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Hello and welcome to the One Show Arms

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Tonight, we're pulling pints, talking pubs and celebrating

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the role they play in our lives and communities.

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Behind the bar is our landlord for the night - Suggs.

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He's APPLAUSE going to be telling us about how Madness

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started their career in north London's pubs.

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While Suggs keeps the drinks flowing, we'll also be chatting

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This is very rustic. It is. Relax, have a drink. We will find out why

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you are sporting those whiskers. And we mustn't forget our friends

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out in the beer garden, Our pub band for the night -

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the Lumineers. # I belong with you

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# You belong with me. They'll be performing their new

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track at the end of the show. And we're going to introduce them to

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a few Great British pub traditions. There's also a serious side

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to tonight's programme because our pubs are under threat,

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with 27 closing each week. Thanks. You have been telling us

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what has been happening to your pubs and we have created this map at each

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beer mat represents a different pub and story. We have colour-coded

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them. Green representing good news, where a pub has been saved. The

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Craw's Nest in Scotland, it was saved by four friends after the

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former owner decided to close it. All of the staff stayed on and the

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previous owner is now the manager. There are stories of pubs imperil in

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amber. Like the Bay Horse in north Yorkshire. It was put up for sale

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and the community have fought to raise money to buy their pub. They

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have until September to raise those funds. There are sad stories of pubs

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who have had to call time for good, but we hope some of them will reopen

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and we have coloured those in red. The Carlton Tavern in London, it is

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one we know well because the One Show football team drank there.

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Property developers demolished the papa despite the council turning

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down their planning permission. The council have said they have to

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rebuild it brick by brick but the developers are fighting that

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decision. We will tell as many stories as we can tonight, we know

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this map is far from complete. If you have a story about your pub get

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in touch to tell us what has happened. And if you can, include a

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picture. The future of our local is being

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decided in a hearing so I know how it affects communities. If you are

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watching from a pub, said a picture and we will raise a glass to you. We

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are the only ones without a drink here. I have just spotted that.

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Martin, you do not drink, you gave up alcohol a long time ago. I made

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up for it before that! You still enjoy a pub and all the travelling

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you do in theatre productions up and down the country, do you have

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favourites, anywhere you can recommend? There is a favourite

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called the Bird in Hand in Norfolk I go to with terrific food. That is

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why I go. I am a vegetarian. You are fussy, Martin. Whereabouts in

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Norfolk? That would be in South Norfolk. That is as clear as I am

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going to get. What makes the ideal pub? Conde Vialli and a well-run pub

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and a place where people go on a regular basis and so you get to know

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people in your area which is what all pubs should stand for --

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conviviality. George Orwell and the moon under the water, a pub that did

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not exist. You said Ron well but the fact of the matter is not all

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deserve to stay open, many close because we are going out less, I do

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not mean we, but asked in general and drink is cheaper at home. There

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is also a need for more housing. And most of us find neighbourhood

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supermarkets handy but many pubs are valuable if they develop and the

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government has recognised something needs to be done. The boarded-up pub

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is a familiar sight in towns and villages up and down the land. It is

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estimated we are losing 27 per week and while doubtless some do not have

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customers to keep going, others are falling victim to something beyond

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their control, property prices. Actor Neil Stuke of Doctor Foster

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fame has campaigned for years to save our locals. What is happening?

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They are an easy target for developers and are being sold off

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cheap and closed down and redeveloped, like this one, our

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local. This sort of thing is happening everywhere. Two miles away

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the Golden lion has been in the Murphy family for 38 years. You can

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see it is a handsome Victorian building and for the landlord Dave

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Murphy and his mother Mary that was the problem because converted into

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flats, it would be worth millions. I have been here since 1978, it is a

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family run pub, and we know most of the community and they know us and

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it is a lovely establishment to drinking. What happened? We got told

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a developer has daughters in 2011 and they were going to turn it into

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flats. -- had bought us. What did they see? Lovely high ceilings.

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There is a lot of space to turn in flats and they have just seen money.

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It is not just flats. Pubs are being converted into supermarket at the

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rate of two a week. In Derby 1000 locals signed a petition to save the

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Rose and crown, a pub since 1753 and the owners Marstons want to sell it

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to a discount supermarket who plan to replace it and the church with a

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shop and car park creating at least 25 jobs. Campaigner Roy has been

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drinking at the pub for 25 years. We are upset about the fact that not

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only do they want to knock it down, just for it to be a piece of tarmac

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is terrible. You have got some figures. We would like somebody with

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more knowledge than we have to actually go through these properly

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and prove the pub is viable. We showed a chartered surveyor and pub

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assess the information Marstons provided. What do the figures tell

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you? They tell me the pub is doing 700,000, 750,000 sales. It is a

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classic case of the successful pub, no reason why it should not be

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successful, but its value is probably higher with an alternative

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use. Marstons save feelings here are mixed. They say Simon Clarke's

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assessment is wrong and they have invested in the rose and crown for

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years with little increased benefit and they say they have built 120 new

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pubs in Britain creating more than 5000 jobs, and in Kent, this grade

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two listed pub was pub until bought by developer who wanted to turn it

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into a house. Neil Stuke got involved in the campaign to save it.

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There is always shocked to think a council who are responsible for

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heritage could so easily strike it off. What is safe these days? The

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Houses of Parliament, the Tower of London, will that be a Tesco?

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Through his legal drama he met barrister Philip Coppel, a top

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planning QC, who examined the case for keeping the Chequer Inn as a pub

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and effectively wrote a planning template to save your local. I hope

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that it serves as a template. Each case will have to be decided on its

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merits and each example will have particular facts. The report worked

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as councillors voted to overturn the decision. The building was packed

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with campaigners to save the Chequer Inn. It was an extraordinary night.

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I cried. Some councils have woken up to the threat facing disappearing

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pubs. Camden in London is one. Outside the place he hopes Mark a

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line in the sand, I met this counsellor. What happened to the

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Crown Goose hammered home to Camden that we cannot afford to lose

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these pubs. Residents want thriving pubs in the heart of the community

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and we have strengthened our policies to make sure when

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developers come knocking they will have a hell of a job to get it

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passed our planning department. That shift turned the Golden lion into a

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Phoenix as after three years, developers abandon the plans. I

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managed to buy the freehold and we can look forward to the future now,

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it is brighter for us, now we know where we stand with the business and

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the building, to remain for the community for the next 38, 40 years.

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Neil Stuke has joined us. Watching you in that film was extraordinary,

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you were emotional. Great news about the Chequer Inn. How did you meet

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Philip Coppel the QC? I was lucky playing a senior clerk in Silk, I

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called up a senior clerk mate and within minutes, literally, he put us

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in touch with Philip. It was a great kindness of Philip to give his time.

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Obviously, they are not cheap! The village had a whip round and paid

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for his time. Hopefully as he said he has set a template to use in a

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future to save others. This is one of many you have campaigned for and

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community is your thing, it is shops, everything. We are the victim

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of the Dartmouth Arms closing which Suggs used to use as well, which has

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been closed, along with the Black Cap in Camden. They are closing

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down. That was a rousing local vibrant place you used to go with

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lovely food and everything, it is really sad. On a side note, I have

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to talk about Doctor Foster. You were nominated for Bafta. There is a

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second series, we believe. Are you part of it? Yes, filming in

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September. Any spoilers? Absolutely not. It is brilliant. I loved the

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first one. Thanks. Philip Coppel QC's report on the Chequer Inn is on

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the website and might be helpful for you to use it if you are looking to

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save your pub. From a QC to an inspector, who is also partial to a

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tipple. Very good.

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I have just come to say night night. I will popping on Mrs Parker

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tomorrow. You do know you have got... ?

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Yes. Yes. APPLAUSE

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Very skilful. You have the same glass. Do you want

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to try it? I am kidding! George dentally is up in Durham, where

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there are some good pubs. I wish I had time to visit them. 14 hours a

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day, no chance. Let's explain these sideburns. What is going on. The

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character you play likes a drink in the new Theatre production. Not

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half, Henry Horatio Hobson. It is interesting you talk about pubs

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because the pub is central to the story. He is a helpless alcoholic. I

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spend most of the evening staggering around the stage, pontificating,

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which is funny. He is off down the pub most of the time.

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You have been teetotal for years, so how does it work in your mind,

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playing a drunk? In the years leading up to teetotal, I drank

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enough for four lifetimes, so the muscle memory is still there. I only

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have to do that a few times. You studied Hobson's Choice, the play

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you are doing, did that make you more inclined to do it or less?

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Definitely more, this is the third time I have done the play, I did see

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it in 86 to three when I was a drama student at the old Vic theatre, and

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it was a departure from the broad comedy that was the ethos of the

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time, because it was more like a method was the thing in 63, so they

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were doing a very realistic version of it, without sacrificing the

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comedy, because it is a very funny play, and it inspired me completely,

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I thought, that is what I want to do. Is there any of his Hobson in

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yours? I do think so. I can't remember in any detail, and you

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can't really imitate another actor's performance. Can you, Neil? But you

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can be inspired by it, I kind of get where he is going, but it has to be

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an internal process. If you try to do it from the outside, it won't

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work. Having done this before, do you change the way you play him? I

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haven't played Henry before. I played one of the smaller parts in

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1966, and in 1970, I played a slightly larger part, I am making my

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way up the cast. And Hobson's Choice is going all over the country,

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plenty of nice pubs en route! You can perfect the play before it hits

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London files. A lot of young actors don't want to any more, because it

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is hard work, you are living out of a suitcase, but the benefit is by

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the time you get to the West End, you had a chance to polish it, try

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that in front of an audience, see what works, and it has the added

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benefit of not being London centric, you are letting people in the

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provinces set capital work. You mentioned living out of a suitcase,

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little bird told us you carry vegetarian food around with you. Is

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that true? If you are on tour and staying in a hotel and you get back

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to the hotel at 11 o'clock, you know watching your show tells alike, room

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service, that looks nice but it finishes at ten o'clock. Very

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organised. All of your clothes smell of falafel!

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LAUGHTER Hobson's Choice opens at London's

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vaudeville Theatre on the 8th of June. Pubs perform all sorts of

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roles in the community, as a hub where people can get together. But

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they can also help people get together. When a pub has been the

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starting point for at least 80 marriages, we know it is doing

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something right. # You've done it all... There is a

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positive energy, definitely. When you step in the door, you feel it.

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It is like a club, but it is definitely a pardon. It is a natural

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thing that happens. You spill a bit of beer on people occasionally, but

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it is all part of the fun. This is Nicky. And this is down. We met here

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in 2003, that classic cliche of the barmaid and the doorman. It took him

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a fair few months to get the courage up to ask me out. Luckily she hadn't

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been asked out by anybody else. That was 13 years ago, and we have been

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married for seven. Everyone is having fun and relaxing, and when

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their eyes meet, that is it, you're just being yourself and that is

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naturally attractive. I'm Julie. And I only. The Frog and Frigate has

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paid a massive part in our lives together, it is my wedding day, I

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have my dress on and my make-up, I am running behind schedule, and my

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dad said, had you fancy nipping past the Frog and Frigate on the way, and

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we will get our photo taken outside. So we stopped the car and jumped

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out, and the chauffeur took a picture of us outside the Frog and

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Frigate, and we were late for the ceremony. Very late! We asked the

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owner of the Frog and Frigate to play at our wedding reception, and

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it was literally a night at the Frog and Frigate for our wedding

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reception, which was amazing. We had family members who had never

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experienced the Frog and Frigate dancing on tables. It was fantastic.

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S my name is Dom. I'm Sam. We met here are the Frog and Frigate in

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1988. She was a regular and we gradually got to know each other and

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ended up getting married. The attraction at first was he was quite

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shy, and it is quite an outgoing pub, so it was his quietness that I

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liked, something a bit different. When Sam asked me out, I thought it

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was an opportunity couldn't miss. We got on really well, eventually got

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married, and we have been married now for 25 years. 27. 20-something.

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I don't think there is a Cupid working behind the bar, I just think

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a few too many pints, and people are more open to saying it is ex-blue

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eye and Derek, I am the landlord of the Frog and Frigate. And I am the

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landlady. Lots of ladies were noticing him, but I won through

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somehow, and we have been together ever since, and we have just

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celebrated our 20th wedding anniversary last week. The pub is

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central to our relationship. It keeps us definitely together. The

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Frog is like a fifth member of our family, there is a picture of it on

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the shelf at home. APPLAUSE

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There you are, if you want to get hitched, go to Southampton!

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We had our first date in our local pub, and it can be romantic. I am

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worked off my feet here, to be honest. I met my wife above a pub,

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she and her friends had a clothes shop, and I don't know about

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romantic, but it was a very handy place to hang out while she was

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finishing doing her make up downstairs in the pub. It is like

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Eastenders standing here, watching you on the screen. I'm talking to

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somebody, just wait a minute! It could work. You did give us, get out

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of my pub earlier on. You grew up around pubs, didn't you? Most of my

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generation did. Most of my family worked in pubs at different times,

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you show up clip of a pub in Camden called the Crown and Goose, my

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daughters worked there, we met there is a band,. We met in pubs in

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Camden, it was the only place to hang around. The Hope and anchor,

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that was where we got one of our earliest gigs. And the Dublin

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Castle, that was a very Irish pub, which they all were in Camden in

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those days, and the governor said, what is your act, lads? That is my

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Welsh accident. I really like the way you have made the floor sticky,

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it is so authentic. And we told him we were country and western, which

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is when seven skinny teenagers start leaping about playing Jamaican ska,

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the Irish regulars were confused. You do what you have to do. He sold

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a few pints, and we got a residency in the pub. And Madness, still going

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extremely strong. And this year is a particularly busy year for you,

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isn't it? It is funny, people talking about the demise of selling

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records, the live thing has got better and better, and for us as a

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half decent live band, we're getting more and more festivals. We are

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doing our own one of Clapham Common on the 28th 29th, and we are also

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making our own beer which you can taste if you can come there. So when

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you say your own festival, you are putting it on yourself? We did one a

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number of years ago in north London, I have never been south of the river

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in my life, it is a whole new experience! I am still working out

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on the map where it is. We thought, why should south Londoners have to

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miss out on Madness? And a new album, as well? A new album, will it

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never end? As long as the knees hold out. And where are you going with

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this new album, and how does that fit in with the sound of Madness? I

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like time to observe ordinary people's lives. I think we have just

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carried on some of that tradition, which is trying to turn an ordinary

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life into something theatrical, and have a bit of fun. They are closing

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the Kinks pub in Muswell Hill. Mr angry at the back here, don't get

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him going! He is absolutely right. Pubs are part of our community, get

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out there and save our pubs! APPLAUSE

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Well said, thank you so much for being a fantastic landlord for us.

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Madness' one-day festival, House of Common is on the bank holiday in

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August, the 29th. We asked you to send us pictures of you in the pub,

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and you have done it! I like this one, this lot are drinking in the

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red Lion in Shropshire. He is missing, where did he go? The golden

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rule in Cumbria, and finally, Brydon is watching us there. Now it is time

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to head back over to Helen, who has this massive UK map to hear some

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more of your stories. Thank you. I have picked out a

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selection which show some of the things you can do to protect your

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pub. The first one is the Maybush in Essex, and when they're pub was put

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up a sale, locals applied to have it listed as a Asset of Community

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Value, or a CD. This gives a community Group 6 months to try to

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raise the money to buy their pub. In this case, the developers were put

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off, the community bought their pub, and it had its official opening last

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weekend. However, critics say that an ACV isn't a complete answer,

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owners can reject a bid from locals and sell to a developer if they can

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get planning permission. That happened at the Tumbledown Dick in

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Farmborough, Danny in red on our map. The community got it listed as

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an ACV, but it was still converted into a McDonald's. Now let's take a

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look at the Haydn cross here in the Black Country, which we have marked

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on our map. Tim Howard ski has led the campaign against plans to build

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a committee supermarket on the car park of the pub. Building a store on

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the car park and demolishing the beer garden will basically make the

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pub on viable. It needs to remain as it is with its car park and beer

:28:23.:28:26.

garden. It is a busy pub with its own football team, three darts

:28:27.:28:32.

teams, a quiz night, food, parties, weddings, wakes. It is a very busy

:28:33.:28:37.

pub and we needed to stay as it is. What is the present position? Our

:28:38.:28:42.

local council rejected the most recent planning application, which

:28:43.:28:47.

was rejected overwhelmingly in November, and the landowner has

:28:48.:28:51.

until the 23rd of May to appeal, so we are ready if indeed they do. If

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you are trying to save your local from development, please make sure

:28:56.:28:59.

that you get as many objections as you can posted on the planning

:29:00.:29:02.

application on the council's website. This encourages councils to

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hear applications at a planning committee where your voice can be

:29:06.:29:09.

heard rather than it being decided behind closed doors. Also with me

:29:10.:29:14.

here is Beckford anglers rest in Derbyshire. Not only did you get

:29:15.:29:20.

your pub and ACV status, you save the last pub in the village. The

:29:21.:29:24.

community bought it, which is a feat in itself. During the two years of

:29:25.:29:30.

our campaign, it became clear that the post office in the village was

:29:31.:29:34.

also at risk, and the village said very clearly, we want to protect the

:29:35.:29:37.

post office as well, so we brought it into the mix, made it part of our

:29:38.:29:42.

plans, and we now have a pub, post office and a daytime cafe all under

:29:43.:29:47.

the same roof. We have activities going on every single day, so

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tonight is pie and quiz night. You are missing that? I am, to be here

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tonight! APPLAUSE

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David Richard will be putting the final touches to the quiz as we

:30:02.:30:05.

speak, and Adam will be putting out his amazing pies. We are not

:30:06.:30:09.

stopping there, we have just got a grant from the Power to Changed to

:30:10.:30:13.

look at what we can do with the upstairs of the building, so we have

:30:14.:30:17.

plans to develop and build further on our community hub. You are an

:30:18.:30:19.

amazing lady! APPLAUSE

:30:20.:30:24.

We are not just talking country pubs here. Warren is from the bevy, which

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I think I'm right in saying is the first community owned pub on a

:30:32.:30:35.

council estate, isn't it? You've added a lot of support and

:30:36.:30:38.

enthusiasm for it, but it wasn't always easy, was it? The pub had a

:30:39.:30:43.

troubled history and was closed for five years, so it took us five years

:30:44.:30:50.

of raising money to finally open, and we have been in 18 months. You

:30:51.:30:54.

have to be more than a pub to survive, so we have friends club, a

:30:55.:31:00.

senior club, a repair cafe, disability groups, running club,

:31:01.:31:05.

community choir, so many different things going on. Say you are ready a

:31:06.:31:09.

proper community pub, supporting people in your area? It is about

:31:10.:31:13.

bringing people together, creating jobs, working with local schools so

:31:14.:31:16.

they have apprenticeships, putting the heart back in the community,

:31:17.:31:20.

that is why our vicar always said, this is father John. Raise a glass

:31:21.:31:25.

to father John! Finally with us in the corner, Jack is landlord of the

:31:26.:31:31.

Queens head in London's East End, and you are trying to buy your pub

:31:32.:31:33.

at the moment. And we had a stroke of luck, the

:31:34.:31:44.

Queen's Head, 180 years old, the most historic pub in the East End

:31:45.:31:51.

bar none had been in trouble until my partner and I saved it and now

:31:52.:31:55.

the people who owned it decided to sell it to us and with the help of

:31:56.:32:00.

the Plunkett Foundation and architectural Heritage fund and

:32:01.:32:04.

local community we are hoping to buy it, but anybody with an interest in

:32:05.:32:08.

the history of London should get down there with their cheque-book.

:32:09.:32:17.

One lady who would be interested in your story is the Queen Mother. She

:32:18.:32:22.

has visited the pub twice, once when she was courting the King at the

:32:23.:32:27.

time, during the Blitz 's, and three times, the Queen Mother has been

:32:28.:32:32.

there, the only pub royalty has visited in the East End. You are not

:32:33.:32:39.

there. I was not even born! With 27 pubs closing every week, communities

:32:40.:32:46.

cannot always step in that funds are available and the government has

:32:47.:32:50.

announced 3.6 million over the next two years you can apply to for

:32:51.:32:55.

grants so if you would like to save your pub there is information on the

:32:56.:32:59.

website. Legislation is different depending on whether you are in

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Scotland, England, Wales or Northern Ireland. Thanks to my guests.

:33:05.:33:12.

Inspiring stories. Thank you. I would like to try one of Adam's

:33:13.:33:21.

amazing pies. The problem of pubs closing is so acute, the government

:33:22.:33:25.

has opened its own fund to help community campaigns. It has

:33:26.:33:32.

appointed a pub referee, Paul Newby, to sort out disputes. Heller reckons

:33:33.:33:37.

you have a tough job on your hands. Pub land Lord Dave is a good

:33:38.:33:48.

listener. He advises tenants in dispute with the companies who own

:33:49.:33:52.

their pubs, the so-called pubcos. I do not want anybody to be where I

:33:53.:34:00.

was five years ago. And if I can help people to avoid that, I will.

:34:01.:34:08.

Before moving to the Boat, he spent five years at another Derbyshire pub

:34:09.:34:13.

as a pubco tenant but left with mounting debts that would bankrupt

:34:14.:34:18.

him. You are facing bankruptcy, all of the emotional impact it has. You

:34:19.:34:29.

feel you have failed your family. The pubco who owned this pub said

:34:30.:34:37.

the dispute with them is long since settled and in no way representative

:34:38.:34:42.

of their current business model. In most talented pubs owned by pubcos

:34:43.:34:49.

breweries the landlords have to buy the beer from them at fixed higher

:34:50.:34:55.

prices. Unlike the rising Sun, the Boat is a free house and Dave can

:34:56.:35:01.

buy his drink wherever he wants. Here a pint of Pedigree sells for

:35:02.:35:10.

around ?3. As free of tied tenant he gets ?2 profit. If he were tied and

:35:11.:35:16.

Hatton by the beer from the company he would pay 80p per pint more. --

:35:17.:35:24.

had to buy the beer. He has negotiated on behalf of 50 other

:35:25.:35:32.

unhappy pubco tenants. It is a purely one-sided agreement. Quite

:35:33.:35:43.

often we can get results for them. Working with pubcos and breweries

:35:44.:35:49.

works well for many tenants, but in 2011, MPs on the business

:35:50.:35:51.

innovations and skills Select Committee concluded the beer tie and

:35:52.:36:00.

high rents were closing pubs. The industry said it would change, yet

:36:01.:36:05.

in 2014, the Campaign for Real Ale said the odds were still stacked

:36:06.:36:09.

against tenants. There was an inequality between the way the

:36:10.:36:15.

pubcos were acting towards tenants, put simply they were seeking to make

:36:16.:36:19.

too much money from the relationship in our opinion and maintaining

:36:20.:36:25.

tenants offered in a position of poverty, frankly. Until 2005, this

:36:26.:36:34.

man worked for pubcos. While no longer employed by pubcos, he does

:36:35.:36:39.

not want to be identified because he still works in the hospitality

:36:40.:36:43.

industry and fears for his employment. He says a rapid turnover

:36:44.:36:49.

in tenants was simply accepted. The tenants were cannon fodder. If

:36:50.:36:54.

landlords did a good job and were successful, after three years the

:36:55.:36:58.

red with the increased and that was when problems would begin. Landlords

:36:59.:37:02.

would find it almost impossible to make a living. This is a

:37:03.:37:09.

confidential online forum, where landlords can seek advice and

:37:10.:37:12.

support from each other. There are hundreds of stories of struggling

:37:13.:37:19.

tied tenants. Pubcos say it is simply not in their interests to see

:37:20.:37:26.

tenants struggle. Bridget Simons heads the British beer and Pub

:37:27.:37:32.

association. The pub tie is a low-cost entry into running your own

:37:33.:37:38.

business and is a partnership with the pub company who will support you

:37:39.:37:42.

and provide capital investment, about 200 million a year from our

:37:43.:37:47.

companies, and they want you to succeed. A new law coming in, the

:37:48.:37:53.

Pubs Code, it is aimed at ensuring tied tenants get a fairer deal. It

:37:54.:37:58.

means as agreements come up for review tenants will be able to leave

:37:59.:38:03.

the beer tie and negotiate a fair market rent. How have pubcos

:38:04.:38:09.

responded to the legislation? We will respect the legislation. We do

:38:10.:38:12.

not like statutory legislation but we look forward to working with the

:38:13.:38:17.

adjudicator. We have a voluntary system and we will build on that and

:38:18.:38:24.

we accept it. A decade after it was mooted, will the Pubs Code mean

:38:25.:38:28.

tenants can pull pints without one hand tied behind their back?

:38:29.:38:37.

Paul Newby is the newly appointed Pubs Adjudicator and I am informed

:38:38.:38:41.

your drink of choice is a pint of foaming ale. Slightly short!

:38:42.:38:55.

But I got it to foam. We should stress that many tied pubs operate

:38:56.:39:00.

without disputes and some do not work because they are not well

:39:01.:39:04.

managed. But a report commissioned by the Campaign for Real Ale found

:39:05.:39:14.

20% of tight licensees earned 50,000 -- ?15,000 or more a year. What is

:39:15.:39:22.

your message to people? Tenants work long hours and should be able to

:39:23.:39:26.

earn a decent living. That must be clear. What is the code about? It is

:39:27.:39:34.

to create a better and fairer relationship, to look at any

:39:35.:39:41.

imbalances in the big pubco, small tenant relationship and deal with

:39:42.:39:47.

those. I suppose in a nutshell where they exist, it is to achieve a level

:39:48.:39:53.

playing field and where necessary to provide protection for tenants. And

:39:54.:39:59.

a role that is well needed. I know landlords who have fallen victim of

:40:00.:40:04.

this. The stories we heard in the film. How strict can you be with the

:40:05.:40:09.

Pub companies? How can you be sure they will not recoup the money in

:40:10.:40:15.

other ways? The code addresses this issue in a number of ways. Let's be

:40:16.:40:22.

clear. We do not know how they might come at us but if there are a unfair

:40:23.:40:26.

practices the code is meant to deal with it. How strict can it be? It

:40:27.:40:30.

can be very strict if it needs to be. There are parts of the trade

:40:31.:40:36.

where the relationship is quite good but there are parts that are not and

:40:37.:40:41.

I want to ensure the parts that are not properly looked at. Some may say

:40:42.:40:49.

that your CV suggests, your relationship with pub companies,

:40:50.:40:53.

that you would find it hard to be impartial in this case, how will you

:40:54.:40:59.

take that forward? I am concerned about these comments. I do not want

:41:00.:41:04.

them to get in the way of the code. You used to sell properties that

:41:05.:41:09.

were pubs to be developed? Let me be clear about that. I have huge

:41:10.:41:15.

respect from the people who have worked so hard to get this code and

:41:16.:41:19.

I want nothing that will get in the way of that. I need to work on this

:41:20.:41:26.

area. I have never worked for a pub company but in my last role I worked

:41:27.:41:31.

for a company that gave advice to pub companies. I also gave advice to

:41:32.:41:36.

tenants, as well. It is good you know how both sides work. I am

:41:37.:41:42.

coming from this in the round and am able to look at it from all sides

:41:43.:41:46.

and I want to use that to implement the code. How worthwhile are these

:41:47.:41:52.

campaigns we are hearing about tonight? This proves it, doesn't it?

:41:53.:41:58.

The attention has been achieved, it is fantastic. The pub is an

:41:59.:42:05.

important part of British life, history, culture, social lives, we

:42:06.:42:10.

want to see them thrive and the code is an important part in the pubco

:42:11.:42:17.

tenant market, it is an important part of helping them survive. You

:42:18.:42:23.

think the number, 27 a week, will be different next year? Let's hope so.

:42:24.:42:27.

Otherwise we will get you back and find out! As well as the foaming

:42:28.:42:37.

ale, you have to have a few nibbles. We have pork scratchings, pickled

:42:38.:42:43.

eggs. How are the sausage rolls? Good? They do not look particularly

:42:44.:42:49.

appealing. I am sure Ricky's spaghetti he has been cooking with

:42:50.:42:54.

Dire Straits' bassist John Illsley will be nicer.

:42:55.:42:57.

Seafood at the seaside is a winner but today we are leaving the rocks

:42:58.:43:01.

behind because we are cooking for a rock star. John Illsley is known as

:43:02.:43:07.

the bass player and co-founder of Dire Straits. After international

:43:08.:43:14.

success in the 80s he still makes music, but he is a man of many

:43:15.:43:18.

passions and one of them is food. Hello, John. Nice to meet you. You

:43:19.:43:24.

look like you have the vegetables. We should go and cook. Come and meet

:43:25.:43:29.

the family. He moved to Hampshire at the height of his fame with his wife

:43:30.:43:34.

and four children. His eldest James has left home but his daughters and

:43:35.:43:39.

other Sun are often around, especially when food is on offer.

:43:40.:43:46.

Seafood, is it a family favourite? Very much so. We live by the coast

:43:47.:43:51.

and it is available locally. What are we making today? We will have

:43:52.:43:57.

spaghetti with clams from down the road. Garlic from the Isle of Wight,

:43:58.:44:03.

tomatoes, onions, Chile and white wine, fresh parsley. Simple. Where

:44:04.:44:10.

did the passion for food come from? From my parents, because they grew

:44:11.:44:15.

vegetables in the garden. I grew up with a healthy diet which is what we

:44:16.:44:20.

try to pass on to our kids. Normally we get everyone involved in doing

:44:21.:44:24.

this but there is not enough room around the table. That is the prep

:44:25.:44:29.

done. It is time for a pint. I like the sound of that. The philosophy of

:44:30.:44:35.

choosing local is not limited to food. After moving here, John bought

:44:36.:44:40.

his local, the perfect place for that pike. What made you by your own

:44:41.:44:47.

pub? A slight moment of madness. I loved the way it looked and thought

:44:48.:44:53.

if I did not buy it, somebody would come along and take the character

:44:54.:44:57.

away. I was given instructions to leave the public bar as it is. It

:44:58.:45:03.

has been the same for 20 years. You feel relaxed. Completely. It is a

:45:04.:45:09.

safe haven. At the peak of their success the music of Dire Straits

:45:10.:45:12.

was known all over the world. We ended up quickly feeling we had

:45:13.:45:21.

something that was unique. It was very exciting. In a sense, it is

:45:22.:45:27.

every schoolboy's dream to be in a rock 'n' roll band and buy a pub.

:45:28.:45:36.

When Mark and I decided to call it a day in 92, 93, I took up painting

:45:37.:45:40.

and started painting here pretty much full time. A few years into his

:45:41.:45:46.

new life, John was diagnosed with leukaemia. It is a shock when

:45:47.:45:50.

someone tells you when you are 50 you have ten years to live. We beat

:45:51.:45:55.

the odds, anyway, but I kept it under wraps and I kept it from the

:45:56.:46:01.

children. I had a transplant in 2011. Five years, I am clear now.

:46:02.:46:06.

All is well. John and I have been chewing the fat while the family

:46:07.:46:11.

have been cooking the lunch. How is it going? Look at this. This is

:46:12.:46:14.

perfect. And it's looking good. You guys all

:46:15.:46:28.

enjoy cooking? Efan Atlee, especially on weekends when we are

:46:29.:46:34.

all at home together. -- definitely. And who is the best cook? Let's not

:46:35.:46:44.

start an argument. D is a really good baker, so she does the Brownies

:46:45.:46:48.

and cakes. Alongside his love of food, John's musical journey

:46:49.:46:51.

continues, but life is a far cry from his rock 'n' roll days, and he

:46:52.:46:57.

spends much less time on the road. I like my life down here, I like the

:46:58.:47:01.

pub, the food, my family, and I don't want to put any of that at

:47:02.:47:06.

risk. Treat every new day as a present.

:47:07.:47:12.

That was absolutely beautiful. Thank you all very much for having me.

:47:13.:47:16.

It's a pleasure. Nice to see you. Thank you, Ricky. Dire Straits was

:47:17.:47:26.

my first album. I shouldn't say that to you. I heard a couple of numbers,

:47:27.:47:32.

but they were very long, weren't they? We have some stories to add to

:47:33.:47:37.

the map, I am slightly panicking, because my geography is rubbish.

:47:38.:47:43.

South Northamptonshire, the end was on the brink of closing, bought back

:47:44.:47:50.

by Margaret and John. It is somewhere around here, thereabouts.

:47:51.:47:56.

Excellent, what next? Villagers have saved this from being turned into

:47:57.:48:00.

residential accommodation, and it is in North Devon. Show the picture,

:48:01.:48:09.

and I will pop that there, apologies to the Molesworth arms if I have got

:48:10.:48:15.

that wrong. And this is just come through. Our local pub, the oak and

:48:16.:48:28.

Derwin is in the village of... Alex, please, you should be doing this!

:48:29.:48:32.

Village in Wales, it has been rescued by locals who now run it as

:48:33.:48:38.

a not-for-profit business employing local people. North Wales. Let's put

:48:39.:48:43.

it there so it doesn't squeeze anything out. And the weather here,

:48:44.:48:50.

there would be a Terol bit of rain coming down from Scotland...

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LAUGHTER Thank you so much that everybody who

:48:53.:48:59.

has written in to tell us about your pub.

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Originally thought that Suggs should be the Barman at the Queen Vic, but

:49:02.:49:06.

I think he should be doing the weather! I'm not sure about his

:49:07.:49:14.

Welsh pronunciation! We are joined by Rachel from the British skittles

:49:15.:49:18.

championship. You have been organising matches for 20 years now.

:49:19.:49:25.

22, actually. So what got you into it? Have a go, come on. As a family,

:49:26.:49:33.

we just loved playing skittles, and it was one of those things. It just

:49:34.:49:39.

brings everybody together. And quite a few still have alleys like this.

:49:40.:49:47.

APPLAUSE There are hundreds of skittle alleys

:49:48.:49:51.

all across South Wales, the South of England, the West Country. It is a

:49:52.:49:56.

massive pub sport, fantastic. And you were saying these weekends can

:49:57.:50:01.

get quite lively. Very lively, we take thousands of people every year

:50:02.:50:05.

on our Skrtel weekends, and it is great fun. Tell us about the Dorset

:50:06.:50:15.

flop. You are going to do it in just a moment. I have been practising it.

:50:16.:50:20.

Basically you have the upper hand it straight bowling, which is very

:50:21.:50:23.

popular, and in Dorset they have much bigger balls...

:50:24.:50:26.

LAUGHTER You are going to have to rephrase

:50:27.:50:31.

that. They do! They have bigger balls in Dorset! So what they

:50:32.:50:36.

discovered is a way of throwing it which you actually launch yourself

:50:37.:50:40.

down the alley, and it is very unique, you have to see it. They get

:50:41.:50:44.

into this position because they have bigger balls? But the women do it

:50:45.:50:49.

much better. I apologised ever be in Dorset, this is my way of doing it.

:50:50.:50:53.

I hope I get it right now. No pressure! And there it is!

:50:54.:51:03.

APPLAUSE Wesley, how do British pubs compared

:51:04.:51:07.

to American bars? The beer is a little warmer here. Our beer is ice

:51:08.:51:16.

cold. Have a go, then. Double hands, that is it. Here is Mike in the

:51:17.:51:22.

meantime with a British bird that could do with a bit more being heard

:51:23.:51:30.

of after tonight! He will be puffing after that!

:51:31.:51:37.

For the last decade, the population of puffins in Northern Ireland has

:51:38.:51:44.

been in decline. Usually increase in predators, the population has halved

:51:45.:51:46.

since 1999, with numbers still falling. So, to make sure puffins

:51:47.:51:53.

continue to successfully breed here, an ambitious project was started

:51:54.:51:58.

four years ago. I'm on the lighthouse Island, part of the

:51:59.:52:01.

Copeland Islands, home to a whole variety of sea birds, including Manx

:52:02.:52:05.

shearwater, black guillemots and arctic tern is. But until recently,

:52:06.:52:12.

no puffins. The Copelands lie around two miles off the coast of Northern

:52:13.:52:18.

Ireland in the Irish Sea, but the puffins have been bypassing these

:52:19.:52:20.

islands as they journey to other breeding sites. However,

:52:21.:52:24.

conservationists are now trying to encourage them to stop here. The

:52:25.:52:29.

British trust for ornithology is in charge of the project. The real

:52:30.:52:34.

problem with puffins is they are so faithful to their breeding site, it

:52:35.:52:38.

is hard to get them to spread. They are really loyal to the site they

:52:39.:52:41.

were born in, and so we have to try to persuade them that Copeland

:52:42.:52:46.

Islands are really good place for to breed. Why are the Copelands

:52:47.:52:51.

potentially so good for puffins? There are no to wrest real

:52:52.:52:54.

predators, so we don't have wrapped, cats, ferrets, mink, Foxes, things

:52:55.:53:02.

that eat ground nesting sea birds. A secluded, safe place the sea birds

:53:03.:53:07.

to breed. Also another couple of reasons why the Copelands should be

:53:08.:53:13.

good for puffins, the sea is rich in sand eels, their favourite food.

:53:14.:53:17.

Plenty of potential for accommodation here, the island has

:53:18.:53:22.

already rabbits and Manx shearwater who breed underground, so any vacant

:53:23.:53:26.

holes like this, perfect for the puffins to move in. It is the young

:53:27.:53:30.

adolescents that Shane and his team want to encourage here, due to not

:53:31.:53:35.

yet been completely loyal to their birth site, as their priority is

:53:36.:53:38.

looking for a mate. So to attract them onto the island, some highly

:53:39.:53:42.

experimental ideas have been put in place. Hopefully to convince passing

:53:43.:53:46.

puffins that puffins are already here.

:53:47.:53:52.

This is brilliant. I think it is termed a puffin two pronged attack.

:53:53.:54:00.

One is a sound system playing puffin calls. That is the sound of a

:54:01.:54:06.

contented puffin? I have to assume it is, because it works, the puffins

:54:07.:54:10.

came almost as soon as we put the sound out. And we also have decoyed

:54:11.:54:15.

puffins, and we have put these around the slope, around us here, so

:54:16.:54:20.

that with the sound and the decoys, those adolescent puffins that have

:54:21.:54:24.

been seen on the water are being attracted, and think that this is a

:54:25.:54:31.

puffin colony already. Within a week of the project starting, eight

:54:32.:54:34.

puffins were recorded on the island. And now there are thought to be

:54:35.:54:39.

around 80. But the real success will be when they finally breed here. As

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they lay only one egg Beere, deep in a burrow, it is hard to tell if they

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have bred or not. But there are signs to look out for. I could sit

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here and watch puffins all day long. But what I want to know is, are they

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breeding? We have had some cracking courtship displays. The precursor to

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mating. Absolutely. And in the last couple of days, we have seen them

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coming ashore with food in their bills. Which is incontrovertible

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proof there are checks? Absolutely. They will not bring food ashore

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unless they are coming to feed chicks, so that is proof. It is

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fantastic. We are only at the very beginning, we have lots of puffins,

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but only one or two pairs breeding. It is taken us for years to get this

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far, but it is the start of a new colony, and hopefully over the next

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number of years, that colony will grow and grow, because we have got

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them now. It is fantastic. I think they are delighted that the

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puffins are coming back this year to Copeland, too.

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You have agonised huge rings, you have homes to go to, go away! It is

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not closing time, but it is almost the end of the show. Thank you to

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all of our guests, and everyone who has got in touch to tell us about

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their pubs. And of course the best way to support your local pub is to

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use it. Martin's Place, -- play, Hobson's Choice is an soon, and

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Suggs is Festival. We will be back tomorrow with Jose

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Cubero is. But now, singing their new song, the Lumineers!

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# I got a new girlfriend here

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# And you can't see past my blindness

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# You've been on my mind, girl, since the flood

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# Heaven help the fool who falls in love

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# You got big plans and you gotta move

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# You've been on my mind, girl, like a drug

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# Heaven help a fool who falls in love

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# You've been on my mind, girl, since the flood

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# Heaven help a fool who falls in love

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# You've been on my mind, girl, like a drug

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# Heaven help a fool who falls in love #

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APPLAUSE CHEERING

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