06/09/2017 The One Show


06/09/2017

Matt Baker and Alex Jones are joined in the studio by Dame Judi Dench and her Victoria and Abdul co-star Ali Fazal.


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Welcome to the One Show with Matt Baker

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Tonight we are joined by Indian movie star Ali Fazal and -

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in her own words - "jobbing actor" Dame Judi Dench!

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CHEERING AND APPLAUSE We are delighted to have you with us

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this evening. Dame Judi, can you confirm

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it is in fact you sat on the sofa? The reason I ask is

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because of this headline It'sTracy Ullman doing

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an impression of you! You are a fan of her impression? I'm

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a huge fan. It gets me in trouble. As I was looking at vegetables a guy

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said "watch it." Maybe you haven't seen this. Let us enjoy it together.

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Here we go. Oi, I saw that. Do you want me to call the police? I don't

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know what you mean. Oh, it's you, isn't it? If you mean, is it Dame

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Judi Dench then, yes, it is. How nice to meet There must be you.

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Something wrong with the security camera. They can be tempermental. I

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loved you in James Bond. Oh, we tried to tell a good story and thank

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you. What was I thinking. Dame Judi Dench wouldn't shoplift you're a

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national treasure. Exactly! Oh, my word. That's so good. It's so good.

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We will talk about your new film, Victoria and Abdul. We saw it this

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morning and we loved it. We did. But first we turn to another member

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of the Royal Family, Princess Diana. Her funeral, 20 years ago today,

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was watched by 31 million people in the UK and an estimated

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2 billion people worldwide. But the four people we're

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about to meet all have a very special reason to remember

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where they were on that day. You'd wave and you'd say good

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morning and she would reply with a wave and a smile. The Royal funerals

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are written and to a degree we can prepare, but obviously this was

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totally unexpected. There was no second text, it was Sir Elton John

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and the piano. The mobile went I said, "yes" the voice said "would

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you tune the piano for Elton John." It was like any other job, "that's

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fine, great." Then I sat down... It hit me like a thunder bolt - I was

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worried actually at first because Sir Elton wanted the piano done on

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the Saturday morning. Oh, that was the day of the funeral. If anything

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unexpected had gone, there was no error of margin. Fortunately he had

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a change of mind. I went there on the Friday, I wanted to look good

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for Diana. I was walking up that long aisle and I seen the piano in

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the distance, sitting there. I was really nervous. I kept going over it

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and checking everything. I had to keep my emotions on hold until the

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next day, when Elton had played. # Goodbye England's rose, may you

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ever grow in our hearts... # Once everything was fine, no

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comeback, no phone calls, nothing, then I could relax and grieve like

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everybody else. Which I did. That was my day.

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Diana used to use Kensington Gardens a lot. She would take the boys

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around the park, we saw her push them in the pushchair and take them

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up to the playground. She was part of the park community. People were

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turning up in their thousands. There were more and more flowers, candles

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appearing. We had to make plans for the funeral route coming from

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Kensington Palace. The whole of the world was going to see this. I never

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stopped. On the Saturday morning, I thought, well, before the funeral

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starts, if there are any issues, I'll sit-in my car and I'll be able

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to go to any point as quickly as possible. I listened to the funeral

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on the radio. And the gun carrage with the coffin. As I did that, I

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nodded off, I was exhausted. -- carriage. We rehearsed, we

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practiced. We were feeling very nervous, anticipating what was to

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come. We went down to Kensington Palace on the morning of the

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funeral. We probably had that point three or four hours to prepare. It

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was my responsibility to clamp the coffin on to the funeral board. It

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was the one that had played on my mind throughout the week and the

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rehearsals. As we exited the grounds of Kensington Palace and hit the

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crowd for the first time, the wailing and the screaming started.

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Physically I felt myself take a sharp intake of breath. Mark and I

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marched behind the gun, I on the left hand side and Mark on the right

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hand side of the horses. Personally the emotion, I found it quite

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difficult. I thought a lot about the Princes behind and what they must be

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going through. Once we arrived at the Abb why and the Welsh Guards

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took the coffin off, it was a ept mo of big relief. It was a real feeling

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of emotion, but also of almost satisfaction that we'd carried her

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safely to the Abbey and we were proud of what we did.

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A week after the funeral came the time for removing all the tributes

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that had been laid. The soft toys were distributed amongst children's

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hospitals and all the cards were taken up to Althorp. The flowers

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were kept here in Kensington Gardens. We had them composted. We

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ended up putting that back on to our flowerbeds. I think she would have

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loved that because she did like the gardens and that would have been a

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fitting tribute. It's hard to believe that it was 20

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years ago. O Isn't it. Can you remember watching the funeral, Judi?

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Yes. I remember most of all the day she died and thinking my daughter,

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coming out into the garden where I was hanging out some clothes and

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telling me the news. I'm sure for everybody it was so shocking. It is

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that moment that everybody remembers where they were, don't they? Yes.

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You said you were only ten? I remember my mum and my grandmother,

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there was lots of noise in the house. The TV was on. We were back

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in India. I was woken up. It was the middle of the night. I don't

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remember the time. I remember being woken up. It was just tears in my

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mother's eyes. I knew something was awfully wrong. Then of course I saw

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the TV. We all knew who she was. We will move on to brighter things and

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talk about the new film. In 1997 you were playing Victoria back then.

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Here we are now, 20 years on, you are playing her again. The film

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takes place in her Golden Jubilee year, with this very unexpected

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meeting. Really when the film starts she's in a very dark place, it

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seems? Yes. She's in a sad, dark place. She's, you know, in her 80s

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and, she says in it, all her friends are dropping off all around her. She

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has nobody, I think, to be a confidante and to talk to and to

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laugh with and share things. Excuse me. It's four years after John Brown

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has died. So she's kind of giving up a bit. When you hear all that she

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has every day, it's like she has at the moment, so many things to do

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every day. She doesn't have the luxury to think, I have two-days up,

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put my feet up the chimney, you know! Her luck changes, in a sense?

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It certainly does. By the arrival... By the arrival of the very handsome

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Abdul. Ali, you play Abdul... Just tell us a bit about him. It's a

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story not many people will know before they see the film? Yes, it's

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shocking. History conveniently decided to sort of shove it aside.

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On both sides. In India nobody seems to know about this. I knew very

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little. This is 15 years the last phase of Queen Vic tore ya's life.

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This man walked in, this wonderful friendship starting brewing. It

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wasn't just friendship, it is was a weird one. There was something,

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wasn't there, more than - Intimate, respect. It was a tender and

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beautiful relationship that they had. Judi, did you know anything

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about this. These diaries, Abdul's diaries were only discovered - They

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were destroyed after he was uncertificate moaniously sent

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packing after she died. So we know nothing - we knew nothing about it,

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you know. They were found, a trunk was found with some letters in it.

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So that's how we know that this existeded in anyway. Let us have a

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look then at the film. Here is one of the moments that Victoria and

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Abdul shared behind closed doors with the household in panic

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wandering what was going on. Meh. Meh. Rani. Rani. Rani. Um. Oh. Um.

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Um, um, um. He's teaching her Hindu. Is that allowed? Oh, my goodness me!

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APPLAUSE You play a great character, Ali, you

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really do. Isn't she so good. You picked it up so well. The way you

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cut through all that somehow your character and everything that is

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going around the pomp and ceremony and everything, somehow you come in

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and cut through it all. Which is what Victoria seems to love so much.

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How did you get this part, how did it all happen? Oh, God with, it was

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like a video game. Lots of levels I had to cross. Right. Stephen Frears

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is at the end of it somewhere, he's this haze. I was sitting with a

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friend of mine, in India, she said the auditions were happening last

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week, you're late are. Why don't you try it out. I remember we recorded

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the scene, two scenes, on my phone. Right. I got a caught 30 days later

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that Stephen Frears was am coulding to India to go through different

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actors, Bollywood actors and everything. There was a series of

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things that happened. I came to London, my, God, it was to the point

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of becoming delusional about it. I don't know how I would react if I

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didn't get the part. Really, really? It all worked out. How much did you

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know about David -- Dame Judi before you got to London? Nothing. I would

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stand in the mirror like that. There is great chemistry between you off

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and on screen that works so well. It's lucky that happens. We met, I

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think was it the day before. A couple of days before we had lunch.

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Yes, we were quite nervous. There was no need to be nervous or anxious

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or anything. You were nervous! I was. My God. Is that nervous! You

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were pretty cool about it, I thought. That really comes across in

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in the film. A lovely relationship between you. Was there apprehension

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in playing her again, Judi, Victoria, obviously we had Mrs Brown

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and here you are again We had a lovely time doing that with John

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Madden. I think if we hadn't - if this was an episode that I had known

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about, it would have been given. Not knowing about it and not many people

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knowing about it, it seemed a wonderful chance. I thought Lee's

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script was wonderful. I have worked with Stephen five times. It seemed

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to take her life on a bichlt I think, I've done the homework about

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this person already, so it's just a question of telling this bit of

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story. I was very pleased to be asked to do it. You must be pleased

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with the outcome? Well... Now I can't do anything about it. There's

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no need to worry. It's brilliant. It's fantastic. We will chat more.

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Time for a wildlife film now and everything's

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connected on this show, because here's a film that wouldn't

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be possible without the Victorians love for a small bird

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that was originally brought to the UK from Ali's homeland.

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Originally from the tropics, these parakeets were first brought over as

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pets in the Victorian era. Over time many have escaped and have bred

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successfully and now they are a common sight in the south-east of

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England. During early spring they are in the mood for love and start

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their courtship displays. Fascinating behaviour to watch, but

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what really interests me is where these birds will choose to nest.

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Normally the use holes entries but recently they have been using them

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closer to home. I have seen them coming out of roof spaces so in a

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wildlife first I have decided to try to film some parakeet checks in

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someone's attic. Finding a wrist space I can get into with my

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cameras, a whole other matter. I have teamed up with local bird

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enthusiast Nick Mitchell, who has devised a custom-made camera that

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should do the job. I like the reinforcement you have read the

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cables. That will be important? Yes, to prove the Lee Mack protect

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against the big sharp beak of the parakeet. And in the roof of a

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pub... He has a quick look and, sure enough, a parakeet is nesting.

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Landlady Dora is quite excited about her feathery tenants who have been

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squatting here for the last couple of years. Any idea you had parakeets

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nesting in Europe? When I came into work there was a load of wood on the

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floor checked and I thought someone was hacking at the door to try to

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get in -- did you have any idea you had parakeets nesting in your roof?

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For the next few hours, they put cables around the pub and then try

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to install the camera, but getting the correct angle proves difficult

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as the nest is tucked behind one of the beams. He can't get the camera

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in close enough. Guys, what does it look like? We do need to be quite a

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bit closer. But the adult parakeet is getting agitated. Nick works

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quickly to make a couple more adjustments. You can just see a

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slight brownish white shape on the edge of the screen there, and that

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is an egg, so we are on track for filming baby parakeets. Sadly a

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couple of weeks later the nest feels and the chicks hatched don't

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survive, but as parakeets can have another batch in the same season,

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just over a month later it is second time lucky. A little baby! Dora, who

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has been monitoring their activity for us, thinks she notices something

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different in the parents' behaviour. Dad has not been coming in so much

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and she has been left alone to do it all by yourself. The first time the

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mail kept coming in and trying to get involved, and it didn't work.

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The baby must have got smothered and died, quite sad. But this time he

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stayed away and she has done a good job. The insight into that

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relationship between the male and female is fascinating. We wouldn't

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know it without the cameras. Yes, nice to see it. Dora wants to share

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her excitement with the locals in the pub so everyone can see her new

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regulars. Are you ready, Nick? Here we go! The parakeet certainly spark

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interest with her punters. Will they be back next year? Dora say they

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have been here three years in a row, so, yes, maybe longer. I reckon

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these ones will be permanent residents. I think so. Are you

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charging them rent? No! LAUGHTER

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As the chicks become more settled and bigger, we move the camera and

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slowly introduce a light, so we can see them in their full glory. The

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light is pretty much bang on the nest and the great thing is you can

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see the parakeet checks turning green, so it is the perfect time to

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get that light on them. So we have success, I wildlife first, and in

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colour! Wild parakeet checks in a nest. These four will stay here for

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around a month and a half before they fledge, so for while you can

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come down to the pub, have a paint and a parakeet.

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STUDIO: What about that! They are cute. And there is an update,

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because the littlest one actually fell out of the nest, but everything

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is fine- don't worry! It is actually being looked after by Dora in the

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pub, and there is the proof, nesting on her head! Quite a typical site,

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though, when you were at school, Ali? Yes, and they would lock their

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beaks together, like this. I was at a boarding school at the foothills

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of the Himalayas, and we would see them around. Of course they would

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destroy our fruit! LAUGHTER

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And these noisy things. God forbid, humans start training them, and they

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are the ones who also make a noise, aren't you?

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are the ones who also make a noise, aren't they?

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That is another business. We will get Richard on that, don't worry!

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And earlier on we saw a very good clip, from Murder on the Orient

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Express. We just have the picture here, not the clip. We saw a clip

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earlier which we obviously can't play!

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LAUGHTER I was just completely still.

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LAUGHTER It was a 15 second clip, wasn't it?

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But in that 15 seconds was yourself, Johnny Depp, Michelle Pfeiffer...

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Ali, you need to get on board. Orient Express 2, you need to be in

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it! A fantastic cast. Yes, it was. And it was nice to play someone

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fictional? Yes, two dogs and Olivia Goldman.

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LAUGHTER Did you embroider any interesting

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phrases on any cushions for any of the cast members? I can't do that

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any more, can't see to do it! Well, we didn't know that it was a thing,

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but you used to make cushions with quite rude phrases on them. I did

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make some quite polite ones as well! Did you? We were surprised at some

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of the phrases. Quite. I'm not allowed to see them here... You

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can't even... Ali, what will you be going back onto after this? We

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understand there is a comedy series you work on? I am doing something

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with Amazon in India which is very exciting. I have a film coming out

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cold Fukrey, part two. The first one was a big hit back in India, so we

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just finished filming it, so that is the comedy -- it

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is called 's Fukrey and it comes out at the end of the year. And we have

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heard that Daniel Craig is reprising his role as Bond. What would you

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like to see, Dame Judi, happening to Bond in this one? The ghost of M to

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walk in. LAUGHTER

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Here is hoping! We would all like to see that. I just look forward to

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seeing another Bond film. Well, we spoke about the orient Express. This

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isn't that one, but the Midland Line from Redditch to Birmingham.

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Dom's been riding it and he might not witness a murder,

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but he does find some bad behaviour that's landing some

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I am working with officers tasked with stamping out anti-social

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behaviour. They will be enforcing little-known bylaws are some of

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which date back to Victorian times. I am keen to see the reaction...

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These have been around for years but are not enforced by many train

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companies, suffer the past three months London Midland has been

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running a scheme, issuing warnings to passengers displaying a range of

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bad behaviours, and after today they can result in a fine or even

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prosecution. Right, what sort of things are you looking for? People

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with feet on the seats, smoking, loud music, swearing, being abusive

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to anyone else. The 22 bylaws range from going up escalators the wrong

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way, not allowing passengers to get off the train before you get on, and

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even not having a valid ticket for your pet. In fact anything

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considered anti-social. There is one very annoying by law being broken

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more than any other. Kenny Britt your feet down, please? Almost half

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of all the warnings given it so far have been to people with their feet

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up -- can you put your feet down, please. That is actually classed as

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anti-social behaviour. If you think someone has their feet on the sick,

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do you think finding them is a bit over the top? No, because it causes

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discomfort to other passengers because they may have to stand up

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for their journey because they feel uncomfortable asking someone to take

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it down. Secondly, you don't know what you're putting on the seat. As

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for the next guy we come across, his feet on the seats are about to get

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him into even more trouble. Brian takes off the train for failing to

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purchase a ticket for his journey. Step over here, a second. I just

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received a ticket from the officer. Jumping on the train without a

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ticket. Do you know why he came during the first place? He spotted

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you had your feet on the seats. A lot of people commit anti-social

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behaviour do it willingly and a lot of the time they will not have

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purchased tickets. But some people become across, they have tickets,

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but they just fall into the bracket of doing something silly. Before

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getting back on the train Brian spot somebody smoking on the platform.

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Just about right in front of the card. -- he did that right in front

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of the guard! Can you put that out for me, please? I am seeing how

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little people adhere to these bylaws. It is the smoker from the

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platform again. Get your feet down off the seats. He has only gone and

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caught him with his feet on the seats. I tell you what, you'll be

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out of pocket soon. Go on, tell him off. At the moment the scheme is

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just on the Cross city south line which runs from Redditch to

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Birmingham, but they say it will be expanded across all London Midland

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lines by the end of the year, so do the passengers approve? Do you think

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it is wrong to put your feet on the seats? Yes. Why did you do it? I

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don't see the massive issue. It is not nice for other train passengers,

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I suppose, so, yes, all for it. It is just human nature. People like to

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be comparable. I feel a bit like a child getting told off, basically.

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That is how I felt. Little misdemeanours, compared to other

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things on the train, it is a bit daft. It has been a busy few months

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for Brian and the team with more than 500 warnings handed out, but

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they say they can already see a different customer satisfaction. One

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bit of advice to passengers right now about what is happening, in one

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sentence. Take you are travelling. It all seems pretty clear to me, if

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you don't want a fine, don't do the crime. Is that right, Brian? Yes!

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Midland Line they have a series there. -- yes, they have a series

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there. Would you... No, you wouldn't, would you, Judi? Certainly

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not, dear. You can bet your feet up and Yes because we are finished, out

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of time. That's all we have time for -

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thank you so much to Victoria Abdul is out

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next Friday the 15th. Thanks for your company tonight.

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Wonderful stuff. Tomorrow we're joined

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by the new Strictly judge Shirley Ballas in her first TV

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interview, and Neil Sedaka will be perfoming live -

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see you at 7!

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Matt Baker and Alex Jones are joined by Dame Judi Dench and her Victoria and Abdul co-star Ali Fazal.

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