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Matt Baker and Alex Jones are joined in the studio by Dame Judi Dench and her Victoria and Abdul co-star Ali Fazal.

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Welcome to the One Show with Matt Baker


Tonight we are joined by Indian movie star Ali Fazal and -


in her own words - "jobbing actor" Dame Judi Dench!


CHEERING AND APPLAUSE We are delighted to have you with us


this evening. Dame Judi, can you confirm


it is in fact you sat on the sofa? The reason I ask is


because of this headline It'sTracy Ullman doing


an impression of you! You are a fan of her impression? I'm


a huge fan. It gets me in trouble. As I was looking at vegetables a guy


said "watch it." Maybe you haven't seen this. Let us enjoy it together.


Here we go. Oi, I saw that. Do you want me to call the police? I don't


know what you mean. Oh, it's you, isn't it? If you mean, is it Dame


Judi Dench then, yes, it is. How nice to meet There must be you.


Something wrong with the security camera. They can be tempermental. I


loved you in James Bond. Oh, we tried to tell a good story and thank


you. What was I thinking. Dame Judi Dench wouldn't shoplift you're a


national treasure. Exactly! Oh, my word. That's so good. It's so good.


We will talk about your new film, Victoria and Abdul. We saw it this


morning and we loved it. We did. But first we turn to another member


of the Royal Family, Princess Diana. Her funeral, 20 years ago today,


was watched by 31 million people in the UK and an estimated


2 billion people worldwide. But the four people we're


about to meet all have a very special reason to remember


where they were on that day. You'd wave and you'd say good


morning and she would reply with a wave and a smile. The Royal funerals


are written and to a degree we can prepare, but obviously this was


totally unexpected. There was no second text, it was Sir Elton John


and the piano. The mobile went I said, "yes" the voice said "would


you tune the piano for Elton John." It was like any other job, "that's


fine, great." Then I sat down... It hit me like a thunder bolt - I was


worried actually at first because Sir Elton wanted the piano done on


the Saturday morning. Oh, that was the day of the funeral. If anything


unexpected had gone, there was no error of margin. Fortunately he had


a change of mind. I went there on the Friday, I wanted to look good


for Diana. I was walking up that long aisle and I seen the piano in


the distance, sitting there. I was really nervous. I kept going over it


and checking everything. I had to keep my emotions on hold until the


next day, when Elton had played. # Goodbye England's rose, may you


ever grow in our hearts... # Once everything was fine, no


comeback, no phone calls, nothing, then I could relax and grieve like


everybody else. Which I did. That was my day.


Diana used to use Kensington Gardens a lot. She would take the boys


around the park, we saw her push them in the pushchair and take them


up to the playground. She was part of the park community. People were


turning up in their thousands. There were more and more flowers, candles


appearing. We had to make plans for the funeral route coming from


Kensington Palace. The whole of the world was going to see this. I never


stopped. On the Saturday morning, I thought, well, before the funeral


starts, if there are any issues, I'll sit-in my car and I'll be able


to go to any point as quickly as possible. I listened to the funeral


on the radio. And the gun carrage with the coffin. As I did that, I


nodded off, I was exhausted. -- carriage. We rehearsed, we


practiced. We were feeling very nervous, anticipating what was to


come. We went down to Kensington Palace on the morning of the


funeral. We probably had that point three or four hours to prepare. It


was my responsibility to clamp the coffin on to the funeral board. It


was the one that had played on my mind throughout the week and the


rehearsals. As we exited the grounds of Kensington Palace and hit the


crowd for the first time, the wailing and the screaming started.


Physically I felt myself take a sharp intake of breath. Mark and I


marched behind the gun, I on the left hand side and Mark on the right


hand side of the horses. Personally the emotion, I found it quite


difficult. I thought a lot about the Princes behind and what they must be


going through. Once we arrived at the Abb why and the Welsh Guards


took the coffin off, it was a ept mo of big relief. It was a real feeling


of emotion, but also of almost satisfaction that we'd carried her


safely to the Abbey and we were proud of what we did.


A week after the funeral came the time for removing all the tributes


that had been laid. The soft toys were distributed amongst children's


hospitals and all the cards were taken up to Althorp. The flowers


were kept here in Kensington Gardens. We had them composted. We


ended up putting that back on to our flowerbeds. I think she would have


loved that because she did like the gardens and that would have been a


fitting tribute. It's hard to believe that it was 20


years ago. O Isn't it. Can you remember watching the funeral, Judi?


Yes. I remember most of all the day she died and thinking my daughter,


coming out into the garden where I was hanging out some clothes and


telling me the news. I'm sure for everybody it was so shocking. It is


that moment that everybody remembers where they were, don't they? Yes.


You said you were only ten? I remember my mum and my grandmother,


there was lots of noise in the house. The TV was on. We were back


in India. I was woken up. It was the middle of the night. I don't


remember the time. I remember being woken up. It was just tears in my


mother's eyes. I knew something was awfully wrong. Then of course I saw


the TV. We all knew who she was. We will move on to brighter things and


talk about the new film. In 1997 you were playing Victoria back then.


Here we are now, 20 years on, you are playing her again. The film


takes place in her Golden Jubilee year, with this very unexpected


meeting. Really when the film starts she's in a very dark place, it


seems? Yes. She's in a sad, dark place. She's, you know, in her 80s


and, she says in it, all her friends are dropping off all around her. She


has nobody, I think, to be a confidante and to talk to and to


laugh with and share things. Excuse me. It's four years after John Brown


has died. So she's kind of giving up a bit. When you hear all that she


has every day, it's like she has at the moment, so many things to do


every day. She doesn't have the luxury to think, I have two-days up,


put my feet up the chimney, you know! Her luck changes, in a sense?


It certainly does. By the arrival... By the arrival of the very handsome


Abdul. Ali, you play Abdul... Just tell us a bit about him. It's a


story not many people will know before they see the film? Yes, it's


shocking. History conveniently decided to sort of shove it aside.


On both sides. In India nobody seems to know about this. I knew very


little. This is 15 years the last phase of Queen Vic tore ya's life.


This man walked in, this wonderful friendship starting brewing. It


wasn't just friendship, it is was a weird one. There was something,


wasn't there, more than - Intimate, respect. It was a tender and


beautiful relationship that they had. Judi, did you know anything


about this. These diaries, Abdul's diaries were only discovered - They


were destroyed after he was uncertificate moaniously sent


packing after she died. So we know nothing - we knew nothing about it,


you know. They were found, a trunk was found with some letters in it.


So that's how we know that this existeded in anyway. Let us have a


look then at the film. Here is one of the moments that Victoria and


Abdul shared behind closed doors with the household in panic


wandering what was going on. Meh. Meh. Rani. Rani. Rani. Um. Oh. Um.


Um, um, um. He's teaching her Hindu. Is that allowed? Oh, my goodness me!


APPLAUSE You play a great character, Ali, you


really do. Isn't she so good. You picked it up so well. The way you


cut through all that somehow your character and everything that is


going around the pomp and ceremony and everything, somehow you come in


and cut through it all. Which is what Victoria seems to love so much.


How did you get this part, how did it all happen? Oh, God with, it was


like a video game. Lots of levels I had to cross. Right. Stephen Frears


is at the end of it somewhere, he's this haze. I was sitting with a


friend of mine, in India, she said the auditions were happening last


week, you're late are. Why don't you try it out. I remember we recorded


the scene, two scenes, on my phone. Right. I got a caught 30 days later


that Stephen Frears was am coulding to India to go through different


actors, Bollywood actors and everything. There was a series of


things that happened. I came to London, my, God, it was to the point


of becoming delusional about it. I don't know how I would react if I


didn't get the part. Really, really? It all worked out. How much did you


know about David -- Dame Judi before you got to London? Nothing. I would


stand in the mirror like that. There is great chemistry between you off


and on screen that works so well. It's lucky that happens. We met, I


think was it the day before. A couple of days before we had lunch.


Yes, we were quite nervous. There was no need to be nervous or anxious


or anything. You were nervous! I was. My God. Is that nervous! You


were pretty cool about it, I thought. That really comes across in


in the film. A lovely relationship between you. Was there apprehension


in playing her again, Judi, Victoria, obviously we had Mrs Brown


and here you are again We had a lovely time doing that with John


Madden. I think if we hadn't - if this was an episode that I had known


about, it would have been given. Not knowing about it and not many people


knowing about it, it seemed a wonderful chance. I thought Lee's


script was wonderful. I have worked with Stephen five times. It seemed


to take her life on a bichlt I think, I've done the homework about


this person already, so it's just a question of telling this bit of


story. I was very pleased to be asked to do it. You must be pleased


with the outcome? Well... Now I can't do anything about it. There's


no need to worry. It's brilliant. It's fantastic. We will chat more.


Time for a wildlife film now and everything's


connected on this show, because here's a film that wouldn't


be possible without the Victorians love for a small bird


that was originally brought to the UK from Ali's homeland.


Originally from the tropics, these parakeets were first brought over as


pets in the Victorian era. Over time many have escaped and have bred


successfully and now they are a common sight in the south-east of


England. During early spring they are in the mood for love and start


their courtship displays. Fascinating behaviour to watch, but


what really interests me is where these birds will choose to nest.


Normally the use holes entries but recently they have been using them


closer to home. I have seen them coming out of roof spaces so in a


wildlife first I have decided to try to film some parakeet checks in


someone's attic. Finding a wrist space I can get into with my


cameras, a whole other matter. I have teamed up with local bird


enthusiast Nick Mitchell, who has devised a custom-made camera that


should do the job. I like the reinforcement you have read the


cables. That will be important? Yes, to prove the Lee Mack protect


against the big sharp beak of the parakeet. And in the roof of a


pub... He has a quick look and, sure enough, a parakeet is nesting.


Landlady Dora is quite excited about her feathery tenants who have been


squatting here for the last couple of years. Any idea you had parakeets


nesting in Europe? When I came into work there was a load of wood on the


floor checked and I thought someone was hacking at the door to try to


get in -- did you have any idea you had parakeets nesting in your roof?


For the next few hours, they put cables around the pub and then try


to install the camera, but getting the correct angle proves difficult


as the nest is tucked behind one of the beams. He can't get the camera


in close enough. Guys, what does it look like? We do need to be quite a


bit closer. But the adult parakeet is getting agitated. Nick works


quickly to make a couple more adjustments. You can just see a


slight brownish white shape on the edge of the screen there, and that


is an egg, so we are on track for filming baby parakeets. Sadly a


couple of weeks later the nest feels and the chicks hatched don't


survive, but as parakeets can have another batch in the same season,


just over a month later it is second time lucky. A little baby! Dora, who


has been monitoring their activity for us, thinks she notices something


different in the parents' behaviour. Dad has not been coming in so much


and she has been left alone to do it all by yourself. The first time the


mail kept coming in and trying to get involved, and it didn't work.


The baby must have got smothered and died, quite sad. But this time he


stayed away and she has done a good job. The insight into that


relationship between the male and female is fascinating. We wouldn't


know it without the cameras. Yes, nice to see it. Dora wants to share


her excitement with the locals in the pub so everyone can see her new


regulars. Are you ready, Nick? Here we go! The parakeet certainly spark


interest with her punters. Will they be back next year? Dora say they


have been here three years in a row, so, yes, maybe longer. I reckon


these ones will be permanent residents. I think so. Are you


charging them rent? No! LAUGHTER


As the chicks become more settled and bigger, we move the camera and


slowly introduce a light, so we can see them in their full glory. The


light is pretty much bang on the nest and the great thing is you can


see the parakeet checks turning green, so it is the perfect time to


get that light on them. So we have success, I wildlife first, and in


colour! Wild parakeet checks in a nest. These four will stay here for


around a month and a half before they fledge, so for while you can


come down to the pub, have a paint and a parakeet.


STUDIO: What about that! They are cute. And there is an update,


because the littlest one actually fell out of the nest, but everything


is fine- don't worry! It is actually being looked after by Dora in the


pub, and there is the proof, nesting on her head! Quite a typical site,


though, when you were at school, Ali? Yes, and they would lock their


beaks together, like this. I was at a boarding school at the foothills


of the Himalayas, and we would see them around. Of course they would


destroy our fruit! LAUGHTER


And these noisy things. God forbid, humans start training them, and they


are the ones who also make a noise, aren't you?


are the ones who also make a noise, aren't they?


That is another business. We will get Richard on that, don't worry!


And earlier on we saw a very good clip, from Murder on the Orient


Express. We just have the picture here, not the clip. We saw a clip


earlier which we obviously can't play!


LAUGHTER I was just completely still.


LAUGHTER It was a 15 second clip, wasn't it?


But in that 15 seconds was yourself, Johnny Depp, Michelle Pfeiffer...


Ali, you need to get on board. Orient Express 2, you need to be in


it! A fantastic cast. Yes, it was. And it was nice to play someone


fictional? Yes, two dogs and Olivia Goldman.


LAUGHTER Did you embroider any interesting


phrases on any cushions for any of the cast members? I can't do that


any more, can't see to do it! Well, we didn't know that it was a thing,


but you used to make cushions with quite rude phrases on them. I did


make some quite polite ones as well! Did you? We were surprised at some


of the phrases. Quite. I'm not allowed to see them here... You


can't even... Ali, what will you be going back onto after this? We


understand there is a comedy series you work on? I am doing something


with Amazon in India which is very exciting. I have a film coming out


cold Fukrey, part two. The first one was a big hit back in India, so we


just finished filming it, so that is the comedy -- it


is called 's Fukrey and it comes out at the end of the year. And we have


heard that Daniel Craig is reprising his role as Bond. What would you


like to see, Dame Judi, happening to Bond in this one? The ghost of M to


walk in. LAUGHTER


Here is hoping! We would all like to see that. I just look forward to


seeing another Bond film. Well, we spoke about the orient Express. This


isn't that one, but the Midland Line from Redditch to Birmingham.


Dom's been riding it and he might not witness a murder,


but he does find some bad behaviour that's landing some


I am working with officers tasked with stamping out anti-social


behaviour. They will be enforcing little-known bylaws are some of


which date back to Victorian times. I am keen to see the reaction...


These have been around for years but are not enforced by many train


companies, suffer the past three months London Midland has been


running a scheme, issuing warnings to passengers displaying a range of


bad behaviours, and after today they can result in a fine or even


prosecution. Right, what sort of things are you looking for? People


with feet on the seats, smoking, loud music, swearing, being abusive


to anyone else. The 22 bylaws range from going up escalators the wrong


way, not allowing passengers to get off the train before you get on, and


even not having a valid ticket for your pet. In fact anything


considered anti-social. There is one very annoying by law being broken


more than any other. Kenny Britt your feet down, please? Almost half


of all the warnings given it so far have been to people with their feet


up -- can you put your feet down, please. That is actually classed as


anti-social behaviour. If you think someone has their feet on the sick,


do you think finding them is a bit over the top? No, because it causes


discomfort to other passengers because they may have to stand up


for their journey because they feel uncomfortable asking someone to take


it down. Secondly, you don't know what you're putting on the seat. As


for the next guy we come across, his feet on the seats are about to get


him into even more trouble. Brian takes off the train for failing to


purchase a ticket for his journey. Step over here, a second. I just


received a ticket from the officer. Jumping on the train without a


ticket. Do you know why he came during the first place? He spotted


you had your feet on the seats. A lot of people commit anti-social


behaviour do it willingly and a lot of the time they will not have


purchased tickets. But some people become across, they have tickets,


but they just fall into the bracket of doing something silly. Before


getting back on the train Brian spot somebody smoking on the platform.


Just about right in front of the card. -- he did that right in front


of the guard! Can you put that out for me, please? I am seeing how


little people adhere to these bylaws. It is the smoker from the


platform again. Get your feet down off the seats. He has only gone and


caught him with his feet on the seats. I tell you what, you'll be


out of pocket soon. Go on, tell him off. At the moment the scheme is


just on the Cross city south line which runs from Redditch to


Birmingham, but they say it will be expanded across all London Midland


lines by the end of the year, so do the passengers approve? Do you think


it is wrong to put your feet on the seats? Yes. Why did you do it? I


don't see the massive issue. It is not nice for other train passengers,


I suppose, so, yes, all for it. It is just human nature. People like to


be comparable. I feel a bit like a child getting told off, basically.


That is how I felt. Little misdemeanours, compared to other


things on the train, it is a bit daft. It has been a busy few months


for Brian and the team with more than 500 warnings handed out, but


they say they can already see a different customer satisfaction. One


bit of advice to passengers right now about what is happening, in one


sentence. Take you are travelling. It all seems pretty clear to me, if


you don't want a fine, don't do the crime. Is that right, Brian? Yes!


Midland Line they have a series there. -- yes, they have a series


there. Would you... No, you wouldn't, would you, Judi? Certainly


not, dear. You can bet your feet up and Yes because we are finished, out


of time. That's all we have time for -


thank you so much to Victoria Abdul is out


next Friday the 15th. Thanks for your company tonight.


Wonderful stuff. Tomorrow we're joined


by the new Strictly judge Shirley Ballas in her first TV


interview, and Neil Sedaka will be perfoming live -


see you at 7!


Matt Baker and Alex Jones are joined by Dame Judi Dench and her Victoria and Abdul co-star Ali Fazal.

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