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Hello and welcome to The Arts Show.

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This month we are in the MAC in Belfast.

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And yes, these are sweets but also art. More on that later.

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Here's what's coming up on tonight's show.

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Belfast's Queer Arts Festival, Outburst, is currently underway.

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We examine how the gay community is reflected culturally

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in contemporary Northern Ireland.

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Our short film-makers have had international success

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in recent times.

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We shine a spotlight on the genre and ask,

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is it more than simply a calling card to feature film?

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And the Tarantino of opera shoots from the hip

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about his controversial interpretation of Puccini's Turandot

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in Belfast. I'm tweeting now...

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Do join me.

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Belfast's Queer Arts Festival, Outburst,

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is now in its ninth year and still has two days left to run.

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It is a time of great change,

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the marriage equality vote in the Republic has opened up a new

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debate and Northern Ireland is looking increasingly out of step.

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So what has changed for gay people in Northern Ireland,

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and what impact have those changes had on the city's cultural life?

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David Grant reports.

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Outburst. The very name demands attention.

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The love that dared not speak its name is now declaring itself

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loud and proud throughout the city,

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in its galleries, on its stages and on its cinema screens.

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It is a far cry from my memories of our virtual invisibility

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on the first Belfast Pride march in the early 1990s.

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My own gay play, Tangles, was boycotted in Dublin

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and had its funding withdrawn.

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Outburst started life in 2006.

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Soon after, Belfast hosted the first gay civil partnership

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ceremony in the UK.

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And yet, the general euphoria around the Republic's

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equal marriage referendum has served to highlight that Northern Ireland,

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uniquely on these islands,

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denies gay relationships equal status with their straight peers.

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Outburst's programme this year is its most ambitious yet.

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Highlights include Prime Cut's specially commissioned piece,

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Scorch, from playwright Stacey Gregg.

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Trouble, from artist and gay activist Shannon Yee,

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giving voice to the experiences of people

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growing up during the Troubles.

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And a cabaret taking a wry look

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at the apparent mainstreaming of gay life within society.

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Middle Of The Road, to me,

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is the place where we should all be finding sanctuary now.

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I think a lot of us have been left-field and weird for long enough

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and I feel now that we should stop all that.

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We need to work out what way it is going to work...

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Ruth McCarthy is Outburst's founding director.

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I asked her, in the light of all these changes,

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who does she think the Outburst Festival is now for?

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The short answer is, Outburst is for everyone.

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Up to 40% of our audiences now do not identify

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as LGB or T, we know this, which is wonderful.

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But it is primarily a space where we in the LGBT community,

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and LGBT artists, queer artists, can play, can bring new ideas.

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Where we can explore queer experience in all its nuances

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and not just a kind of a black

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and white that we sometimes get to see in the media.

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Where we can explore what diversity

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and difference is really about, and do that through the arts.

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Stacey Gregg's Scorch seems to be a play that negotiates those

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complexities with great skill.

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What's wonderful about Scorch is that it deals with

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the issue of gender identity.

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The central character doesn't say for definite that they are trans or

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that they are gender neutral or that

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they are maybe just a wee butch lesbian.

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It doesn't have any tidy answers.

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My girl, Jules.

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I do wonder if liking girls means I am "un homo"!

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But I don't know any real ones yet.

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Just convince myself, I will probably get a boyfriend

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one day, like, when I have to.

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A recent Channel 4 survey said that 50% of young people

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no longer identify as heterosexual.

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That's really interesting.

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There's an understanding these days that sexual orientation

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and gender identity is a far more complex issue than just

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straight, gay or even throw bi in the mix.

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As the success of The Queen of Ireland,

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the new film about Panti Bliss has made clear,

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gay people are becoming ever more visible in public life in Ireland.

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And yet, many of our stories remain untold.

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Shannon Yee has been working hard

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to reclaim some of that missing history.

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As her producer Niall Rea tells me,

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it's getting some of Northern Ireland's leading actors

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into Trouble.

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We've got a lot of actors into Trouble.

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The first two actors I asked, actually, were Marie Jones

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and Ian McElhinney.

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They were very happy and delighted to say yes,

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especially with it being the 10th anniversary of the first

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civil partnership in the UK, which happened at Belfast City Hall.

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It is actually Shannon's own anniversary as well.

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You're making a huge personal leap of faith with

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the creation of the Barracks.

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This is investing in the arts in a time of contracting resources.

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What has given you the confidence?

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I knew this kind of space was needed for the arts community,

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both queer and the wider arts community.

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There needed to be a cheap, artist-led volunteer-run space.

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TheatreofplucK, my company,

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was the first publicly funded gay theatre company in Ireland.

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So I thought, why shouldn't it have the first purpose-built gay space?

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We will get right back to you, OK?

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Sadly, both Outburst

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and TheatreofplucK have recently learnt that promised

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investment from the Arts Council,

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aimed at ensuring sustainability of both organisations, is now in doubt.

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It will certainly be ironic

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if a diversion of funds intended to support minorities

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means that these gay oriented projects lose out.

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So despite the clear sense of progress in Outburst's

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nine-year history, I asked Ruth McCarthy

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how much she felt had really changed.

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I think what has changed hugely

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is the confidence of the LGBT community.

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I think a lot more people are willing to say

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we have had enough now.

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And there are a lot more people willing to stand up

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and come out to their families, and we do know that change

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happens more readily when you know somebody who is gay.

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I think the more we grow in confidence as a community,

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and the more we celebrate

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the diversity of voices that there is in the community,

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cos it's not a homogenous community,

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I think the more confidence we have,

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that is when things will change more.

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Despite the growing confidence of the audience

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that Outburst seeks to serve,

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its sheer diversity makes including everyone quite a challenge.

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I still wonder how many of those people walking for equal marriage

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at the City Hall would have engaged with the term "queer",

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and in particular, I suspect there may be a proportion of

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people who identify as gay who would not be comfortable with that label.

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Maybe seven, eight, nine years ago that would have been the case.

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Much less so now. The term has become much more acceptable.

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There is a charity in Belfast called QueerSpace.

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You talked about Queer at Queen's.

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In fact, the bar we are in often use the term "the queer quarter"

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to identify this plethora of LGBT friendly venues around this area.

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The term queer is becoming much more accepted, I believe.

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We are all so different and all of that needs to be celebrated

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but I don't think there is a hierarchy of what is more

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important than the other.

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Yes, of course there will be spaces where people feel uncomfortable

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and that is OK, we need to be OK with uncomfortable as well.

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For nearly a decade, Outburst has provided a vibrant

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showcase for queer culture in Belfast.

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It will be interesting to see if changing social attitudes

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eventually make it unnecessary.

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While shining an international light on gay issues is this major

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exhibition by Cuban-born American artist Felix Gonzales-Torres.

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Whilst filling out the MAC's galleries this winter,

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his work also features on billboards right across the city.

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The curator is Eoin Dara.

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Who was Felix Gonzales-Torres?

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Felix was a Cuban-born American artist who spent

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most of his adult life and career based out of New York.

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He made most of his artworks at a very particular social

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and political moment in the US in the late 1980s and early 1990s.

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The artworks could very broadly be described as sculpture

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in a lot of ways.

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But not sculpture in any easily understood definition of that word.

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What is he trying to do with the silver wrapped sweets?

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The sculpture or artwork that you are speaking about is

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Untitled (Lover Boys).

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The work exists in the installation of what Felix called an ideal

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weight of 355lbs of candy, dropped in a gallery space.

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Configured in whatever way a curator pleases.

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And that represented his weight and his partner's weight?

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At the ideal weight that Felix specified,

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that's where you kind of find that allegorical portrait element

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where it is the combined weight of himself and his partner at the time.

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He was dealing with very specific issues around AIDS,

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around that huge crisis of identity

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in America in the 1990s.

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How relevant is that to Northern Ireland today?

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As an individual, at that time,

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he was heavily involved in community activism

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and collaborative practice with other artist groups,

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highlighting issues within society that weren't being

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talked about enough, such as the AIDS crisis,

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and I've think that those ideas all come forth in his artworks,

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those ideas are all still present in the artworks

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that are in the MAC today.

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It's that challenging of accepted norms,

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that fight is more relevant than ever, I feel, in Northern Ireland.

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Northern Ireland has a strong track record in short filmmaking,

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producing Oscar and Bafta award-winning films

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and numerous nominations.

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But while we clearly punch well above our weight,

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is it a genre in its own right, or an apprenticeship for feature films?

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Daniel Dewsbury investigates.

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RHYTHMIC FOOT TAPPING

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In 1997, Tim Loane and Dave Duggan's Dance, Lexie, Dance

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was nominated for Best Live Action Short at the 70th Academy Awards.

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Turn that thing down, will you?

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In the years since, a level of self belief has been generated

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amongst short film makers here.

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The North has no shortage of artistic and technical talent,

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and it would seem their work is reaching an international audience.

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In 2011, Michael Creagh's film about a young boy's infatuation

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with his teacher, The Crush, received an Oscar nomination

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after winning Best Short at the Foyle Film Festival.

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Does this mean we're engaged?

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It's gaining on us!

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In 2012, Terry George and his daughter Oorlagh took the Oscar

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for Best Live Action short, The Shore.

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Marm!

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Then, in 2014, Brian Falconer and Michael Lennox

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won the Bafta for Boogaloo And Graham,

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which then went on to get an Oscar nomination.

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-Everyone has a dog, no-one has chickens!

-Exactly.

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First of all, it's been an amazing year for me,

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cos Boogaloo And Graham aligned with my first feature, so they helped

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impact each other, so for me, in the last year,

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I've taken a massive step,

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I think, in working professionally, but for me,

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the main thing was that, in London and America,

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people would be taking me a bit more seriously.

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People know that there's Hollywood productions

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happening on their doorstep here,

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but I think what we did with Boogaloo And Graham is,

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these young film makers have seen us and kind of gone, like,

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"I know that guy", and suddenly realise, "I could do that."

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The reality of it is, if you have a good script

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and you have a good director and you've organised it well,

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you can do it, and I think that's what we've shown people.

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Is the goal always to make features, or do you think there's something

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about the short film that still excites you?

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For me, I plan to make another short film starting next year.

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I make short films, you know, every year. It's not to say,

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once I get a first feature film I'll never make a short.

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They're just two different aspects of filmmaking,

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and I think Northern Ireland has proved in the last few years

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-we're good at making short films.

-For people starting out,

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shorts is a platform where you can make mistakes.

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There's little risk of it stopping your career.

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It's a place for people to learn if they like making films,

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if they're good at it, and what's happened with the film industry

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here over the past five years, nobody would have predicted,

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but it's time for the indigenous film makers to take over, you know,

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and to start actually producing feature films by Northern Irish

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writers, Northern Irish directors and Northern Irish producers.

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If you look at the last three films from here that have been

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Oscar-nominated, they make people laugh.

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BOYS SCREAM

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-MOTHER:

-Get into that bathroom!

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I've been guilty of making so many depressing short films.

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It's taken me a long time to realise that there are other

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emotions in the spectrum.

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When we made Boogaloo And Graham, I look back and I was just like,

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"We've cracked it", you know? It's comedy.

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Comedy is the thing that reaches out to everyone.

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PIANO MELODY

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Aislinn Clark is an experienced short filmmaker, and at the end

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of this month production will start on her first feature.

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I think short film is a useful place for filmmakers

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to play around with things that you might not be able

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to play around with in feature-length filmmaking.

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PIANO MELODY

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If you are making a short, you can take the opportunity to be

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a bit more experimental, try things out a bit more.

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I think shorts are definitely an important way of getting

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you in shape for making a feature.

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I don't think anybody would be advised to go off

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and make a feature without having made a short.

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A lot of people see it as just being a mini version of a feature film,

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but actually, short films are their own complete thing and they can

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and should be taken in that spirit.

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I think short film is definitely an important step towards building

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a reputation internationally for film in Northern Ireland.

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Northern Ireland is an extremely vibrant place

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for filmmaking at the minute.

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It's a very exciting place make for filmmaking right now,

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and I think the ripples are echoing across the world.

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PIANO MUSIC

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Like many local filmmakers,

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Aislinn has received funding from Northern Ireland Screen,

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the agency responsible for directing public money into film production.

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To develop the sector generally, you have to create opportunities.

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Short films are a great opportunity for,

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particularly, writers and directors.

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This single, strategic focus we have for short films

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at Northern Ireland Screen is to impress on those making

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the films that they need to have a purpose.

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Not everybody will like me saying this, but from a strategic

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point of view, they're not an end in themselves for us.

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Yet there are a range of other genres -

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documentary, art and experimental films, animation -

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which don't fit so readily into this very industry-based view.

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I think, for me, I look at the short film as a poetic work of art.

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Back in the day when I went to film school,

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a short film was ten minutes. It was for cinema. It had to be cinematic.

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It had to have mise en scene, it had to have a narrative arc,

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a turning point, maybe a gag, maybe a joke,

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maybe a revelation at the end.

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It's not necessarily financial, is not necessarily fame.

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It might just be too tell a little story about your cat, I don't know.

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The city I know was built in the global age.

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When the world was already round.

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Stuart Sloan is a local filmmaker

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and also one of the founders of Second Chance Cinema.

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Part of the reason we wanted to start screening films

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is because there's so little opportunity in Belfast.

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And what opportunity there is sometimes gets

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dominated by funded films, or a bigger-budget films.

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The city of 20 years ago is being erased slowly.

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Sometimes when you make a film, you spend all those hours,

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and you just put it on YouTube,

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and people kind of watch it while doing something else.

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That kind of devalues it a little bit.

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We show things a dedicated cinema space.

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In darkness, lights off, comfy seats.

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That gives a certain validity to the films themselves.

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And as a film-maker, that's often all you get.

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And it's worth it for that.

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The success of a number of narrative shorts over the last 20 years

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shows what can be achieved with funding and support.

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But the industry won't provide for everything.

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And developing a really vibrant filmgoing culture means

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enabling other voices.

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With money coming in from the commercial sector, the next step

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is to build up the diversity of films made and seen here.

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Puccini's Opera, Turandot, best known for its aria Nessun Dorma,

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was recently staged in Belfast by Northern Ireland Opera

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in its first international coproduction.

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It was a radical reinterpretation by Calixto Bieito,

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who's been described as Europe's most over-the-top director.

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He's firmly part of the contemporary opera world,

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which renovates traditional opera in increasingly shocking

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and sensational ways.

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I met him on opening night.

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OPERA MUSIC

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Very dramatic, but pretty gruesome!

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Unfortunately, sometimes the grotesque

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and the sense of menace took away from the traditional story.

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Pretty theatrical, pretty gory, and a bit shocking in places.

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It's shocking, it's bloody, it's violent.

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I don't think it's bloody or shocking. I don't think so.

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What I'm trying to do with Puccini is to be very near to the music,

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because this is probably my favourite opera of Puccini.

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I'm trying to express the emotions inside the music.

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I'm never thinking that I will shock the audience with that.

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Newspapers are shocking me much more than any opera or any piece of art.

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I think, first of all, Calixto's interpretation isn't just about

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shocking, and it's not just about blood and gore and all those things.

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Although there is a lot of that.

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There is a lot of that, but I think there probably would be in any

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production of Turandot, actually.

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But I think that what's more important is that it's a very

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sophisticated take on the opera.

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I think this is very, very clear -

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this is something which has a huge amount of integrity.

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As well as something which is disturbing.

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I thought it was exploitative.

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I thought it was unnecessarily violent.

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The setting was obviously a bit controversial.

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I thought the idea of moving the scene of the opera

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to Revolutionary China was a good one.

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But some of the other special effects were over the top,

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for me, and I thought they stood in the way of following the music.

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I'm a bit of a traditionalist, to be honest.

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I like to see operas in the period in which they're set.

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Why is it important though,

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to resite a traditional opera in a contemporary context?

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What is really important is the will inside of yourself

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to put this opera to the audience today.

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Otherwise the opera, it will die.

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You can say, "Listen, I like much more the opera where it is

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"with wonderful costumes like in Disney."

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I like much more the show like this done in this direction.

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This is just a question of taste.

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What the director was trying to do with this production was to

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make sure that the setting wasn't something which was just

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a fairytale. That it was a setting we could relate to.

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And he did this by replacing the action away from that

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into a more contemporary setting, in a factory, where the workers

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are downtrodden, they have no rights, they have no wages.

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Again, they're completely subservient to the

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person in charge, in this case, the boss.

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I guess this is what Turandot is in this particular interpretation.

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And he draws some very, very startling

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and relevant parallels by doing this.

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I think it makes it much more fresh and much more contemporary.

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I think that's important, and I think that's good.

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It means that opera doesn't just become about escapism,

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but it becomes about people's lives, and life as it is now.

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Fantastic! Absolutely fantastic. Very moving.

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The torture was really quite believable.

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Your body could actually feel it.

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I've been talking to people who've said, "I didn't come to see that."

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I think there are images in the interpretation which

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-I have certainly never seen on stage before.

-Like what?

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There is a scene whereby a woman is on the stage,

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and it's very clear that she's been the victim of sexual assault.

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I think that what's Calixto's doing by interrupting

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the piece in this way is making sure that some of the undercurrents

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of the piece, where total power is very,

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very brutalising for the people who exercise it, as well as for

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the people who are the victims of it, is absently at the forefront.

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I think that is something which we see now, we see brutal regimes

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and the way they treat people, the way which, often women,

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in particular, are treated, when people have complete power.

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# But if you strip her naked... #

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The original version was hard to beat. Really.

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It's a beautiful piece of music, and I couldn't understand why

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anybody would want to do some of the things they did.

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I wonder what Puccini would have thought of it?

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It's very difficult, of course, to know exactly what Puccini wanted.

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Often people say, "One should just do what the composer wanted,"

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and it's impossible to know what composer would have wanted.

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I think what we are doing is making sure those themes,

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those undercurrents in the original work

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have meaning for a contemporary audience.

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I think as soon as one starts to put productions in period costumes,

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I think there is a distance between what's on stage and the audience,

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simply because people don't recognise these people.

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I think it becomes an event which is something else.

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And I think an artistic event has to be challenging.

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It brings opera, which is very traditional,

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into a very modern setting.

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And maybe opening it up to a wider audience, which is good.

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So opera should shock, it should provoke, it should make people react?

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Opera must make people feel emotions.

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I think the nearest thing to God is music.

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Music has to provoke this feeling.

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And, when you go home, if you think what you saw in this opera

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and you can have a good discussion with your friends,

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this is what opera has to do.

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-Calixto, thank you.

-Thank you.

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MUSIC: Nessun Dorma

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As we said earlier, Nessun Dorma is Turandot's most famous aria.

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The Art Show thought it would be fun if a member of the cast went

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along to Cliftonville football ground to sing it at an Irish League game.

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You can watch our video online.

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HE HOLDS A TRIUMPHANT NOTE

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APPLAUSE

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And staying with opera - few in the audience will have seen as many

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productions as Belfast man, Richard Clarke.

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Turandot was his 528th opera,

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and he's kept the programmes of every production he's been to see.

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It's a collection that reflects a lifelong passion that began in 1945.

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MUSIC: Marriage Of Figaro (Overture) by Mozart

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I just love opera. I love the sound of it.

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The Sadler's Wells Company came over here, and they did three operas.

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Boheme, Butterfly and, surprisingly, The Bartered Bride.

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I got to see all these.

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At that time I was at school, and it was just across the road.

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And I went quite often.

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I had some pocket money, but I also had dinner money.

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And the money for the dinner,

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I very rarely spent on school dinners.

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I had a Mars bar instead.

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And the money would be then available, either for buying

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gramophone records, or coming to the opera here.

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Talk to me about Maria Callas,

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-because you have a signed photograph of her as well?

-Yes.

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Did you like her a lot? Was she your favourite?

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Yes, she was.

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She had a great emotional intensity, that she could put into something.

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So where else in the world did you go to? What other famous opera houses?

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Bayreuth, Wagner's home for a long period, was a great attraction.

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We sat through the whole of The Ring, twice.

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In those days you could get into Bayreuth.

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Nowadays, there's a waiting list for tickets.

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But this was the first post-war festival.

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I still have the programmes and the ticket stubs,

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which I stuck into an album.

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What has putting this collection together meant to you?

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In the last few weeks, it has stirred up all my old memories,

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and made me think of the great operas I've seen,

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and the great characters I've seen in them.

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This is a rich archive of opera history, from the late 1940s,

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right up to present day.

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Do you think young people are as passionate as you were about opera?

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Sadly, they're not. You see very few young people at any of these things.

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It's mostly the grey-haired brigade.

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Your children, what do they make of your collection?

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Well, they're not interested, just at all.

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They're not interested in opera or the archives of opera.

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So I'll have to find a good home for all my material.

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And The Art Show is pleased to reveal that Richard is

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donating his collection to Northern Ireland Opera,

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which will make it available online in due course.

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And that's it for this month, we're back in December,

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with a special tribute to Brian Friel.

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And the conversation continues now on Twitter

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and on BBC Radio Ulster,

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Tuesdays-Fridays, at 6.30pm.

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Until next time, good night.

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