Spencer


play the human computers dealing with prejudice.


Bringing a whole different meaning to the term Space race.


You have a identification only customer Nasser. I had no idea...


Quite a few women working at the space programme. She can handle any


number you throw at her. This was an empty glass like. I'm sorry, I'm not


feed... She should be an engineer. I'm a black woman, I'm not going to


entertain the impossible. We need a spaceship, we are living the


impossible. The IBM data processing system. Hit it, girl. Nasa doesn't


commission females that the space programme to stop every time we have


a chance to get ahead... There's no protocol for women attending. You


should all be thankful for your jobs at all. I don't even know if I can


keep up. You're better with the numbers than anyone in that cabinet.


You've been gone for 300 hours. You're not where I needed to be,


where'd you every day? The coloured bathroom is a mile away. It's good


to know Nasser hasn't given up on good old-fashioned brainpower.


Friendship seven has experienced some sort of malfunction. It's


getting a little hot in here. We are in the fight of our lives, people.


Hidden Figures, made for some $25 million. Took that in its opening


weekend at US box office and has gone on to take more money than La


La Land so far. Why do you think a film about three African-American


mathematicians, female African-American mathematicians, has


done so well and connected with such a big audience? I think that's


precisely why it's done so well for all the reasons you said. Didn't you


all know about this? Without anyone didn't know the story? It's talking


about these incredibly smart women and bringing them to the fore. They


become role models for young people growing up, not just in America and


not just black little girls who I'd seen dressing up as their heroines.


These women, although that is so lovely and sweet


to see... This is telling a story that we should have heard about a


long, long time ago. I think it's really important this is being told,


but it's being told in a very Hollywood kind of style. That's


important. The form and structure is very Hollywood and I think that is


possibly why it's being accessible for so that's a great thing. What


about the schmaltz stopped writing that's the great thing. What about


the best to mug you mention that term Hollywood, I was watching it,


of feel Theodore Melfi said in those blank spaces, where you have do kind


of Hollywood. But there are parts of this very schmaltzy. Identified so


that, I think it's a deft, in the narrative, he didn't want to make it


to Hollywood. But there are parts of this very schmaltzy. Identified by


that, I think it's a deft, clever, crowd movie. I think you could have


a documentary version and I would happily watch that but what you


won't have is the joy of the performances. Actually, what is


admirable about the movie is the fact this isn't just the story of


one black woman who has to represent all black movie. I think you could


have a documentary version and I would happily watch that but what


you won't have is the joy of the performances. Actually, what's


admirable about the movie is that this isn't just the story of one


black woman who has to represent all. What is a joy on the practice


of that is seeing Taraji Henson do you have a crush on do you have a


crush on her? A the dynamic between the three of them, with Octavia


Spencer and the dynamic between the three of them, with Octavia Spencer


and. I think an element of. I'm fine. I'm fine with incredible


business. Because it has done incredible business. It is


ultimately a universal story. It's a story about people going up against


the odds and quite outrageous pods. Just having to walk a mile, for


instance, to go to the coloured bathroom. Couldn't even go and, it's


clearly resonated with people because it is ultimately a universal


story. It's a story about people going up against the odds and quite


outrageous pods. Just having to walk a mile, for instance, to go to the


coloured bathroom. Couldn't even go and Kevin Nasa wheel pit the same


colour. You don't lose any of the heft and urgency of the human rights


issue. You have it colliding with this interesting moment in history,


the space race and America being terrified of Russia. Simultaneously


with advancements in the civil rights movement. You say that but a


lot of this film is about the was encroaching on the space of these


incredible black actresses. That was times? Yes yes and yes. Yes and yes,


they couldn't even go in the toilet. We keep talking about this toilet


scene because everyone must've seen that in the trailer. The whole point


was she couldn't go to the toilet. In real life she stood up to them


and said yes, I'm going to this white, in the form of someone like


Kevin Costner. That was frustrating a little bit because it felt like he


was encroaching on the space of these incredible black actresses.


That was the reality of the times? Yes and yes. Yes and yes, they


couldn't even go in the toilet. We keep talking about this toilet scene


because everyone must have seen that in the trailer. The whole point was


she couldn't go to the toilet. In real life she stood up to them and


said yes, I'm going to this white toilet. I think that so much more


exciting. When the is wealthy enough with this fantastic experience, I


think they should have used that. It's to be in the middle. I think


there is some charm and spark to this thing, so much wit point. I'm


going to be in the middle. I think there is some charm and spark to


this thing, so much Next up is Fences, based


on August Wilson's Pulitzer It's directed by and stars


Denzel Washington. He's Troy, a garbage


man in 50s Pittsburgh, coming to terms with a life


unfulfilled, and how the ramifications of that


frustration poisons nearly Viola Davis co-stars


as his long suffering wife. I wish Taraji Henson has got the


Oscar nomination. We need to move I go out of here every morning and I


butt, a man is supposed to Fences is about a story in care of his family.


Fences is about a Pittsburgh, and at the centre is Troy, a basketball


player, but he missed out basketball player, but he missed out because


they didn't want black about how he basically affect his family, his


wife it's about how he basically affect his family, his wife, his


son. Can I ask you a question? It's about the relationships, father


and sons, a tight-knit family that falls apart. As long as you're in


I've been right here with you. I've got a life too. 18 years of my life


to stand in the same spot as you. Don't you think I've wanted other


things, don't you think I had dreams and hopes? What about my life? Wow.


Denzel and Viola and the top of their game. You have a son and I


have a son. Tell me what you thought of Fences. Before that, I want to


talk about Denzel. People have been talking about their favourite films


of his. Luke says that his favourite is Glory, saying he deserved his


Academy Awards. David says, anything where he kicks butt. He says that


Flight is amazing. What did you think of Fences? Did it transferred


to the screen from the stage? That's the thing, there is no one I would


rather see performing plan Denzel Washington and Viola Davis. Every


information is exactly right, every pause is the right pause. It feels


to me like Denzel has taken the camera and film the play. I think a


film and they play should be different things. Such power and


grace, it is like watching a trapeze artist. I want to see the film.


People will say that it is great performances and writing and that


should be enough but when you go to the RSC, they don't show a movie and


say it is a great performance. Why shouldn't you be able to take that


amazing writing, comparing it to the other films we've seen is, the power


of language, the force and beauty, like scores of paratroopers coming


out of a plane at once, it was amazing. Why should that not be an


ace cinema screen? Theatre is a much smaller audience. Bringing the power


of words into people's lives. You need to break it out more. You turn


it into cinema. Moonlight, there are lines which are every bit as


graceful and powerful as there are in Fences and Moonlight has the


image. Not with the Cirque du Soleil, the words you see in Fences.


It is an extraordinary performance. What do you think? When you get over


the play thing, you are watching a play it's all about the... I know,


my God, it is about the fragile male ego and that is all Denzel


Washington. That can be quite preachy in anybody is's hands but


seeing him at the beginning, you want to be in his company, he seems


like so much fun. It is as much about her. She brings out the light


in him and when he starts to back away you see the darkness creeping


into him and I think that's fascinating, seeing them playing off


each other. It is so multilayered, more so than Moonlight in what it


says. Not going to get into that! We can do that later! Round the back of


the sofa. Denzel's performance is extraordinary, he has this


physicality. The thing with Washington, such a movie star and it


is rare for movie stars to disappear into roles because even when they


are great actors you are aware that they are movie stars. Violet Davis


-- Viola Davis, there are moments when it is almost like it is a real


person, you forget she is an actress. The writing is fantastic


but it is Theatre. Moonlight is so self-consciously cinema, this is


just a great human story. So are surely has to have room to project


great human stories. Denzel made the point, he did not want the


directorial flourishes. I think that's right, he concentrated on the


right things because you walk away from the cinema thinking, I want to


see more of those two, they deserve Oscars for that. In that case, don't


open it up at all, genuinely film the play and have it live on


Broadway and have cinema screenings and then you have the spontaneity,


the actors being in front of you, even in the cinema. You don't get


the sense of 1951 Pittsburgh in quite the same way. You are in


someone's backyard. Michael Keaton stars as Ray Kroc,


the man who supersized a small Californian family-run restaurant


into the burger building, shake sucking, happy meal touting


empire that is McDonalds today. McDonald. Care for a tour? We wanted


something different and that is where my brother comes up with one


of his brilliant ideas. The order is ready in 30 seconds. There was no


McDonald's before Ray Brock -- Ray Kroc turned it into McDonald's as we


know it. A new American church, and it isn't just open on Sundays, boys.


We don't make McDonald's look like a bad thing, if anything it looks like


an amazing thing. Revolutionary? That's exactly what it is. Nothing


to do with whether the hamburgers are any good, it is to do with this


thing that occurred. There should be a McDonald's everywhere, franchise


the thing. Franchise, franchise, franchise. Ray, no! I had no


interest in trying to make him likeable. I didn't try to go out of


my way to make him an likeable, I just read the script and help to


tell the story. Did you mortgage our home? He works hard, he saw what


someone could be and he put in the time and the sweat to be successful


and that I really admire. You want to be owning the land upon which the


burger is cooked. What I don't admire is how he then took it and


almost sadistically empowered himself not just for the money but


for the power is off. There is a wolf in the hen house and we let him


in. -- empower himself. Contracts are made to be broken. So, why


should any of these lovely people watching Film 2017 go and see a film


about McDonald's? Because it's a corporation and, you know, people


didn't do that for the Social Network, although they did and


that's what's brilliant about this film, following a similar path, two


brothers, Mac and Dick McDonald. And he is a Big Mac, that brother. He


has a similar thing of somebody coming and stealing the idea. Pretty


much word for word and Michael Keaton is the perfect guy to do


that. It is equally funny, very witty, fast paced editing and it's


entertaining. And it's nasty. You look at him and you think, you are


despicable but there is something I admire about what you managed to do.


What does your attitude towards Ray Kroc say about your politics?


Interesting question, are you mentioning the keyword? -- the T


word? Is Ray Kroc a Donald Trump like character? Whether you see him


as a narcissist, someone who is willing to do over those lovely


wholesome American brothers, or whether he is an innovator, living


the American dream, someone with the purpose and focus to make it big? He


is a kind of American genius, a conman who can see the perfect way


to tap into people's psychology. Michael Keaton is great casting, you


think of Bird man, these splashy performances, it's always about


Michael Keaton. Early in the movie you see him as this slightly sweaty,


seedy salesman who isn't quite dead yet stop he lifts somebody else's


idea and starts an empire and there is a fascinating American story. He


can see what the brothers don't, how to transfer it into millions and


millions of identical burgers. There is a point when Dick says, why don't


you steal my idea, and he said he could of done that but it is about


the name, McDonald's, it can mean anything. You see the real-life


footage of him saying it towards the end and it is chilling. Startling


that he got away with this. Similar to Hidden Figures, amazing that we


don't know this story. Do we want to know? No one is particularly


likeable? It's interesting because the brothers are very likeable,


that's a bit dishonest. A bit boring. But they are wholesome,


those wholesome milkshakes. They are the guys who come up with the


automation and when they are explaining the business model, the


first thing that comes up, they sack the waitresses and you see them


vanishing. UCB wholesome diet sacking them. If you think, if you


are Mike Ashley you are seeing him thinking, they are geniuses. We are


running out of time and I need your film of the week. No prizes for


guessing. It must be Moonlight, everyone's favourite. Hidden


Figures, but Moonlight is a masterpiece. Big enough to see from


space. May your eyes ever be shrouded in sweating because Fences.


It isn't bold. I'm going to ask if I can be in a


Colonel Sanders biopic. Next week, Edith Bowman.


That's it from me, but I'll leave you with an early look at the much


Scarlett Johansson stars as a cyborg cop in this live action remake


I saw someone down there. He wasn't human. He's a known terrorist and


killed again. He didn't just kill them, he hacked into their brains. I


will find him. And I will kill him. You never talked about your past. I


don't remember much, just fragments. There was an attack, you were dying


and we save you. And now, you save others. Everything they told you was


a lie. You had a family. What are you? What a beauty you are. They


didn't save your life. They stole it. How many were there before me?


She was supposed to have a clean brain. I order you to terminate.


They created me but they cannot Are you ready for the next


ten years? I'm pregnant. You won't notice I'm gone.


We've already started interviewing. People are always looking


for the next hot young thing. I'm ready.


It's only for a couple of months. She thinks you'll be away


a lot longer than that. I want you to stop cuttingly me out


of conversations with my client. She's moving in on everyone.


I'm trying to look out for you.


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