07/02/2018 The One Show

Hello and welcome to the One Show

with Alex Jones.

And Matt Baker. In

the week we are celebrating women

getting the vote, we are joined by

somebody we think would have made

the argument wittily and chucked the

odd brick if necessary. Maureen

Lipman!

If she did, she would --

George would have gone gently on

her. The former judge Martin with

us.

Today's trailblazer for women,

who left school at 16 to triumph in

the male dominated world of tech, Dr

Sue Black.

Sue Black. Maureen, you might have

bought back this week to what sort

of campaign you might have been back

in the day. What do you think? Would

you have been strapped down, tied to

it?

it?

#metoo! I think that I would

have been good on the hustings, but

bad in the jail.

Right.

The torture

and for speeding, I would have told

them anything and give a vote to the

men. -- the force feeding. It's so

cruel, when you think about what

happened and what they did in our

name, and its political action.

Yes,

some of the posters we showed last

night, jaw-dropping.

night, jaw-dropping. Sue, how would

you have reacted?

I am active on

social media, and that wasn't here

then, but I would have tried to work

out how to use technology to get the

message across and get everyone

involved.

On the same day in 1918,

Martin, working-class men were given

the vote as well. Are you aware of

the first voters in your family?

I

don't know whether they voted or not

but my grandparents, I think they

were married by then. My grandfather

was a gunsmith, and my grandmother

was a bit of a goodtime girl.

We

like the sound of her!

LAUGHTER

We're going to give you an idea of

what's going to be happening as we

take off for the rest of the show.

Assisting us is Lucy, who will be

gathering little plastic knives and

forks for us.

There will be an

entertaining cabin announcement from

Gyles.

And Jess Glynne and

Rudimental, whose new single is

heading for the top. Let's start

with a story from Joe which I knew

nothing about, but which is causing

a lot of anxiety among families and

putting real pressure on one of our

biggest companies to change policy.

That's right. Most of us have

Facebook accounts, 2.1 billion

people on earth have one, but what

happens to it when we die? How much

access and our families get to it?

All of that personal content, those

photos and messages, they can be of

comfort to those left behind.

comfort to those left behind.

Jenny

was beautiful. She was funny, brave,

she was the light of my life.

she was the light of my life.

Toby

was sporty, energetic, but also

very, very kind and generous.

Amanda

lost her 19-year-old daughter Jenny

to cancer last year. Christine's

son, Toby, was 17 when he died

suddenly three years ago. Like most

teenagers, both were very active on

Facebook. Jenny had two pages, a

personal one and a business one

showcasing her talent for hair and

make up.

She didn't want social

media to be closed.

After Toby died,

Christine logged onto his Facebook

to message friends and family and

print old photos.

There were times I

wanted to indulge myself in Toby's

world.

Both families plan to keep

their late children's Facebook

accounts active but, within weeks of

their deaths, both Amanda and

Christine made the same upsetting

discovery.

I logged on and found

this remembering Jenny. Her whole

make up page was raised.

Without the

family's knowledge, Facebook had

memorialised the account and hit the

make up page. Both mothers could

still see posts on their profiles

but they couldn't access messenger

or communicate with their children's

friends.

That's not what she wanted.

Even though she's dead, I need to

look after her and try and make

things how she wanted.

I found it so

comforting and important to remember

him that the thought of having lost

it for ever was really quite scary.

Neither Amanda nor Christine have

any idea who informed Facebook, so

how easy is it for anyone to

memorialised in account without the

family's permission? We've set up a

dummy account and I'm going to try

and memorialised it and, when I

request that, I get three boxes,

one, who passed away, two, when they

passed away, and the third box is

optional, and it's proof of death.

But there isn't a box to say who I

am or what my relationship is with

the deceased. Within hours, I get an

e-mail from Facebook asking for a

scan or photo from evicting, or

other paperwork confirming the

death. But is this thorough enough?

Solicitor Gary Rycroft specialises

in the digital assets of the

deceased.

Anybody could get hold of

a death certificate. If we are

talking at financial assets like a

bank account, the bank would be very

strict about who they release the

money is too, but Facebook seem to

be being quite lax about who they

allow to make very important

decisions.

If your loved one dies,

if you are the next of kin and you

decide you don't want their Facebook

account to be memorialised, and

Facebook allow somebody else to come

in and override those wishes, can

you imagine how frustrating and

painful that would be? I want to

know why Facebook memorialised

accounts and whether they will

restore Jenny in Toby's. Public

policy manager just even speaks to

meet from California.

meet from California.

We memorialise

accounts to secure the security,

legacy and privacy of the person who

passed.

What if the family don't

want the account memorialised?

Family or friends request

memorialisation put often we can't

reach the next of kin in the

circumstances.

Will you change your

policy to allow the next of kin to

have more say?

We think our policies

are in the right place and people

are aware of how we approach this

very sensitive topic.

But you can't

offer these families any hope

comfort today? You're not going to

change these accounts?

We are not

going to get rid of the

memorialisation of these counts but

we are in touch with the families.

So it's a firm no from Facebook, but

you have some news.

She talked about

possible solutions, which relates to

Amanda, who we saw, her request for

them to restore her daughter,

Jenny's make up page. Her daughter

was a make-up artist and she also

had a business page. That was raised

after her death and she is trying to

get it recovered, all of the posts

and photos. They have said they will

make her an advent of the page,

giving her some control, but blimey,

to do that, they sent quite a

complicated e-mail with jargon and

legal terms she has to get signed

off by Notary Public, she has to

give a declaration under penalty of

perjury that it's all true.

What

does that even...

She looked at that

e-mail, she read it several times

and she was baffled. She sent any

more back saying, please can you

repeat that in plain English. -- she

sent an e-mail back. I think she'd

accuse Facebook a bit insensitive.

It was hard to understand what they

wanted. As yet, the page hasn't been

restored, and I don't think there

was any guarantee that, even if she

becomes an admin on that page, that

all of the material from before

we'll be back there. It's not

particularly satisfying.

But there

is something people can do if they

use Facebook, which I'm sure will be

of interest.

Yes, Facebook are keen

that everybody knows about this,

because it's quite a recent

development, and that is having a

legacy contact, somebody that will

look after your account or your

memorialised page after death. Do

that, we can show you a video. You

go onto the settings, you go to

general, and you can click at the

bottom of those on legacy contact,

and type in the name of somebody on

Facebook you would like to manage

this account, and a message will pop

up. Or you could have a human

conversation saying what you have

done. That's all very well. A legacy

contact can change the photo or

cover photo on a memorialised

account, they can answer some friend

requests, they might be able to pin

a post at the top of the page

depending on the privacy settings,

and they can apply for an account to

be completely removed. That's

something, but it doesn't help what

the mothers in our film were talking

about, which is that, if you don't

want your account memorialised, or

your loved one's account

memorialised, being a legacy

contact, you can't stop that as a

family member, you will have

arranged the funeral and dumpy

personal things, and you might have

wishes for the account, like not

having it memorialised, and yet

somebody who didn't know the person

who died or who sat next of 15 years

ago can get in touch with Facebook

and they are dead, can you

memorialise it and that is why these

months are saying it is a bit

insensitive and there is not a good

solution. -- these mums are saying.

You are a grandmother and you work

in IT first what do you make of

this?

We are in a new situation

because this kind of thing has only

been happening for a few years. When

I was a teenager, we didn't have

Facebook. Technology is bringing up

all of these different situations

that we have got to deal with

on-the-fly. Nobody really knows what

is the best thing to do because we

haven't been there before. Myself,

what I'd like, I've got a massive

presence on social media,

particularly Twitter, which I love,

and the thought that somebody else

would be in control of my account,

even a loved one, how would they

know what they wanted? I think it

would be better if the social media

set up a facility where we can say

what we wanted. I'd happily sit for

half an hour and think about, what I

would happen to Mike Twitter and

Facebook account when I die? Maybe I

would pass it over to somebody else

but maybe something else, but it

would be up to me because it is my

content.

Did you say you can get rid

of it yourself?

The legacy contact

can apply to have it removed, the

whole page, if they want to. But I

think the point you are making is

good. Ultimately, people who want

different things. It's a sensitive

subject and Facebook admit that, the

scale they are at, it's difficult

for them not have a one size fits

all model, and they are grappling

with that. To be fair to them, they

have to try and protect the privacy

of people who have died. They don't

necessarily want everybody going in

and reading their little children's

account's messages.

Thank you.

Maureen and Martin are co-starring

in a play called The Best Man.

Martin, you've been touring around

the country with this. Maureen, it

seems you are stepping in as it

approaches the West End. Are you

taking some of the glory?

I like to

try and do that! No, Gemma Jones

played it on the tour, and Gemma has

got a great television role. Isn't

it Gore Vidal who said it isn't

enough to succeed, others must fail?

Anyway...

LAUGHTER

So I have 12 seconds to refers this

play. What you'll make it work,

Mauren. I just like the play. It is

a small cameo but it's really witty

and slightly deadly. It's sort of

political, but very much to do with

the kind of thing that we now read

about all the time. I imagine, in

1960, they didn't bring it here.

They didn't think audience wizard

like it.

Or so, America back then

was a different planet. -- audiences

would like it. You have Sky or

Netflix. On the subject of it being

a cameo, Angela Lansbury played it

on Broadway, so it's a very

significant part.

For people who

don't know the play, it's called The

Best Man, and there two main

figures, but the pivotal role is to

you, Maureen.

No, it's down to the

ex-president. I'm just one of those

women who hang about politicians.

Her husband has kind of died

somewhere where she is out fiddling.

She walks in and says to the wise,

keep your head grey go blonder, do

this. She just thinks she is

speaking for the women. And that's

why she thinks she is power.

She is

absolutely vital for the candidates

vying for the nomination, because

they might not take her seriously as

a person, but as a political

objective she is vital because,

without her support and, by

extension, the women's support, they

are in trouble.

It's about two

candidates for the Republican

nomination. We think one of them is

dead straight and the other one is

not, but actually it pivots

absolutely on a sixpence, doesn't

it?

It does, it raises what I think

is an important question for

everybody interested in politics and

who watches the news, do you want

somebody who has integrity, who is

very, very clever and witty, a

really good man, or do you want

somebody who is none of those things

and is likely to get the job done

western rock I guess, which two

western politicians did that? It's

very easy to dismiss the mendacious

and go for the attractive and

intellectual, but then you have to

ask this question, the real politic

question. Who is going to protect us

and do the job? I know which way I

would go.

Which one are you?

Take a

wild guess!

I think you trusted one.

Check out the hair!

You said that there is a lot of

political dramas on TV. Are you a

fan of things like House Of Cards?

And all of that stuff.

I am a big

fan of Veep. Anything with a strong

female lead.

We nearly had a strong

female lead in America.

Too strong

for 52% of the population in

America. Half of the American public

don't read newspapers, half of the

American public don't even vote for

the presidency, fortunately it's the

same half, he said.

CHUCKLES

There is a lot of those witty

one-liners in the show.

It's very

funny. It has some relationship

stuff in it, as well. My character

isn't perfect. He is a bit of a

womaniser.

It is a stretch for

Martin.

We did a bit of digging,

talking of relationships, we

realised you two have known each

other for a long time, since 1964.

Then we realised, Maureen, you used

to date Martin's flatmate, didn't

you?

I'm not sure date is the word.

I wouldn't go that far.

CHUCKLES

What's the story?

Martin shared a

flat with Brian Cox, the actor, not

the other one. I went round there

one night for a nice cup of tea.

LAUGHTER

Brian came in. I knew he had a soft

spot for me.

A bit? He was wild!

Anyway, I got under the sofa, once I

was there he started to talk about

me, I couldn't get out, and he

hasn't spoken to me for 35 years. I

only just got him talking to me, but

he won't speak to me again now!

Don't worry, he's in New York at the

moment. You can see Maureen and

Martin in The Best Man at the

Playhouse in London from Saturday

the 24th of February.

Last night we asked women to read

the words of politicians who argued

that giving the vote to women would

be a disaster. I particularly loved

this line... Nigellisima the

interests of women are perfectly

safe in the hands of men.

The interests of women up a fairly

safe in the hands of men.

Tonight we

can hear the words of the argument

that won the day from 100 years ago.

Women, your country needs you. We

are starting a revolution.

We've

waited too long for political

justice. We refuse to wait any

longer.

Those that obey the law...

Should have a voice to make them.

There is not a single question in

this country that touches meant that

doesn't also touch women.

And here

as a person who -- I am here as a

person who is of no value to the

community at all.

Kill me or give me

my freedom, else I'll force you to

make that choice.

We belong to every

class.

From the highest to the

lowest.

Sufferance is the badge of

all of our tribe.

I have come to ask

you all to help win this fight.

If

we win it this hardest of all

fight...

Then in the future it'll

make it easier...

For women all over

the world to win fight when their

time comes.

You've got to make more

noise than anybody else.

We've got

to make ourselves more obtrusive

than anybody else.

Let show

ourselves worthy of citizenship.

We

will be recognised.

Women are human

beings.

We are half the human race.

We want to free the other half.

Trust in God, she will provide.

I

know that women, once convinced they

are doing what's right...

That their

rebellion is just.

We'll go on.

No

matter what the difficulties.

No

matter what the dangers.

So long as

there is a woman alive...

To hold up

the flag of rebellion...

To have

courage everywhere.

It is a voice

that cannot be denied.

APPLAUSE

Gives you goose bumps, doesn't it?

Sue, you had an incredible life, and

an inspirational career which we

will talk about in a few moments.

But when you see that little girl in

the film you think back to what you

were like at that age. What were

your dreams then?

I've always been a

geek.

It has worked well for you, to

be fair.

It has now.

CHUCKLES

Are used to save up my pocket money

to buy maths textbooks because that

was the most exciting thing I could

think about spending my money on.

But when I was six I wanted to be a

big London bus driver. That was my

dream. I was always excited to live

in London. It is great that I do

now. I don't know, was excited about

driving. Driving in London bus seems

like the ideal job.

It's never too

late to do your bus license.

Alex has got hers. Enough about me.

Let's take you back to the

beginning. Your career path has been

unusual, it is fair to say. Right

back at the start, this is you as a

little baby. Even though you were

obsessed with maths you left school

at 16 and you left home. What was

your situation at the time?

Unfortunately my mum died when was

quite young. My dad remarried. I

wasn't happy in the new family. As

soon as I was 16 I left home. I was

travelling 50 miles to school every

day because I went to the grammar

school. After I left home I had to

work in the week and evenings as a

waitress. Trying to go to school,

start my A-levels, all of the

travelling, work, everything, I just

got too tired. I would fall asleep

at school. My dream of going to

university disappeared them. I left

school, started working, I worked

for several years. I moved to

London, didn't drive a bus, but

moved to London, started a life

here. I got married at 20. I had my

first daughter, Emma, 21, and at 23

had twins, so ended up with three

small children at the age of 23. It

was great, but it was obviously hard

work for anyone who has had three

under three will know. My marriage

broke down. I ended up in a refuge

with my children. We were there six

months. Then we got a council flat

in Brixton. Started our lives again

when I was 25. I got the twins into

a playgroup, got my daughter into

reception at the local school and I

was thinking what am I going to do

with the rest of my life? I knew if

I went out to try and get a job, I

didn't have many qualifications, so

I would be on minimum wage, and that

would not be enough to even pay for

childcare. I thought back to the

fact I wanted to go to university,

wanted to get an education. I

thought maybe this offers me the

answer. I went along to the local

college, Southwark College, did a

maths course, night school in the

evenings. That went well. I went on

to university, did computer science,

as a degree. Then went on and did a

Ph.D.. Became a lecturer. I've been

in academia for 20 years.

You have

to be incredibly strong willed to do

that with three children under

three.

You just have to keep going,

really. As I get older...

Will you

teach me how to unlock my computer?

I certainly will.

You cast the net

in 1998 to help other women as far

as IT was concerned. Tech mums.

Everything has developed from there.

When did you recognise the gap

between mums and IT? And that was

really important, especially then,

and now.

I saw that in the media

technology is portrayed as a

negative thing. Lots of negative

stories in the press about bad

things happening to do with

technology. I always loved

technology. I wanted to show the

positive side. Having talked

computing in university for 20

years, wanted everybody to realise

the benefits of technology. Just

from understanding simple things

like basic app design, web design.

Everybody can have a go at it. It

isn't very complicated. But lots of

people think they cannot do it.

Coding is being taught in schools

now. The next generation are sorted.

But you are focusing on that missed

generation.

I think it's really

important to get the parents on

board. Specifically mums. When I

started doing things with kids six

years ago I wanted to get kids into

coding, so that's great that is

happening. We ran workshops with

seven-year-olds at my daughter's

school. When I tried to encourage

the parents in at the end of the

session I just noticed that in

general the dads would step in and

have a go and the mums would be,

like, I'm not sure if that is for

me. That sparked something in my

head. You know? Why don't I do

something for mums. Build their

confidence. Get them on board.

Because it won't just affect them,

it'll affect the kids, the home, and

the mums will go out and tell

everybody, so that will affect the

community. For me it is about

changing it. I don't know if you

know the Little Britain sketch,

computer says no, change that from

no to yes.

What about old people? I

haven't understood a word! When you

have to keep repeating the same

things. Copy and paste.

That is what

we teach. Nobody knows how to do it.

I have a Ph.D. In software

engineering I don't know how to do

everything involved with that.

Nobody does. It is about building

confidence. Doing basic things and

gradually becoming more and more

confident. Realising you can type

things into a search engine now.

Someone else will have tried to

solve the problem you have now.

You

two are ideal together.

We will have

a session afterwards.

That can

continue for the next 45 minutes.

The average household throws £470

worth of food away every year. At

the same time almost one in four

parents skip meals to make ends meet

according to an anti-poverty

charity.

That has led to the spread of

something called the sharing economy

which allows people with extra food

to pass it on to those going short.

And where do they leave it? Well, in

the People's fridge.

This is the People's fridge. But

what is it?

It's a community fridge.

We take surplus food that would

otherwise go to waste and we allow

anyone to come along and take it.

It

was unveiled earlier this year after

a successful crowdfunding campaign

raised over £2000. It's one of about

50 community fridge is in the UK.

This one is at Pop Brixton. It is

run entirely by volunteers, such as

Brixton local Benn, the co-founder

of the fridge.

If you stand by it

for a length of time you see people

come up, look at it, look in, think,

I could eat that, would that really

go in the bin?

Who is using the

fridge?

An awful lot of people using

the fridge are what we call the

working poor. They have jobs, but

they are balancing lots of costs,

rising rents, rising prices come

against wages that have not kept

pace with it. They come down. If you

take a few peppers out of here, and

aubergine, you are saving money.

Food thanks to an amazing job. But

they are not open everyday and they

don't have all types of food. --

banks do an amazing job. This

doesn't solve that problem but it is

part of a group of initiatives that

can help give people food when they

are the mice might be hungry.

One of

those who regularly donate is at

frost. Today he is dropping off some

sweet treats.

I think bringing cakes

and pastries, you know, as much as

you need your daily nutrients,

sometimes you want a smile on your

face and a bit of sweetness can take

it a long way.

The fridge runs on a

judgment free basis. Anyone can

donate, anyone can take, the only

rules are that you cannot donate raw

food, open food, or alcohol. The

fridge is used throughout the day

and people's stories are as varied

as the food they choose.

We run a suit kitchen and we offer

services to less formulas people.

People can come and get a meal, a

hot drink, just be saved for the

day. This food will help people in

need.

Ironic boxing club -- I run a

boxing club. I am running a

programme teaching the kids how to

eat healthy foods and showing them

about nutrition and diet.

I am a

local resident involved in the

community. When I heard about this

idea to make a French happen in

London, in Brixton, I thought it was

a great idea.

This is Bruce. He's

been using the fridge since it

started.

I come to the fridge three

or four times a week. I'm going to

take some little satsumas for

snacking on and I've also seen there

is quite a lot of mushrooms. Sell by

date has gone, and if they are there

for too long, they'll be wasted, but

that'll be nice to fry up for a

snack.

Semi retired Bruce lives in a

nearby housing co-operative. The

fridge helps with his day-to-day

life.

Worked in the NHS for a few

decades. In receipt of a small

pension, about £500 a month. The

fridge is an act of generosity, a

kindness, people giving something

they don't want to go to waste, to

go to landfill, and they give it to

anybody that wants, who is hungry.

Rather than thinking, what shall I

have for lunch, you think, maybe

there will be something in the

fridge? It saves money from it makes

it more sustainable.

It seems it's

all about those little acts of

generosity that can have a huge

effect on the local community.

That's amazing. Brilliant.

And they

are really taking off.

They are,

brilliant idea, and there are 29 now

across the country and a further 18

scheduled for 2018. If you want to

find out where your nearest one is,

we'll have a link on the website to

find that out. Excellent idea. When

you think there is free food and

restaurant industry in the UK throws

away £3 billion of food, so it is

needed.

If you do it, let us know

that you have taken the initiative.

And accessible to homeless people?

Yes, anybody that goes in there.

Not

to sleep in, Martin.

Oh!

You can

help yourself.

Yes.

You are our

plastics queen, and very much in the

news.

Yes, such a big story and it

goes on being a big story. Here is a

picture we saw this week of a diver

surrounded by plastic in the Indian

Ocean. That is horrific, a really

horrible image.

It's just sad.

It

brings it home.

It does. I'm

starting the depressing stuff this

week, so an important study on

microplastics, the tiny bits of

plastic that fragment, this week

concludes they are a major threat to

filter feeding animals like whales

and Holly Hampsheir. These get into

plankton, and now this 171 pieces

per day being ingested by those big

ocean mammals. -- filter feeding

animals like whales and rays. By

2050, unless we went out ways, there

will be more plastic in the ocean

Dan Fish.

More plastic than fish?

Yes, unless we revolutionise how we

operate with plastic. And we have

some good news. I like to bring

some. Asda the retailer announced a

suite of measures, and they will be

cutting down on plastic packaging.

This includes scrapping the 5p bad

altogether by 2018, so that's gone,

and removing 10% of plastic from its

own brand packaging in the next

year.

That's good.

Friends of the

Earth don't think it's good enough.

No, it's not, stop it!

Iceland the

retailer has pledged to stop it in

five years. To get rid of it

altogether. Friends of the Earth say

Asda should raise the bar.

OK.

I've

been in Iceland, the retailer,

finding out whether the claims stand

up, and I hope to show you more on

that next week.

The viewers have

come with suggestions of how we can

reduce the use of plastic.

Every

week, more comes in. Land Rosie make

reusable shopping bags, and this is

Morsbags, created from donated

fabric. -- Claire and Rosie. Even

Prince Charles has donated some used

that and!

They will hefty bags!

Good-quality curtains.

Good-quality curtains.

So excited

about this, please put it in your

diary, it's a big beach clean week

in April, and we need to get as many

people out there as possible. You

can sign up or even offer to be in

charge of one via surfers against

sewage. Last year, they had 25,000

people turning out. Next year, let's

double it. There is over 2500

beaches around the UK and let's get

a team on each one.

Brilliant thing

to do, the camaraderie.

Yes, it's

fun.

Is there a plant in Swindon

where they are going to be cycle all

of it? Isn't that the answer, proper

recycling of everything?

It's hard,

because we are using such volume, so

we need a mixture, some recycling,

but we need to phase it out as much

as possible.

On that note, Maureen,

keep watching the One Show! I'll

drop you a text before the night. If

you need further reason to take

better care of our waterways, I give

you these extremely clever

creatures.

Over the years, the One Show has

seen just how intelligent animals

can be, with a series of challenging

tasks, from weasels tackling an

obstacle course to goldfish playing

football, and even an octopus

unlocking an underwater camera case.

Today, we are hoping to challenge

this family of otters with this vast

array of puzzles. Scientists have

seen otters in the wild using stones

as tools. Here at Newquay zoo in

Cornwall, a group of researchers

from Exeter has been carrying out a

set of challenges to see how capable

otters can be. As otters are

endangered in the wild, this

research could help when releasing

captive bred otters, as they will be

able to know if they can teach

essential survival skills. This

doctor has been leading the study.

Most people think of otters from the

sea, and they use shells to bash

shell fish and get the boot.

This

tool use has been studied in animals

like dolphins and chips and

scientists know the information on

how to use them is passed down to

parents -- offspring.

Do baby otters

learn from their parents?

They have

13 Asian short clawed otters, three

adults, four juveniles arrived a

year old, and six pups aged three

months. To test them, students

designed several different food

challenges with varying difficulty.

For the last few days, they put

different tasks into the enclosure

and observed. Ellie helped to create

some of the puzzles.

This is the

simplest one and you have to pull

out the Hague or put a poor through

it to get a needle inside. This one

is harder, there is a flap on the

front. It opens and closes.

This is

cool. We put a meatball in one side

and they have to work out that they

need to twist the dome to access the

meatball. When they realise they can

get their hand in the swipe it, you

get three or more of their hands in

there, all trying to do it at the

same time.

But they saved the toughest

challenge until last.

This is the

trickiest. They can see the meatball

but they have to pull the tab so it

drops down before they can reach it.

Once the team have played a number

of puzzles in the enclosure, it's

time to see how the otters get on.

Foxes to play with! -- boxes. That

looks like the mum. They just

followed her down.

She is on it! It

looks difficult, they've got to get

their arm right in and their claws

white underneath the tab.

It's one

of the most difficult tasks. They

are struggling a bit.

In a minute

and 20 seconds, she solves it,

pretty impressive, and it doesn't

take long for the juveniles to work

it out. For some, it's a bit

confusing. The little one is

rambling around going, what's going

on! Is slightly overwhelmed. They

are so inquisitive. Trying to turn

them over and nudge them. After half

an hour, the majority of puzzles are

solved and the meatballs eaten, but

what are learning about the otters?

We've seen what we expected, the

adults solving the most tasks and

the juveniles was closely connected

to the parents have sold the next

amount of tasks. With the pups,

although they haven't sold anything,

we've got good interaction with

Ruby

's research suggested this species

of that didn't learn from each other

this is the first time that

youngsters have been put to the

test, and this means that they could

join the ranks of species like

dolphins and chimpanzees in learning

from each other how to tackle new

challenges. The doctor is hoping

their work will help in conservation

around the world, is being able to

teach captive bred otters about new

feeding challenges and potential

dangers like predators could help

them survive if they are released.

We need to know how they learn and

perhaps if we can train individuals

to perform these pages, this would

increase their survival chances.

Teaching these skills as

implications for captive bred otters

worldwide, which is a major

breakthrough for these fascinating

creatures.

That took you right back to Monterey

bay, to the little sea otters.

You

were out there as well

yes, an

amazing place.

We have to ask about

George Gently. You were

instrumental, acting all of the

writers having him killed. Are you

missing him?

I will always miss it,

but it was the right decision and we

arrived at it simultaneously. It was

time. It would have been

inappropriate for somebody my age to

be an operational policeman.

Dixon

of the green!

Kind of proves my

point!

And you have gone on to work

with Morris, all turned out well.

It

was a wonderful time. I still keep

in touch with Lee.

Fantastic. We are

looking forward to some music from

Rudimental and Jess Glynne shortly,

they will be closing the show was

keeping warm outside. With you

shortly! These days it isn't

difficult to create a fake photo and

most people are quick to spot

doctored images online, like this

one. Not real!

That is really bad.

I

don't know if you saw the news, Elon

Musk with the photo of the space man

driving a car which been released

into space.

Claim David Bowie.

It is

a mannequin dressed as a spaceman,

but he will be driving around for

goodness knows how long. Remarkable.

In 1964, a Cumbrian firefighter

captured what looked like a spaceman

in his viewfinder, but was it real?

A picture is set to be worth a

thousand words, but what happens

when something in the picture can't

be explained?

be explained? In late May 1964,

amateur photographer Jim Templeton,

his wife and two daughters wore on a

walk across Burgh Marsh overlooking

the Solway Firth in Cumbria. One of

his daughters, Elizabeth, posed for

a picture in her new dress. What

appeared in the background has

remained a mystery for more than 50

years.

We went out on a normal

outing. And we picked our spot, sat

down, and I said, no, I'll take some

photographs of you with the new

dress on. Never expected this to

happen.

When Jim collected his

photographs from the chemist, in one

of them, a mysterious figure had

appeared, looming behind his

daughter. They were wearing what

appeared to be a silver suit and

helmet. Jim took the photograph to

his local newspaper. The One Show

has tracked down the two

photographers from the Cumberland

news at the time.

It was hard to

take it in, because three of us were

looking at it, trying to look at

this print, and we all thought it

looked like a spaceman.

So you went

with the Solway Spaceman is the

front page of your paper on Friday

the 12th of June?

Yes, after the

negative had been examined by Kodak

and they said the negative was

exactly as it had gone through the

camera, and whatever was on the

negative was there.

It wasn't just

the press showing interest. Steve

Matthews was one of Jim Templeton's

friends and he has information that

suggests the government may have

become involved.

Jim always told the

story of the men from the ministry.

One day, two men turned up in a

brand-new blackjack you are, dressed

completely in black, and told him to

come with them. They drove out to a

spot on Burgh Marsh, he looked at

it, they asked a question or two,

always referring to each other as

number nine and number 11, and then

they left and drove away and he had

to walk back. He was convinced that

they were the men from the ministry.

They'd stumbled across something

that was a real secret.

Could there

be another explanation?

That's the

question, who is he, where is he

from? Those are the questions we

want answered.

Could the solution be

hidden in plain sight. Another

picture was found on the same roll

of film. In it, Templeton's wife,

Anne, is wearing a light blue dress.

Could she have accidentally walked

into shot, appearing overexposed in

the background?

I'm heading over to investigate.

I've been joined by a couple of

photographers. They will attempt to

recreate the photograph. But first

we need to find the exact spot at

which it was taken. I am just going

to read out what he wrote in the

local newspaper... He says he looked

straight across to Chapelcross

atomic energy Station, which is

there. If you turn your head and

shoulders to the left you look

straight at the BLS station, that's

it, isn't it? 90 degrees from there.

It looks like the horizon is sloping

but it could just be that bank

getting slightly further away from

us.

Yes. Whoever is standing behind

the goal is probably looking out

across the water.

Spot pinpointed,

we match our camera settings to

Jim's.

He said the lens was down to

F 16.

What does that mean?

It means

there is only a very small hole in

the middle.

So it is a bright day

and he closes it.

Yes, just to let

enough light in. When you look in

the viewfinder now it is very dark.

Wow. He is focused on the girl's

face and he is not seeing what is

going on in the background. We have

a mother and daughter, Wendy and

Louis, standing in. Can we solve a

50-year-old mystery? --

Here is our attempt to recreate.

Proof enough? You decide.

You want to believe all sorts of

crazy stuff, don't you? It's great.

Time to meet our very own

International man of mystery who is

out of focus. As we bring it in, you

can see it is Giles Brandreth.

I've been looking at mysterious

photographs. I came across the first

ghost photographs ever taken. Taken

in the 1860s by a man called William

Mahmudullah. He took this photograph

as a self-portrait. In the

background you might see another

figure. That is his dead cousin.

When the picture appeared he made a

fortune because a lot of people said

can you take pictures of us with

your dead relatives? He said, yes I

can. He took lots. Then a circus

owner said I don't believe this man.

There was a court case. He was found

not guilty of fraud, but people

suspected he had gone to people's

houses and robbed pictures of their

late relatives, and he had done it

because in those days you would take

photographs using different plates.

You put the plate of the dead

relative in first, then a second

plate, so they were interim post --

so they were superimposed. Would you

believe it?

No.

You might believe

this one because it is more recent.

This was taken in 2015 at Hampton

Court Palace, known for its ghost.

The ghost is a 12-year-old -- the

picture was taken by a 12-year-old,

she was trying to take the picture

of her cousin on the left, but this

figure on the right appeared. They

saw nothing. Do you believe this

12-year-old at Hampton Court Palace,

known for its ghost sightings, do

you think that is credible?

I think

so.

I would believe at too. But

technology people say...

No!

If you

take a picture with a smartphone it

takes a longer time to bed with a

normal camera. In that period

somebody could have moved across and

she didn't notice when she was

taking the picture.

Just to be in

her photograph?

Somebody

accidentally walking through.

She

looks like she doesn't have any

hands.

Yes, and dressed as a

mysterious, ghostly figure.

We have

one minute, can you take us to the

Thames?

I can. New Year's Eve, 2014,

a professional for -- professional

photographer took this photograph.

He did not believe there was anybody

there. But as you can see, there are

figures. What were they doing? Do

you believe this photograph? Martin

Shaw, judged that you are, guilty or

not guilty of fraud?

I'm going to

say not proven, which is the

Scottish one.

Oh my goodness! I'm

going to say that the man was

totally innocent. But scientists

have said that what is possible is

that there was a slow exposure and

somebody walked past.

These

scientists take all the fun away.

I know. On that subject of

technology and smartphones, if you

do need to send a message to your

friend instantaneously on the other

side of the world all you need is a

smartphone. Thanks... Oh! He has

gone!

I can still see him!

LAUGHTER

But did you know that 200 years ago

you could also send a message at the

near Internet like speeds? Here is

Dan to show us how.

I haven't set a challenge, can I

send a message over a long distance

near Internet speeds using only

200-year-old technology. I said no

problem.

problem. In 1795 long-distance

messaging was a matter of national

security. Britain was at war with

France. This was running the naval

effort in that war. The most famous

sailor at the time, Nelson, he is

looking South, that is because 60

miles in this direction is

Portsmouth, the main naval base.

It's one thing to look wistfully in

the direction of your ships, it's

another thing to get a message to

Portsmouth, because it was very

slow, it could take a man on a horse

around four hours. A vicar heard

about the problem. He said he had an

invention that could send messages

to Portsmouth in minutes. I have

headed to Portsmouth. I've also

asked for a reproduction of the

amazing wooden signalling machine.

Originally 15 of them formed a chain

from London to the coast. Each

machine was visible from the next

one. Messages could be passed

quickly all the way down to the

fleet in Portsmouth Harbour. One end

of my signalling system is right

here in Portsmouth. I have recruited

some Royal Navy signalling

specialist to help. Here it is, the

original Murray system we created

just metres away from where the

original one was. Dan, how are you?

It is really simple, just a frame

with six wooden boards operated by

ropes. By opening and closing

different boards you can send any

letter of the alphabet. This is a

key here. Can you give me a D?

Left

middle open. All others closed.

A

simple letter a.

Right top, all

others closed.

The N. That is our

name spelt out in a very traditional

form of technology. Happy days.

Sadly, with 200 years of tall

buildings to content with it is now

impossible to get messages to London

using this visual code. I put our

second machine on the Isle of Wight,

operated by a crack team. We will

attempt to send a message over five

miles of open sea. Even on our very

longest camera lens the machine is

only just visible. Missed, rain, and

fog were serious problems. There

were many days when the system

couldn't work. But when it did it

was fast.

was fast.

Stand-by...

At the

Portsmouth team since the first.

Papa. This shows that it has

arrived.

Send Romeo.

They send the

next letter, and they are off. When

the full line was working each

station would repeat the signal.

Until it reached the end of the

line. The signal we are sending is

prawns. Odd, I realise, but we know

it was an actual signal sent in the

1790s. They were probably having a

joke. I'm desperate to know, how

long do you think it would have

taken for a message to get from

London to Portsmouth?

They reckon

the fastest time was 92nds.

Wow. If

you were sending a complex message,

then you are talking 15, 20 minutes.

Still a very quick time. -- at the

fastest time was 90 seconds.

The

main purpose was for invasion,

defence against invasion, getting

the information as quickly as

possible.

Eventually there were

Murray telegraph lines from London

to Portsmouth, Plymouth, Yarmouth,

and Deal, Kent. They survived until

the threat from Napoleon was over. I

just want to pay tribute to our

first rapid long-distance

communication network. Built out of

wood. 200 years ago.

Thank you. We are almost done. What

a show it has been.

Have you enjoyed?

No.

LAUGHTER

Thanks to all of our guests tonight.

You can see Maureen and Martin in

The Best Man at the Playhouse

Theatre in London from the 24th of

February.

Tomorrow we will be chatting to Max

Beesley. But now we will hear some

music.

# Leaving to find my soul

# Told her I had to go

# And I know it ain't pretty

# When our hearts get broke

# Too young to feel this old

# Watching us both turn cold

# Oh, I know it ain't pretty

# When two hearts get broke

# Yeah, I know it ain't pretty

# When two hearts get broke

# I hope someday

# We'll sit down together

# And laugh with each other

# About these days, these days

# All our troubles

# We'll lay to rest

# And we'll wish we could come back

to these days, these days

# These days, these days

# Oh I know, I know

# Oh I know, I know

# Oh I know, I know

# Oh I know, I know

# Oh I know, I know

# These days, these days

# Three years of ups and downs

# Nothing to show for it now

# And I know it ain't pretty

when the fire burns out

# Calling me when I'm drunk,

remind me of what I've done

# And I know it ain't pretty

when you're trying to move on

# Yeah, I hope someday

# We'll sit down together

# And laugh with each other

# About these days, these days

# All our troubles

# We'll lay to rest

# And we'll wish we could come back

to these days, these days

# Oh I know, I know

# Oh I know, I know

# Oh I know, I know

# These days, these days

# Oh I know, I know

# Oh I know, I know

# Oh I know, I know

# These days, these days

# Yeah, I hope someday

# We'll sit down together

# And laugh with each other

# About these days, these days

# All our troubles

# We'll lay to rest

# And we'll wish we could come back

to these days, these days

these days (these days,

these days, these days) #.