11/05/2016 The One Show

Hello and welcome to the One Show Arms

Tonight, we're pulling pints, talking pubs and celebrating

the role they play in our lives and communities.

Behind the bar is our landlord for the night - Suggs.

He's APPLAUSE going to be telling us about how Madness

started their career in north London's pubs.

While Suggs keeps the drinks flowing, we'll also be chatting

This is very rustic. It is. Relax, have a drink. We will find out why

you are sporting those whiskers. And we mustn't forget our friends

out in the beer garden, Our pub band for the night -

the Lumineers. # I belong with you

# You belong with me. They'll be performing their new

track at the end of the show. And we're going to introduce them to

a few Great British pub traditions. There's also a serious side

to tonight's programme because our pubs are under threat,

with 27 closing each week. Thanks. You have been telling us

what has been happening to your pubs and we have created this map at each

beer mat represents a different pub and story. We have colour-coded

them. Green representing good news, where a pub has been saved. The

Craw's Nest in Scotland, it was saved by four friends after the

former owner decided to close it. All of the staff stayed on and the

previous owner is now the manager. There are stories of pubs imperil in

amber. Like the Bay Horse in north Yorkshire. It was put up for sale

and the community have fought to raise money to buy their pub. They

have until September to raise those funds. There are sad stories of pubs

who have had to call time for good, but we hope some of them will reopen

and we have coloured those in red. The Carlton Tavern in London, it is

one we know well because the One Show football team drank there.

Property developers demolished the papa despite the council turning

down their planning permission. The council have said they have to

rebuild it brick by brick but the developers are fighting that

decision. We will tell as many stories as we can tonight, we know

this map is far from complete. If you have a story about your pub get

in touch to tell us what has happened. And if you can, include a

picture. The future of our local is being

decided in a hearing so I know how it affects communities. If you are

watching from a pub, said a picture and we will raise a glass to you. We

are the only ones without a drink here. I have just spotted that.

Martin, you do not drink, you gave up alcohol a long time ago. I made

up for it before that! You still enjoy a pub and all the travelling

you do in theatre productions up and down the country, do you have

favourites, anywhere you can recommend? There is a favourite

called the Bird in Hand in Norfolk I go to with terrific food. That is

why I go. I am a vegetarian. You are fussy, Martin. Whereabouts in

Norfolk? That would be in South Norfolk. That is as clear as I am

going to get. What makes the ideal pub? Conde Vialli and a well-run pub

and a place where people go on a regular basis and so you get to know

people in your area which is what all pubs should stand for --

conviviality. George Orwell and the moon under the water, a pub that did

not exist. You said Ron well but the fact of the matter is not all

deserve to stay open, many close because we are going out less, I do

not mean we, but asked in general and drink is cheaper at home. There

is also a need for more housing. And most of us find neighbourhood

supermarkets handy but many pubs are valuable if they develop and the

government has recognised something needs to be done. The boarded-up pub

is a familiar sight in towns and villages up and down the land. It is

estimated we are losing 27 per week and while doubtless some do not have

customers to keep going, others are falling victim to something beyond

their control, property prices. Actor Neil Stuke of Doctor Foster

fame has campaigned for years to save our locals. What is happening?

They are an easy target for developers and are being sold off

cheap and closed down and redeveloped, like this one, our

local. This sort of thing is happening everywhere. Two miles away

the Golden lion has been in the Murphy family for 38 years. You can

see it is a handsome Victorian building and for the landlord Dave

Murphy and his mother Mary that was the problem because converted into

flats, it would be worth millions. I have been here since 1978, it is a

family run pub, and we know most of the community and they know us and

it is a lovely establishment to drinking. What happened? We got told

a developer has daughters in 2011 and they were going to turn it into

flats. -- had bought us. What did they see? Lovely high ceilings.

There is a lot of space to turn in flats and they have just seen money.

It is not just flats. Pubs are being converted into supermarket at the

rate of two a week. In Derby 1000 locals signed a petition to save the

Rose and crown, a pub since 1753 and the owners Marstons want to sell it

to a discount supermarket who plan to replace it and the church with a

shop and car park creating at least 25 jobs. Campaigner Roy has been

drinking at the pub for 25 years. We are upset about the fact that not

only do they want to knock it down, just for it to be a piece of tarmac

is terrible. You have got some figures. We would like somebody with

more knowledge than we have to actually go through these properly

and prove the pub is viable. We showed a chartered surveyor and pub

assess the information Marstons provided. What do the figures tell

you? They tell me the pub is doing 700,000, 750,000 sales. It is a

classic case of the successful pub, no reason why it should not be

successful, but its value is probably higher with an alternative

use. Marstons save feelings here are mixed. They say Simon Clarke's

assessment is wrong and they have invested in the rose and crown for

years with little increased benefit and they say they have built 120 new

pubs in Britain creating more than 5000 jobs, and in Kent, this grade

two listed pub was pub until bought by developer who wanted to turn it

into a house. Neil Stuke got involved in the campaign to save it.

There is always shocked to think a council who are responsible for

heritage could so easily strike it off. What is safe these days? The

Houses of Parliament, the Tower of London, will that be a Tesco?

Through his legal drama he met barrister Philip Coppel, a top

planning QC, who examined the case for keeping the Chequer Inn as a pub

and effectively wrote a planning template to save your local. I hope

that it serves as a template. Each case will have to be decided on its

merits and each example will have particular facts. The report worked

as councillors voted to overturn the decision. The building was packed

with campaigners to save the Chequer Inn. It was an extraordinary night.

I cried. Some councils have woken up to the threat facing disappearing

pubs. Camden in London is one. Outside the place he hopes Mark a

line in the sand, I met this counsellor. What happened to the

Crown Goose hammered home to Camden that we cannot afford to lose

these pubs. Residents want thriving pubs in the heart of the community

and we have strengthened our policies to make sure when

developers come knocking they will have a hell of a job to get it

passed our planning department. That shift turned the Golden lion into a

Phoenix as after three years, developers abandon the plans. I

managed to buy the freehold and we can look forward to the future now,

it is brighter for us, now we know where we stand with the business and

the building, to remain for the community for the next 38, 40 years.

Neil Stuke has joined us. Watching you in that film was extraordinary,

you were emotional. Great news about the Chequer Inn. How did you meet

Philip Coppel the QC? I was lucky playing a senior clerk in Silk, I

called up a senior clerk mate and within minutes, literally, he put us

in touch with Philip. It was a great kindness of Philip to give his time.

Obviously, they are not cheap! The village had a whip round and paid

for his time. Hopefully as he said he has set a template to use in a

future to save others. This is one of many you have campaigned for and

community is your thing, it is shops, everything. We are the victim

of the Dartmouth Arms closing which Suggs used to use as well, which has

been closed, along with the Black Cap in Camden. They are closing

down. That was a rousing local vibrant place you used to go with

lovely food and everything, it is really sad. On a side note, I have

to talk about Doctor Foster. You were nominated for Bafta. There is a

second series, we believe. Are you part of it? Yes, filming in

September. Any spoilers? Absolutely not. It is brilliant. I loved the

first one. Thanks. Philip Coppel QC's report on the Chequer Inn is on

the website and might be helpful for you to use it if you are looking to

save your pub. From a QC to an inspector, who is also partial to a

tipple. Very good.

I have just come to say night night. I will popping on Mrs Parker

tomorrow. You do know you have got... ?

Yes. Yes. APPLAUSE

Very skilful. You have the same glass. Do you want

to try it? I am kidding! George dentally is up in Durham, where

there are some good pubs. I wish I had time to visit them. 14 hours a

day, no chance. Let's explain these sideburns. What is going on. The

character you play likes a drink in the new Theatre production. Not

half, Henry Horatio Hobson. It is interesting you talk about pubs

because the pub is central to the story. He is a helpless alcoholic. I

spend most of the evening staggering around the stage, pontificating,

which is funny. He is off down the pub most of the time.

You have been teetotal for years, so how does it work in your mind,

playing a drunk? In the years leading up to teetotal, I drank

enough for four lifetimes, so the muscle memory is still there. I only

have to do that a few times. You studied Hobson's Choice, the play

you are doing, did that make you more inclined to do it or less?

Definitely more, this is the third time I have done the play, I did see

it in 86 to three when I was a drama student at the old Vic theatre, and

it was a departure from the broad comedy that was the ethos of the

time, because it was more like a method was the thing in 63, so they

were doing a very realistic version of it, without sacrificing the

comedy, because it is a very funny play, and it inspired me completely,

I thought, that is what I want to do. Is there any of his Hobson in

yours? I do think so. I can't remember in any detail, and you

can't really imitate another actor's performance. Can you, Neil? But you

can be inspired by it, I kind of get where he is going, but it has to be

an internal process. If you try to do it from the outside, it won't

work. Having done this before, do you change the way you play him? I

haven't played Henry before. I played one of the smaller parts in

1966, and in 1970, I played a slightly larger part, I am making my

way up the cast. And Hobson's Choice is going all over the country,

plenty of nice pubs en route! You can perfect the play before it hits

London files. A lot of young actors don't want to any more, because it

is hard work, you are living out of a suitcase, but the benefit is by

the time you get to the West End, you had a chance to polish it, try

that in front of an audience, see what works, and it has the added

benefit of not being London centric, you are letting people in the

provinces set capital work. You mentioned living out of a suitcase,

little bird told us you carry vegetarian food around with you. Is

that true? If you are on tour and staying in a hotel and you get back

to the hotel at 11 o'clock, you know watching your show tells alike, room

service, that looks nice but it finishes at ten o'clock. Very

organised. All of your clothes smell of falafel!

LAUGHTER Hobson's Choice opens at London's

vaudeville Theatre on the 8th of June. Pubs perform all sorts of

roles in the community, as a hub where people can get together. But

they can also help people get together. When a pub has been the

starting point for at least 80 marriages, we know it is doing

something right. # You've done it all... There is a

positive energy, definitely. When you step in the door, you feel it.

It is like a club, but it is definitely a pardon. It is a natural

thing that happens. You spill a bit of beer on people occasionally, but

it is all part of the fun. This is Nicky. And this is down. We met here

in 2003, that classic cliche of the barmaid and the doorman. It took him

a fair few months to get the courage up to ask me out. Luckily she hadn't

been asked out by anybody else. That was 13 years ago, and we have been

married for seven. Everyone is having fun and relaxing, and when

their eyes meet, that is it, you're just being yourself and that is

naturally attractive. I'm Julie. And I only. The Frog and Frigate has

paid a massive part in our lives together, it is my wedding day, I

have my dress on and my make-up, I am running behind schedule, and my

dad said, had you fancy nipping past the Frog and Frigate on the way, and

we will get our photo taken outside. So we stopped the car and jumped

out, and the chauffeur took a picture of us outside the Frog and

Frigate, and we were late for the ceremony. Very late! We asked the

owner of the Frog and Frigate to play at our wedding reception, and

it was literally a night at the Frog and Frigate for our wedding

reception, which was amazing. We had family members who had never

experienced the Frog and Frigate dancing on tables. It was fantastic.

S my name is Dom. I'm Sam. We met here are the Frog and Frigate in

1988. She was a regular and we gradually got to know each other and

ended up getting married. The attraction at first was he was quite

shy, and it is quite an outgoing pub, so it was his quietness that I

liked, something a bit different. When Sam asked me out, I thought it

was an opportunity couldn't miss. We got on really well, eventually got

married, and we have been married now for 25 years. 27. 20-something.

I don't think there is a Cupid working behind the bar, I just think

a few too many pints, and people are more open to saying it is ex-blue

eye and Derek, I am the landlord of the Frog and Frigate. And I am the

landlady. Lots of ladies were noticing him, but I won through

somehow, and we have been together ever since, and we have just

celebrated our 20th wedding anniversary last week. The pub is

central to our relationship. It keeps us definitely together. The

Frog is like a fifth member of our family, there is a picture of it on

the shelf at home. APPLAUSE

There you are, if you want to get hitched, go to Southampton!

We had our first date in our local pub, and it can be romantic. I am

worked off my feet here, to be honest. I met my wife above a pub,

she and her friends had a clothes shop, and I don't know about

romantic, but it was a very handy place to hang out while she was

finishing doing her make up downstairs in the pub. It is like

Eastenders standing here, watching you on the screen. I'm talking to

somebody, just wait a minute! It could work. You did give us, get out

of my pub earlier on. You grew up around pubs, didn't you? Most of my

generation did. Most of my family worked in pubs at different times,

you show up clip of a pub in Camden called the Crown and Goose, my

daughters worked there, we met there is a band,. We met in pubs in

Camden, it was the only place to hang around. The Hope and anchor,

that was where we got one of our earliest gigs. And the Dublin

Castle, that was a very Irish pub, which they all were in Camden in

those days, and the governor said, what is your act, lads? That is my

Welsh accident. I really like the way you have made the floor sticky,

it is so authentic. And we told him we were country and western, which

is when seven skinny teenagers start leaping about playing Jamaican ska,

the Irish regulars were confused. You do what you have to do. He sold

a few pints, and we got a residency in the pub. And Madness, still going

extremely strong. And this year is a particularly busy year for you,

isn't it? It is funny, people talking about the demise of selling

records, the live thing has got better and better, and for us as a

half decent live band, we're getting more and more festivals. We are

doing our own one of Clapham Common on the 28th 29th, and we are also

making our own beer which you can taste if you can come there. So when

you say your own festival, you are putting it on yourself? We did one a

number of years ago in north London, I have never been south of the river

in my life, it is a whole new experience! I am still working out

on the map where it is. We thought, why should south Londoners have to

miss out on Madness? And a new album, as well? A new album, will it

never end? As long as the knees hold out. And where are you going with

this new album, and how does that fit in with the sound of Madness? I

like time to observe ordinary people's lives. I think we have just

carried on some of that tradition, which is trying to turn an ordinary

life into something theatrical, and have a bit of fun. They are closing

the Kinks pub in Muswell Hill. Mr angry at the back here, don't get

him going! He is absolutely right. Pubs are part of our community, get

out there and save our pubs! APPLAUSE

Well said, thank you so much for being a fantastic landlord for us.

Madness' one-day festival, House of Common is on the bank holiday in

August, the 29th. We asked you to send us pictures of you in the pub,

and you have done it! I like this one, this lot are drinking in the

red Lion in Shropshire. He is missing, where did he go? The golden

rule in Cumbria, and finally, Brydon is watching us there. Now it is time

to head back over to Helen, who has this massive UK map to hear some

more of your stories. Thank you. I have picked out a

selection which show some of the things you can do to protect your

pub. The first one is the Maybush in Essex, and when they're pub was put

up a sale, locals applied to have it listed as a Asset of Community

Value, or a CD. This gives a community Group 6 months to try to

raise the money to buy their pub. In this case, the developers were put

off, the community bought their pub, and it had its official opening last

weekend. However, critics say that an ACV isn't a complete answer,

owners can reject a bid from locals and sell to a developer if they can

get planning permission. That happened at the Tumbledown Dick in

Farmborough, Danny in red on our map. The community got it listed as

an ACV, but it was still converted into a McDonald's. Now let's take a

look at the Haydn cross here in the Black Country, which we have marked

on our map. Tim Howard ski has led the campaign against plans to build

a committee supermarket on the car park of the pub. Building a store on

the car park and demolishing the beer garden will basically make the

pub on viable. It needs to remain as it is with its car park and beer

garden. It is a busy pub with its own football team, three darts

teams, a quiz night, food, parties, weddings, wakes. It is a very busy

pub and we needed to stay as it is. What is the present position? Our

local council rejected the most recent planning application, which

was rejected overwhelmingly in November, and the landowner has

until the 23rd of May to appeal, so we are ready if indeed they do. If

you are trying to save your local from development, please make sure

that you get as many objections as you can posted on the planning

application on the council's website. This encourages councils to

hear applications at a planning committee where your voice can be

heard rather than it being decided behind closed doors. Also with me

here is Beckford anglers rest in Derbyshire. Not only did you get

your pub and ACV status, you save the last pub in the village. The

community bought it, which is a feat in itself. During the two years of

our campaign, it became clear that the post office in the village was

also at risk, and the village said very clearly, we want to protect the

post office as well, so we brought it into the mix, made it part of our

plans, and we now have a pub, post office and a daytime cafe all under

the same roof. We have activities going on every single day, so

tonight is pie and quiz night. You are missing that? I am, to be here

tonight! APPLAUSE

David Richard will be putting the final touches to the quiz as we

speak, and Adam will be putting out his amazing pies. We are not

stopping there, we have just got a grant from the Power to Changed to

look at what we can do with the upstairs of the building, so we have

plans to develop and build further on our community hub. You are an

amazing lady! APPLAUSE

We are not just talking country pubs here. Warren is from the bevy, which

I think I'm right in saying is the first community owned pub on a

council estate, isn't it? You've added a lot of support and

enthusiasm for it, but it wasn't always easy, was it? The pub had a

troubled history and was closed for five years, so it took us five years

of raising money to finally open, and we have been in 18 months. You

have to be more than a pub to survive, so we have friends club, a

senior club, a repair cafe, disability groups, running club,

community choir, so many different things going on. Say you are ready a

proper community pub, supporting people in your area? It is about

bringing people together, creating jobs, working with local schools so

they have apprenticeships, putting the heart back in the community,

that is why our vicar always said, this is father John. Raise a glass

to father John! Finally with us in the corner, Jack is landlord of the

Queens head in London's East End, and you are trying to buy your pub

at the moment. And we had a stroke of luck, the

Queen's Head, 180 years old, the most historic pub in the East End

bar none had been in trouble until my partner and I saved it and now

the people who owned it decided to sell it to us and with the help of

the Plunkett Foundation and architectural Heritage fund and

local community we are hoping to buy it, but anybody with an interest in

the history of London should get down there with their cheque-book.

One lady who would be interested in your story is the Queen Mother. She

has visited the pub twice, once when she was courting the King at the

time, during the Blitz 's, and three times, the Queen Mother has been

there, the only pub royalty has visited in the East End. You are not

there. I was not even born! With 27 pubs closing every week, communities

cannot always step in that funds are available and the government has

announced 3.6 million over the next two years you can apply to for

grants so if you would like to save your pub there is information on the

website. Legislation is different depending on whether you are in

Scotland, England, Wales or Northern Ireland. Thanks to my guests.

Inspiring stories. Thank you. I would like to try one of Adam's

amazing pies. The problem of pubs closing is so acute, the government

has opened its own fund to help community campaigns. It has

appointed a pub referee, Paul Newby, to sort out disputes. Heller reckons

you have a tough job on your hands. Pub land Lord Dave is a good

listener. He advises tenants in dispute with the companies who own

their pubs, the so-called pubcos. I do not want anybody to be where I

was five years ago. And if I can help people to avoid that, I will.

Before moving to the Boat, he spent five years at another Derbyshire pub

as a pubco tenant but left with mounting debts that would bankrupt

him. You are facing bankruptcy, all of the emotional impact it has. You

feel you have failed your family. The pubco who owned this pub said

the dispute with them is long since settled and in no way representative

of their current business model. In most talented pubs owned by pubcos

breweries the landlords have to buy the beer from them at fixed higher

prices. Unlike the rising Sun, the Boat is a free house and Dave can

buy his drink wherever he wants. Here a pint of Pedigree sells for

around ?3. As free of tied tenant he gets ?2 profit. If he were tied and

Hatton by the beer from the company he would pay 80p per pint more. --

had to buy the beer. He has negotiated on behalf of 50 other

unhappy pubco tenants. It is a purely one-sided agreement. Quite

often we can get results for them. Working with pubcos and breweries

works well for many tenants, but in 2011, MPs on the business

innovations and skills Select Committee concluded the beer tie and

high rents were closing pubs. The industry said it would change, yet

in 2014, the Campaign for Real Ale said the odds were still stacked

against tenants. There was an inequality between the way the

pubcos were acting towards tenants, put simply they were seeking to make

too much money from the relationship in our opinion and maintaining

tenants offered in a position of poverty, frankly. Until 2005, this

man worked for pubcos. While no longer employed by pubcos, he does

not want to be identified because he still works in the hospitality

industry and fears for his employment. He says a rapid turnover

in tenants was simply accepted. The tenants were cannon fodder. If

landlords did a good job and were successful, after three years the

red with the increased and that was when problems would begin. Landlords

would find it almost impossible to make a living. This is a

confidential online forum, where landlords can seek advice and

support from each other. There are hundreds of stories of struggling

tied tenants. Pubcos say it is simply not in their interests to see

tenants struggle. Bridget Simons heads the British beer and Pub

association. The pub tie is a low-cost entry into running your own

business and is a partnership with the pub company who will support you

and provide capital investment, about 200 million a year from our

companies, and they want you to succeed. A new law coming in, the

Pubs Code, it is aimed at ensuring tied tenants get a fairer deal. It

means as agreements come up for review tenants will be able to leave

the beer tie and negotiate a fair market rent. How have pubcos

responded to the legislation? We will respect the legislation. We do

not like statutory legislation but we look forward to working with the

adjudicator. We have a voluntary system and we will build on that and

we accept it. A decade after it was mooted, will the Pubs Code mean

tenants can pull pints without one hand tied behind their back?

Paul Newby is the newly appointed Pubs Adjudicator and I am informed

your drink of choice is a pint of foaming ale. Slightly short!

But I got it to foam. We should stress that many tied pubs operate

without disputes and some do not work because they are not well

managed. But a report commissioned by the Campaign for Real Ale found

20% of tight licensees earned 50,000 -- ?15,000 or more a year. What is

your message to people? Tenants work long hours and should be able to

earn a decent living. That must be clear. What is the code about? It is

to create a better and fairer relationship, to look at any

imbalances in the big pubco, small tenant relationship and deal with

those. I suppose in a nutshell where they exist, it is to achieve a level

playing field and where necessary to provide protection for tenants. And

a role that is well needed. I know landlords who have fallen victim of

this. The stories we heard in the film. How strict can you be with the

Pub companies? How can you be sure they will not recoup the money in

other ways? The code addresses this issue in a number of ways. Let's be

clear. We do not know how they might come at us but if there are a unfair

practices the code is meant to deal with it. How strict can it be? It

can be very strict if it needs to be. There are parts of the trade

where the relationship is quite good but there are parts that are not and

I want to ensure the parts that are not properly looked at. Some may say

that your CV suggests, your relationship with pub companies,

that you would find it hard to be impartial in this case, how will you

take that forward? I am concerned about these comments. I do not want

them to get in the way of the code. You used to sell properties that

were pubs to be developed? Let me be clear about that. I have huge

respect from the people who have worked so hard to get this code and

I want nothing that will get in the way of that. I need to work on this

area. I have never worked for a pub company but in my last role I worked

for a company that gave advice to pub companies. I also gave advice to

tenants, as well. It is good you know how both sides work. I am

coming from this in the round and am able to look at it from all sides

and I want to use that to implement the code. How worthwhile are these

campaigns we are hearing about tonight? This proves it, doesn't it?

The attention has been achieved, it is fantastic. The pub is an

important part of British life, history, culture, social lives, we

want to see them thrive and the code is an important part in the pubco

tenant market, it is an important part of helping them survive. You

think the number, 27 a week, will be different next year? Let's hope so.

Otherwise we will get you back and find out! As well as the foaming

ale, you have to have a few nibbles. We have pork scratchings, pickled

eggs. How are the sausage rolls? Good? They do not look particularly

appealing. I am sure Ricky's spaghetti he has been cooking with

Dire Straits' bassist John Illsley will be nicer.

Seafood at the seaside is a winner but today we are leaving the rocks

behind because we are cooking for a rock star. John Illsley is known as

the bass player and co-founder of Dire Straits. After international

success in the 80s he still makes music, but he is a man of many

passions and one of them is food. Hello, John. Nice to meet you. You

look like you have the vegetables. We should go and cook. Come and meet

the family. He moved to Hampshire at the height of his fame with his wife

and four children. His eldest James has left home but his daughters and

other Sun are often around, especially when food is on offer.

Seafood, is it a family favourite? Very much so. We live by the coast

and it is available locally. What are we making today? We will have

spaghetti with clams from down the road. Garlic from the Isle of Wight,

tomatoes, onions, Chile and white wine, fresh parsley. Simple. Where

did the passion for food come from? From my parents, because they grew

vegetables in the garden. I grew up with a healthy diet which is what we

try to pass on to our kids. Normally we get everyone involved in doing

this but there is not enough room around the table. That is the prep

done. It is time for a pint. I like the sound of that. The philosophy of

choosing local is not limited to food. After moving here, John bought

his local, the perfect place for that pike. What made you by your own

pub? A slight moment of madness. I loved the way it looked and thought

if I did not buy it, somebody would come along and take the character

away. I was given instructions to leave the public bar as it is. It

has been the same for 20 years. You feel relaxed. Completely. It is a

safe haven. At the peak of their success the music of Dire Straits

was known all over the world. We ended up quickly feeling we had

something that was unique. It was very exciting. In a sense, it is

every schoolboy's dream to be in a rock 'n' roll band and buy a pub.

When Mark and I decided to call it a day in 92, 93, I took up painting

and started painting here pretty much full time. A few years into his

new life, John was diagnosed with leukaemia. It is a shock when

someone tells you when you are 50 you have ten years to live. We beat

the odds, anyway, but I kept it under wraps and I kept it from the

children. I had a transplant in 2011. Five years, I am clear now.

All is well. John and I have been chewing the fat while the family

have been cooking the lunch. How is it going? Look at this. This is

perfect. And it's looking good. You guys all

enjoy cooking? Efan Atlee, especially on weekends when we are

all at home together. -- definitely. And who is the best cook? Let's not

start an argument. D is a really good baker, so she does the Brownies

and cakes. Alongside his love of food, John's musical journey

continues, but life is a far cry from his rock 'n' roll days, and he

spends much less time on the road. I like my life down here, I like the

pub, the food, my family, and I don't want to put any of that at

risk. Treat every new day as a present.

That was absolutely beautiful. Thank you all very much for having me.

It's a pleasure. Nice to see you. Thank you, Ricky. Dire Straits was

my first album. I shouldn't say that to you. I heard a couple of numbers,

but they were very long, weren't they? We have some stories to add to

the map, I am slightly panicking, because my geography is rubbish.

South Northamptonshire, the end was on the brink of closing, bought back

by Margaret and John. It is somewhere around here, thereabouts.

Excellent, what next? Villagers have saved this from being turned into

residential accommodation, and it is in North Devon. Show the picture,

and I will pop that there, apologies to the Molesworth arms if I have got

that wrong. And this is just come through. Our local pub, the oak and

Derwin is in the village of... Alex, please, you should be doing this!

Village in Wales, it has been rescued by locals who now run it as

a not-for-profit business employing local people. North Wales. Let's put

it there so it doesn't squeeze anything out. And the weather here,

there would be a Terol bit of rain coming down from Scotland...

LAUGHTER Thank you so much that everybody who

has written in to tell us about your pub.

Originally thought that Suggs should be the Barman at the Queen Vic, but

I think he should be doing the weather! I'm not sure about his

Welsh pronunciation! We are joined by Rachel from the British skittles

championship. You have been organising matches for 20 years now.

22, actually. So what got you into it? Have a go, come on. As a family,

we just loved playing skittles, and it was one of those things. It just

brings everybody together. And quite a few still have alleys like this.

APPLAUSE There are hundreds of skittle alleys

all across South Wales, the South of England, the West Country. It is a

massive pub sport, fantastic. And you were saying these weekends can

get quite lively. Very lively, we take thousands of people every year

on our Skrtel weekends, and it is great fun. Tell us about the Dorset

flop. You are going to do it in just a moment. I have been practising it.

Basically you have the upper hand it straight bowling, which is very

popular, and in Dorset they have much bigger balls...

LAUGHTER You are going to have to rephrase

that. They do! They have bigger balls in Dorset! So what they

discovered is a way of throwing it which you actually launch yourself

down the alley, and it is very unique, you have to see it. They get

into this position because they have bigger balls? But the women do it

much better. I apologised ever be in Dorset, this is my way of doing it.

I hope I get it right now. No pressure! And there it is!

APPLAUSE Wesley, how do British pubs compared

to American bars? The beer is a little warmer here. Our beer is ice

cold. Have a go, then. Double hands, that is it. Here is Mike in the

meantime with a British bird that could do with a bit more being heard

of after tonight! He will be puffing after that!

For the last decade, the population of puffins in Northern Ireland has

been in decline. Usually increase in predators, the population has halved

since 1999, with numbers still falling. So, to make sure puffins

continue to successfully breed here, an ambitious project was started

four years ago. I'm on the lighthouse Island, part of the

Copeland Islands, home to a whole variety of sea birds, including Manx

shearwater, black guillemots and arctic tern is. But until recently,

no puffins. The Copelands lie around two miles off the coast of Northern

Ireland in the Irish Sea, but the puffins have been bypassing these

islands as they journey to other breeding sites. However,

conservationists are now trying to encourage them to stop here. The

British trust for ornithology is in charge of the project. The real

problem with puffins is they are so faithful to their breeding site, it

is hard to get them to spread. They are really loyal to the site they

were born in, and so we have to try to persuade them that Copeland

Islands are really good place for to breed. Why are the Copelands

potentially so good for puffins? There are no to wrest real

predators, so we don't have wrapped, cats, ferrets, mink, Foxes, things

that eat ground nesting sea birds. A secluded, safe place the sea birds

to breed. Also another couple of reasons why the Copelands should be

good for puffins, the sea is rich in sand eels, their favourite food.

Plenty of potential for accommodation here, the island has

already rabbits and Manx shearwater who breed underground, so any vacant

holes like this, perfect for the puffins to move in. It is the young

adolescents that Shane and his team want to encourage here, due to not

yet been completely loyal to their birth site, as their priority is

looking for a mate. So to attract them onto the island, some highly

experimental ideas have been put in place. Hopefully to convince passing

puffins that puffins are already here.

This is brilliant. I think it is termed a puffin two pronged attack.

One is a sound system playing puffin calls. That is the sound of a

contented puffin? I have to assume it is, because it works, the puffins

came almost as soon as we put the sound out. And we also have decoyed

puffins, and we have put these around the slope, around us here, so

that with the sound and the decoys, those adolescent puffins that have

been seen on the water are being attracted, and think that this is a

puffin colony already. Within a week of the project starting, eight

puffins were recorded on the island. And now there are thought to be

around 80. But the real success will be when they finally breed here. As

they lay only one egg Beere, deep in a burrow, it is hard to tell if they

have bred or not. But there are signs to look out for. I could sit

here and watch puffins all day long. But what I want to know is, are they

breeding? We have had some cracking courtship displays. The precursor to

mating. Absolutely. And in the last couple of days, we have seen them

coming ashore with food in their bills. Which is incontrovertible

proof there are checks? Absolutely. They will not bring food ashore

unless they are coming to feed chicks, so that is proof. It is

fantastic. We are only at the very beginning, we have lots of puffins,

but only one or two pairs breeding. It is taken us for years to get this

far, but it is the start of a new colony, and hopefully over the next

number of years, that colony will grow and grow, because we have got

them now. It is fantastic. I think they are delighted that the

puffins are coming back this year to Copeland, too.

You have agonised huge rings, you have homes to go to, go away! It is

not closing time, but it is almost the end of the show. Thank you to

all of our guests, and everyone who has got in touch to tell us about

their pubs. And of course the best way to support your local pub is to

use it. Martin's Place, -- play, Hobson's Choice is an soon, and

Suggs is Festival. We will be back tomorrow with Jose

Cubero is. But now, singing their new song, the Lumineers!

# I got a new girlfriend here

# And you can't see past my blindness

# You've been on my mind, girl, since the flood

# Heaven help the fool who falls in love

# You got big plans and you gotta move

# You've been on my mind, girl, like a drug

# Heaven help a fool who falls in love

# You've been on my mind, girl, since the flood

# Heaven help a fool who falls in love

# You've been on my mind, girl, like a drug

# Heaven help a fool who falls in love #

APPLAUSE CHEERING