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Hello and welcome to The Arts Show. | 0:00:31 | 0:00:33 | |
This month we are in the MAC in Belfast. | 0:00:33 | 0:00:36 | |
And yes, these are sweets but also art. More on that later. | 0:00:36 | 0:00:39 | |
Here's what's coming up on tonight's show. | 0:00:40 | 0:00:43 | |
Belfast's Queer Arts Festival, Outburst, is currently underway. | 0:00:44 | 0:00:48 | |
We examine how the gay community is reflected culturally | 0:00:48 | 0:00:51 | |
in contemporary Northern Ireland. | 0:00:51 | 0:00:53 | |
Our short film-makers have had international success | 0:00:53 | 0:00:57 | |
in recent times. | 0:00:57 | 0:00:58 | |
We shine a spotlight on the genre and ask, | 0:00:58 | 0:01:00 | |
is it more than simply a calling card to feature film? | 0:01:00 | 0:01:04 | |
And the Tarantino of opera shoots from the hip | 0:01:04 | 0:01:07 | |
about his controversial interpretation of Puccini's Turandot | 0:01:07 | 0:01:11 | |
in Belfast. I'm tweeting now... | 0:01:11 | 0:01:14 | |
Do join me. | 0:01:14 | 0:01:15 | |
Belfast's Queer Arts Festival, Outburst, | 0:01:22 | 0:01:24 | |
is now in its ninth year and still has two days left to run. | 0:01:24 | 0:01:28 | |
It is a time of great change, | 0:01:28 | 0:01:30 | |
the marriage equality vote in the Republic has opened up a new | 0:01:30 | 0:01:33 | |
debate and Northern Ireland is looking increasingly out of step. | 0:01:33 | 0:01:37 | |
So what has changed for gay people in Northern Ireland, | 0:01:37 | 0:01:40 | |
and what impact have those changes had on the city's cultural life? | 0:01:40 | 0:01:44 | |
David Grant reports. | 0:01:44 | 0:01:46 | |
Outburst. The very name demands attention. | 0:01:50 | 0:01:52 | |
The love that dared not speak its name is now declaring itself | 0:01:52 | 0:01:56 | |
loud and proud throughout the city, | 0:01:56 | 0:01:59 | |
in its galleries, on its stages and on its cinema screens. | 0:01:59 | 0:02:02 | |
It is a far cry from my memories of our virtual invisibility | 0:02:02 | 0:02:06 | |
on the first Belfast Pride march in the early 1990s. | 0:02:06 | 0:02:09 | |
My own gay play, Tangles, was boycotted in Dublin | 0:02:09 | 0:02:13 | |
and had its funding withdrawn. | 0:02:13 | 0:02:15 | |
Outburst started life in 2006. | 0:02:17 | 0:02:19 | |
Soon after, Belfast hosted the first gay civil partnership | 0:02:19 | 0:02:22 | |
ceremony in the UK. | 0:02:22 | 0:02:24 | |
And yet, the general euphoria around the Republic's | 0:02:24 | 0:02:27 | |
equal marriage referendum has served to highlight that Northern Ireland, | 0:02:27 | 0:02:31 | |
uniquely on these islands, | 0:02:31 | 0:02:33 | |
denies gay relationships equal status with their straight peers. | 0:02:33 | 0:02:37 | |
Outburst's programme this year is its most ambitious yet. | 0:02:37 | 0:02:40 | |
Highlights include Prime Cut's specially commissioned piece, | 0:02:40 | 0:02:43 | |
Scorch, from playwright Stacey Gregg. | 0:02:43 | 0:02:46 | |
Trouble, from artist and gay activist Shannon Yee, | 0:02:46 | 0:02:49 | |
giving voice to the experiences of people | 0:02:49 | 0:02:51 | |
growing up during the Troubles. | 0:02:51 | 0:02:53 | |
And a cabaret taking a wry look | 0:02:53 | 0:02:55 | |
at the apparent mainstreaming of gay life within society. | 0:02:55 | 0:02:58 | |
Middle Of The Road, to me, | 0:02:58 | 0:03:00 | |
is the place where we should all be finding sanctuary now. | 0:03:00 | 0:03:03 | |
I think a lot of us have been left-field and weird for long enough | 0:03:03 | 0:03:06 | |
and I feel now that we should stop all that. | 0:03:06 | 0:03:08 | |
We need to work out what way it is going to work... | 0:03:08 | 0:03:11 | |
Ruth McCarthy is Outburst's founding director. | 0:03:11 | 0:03:14 | |
I asked her, in the light of all these changes, | 0:03:14 | 0:03:17 | |
who does she think the Outburst Festival is now for? | 0:03:17 | 0:03:21 | |
The short answer is, Outburst is for everyone. | 0:03:21 | 0:03:23 | |
Up to 40% of our audiences now do not identify | 0:03:23 | 0:03:26 | |
as LGB or T, we know this, which is wonderful. | 0:03:26 | 0:03:30 | |
But it is primarily a space where we in the LGBT community, | 0:03:30 | 0:03:33 | |
and LGBT artists, queer artists, can play, can bring new ideas. | 0:03:33 | 0:03:37 | |
Where we can explore queer experience in all its nuances | 0:03:37 | 0:03:41 | |
and not just a kind of a black | 0:03:41 | 0:03:43 | |
and white that we sometimes get to see in the media. | 0:03:43 | 0:03:46 | |
Where we can explore what diversity | 0:03:46 | 0:03:48 | |
and difference is really about, and do that through the arts. | 0:03:48 | 0:03:52 | |
Stacey Gregg's Scorch seems to be a play that negotiates those | 0:03:52 | 0:03:56 | |
complexities with great skill. | 0:03:56 | 0:03:58 | |
What's wonderful about Scorch is that it deals with | 0:03:58 | 0:04:01 | |
the issue of gender identity. | 0:04:01 | 0:04:04 | |
The central character doesn't say for definite that they are trans or | 0:04:04 | 0:04:08 | |
that they are gender neutral or that | 0:04:08 | 0:04:11 | |
they are maybe just a wee butch lesbian. | 0:04:11 | 0:04:14 | |
It doesn't have any tidy answers. | 0:04:14 | 0:04:16 | |
My girl, Jules. | 0:04:16 | 0:04:20 | |
I do wonder if liking girls means I am "un homo"! | 0:04:20 | 0:04:25 | |
But I don't know any real ones yet. | 0:04:25 | 0:04:27 | |
Just convince myself, I will probably get a boyfriend | 0:04:27 | 0:04:30 | |
one day, like, when I have to. | 0:04:30 | 0:04:33 | |
A recent Channel 4 survey said that 50% of young people | 0:04:33 | 0:04:37 | |
no longer identify as heterosexual. | 0:04:37 | 0:04:39 | |
That's really interesting. | 0:04:39 | 0:04:41 | |
There's an understanding these days that sexual orientation | 0:04:41 | 0:04:44 | |
and gender identity is a far more complex issue than just | 0:04:44 | 0:04:47 | |
straight, gay or even throw bi in the mix. | 0:04:47 | 0:04:50 | |
As the success of The Queen of Ireland, | 0:04:50 | 0:04:52 | |
the new film about Panti Bliss has made clear, | 0:04:52 | 0:04:56 | |
gay people are becoming ever more visible in public life in Ireland. | 0:04:56 | 0:04:59 | |
And yet, many of our stories remain untold. | 0:04:59 | 0:05:02 | |
Shannon Yee has been working hard | 0:05:02 | 0:05:04 | |
to reclaim some of that missing history. | 0:05:04 | 0:05:06 | |
As her producer Niall Rea tells me, | 0:05:06 | 0:05:08 | |
it's getting some of Northern Ireland's leading actors | 0:05:08 | 0:05:10 | |
into Trouble. | 0:05:10 | 0:05:12 | |
We've got a lot of actors into Trouble. | 0:05:12 | 0:05:14 | |
The first two actors I asked, actually, were Marie Jones | 0:05:14 | 0:05:17 | |
and Ian McElhinney. | 0:05:17 | 0:05:18 | |
They were very happy and delighted to say yes, | 0:05:18 | 0:05:20 | |
especially with it being the 10th anniversary of the first | 0:05:20 | 0:05:23 | |
civil partnership in the UK, which happened at Belfast City Hall. | 0:05:23 | 0:05:27 | |
It is actually Shannon's own anniversary as well. | 0:05:27 | 0:05:30 | |
You're making a huge personal leap of faith with | 0:05:30 | 0:05:32 | |
the creation of the Barracks. | 0:05:32 | 0:05:33 | |
This is investing in the arts in a time of contracting resources. | 0:05:33 | 0:05:37 | |
What has given you the confidence? | 0:05:37 | 0:05:40 | |
I knew this kind of space was needed for the arts community, | 0:05:40 | 0:05:43 | |
both queer and the wider arts community. | 0:05:43 | 0:05:46 | |
There needed to be a cheap, artist-led volunteer-run space. | 0:05:46 | 0:05:50 | |
TheatreofplucK, my company, | 0:05:50 | 0:05:53 | |
was the first publicly funded gay theatre company in Ireland. | 0:05:53 | 0:05:57 | |
So I thought, why shouldn't it have the first purpose-built gay space? | 0:05:57 | 0:06:02 | |
We will get right back to you, OK? | 0:06:02 | 0:06:04 | |
Sadly, both Outburst | 0:06:04 | 0:06:05 | |
and TheatreofplucK have recently learnt that promised | 0:06:05 | 0:06:07 | |
investment from the Arts Council, | 0:06:07 | 0:06:09 | |
aimed at ensuring sustainability of both organisations, is now in doubt. | 0:06:09 | 0:06:13 | |
It will certainly be ironic | 0:06:13 | 0:06:15 | |
if a diversion of funds intended to support minorities | 0:06:15 | 0:06:17 | |
means that these gay oriented projects lose out. | 0:06:17 | 0:06:20 | |
So despite the clear sense of progress in Outburst's | 0:06:20 | 0:06:23 | |
nine-year history, I asked Ruth McCarthy | 0:06:23 | 0:06:25 | |
how much she felt had really changed. | 0:06:25 | 0:06:27 | |
I think what has changed hugely | 0:06:27 | 0:06:29 | |
is the confidence of the LGBT community. | 0:06:29 | 0:06:31 | |
I think a lot more people are willing to say | 0:06:31 | 0:06:34 | |
we have had enough now. | 0:06:34 | 0:06:35 | |
And there are a lot more people willing to stand up | 0:06:35 | 0:06:38 | |
and come out to their families, and we do know that change | 0:06:38 | 0:06:41 | |
happens more readily when you know somebody who is gay. | 0:06:41 | 0:06:45 | |
I think the more we grow in confidence as a community, | 0:06:45 | 0:06:48 | |
and the more we celebrate | 0:06:48 | 0:06:49 | |
the diversity of voices that there is in the community, | 0:06:49 | 0:06:51 | |
cos it's not a homogenous community, | 0:06:51 | 0:06:53 | |
I think the more confidence we have, | 0:06:53 | 0:06:55 | |
that is when things will change more. | 0:06:55 | 0:06:57 | |
Despite the growing confidence of the audience | 0:06:59 | 0:07:01 | |
that Outburst seeks to serve, | 0:07:01 | 0:07:03 | |
its sheer diversity makes including everyone quite a challenge. | 0:07:03 | 0:07:08 | |
I still wonder how many of those people walking for equal marriage | 0:07:08 | 0:07:12 | |
at the City Hall would have engaged with the term "queer", | 0:07:12 | 0:07:15 | |
and in particular, I suspect there may be a proportion of | 0:07:15 | 0:07:18 | |
people who identify as gay who would not be comfortable with that label. | 0:07:18 | 0:07:21 | |
Maybe seven, eight, nine years ago that would have been the case. | 0:07:21 | 0:07:26 | |
Much less so now. The term has become much more acceptable. | 0:07:26 | 0:07:29 | |
There is a charity in Belfast called QueerSpace. | 0:07:29 | 0:07:32 | |
You talked about Queer at Queen's. | 0:07:32 | 0:07:35 | |
In fact, the bar we are in often use the term "the queer quarter" | 0:07:35 | 0:07:40 | |
to identify this plethora of LGBT friendly venues around this area. | 0:07:40 | 0:07:45 | |
The term queer is becoming much more accepted, I believe. | 0:07:45 | 0:07:48 | |
We are all so different and all of that needs to be celebrated | 0:07:48 | 0:07:52 | |
but I don't think there is a hierarchy of what is more | 0:07:52 | 0:07:55 | |
important than the other. | 0:07:55 | 0:07:57 | |
Yes, of course there will be spaces where people feel uncomfortable | 0:07:57 | 0:08:01 | |
and that is OK, we need to be OK with uncomfortable as well. | 0:08:01 | 0:08:05 | |
For nearly a decade, Outburst has provided a vibrant | 0:08:07 | 0:08:10 | |
showcase for queer culture in Belfast. | 0:08:10 | 0:08:12 | |
It will be interesting to see if changing social attitudes | 0:08:12 | 0:08:16 | |
eventually make it unnecessary. | 0:08:16 | 0:08:18 | |
While shining an international light on gay issues is this major | 0:08:19 | 0:08:23 | |
exhibition by Cuban-born American artist Felix Gonzales-Torres. | 0:08:23 | 0:08:27 | |
Whilst filling out the MAC's galleries this winter, | 0:08:27 | 0:08:30 | |
his work also features on billboards right across the city. | 0:08:30 | 0:08:34 | |
The curator is Eoin Dara. | 0:08:34 | 0:08:36 | |
Who was Felix Gonzales-Torres? | 0:08:36 | 0:08:39 | |
Felix was a Cuban-born American artist who spent | 0:08:39 | 0:08:42 | |
most of his adult life and career based out of New York. | 0:08:42 | 0:08:46 | |
He made most of his artworks at a very particular social | 0:08:46 | 0:08:50 | |
and political moment in the US in the late 1980s and early 1990s. | 0:08:50 | 0:08:55 | |
The artworks could very broadly be described as sculpture | 0:08:55 | 0:08:59 | |
in a lot of ways. | 0:08:59 | 0:09:00 | |
But not sculpture in any easily understood definition of that word. | 0:09:00 | 0:09:05 | |
What is he trying to do with the silver wrapped sweets? | 0:09:09 | 0:09:12 | |
The sculpture or artwork that you are speaking about is | 0:09:12 | 0:09:15 | |
Untitled (Lover Boys). | 0:09:15 | 0:09:17 | |
The work exists in the installation of what Felix called an ideal | 0:09:17 | 0:09:23 | |
weight of 355lbs of candy, dropped in a gallery space. | 0:09:23 | 0:09:28 | |
Configured in whatever way a curator pleases. | 0:09:28 | 0:09:32 | |
And that represented his weight and his partner's weight? | 0:09:32 | 0:09:35 | |
At the ideal weight that Felix specified, | 0:09:35 | 0:09:38 | |
that's where you kind of find that allegorical portrait element | 0:09:38 | 0:09:42 | |
where it is the combined weight of himself and his partner at the time. | 0:09:42 | 0:09:46 | |
He was dealing with very specific issues around AIDS, | 0:09:50 | 0:09:53 | |
around that huge crisis of identity | 0:09:53 | 0:09:56 | |
in America in the 1990s. | 0:09:56 | 0:09:58 | |
How relevant is that to Northern Ireland today? | 0:09:58 | 0:10:03 | |
As an individual, at that time, | 0:10:03 | 0:10:04 | |
he was heavily involved in community activism | 0:10:04 | 0:10:07 | |
and collaborative practice with other artist groups, | 0:10:07 | 0:10:09 | |
highlighting issues within society that weren't being | 0:10:09 | 0:10:12 | |
talked about enough, such as the AIDS crisis, | 0:10:12 | 0:10:15 | |
and I've think that those ideas all come forth in his artworks, | 0:10:15 | 0:10:18 | |
those ideas are all still present in the artworks | 0:10:18 | 0:10:22 | |
that are in the MAC today. | 0:10:22 | 0:10:24 | |
It's that challenging of accepted norms, | 0:10:24 | 0:10:27 | |
that fight is more relevant than ever, I feel, in Northern Ireland. | 0:10:27 | 0:10:31 | |
Northern Ireland has a strong track record in short filmmaking, | 0:10:39 | 0:10:42 | |
producing Oscar and Bafta award-winning films | 0:10:42 | 0:10:45 | |
and numerous nominations. | 0:10:45 | 0:10:47 | |
But while we clearly punch well above our weight, | 0:10:47 | 0:10:50 | |
is it a genre in its own right, or an apprenticeship for feature films? | 0:10:50 | 0:10:55 | |
Daniel Dewsbury investigates. | 0:10:55 | 0:10:57 | |
RHYTHMIC FOOT TAPPING | 0:10:59 | 0:11:01 | |
In 1997, Tim Loane and Dave Duggan's Dance, Lexie, Dance | 0:11:01 | 0:11:05 | |
was nominated for Best Live Action Short at the 70th Academy Awards. | 0:11:05 | 0:11:09 | |
Turn that thing down, will you? | 0:11:09 | 0:11:12 | |
In the years since, a level of self belief has been generated | 0:11:12 | 0:11:15 | |
amongst short film makers here. | 0:11:15 | 0:11:16 | |
The North has no shortage of artistic and technical talent, | 0:11:16 | 0:11:20 | |
and it would seem their work is reaching an international audience. | 0:11:20 | 0:11:23 | |
In 2011, Michael Creagh's film about a young boy's infatuation | 0:11:23 | 0:11:26 | |
with his teacher, The Crush, received an Oscar nomination | 0:11:26 | 0:11:30 | |
after winning Best Short at the Foyle Film Festival. | 0:11:30 | 0:11:33 | |
Does this mean we're engaged? | 0:11:33 | 0:11:35 | |
It's gaining on us! | 0:11:35 | 0:11:36 | |
In 2012, Terry George and his daughter Oorlagh took the Oscar | 0:11:36 | 0:11:40 | |
for Best Live Action short, The Shore. | 0:11:40 | 0:11:42 | |
Marm! | 0:11:42 | 0:11:43 | |
Then, in 2014, Brian Falconer and Michael Lennox | 0:11:43 | 0:11:46 | |
won the Bafta for Boogaloo And Graham, | 0:11:46 | 0:11:48 | |
which then went on to get an Oscar nomination. | 0:11:48 | 0:11:51 | |
-Everyone has a dog, no-one has chickens! -Exactly. | 0:11:51 | 0:11:54 | |
First of all, it's been an amazing year for me, | 0:11:54 | 0:11:56 | |
cos Boogaloo And Graham aligned with my first feature, so they helped | 0:11:56 | 0:12:01 | |
impact each other, so for me, in the last year, | 0:12:01 | 0:12:03 | |
I've taken a massive step, | 0:12:03 | 0:12:05 | |
I think, in working professionally, but for me, | 0:12:05 | 0:12:08 | |
the main thing was that, in London and America, | 0:12:08 | 0:12:11 | |
people would be taking me a bit more seriously. | 0:12:11 | 0:12:15 | |
People know that there's Hollywood productions | 0:12:15 | 0:12:17 | |
happening on their doorstep here, | 0:12:17 | 0:12:19 | |
but I think what we did with Boogaloo And Graham is, | 0:12:19 | 0:12:21 | |
these young film makers have seen us and kind of gone, like, | 0:12:21 | 0:12:24 | |
"I know that guy", and suddenly realise, "I could do that." | 0:12:24 | 0:12:27 | |
The reality of it is, if you have a good script | 0:12:27 | 0:12:29 | |
and you have a good director and you've organised it well, | 0:12:29 | 0:12:31 | |
you can do it, and I think that's what we've shown people. | 0:12:31 | 0:12:34 | |
Is the goal always to make features, or do you think there's something | 0:12:34 | 0:12:37 | |
about the short film that still excites you? | 0:12:37 | 0:12:39 | |
For me, I plan to make another short film starting next year. | 0:12:39 | 0:12:43 | |
I make short films, you know, every year. It's not to say, | 0:12:43 | 0:12:46 | |
once I get a first feature film I'll never make a short. | 0:12:46 | 0:12:48 | |
They're just two different aspects of filmmaking, | 0:12:48 | 0:12:51 | |
and I think Northern Ireland has proved in the last few years | 0:12:51 | 0:12:54 | |
-we're good at making short films. -For people starting out, | 0:12:54 | 0:12:57 | |
shorts is a platform where you can make mistakes. | 0:12:57 | 0:12:59 | |
There's little risk of it stopping your career. | 0:12:59 | 0:13:01 | |
It's a place for people to learn if they like making films, | 0:13:01 | 0:13:04 | |
if they're good at it, and what's happened with the film industry | 0:13:04 | 0:13:07 | |
here over the past five years, nobody would have predicted, | 0:13:07 | 0:13:10 | |
but it's time for the indigenous film makers to take over, you know, | 0:13:10 | 0:13:14 | |
and to start actually producing feature films by Northern Irish | 0:13:14 | 0:13:19 | |
writers, Northern Irish directors and Northern Irish producers. | 0:13:19 | 0:13:23 | |
If you look at the last three films from here that have been | 0:13:23 | 0:13:26 | |
Oscar-nominated, they make people laugh. | 0:13:26 | 0:13:28 | |
BOYS SCREAM | 0:13:28 | 0:13:30 | |
-MOTHER: -Get into that bathroom! | 0:13:30 | 0:13:32 | |
I've been guilty of making so many depressing short films. | 0:13:32 | 0:13:35 | |
It's taken me a long time to realise that there are other | 0:13:35 | 0:13:39 | |
emotions in the spectrum. | 0:13:39 | 0:13:41 | |
When we made Boogaloo And Graham, I look back and I was just like, | 0:13:41 | 0:13:44 | |
"We've cracked it", you know? It's comedy. | 0:13:44 | 0:13:46 | |
Comedy is the thing that reaches out to everyone. | 0:13:46 | 0:13:48 | |
PIANO MELODY | 0:13:48 | 0:13:52 | |
Aislinn Clark is an experienced short filmmaker, and at the end | 0:13:52 | 0:13:55 | |
of this month production will start on her first feature. | 0:13:55 | 0:13:58 | |
I think short film is a useful place for filmmakers | 0:13:58 | 0:14:02 | |
to play around with things that you might not be able | 0:14:02 | 0:14:05 | |
to play around with in feature-length filmmaking. | 0:14:05 | 0:14:08 | |
PIANO MELODY | 0:14:08 | 0:14:09 | |
If you are making a short, you can take the opportunity to be | 0:14:09 | 0:14:12 | |
a bit more experimental, try things out a bit more. | 0:14:12 | 0:14:14 | |
I think shorts are definitely an important way of getting | 0:14:14 | 0:14:18 | |
you in shape for making a feature. | 0:14:18 | 0:14:20 | |
I don't think anybody would be advised to go off | 0:14:20 | 0:14:23 | |
and make a feature without having made a short. | 0:14:23 | 0:14:25 | |
A lot of people see it as just being a mini version of a feature film, | 0:14:25 | 0:14:29 | |
but actually, short films are their own complete thing and they can | 0:14:29 | 0:14:32 | |
and should be taken in that spirit. | 0:14:32 | 0:14:34 | |
I think short film is definitely an important step towards building | 0:14:34 | 0:14:38 | |
a reputation internationally for film in Northern Ireland. | 0:14:38 | 0:14:41 | |
Northern Ireland is an extremely vibrant place | 0:14:41 | 0:14:44 | |
for filmmaking at the minute. | 0:14:44 | 0:14:46 | |
It's a very exciting place make for filmmaking right now, | 0:14:46 | 0:14:48 | |
and I think the ripples are echoing across the world. | 0:14:48 | 0:14:52 | |
PIANO MUSIC | 0:14:52 | 0:14:55 | |
Like many local filmmakers, | 0:14:55 | 0:14:57 | |
Aislinn has received funding from Northern Ireland Screen, | 0:14:57 | 0:15:01 | |
the agency responsible for directing public money into film production. | 0:15:01 | 0:15:05 | |
To develop the sector generally, you have to create opportunities. | 0:15:05 | 0:15:08 | |
Short films are a great opportunity for, | 0:15:08 | 0:15:10 | |
particularly, writers and directors. | 0:15:10 | 0:15:12 | |
This single, strategic focus we have for short films | 0:15:12 | 0:15:16 | |
at Northern Ireland Screen is to impress on those making | 0:15:16 | 0:15:19 | |
the films that they need to have a purpose. | 0:15:19 | 0:15:22 | |
Not everybody will like me saying this, but from a strategic | 0:15:22 | 0:15:25 | |
point of view, they're not an end in themselves for us. | 0:15:25 | 0:15:27 | |
Yet there are a range of other genres - | 0:15:27 | 0:15:30 | |
documentary, art and experimental films, animation - | 0:15:30 | 0:15:34 | |
which don't fit so readily into this very industry-based view. | 0:15:34 | 0:15:38 | |
I think, for me, I look at the short film as a poetic work of art. | 0:15:40 | 0:15:47 | |
Back in the day when I went to film school, | 0:15:47 | 0:15:49 | |
a short film was ten minutes. It was for cinema. It had to be cinematic. | 0:15:49 | 0:15:54 | |
It had to have mise en scene, it had to have a narrative arc, | 0:15:54 | 0:15:58 | |
a turning point, maybe a gag, maybe a joke, | 0:15:58 | 0:16:01 | |
maybe a revelation at the end. | 0:16:01 | 0:16:02 | |
It's not necessarily financial, is not necessarily fame. | 0:16:04 | 0:16:09 | |
It might just be too tell a little story about your cat, I don't know. | 0:16:09 | 0:16:17 | |
The city I know was built in the global age. | 0:16:18 | 0:16:22 | |
When the world was already round. | 0:16:22 | 0:16:24 | |
Stuart Sloan is a local filmmaker | 0:16:24 | 0:16:26 | |
and also one of the founders of Second Chance Cinema. | 0:16:26 | 0:16:30 | |
Part of the reason we wanted to start screening films | 0:16:30 | 0:16:33 | |
is because there's so little opportunity in Belfast. | 0:16:33 | 0:16:36 | |
And what opportunity there is sometimes gets | 0:16:36 | 0:16:38 | |
dominated by funded films, or a bigger-budget films. | 0:16:38 | 0:16:43 | |
The city of 20 years ago is being erased slowly. | 0:16:43 | 0:16:47 | |
Sometimes when you make a film, you spend all those hours, | 0:16:47 | 0:16:49 | |
and you just put it on YouTube, | 0:16:49 | 0:16:51 | |
and people kind of watch it while doing something else. | 0:16:51 | 0:16:53 | |
That kind of devalues it a little bit. | 0:16:53 | 0:16:56 | |
We show things a dedicated cinema space. | 0:16:56 | 0:16:58 | |
In darkness, lights off, comfy seats. | 0:16:58 | 0:17:01 | |
That gives a certain validity to the films themselves. | 0:17:01 | 0:17:04 | |
And as a film-maker, that's often all you get. | 0:17:04 | 0:17:07 | |
And it's worth it for that. | 0:17:07 | 0:17:09 | |
The success of a number of narrative shorts over the last 20 years | 0:17:09 | 0:17:13 | |
shows what can be achieved with funding and support. | 0:17:13 | 0:17:16 | |
But the industry won't provide for everything. | 0:17:16 | 0:17:19 | |
And developing a really vibrant filmgoing culture means | 0:17:19 | 0:17:22 | |
enabling other voices. | 0:17:22 | 0:17:24 | |
With money coming in from the commercial sector, the next step | 0:17:24 | 0:17:28 | |
is to build up the diversity of films made and seen here. | 0:17:28 | 0:17:31 | |
Puccini's Opera, Turandot, best known for its aria Nessun Dorma, | 0:17:36 | 0:17:40 | |
was recently staged in Belfast by Northern Ireland Opera | 0:17:40 | 0:17:44 | |
in its first international coproduction. | 0:17:44 | 0:17:46 | |
It was a radical reinterpretation by Calixto Bieito, | 0:17:46 | 0:17:50 | |
who's been described as Europe's most over-the-top director. | 0:17:50 | 0:17:53 | |
He's firmly part of the contemporary opera world, | 0:17:53 | 0:17:57 | |
which renovates traditional opera in increasingly shocking | 0:17:57 | 0:18:00 | |
and sensational ways. | 0:18:00 | 0:18:02 | |
I met him on opening night. | 0:18:02 | 0:18:05 | |
OPERA MUSIC | 0:18:05 | 0:18:06 | |
Very dramatic, but pretty gruesome! | 0:18:13 | 0:18:15 | |
Unfortunately, sometimes the grotesque | 0:18:15 | 0:18:18 | |
and the sense of menace took away from the traditional story. | 0:18:18 | 0:18:22 | |
Pretty theatrical, pretty gory, and a bit shocking in places. | 0:18:22 | 0:18:26 | |
It's shocking, it's bloody, it's violent. | 0:18:26 | 0:18:29 | |
I don't think it's bloody or shocking. I don't think so. | 0:18:29 | 0:18:34 | |
What I'm trying to do with Puccini is to be very near to the music, | 0:18:36 | 0:18:40 | |
because this is probably my favourite opera of Puccini. | 0:18:40 | 0:18:44 | |
I'm trying to express the emotions inside the music. | 0:18:44 | 0:18:48 | |
I'm never thinking that I will shock the audience with that. | 0:18:48 | 0:18:52 | |
Newspapers are shocking me much more than any opera or any piece of art. | 0:18:52 | 0:18:58 | |
I think, first of all, Calixto's interpretation isn't just about | 0:19:00 | 0:19:03 | |
shocking, and it's not just about blood and gore and all those things. | 0:19:03 | 0:19:06 | |
Although there is a lot of that. | 0:19:06 | 0:19:07 | |
There is a lot of that, but I think there probably would be in any | 0:19:07 | 0:19:10 | |
production of Turandot, actually. | 0:19:10 | 0:19:12 | |
But I think that what's more important is that it's a very | 0:19:12 | 0:19:14 | |
sophisticated take on the opera. | 0:19:14 | 0:19:16 | |
I think this is very, very clear - | 0:19:16 | 0:19:18 | |
this is something which has a huge amount of integrity. | 0:19:18 | 0:19:20 | |
As well as something which is disturbing. | 0:19:20 | 0:19:23 | |
I thought it was exploitative. | 0:19:25 | 0:19:27 | |
I thought it was unnecessarily violent. | 0:19:27 | 0:19:29 | |
The setting was obviously a bit controversial. | 0:19:29 | 0:19:32 | |
I thought the idea of moving the scene of the opera | 0:19:32 | 0:19:35 | |
to Revolutionary China was a good one. | 0:19:35 | 0:19:38 | |
But some of the other special effects were over the top, | 0:19:38 | 0:19:42 | |
for me, and I thought they stood in the way of following the music. | 0:19:42 | 0:19:46 | |
I'm a bit of a traditionalist, to be honest. | 0:19:46 | 0:19:49 | |
I like to see operas in the period in which they're set. | 0:19:49 | 0:19:52 | |
Why is it important though, | 0:19:57 | 0:20:00 | |
to resite a traditional opera in a contemporary context? | 0:20:00 | 0:20:04 | |
What is really important is the will inside of yourself | 0:20:04 | 0:20:09 | |
to put this opera to the audience today. | 0:20:09 | 0:20:12 | |
Otherwise the opera, it will die. | 0:20:12 | 0:20:14 | |
You can say, "Listen, I like much more the opera where it is | 0:20:14 | 0:20:19 | |
"with wonderful costumes like in Disney." | 0:20:19 | 0:20:22 | |
I like much more the show like this done in this direction. | 0:20:22 | 0:20:26 | |
This is just a question of taste. | 0:20:26 | 0:20:28 | |
What the director was trying to do with this production was to | 0:20:32 | 0:20:35 | |
make sure that the setting wasn't something which was just | 0:20:35 | 0:20:39 | |
a fairytale. That it was a setting we could relate to. | 0:20:39 | 0:20:42 | |
And he did this by replacing the action away from that | 0:20:42 | 0:20:47 | |
into a more contemporary setting, in a factory, where the workers | 0:20:47 | 0:20:50 | |
are downtrodden, they have no rights, they have no wages. | 0:20:50 | 0:20:53 | |
Again, they're completely subservient to the | 0:20:53 | 0:20:55 | |
person in charge, in this case, the boss. | 0:20:55 | 0:20:57 | |
I guess this is what Turandot is in this particular interpretation. | 0:20:57 | 0:21:01 | |
And he draws some very, very startling | 0:21:01 | 0:21:04 | |
and relevant parallels by doing this. | 0:21:04 | 0:21:06 | |
I think it makes it much more fresh and much more contemporary. | 0:21:06 | 0:21:09 | |
I think that's important, and I think that's good. | 0:21:09 | 0:21:12 | |
It means that opera doesn't just become about escapism, | 0:21:12 | 0:21:16 | |
but it becomes about people's lives, and life as it is now. | 0:21:16 | 0:21:19 | |
Fantastic! Absolutely fantastic. Very moving. | 0:21:21 | 0:21:24 | |
The torture was really quite believable. | 0:21:24 | 0:21:28 | |
Your body could actually feel it. | 0:21:28 | 0:21:31 | |
I've been talking to people who've said, "I didn't come to see that." | 0:21:31 | 0:21:35 | |
I think there are images in the interpretation which | 0:21:39 | 0:21:43 | |
-I have certainly never seen on stage before. -Like what? | 0:21:43 | 0:21:47 | |
There is a scene whereby a woman is on the stage, | 0:21:47 | 0:21:51 | |
and it's very clear that she's been the victim of sexual assault. | 0:21:51 | 0:21:55 | |
I think that what's Calixto's doing by interrupting | 0:21:59 | 0:22:02 | |
the piece in this way is making sure that some of the undercurrents | 0:22:02 | 0:22:06 | |
of the piece, where total power is very, | 0:22:06 | 0:22:08 | |
very brutalising for the people who exercise it, as well as for | 0:22:08 | 0:22:12 | |
the people who are the victims of it, is absently at the forefront. | 0:22:12 | 0:22:15 | |
I think that is something which we see now, we see brutal regimes | 0:22:15 | 0:22:19 | |
and the way they treat people, the way which, often women, | 0:22:19 | 0:22:22 | |
in particular, are treated, when people have complete power. | 0:22:22 | 0:22:26 | |
# But if you strip her naked... # | 0:22:30 | 0:22:33 | |
The original version was hard to beat. Really. | 0:22:33 | 0:22:36 | |
It's a beautiful piece of music, and I couldn't understand why | 0:22:36 | 0:22:40 | |
anybody would want to do some of the things they did. | 0:22:40 | 0:22:44 | |
I wonder what Puccini would have thought of it? | 0:22:44 | 0:22:46 | |
It's very difficult, of course, to know exactly what Puccini wanted. | 0:22:49 | 0:22:52 | |
Often people say, "One should just do what the composer wanted," | 0:22:52 | 0:22:55 | |
and it's impossible to know what composer would have wanted. | 0:22:55 | 0:22:58 | |
I think what we are doing is making sure those themes, | 0:22:58 | 0:23:01 | |
those undercurrents in the original work | 0:23:01 | 0:23:04 | |
have meaning for a contemporary audience. | 0:23:04 | 0:23:06 | |
I think as soon as one starts to put productions in period costumes, | 0:23:06 | 0:23:10 | |
I think there is a distance between what's on stage and the audience, | 0:23:10 | 0:23:13 | |
simply because people don't recognise these people. | 0:23:13 | 0:23:16 | |
I think it becomes an event which is something else. | 0:23:16 | 0:23:20 | |
And I think an artistic event has to be challenging. | 0:23:20 | 0:23:23 | |
It brings opera, which is very traditional, | 0:23:25 | 0:23:28 | |
into a very modern setting. | 0:23:28 | 0:23:30 | |
And maybe opening it up to a wider audience, which is good. | 0:23:30 | 0:23:33 | |
So opera should shock, it should provoke, it should make people react? | 0:23:36 | 0:23:42 | |
Opera must make people feel emotions. | 0:23:42 | 0:23:45 | |
I think the nearest thing to God is music. | 0:23:45 | 0:23:49 | |
Music has to provoke this feeling. | 0:23:49 | 0:23:51 | |
And, when you go home, if you think what you saw in this opera | 0:23:51 | 0:23:55 | |
and you can have a good discussion with your friends, | 0:23:55 | 0:24:00 | |
this is what opera has to do. | 0:24:00 | 0:24:02 | |
-Calixto, thank you. -Thank you. | 0:24:02 | 0:24:04 | |
MUSIC: Nessun Dorma | 0:24:10 | 0:24:12 | |
As we said earlier, Nessun Dorma is Turandot's most famous aria. | 0:24:12 | 0:24:16 | |
The Art Show thought it would be fun if a member of the cast went | 0:24:16 | 0:24:20 | |
along to Cliftonville football ground to sing it at an Irish League game. | 0:24:20 | 0:24:24 | |
You can watch our video online. | 0:24:24 | 0:24:26 | |
HE HOLDS A TRIUMPHANT NOTE | 0:24:26 | 0:24:29 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:24:29 | 0:24:31 | |
And staying with opera - few in the audience will have seen as many | 0:24:33 | 0:24:37 | |
productions as Belfast man, Richard Clarke. | 0:24:37 | 0:24:40 | |
Turandot was his 528th opera, | 0:24:40 | 0:24:44 | |
and he's kept the programmes of every production he's been to see. | 0:24:44 | 0:24:47 | |
It's a collection that reflects a lifelong passion that began in 1945. | 0:24:47 | 0:24:53 | |
MUSIC: Marriage Of Figaro (Overture) by Mozart | 0:24:53 | 0:24:56 | |
I just love opera. I love the sound of it. | 0:25:01 | 0:25:03 | |
The Sadler's Wells Company came over here, and they did three operas. | 0:25:08 | 0:25:13 | |
Boheme, Butterfly and, surprisingly, The Bartered Bride. | 0:25:16 | 0:25:20 | |
I got to see all these. | 0:25:23 | 0:25:24 | |
At that time I was at school, and it was just across the road. | 0:25:24 | 0:25:28 | |
And I went quite often. | 0:25:28 | 0:25:30 | |
I had some pocket money, but I also had dinner money. | 0:25:34 | 0:25:38 | |
And the money for the dinner, | 0:25:38 | 0:25:40 | |
I very rarely spent on school dinners. | 0:25:40 | 0:25:43 | |
I had a Mars bar instead. | 0:25:43 | 0:25:44 | |
And the money would be then available, either for buying | 0:25:44 | 0:25:49 | |
gramophone records, or coming to the opera here. | 0:25:49 | 0:25:51 | |
Talk to me about Maria Callas, | 0:25:57 | 0:25:59 | |
-because you have a signed photograph of her as well? -Yes. | 0:25:59 | 0:26:02 | |
Did you like her a lot? Was she your favourite? | 0:26:02 | 0:26:04 | |
Yes, she was. | 0:26:04 | 0:26:05 | |
She had a great emotional intensity, that she could put into something. | 0:26:05 | 0:26:10 | |
So where else in the world did you go to? What other famous opera houses? | 0:26:16 | 0:26:21 | |
Bayreuth, Wagner's home for a long period, was a great attraction. | 0:26:21 | 0:26:27 | |
We sat through the whole of The Ring, twice. | 0:26:33 | 0:26:36 | |
In those days you could get into Bayreuth. | 0:26:42 | 0:26:44 | |
Nowadays, there's a waiting list for tickets. | 0:26:44 | 0:26:47 | |
But this was the first post-war festival. | 0:26:47 | 0:26:50 | |
I still have the programmes and the ticket stubs, | 0:26:52 | 0:26:56 | |
which I stuck into an album. | 0:26:56 | 0:26:58 | |
What has putting this collection together meant to you? | 0:26:58 | 0:27:01 | |
In the last few weeks, it has stirred up all my old memories, | 0:27:01 | 0:27:05 | |
and made me think of the great operas I've seen, | 0:27:05 | 0:27:08 | |
and the great characters I've seen in them. | 0:27:08 | 0:27:10 | |
This is a rich archive of opera history, from the late 1940s, | 0:27:13 | 0:27:19 | |
right up to present day. | 0:27:19 | 0:27:21 | |
Do you think young people are as passionate as you were about opera? | 0:27:21 | 0:27:27 | |
Sadly, they're not. You see very few young people at any of these things. | 0:27:27 | 0:27:31 | |
It's mostly the grey-haired brigade. | 0:27:31 | 0:27:34 | |
Your children, what do they make of your collection? | 0:27:36 | 0:27:38 | |
Well, they're not interested, just at all. | 0:27:38 | 0:27:40 | |
They're not interested in opera or the archives of opera. | 0:27:40 | 0:27:43 | |
So I'll have to find a good home for all my material. | 0:27:43 | 0:27:47 | |
And The Art Show is pleased to reveal that Richard is | 0:28:00 | 0:28:04 | |
donating his collection to Northern Ireland Opera, | 0:28:04 | 0:28:07 | |
which will make it available online in due course. | 0:28:07 | 0:28:10 | |
And that's it for this month, we're back in December, | 0:28:10 | 0:28:13 | |
with a special tribute to Brian Friel. | 0:28:13 | 0:28:16 | |
And the conversation continues now on Twitter | 0:28:16 | 0:28:18 | |
and on BBC Radio Ulster, | 0:28:18 | 0:28:20 | |
Tuesdays-Fridays, at 6.30pm. | 0:28:20 | 0:28:22 | |
Until next time, good night. | 0:28:22 | 0:28:24 |