Matt Baker and Alex Jones are joined in the studio by Dame Judi Dench and her Victoria and Abdul co-star Ali Fazal.
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Welcome to the One Show with Matt Baker
Tonight we are joined by Indian movie star Ali Fazal and -
in her own words - "jobbing actor" Dame Judi Dench!
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE We are delighted to have you with us
this evening. Dame Judi, can you confirm
it is in fact you sat on the sofa? The reason I ask is
because of this headline It'sTracy Ullman doing
an impression of you! You are a fan of her impression? I'm
a huge fan. It gets me in trouble. As I was looking at vegetables a guy
said "watch it." Maybe you haven't seen this. Let us enjoy it together.
Here we go. Oi, I saw that. Do you want me to call the police? I don't
know what you mean. Oh, it's you, isn't it? If you mean, is it Dame
Judi Dench then, yes, it is. How nice to meet There must be you.
Something wrong with the security camera. They can be tempermental. I
loved you in James Bond. Oh, we tried to tell a good story and thank
you. What was I thinking. Dame Judi Dench wouldn't shoplift you're a
national treasure. Exactly! Oh, my word. That's so good. It's so good.
We will talk about your new film, Victoria and Abdul. We saw it this
morning and we loved it. We did. But first we turn to another member
of the Royal Family, Princess Diana. Her funeral, 20 years ago today,
was watched by 31 million people in the UK and an estimated
2 billion people worldwide. But the four people we're
about to meet all have a very special reason to remember
where they were on that day. You'd wave and you'd say good
morning and she would reply with a wave and a smile. The Royal funerals
are written and to a degree we can prepare, but obviously this was
totally unexpected. There was no second text, it was Sir Elton John
and the piano. The mobile went I said, "yes" the voice said "would
you tune the piano for Elton John." It was like any other job, "that's
fine, great." Then I sat down... It hit me like a thunder bolt - I was
worried actually at first because Sir Elton wanted the piano done on
the Saturday morning. Oh, that was the day of the funeral. If anything
unexpected had gone, there was no error of margin. Fortunately he had
a change of mind. I went there on the Friday, I wanted to look good
for Diana. I was walking up that long aisle and I seen the piano in
the distance, sitting there. I was really nervous. I kept going over it
and checking everything. I had to keep my emotions on hold until the
next day, when Elton had played. # Goodbye England's rose, may you
ever grow in our hearts... # Once everything was fine, no
comeback, no phone calls, nothing, then I could relax and grieve like
everybody else. Which I did. That was my day.
Diana used to use Kensington Gardens a lot. She would take the boys
around the park, we saw her push them in the pushchair and take them
up to the playground. She was part of the park community. People were
turning up in their thousands. There were more and more flowers, candles
appearing. We had to make plans for the funeral route coming from
Kensington Palace. The whole of the world was going to see this. I never
stopped. On the Saturday morning, I thought, well, before the funeral
starts, if there are any issues, I'll sit-in my car and I'll be able
to go to any point as quickly as possible. I listened to the funeral
on the radio. And the gun carrage with the coffin. As I did that, I
nodded off, I was exhausted. -- carriage. We rehearsed, we
practiced. We were feeling very nervous, anticipating what was to
come. We went down to Kensington Palace on the morning of the
funeral. We probably had that point three or four hours to prepare. It
was my responsibility to clamp the coffin on to the funeral board. It
was the one that had played on my mind throughout the week and the
rehearsals. As we exited the grounds of Kensington Palace and hit the
crowd for the first time, the wailing and the screaming started.
Physically I felt myself take a sharp intake of breath. Mark and I
marched behind the gun, I on the left hand side and Mark on the right
hand side of the horses. Personally the emotion, I found it quite
difficult. I thought a lot about the Princes behind and what they must be
going through. Once we arrived at the Abb why and the Welsh Guards
took the coffin off, it was a ept mo of big relief. It was a real feeling
of emotion, but also of almost satisfaction that we'd carried her
safely to the Abbey and we were proud of what we did.
A week after the funeral came the time for removing all the tributes
that had been laid. The soft toys were distributed amongst children's
hospitals and all the cards were taken up to Althorp. The flowers
were kept here in Kensington Gardens. We had them composted. We
ended up putting that back on to our flowerbeds. I think she would have
loved that because she did like the gardens and that would have been a
fitting tribute. It's hard to believe that it was 20
years ago. O Isn't it. Can you remember watching the funeral, Judi?
Yes. I remember most of all the day she died and thinking my daughter,
coming out into the garden where I was hanging out some clothes and
telling me the news. I'm sure for everybody it was so shocking. It is
that moment that everybody remembers where they were, don't they? Yes.
You said you were only ten? I remember my mum and my grandmother,
there was lots of noise in the house. The TV was on. We were back
in India. I was woken up. It was the middle of the night. I don't
remember the time. I remember being woken up. It was just tears in my
mother's eyes. I knew something was awfully wrong. Then of course I saw
the TV. We all knew who she was. We will move on to brighter things and
talk about the new film. In 1997 you were playing Victoria back then.
Here we are now, 20 years on, you are playing her again. The film
takes place in her Golden Jubilee year, with this very unexpected
meeting. Really when the film starts she's in a very dark place, it
seems? Yes. She's in a sad, dark place. She's, you know, in her 80s
and, she says in it, all her friends are dropping off all around her. She
has nobody, I think, to be a confidante and to talk to and to
laugh with and share things. Excuse me. It's four years after John Brown
has died. So she's kind of giving up a bit. When you hear all that she
has every day, it's like she has at the moment, so many things to do
every day. She doesn't have the luxury to think, I have two-days up,
put my feet up the chimney, you know! Her luck changes, in a sense?
It certainly does. By the arrival... By the arrival of the very handsome
Abdul. Ali, you play Abdul... Just tell us a bit about him. It's a
story not many people will know before they see the film? Yes, it's
shocking. History conveniently decided to sort of shove it aside.
On both sides. In India nobody seems to know about this. I knew very
little. This is 15 years the last phase of Queen Vic tore ya's life.
This man walked in, this wonderful friendship starting brewing. It
wasn't just friendship, it is was a weird one. There was something,
wasn't there, more than - Intimate, respect. It was a tender and
beautiful relationship that they had. Judi, did you know anything
about this. These diaries, Abdul's diaries were only discovered - They
were destroyed after he was uncertificate moaniously sent
packing after she died. So we know nothing - we knew nothing about it,
you know. They were found, a trunk was found with some letters in it.
So that's how we know that this existeded in anyway. Let us have a
look then at the film. Here is one of the moments that Victoria and
Abdul shared behind closed doors with the household in panic
wandering what was going on. Meh. Meh. Rani. Rani. Rani. Um. Oh. Um.
Um, um, um. He's teaching her Hindu. Is that allowed? Oh, my goodness me!
APPLAUSE You play a great character, Ali, you
really do. Isn't she so good. You picked it up so well. The way you
cut through all that somehow your character and everything that is
going around the pomp and ceremony and everything, somehow you come in
and cut through it all. Which is what Victoria seems to love so much.
How did you get this part, how did it all happen? Oh, God with, it was
like a video game. Lots of levels I had to cross. Right. Stephen Frears
is at the end of it somewhere, he's this haze. I was sitting with a
friend of mine, in India, she said the auditions were happening last
week, you're late are. Why don't you try it out. I remember we recorded
the scene, two scenes, on my phone. Right. I got a caught 30 days later
that Stephen Frears was am coulding to India to go through different
actors, Bollywood actors and everything. There was a series of
things that happened. I came to London, my, God, it was to the point
of becoming delusional about it. I don't know how I would react if I
didn't get the part. Really, really? It all worked out. How much did you
know about David -- Dame Judi before you got to London? Nothing. I would
stand in the mirror like that. There is great chemistry between you off
and on screen that works so well. It's lucky that happens. We met, I
think was it the day before. A couple of days before we had lunch.
Yes, we were quite nervous. There was no need to be nervous or anxious
or anything. You were nervous! I was. My God. Is that nervous! You
were pretty cool about it, I thought. That really comes across in
in the film. A lovely relationship between you. Was there apprehension
in playing her again, Judi, Victoria, obviously we had Mrs Brown
and here you are again We had a lovely time doing that with John
Madden. I think if we hadn't - if this was an episode that I had known
about, it would have been given. Not knowing about it and not many people
knowing about it, it seemed a wonderful chance. I thought Lee's
script was wonderful. I have worked with Stephen five times. It seemed
to take her life on a bichlt I think, I've done the homework about
this person already, so it's just a question of telling this bit of
story. I was very pleased to be asked to do it. You must be pleased
with the outcome? Well... Now I can't do anything about it. There's
no need to worry. It's brilliant. It's fantastic. We will chat more.
Time for a wildlife film now and everything's
connected on this show, because here's a film that wouldn't
be possible without the Victorians love for a small bird
that was originally brought to the UK from Ali's homeland.
Originally from the tropics, these parakeets were first brought over as
pets in the Victorian era. Over time many have escaped and have bred
successfully and now they are a common sight in the south-east of
England. During early spring they are in the mood for love and start
their courtship displays. Fascinating behaviour to watch, but
what really interests me is where these birds will choose to nest.
Normally the use holes entries but recently they have been using them
closer to home. I have seen them coming out of roof spaces so in a
wildlife first I have decided to try to film some parakeet checks in
someone's attic. Finding a wrist space I can get into with my
cameras, a whole other matter. I have teamed up with local bird
enthusiast Nick Mitchell, who has devised a custom-made camera that
should do the job. I like the reinforcement you have read the
cables. That will be important? Yes, to prove the Lee Mack protect
against the big sharp beak of the parakeet. And in the roof of a
pub... He has a quick look and, sure enough, a parakeet is nesting.
Landlady Dora is quite excited about her feathery tenants who have been
squatting here for the last couple of years. Any idea you had parakeets
nesting in Europe? When I came into work there was a load of wood on the
floor checked and I thought someone was hacking at the door to try to
get in -- did you have any idea you had parakeets nesting in your roof?
For the next few hours, they put cables around the pub and then try
to install the camera, but getting the correct angle proves difficult
as the nest is tucked behind one of the beams. He can't get the camera
in close enough. Guys, what does it look like? We do need to be quite a
bit closer. But the adult parakeet is getting agitated. Nick works
quickly to make a couple more adjustments. You can just see a
slight brownish white shape on the edge of the screen there, and that
is an egg, so we are on track for filming baby parakeets. Sadly a
couple of weeks later the nest feels and the chicks hatched don't
survive, but as parakeets can have another batch in the same season,
just over a month later it is second time lucky. A little baby! Dora, who
has been monitoring their activity for us, thinks she notices something
different in the parents' behaviour. Dad has not been coming in so much
and she has been left alone to do it all by yourself. The first time the
mail kept coming in and trying to get involved, and it didn't work.
The baby must have got smothered and died, quite sad. But this time he
stayed away and she has done a good job. The insight into that
relationship between the male and female is fascinating. We wouldn't
know it without the cameras. Yes, nice to see it. Dora wants to share
her excitement with the locals in the pub so everyone can see her new
regulars. Are you ready, Nick? Here we go! The parakeet certainly spark
interest with her punters. Will they be back next year? Dora say they
have been here three years in a row, so, yes, maybe longer. I reckon
these ones will be permanent residents. I think so. Are you
charging them rent? No! LAUGHTER
As the chicks become more settled and bigger, we move the camera and
slowly introduce a light, so we can see them in their full glory. The
light is pretty much bang on the nest and the great thing is you can
see the parakeet checks turning green, so it is the perfect time to
get that light on them. So we have success, I wildlife first, and in
colour! Wild parakeet checks in a nest. These four will stay here for
around a month and a half before they fledge, so for while you can
come down to the pub, have a paint and a parakeet.
STUDIO: What about that! They are cute. And there is an update,
because the littlest one actually fell out of the nest, but everything
is fine- don't worry! It is actually being looked after by Dora in the
pub, and there is the proof, nesting on her head! Quite a typical site,
though, when you were at school, Ali? Yes, and they would lock their
beaks together, like this. I was at a boarding school at the foothills
of the Himalayas, and we would see them around. Of course they would
destroy our fruit! LAUGHTER
And these noisy things. God forbid, humans start training them, and they
are the ones who also make a noise, aren't you?
are the ones who also make a noise, aren't they?
That is another business. We will get Richard on that, don't worry!
And earlier on we saw a very good clip, from Murder on the Orient
Express. We just have the picture here, not the clip. We saw a clip
earlier which we obviously can't play!
LAUGHTER I was just completely still.
LAUGHTER It was a 15 second clip, wasn't it?
But in that 15 seconds was yourself, Johnny Depp, Michelle Pfeiffer...
Ali, you need to get on board. Orient Express 2, you need to be in
it! A fantastic cast. Yes, it was. And it was nice to play someone
fictional? Yes, two dogs and Olivia Goldman.
LAUGHTER Did you embroider any interesting
phrases on any cushions for any of the cast members? I can't do that
any more, can't see to do it! Well, we didn't know that it was a thing,
but you used to make cushions with quite rude phrases on them. I did
make some quite polite ones as well! Did you? We were surprised at some
of the phrases. Quite. I'm not allowed to see them here... You
can't even... Ali, what will you be going back onto after this? We
understand there is a comedy series you work on? I am doing something
with Amazon in India which is very exciting. I have a film coming out
cold Fukrey, part two. The first one was a big hit back in India, so we
just finished filming it, so that is the comedy -- it
is called 's Fukrey and it comes out at the end of the year. And we have
heard that Daniel Craig is reprising his role as Bond. What would you
like to see, Dame Judi, happening to Bond in this one? The ghost of M to
walk in. LAUGHTER
Here is hoping! We would all like to see that. I just look forward to
seeing another Bond film. Well, we spoke about the orient Express. This
isn't that one, but the Midland Line from Redditch to Birmingham.
Dom's been riding it and he might not witness a murder,
but he does find some bad behaviour that's landing some
I am working with officers tasked with stamping out anti-social
behaviour. They will be enforcing little-known bylaws are some of
which date back to Victorian times. I am keen to see the reaction...
These have been around for years but are not enforced by many train
companies, suffer the past three months London Midland has been
running a scheme, issuing warnings to passengers displaying a range of
bad behaviours, and after today they can result in a fine or even
prosecution. Right, what sort of things are you looking for? People
with feet on the seats, smoking, loud music, swearing, being abusive
to anyone else. The 22 bylaws range from going up escalators the wrong
way, not allowing passengers to get off the train before you get on, and
even not having a valid ticket for your pet. In fact anything
considered anti-social. There is one very annoying by law being broken
more than any other. Kenny Britt your feet down, please? Almost half
of all the warnings given it so far have been to people with their feet
up -- can you put your feet down, please. That is actually classed as
anti-social behaviour. If you think someone has their feet on the sick,
do you think finding them is a bit over the top? No, because it causes
discomfort to other passengers because they may have to stand up
for their journey because they feel uncomfortable asking someone to take
it down. Secondly, you don't know what you're putting on the seat. As
for the next guy we come across, his feet on the seats are about to get
him into even more trouble. Brian takes off the train for failing to
purchase a ticket for his journey. Step over here, a second. I just
received a ticket from the officer. Jumping on the train without a
ticket. Do you know why he came during the first place? He spotted
you had your feet on the seats. A lot of people commit anti-social
behaviour do it willingly and a lot of the time they will not have
purchased tickets. But some people become across, they have tickets,
but they just fall into the bracket of doing something silly. Before
getting back on the train Brian spot somebody smoking on the platform.
Just about right in front of the card. -- he did that right in front
of the guard! Can you put that out for me, please? I am seeing how
little people adhere to these bylaws. It is the smoker from the
platform again. Get your feet down off the seats. He has only gone and
caught him with his feet on the seats. I tell you what, you'll be
out of pocket soon. Go on, tell him off. At the moment the scheme is
just on the Cross city south line which runs from Redditch to
Birmingham, but they say it will be expanded across all London Midland
lines by the end of the year, so do the passengers approve? Do you think
it is wrong to put your feet on the seats? Yes. Why did you do it? I
don't see the massive issue. It is not nice for other train passengers,
I suppose, so, yes, all for it. It is just human nature. People like to
be comparable. I feel a bit like a child getting told off, basically.
That is how I felt. Little misdemeanours, compared to other
things on the train, it is a bit daft. It has been a busy few months
for Brian and the team with more than 500 warnings handed out, but
they say they can already see a different customer satisfaction. One
bit of advice to passengers right now about what is happening, in one
sentence. Take you are travelling. It all seems pretty clear to me, if
you don't want a fine, don't do the crime. Is that right, Brian? Yes!
Midland Line they have a series there. -- yes, they have a series
there. Would you... No, you wouldn't, would you, Judi? Certainly
not, dear. You can bet your feet up and Yes because we are finished, out
of time. That's all we have time for -
thank you so much to Victoria Abdul is out
next Friday the 15th. Thanks for your company tonight.
Wonderful stuff. Tomorrow we're joined
by the new Strictly judge Shirley Ballas in her first TV
interview, and Neil Sedaka will be perfoming live -
see you at 7!
Matt Baker and Alex Jones are joined by Dame Judi Dench and her Victoria and Abdul co-star Ali Fazal.
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