16/02/2017 The One Show


16/02/2017

Matt Baker and Angela Scanlon are joined by Mary Berry, to reveal what's next for her in 2017. Plus, Gyles Brandreth investigates why Fanny Cradock left her sons out of her will.


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Hello and welcome to The One Show with Matt Baker.

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Our guest tonight was last on our screens winning

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a National Television Award for Best TV Judge, and it's tough to tell,

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She was quite overcome, she was delighted. She is delighted.

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Shall we see if she's calmed down yet - it's Mary Berry!

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Belated congratulations. It was so unlike me because the children had

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come off the stage just to say hello, if you remember, and the

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little girl said she wanted to meet me and I said that's all over. And

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then when I'd won I had not prepared a speech at all. Well, it was such a

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shock and it is unlike me to be like that but it is so exciting.

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Unbridled joy. I remember watching a clip and you are happily enjoying

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the evening and this, that and the other, like you say, you didn't

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expect. My daughter was beside me and I enjoyed the evening and then

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there was the shock of it and I haven't looked away at the steps

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where to go up and it was very exciting. The award was for me. I

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could take it home. Didn't have to share it with anyone. Is it in the

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kitchen? It is in the kitchen and you don't have to polish it either.

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You must be very proud. Such a wonderful way to round off your Bake

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Off time, when you think back what is your happiest memory? One of the

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most memorable times was when Nadiya won the Bake Off because we had met

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her family before and if you could see the family behind her, her

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little ones, and her husband grinning, she did so well and she

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was so overjoyed and she has been a great ambassador for the programme.

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Yes. Your award and that picture has given us an idea for a call out

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tonight. If you have something to cheer about with as much passion as

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Mary, let's remind ourselves, strike that pose if you can, take a photo

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and send it in along with details of what you are celebrating. That will

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be hard to beat. There are certain subjects

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that always get a huge response from you at home -

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hospital parking charges, And we can definitely

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add bins to that list. So get ready, because we're

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about to show you a council's four-weekly rubbish collection

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scheme. Could you cope if your

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council tried it? Well, Lucy has visited

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residents of Conwy to see I think it's an absolute disgrace.

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You only have to walk around and see the seagulls, there are nappies all

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over the place. We hope they take it, we squashed it down. It is

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ridiculous, by the time we get to the second week our bin is totally

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full. The bins were into today and basically this is what was left

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over. Householders in Conwy in North Wales are part of a council

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experiment. Non-recyclable waste is now

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collected every four weeks instead of every two, often she has too much

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for Herbin. I've tried ringing the council and they say take it to the

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skip. -- tip. Why wouldn't you take it to the tip? It is a 25 Minute

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Drive. The council discovered half of the West but in the bins could

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have been recycled. Cheryl's recycling bins are ended every week

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but sometimes they get full too and with no room in the main Ben Shee

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resorts to burning the excess. Straight in there. Yes. This is the

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antithesis to recycling. But you do recycle? Yes but if it gets too

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full, rather than having it hanging around. This is awful because the

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whole point is reduce, reuse and recycle and this is burning, so you

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are getting nothing back from this, these materials are going to waste,

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nothing is being reclaimed, you are not even using the energy. It is all

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very frustrating. Cheryl's mum lives in sheltered accommodation and she

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is on a more frequent three weekly bin collection but there have still

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been problems. One morning very early in a car came down and the man

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took a load of beanbags out of his boot and was putting them in our

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bins. Fortunately one of the residents gets up very early and she

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told him to put them in his own bin, thank you. The council is aiming to

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save ?500,000 per year through its trial. Disposing of non-recyclable

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waste costs big-money. In Conwy much of it comes here to a landfill site.

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Conwy's total waste disposal bill is ?2.9 million. By not sending

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recycling waste to landfill say they could save over half of that. Not

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everyone is against reduced collections, some even embrace it.

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The unalloyed washes and reuses are nappies for four-month-old brain. He

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uses five or six nappies a day and they get washed every other day. She

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is currently on a three-week bin collection but would happily go to

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four weeks. We have seen how many disposable nappies we were throwing

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away and sending them straight to landfill so we bought a set of cloth

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nappies, the council gave us money towards those, so overall we must

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have saved hundreds of pounds. There is evidence to suggest Conwy's

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trial is producing results. Since it began in September waste from

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non-recyclable bins has dropped by over 1000 tonnes, the councillor who

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oversees the trial says it is a strong indication that the idea

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works. All we are doing is gathering evidence that justifies this new way

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forward which saves massive amounts of taxpayers' money that we can use

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on other services. What do you say to residents who at the moment have

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misgivings and rubbish everywhere? Ring us and we will deal with it.

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Some say we have and don't get the response that is helpful to them so

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they cannot do anything. We have a data tracking system for every phone

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call and e-mail we receive and if there is an incident we will be out

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on the site dealing with it. But to succeed the council needs to

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convince doubters like Cheryl and Margaret. They gamely agreed to talk

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to two mad keen recyclers. Are we buying fruit and veg that is triple

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packed with plastic, or can we buy the same thing with no packaging

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whatsoever? I don't think a lot of people are aware of what can be

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recycled and what can't. I find that some people will get their junk mail

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in plastic covers and they just throw the whole lot in one bin. Got

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to separate the plastic from the paper. It seems everyone is agreed

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on the need for better education on recycling but on the question of how

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often the bins should be emptied, even keen recyclers think the

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council is pushing the limit at four-week collections. Is four weeks

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acceptable to you? Not to me, we just about manage on a three weeks

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and I wouldn't go any further than that, honestly. Perhaps food for

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thought for the council. There is no doubt in my mind that at the end of

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the trial the council here will have an impressive set of recycling

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statistics. However, there is still a job to do

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to persuade the community here that this is not just about cutbacks but

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about a real opportunity with tangible benefits for everyone.

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Lizzi Zita with more information because I'm sure this has got you

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talking at home. -- Lucy is here. Where else is this happening with

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four weeks? Recent complex include Falkirk and South Lanarkshire in

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Scotland. By far and away two weeks is the most common now, and recently

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Bedford, Blackburn and Bournemouth have stepped up to two weeks, up to

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three we have Argyll and Bute, North Devon, for example, and eight other

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councils who are about to make their decision. What I can say to you is

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if you still have a weekly bin collection prepare for change. It is

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becoming quite rare. Why is this happening now? It feels like it is a

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sudden change. It is a big shift, undoubtedly local authorities are

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underfunding pressure and it's very expensive to do, for example, a

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weekly collection. There is also a thing called the landfill escalator

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which is a tax if you send stuff to landfill as a local authority, it

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goes up every year. It is ?115 per tonne currently and you could

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possibly get much more than that if you sell it on as recycling. It

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makes less economic sense for them to send to landfill. That is because

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we want them to meet a 2020 European target of recycling 50% of all

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waste. Wales has already sailed past that. There was also the ex-local

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government minister Eric Pickles who felt very strongly about weekly

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collections. He did. ?250 million if a local authority could guarantee

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the weekly collection for five years. The five years is up, the

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funds are dry, we checked with the government, there is no more money

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from that so that is why we are seeing this shift, basically. Mary,

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obviously for people who spend their life in the kitchen it is a real

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lifestyle change to start recycling. Did you struggle with the

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transition? We heard in the film education, education, education. No,

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I've got four bins, we do it carefully and we're lucky with our

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council that we get a card with what you put out each week. That process

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of sorting it yourself. You like it? I like to do it. I get very cross if

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somebody puts a milk carton in with the glass. If I even walk to the

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wrong then my wife is, like, no! LAUGHTER

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Mary's setup sounds perfect. But it is different situations for everyone

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across the country. I can't deny it is complex, there are 300 different

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schemes across the UK costing ?3 billion. If you take a London as an

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example, if you standardised all the schemes in London you would save

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around ?19 million, that's the first bit. The second bit is all the boxes

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and beans, beans and boxes, you've got four, spare a thought for the

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people of Bridgend who have seven, the most we have found. Let us know

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if you have more, we'd be interested to know. That seems complex, people

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say why can't we just throw them all in a box. But if you do that you're

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recycling will not be as well sorted and the council will not be able to

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sell it for as much money which goes back into the local authority.

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Reading council have cottoned on to this. They are getting rid of the

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throw everything in method, bringing in different boxes and bags and they

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say that will save them ?4.2 million over seven years, enough to employ

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17 teachers. Over 300 schemes. That seems ludicrous. On plastic bottles

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and glass bottles, wouldn't that be a good idea? Let's see if we can do

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something, Mary, together. That is ridiculous, 300 different schemes.

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We will move on for now but I'm sure we will return to this subject.

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A big financial company is calling time on their employees' lunchtime

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drinking, after finding that half of all their disciplinary cases

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So is this the end of the liquid lunch?

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Dom has been to raise a glass to a dying tradition.

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It's midweek, it's lunchtime, it's time for a cheeky pint before I get

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back to work. Hello, Don. Hello, Steve, how are you? Height of your

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usual? Lovely, thanks sweetheart. -- pint of your usual. I do enjoy this

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but these days I feel a bit naughty. This week insurance giant Lloyds of

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London banned its staff from drinking during working hours Monday

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to Friday. It has changed the culture at lunchtime, we lose our

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lunchtime trade with people eating at their desks. We find the trade is

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better in the afternoons, you have a quite lunchtime and 4pm pub is

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packed. What about if you went into a school where kid was teaching a

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lesson and the teacher smiled of alcohol? Somebody who is responsible

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for young children, they cannot be drinking. Somebody might be pressing

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a button while transferring ?12 million for somebody. If it is my

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bank account let them carry on! I think if you are literally

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responsible for someone's life in that sense that would be an

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absolutely no go. If you are an office worker having a quick client

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meeting, if you are sealing the deal why not do it somewhere like this

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and celebrate? Can I ask your profession? Barrister's Clark. Is it

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frowned upon going back if you have been drinking? It is frowned upon

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from anyone but a lot of business is done in pubs. It would be frowned

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upon if I went back after drinking a lot. Have you ever been a lunchtime

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drink? I used to be, we were able to do it, not have a snooze in the

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afternoon but we didn't have to be quite so proactive whereas now you

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cannot get away with it. It is not a good idea to be drinking and if I

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was dealing with anybody who had alcohol on their breath I would be

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concerned. Lots of bosses don't want people drinking on their time but

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lots of socialising and business is done over drinks at lunchtime. What

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do you do? Gymnastics teacher. Is there reason to have a drink before

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giving lessons? That would be the worst thing I could do, no. I work

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with kids, children with disabilities, and that would be

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unacceptable. If you are in a more casual setting I can't see there

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being a major problem. What about TV presenters? Are you drunk? I have

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had a pint. Only in the name of research. I think it is OK. I will

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take you for a beer! Dom still hasn't returned! Normally

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he would be here to read talk about his experience but we have not seen

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him since. Mary, what's your lunchtime

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drinking policy? Truthfully I have water. On Sunday

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if I'm out I might have a drink at lunch time. There's nothing like

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water at lunchtime because you can look forward to six o'clock!

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LAUGHTER Ask Mary what time she opens the bottle!

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Well there's plenty to eat and drink in your new book and series

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Mary Berry's Everyday - including a good-looking

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glass of red at your barbecue with Tom Kitchin.

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What a gorgeous, gorgeous book. Everyday can't just be ordinary.

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Thereof family meals in there and celebrations. And there is also soft

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recipes from simple rice pudding to a wonderful reflection cake, it's a

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chocolate cake that you can see your face in. I've made a nice thing with

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a bit of gelatin in and that makes it like a mirror. Real family meals,

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and I always say what you can prepare ahead, can you freeze it,

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because everybody is Biddy and they want to do things ahead. It's a good

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tip, make more and freeze it. You get about a bit for the series,

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Mary! You get up to also is of wonderful things. I did, I went to

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Scotland. Scotland is so beautiful. We were in the Highlands. I was

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asked, you'll be kicking outside. So I put on everything warm I'd got.

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Tom Kitchin who is a great expert on all things from Scotland, we were

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barbecuing outside. There's nothing he doesn't know about venison. It

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was delicious. We were walking back and there were mushrooms, we

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included those too. I was then making whiskey creams. You can't go

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to Scotland without whiskey. I added rather more whiskey than I should,

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because it was so cold. There were midges, there was a missed, forget

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all that. Just the surroundings were amazing. We had the loch behind us.

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It is so lovely. It looks idyllic. Tom has marinated the stakes with

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fresh rosemary and Thai. As long as you do it just before you put it on,

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otherwise it draws the blood out -- time. You can't correct it at the

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table because it doesn't go in in the same way. Oh, yes! Lovely.

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APPLAUSE Doesn't that look lovely!

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Mouthwatering. I was nearly blown away but it was so beautiful.

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Loads of great photos in the book, we couldn't help noticing you must

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That's Darcy as in Darcey Bussell because she's very beautiful. She

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came on a lot of outside things and half the time was whipping things

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off the picnic table or whatever. A joy. She's adopting a similar posing

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quite a lot of the pictures, looking up hopefully at the plate! What a

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beautiful dog. A lot of the recipes are about the whole family, and a

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lot of families will struggle with younger children and trying to

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introduce them to new flavours. Do you have a tip? Ketchup is a friend

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in our house. I'm told a lot of children, not ours, but don't like

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vegetables. But all they really want our peas or baked beans. So I often,

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when I'm cooking peas, or I picked peas with things they aren't so

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familiar with. Like finely chopped leeks or broccoli in Little sprigs.

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Give it a little sister and it gets them used to it. In the programme I

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continued to add new things. A few years ago I started to use five

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spice. I use it again in this series, so once you've got it on the

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shelf you actually use it. Juniper berries I can do without. You want

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to reuse them. I try not to have too much, do we really need two soy

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sauces? Point one do? We are all a bit short of space. Keep looking at

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those sell by dates. Yes. Thanks for that, Mary. If younger viewers are

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watching, they're just peas! Mary's new book is out now,

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and the series is on BBC Two Before there was Mary Berry,

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one cook ruled the TV But a successful career ended

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in controversy, and her family Here's Gyles in a very

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fetching pinny to explain Take a fork and pull it out. Fanny

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Cradock was one of TV's first celebrity chefs. From the 1950s to

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the 70s, millions tuned in as she prepared her culinary delights,

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often in partnership with her devoted husband, John. There's your

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gin, darling. Fanny was the toast of the nation. But behind the smile was

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a complicated private life. Fanny was married four times in all,

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Johnny being her last husband. She had two children by her earlier

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husband, Peter and Christopher. Curiously, when she died in 1994,

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neither of them was mentioned in her will. When Fanny died she was worth

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around ?200,000. She left ?150,000 to a charity for blind children.

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?50,000 went to Philip Bradford and Terence John Hibbert, that's about

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?100,000 in today's money. So why did Fanny leave Christopher and

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Peter out of her will? And who were Philip and Terence, the mysterious

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recipients of such a generous bequest? Jane Chapman was married to

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Christopher, who died last year. She first met Fanny as a friend of her

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parents. When I was leaving school and didn't know what to do next, she

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suggested I went up and lived with her in London. Living with Fanny was

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great fun. I met lots of famous people, she had lots of dinner

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parties. She took me everywhere. She looked on me as the daughter she

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never had. Now the part the housewife is so scared of, because

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of the rubbish written in women's magazines... She was very kind to me

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but she could also be very brutal to people. Fanny had a troubled

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relationship with both her sons. Jane met Christopher when he was

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briefly reconciled with her. Fanny saw Christopher and I kissing under

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the mistletoe at Christmas. When we got together I thought to be a

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daughter-in-law, should have liked the idea. She didn't approve. I was

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disappointed. When I left, I told her that one day she was going to be

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a very sad, lonely lady, which she was. Jane and Christopher got

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married in 1966 and that was the last they saw of Fanny. She also

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lost touch with her other son. I wasn't surprised neither Christopher

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or his brother Peter were mentioned in her will. Peter and Pam left

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under the same sort of circumstances as ours. They never had any more

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contact with her either. I'm not dead yet, there's plenty of life in

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the! In the nineteen seventies Fanny had met two men he became like sons,

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Philip Bradford and Terence Hibbert. They were later named in her will.

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This is Fanny's lifelong friend. Philip and Terry came into her life

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because they ran a restaurant. She and Johnny went to the restaurant

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and immediately fell in love with them. The boys loved them back.

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Fanny met them when she was at the top of a game. In 1976, she

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committed a terrible mistake life on TV. Fanny was asked to comment on

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the culinary efforts of a likeable Devon housewife. Fanny was clearly

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disgusted. Today, entire TV careers are built around criticising wannabe

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chefs. Back then, it just wasn't done. Fanny's career was over and in

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1987 her beloved Johnny died. She was kind of desolate. And the boys

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just remained faithful to her. They gathered her up. I can't admire them

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enough or like them enough for having done that. Their reward was

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to be remembered in her will, did that surprise you? Not a bit, I was

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terribly glad. That was one of the best thing is she ever did, was to

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leave them her money. Fanny Cradock blazed a trail for all the celebrity

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chefs working today. Her personal life may have been fraught with

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problems, but at the end it seems she found an adoptive family who

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made her last years happy ones. It's lovely being back with you. Thank

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you so much for watching. If you'd like to do some

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of your own research into wills, we've got information

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on our website, I did, I was in Bristol and I was

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the fourth assistant helping weighing out things. She wasn't very

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kind to us, really. We were skivvies. Looking at the footage,

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it's obvious how much clicking on TV has changed through the years. When

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you look back, it's quite remarkable -- cooking on TV. If you put

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nutrition to one side, do you have a favourite error? The late 1960s and

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1970s, all those traditional things, the stews and casseroles and

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wonderful puddings. Rice pudding, why don't we make more rice pudding?

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I do it in my programme, the grandchildren love it. It's

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inexpensive and warming. We were looking through some of your books.

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Cooking with cheese, I love it! Cider for all seasons. We were just

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talking about cooking for the freezer as well. Four of these

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beautifully styled pictures in your new book. There are no pictures,

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just illustrations. It was very expensive to put pictures in. There

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was much more, black and white food was dreadful, these drawings are

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lot. In the cider book it was all drawings because it was cheaper.

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You've got to look at food. These days you look at the pictures and

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you want to kick it. In the first colour cookbook there was a picture

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of each recipe, I've always tried to keep it simple. In Everyday I've

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made things simple with not too many ingredients. And things that

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everyone has got. And none of the things you have to get through the

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internet. Time for some wildlife now,

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and we've sent Mike Dilger to Hastings, where he got a very

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special booby prize. Once in awhile, our welcome some

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very rare wildlife visitors. Non-native species recently guesting

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on the one show include a Mediterranean purple swung, a

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Dalmatian pelican and even some Italian treat crickets. There's just

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been another one. And possibly the most bizarre story of them all. Last

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September, an unexpected visitor washed up on the beach near

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Hastings. Right in front of Gail Palin. I was sitting there looking

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out on a blustery day and suddenly was amazed by a large bird that

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suddenly flew into my vision. After awhile it came and to sleep on the

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stones. It lifted its tired head and that's when I thought it had a blue

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beak and red feet. The new street away what it was? I thought it was a

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booby. But they don't live in England, I thought it couldn't

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possibly be. She named him Norman and called for help. Boobies are

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large sea birds closely related to gannets. They are powerful agile

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flyers, found widely across the tropics. Norman is a red footed

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booby and the colour of his plumage suggests he's from the Caribbean.

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Norman was taken by the RSPCA to this sanctuary. Richard Thompson is

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nursing Norman back to health. It's a booby! Wow! It's much smaller than

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I imagined. I never would have imagined in my wildest dreams I'd be

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in Sussex looking at one. Norman was severely malnourished when he

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arrived, but is now gaining weight, thanks to a daily diet of sprats.

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What you need to do is toss them. Caught it in midair and swallowed it

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down! Absolutely brilliant! They catch flying fish, in the air.

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Richard is trying to recreate tropical conditions. Heaters keep up

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the temperature and everyday Norman gets a spray to keep his feathers

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tiptop. I've had lots of firsts today, I've never given a booby a

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bath. It's great. Look at the length of those wings! I can feel the

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updraught as he's flapping. This is a bird that is definitely getting

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stronger with every day. It's great to see Norman getting back to rude

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health. The big question is, how did he get here from the Caribbean?

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Boobies will rarely fly further than 300 miles from home. So Hastings is

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way too far. Perhaps he escaped from a zoo, except we can't find any

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records of boobies in captivity in Europe. Could he have been blown off

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course by Anna Atlantique hurricane? A bit of a stretch. -- and Atlantic

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hurricane. Or he might have hitched a lift. The name of the booby means

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stupid, thanks to their habit of landing on plates and then being too

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ungainly to take off again. -- landing on boats. We'll probably

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never know how this Norman came to Hastings. It all seemed so positive

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but I have got some bad news. Since Mike filmed that

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a couple of months ago, Norman needed warm weather

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to survive, so was flown to the Cayman Islands,

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but unfortunately passed Earlier, we asked you to have a go

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at Mary's infamous victory pose I have got one here from Becky who

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has got offered a place at college to do nursing, which is her dream

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job! APPLAUSE Denise has returned home from

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tracking Mount Kilimanjaro and is very proud. Billy is celebrating

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because his sister-in-law has gone home! LAUGHTER Betty is also

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celebrating her 100th birthday. We have a picture in from a June Brown.

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This is a birthday message, last night Nicky did a wonderful piece of

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work, art work done with dots. We sent the picture on and June is

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absolutely delighted. A big thank you to Mary Berry, everybody!

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APPLAUSE Thanks to Mary, the book

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Mary Berry's Everyday is out now, and the TV series is coming soon

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on BBC Two. EastEnders is next, but before that

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look out for a special I'll see you tomorrow, goodbye!

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APPLAUSE

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Matt Baker and Angela Scanlon are joined by the queen of cakes herself, Mary Berry, to reveal what's next for her in 2017. Plus, Gyles Brandreth investigates why Fanny Cradock left her sons out of her will and Dom Littlewood raises a glass in memory of the liquid lunch.