16/02/2017 The One Show


Matt Baker and Angela Scanlon are joined by Mary Berry, to reveal what's next for her in 2017. Plus, Gyles Brandreth investigates why Fanny Cradock left her sons out of her will.

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Hello and welcome to The One Show with Matt Baker.


Our guest tonight was last on our screens winning


a National Television Award for Best TV Judge, and it's tough to tell,


She was quite overcome, she was delighted. She is delighted.


Shall we see if she's calmed down yet - it's Mary Berry!


Belated congratulations. It was so unlike me because the children had


come off the stage just to say hello, if you remember, and the


little girl said she wanted to meet me and I said that's all over. And


then when I'd won I had not prepared a speech at all. Well, it was such a


shock and it is unlike me to be like that but it is so exciting.


Unbridled joy. I remember watching a clip and you are happily enjoying


the evening and this, that and the other, like you say, you didn't


expect. My daughter was beside me and I enjoyed the evening and then


there was the shock of it and I haven't looked away at the steps


where to go up and it was very exciting. The award was for me. I


could take it home. Didn't have to share it with anyone. Is it in the


kitchen? It is in the kitchen and you don't have to polish it either.


You must be very proud. Such a wonderful way to round off your Bake


Off time, when you think back what is your happiest memory? One of the


most memorable times was when Nadiya won the Bake Off because we had met


her family before and if you could see the family behind her, her


little ones, and her husband grinning, she did so well and she


was so overjoyed and she has been a great ambassador for the programme.


Yes. Your award and that picture has given us an idea for a call out


tonight. If you have something to cheer about with as much passion as


Mary, let's remind ourselves, strike that pose if you can, take a photo


and send it in along with details of what you are celebrating. That will


be hard to beat. There are certain subjects


that always get a huge response from you at home -


hospital parking charges, And we can definitely


add bins to that list. So get ready, because we're


about to show you a council's four-weekly rubbish collection


scheme. Could you cope if your


council tried it? Well, Lucy has visited


residents of Conwy to see I think it's an absolute disgrace.


You only have to walk around and see the seagulls, there are nappies all


over the place. We hope they take it, we squashed it down. It is


ridiculous, by the time we get to the second week our bin is totally


full. The bins were into today and basically this is what was left


over. Householders in Conwy in North Wales are part of a council


experiment. Non-recyclable waste is now


collected every four weeks instead of every two, often she has too much


for Herbin. I've tried ringing the council and they say take it to the


skip. -- tip. Why wouldn't you take it to the tip? It is a 25 Minute


Drive. The council discovered half of the West but in the bins could


have been recycled. Cheryl's recycling bins are ended every week


but sometimes they get full too and with no room in the main Ben Shee


resorts to burning the excess. Straight in there. Yes. This is the


antithesis to recycling. But you do recycle? Yes but if it gets too


full, rather than having it hanging around. This is awful because the


whole point is reduce, reuse and recycle and this is burning, so you


are getting nothing back from this, these materials are going to waste,


nothing is being reclaimed, you are not even using the energy. It is all


very frustrating. Cheryl's mum lives in sheltered accommodation and she


is on a more frequent three weekly bin collection but there have still


been problems. One morning very early in a car came down and the man


took a load of beanbags out of his boot and was putting them in our


bins. Fortunately one of the residents gets up very early and she


told him to put them in his own bin, thank you. The council is aiming to


save ?500,000 per year through its trial. Disposing of non-recyclable


waste costs big-money. In Conwy much of it comes here to a landfill site.


Conwy's total waste disposal bill is ?2.9 million. By not sending


recycling waste to landfill say they could save over half of that. Not


everyone is against reduced collections, some even embrace it.


The unalloyed washes and reuses are nappies for four-month-old brain. He


uses five or six nappies a day and they get washed every other day. She


is currently on a three-week bin collection but would happily go to


four weeks. We have seen how many disposable nappies we were throwing


away and sending them straight to landfill so we bought a set of cloth


nappies, the council gave us money towards those, so overall we must


have saved hundreds of pounds. There is evidence to suggest Conwy's


trial is producing results. Since it began in September waste from


non-recyclable bins has dropped by over 1000 tonnes, the councillor who


oversees the trial says it is a strong indication that the idea


works. All we are doing is gathering evidence that justifies this new way


forward which saves massive amounts of taxpayers' money that we can use


on other services. What do you say to residents who at the moment have


misgivings and rubbish everywhere? Ring us and we will deal with it.


Some say we have and don't get the response that is helpful to them so


they cannot do anything. We have a data tracking system for every phone


call and e-mail we receive and if there is an incident we will be out


on the site dealing with it. But to succeed the council needs to


convince doubters like Cheryl and Margaret. They gamely agreed to talk


to two mad keen recyclers. Are we buying fruit and veg that is triple


packed with plastic, or can we buy the same thing with no packaging


whatsoever? I don't think a lot of people are aware of what can be


recycled and what can't. I find that some people will get their junk mail


in plastic covers and they just throw the whole lot in one bin. Got


to separate the plastic from the paper. It seems everyone is agreed


on the need for better education on recycling but on the question of how


often the bins should be emptied, even keen recyclers think the


council is pushing the limit at four-week collections. Is four weeks


acceptable to you? Not to me, we just about manage on a three weeks


and I wouldn't go any further than that, honestly. Perhaps food for


thought for the council. There is no doubt in my mind that at the end of


the trial the council here will have an impressive set of recycling


statistics. However, there is still a job to do


to persuade the community here that this is not just about cutbacks but


about a real opportunity with tangible benefits for everyone.


Lizzi Zita with more information because I'm sure this has got you


talking at home. -- Lucy is here. Where else is this happening with


four weeks? Recent complex include Falkirk and South Lanarkshire in


Scotland. By far and away two weeks is the most common now, and recently


Bedford, Blackburn and Bournemouth have stepped up to two weeks, up to


three we have Argyll and Bute, North Devon, for example, and eight other


councils who are about to make their decision. What I can say to you is


if you still have a weekly bin collection prepare for change. It is


becoming quite rare. Why is this happening now? It feels like it is a


sudden change. It is a big shift, undoubtedly local authorities are


underfunding pressure and it's very expensive to do, for example, a


weekly collection. There is also a thing called the landfill escalator


which is a tax if you send stuff to landfill as a local authority, it


goes up every year. It is ?115 per tonne currently and you could


possibly get much more than that if you sell it on as recycling. It


makes less economic sense for them to send to landfill. That is because


we want them to meet a 2020 European target of recycling 50% of all


waste. Wales has already sailed past that. There was also the ex-local


government minister Eric Pickles who felt very strongly about weekly


collections. He did. ?250 million if a local authority could guarantee


the weekly collection for five years. The five years is up, the


funds are dry, we checked with the government, there is no more money


from that so that is why we are seeing this shift, basically. Mary,


obviously for people who spend their life in the kitchen it is a real


lifestyle change to start recycling. Did you struggle with the


transition? We heard in the film education, education, education. No,


I've got four bins, we do it carefully and we're lucky with our


council that we get a card with what you put out each week. That process


of sorting it yourself. You like it? I like to do it. I get very cross if


somebody puts a milk carton in with the glass. If I even walk to the


wrong then my wife is, like, no! LAUGHTER


Mary's setup sounds perfect. But it is different situations for everyone


across the country. I can't deny it is complex, there are 300 different


schemes across the UK costing ?3 billion. If you take a London as an


example, if you standardised all the schemes in London you would save


around ?19 million, that's the first bit. The second bit is all the boxes


and beans, beans and boxes, you've got four, spare a thought for the


people of Bridgend who have seven, the most we have found. Let us know


if you have more, we'd be interested to know. That seems complex, people


say why can't we just throw them all in a box. But if you do that you're


recycling will not be as well sorted and the council will not be able to


sell it for as much money which goes back into the local authority.


Reading council have cottoned on to this. They are getting rid of the


throw everything in method, bringing in different boxes and bags and they


say that will save them ?4.2 million over seven years, enough to employ


17 teachers. Over 300 schemes. That seems ludicrous. On plastic bottles


and glass bottles, wouldn't that be a good idea? Let's see if we can do


something, Mary, together. That is ridiculous, 300 different schemes.


We will move on for now but I'm sure we will return to this subject.


A big financial company is calling time on their employees' lunchtime


drinking, after finding that half of all their disciplinary cases


So is this the end of the liquid lunch?


Dom has been to raise a glass to a dying tradition.


It's midweek, it's lunchtime, it's time for a cheeky pint before I get


back to work. Hello, Don. Hello, Steve, how are you? Height of your


usual? Lovely, thanks sweetheart. -- pint of your usual. I do enjoy this


but these days I feel a bit naughty. This week insurance giant Lloyds of


London banned its staff from drinking during working hours Monday


to Friday. It has changed the culture at lunchtime, we lose our


lunchtime trade with people eating at their desks. We find the trade is


better in the afternoons, you have a quite lunchtime and 4pm pub is


packed. What about if you went into a school where kid was teaching a


lesson and the teacher smiled of alcohol? Somebody who is responsible


for young children, they cannot be drinking. Somebody might be pressing


a button while transferring ?12 million for somebody. If it is my


bank account let them carry on! I think if you are literally


responsible for someone's life in that sense that would be an


absolutely no go. If you are an office worker having a quick client


meeting, if you are sealing the deal why not do it somewhere like this


and celebrate? Can I ask your profession? Barrister's Clark. Is it


frowned upon going back if you have been drinking? It is frowned upon


from anyone but a lot of business is done in pubs. It would be frowned


upon if I went back after drinking a lot. Have you ever been a lunchtime


drink? I used to be, we were able to do it, not have a snooze in the


afternoon but we didn't have to be quite so proactive whereas now you


cannot get away with it. It is not a good idea to be drinking and if I


was dealing with anybody who had alcohol on their breath I would be


concerned. Lots of bosses don't want people drinking on their time but


lots of socialising and business is done over drinks at lunchtime. What


do you do? Gymnastics teacher. Is there reason to have a drink before


giving lessons? That would be the worst thing I could do, no. I work


with kids, children with disabilities, and that would be


unacceptable. If you are in a more casual setting I can't see there


being a major problem. What about TV presenters? Are you drunk? I have


had a pint. Only in the name of research. I think it is OK. I will


take you for a beer! Dom still hasn't returned! Normally


he would be here to read talk about his experience but we have not seen


him since. Mary, what's your lunchtime


drinking policy? Truthfully I have water. On Sunday


if I'm out I might have a drink at lunch time. There's nothing like


water at lunchtime because you can look forward to six o'clock!


LAUGHTER Ask Mary what time she opens the bottle!


Well there's plenty to eat and drink in your new book and series


Mary Berry's Everyday - including a good-looking


glass of red at your barbecue with Tom Kitchin.


What a gorgeous, gorgeous book. Everyday can't just be ordinary.


Thereof family meals in there and celebrations. And there is also soft


recipes from simple rice pudding to a wonderful reflection cake, it's a


chocolate cake that you can see your face in. I've made a nice thing with


a bit of gelatin in and that makes it like a mirror. Real family meals,


and I always say what you can prepare ahead, can you freeze it,


because everybody is Biddy and they want to do things ahead. It's a good


tip, make more and freeze it. You get about a bit for the series,


Mary! You get up to also is of wonderful things. I did, I went to


Scotland. Scotland is so beautiful. We were in the Highlands. I was


asked, you'll be kicking outside. So I put on everything warm I'd got.


Tom Kitchin who is a great expert on all things from Scotland, we were


barbecuing outside. There's nothing he doesn't know about venison. It


was delicious. We were walking back and there were mushrooms, we


included those too. I was then making whiskey creams. You can't go


to Scotland without whiskey. I added rather more whiskey than I should,


because it was so cold. There were midges, there was a missed, forget


all that. Just the surroundings were amazing. We had the loch behind us.


It is so lovely. It looks idyllic. Tom has marinated the stakes with


fresh rosemary and Thai. As long as you do it just before you put it on,


otherwise it draws the blood out -- time. You can't correct it at the


table because it doesn't go in in the same way. Oh, yes! Lovely.


APPLAUSE Doesn't that look lovely!


Mouthwatering. I was nearly blown away but it was so beautiful.


Loads of great photos in the book, we couldn't help noticing you must


That's Darcy as in Darcey Bussell because she's very beautiful. She


came on a lot of outside things and half the time was whipping things


off the picnic table or whatever. A joy. She's adopting a similar posing


quite a lot of the pictures, looking up hopefully at the plate! What a


beautiful dog. A lot of the recipes are about the whole family, and a


lot of families will struggle with younger children and trying to


introduce them to new flavours. Do you have a tip? Ketchup is a friend


in our house. I'm told a lot of children, not ours, but don't like


vegetables. But all they really want our peas or baked beans. So I often,


when I'm cooking peas, or I picked peas with things they aren't so


familiar with. Like finely chopped leeks or broccoli in Little sprigs.


Give it a little sister and it gets them used to it. In the programme I


continued to add new things. A few years ago I started to use five


spice. I use it again in this series, so once you've got it on the


shelf you actually use it. Juniper berries I can do without. You want


to reuse them. I try not to have too much, do we really need two soy


sauces? Point one do? We are all a bit short of space. Keep looking at


those sell by dates. Yes. Thanks for that, Mary. If younger viewers are


watching, they're just peas! Mary's new book is out now,


and the series is on BBC Two Before there was Mary Berry,


one cook ruled the TV But a successful career ended


in controversy, and her family Here's Gyles in a very


fetching pinny to explain Take a fork and pull it out. Fanny


Cradock was one of TV's first celebrity chefs. From the 1950s to


the 70s, millions tuned in as she prepared her culinary delights,


often in partnership with her devoted husband, John. There's your


gin, darling. Fanny was the toast of the nation. But behind the smile was


a complicated private life. Fanny was married four times in all,


Johnny being her last husband. She had two children by her earlier


husband, Peter and Christopher. Curiously, when she died in 1994,


neither of them was mentioned in her will. When Fanny died she was worth


around ?200,000. She left ?150,000 to a charity for blind children.


?50,000 went to Philip Bradford and Terence John Hibbert, that's about


?100,000 in today's money. So why did Fanny leave Christopher and


Peter out of her will? And who were Philip and Terence, the mysterious


recipients of such a generous bequest? Jane Chapman was married to


Christopher, who died last year. She first met Fanny as a friend of her


parents. When I was leaving school and didn't know what to do next, she


suggested I went up and lived with her in London. Living with Fanny was


great fun. I met lots of famous people, she had lots of dinner


parties. She took me everywhere. She looked on me as the daughter she


never had. Now the part the housewife is so scared of, because


of the rubbish written in women's magazines... She was very kind to me


but she could also be very brutal to people. Fanny had a troubled


relationship with both her sons. Jane met Christopher when he was


briefly reconciled with her. Fanny saw Christopher and I kissing under


the mistletoe at Christmas. When we got together I thought to be a


daughter-in-law, should have liked the idea. She didn't approve. I was


disappointed. When I left, I told her that one day she was going to be


a very sad, lonely lady, which she was. Jane and Christopher got


married in 1966 and that was the last they saw of Fanny. She also


lost touch with her other son. I wasn't surprised neither Christopher


or his brother Peter were mentioned in her will. Peter and Pam left


under the same sort of circumstances as ours. They never had any more


contact with her either. I'm not dead yet, there's plenty of life in


the! In the nineteen seventies Fanny had met two men he became like sons,


Philip Bradford and Terence Hibbert. They were later named in her will.


This is Fanny's lifelong friend. Philip and Terry came into her life


because they ran a restaurant. She and Johnny went to the restaurant


and immediately fell in love with them. The boys loved them back.


Fanny met them when she was at the top of a game. In 1976, she


committed a terrible mistake life on TV. Fanny was asked to comment on


the culinary efforts of a likeable Devon housewife. Fanny was clearly


disgusted. Today, entire TV careers are built around criticising wannabe


chefs. Back then, it just wasn't done. Fanny's career was over and in


1987 her beloved Johnny died. She was kind of desolate. And the boys


just remained faithful to her. They gathered her up. I can't admire them


enough or like them enough for having done that. Their reward was


to be remembered in her will, did that surprise you? Not a bit, I was


terribly glad. That was one of the best thing is she ever did, was to


leave them her money. Fanny Cradock blazed a trail for all the celebrity


chefs working today. Her personal life may have been fraught with


problems, but at the end it seems she found an adoptive family who


made her last years happy ones. It's lovely being back with you. Thank


you so much for watching. If you'd like to do some


of your own research into wills, we've got information


on our website, I did, I was in Bristol and I was


the fourth assistant helping weighing out things. She wasn't very


kind to us, really. We were skivvies. Looking at the footage,


it's obvious how much clicking on TV has changed through the years. When


you look back, it's quite remarkable -- cooking on TV. If you put


nutrition to one side, do you have a favourite error? The late 1960s and


1970s, all those traditional things, the stews and casseroles and


wonderful puddings. Rice pudding, why don't we make more rice pudding?


I do it in my programme, the grandchildren love it. It's


inexpensive and warming. We were looking through some of your books.


Cooking with cheese, I love it! Cider for all seasons. We were just


talking about cooking for the freezer as well. Four of these


beautifully styled pictures in your new book. There are no pictures,


just illustrations. It was very expensive to put pictures in. There


was much more, black and white food was dreadful, these drawings are


lot. In the cider book it was all drawings because it was cheaper.


You've got to look at food. These days you look at the pictures and


you want to kick it. In the first colour cookbook there was a picture


of each recipe, I've always tried to keep it simple. In Everyday I've


made things simple with not too many ingredients. And things that


everyone has got. And none of the things you have to get through the


internet. Time for some wildlife now,


and we've sent Mike Dilger to Hastings, where he got a very


special booby prize. Once in awhile, our welcome some


very rare wildlife visitors. Non-native species recently guesting


on the one show include a Mediterranean purple swung, a


Dalmatian pelican and even some Italian treat crickets. There's just


been another one. And possibly the most bizarre story of them all. Last


September, an unexpected visitor washed up on the beach near


Hastings. Right in front of Gail Palin. I was sitting there looking


out on a blustery day and suddenly was amazed by a large bird that


suddenly flew into my vision. After awhile it came and to sleep on the


stones. It lifted its tired head and that's when I thought it had a blue


beak and red feet. The new street away what it was? I thought it was a


booby. But they don't live in England, I thought it couldn't


possibly be. She named him Norman and called for help. Boobies are


large sea birds closely related to gannets. They are powerful agile


flyers, found widely across the tropics. Norman is a red footed


booby and the colour of his plumage suggests he's from the Caribbean.


Norman was taken by the RSPCA to this sanctuary. Richard Thompson is


nursing Norman back to health. It's a booby! Wow! It's much smaller than


I imagined. I never would have imagined in my wildest dreams I'd be


in Sussex looking at one. Norman was severely malnourished when he


arrived, but is now gaining weight, thanks to a daily diet of sprats.


What you need to do is toss them. Caught it in midair and swallowed it


down! Absolutely brilliant! They catch flying fish, in the air.


Richard is trying to recreate tropical conditions. Heaters keep up


the temperature and everyday Norman gets a spray to keep his feathers


tiptop. I've had lots of firsts today, I've never given a booby a


bath. It's great. Look at the length of those wings! I can feel the


updraught as he's flapping. This is a bird that is definitely getting


stronger with every day. It's great to see Norman getting back to rude


health. The big question is, how did he get here from the Caribbean?


Boobies will rarely fly further than 300 miles from home. So Hastings is


way too far. Perhaps he escaped from a zoo, except we can't find any


records of boobies in captivity in Europe. Could he have been blown off


course by Anna Atlantique hurricane? A bit of a stretch. -- and Atlantic


hurricane. Or he might have hitched a lift. The name of the booby means


stupid, thanks to their habit of landing on plates and then being too


ungainly to take off again. -- landing on boats. We'll probably


never know how this Norman came to Hastings. It all seemed so positive


but I have got some bad news. Since Mike filmed that


a couple of months ago, Norman needed warm weather


to survive, so was flown to the Cayman Islands,


but unfortunately passed Earlier, we asked you to have a go


at Mary's infamous victory pose I have got one here from Becky who


has got offered a place at college to do nursing, which is her dream


job! APPLAUSE Denise has returned home from


tracking Mount Kilimanjaro and is very proud. Billy is celebrating


because his sister-in-law has gone home! LAUGHTER Betty is also


celebrating her 100th birthday. We have a picture in from a June Brown.


This is a birthday message, last night Nicky did a wonderful piece of


work, art work done with dots. We sent the picture on and June is


absolutely delighted. A big thank you to Mary Berry, everybody!


APPLAUSE Thanks to Mary, the book


Mary Berry's Everyday is out now, and the TV series is coming soon


on BBC Two. EastEnders is next, but before that


look out for a special I'll see you tomorrow, goodbye!




Matt Baker and Angela Scanlon are joined by the queen of cakes herself, Mary Berry, to reveal what's next for her in 2017. Plus, Gyles Brandreth investigates why Fanny Cradock left her sons out of her will and Dom Littlewood raises a glass in memory of the liquid lunch.