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Stand by as the listeners to the biggest radio show in the country

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are given their own TV show.

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Norman!

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Anne-Marie.

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Marie!

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Bernie.

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Carmel.

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Mervyn...

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and Heidi.

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Radio Face is not recorded live

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but after the programme has finished,

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these are real listeners to The Nolan Show,

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continuing the conversation while I stay in the studio

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and they speak to me from their own homes and cars.

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RADIO PLAYS COUNTRY STYLE SONG

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# Did you ever get a ride, did you ever get a ride?

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# Did you ever get a ride on a tractor?

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-Could you put those on double speed?

-No.

-This is really dangerous.

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# Did you ever get a ride on a tractor?

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# No, I never had a ride on a tractor

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# Did you ever get a ride on a tractor? #

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# No, I never got a ride, never got a ride

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# Never got a ride on a tractor!#

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Dopey, dopey tractors! They drive you absolutely insane!

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Don't they? Why are we talking about this today?

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Well, a consultation has begun

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about raising the speed limit for tractors

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from 20 to 25mph.

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A big jump of 5mph there.

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Will it make any difference?

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Patrick McNicol is a sheep farmer. Morning, Patrick.

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-Is it me you're talking to now?

-Yes, Patrick.

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Hello. We're just going about our business. We're just like yourself.

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We're very considerate people

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because, you see, we're only like you boys doing our business,

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90% of the time. You know, because you're driving through our farmland.

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-We have to go about our work too, you know.

-Get off the road!

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-What do we do? Buy helicopters?

-You what?

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I couldn't make out a bloody thing that man was saying.

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But here, Stephen, on a personal note,

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have you ever had a ride on a tractor?

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They're not supposed to be on the road. Don't they have red diesel?

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Get over yourself!

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They're taxed and insured. They're entitled to be on the road.

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They're doing a very valuable job.

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There should be a rule that when one of you lot are on the road

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on your tractor, if there's a car behind you,

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you should be required to pull in.

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I agree with you 100%. Correct!

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Well, why don't yous do it?

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Well, if they build the roads in such a way as we can pull in.

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Where were we to go?

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Trundling along on our roads. Seriously! Back me up here.

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We are living in a rural economy.

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And if a tractor has to drive slowly from field to field

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and I'm on a country lane,

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then I'm quite happy to sit in behind him.

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-But, I tell you something, they'll be fecked!

-Fecked all right.

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Especially the ones that raise cattle for slaughtering,

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-for meat. Or the sheep.

-I think that's terrible.

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I would say they have a quare bank.

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I've a lot of sheep. They're not good at the present time.

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We're taking a pure hammer.

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-How many sheep do you have?

-I wouldn't know - I've sold one.

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You never know how many sheep you have.

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You know how many you have if somebody stole some,

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but you wouldn't be running about counting them all the time.

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Thank you, Patrick!

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What did I tell you?

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If it wasn't for a tractor, digging up your spuds,

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-what would you have for your dinner?

-Rice.

-You need it.

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I think the farmers drive their tractors really slow

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just to get up the townies' noses.

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You think the farmers do it for badness? Why do you say that?

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Sometimes, I think,

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just to slow the traffic up sometimes,

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-I would say.

-Everybody's always in a rush!

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It is very annoying sometimes.

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You're out on the road and you get a tractor,

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especially if you're in a hurry going to Newcastle, or somewhere.

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Say, blooming tractor's stuck on the front of me here.

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I say, wait a minute,

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who puts the stuff on the plate in front of you?

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Your fried egg and your bacon and your sausages?

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They're going to the farmers? If we hadn't them, what would we do?

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The thing is, I don't know how you would solve it.

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The only solution to it's patience.

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Do you remember the time, Anne-Marie, seeing Stephen Nolan

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-on that farm, talking about that tractor business?

-Yes.

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Cleaning up all the cows' geek.

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You look like something out of Little Britain

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but you didn't have your PVC stuff on.

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While the cows are in the parlour, I'm cleaning out their barn and...

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Ooh! ..does it need it?

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I just... Eurgh!

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HE GAGS AND GASPS

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COWS MOO

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I can't!

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HE RETCHES

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MOOING CONTINUES

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HE GROANS LOUDLY WHILE VOMITING

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MORE LOUD GROANS

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Could you not be more of a man and boaked off camera?

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Only wimps haven't got a stomach.

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So he'll know the next time he goes to the farm

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not to have anything to eat.

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-But then how long? Stephen wouldn't have an empty stomach.

-No.

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-It would have to be filled.

-Yeah.

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He couldn't go without his breakfast, lunch, and supper.

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I know. A good fry-up, there, you must have boaked up.

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There was lumps in it.

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I've seen lumpy bits. Hold on. You've been on the farm.

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How do you know what to do with farms and what to do with cows?

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Fresh milk. Put your hand up there.

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Ooh! I think I've hurt it!

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You wouldn't know what a cow looked like.

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Only if you looked in the mirror!

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One end to the other!

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It's 9.00am. It's The Nolan Show on BBC Radio Ulster.

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And, of course, the role of the programme

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is to give you at home the chance to have your say. Pick up the phone.

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-Let's see's who's on line one.

-Craigavon, the best place to live?

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Catch yourself on, it's a complete and utter dump.

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Tell me what you mean by that.

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Unfortunately, my daughter's like her mother.

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She's been gifted with big bones.

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-Hello. How are you?

-Well, listening to these two, how would you be?

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Well, I'm going to give you just as much.

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It just seems to be that we're giving cyclists

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so many little priorities now, aren't we?

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You're so rude it's unbelievable. And stop burping!

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RADIO TUNING THROUGH STATIONS

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Now, breast-feeding's all over the news

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because of comments from the Ukip leader Nigel Farage.

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He said women should not breast-feed in public

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in what he calls "an openly, ostentatious way."

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LAUGHTER

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He says he doesn't have any problem at all

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with women feeding their baby wherever they want

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but they shouldn't do so ostentatiously.

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It all depends who owns the breast.

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If she's an extremely fit, good-looking woman,...

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-You're disgusting.

-..well made, that is OK.

-You're a disgusting specimen.

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If her what-d'you-call-its are hanging on her kneecaps, no.

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It would put you off your sausages, so it would.

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Seeing a woman breast-feed a child.

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I don't want to see a woman breast-feeding a child.

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I've seen my wife doing it. Why am I going to see another woman?

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Would you breast-feed in public?

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-No, because I think...

-She wouldn't be able to hold the baby!

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Do you know my point of view to the people complaining?

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If a woman's breast-feeding and you don't like it, look the other way.

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Mind your own business.

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Well, that's right,

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but all you also have to do is just pull a cardigan over.

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They can cover up, they can put a shawl around them.

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They don't even need to cover up. That's what breasts were for.

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In a recent incident at Claridge's Hotel in London,

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a mother was asked to cover up with a napkin,

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while feeding her baby daughter.

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There were protests outside Claridge's.

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Virginia Blackburn, no less, the columnist of the Daily Express.

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-Good morning, Virginia.

-Hi there.

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You don't want people sitting beside you in a restaurant breast-feeding.

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In fact, you don't even want babies gurgling?

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I have no problem with babies gurgling.

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The point I was making was that babies make an absolute racket

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when they are breast-feeding.

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Never heard that. I breast-fed and it didn't make a racket.

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I think this is a question of appropriate behaviour.

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How people should behave when they are out in public.

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Some women mightn't worry about throwing them out,

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many of them do but, we're living in a day and age

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where people just please themselves and that's the way it goes.

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I suppose they don't care who they offend, or anything.

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Say a woman in a restaurant starts breast-feeding a child beside you.

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Would you not feel uncomfortable? Because I would.

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What they could do, if they didn't want to do it in public,

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they could express the milk and put it into a bottle.

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-And then feed them.

-They could do what?

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You can express it and put it in a bottle.

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A pump on the boob and the pump sucks the milk out.

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Put it into a bottle and the child's still getting the breast milk.

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-I didn't know you could do that.

-That's because you're a man.

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Sure, you've big enough breasts to try it yourself.

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Get a wee bit of a shave around the nipples and then just latch on!

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I'm just laughing grimly here to myself.

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If you are breast-feeding your baby,

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you don't want to be starting him on bottles, as well.

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I'm just looking at the picture of Louise Burns,

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the woman who was asked to cover up. in Claridge's.

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There's a bit of a before and after picture.

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You can see nothing.

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No. You usually can't because the baby's attached to it.

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But that's not really the point.

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People are being exposed to an activity

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which many, many people think should have been done in private.

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My mother's generation

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would not have dreamt of breast-feeding in public.

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It's just modesty, really.

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I think they should have a wee bit of modesty, the people.

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Look at how many doorways is open there. I would say...

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-If you can pass and see someone with their boob out in a doorway.

-No, no!

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I personally couldn't do it and it was very, very emotive for me,

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but I would love for it to be allowed

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and nobody would even raise an eyebrow

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because it's the natural way of things.

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If you go to Claridge's, for goodness' sakes,

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you don't want the sight and the sound of a ratty little baby

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being fed in front of you.

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That's not what you're there for.

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A little baby needs fed. A little baby might be hungry.

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I'm not saying that a baby shouldn't be fed

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but all they asked her was to cover herself with a napkin.

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At the end of the day, people will do it.

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No, they won't, because they feel self-conscious and they don't do it

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because it's that old-fashioned, stuffy attitude.

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"Look what they're doing! She shouldn't be doing that."

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It still exists in our society and it shouldn't.

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I don't have a problem with it.

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She can go to the toilet and, if she wants to breast-feed,

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she can breast-feed it in the woman's toilet.

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Not in front of people who are eating their dinner.

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-I doubt you would eat your dinner in the toilets.

-No, Stephen.

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A woman can take a bottle with her and feed the child.

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Yes, but if she wants to feed the child

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and she wants to have her dinner with the child, then logic follows

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she'd have to go into the toilet and eat her dinner with her child.

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Why? In a filthy, dirty toilet?

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Being a parent, I wouldn't bring a child into a toilet

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to breast-feed.

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-You shouldn't have to.

-Well, it's respect.

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A woman has to have respect.

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Would you pick a Royal Avenue where every woman who has a child

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decides to breast-feed in a Royal Avenue full of women

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breast-feeding children.

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Or men standing in alleyways having a pee in an alleyway.

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That's the road we'd be going down, so it would.

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Once you bring breast-feeding in.

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You're equating it to urination?

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Someone naturally feeding their child?

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Women say breasts and feeding is nature.

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Well, so is a man needing the toilet nature.

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There is no difference.

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Men are going to compare us women breast-feeding and that's natural.

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We can compare them that's going to the toilet

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in the street, cos that's not natural!

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If a man needs to go to the toilet,

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he'll look for the nearest entry.

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If you need the toilet, you need the toilet.

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It's either that or you're going to wet your pants.

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-Fionnuala?

-I don't even know where to start.

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It's really sad, actually. The two things are very different.

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They're both natural bodily functions. They are both necessary.

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If you see a man standing with his back to you,

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obviously urinating, it's still a highly offensive activity.

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You know what I find highly offensive?

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Equating urinating with breast-feeding

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I find highly offensive.

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I'm sure you do but it's an attitude that an awful lot of people share.

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How would you feel if you were sitting in your car

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eating a KFC and somebody came along and pissed up beside the car?

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That's completely different, isn't it?

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You'd get up and beat the fuck out of him.

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Put it this way, it's the same as a woman's chest hanging out

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when she is breast-feeding.

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Would you fuck up and give me a chance?

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There was a thing on Facebook of a woman had this wee device

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and she could stand up and piddle!

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WIND HOWLS AND BELL TOLLS

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I've told you, inside voice should stay inside.

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-Well...

-STEPHEN LAUGHS

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My wife was going to the Kennedy Centre on Patrick's Day

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with my seven-year-old son,

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and there was three individuals

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pissing in the residential street where we live.

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And, you know, there is a responsibility

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in all of us to show respect.

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Stephen, I've been down to Belfast with the wife

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and I asked the council

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"Where's the toilets in Belfast for people to go to?"

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I have to go away to Castle Court shopping centre to get a toilet.

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Thankfully, I have no trouble with the plumbing system

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but there's other people, maybe, not as fortunate as I am

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and will just take a chance

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and when they have to get in a doorway, or somewhere,

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on course just trying to hold on.

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Maybe if they stop funding the like of the Irish Language Centres

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and the Ulster Scots,

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maybe they could use that money to put pop-up toilets in the city.

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I wonder what a tourist would say coming to Belfast

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and he needs to go to the toilet and can't find a toilet.

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Radio Face, where the stars of the Nolan radio programme

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get their own TV show.

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RADIO TUNES THROUGH CHANNELS

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A devastated mother has contacted The Nolan Show

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after her profoundly disabled daughter was told

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she was not welcome to stay in the seat she was in

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at a pantomime at the Grand Opera House.

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Other members of the audience

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had complained about the noise her daughter was making.

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Amy has toys 24 hours a day.

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It's how she engages in life and enjoys life.

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If she doesn't have a toy, she can't engage in anything.

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She gets all her sensory stimulation from them.

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Within 20 minutes,

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I was aware that staff were watching from the sides.

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And then I was approached by a lady who I assumed was management

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who said that the toys would have to be removed from Amy.

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You paid for it, surely you want to go and get it in peace.

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And the wee girl wanted to go too so... Why take her along to the show

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if she didn't want to listen?

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She couldn't listen to the phone or radio or whatever

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she has playing and follow the show at the same time.

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See the ones that complained? They should've been removed.

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Because if it's a pantomime, pantomimes are for children.

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-Aye.

-They are not for adults.

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That child had no more interest in what was going on in the

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Opera House than the man on the moon.

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That lady sitting behind and all the people

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sitting behind they couldn't hear what was going on up there at all.

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I would have asked her to move.

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-Well...

-I would have asked her to move.

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But hold on a wee second, people paid their money.

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They paid their money too.

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It's not the child's fault. The child had a disability.

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No, no, no it wasn't. It was the stupid mother that done that.

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-It was the stupid mother.

-Are you joking?

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You can't say that. Absolutely, categorically cannot say that.

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I was so upset when she said that she was a distraction

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and it was so...

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It was heartbreaking to hear words like that being

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said in this day and age about a child with a disability.

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So I had no choice but to leave, there was no other option.

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Let us speak to the Grand Opera House.

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Aine Dolan is Opera House community and education manager.

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It doesn't sound good for you.

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All of the complaints were about

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"what is the music that is playing, can you switch it off?"

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We also had a situation where the company manager

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for the production, for the pantomime

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came around to the duty manager

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and said, "What is the music that is being played in the auditorium,

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"it's really distracting for the performers. Can you see

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"if you can get it turned off or turned down?"

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Hello, Peter.

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I just think it is an absolute disgrace with the way

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the Opera House done it.

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What happens when you're on a plane and a baby starts crying?

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Going to stick a parachute on and throw it out the door?

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I would fully support adult-only airplane flights.

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SHE LAUGHS

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-I'm serious.

-Used to be a child once, you know.

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Are you seriously saying that a disabled child can't

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-go to the pantomime?

-No, I'm not.

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I was one person who took disabled children,

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so I wouldn't say that at all.

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But if that child had no interest whatsoever in that pantomime,

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if that lady had any sense in her she would have got a baby-sitter

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and kept the child at home.

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They paid their money like everybody else to come and see the show.

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They didn't want to hear a child screaming or whatever was wrong.

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But they paid their money too.

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At the end of the day, it's a pantomime. What is pantomime?

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It's for children.

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It is for children. Adults go to bring their children there.

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-Aye.

-They are not for adults.

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You can see both sides there, there were people being distracted

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and the wee girl still wanted the thing turned on but was there not

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another part of the building they could have moved her to?

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It is the same as the time the Catholic Church went to what

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do you call it? The mass. And they had a crying room.

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They didn't believe in a child crying.

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A child cries, tough, a child cries.

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If that was a disabled child they can't control the emotions.

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I know what it feels like because I remember

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when I had my first child

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and I was at Christmas mass and the priest stopped

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the mass in the middle and turned around

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and said "See, whoever has that child crying,

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"could they take him out?" And that was a priest.

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We are living in a society where we are all meant to be integrating

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-and we're not ready for it.

-I'm not saying you're wrong.

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You have to think of the people who wanted to come to the show

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without being disturbed.

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Right. So what did these children do, and their families?

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They're not allowed to go?

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They are allowed to go but they have to be put somewhere else.

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What do you mean somewhere else? What are they, cattle?

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We'll have a listen to Bill in Bangor because he is another

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person who is supporting the Grand Opera House, Bill, aren't you?

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Yes, I am indeed. I think it is a bit ridiculous.

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The Opera House is bending over backwards.

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What does that woman want them to do?

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Does she want them to put down what people like?

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I wouldn't like to have been the manager in the place.

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No matter what he done, he done wrong.

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Shame on them people.

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If them people can't stand the noise of a toy for a disabled child

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then there's something wrong with them, so there is.

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If that was me and my child was like that, I wouldn't go in there

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-tormenting all those people.

-Tormenting?

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I think it is an absolute disgrace.

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You're embarrassing, mate. You're embarrassing.

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Are you trying to say that you should be ashamed of your child

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because it has a disability? What you want to do, lock them in a room?

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Are you serious?

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You're probably a Bible thumper who goes to church every week.

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What do you say to the people who say, "Tough, get that kid

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"out of here, get the child out?"

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Hold on, Stephen. Do you want me to tell you what I would say to them?

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They need to get the fuck out.

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I'm getting fucking fined by the council now.

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See, you made me curse again.

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Now, young people out of work,

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education or training for six months will

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not have to do unpaid community work to get benefits,

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according to David Cameron.

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The Prime Minister said about 50,000 18 to 21-year-olds would be

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required to do daily work experience,

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so alongside job searching, they would be required

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to carry out 30 hours a week of mandatory community work.

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So, should unemployed young people be made to do volunteer

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work in order to claim benefits?

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They are lying in their bed all day

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and then they are out running the streets all night.

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They should be made to work and to go out to work.

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Maybe if they did it would put a bit of manners

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and a bit of brains into them. Let them see what real life is like.

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If they are going to work for their benefits,

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why don't they give them a job and get them off benefits?

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There are jobs out there but lots of people don't want to do

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the jobs that other people are prepared to do.

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If they can create work for people that is on the brew

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and not pay them, but pay them the buttons that they pay them

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on the brew, how can they not give them a job?

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That is telling them what to do with their lives.

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"I am in charge now of your life because you are on benefits."

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Whenever I was growing up I had to go out to work

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-and you had to go out to work.

-But you were paid, you were paid.

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Got paid as you learned. These ones, Cameron says it.

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-These ones are to work free.

-That is taking your rights away.

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"You will do what we tell you to do.

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"If you want this £50-£60 a week, we are telling you what you're

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"doing on Monday, Tuesday," or whatever it is. No!

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# Trouble my way

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# Lord, lord

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# Trouble my way. #

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At the end of the day, going out to work

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and getting your benefits, it is slave labour.

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Why should people go out and work

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-and not get paid...

-Are you actually saying it's slave labour?

-Yeah.

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-While everybody goes out and works?

-Hold on, you interrupted me there.

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I was about to turn around and tell you that

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if they can put people out to work for their benefits why can

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they not put people out to work to get a wage,

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like every other painter or gardener or anything else like that?

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I think in a way, young people, yes, it is

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all right because it gets them up out of bed, it gets them

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a couple of hours' work and they still get their benefits.

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And what could you be doing to earn your benefits,

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sitting on your arse, watching Jeremy Kyle, no doubt.

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Oh, no, I lie in bed

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and watch Jeremy Kyle, I don't sit on my arse.

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Now just get that bit right.

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THEY LAUGH

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-Go ahead.

-Let us be serious about what we're talking about here.

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It is not working for free, there are benefits being paid out as well.

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-Are they getting minimum wage?

-No, but they're getting benefits.

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Why not?

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Because what they are trying to do is exploit young people...

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THEY TALK OVER EACH OTHER

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Bit of manners, bit of manners.

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Let's not forget, we've come through

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the worst economic circumstances for decades.

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That's a total disgrace, they need to get out and go to work.

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But they can't get a job.

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People won't take them because they haven't got the experience.

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Nobody is giving him a chance.

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Some of them out there really do want a job,

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they would do want to work.

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Stephen, I will tell you a story.

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I used to be a warehouse manager

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and they used to send young lads to me

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from the dole office to let them see what work was like in a warehouse.

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And you had to stand over them with a whip,

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so you would, to get them to work.

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Are we really saying we want to write off

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an 18-to-21-year-old after six months out of work

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and say, "See you at the Job Centre once a week?"

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Are you really saying you want to exploit them for cheap labour?

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I do not think it is exploitation in the slightest.

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You don't pay them and you don't teach these 18-to-21-year-olds.

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If you do a fair day's work, you get a fair days' pay.

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The rich Tories sends the young, vulnerable kids out to pick up

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litter and if they don't do it, you take their means to feed

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themselves away from them.

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PEOPLE YELL

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WHISTLE BLOWS

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It is time the authorities got them out and got them

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working for their benefits.

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If they don't work for their benefits, then stop the benefits.

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Hard as it might be, but that's the way America works.

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If you don't work, then your jaws don't work.

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If you work for your benefits then that means...

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-You should work for a decent wage.

-What are they going to do?

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You should work for a wage, not benefits.

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What is it you're going to do, though?

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What is the work you are going to do?

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I think the detail has to be further defined

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and I would put my hands up and say that that hasn't been done yet.

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So it is just a sound bite?

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It hasn't been thought through it all then?

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-Sorry, Stephen?

-You don't even know what type of work it is.

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Well, when I look around my city of Leeds there is

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a lot of litter picking work to be done, general upkeep of the city.

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We are all saying that it is taking somebody else's job,

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but it is not being done now.

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There is plenty of work to be done on our streets,

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cleaning parks and cleaning walls.

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They could be helping pensioners cut their grass,

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paint their railings for them and their hedges.

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It gets them used to getting up,

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getting out to work instead of sitting on their holes all day.

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Why just young people?

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Well, could you picture me cutting a fucking garden?

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I wouldn't know one end of the lawnmower from the other.

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You would have to order an ambulance

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-and an oxygen mask to revive me from it.

-What would you have to learn?

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I've done my time, so I have, working.

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You are going to get people that will come in their dozens

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and employ them, free employment.

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And then other people who are maybe more suitable for the job,

0:25:370:25:40

not going to take them because they're going to have to pay them.

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If you are not doing that, what are you going to be doing instead?

0:25:430:25:46

You can't sit and rewrite your CV 20 times.

0:25:460:25:48

Keep going to the dole office.

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People down here in the Shankill wouldn't know what a CV is.

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Sitting there thinking about it, how many times can you paint

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the fence, how may times can you cut the garden?

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You can only cut a garden so much.

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Three or four times a year.

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-And you can only paint the fence so many times.

-Once a year.

-If that.

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The whole point about community service is teaching people

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a structure. Getting up in the morning and

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getting out and having to work

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and you don't get money handed to you.

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What about you out cutting it and losing a couple of pounds?

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Let us not get away from what the alternative is.

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The alternative is that people just sit at home.

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Once they've done their bit at the Job Centre, they go and sit at home.

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That's fair enough.

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Is it not better a youngster being out there rather than sitting

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-and watching Jeremy Kyle?

-It is not that they are lazy.

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It is the culture that they have gotten into.

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They lie in bed in the morning, they didn't get up until 10 or 10:30.

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And when you get into that culture, it's hard to get back

0:26:380:26:41

out of it again.

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If the government took less wages themselves,

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there would be loads of money.

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Instead of getting money for suits that they have to sit on TV

0:26:480:26:51

and they have to earn 250 a day if they sit in Parliament and all.

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If the government took a cut...

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Cough!

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My tooth near fell out.

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THEY LAUGH

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If the government took a cut, there would be more money in this.

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Next time on Radio Face...

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Oh, Jesus, I think I'm gay.

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What? What?

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Sodomy is sin!

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You're not born gay.

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Barrymore wasn't born gay.

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The Welsh rugby player wasn't born gay.

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We are not a normal, everyday society.

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-You think not?

-We're not.

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You still want a solution here.

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A flag will not hurt you either, unless it is on the end

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of a pole and someone hits you over the head with it.

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