20/04/2017 The One Show

Hello and welcome to the One Show with Matt Baker.

Now, tonight's guests have something in common.

Steve Backshall and Helen Glover are here to fill us in on the finale

of their mammoth canoe challenge from Devizes to Westminster.

There they are with their battered boat....

And, we're also joined by one of the biggest film stars

His journey started in South London and ended in a galaxy far, far away.

Star Wars: The Force Awakens broke box office records

Welcome! Good to see you. Thank you for having me. First time here. It

should have happened earlier but I'm here now!

You were in Orlando last week to launch the latest Star Wars

film, The Last Jedi, which is out in December.

We launched the trailer last weekend in Orlando. Predictable craziness?

We had 4000 people there, it was crazy, honestly, the support was

huge. Everyone wants to know, what's in it? Let's go with what's not in

it. There are quite a few rumours around. Gary Barlow? That was a

rumour onset and I wasn't in any scenes with him so I don't know

whether that's true or not. Prince William or Harry? I don't know who

they are! LAUGHTER You've met them! LAUGHTER I didn't tell you about my

twin brother, he's in Star Wars! More Star Wars later,

and we'll be chatting about John's But first, if you're

watching your weight after an Easter chocolate binge you might now be

looking at food labels But, can you always trust

the nutritional information Matt Allwright has waded

into a slimming sausage squabble. Earlier this year, meat loving

dieters thought they had found the holy grail of sausages, the Porky

Light. The Porky Light promised all the texture and taste of a proper

sausage. But, at a fraction of the fact. Look, 3%. That's just three

grams per 100 grams. And it gives Porky Lights the right to label

their packet low-fat. Diet club Slimming World was impressed. It's

slimming plan lets members eat up to 15 of its points a day. It said a

Porky Light sausage was just half a point, nine times healthier than a

standard binder. Porky Lights low-fat ratings than many of

Slimming World's members into a sausage induced frenzy. Little did

they know they were about to be enmeshed into the biggest sausage

scandal in slimming history. And yes, I did just say those words!

Last month, after becoming concerned with the fatty texture, Slimming

World decided to test Porky Lights. They found each sausage contained up

to 19 grams of fat. So they took away their low sin point status. We

interrupt your regular programming to present coverage on the sausage

gate scandal. No! I'm absolutely devastated. In a statement, Slimming

World said they reclassified Porky Lights to protect their members

weight loss. It's safe to say, G White Co who make them disagreed,

and began a sausage squabble. A "charcuterie disputerie". G White

Co published what they claimed was the product's low-fat content,

explaining they use the leanest cuts of pork as part of an old family

recipe. So, who is right? To find out, The One Show commissioned its

own tests. We asked an independent public analyst to test three packets

of uncooked Porky Lights. The second one was 5.1 grams per 100 grams and

the third one was 4.5 grams. I'm of the opinion that the approach

required by the company is to either remove the low-fat claim, or reduce

the fat content of the product itself. Not as low as the three

grams they claim on the packet, but substantially less than the 19 grams

Slimming World claimed to have found. In a bid to resolve this

sausage scandal, I've come to Porky Lights headquarters in Woking to put

our findings to the managing director of G White Co, Chris

Price. On your packets it says 3% fat. Our analyst has carried out the

tests and come up with three different samples which range

between 4.5 and 5.5%. I think on the positive side the results were

consistent and quite low. They were tested as a raw product. We actually

pick our sausages for the guidelines on the pack. Why would you test them

as a cooked product rather than at the stage when they are all the

same? It's a more acceptable way for people to understand. You don't

actually eat a raw product. There are so many different ways of

cooking a product. The important thing is you make sure you stay in a

description whether you are using raw or cooked fee or values. -- for

your values. Will you keep labelling this as low-fat? We have to stand by

the results that we have. We have no reason to change the packaging or

its low-fat status. Tell me what it's like between you and Slimming

World? What we have offered to do is to do some testing together, so we

can have the correct value reinstated. So far we haven't had a

positive response from Slimming World.

Slimming World have referred the matter to trading standards.

And so the battle rages on. The question is, can you really have a

low-fat sausage? I don't know. But if a sausage is a sin, then count me

in! Matt is here now -

so is that the end of the 'charcuterie disput-erie'

as you put it? Before anyone writes in, I know that

a sausages and charcuterie! We conducted our own tests. There are

test results from Buckinghamshire and Surrey Trading Standards. They

tested four samples. Now remember the packet says 3%,

but when Trading Standards oven cooked as per instructions,

they found the fat content ranged And what did Slimming World

and the manufacturers of Porky Lights, G White Co

have to say? Slimming World say they stand

by their results which they say came from 14 samples tested in two

separate laboratories but say if Porky Lights provide regular lab

reports backing their fat content claims they will reinstate

the sausages onto their database. Meanwhile, G White Co has accepted

the trading standards tests show results that are higher than that

all-important low fat 3% figure but, it says, they are within acceptable

tolerances that still allow them And very quickly Matt,

just clarify for us the whole cooked That's quite confusing for people.

It is quite confusing. European guidelines say they should be

presented as sold, so in this case, raw. They say you are allowed to

present a cooked version if you also supplied very precise instructions

on the way they are cooked. So they tell you how they expect you to

grill it which is exactly what G White Co do. Are you a big meat

eater, John? It's more the yams and the rise. I'm staying away from

sausage and now, man! LAUGHTER It's all good stuff! Why would you bring

it up if there wasn't something wrong?! LAUGHTER Do you like a

filthy fry up every now and again? I do. I only have one sausage anyway

because I tend to put a fry up in one sandwich. Classic! Lovely.

This week marks the anniversary of a truly extraordinary,

explosive operation carried out by the Royal Navy.

Dan Snow has visited the island they tried to wipe off the map.

70 years ago, 40 miles off the coast of Germany, there's what's been

recorded as the world's biggest non-nuclear explosion. The island of

Heligoland was blown up by the British. Not in war, but in peace

time. There is Heligoland now, it looks like a tiny scrap of land

surrounded by the North Sea. The island was a British outpost and a

popular tourist destination for Europe's well-to-do. It was traded

back to Germany in 1890, when it became a naval base under the German

Empire. To get there, I must first travel by plane, then ferry. Two

years before that record-breaking explosion, at the end of the Second

World War, the British launched a bombing raid to put the Nazi bases

on the island out of action. In April 1940 five, 900 RAF bombers

dropped thousands of tonnes of explosives to smash the German naval

base. The local population desperately took shelter in the

bunkers burrowed into the rock. On the island I met this man who was

just a child when the bombs were dropped. He hid in civilian bunkers.

After this operation it was considered unlikely that any living

thing could have survived... When Olaf and his family came up, the

town of Heligoland was destroyed. The island population was left

homeless. The bombs left huge craters in the upper part of the

island, that can be seen today. But still, many of the Nazi defences

remained intact. After the war, islanders were relocated to the

mainland and preparations were made for a second, more powerful assault

on the Nazi installations. It was called operation Big Bang. Olaf was

living 40 miles across the water from Heligoland.

On the 18th of April 1947, the Royal Navy detonated 6700 tonnes of

explosives. Fire. Some people have suggested the

detonation in peace time was an act designed to humiliate the Germans.

This man runs the Heligoland Museum and takes a more pragmatic view.

All that was left were the civilian bunkers. It wasn't until five years

later that the island was handed back to Germany once more, and the

people of Heligoland were able to return. 70 years on, operation Big

Bang may not be forgotten but the painful memories have begun to fade.

People came back in 1952, rebuilt the houses and so on. Nowadays it's

a lovely place to live here. For me, it's the perfect place. I couldn't

imagine a better place to live and to stay. We say that an Heligoland

you stay young, you don't grow. Today, Heligoland is once again a

thriving tourist destination. Despite a pretty traumatic recent

history, and an explosion which literally reshaped it.

It does look lovely, doesn't it? We are going to carry on with the

Germans seem now. John, jaw about to appear on stage in a play called

Woyzeck at the old Vic. It is based in Berlin, this version? The play,

it's 150 years old. It's an interesting one, because the

writer of the original play died while writing it, so it is open to

interpretation. We've left that to the phenomenal writer Jack Thorne

and director Joe Murphy. We have a great team at the old Vic. What is

the difference with your interpretation of it? With the Cold

War as the backdrop. We have a younger class, from the perspective

of a man who has been at war in Belfast, has been transferred to

Berlin and is going through post-traumatic stress. His mental

stress is deteriorating. It's a discovery and an education about his

mental health, and how that affects his girlfriend, his two month old

baby and his friends around him. It's a really deep and dark play. So

why did you want to do this play and why did you want to do it now? It

seems like so much is happening for you. To come back and do a five-week

run on stage is interesting. The first reason is for the creative

opportunity, to work with people I respect the theatre... The last time

I did a play was eight years ago at the tricycle Theatre. It's a way of

coming back to the craft and not getting too carried away doing the

movies and forgetting what my origin is as an individual. You are

relishing that? Yes, and at the same time I want to let people know I can

act! LAUGHTER It's live and you don't get a second

take. It's a great way for me to share my stories with a live

audience. You are in rehearsal at the moment. Yes, I'm not going to

lie, I don't know my lines! You don't need to, in a play you have

time to learn. I imagine on a film set you straight in. Straight in,

not much of a rehearsal period. We are rehearsing and three weeks away

from previews. Does it seem like a luxury? It does feel like a luxury.

When you see the monologues you have to do you think, this is not a

luxury, but at the same time it's a great opportunity for me to get my

teeth into a really deep role that was distributed to me just over a

year ago. It's a fantastic opportunity for me. Everything you

really want in a play. After doing the movies back-to-back, it's been

good to settle down in London and work from home. It's interesting,

back-to-back. You are returning to the character you did. It must have

a very different feel to you as an actor. You must be over the moon you

are in the Star Wars world and then suddenly going back and doing the

second one, that must have a very different feeling for you? It does,

it does. Now you have people saying, you're now an icon in Miazga Star

Wars universe. For me, I don't feel that way when I watch my face in the

bathroom when I go home. When I wash my face I don't feel that way. I

still feel like a new, in that universe, so it does feel strange

but it went well. The Last Jedi, we came back hard in Orlando! The

trailer almost broke the Internet when it was released. Almost? It

smashed the Internet! Let's take a look, everyone.

A lot of excitement, excited people in here. As you mentioned, Dorf

character has come back as... Quite a big deal now. I'm glad you said

that. Finn had elements, needed to learn, he was in over his head and

that led to him being defeated in the woods and Ray stepped in to back

him up. Now with the opportunity for Finn to wake up and get back to

being a badass. When you did the first one did you know you'd be the

second one? Yes, three, I'm doing one more after this. Wow. It feels

great, because you are able to kind of hold some things back, as well.

With Finn, vulnerability is a very real thing to a human being. I

wanted to be that human source of that open window. Now he's dropped

that I'm going to be strong. Do you know what will happen in the next

film? Or do you have anticipation? I'm waiting to read the next script.

The first thing I need to do is meet the director and the new team. Will

Harrison Ford be back? No. Harrison's... I think he's done. He

still in that restaurant you took him to! LAUGHTER

You took him to your local favourite little spot. I took a nice

restaurant. He wanted to find somewhere more grounded. Has he been

back? No, he hasn't even been back to London. Come on! Soon, soon. Best

of luck with Woyzeck. If you were watching last night

you may have seen Steve Backshall and Helen Glover crack their kayak

on the gruelling first leg of their 125 mile race

from Devizes to Westminster. So did they sink or swim on the

toughest section of the race - We've been paddling nonstop for the

last 14 hours, racing down the canal through Hungerford, Newbury and

Reading. It's just gone midnight and we're now on the River Thames,

passing through Marlow. Oh my god, this is a never-ending! I'm hurting.

We have many hours of paddling in the pitch black ahead of us. Dawn is

a long way away and we're still having to get out and run around

every lock. Mentally and physically tough now. My back and my four on!

Steve announced to me we're basically halfway there on distance,

which is not fun! This is the graveyard shift, when exhaustion

really kicks in. Overnight a quarter of competitors will be forced to

retire from the race. To stand any chance of finishing in less than 24

hours, we need to be at Teddington Lock at around 7am to coincide with

high tide. Despite the pain, the chafing and the twisters, we are

both keeping positive. It is a nice sensation of just being totally

alone. It's lovely. Steve's saying it's lovely, needs to work harder!

Run, Steve. I'm in a boat with a drill instructor!

Even in the early hours of the morning, there are plenty of

cheering supporters keeping our spirits high. Come on, guys! And, of

course, we couldn't do it without our dedicated support crew, who have

been keeping us on schedule and trying to make sure we keep our

energy levels up. I don't fancy a doughnut. I'll have a sandwich,

thank you. When would I ever turn down the doughnut? This is doing

weird things to me! We've been battling to keep our boat

afloat, after putting a big hole in it just four hours in. It seems to

be holding together but I'm not so sure about Steve. I've got the

worlds worst case of nappy rash. I understand why cry now. It's even

having a strange effect on me. A bit disorientated in the dark as to

where we are. I'm just doing this annoying thing of calculating how

far we have to go, still hours and hours and hours. It's three o'clock

in the morning and I have a boat held together with sticky tape! It's

great. The boat is holding together but we are falling apart. We've been

paddling relentlessly for nearly 20 hours and fighting fatigue is now

the real battle. Helen starts to hallucinate as a boat tailing us and

start shouting to it. They are a metre behind us, Steve. Is it right

or left? There is no one behind us! It was the moon, I thought it was a

light. Which way? After 108 miles, we reached Teddington Lock, on time

to catch high tide. The tidal flow should help us on the home straight

towards the finish line at Westminster.

I can tell Steve is suffering, but the clock is ticking and I know we

need to push on. This is not the time for sympathy. They had it you

go the less you will feel the pain. I am never, ever doing anything with

you ever again! Once on the Thames Tideway we won't

touch land until we finish. Any problems and we are on our own. Oh,

no! What? Cramp, my legs. Ticking off the bridges on the landmarks of

London... Hammersmith. Gives us the kit we need to drive us to the

finish. I can see the banner! CHEERING

Just after Big Ben chimes nine o'clock on a glorious Easter Sunday

morning, we did it! It's been such an honour doing this

with you, sweetheart. Out of the 157 pairs that started

the race, 120 finished. But for us, it was the cheers from supporters,

friends and family along the way that really pushed us on and we

thank you all. CHEERING AND APPLAUSE Here they both are, Steve and Helen.

Oh my word. Huge congratulations. Amazing. I think everyone at home

will want to know how is the nappy rash? It's terrible! Been sitting in

a warm bath! Pretty much. Helen, you showed me your hands earlier, can

you hold the button to camera four? That once pretty bad. How would it

compare to the ones you get rowing? I thought I would get any because

when you're throwing it off until hands up. It's a different sport,

different movement, my hands weren't quite ready for it. They started

hurting probably two hours in. With 20 hours of blistered hands, it

wasn't nice. The formula keeping in those shots, 24 hours in and

still... That was only when the camera started! LAUGHTER

We had to paddle hard otherwise we weren't going to make the tide at

Teddington and we wouldn't have made it to the finish line. Not just your

hands and body that took a battering, your mind got a bit fuzzy

as well. Definitely in the early hours. I thought for an hour, I was

convinced there was a boat behind us. Internally I was going, why

don't they overtake us? Why are they just sat there? I didn't know if the

fork was going left or right so I started shouting at them and Steve

is going, who is she talking to? LAUGHTER

There was no one there, we were totally on our own. That was

properly after 20, 21 hours of paddling. Wow. You did so well. The

crew keeping everything going. It will take some time out of your

schedule as well. You had the complications as well of the hole in

the boat. That was something our support crew helped with. They were

so heroic. I basically managed to stick my shoulder through the boat

and crack all up the back of it. They stuck it together with sticky

tape. I thought it came from this moment. This is one that comes up.

Listen. And I thought initially it might have come from that. And if

you're carrying it... I worried Steve had hit it with his paddle and

saw his whole natural career... It would have to be a pretty tough swan

to get through that! Of course there is a real serious reason why you are

doing this, Steve. It's all about the rainforest. Yes, it is. We are

raising money to buy section of rainforest in Borneo that will

otherwise be cut down. People have been unbelievably generous and put

behind us. Last time I looked I think we were at ?72,000, well on

our way to our target. If we don't buy it it will be cut down and all

the animals that live the orangutans, pygmy monkeys elephants

will have nowhere to go. It's a fantastic opportunity to make a

difference and save a part of the world that is really on the edge.

But people have been so generous, I think we are going to crack it.

People can find out online. And you guys won the mixed doubles. You

haven't seen the trophy yet because it has been engraved. We can hand it

over. We put a bit of gaffer tape on the back! The Gabi

That's all we have time for tonight a big thank you to Steve and Helen

Woyzeck opens at the Old Vic on 15th of May.

Spring is arriving - in a whirlwind of pink.

We're in Japan to celebrate the sakura.