11/05/2017 The One Show

Hello and welcome to the One Show with Matt Baker.

And there's magic in the air tonight!

After more than 40 years together our guests have the whole

One is loud, tall and opinionated, while the other is small,

So we're halfway there given we're a talk show!

Please welcome master magicians - Penn and Teller!

APPLAUSE Nice to see you.

You have got a long walk now. You have to go all the way round the

back. I wasn't going to walk in front of you. Make yourself at home.

One of the interesting things is Teller, you never talk. Not in the

performance. He apps like crazy when we are not working. How did that

come about? Teller worked his way through college doing magic at frat

parties. I had forgotten what a ring of Dante's hell that was. He founded

the stopped talking people grew tired of heckling him. I was working

at the same kind of rough environments but I was louder and

more aggressive. We were two separate acts on the same bill. We

had to keep the integrity of those acts so we could do our solo

material and we stuck with that. It was more Teller's my idea. I am not

really part of it at all. You are doing 46 weeks a year in Vegas. That

is a lot of talking. What happens when you do get a little bit horse

or you lose your voice? You kind of power through it for the most part.

You have never lost your voice at all? I have but I pump up the mics

and I go through in a whisper, go a little growly or find one that I can

hit and do that for the show. I can get the information out. And my

voice I spend a lot of time yelling outside so I turned the vocal cords

to lead the, I am pretty tough. You will be doing some magic for us

later on. Penn and Teller are not the only from edible Americans in

our studio tonight. Great to be here, by the way, Penn and Teller, I

can do magic, by the way. I made the head of the FBI disappear!

Impressionist and political comedian Matt Forde is here with his views on

the news a little bit later. First though we all love to moan about how

much sleep we are getting or not as case may be. A few weeks ago we

asked you at home to try out some techniques which might help. It is a

bit of a passion project for self-confessed insomniacs Michael

Mosley. Sleeping, we are told we should

spend a third of our lives doing it, but we don't, making Britain one of

the most sleep deprived countries in the world. I'm convinced we are

sleepwalking into a sleep crisis. I hardly get any sleep at all. The

Internet videos. You think one more video and then you watch 15. I

always have thoughts running around my head. The lack of sleep can be

dangerous. It is associated with type two diabetes and obesity. I'm

going to turn guinea pig to see what is causing my insomnia and if

anything out there can help. I have asked the GP to find me three sleep

deprived patients to try these treatments on. I will also be doing

one of them. I have always been about sleep all my life. I think it

runs the family. I have difficulty getting my body clock back after a

night shift. I have not slept properly for 20 years. Top of the

list is mindfulness. Is about focusing on breathing and what is

happening there and then. You have a hot bath or shower about an hour

before bed. It is a bit of an old wives tale. Kiwi fruit. What I have

here is the prebiotic. It is a bit like fertiliser for the bacteria in

my gut. I'm not sure anything is working.

Good night. Michael is here now. This captured the imagination when

you were on last time. As a self-confessed insomniac yourself,

you have tried a lot of different stuff, please tell us you have come

up with a solution and you can now get to sleep? We came up with a lot

of different things. It was interesting asking the audience to

take part. 361 people did log on and they each chose something. These are

the six things you asked people to do. ... The one we chose was

mindfulness. I do some deep breathing techniques. You are a fan

of the breathing? It is breathing, holds a two seconds and then let the

air go out. For me it was like the sound of the waves, that sort of

rhythm. That one was popular and effective. The warm bath, the

avoiding screens, the avoiding alcohol and the morning walk, about

50 people did each one of those and broadly speaking 50% of them got

benefit and half not so much. The one which didn't go down too well

was the kiwi fruit. Not a lot of people did it and it wasn't very

effective. Although there was a study done in Taiwan so maybe the

Taiwanese are different. They seem to get a benefit. Also, 40 pounds of

turkey meat will help. We talked about Turkey last time. Their brains

are small. 40 pounds is the cut-off. Michael, we have lots of e-mails

from our viewers. Joe wants to know how effective the blue light filters

on phones and other electronic devices are? Not really. I spoke to

the experts. They said all the manufacturers are busy churning out

these things but the problem if it is engaging with the technology

which keeps you awake. You are thinking about it and you are

engaged in social stuff. You have got to find a really boring book or

something like that, that is what you need. Nothing like a really

boring economics book. Rob wants to know why he struggles to get to

sleep at the week but at the weekend he can sleep for two days. Does a

classic stress response. He is worried about his work presumably so

he wakes up all the time and thinks about it. One bit of advice is you

turn the clock away so you do not look at it but I find if I have an

early-morning flight I keep waking up and I keep having those

stress-related dreams. Or he can do is switch away the clock or perhaps

changes work. You were saying about camping at a weekend and how that

can help? They did a study where they found if you went camping for

the weekend you were exposed to four or five times more morning light

which seems to be really good for you and they found people slept on

average for one hour to two hours for the following week. One of the

big problems with sleep is the fact we have lit up the night. And we

have -- we do not get up with the dawn. And we sleep in one go instead

of four at the limit hours and then another go which is the case of

primitive cultures. And what about jet lag? I wanted to not turn around

on this trip but Piers Morgan wants me to get up early. He fights with

everybody but he should not be destroying my sleep! Thank you,

Michael, The Truth About Sleep is an BBC One tonight at nine o'clock. One

of the main thing is the papers picked up on after our interview

with Theresa May and her husband was about divvying up the household

chores. I get to decide when I take the bins out, not if I take the bins

out. There are boy jobs and build jobs. To those traditional

stereotypes still have a place in the modern household? Tommy is on

the case. Matt, would you be a laugh and change the light bulb?

In my house my wife does the laundry, I do the cooking, she does

the washing up and I clean the oven. Is there a thing as typical boy jobs

and build jobs. His tasks and your tasks?... We share everything.

Except the washing. I put the wrong colours in with the white. It is not

that it is a woman's drop, it is just that you are rubbish at it. I

do not like to do it. Is it rubbish that there are different jobs in the

home? I think it should be shared. Equal opportunities. I was on my

own, I had to look after myself. I can cook, clean and wash, do

everything. Is that how it should be? Yes. Theresa May was white. What

is a woman's drop? Cleaning house, cooking, washing, children. What is

the men's drop? Drink, money, home. Show me the money! May be the

hoovering because that is heavy work. Women do better. If you both

go out to work you have got to share the tasks. I do not think it is

therefore the woman to do everything. Housework, washing,

cooking, cleaning. That is all you? It is all me. At works. We help each

other. Are you married? 60 years. Is there a thing as men's jobs and

women's jobs at home? No. We share it together. That is why we have

been married for 60 years. Thank you for sorting the light

bulb! No problem. Comedian Matt Forde is with us. He will be with us

in the run-up to the election. What have you made of the boy and girl

drop things? I think it was interesting, the boy 's job is

taking at the bins and the girl's job is bringing back fox hunting. It

was a bit of a nightmare for Labour yesterday with the leak of their

manifesto. What did you make of that? The police said it was leaked

by someone who did not want Jeremy Corbyn to be prime ministers said

they have narrowed it down to a few million suspects. There will be some

policies which will interest a lot of people. There are some ideas like

me nationalising the roadways and renationalising energy and Royal

Mail. These are big ticket ideas which poll well with conservative

voters as well. Is it fully costed? It is fully costed which is the good

news but the bad news is Diane Abbott did the maths.

LAUGHTER You have been digging deeper and you

have noticed some musical tones? It is a very detailed manifesto. There

is help for the music industry and a lot of people say it is because

Corbyn has friends in the music industry including Stormzy and

people say he will be tough on crime and the causes of crime. Many people

have said they have had a presidential style campaign --

grime. The Tory name is very small compared to hers. They are selling

it about with her relationship with the European Union, strengthening

her personal hand in the Brexit deal. What is also interesting on

the other side, Jeremy Corbyn has been saying things which sound like

Donald Trump. This is what Corbyn said but it sounds trump like. A day

of reckoning for those who thought they could get away with as

stripping our industry, and ripping off consumers. We have four weeks to

ruin their party. I do not know what he will say next. Karl Marx seems to

have made an appearance this week quite surprisingly? You may remember

in 2015 Ed Miliband said he wanted to freeze energy prices which polled

well with the public. The Tories said it was Marxism and arch common

is. Now the Tories are saying they would go further, not just freeze

prices but cap prices into the long-term so it turns out actually

it was not Marxist enough for the Tories. A lot of people have said

Theresa May is turning into Ed Miliband but the crucial thing, the

knack Ed Miliband had was if he was asked a question he did not like he

would ask himself a new question. What colour is the sky? Matt, if you

are asking me if I have a plan for the economy, I have. And you have

found an interesting map recently. This is interesting, in an age where

Matt and grass are shared online, this is a map of the UK. You may

think that is about likely election results. Actually, breathed a sigh

of relief. It is from the Woodland Trust and it is about how many

bluebells have been spotted. If you do look closely at it it would be

ridiculous because the Tories will do a lot better than that. Thank

you, Matt! You can catch more of that on an spun with Matt Forde

every Wednesday and Sunday in the run-up to the election on Dave. We

always like to give you something new on this show so a magician with

a concrete block on his head should do the trick. Let's hear it

everybody for Penn and Teller! I need someone from the audience,

what is your name? Natalia. Thank you. I am Penn, this is Teller. You

are wearing very attractive and fashionable glasses, do you wear

them for the fashion or are they corrective? They are prescribed. Are

you near-sighted or far-sighted? I am far-sighted. Let me take a look

at them... They are beautiful. Really nice, and so clean! It's

astonishing... My glasses often look like I clean them off with a beef

patty. These are beautiful. Can you see me OK? I will put these here.

With you in front of the audience, they trust me differently. If I

reached into my pocket and got a billiard ball, and I say that this

is a billiard ball, some people would not believe me, they sell

billiard ball shells, and collapsible ones, but also because I

am a liar. Let me prove that this is a solid billiard ball. With you

here, I do not have to do that but I do it because I know it is Teller

and it brings me joy! Make sure that is a real billiard ball, Natalia. Is

it real? It is. Is this a real magic wand? Who cares! It is just dour

covered with adhesive paper. Can you see OK? I am going to tap this three

times, and on the third time it will vanish. Watch this carefully... One,

two, three... LAUGHTER CLAPPING

Did that take two seconds? If you have two seconds of full body

wonder? And then collapsing into abject disappointment? That's all I

get... Fortunately, for you and everyone else, we are two person

performing ensemble. Teller is really good at this. Stand back and

watch all of this... I will give you your glasses, hang on... Natalia!

One of two things has happened... Either your glasses have magically

vanished, or I no longer care about breaking them... Watch this... This

might be a little more... Magical here. I'm going to hit him with a

hammer... Natalia, I don't expect you to be able to see from over

there... Will you go over there and pick those glasses off his head? And

put them on your own... CLAPPING Are they your glasses? Clean them

off... CLAPPING Absolutely superb! Amazing.

Brilliant. How do you follow that? With just an illusion?

# Prince Charming... In the early 80s, a whole raft of eye-catching

new bands were coming from the club scene and taking the charts by

storm. It was as much about the image as it was about the music. One

of the frontrunners was Ligeon and his band, Imagination. In 1982, his

son Just an Elution became a big hit. It was years of hard work to

create the package... It always stood out, the sound of the music

and the voices, and how we wrote the songs. We wanted to ensure that

visually it was something that we would remember. To his best friend

from school, the young man was always headed for success... He just

had that flair. You heard him before you saw him! Whether it was singing

at the top of his voice or with his ghetto blaster... Leee loves to

arrive. Was he called Leee back then? No, he was Leslie McGregor, I

called John, but then this triple T came about... What does it stand

for? Extra exciting energy, or erotic, it depends on the day! When

Leee recruited his bassist and drummer to form the band

Imagination, Leee was there to share in their success... People would

think I was part of the band, we would go to these swanky places, but

who am I to say that I am not? He's got a brilliant voice, not many

people can sing falsetto like that. Undoubtably they did a Top of the

Pops performance that stuck in people's heads, sales catapulted.

You had dreamt of this as a kid. The sound was unique, because the sound

was driven by synthesised bass. There are no guitars, but a lot of

riffs on the track, but they are played by a synthesiser.

Simple, not cluttered. The tempo was much slower. Their success meant

that Leee and their Patrice 's were under pressure to get their second

album out straightaway. Suddenly, it changes. It is a job, it is work.

And it is an industry. We've had a top album but now we need to start

again from scratch. When will you write that hit song? The hit song

came about because of Leee's new-found cynicism about the music

business. I was disenchanted about things going on in the industry.

Everything you saw, that you thought was real, wasn't. It was

frustrating. You find that life became disillusioned. The pressure

came to a head in the studio when Leee wanted to change is vocal style

on the track and got into an argument with his producers. We were

treading a thin line with what work went essentially pop records, but

were making the dance charts. There was a formula that we wanted to

stick to. Why did you want to change your voice? I love a wreath for

Franklin. I wanted to do her voice. You think, why do I want to change

this? -- Aretha Franklin. My mate was in the studio and said, you need

to take a break. Keep your eyes on the prize, do not get derailed. I

would tell him what he needs to know. Not necessarily what he wanted

to know. Similar to myself, to does the same. I went outside and I

remember clearly, it was a lovely night. It was hot. I went into the

studio and did what I wanted. They go darling, you are fantastic, why

did you do this before! It became one of our biggest hits. Leee may

not wear outrageous costumes any more but today he is creating a

special illusion here in a mirror maze just for the one show...

# Is it really magic in the air? You come into the industry and think,

will it last for ever? Next thing you know, that is it.

# Just an illusion... My friends kept me grounded. 35 years later

they are still there and I think that is what has sustained me. It

shows that not everything is an illusion. Not friendship... STUDIO:

You have got a good falsetto... Thanks! Carry on... He won't do it!

If it has got you grooving, the new album is out on the 9th of June,

called Retropia. Penn and Teller are with us on the sofa! Do you like

songs about magic? No, if I hear magic man by Heart one more time...

Every radio show I go on, they think it is clever! Playing a song from 40

years ago that wasn't that good anyway but has that word in it...

You touched on it at the start of the programme about how things were

when he first got together. A lovely photo here, you been working

together for more than 40 years. When you started out, what was the

style of the show? Our style hasn't changed that much, I think we've got

a bit weird as we've got older. And a little braver, which is dangerous.

We are one of the few acts in show business who are more successful

than we planned. We played for creepy little groups of people. It

gave us a certain kind of humorous where we do not really worry too

much about trying to be exactly popular, we just do what we think is

good, and it's turned out that we have always been presently supplies.

-- is a surprised. 40 years of working together and to do so well,

it is incredible. There must be moments where you have creative

differences, how do you work those out? Creative differences are what

the fun is. We want to fight over every moment of the show but we do

not have personal differences. Creative differences is a euphemism,

it normally means that there are personal differences and calling it

creative differences. You don't spend that much time together? We

spend a lot of time together but not socially. We have our own lives. We

first got together and it was not affection but respect. We wanted to

work together. LAUGHTER It lasted a lot longer than

affection, respect. Is one of you in charge of the technical side of

coming up with new tricks? Teller is the brains, no doubt of that. The

brains would not be the one talking all the time! Very good. You

are bringing your show over to the UK, you will be going up to Glasgow,

for the first time in Scotland. What can people expect? Most people who

do a show in Las Vegas, it is well known and you move there, and you

spend your days golfing and do the same show every night. We do not

like golf, so we are working on new material. Do you? It is almost all

knew from the last time that we played in the UK. We were arguing

about that before. 80%, maybe more. This is stuff that isn't seen on

television. Do you come over with huge crates of stuff? I'm not in

charge of the containers, that is someone else's job. Shipping

containers come across and we send stuff out, we have duplicates that

go out a couple of months in advance, and we have a number of

props that we need to make up for our lack of talent. LAUGHTER

More big things to bring onstage! You say about keeping things fresh,

how? You have new tricks for all of these shows? Yeah, we do it with

brute force, we normally sit down over coffee, but one thing that has

changed, it used to be 20 years ago when we were pitching an idea to one

another, we would pitch things where this will be easy, we can do this

easy, it will work out... Now, we only care about the hard stuff

because we have enough new material to last us until we are dead. We

intend to die in office! Die onstage, literally, for a change.

So, we mostly want to do stuff that is wicked hard, things that others

haven't done before and what we haven't done. And you loved and

hated it almost in the magic world, because often... You give how you do

the tricks away. Which some people in the Magic Circle... It's got an

odd relationship with us. They asked us to do a museum case commemorating

us. We have a picture of it... That is right in their museum. I was the

one that wrote the Paul Daniels obituary for their magazine. We

loved him. Even though we have written that stuff, they will not

let us be members! We are not allowed to be members of a club that

has our stuff in their museum, because they have this hard and fast

rule about giving away magic secrets which is amazing, because defining a

magic secrets so carefully, this would get us out of the Magic

Circle... It is a coven of old men keeping secrets... And on that

note... They just don't like us, we like them! CLAPPING

Tickets are on sale now. Alex is back tomorrow with co-host Michael

Ball. Don't all screen at once but Harry Styles will be performing

outside. Nobody screams at all! Not one person screams! Come on, scream!