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Sir Trevor McDonald talks to Matt Baker and Angela Scanlon about interviewing former mafia members. Plus a report from Spain with the latest on vegetable and lettuce rationing.

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Hello and welcome to The One Show with Matt Baker. And Angela Scanlon.


Tonight and offer you cannot refuse, a guest who has cornered the market


in investigating the Mafia, and boy, is this an encounter he wishes he


had had! My friend, what can I do feel? I wonder if I could begin by


asking you this, which crime family are you associated with? And never


discuss the family business. Do you think you are lucky to still be


alive? What have I ever done to make you take me so disrespectfully? You


don't offer friendship. You don't even think to call me Godfather.


Please welcome Sir Trevor McDonald! APPLAUSE


Good to see you Sir Trevor. Do you like what we did there? Thank you


for the Marlon Brando bit! You are welcome. You have given up reading


the news now but with everything happening at the moment does part of


you wish... I am not always up at that hour any more! I thought I


would miss it much, much, much more but I did it for a very long time


and then something happened, I was asked to come back and do a bit that


I was not sure about but I did and now No. I want my second loss of


wine! What if you got a chance to sit down with the Donald rather than


the Don? I don't have an interest in it now but if I was doing the news


when he was president, every journalist would want to do it. But


it is not an encounter I think much about these days. Stick with what


you know. I've got bad image in my mind now, it is so perfect. I will


stick to Marlon Brando! Trevor will announce some breaking stories at


the end of the show so we need headlines from you. Your personal


breaking news stories. It has to be big and we need to know who you want


to break the news too. Maybe you have finished roof felting the shed


or finished that scarf! Said us a picture and we will put them in


Trevor's bulletin later. The shortage of green stuff in the shops


is good news if you are a salad dodger like me or bad news if you


are a health nut. With warnings that the shortage might last several more


weeks we put Dan on a budget flight to Spain. With lettuce prices


leaping and courgette stocks cut I want to know what's going on. To get


to the root of the problem I'm going directly to the source. And that


means a trip to Spain. As we have seen on the news our produce problem


comes down to Europe's unusually wet, windy wild winter. So this is


not quite what I was expecting. It is warm, dry, so I think I need to


be to some of the locals to find out what's been happening. After


terrible weather kit Italy and Greece in December, this region


became one of the sole remaining sources of Europe's leafy greens.


But fender floods arrived here as well. One month later, this market


does not seem to be too badly. My Spanish force a bit flat with


stallholders but fortunately I found a couple of expats to fill me in on


what's been going on. There's plenty of local produce coming into the


market is now but it is the large operators like Tesco, Sainsbury's,


Morrisons, Waitrose, some of them owned the fields around this area


and we provide from those feels aided percent of the food that is


going to England in the winter, last winter they had three days of


nonstop torrential rain, thunder and lightning, 70 years since they'd had


anything like it. It was striking lightning pretty awful and the water


was up to hear! Helicopters were parked on the beaches. Meijer we


were one foot in the water throughout the house and we got


struck by lightning because they've got underground car parking and two


people lost their lives. The whole of the area was under water. It's


starting to become clear, this is not just about paying a bit more for


your weekly greens in the shop, what's happened here and across a


large part of Europe has been devastating. I have been told this


entire area should be dry but it's covered in thick sticky mud from the


flood. You can see how far we are from the beach. The devastation is


not restricted to the coast. I've heard about a farm in land that


would normally export these lettuces straight to the UK. The weather has


been so bad here that it has torn up the road. There are 1 million pieces


here on the farm, all the crop we can see has been destroyed. The


problem is that the water is still inside the soil. If we have this


situation we can't work the soil because the tractor will stop. By


putting a tractor through treacle, it's not going to work. Because this


takes a lot of work. And it's nothing. How bad is it for business?


50% after production in this area has been destroyed... McCarthy


production. It is impossible to sell and eat these. It's too damp. And


prices have been affected here as well, lettuce is now costing more


than ?1 in supermarkets. In some areas, the land has been dry so


production can now pick up but with crops lost so much through Europe


demand for those vegetables will be very high. The only area in Europe


where we can supply these lettuces. Could it happen again this year? We


don't know. I hope not, but it could happen. We are still in the winter.


How long before it gets back to normal? Normal situation, in March.


It's OK, you know. This is an eye-opener. Whole fields full of


these. Our prices may have gone up in the shops but livelihoods been


devastated here. That's the thing that, wherever you are in the world,


if you are a farmer with produce like that what can you do? You are


at the mercy of the weather. Absolutely. Greengrocer Chris Bavin


has spent the week unpicking the truth behind the headlines on Food:


Truth or Scare. Chris, we are hearing a lot about this crisis, the


lettuce crisis, the courgettes crisis, although you think this


rationing is a good thing. I don't think it is rationing literally, I


don't think supermarkets are trying to reduce the amount of letters that


the public are buying, I think they are trying to filter out the


businesses that are now going in and buying large amounts of iceberg


lettuce in this case. Because when you see incredibly high wholesale


prices, if you are a cafe owner or a restaurant it's cheaper to go to the


retailer and buy it but they not buying two or three, they are buying


in bulk. So they are trying to restrict that. So they don't feel


that we are going to overdose on ice pick lettuce! You don't need to buy


more than three of those, never have. I think we should make the


distinction, it is a big problem for the growers but for the consumer is


not necessarily a huge issue. And certain products make the most of


this situation with the lettuce. Perhaps we have been forced to be


more adventurous, sales of watercress have risen by 50% in some


cases. What this tells us is to lessen our reliance on one single


product and perhaps be more adventurous and try different


things. Mix it up. Tomatoes are in the news, ketchup, are you a fridge


man or a cupboard man? Traditionally I would have had them in the


cupboard! Serious, isn't it! Traditionally I would have had them


in the cupboard and once they were open, put them in the fridge. Sir


Trevor, are you a ketchup man? No. Occasionally in New York if you have


a hot dog on the street then they don't ask many questions and if you


have hot dog they just put it on. Just wanted to confirm that you have


none in the cupboard or in the fridge. I wait until I get to New


York! Very upmarket, the hot dog and a glass of wine. Living the dream.


Thank you, Chris, good luck with Food: Truth or Scare, honoured


tomorrow morning at quarter past nine. Four weeks we have been


hearing about funding for the health service, now that claims that


schools might face a similar problem. Kevin joins headteachers


taking their argument for more money to the very top. It is 530 on a


soaking wet morning in Horsham, West Sussex. And I am first to get on


board this school coach trip with a difference. Right, we are on our


wait to meet headteachers from West Sussex who believe we are in a


national crisis and they think the coach trip to Westminster is going


to be a make or Drake for their schools. -- make or break. Schools


in West Sussex are currently among those receiving the least amount of


funding from the government. Right here we are. The heads are going to


ask Minister for schools standards Nick Gibb for an emergency cash


injection of ?20 million which they say is needed to avoid a drop in


standards. One of the heads is Jules White of Tonbridge house School. He


says that here, as in many schools funding is not keeping pace with


rising pupil numbers. In the last five years we've risen from 150


pupils to 430. The money they want represents an extra ?200 per pupil


and would mean he could avoid further reductions in the number of


teachers. Most of all we would make sure we avoided the nightmare


scenario of a four-day week, the last thing any school would want.


Attention, everyone, and a half of all pupils in the UK it gives me


great pleasure to say, headteachers, sit up straight and keep the noise


down! Michael Ferry runs Saint Wilfrid 's Catholic School in


Crawley. A big day is this? Massive. The ?200 we are asking for would


mean we could fulfil the potential of our students. Last March the


government announced the new funding formula from which West Sussex will


benefit but the headteachers say it won't come close to covering rising


costs like national insurance and pensions, and school governors in


West Sussex like Cliff Purvis are threatening to strike in support of


them. The new funding formula will come into place in 2018. But until


then we have this huge gap. And it is the children who are at the


schools now that deserve the best that we can give them. Look at those


different artists, how would you take those different things and come


up with different ideas? In this school there's only one art teacher


of the entire school so supply teachers have to fill the gaps, it's


a worry for keen artists like Ryanair, 13. Having an art teacher


more experienced than a supply teacher, if they are given the class


to teach they give you something used to help you work with. Don't


worry, I won't start singing. Although I might still! Every


headteacher on the coach has concerns. We have already got down


to a base level of funding. I can only provide at the moment a


skeleton service. If the schools minister goes around individually


and says, in ten seconds, why should I give you the money, what is your


answer? Children, they are our future. We are down to the bare


bones, with ten efficiencies. It isn't just West Sussex, in London,


in Kingston, headteachers say they are struggling to keep staff, as


things stand in Cheshire East they might face a four day week and in


Devon some teachers are looking at bigger classes and fewer subjects.


This West Park primary teacher has already seen on a minister with more


success in touch with no success, this time she is determined. Is an


odd environment, very deferential and feels a bit like the Ministry


for magic way you must say, with respect, Minister, every time you


speak. If you don't do they send you out of the room? I don't know, we


all said it, we will say at this time. They are given hope because


the National Audit Office said the government should intervene quickly,


should problems arise. At first it looked promising, the meeting was


booked to be one hour, they were in for an


hour and a half. Funnily they emerged. Jules, how did it go? We


are not smiling. We asked the Minister six times and his implicit,


the budget has been set, which eventually we have to take as a No.


We asked the Minister, Nick Gibb, if we could talk to him but he did not


want to meet us. In a statement, his department said that school funding


was at a record level of over ?40 billion this year. So those


headteachers have faced the school minister, had their say, obviously


it did not work at the way they wanted at judging by what I've heard


on the coach and what they've said after the meeting


We have heard that the headteachers have been called back to the


Department for Education for a follow-up meeting, so we will keep


you updated. I can't guarantee Kevin will take them on the bus though!


Sir Trevor, we have got Mafia Women, your upcoming series, and you are


back in the States meeting the wives and daughters. Paint a picture of


growing up in a mafia household. Some of the people who grew up, some


of the daughters and sons, were obviously traumatised. The others,


rather strangely, difficult for us to understand or totally comprehend,


regarded it as part of a current of normal life. I think one of the


reasons for this is because, however steeped people were in the mafia as


a kind of criminal organisation, there was always a very strong


family element. One woman, whose father was called the Grim Reaper


because he killed so many people, even the FBI were not sure how may


people he actually killed, and she said to me, he always home at 530 PM


for dinner. So you go out in the day killing people or you might go out


at night, but you are for dinner. How nice! A lot of these women had


never been filmed all told their story before, so how did you get


them to open up? It isn't all my work, but my colleagues took a long


time. I think it took about two years to convince some of them.


There was another interesting aspect to this, which is that we did a


mafia series on the mend, concentrating just on the mend, and


I think some of these women felt that they wanted to be heard. Mafia


people are not by nature very kind of silent or coy about what they've


done. I think the reason for that is, although we see them as


essentially a criminal enterprise, they regard it as something about


which they are very proud. They talk about the fact that it dates back to


Sicilian families over 100 years ago, and they talk about the fact


that they live rather well. They all have big mansions in the boroughs,


Staten Island. One guy said to me, I walk into restaurants and I don't


have to look to see how much the bottle of champagne costs. They like


living well. I think that applies to some of the families. One woman said


to me, I said, when you go shopping, how much money do you get? And she


showed me... That lifestyle comes at a cost. Let's have a look at the


first episode. What was the moment like when you discovered who Anthony


was? I was shocked. When I typed in, once the image pulled up and I said


mafia, I typed in his name and "mafia", and it was just like


article after article, and I was reading through it and I went down


to the house, I knocked on his door and I just said, you know, can I


talk to you? Well, what is extraordinary is they explain to you


that the men take this blood oath which puts the mafia ahead of their


family. The mind boggles as to why you would want to enter into that


situation. I know, but it's what they do. And the mafia takes


precedence over wives and family. So the wise and family follow on. What


I found odd, especially in the first programme when you meet the


daughters, is that the father was saying, I don't want my daughter to


have anything to do with this, so they are pushing part of their


family away but welcoming other women into it. It seems quite


hypocritical. To them, it isn't hypocritical. They think, this is


the way this fraternity works, this is how we operate, and the operation


is key and everything else is subsidiary. Part of interest for in


doing this is that you only people away sort of layer by layer what


these people are really like and what motivates them. -- you peel


away the layers that it isn't easy. If you get them to talk, hopefully


you get them to explain how they feel about things. I can't wait for


the second one. Mafia Women with Trevor McDonald starts next Thursday


at 9pm on ITV. This week we discovered that, if you want to


complain about being overlooked for a knighthood, it's probably best not


to write an e-mail to your publicist. But could there be a way


to avoid disappointment? His Iwan Thomas OBE. Spot the odd one out,


Dame Judi Dench, Sir Trevor McDonald, me and so Rod Stewart.


They have all been knighted except me. I've just got a MBE, but I


wouldn't mind a knighthood. Sir Iwan . Yeah, got a nice wrinkled I'm


meeting a man who claims that his company improves the odds of getting


to kneel before the Queen. What does one have to do to get a knighthood?


You have to be in it to win it. People can't nominate themselves. If


you know somebody who is worthy of a honour, you have to put them


forward. How can your company help somebody like me? We will save the


nominator time, effort and deprivation. We typically spend 100


to 150 hours on a nomination. If I came to you with ?10,000 and said,


work some magic, what happens if I didn't get a good result? I get a


refund? We would only take somebody on if we felt they had a well above


average chance. What if somebody is really deserving but they don't have


2p to rub together? They can get friends and family to nominate them.


It's free to do it. All you have to do is go to the government website,


download the forms and take care of the process yourself. You didn't


happen to slay a dragon or rescue a damsel in distress to become what


began in childhood, and arduous training regime of swordsmanship and


chivalry until 18, when a religious ceremony turned you into a knight.


It's a knighthood really worth it these days? Do the public still sit


up and notice? I think it's a big deal. If somebody has gone out of


their way to do loads of good things for the community, they should be


respected for that and people should know. If somebody is recognised with


a MBE, OBE or knighthood, is it a good thing? It inspires kids. Are


they worth the fuss? Probably not. Possibly a bit outdated. I think a


lot of people do a lot of good work and don't get rewarded for the


people who get a phenomenal income and get a lot of exposure, be


grateful for what you have got. Don't whinge about. But my


nomination does get past the first hurdle, and how do I get selected by


committee and then the Prime Minister? Myles Pryce was a spin


doctor for Tony Blair and dealt with the Prime Minister's selection of


potential knights. When a nomination lands on the table, is it a done


deal? No, you have to be checked out. There are committees looking at


your background and there can be barriers in your way. It's not


automatic. If you get that far, you are a long way down the road. Do you


ever look at it and think, that would be good PR for us if that


individual was mated? It depends who they are. It is what looks good for


the country though. -- is that individual was knighted. How can I


get promotion? Keep your nose clean and you never know. To be honest, I


think a knighthood is years from me. But in the meantime, I'm going to


practice. James, take me home! Be happy with a MBE! Sir Trevor, is


it right that you thought your knighthood letter was a mistake?


First of all, it had been sent somewhere else and it never reached


me. I had a call saying I hadn't responded and I said, what letter? I


gradually got out of the person from Downing Street that it was about a


honour. I said, what honour? They said it was a knighthood and I was


suddenly interested. But it went the wrong place and I almost never got


it. I never believed... I kept it in my pocket for several days before


saying anything to anybody. I was quite sure another one would come


saying, we've made a terrible mistake and send this to the wrong


person. I was pleased but shocked. Brilliant! I have learned a tonne of


things from being on this show, not least that Sir Trevor may not have


been a sir at all. On top of that, an American present died because he


got a cold, basically, before he went into office at the inauguration


and he didn't wear a coat. And there are a lot of different breeds of


mice. There are. I like the sound of mouses. I bet I can name one that


you don't know. We are going to name mice? Dormouse, African pygmy mouse,


harvest mouse, Mickey Mouse. Meet the sea mouse, Matt. You didn't know


about him. Chocolate mouse? Deep in the coastal inlets of western


Scotland live some weird and wonderful animals. Seven armed


starfish, and enemies and brittle stars in their thousands but, in


amongst these waving arms is perhaps the most strange creature, a bizarre


marine worm known as a sea mouse. Under light, it becomes oddly


iridescent. Believe it or not, the secret behind this fascinating


creature could soon affect us all. They are usually incredibly


difficult to see because they spend most of their time buried in the


mud, deep on the sea bed. So, to get a closer look at the sea mouse's


incredible iridescent colours, scientists have caught some for us


and, with my torch, I can show you their most remarkable feature. Can


you see that iridescent is? The are so beautiful. When white light


shines on a sea mouse's pairs, they reflect a rainbow of colours. It is


something intriguing scientists, such as Oxford University's doctor


Andrew Parker. This is one of those individual hairs. As the structure


is curved, you get different angles presenting itself to the light so


you get different colours from both angles. Rather than a pigment, like


you would get in your clothes, this is totally transparent material. But


what is the use of such vibrant colours to a worm living on the sea


bed? Well, it is thought the iridescent material could be to


frighten off predators by drawing attention to their shop spines. And


the principle behind it could revolutionise the Internet, because


it can transmit light 50% faster than that used today for superfast


communication. The secret lies in its microscopic structure. Magnified


thousands of times, this image reveals layers of hexagonal cells


called photonic crystals. After decades of research, the


telecommunications industry was catching up with nature to create


its own version. A pity we didn't discover this first or we could have


saved a lot of time in physics labs. Since this extraordinary discovery


in sea mice, it's also been seen in other animals, peacocks, magpies and


butterflies, all of which display the same quality. In years to come,


don't be surprised to see the remarkable light reflecting


properties of the sea mice appearing in a variety of products from


high-tech clothing to iridescent pink. If you are going sea mouse


spotting, take a torch. It's important. We asked for your


breaking news story, so Trevor could announce it. Here goes. A trip down


memory lane. You guys are just testing what I can still read this


one is, Stuart assembles summerhouse all by himself. And this one,


Michelle makes a rug out of husband's old T-shirts. And


finally... And finally, Samantha and Mark from Haydock are expecting.


Great news. Lovely news. That reminds me... I am so relieved. And,


Alex and family, we send our love to you. Thank you to Sir Trevor


McDonald. You can now go home and get your glass of wine and your


hotdog. Mafia Women starts next Thursday at 9pm on ITV. I will be


back tomorrow with Richard Osman as we chat to sell reports -- national


project to Sara Cox, and there was music from Elbow. Good night.


Sir Trevor McDonald talks to Matt Baker and Angela Scanlon about interviewing former members of the mafia. Plus a report from Spain with the latest on vegetable and lettuce rationing.