24/01/2018 The One Show

Hello and welcome to

programme with Matt Baker.

And Alex Jones.

An our wonderful One Show viewers

are helping each other tonight...

Indeed - traders in a Cornish port

are showing their opposite numbers

from Wales how to drive single use

plastic out of town.

The Newnes family from Essex

will tell us how watching the show

led them to take a decision that has

saved the lives of no

led them to take a decision that has

saved the lives of five people.

Our guests all have

their causes too.

Proving his passion for our planet -

one wildlife programme at a time -

it's Chris Packham.

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Cleaning up the North East

of England, one thug at a time -

it's Brenda Blethyn!

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And improving our taste in music -

one slow jam at a time -

it's Trevor Nelson!

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Welcome, welcome to you all.

Let's pick up on that thought.

Single use plastics. As far as

plastics in the house are concerned,

let's start with you, Trevor. As the

recent news made you reassess your

situation?

I cannot stand plastics

even though we have to use them.

But, yes, of course it does. I live

by the M25 now and I hate seeing

plastic amongst foliage, greenery.

It's a bit more rural. I go to the

Caribbean every year and nothing

irks me more than being on a

beautiful hill, and there is plastic

up there, and I come back two years

later and it is still there. It is

just awful.

A lot of it is

unnecessary, isn't it? Despite the

fact you need a crypt on degree

sometimes to get into it. After you

have opened and eaten whatever it is

it is like a weak's work disposing

of it appropriately.

A particular

kind of plastic really rattled

Allen's cage. He came into the

meeting...

Plastics through the

post! -- really rattled Matt's case.

Why are you delivering this to my

house?

And recently the RSPB were

called out because their members'

magazine arrives in a non-recyclable

plastic bag. Well, it can be

recycled under certain situations

but not with your typical plastic so

they are in the process of

addressing that. But you're right.

These bursts of interest get us of

thinking about it. I was watching TV

and there is a lady now who is

attempting to purge the new Forest

Park of plastic drinking straws and

that would not have happened without

us or talking about plastic at this

point in time.

Claims are changing.

--

Times are changing.

Lots to get through tonight -

and we've got someone

new to introduce you to too...

Described by Penn and Teller

as "the perfect magician," we'll be

meeting Mahdi Gilbert -

an expert in sleight

of hand card tricks -

despite being born with no hands.

That is incredible. So many tricks.

As we heard earlier this week,

the UK's ability to withstand attack

and respond to threats is "being

eroded" by a lack of investment -

according to the head of the Army.

But despite this budget black

hole, a new recruitment

drive is under way -

hoping to attract candidates

from different backgrounds.

With new adverts which haven't gone

down well with everyone,

as JJ Chalmers can tell us...

It was this advert that first

attracted the Royal Marines.

The tag line 99.99% need not apply

hooked me on and at age 17 I joined

up. But five years later a bomb

blast in Afghanistan put an end to

the job that I loved.

How can the military attract new

recruits while staying true to the

reality of what they are signing up

to?

Thousands of full and part-time jobs

available now. There's more than one

way to be the best.

The army's

latest campaign focusing on the

longing goes beneath its tough

exterior to persuade us that the

Armed Forces is not such a brutal

place. Tackling stigmas such as

being gay, emotion, and religions.

In both TV and online adverts this

has caused controversy, with some

suggesting they don't appeal to

those who want to be soldiers and

fight. Keen to voice his criticism

was retired colonel Martin Kemp.

It

is clearly trying to appeal to a

series of minorities who may or may

not be interested in joining the

forces, and by doing that it is

almost neglecting the main group of

people who are interested in

joining.

The Army spoke of campaigns on

reaching out to the broader

community, and the TV adverts are

all based on authentic stories from

serving soldiers.

So what do these military veterans

think of the new adverts and the

Army's previous attempts to recruit

new soldiers?

When you started, get it together.

Now, that 12 football doesn't seem

12 football any more.

It is very

simple, what basic training was

late, however it looks after the

demographic, straight, white,

northern mail.

We saw him shooting

his rocket launcher and he said it

was rather exciting.

Well, it is

exciting. I joined the infantry to

go and fight.

I don't think you

should promote it as being exciting

to kill somebody because I know a

lot of

lot of people who make a great

career in the forces would perhaps

be turned off by that.

In the 90s it

was all about the glamour, the

soldier called Frank.

Joined the

army then.

What

army then.

What for?

The early! --

there he is, Frank!

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Someone's got to do it.

To be frank,

joined the Army.

Did anybody serve

with Frank?

That was nothing like my

Army career.

That is complete false

advertising.

The thing that

definitely

doesn't show is the

board. Sitting there, absolutely

freezing cold, and you would rather

be anywhere else, and Frank has been

the topic of many conversations.

In

recent years the theme was

developing new skills.

Leadership,

you know, my ability to step back,

think about something for a second

then have the confidence to say,

right, this is what we're going to

do.

Bringing us up to 2018, what do

they think of the Army's current

campaign?

campaign?

It is political

correctness gone mad.

I don't need

to see a cartoon of two men holding

hands. Just put an advert in saying,

joined the army. Everyone belongs.

The single these things out. It is

offensive.

Men at work often spoke

over me and I felt I didn't have a

voice.

The main audience here or

white,

white, heterosexual males, largely

from northern towns where

unemployment is rife and there is no

mention of these people in any of

these adverts.

I think the concept

is quite good.

From what I have seen

and heard today, it is tricky

getting the delicate balance between

highlighting some of the more

adventurous parts of the job with

showing some of the difficult things

the military has to do with. So The

One Show past me with creating my

own simple advert, starring yours

truly. So here it is... The Army

needs you, but do you need the Army?

You can join an exclusive club for a

life. You can travel the world with

your best mate and gain a huge sense

of achievement. It is exciting, but

nobody mention the war... Or the

board.

Eh, can you hurry up and

wait, lads?

Yes, you will learn a

lot. It is a career but it is also a

way of life. Attention! Whatever

happens, it will shape you forever.

With us now is Colonel Simon

Stockley, the Army's assistant

director for recruiting.

Welcome, Simon.

Thank you for

inviting me.

Well, we saw JJ's

advert there, which undoubtedly

leaves an impact. What did you think

of his version of the advert, and

did you think... I mean, it tells

the truth, doesn't it? Gives some

upsides at the beginning but we are

left with a vivid image at the end

there.

A striking image, and JJ has

made sacrifices. But I think in a

year that is the 100th anniversary

of the First World War we never

undersell the fact that the Army

exists to protect the nation both at

home and overseas. The

home and overseas. The challenge we

are facing is a lot of young men and

women today don't think joining the

Army is an attainable proposition

for them, so the new campaign is

making it clear to them that they

don't need to be Army ready from the

start. We will physically and

emotionally support them throughout

their career, but also we will

accept you for being who you are and

in doing so we will demonstrate the

fact we are tolerant, fair, and

human, not robotic, and I think they

are really important messages for

our offered -- our audience.

And you

heard some of the criticisms there.

I do respond to the point you're

trying to respond to the minority

and rejecting -- respond to the

minority and rejecting the majority?

I have been in the Army for quite

some time and ever since the Roman

army was on the shores everyone has

always said the next generation is

not as good as the generation today.

But no one says Lionel Messi is too

short to play football because he is

an amazing striker, and I think we

are looking for a really inclusive

campaign. We want to take people

from all walks of life and bring

them into the Army, and through the

training we deliver to them and our

inspirational instructors, we won't

compromise our standards in any way,

she perform.

How big a problem is it

recruiting from diverse backgrounds?

Are you really lacking in numbers?

We have made real improvements over

recent years. 9% of the regular army

today are female and 11% are from

ethnic minorities, but we still want

more people. Within the UK we have a

really diverse nation and we would

really like to welcome other people

in, with their views and thoughts,

to aid our decision-making and make

the Army more capable.

They have

been a part of growing up, these

adverts. Did any one make an impact

on you guys? Chris, a man of the

outdoors.

Bearing mind I left school

in the early 70s and career

prospects were pretty bleak and the

Army was always on the agenda. If

you ask me straight, would I have

joined in the 1970s, no. But then

these adverts didn't exist and I

would not have thought I would have

fitted in, so surely that is the

point of this. We are all inclusive.

If I was a teenager looking to

develop the skill now, I have to see

it is an immense pleasure always

working with them, as I do, so I

think it is a very different time

when it comes to recruitment.

Well,

you look the part!

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When I was a teenager I wanted to be

in the Army. Simply because I liked

the idea of people working together

to achieve a common...

The

camaraderie?

Yes, that is what

theatre is.

I think these adverts

are great now and they should have

been on years and years ago because

I didn't feel there was much in the

Army for someone like myself,

although I do remember the ads and

there are so powerful. This is what

I was talking about. Be the best you

can be. That is something that stuck

with me forever and I still think

about that every week of my life, I

still say that, be the best you can

be. So I think the Army should

reflect our population, definitely,

I agree. All our services should be

more diverse.

more diverse.

And tactics are

changing also. Lots of these wars

are fought on a computer, so we need

those experts as well.

The flip side

is we had Ireland, which put a lot

of people off joining the army, and

an estimate we have had wars were

soldiers, people I actually know,

they have been alive and soldiers we

know have gone there, so it is not

just travelling the world, skiing,

jumping out of helicopters and

stuff. It is real.

The thing is,

Simon, people are talking about it.

Those adverts have created a debate,

haven't they?

Never a bad thing.

Thank you for your time.

Thank you.

Chris, you've proven you're up

for action and adventure -

your latest being trekking

through the jungle of Sumatra,

but you didn't go in search

of exotic wildlife?

It's a much more emotive search, in

a way, for you, and it all started

20 years ago, didn't it?

Yes, I was

making wildlife film 20 years ago in

Sumatra and I had the honour of

meeting a hunter gatherer tribes who

were working there in the rainforest

at that time and it was a life

changing moment for me. It was the

first time I met perfect human

beings, and I always see perfection

in other species but I had struggled

at that point to see any perfection

on ours, given our impact on the

planet. I mean, there are attractive

human beings, Audrey Hepburn being

at

at the top of my list...

Good

choice, Chris!

But as a species I

struggled to like them until I met

the Orang Rimba. When I first saw

them, I watched them moving and they

had an extraordinary grace, and they

didn't look at us with envy, they

didn't want our cameras or our

shoes, because they had no need for

that.

Or concept, probably.

What

they had that we didn't have was a

habitat. What is my habitat? What is

yours? Mine is destructive,

consumptive, but they existed in

harmony and sustainably in that

rainforest and they were so

beautiful. We were filming, so I

didn't have a lot of time, but I

took one single photograph of a

child, and that has become an idyll

for me, something that reflected all

of those thoughts. I thought, 20

years have passed, there has been an

enormous amount of change and

pressure on the world and I wonder

whatever happened to that girl I

photographed all of those years ago.

And it is a beautiful photograph.

We

are just seeing it there.

When you

were setting out on this, what were

your thoughts?

There's a moment in the film

where your partner Charlotte talks

about the effect not

finding the girl might have

on you emotionally -

were you prepared to fail?

The story might have turned out not

what you had wanted to hear?

I

turned that story of her tribe she

represented in to hope, hope for

humanity. Like all of us, and we

have discussed plastic and our

negative impacts on the environment,

and I always sort of hoped that out

there in that forest, that sweaty

environment with all those animals,

that this group of people were still

living in harmony, and perfectly,

still as beautiful. But of course I

had my doubts.

had my doubts. You shouldn't really

look over your shoulder, look what

happened to Lot's wife. But I

decided to go and have a look for

her on that last vestige of humanity

that was beautiful.

And this is the

remarkable thing. You're amazing

memory made it possible for you to

go back to exactly the same spot,

which helped your search, because

you didn't have much hope.

We didn't

know her name, the names of any of

her family, her tribe, and because

of the changes in the roads, we

didn't know where the meeting had

taken place. But we picked up a few

clues and we drove down the road,

and people like myself, we have

discussed the Asperger's before, we

have a different way of seeing the

world and very good memories, so all

of those shapes came together, and I

know it sounds bizarre that someone

could go to a rainforest 20 years

later and find the exact spot, but

we got out the original photos and

we matched the trees, so we knew

that we were in the right spot, and

then we knew which group had been

there in 98, and that really got the

detective mission going then. We had

something to go on.

So the actual

environment hadn't changed very

much?

One or two of the principal

trees hadn't been felled, so there

was enough from me to be able to

recognise the location, and we spoke

to people who worked with these

tribe subsequently and they knew the

tribe who had been a local area. But

I also then went to meet the tribe,

and I have some artefact here, these

have become some of the most

precious things in my life. I spent

sometime living with these people,

and I went fishing using this

harpoon gun

harpoon gun which the man...

Robson

Green would have loved that!

I

didn't get any fish, the gentleman

gave me this harpoon gun and I gave

him my nice new pair of goggles to

update them. They gave me some

necklaces as well, and I have got

two, so there you go.

Charlotte

might want that.

I have put them in

the freezer to make sure there are

no bugs in them. And these other

little pots they use which are

beautifully woven out of ratan,

which is a climber, and I shall

treasure these for the rest of my

life, but not as much as I treasure

the opportunity to spend some time

with people who actually made me

feel very unhuman, very

self-conscious and humble by the

fact of all I could just never be as

good as they were, you know? And the

kids out there, they were just

sprinting through the jungle on

their own, every day, with no fear

of snakes or thorns or disease and

the parents have no fear about their

safety, because there is no reason

to fear it. It is just the most

amazing thing.

It is a pure

existence.

Can we all go and live

there?

You want to go and look this.

-- watch this.

Chris Packham: In Search

Of The Lost Girl is on Sunday

night at 9 on BBC2.

The story of the rainforest and

everything is all in there.

There's no doubt that our

understanding of complex diseases

and conditions is improving

all the time - thanks to the hard

work being done at research

facilities like the one

we're about to see.

First, Dr Sarah Jarvis

has a question for you.

What's made up of 75% water,

generates enough energy to light

bulb and takes over 20 years to

develop fully? It's the brain. And

I'm here to meet a woman who has

more than one. In fact, she's got

600 of them. Doctor Laura Palmer

manages the South West dementia

brain bank, part of the University

of Bristol. People have been

donating brains here for over 30

years.

So we do have tissue

remaining from some of our earliest

owners, -- earliest donors, and that

tissue are still available today.

Vascular dementia and Alzheimer's

are two of the most common kinds of

dementia we want to study. There are

ten brain banks in the UK, each with

their own specialisation, and once a

donor has died, it is essential they

receive the brain as soon as

possible to prevent deterioration.

They have both healthy and diseased

brains, and when cross sections of

them are compared, you can see the

difference.

The person with

Alzheimer's has much less brain

tissue. At the back you can see the

hippocampus, so that is the main

area in the brain that important in

learning and memory. It also tends

to be the first structure that is

affected by Alzheimer's disease.

And

further tests show what's causing

the disease.

So everything that

you're seeing that Brown is this

abnormal sticky protein called

beta-amyloid which is found in the

brains of people with Alzheimer's.

It is toxic to cells and we know it

causes cell death.

As research

continues, donors I needed. But

brains are not included on the

normal organ donation form. That

wish us to be registered separately.

I'm planning to, but would you?

Identity. Brain feels a bit weird.

Because it's like my thoughts and

ideas and stuff.

I suppose it's no

different than any other organ.

It

depends, where you think conscience,

your consciousness, is seated, I

would say.

I'm a firm believer that

once we are done with it, it should

be made available.

Susan from Welch

is one person who has already signed

up to donate her brain after she

died. Both her mother and aunt had

dementia.

My mother in the last

three months of her life really

wasn't quite sure who I was, and

that is very hard for a relative. My

aunt was always very busy, but the

last year or so, she kept hiding

things and forgetting to eat.

Her

art wanted her body left to medical

science and to help with research

into dementia, her brain was donated

to the brain bank.

She always wanted

to help other people and I thought

by continuing to do this, having

some family history is useful for

the brain bank.

Susan is keen to see

the work done here, so we've brought

her along to meet Laura.

So I'm

going to show you a half hemisphere

of a brain from someone with a

diagnosis of dementia. We can see

that there are some quite prominent

dips and grooves in the surface of

the brain. This is where some of the

tissue has been lost. Soap cell

death occurs in Alzheimer's disease.

When we compare that with the person

who didn't have any memory problems

when they died, we can see that the

area of the brain is much more

tightly packed. We don't have such

large dips and grooves.

I had

suspected that maybe the brain might

shrink a bit if you got Alzheimer's,

but I didn't know what it would look

like, and I'm really glad for my

aunt and myself that I donating to

her brain, because hopefully it will

help others.

It certainly will.

Dementia never affects just one

person. It affects whole families.

But with the amazing work that brain

banks like this are doing, it could

mean that one day there might just

be a world without dementia.

Organ donation, in general,

is something we've talked

about many times on the show,

and it's always great

to hear when our coverage

has made a difference.

Back in April 2016, we met

the family of ten-year-old

Evie Staley who was killed

by a drunk driver.

Her parents, Neal and Penny,

made the brave decision

to meet Scarlett -

the little girl who

received Evie's heart.

A decision that undoubtedly

helped to save more lives.

We were pulling out of the drive,

and got hit by a car.

I remember

waking up and being told by the

doctor the Evie had not made it and

she had died.

We made the decision

that we would go ahead with organ

donation, and it was as simple as

that.

I have got a special heart.

that.

I have got a special heart.

So

you have got Evie's heart. What

happened to her?

She died and she's

an angel now.

In some ways, it does

ease some of the grief.

That had a big effect on all of us.

With us now are Nicola,

Ellie and George Newnes,

who were watching the show

that night, along with

their dad Darren.

What happened in your house that

night?

I grew up on the Isle of

Wight, and I was watching that with

my husband, and it sparked a simple

conversation about organ donation,

and I turned to him, because I'm on

the register, and I said, you do

know I have got the donor card, and

that is what I would like. And he

said, yes, of course. And I said,

what about you? You are not on the

register. But would you want to help

people? If you are in the worst

situation, that is what you would

want, isn't it? And he said, yes, of

course. And it was just a rarely

brief and simple conversation, not

knowing that a few months down the

line, that I would be in that

dreadful situation.

But it was lucky

you have had the conversation,

because then when the worst happened

and you lost your husband, you could

act quickly, couldn't you? And union

exactly what to do. And in turn,

your dad saved five other lives. So

what do you say, Nicola, to couples

and families out there who haven't

had that conversation and aren't

clear about what your parents, your

partners, your husband, your wife,

wants?

I think it is important to

have that conversation. If you are

looking at a programme like this or

you see it on social media, you

spark a simple conversation. It

doesn't come up every day, but we

should be more aware of it, because

it is just so important when I was

in that situation, because I knew

his wishes, I knew that that was

what he wanted. It took a lot of the

responsibility away from me. I knew

what he wanted, and it is difficult

when you are in that situation, it

is a huge responsibility.

So to have

the clarity helps, he is a legend,

saving five people's lives. After

featuring Evie's story on the show,

there was a 70% spike in the number

of people signing up to be donors,

so hopefully tonight we will do the

same. All the details are on our

website, and wherever you stand on

organ donation, please make sure you

discuss it with your loved ones, and

thank you to the three of you.

And we can all have our say too

on the public consultation that's

currently under way to decide

whether England and Northern Ireland

should adopt an opt-out system

like the one in Wales.

Trevor, you have been involved in a

campaign.

To get more black and ethnic

minority donors to sign up -

something you've been

involved in in the past -

why's the message not getting

through, do you think?

In different cultures, there is a

lot of fear to giving blood organ

donation, things like that. A lot of

it comes from your parents and the

generation before them, and I think

that the next generation will be a

lot more in step with and in tune

with the need to do this. I don't

want to sound like a hypocrite, but

we were just talking, I was aware of

it, you have had a card for years,

and I said, I've got to have a card,

where is my card? It is moments like

this where you realise it is so

important. This spike you were

talking about is because people

think about it, and do you have to

have the whole family around you

discuss it, or would you just shocks

if something happens to you

suddenly? That you have a donor

card.

It is just worth having that

conversation.

It is a horrible

conversation to have, but you've got

to have it.

If you are interested at

home, and you once of information,

then there is the information.

I was

renewing my RAC membership, and

there was a box to take to be an

organ donor, and I ticked the box.

Simple as that.

Right, it's time to talk Vera now,

because Brenda's back in that mac

again, taking on the criminals

of the north-east.

Here you are, in the mac!

We found

his wallet in his pocket. He went

for a swim, folded up his clothes,

nice and neat.

Folded up his

clothes? Do you see anything at all

in his bedroom that was folded? It's

like a tip. A teenage lad would have

just kicked off his jeans and left

them where they fell. This all seems

too contrived.

You might want to

come and see this.

Nobody loves Northumberland more

than me, and I know that feeling,

cold, and getting warm after that

clip. Do you ever wish that may be

you could do Poirot or Miss Marple,

somewhere warmer?

Yes, Seleucia or

somewhere. But it was just beautiful

there. That was filmed up near

Kielder Forest,.

And Vera is popular

the world over. I was recently in

New Zealand with my parents, and we

watched episode after episode.

Sorry

about that!

You are surprised at how

popular it is with younger people as

well.

Sometimes you would have to police

then when you were filming.

Sometimes we would get a crowd of

people chanting, Vera, Vera! And we

had to get them to police the whole

crowd for us, telling them we were

about to start filming. And I would

do all the filming signs, turning,

and they were great. And we went to

the Crane Festival at Harrowgate, an

annual festival, and the last time

there

there was a Q&A, and it was great,

and a lad of 12 stood up, and he

said me and my friends, we watch

Vera and it's our favourite

programme. I told him I was really

astonished and I asked why and he

said because the stories were always

so good and she was so funny, so we

were really flattered.

And we have

it on good authority that you are

quite a stickler as far as the grips

in the plot are concerned. You're

the first one on the phone having

the conversation?

If I am reading

and the script lands on the doormat,

I read it. If I suss it out early

on, it goes back to the drawing

board. It's no good if I can work it

out!

Well, you are the detective.

But not on page three!

And people

like it because it is complex. You

don't guess. There are so many

twists and turns, but you two fans

murder mysteries?

I do like one.

I

don't mind...

I do.

You can see if

you don't!

I don't like the

Hollywood ones which are

too easy.

If I get it after the first two

minutes I think it is boring.

You

need Vera in your life!

Lake with

Colombo, and you know who it is up

front. Yes, you didn't need

to be a

detective to figure it out.

They are

pretty good at keeping the audience

guessing.

I think one of the

greatest ever is Scooby Doo!

LAUGHTER

And at the end you're like who,

what, I didn't see it!

LAUGHTER

Vera is 71 and she rules the

roost...

Brenda is 71, Vera's not!

Well, I didn't want to give your age

away... But seeing you in such a

strong role.

Yes, not reliant on

lipstick, or she doesn't look like

she has walked off the catwalk. They

did do a bit of work. And the

costume is cleverly designed,

everything finishing at hip height

so it makes it wider, because in the

novels, and grieve's novels, she is

very tall, very big, and I'm not.

I'm five foot two.

I'm five foot two. -- Anne Cleave's

novels.

And you do your own stunts?

If you call steering your key stunt!

LAUGHTER

And we get to see Vera's personal

side. And you actually live next

door to Kenny, who plays aiding?

Yes, for a cup of sugar...

You get

on brilliantly. And Vera is on ITV

this Sunday, and if you have missed

any of the series so far, you can

get the box set.

A lot of catching

up to do!

up to do! Yes, Winterwatch next

week, nothing to do!

It was nice to see another

BBC wildlife presenter,

Sir David Attenborough,

and the Blue Planet II

get their impact award at the NTAs

last night for highlighting

the damage caused by

single-use plastic.

And anyone watching over the last

few weeks will know it's a cause

close to our hearts.

I know we have been talking about it

already this evening.

Tonight we're giving

the big supermarkets,

restaurants and fast food chains

a bit of a break and asking how it's

possible for entire towns

and villages to go plastic-free.

Here's Lucy.

These Welsh business owners are on a

mission.

I came down from West Wales

today.

To make Aberporth the first

village in Wales to go plastic free.

We brought them here to Penzance.

The place which last month was

awarded the first plastic free town

status in the UK, and we want to

harvest some tips from this

community on turning the plastic

tied for those following in its

wake. Aberporth cafe owners have

already replaced their single use

plastic with biodegradable straws

and cups, but will Helen Swift, who

runs Archie Brown 's cafe in

Penzance, have any more tips?

If

people come in with their own

containers we will charge them left

for their takeaway. If they buy a

multiple use cup we will give them a

free copy when they buy it and we

will then give them money off every

coffee after that.

Are you going to

be this generous?

Will have to wait

and see what happens! We will have

to work on this.

It is certainly a

good idea.

Things are going well,

but both sets of cafe owners have

concerns about the recycling of

their biodegradable containers.

We

are taking away business, taking

away from our premises, you put it

in the Ben An what does the council

do afterwards?

It would be better if

it could be the compost it is all

local authorities had proper compost

facilities for the food waste, which

they don't and unfortunately we

don't in Cornwall.

Archie Brown 's

is just one of 15 dedicated plastic

free businesses in Penzance. Others

include the Chippy...

For years I

was stuck with polystyrene cups to

sell mushy peas and gravy but these

are biodegradable, looks plastic but

it is made of starch.

The grocers...

They have either paper bags, jute

bags...

And the coffee van man...

It

is made with oil liner.

But does it

come at a cost? Let's just talk

expense.

Twice as expensive as a

cheaper cup.

That is hard to bear?

It is not a huge expense, Coffey is

a huge mark-up.

Said it easier for

some businesses than others. For

example, here in Penzance there is

not one butcher who has been brave

enough to take the challenge. Jill

Sutton, who runs a gift shop in the

Welsh town -- a Welsh town nine

miles from Aberporth, is concerned

about some of her more tricky

products.

In the shop we have a

number of products that come with a

very nice label, and then we have

these little plastic hang tags.

Oh,

no! We don't want that. That is a

horrible little bit of plastic and

also the sort of plastic that breaks

easily and could end up being eaten

by wild life. As for getting James

who runs the Glan Mardi takeaway, he

is worried he would find other

supplier who will meet his demand

for eco-friendly products -- Gethin

James who runs the Glenmardy

takeaway.

I didn't realise Coffey

cops weren't recyclable.

They do the

wooden cutlery, the whole lot, all

of it.

The main thing from the visit

today, find suppliers that would

mean I can take up to 10,000

coffeecups out of the stream with

just one business.

With all these

businesses already on board, I thee

any closer to being awarded that

all-important plastic free status?

-- are they any closer. Hugo is from

the group Servers against Sewage

will run the plastic free project.

What do individual businesses have

to do? El Ahmadi have to commit to

eliminating replacing at least three

items of single use plastic they

currently use. --

yes, they have to

commit. They need to engage the

local council, get them on board

with a plastic free agenda. We have

hundreds of communities around the

UK working towards the status and it

has only been going a few months and

we have been overwhelmed by the

response.

After what they have

learned in Penzance today, well

Aberporth officially become the

first place in Wales to go plastic

free?

STUDIO:

They did learn quite a lot

from Penzance, it turns out. Some

good news?

good news?

Aberporth has attained

plastic free status!

APPLAUSE

Well done.

Well done.

But so has Tynemouth.

Well done. They are joining them as

we saw and leading the nation. Very

good work. We also wanted to speak

about supermarkets again, and I know

I keep going on about this. We have

a little update for you. 200 MPs

across party have written to the

major supermarkets, the nine major

ones, asking them what they will do

to eliminate plastics in their

supply chain by 2023. We know from

last week Iceland, the retailer not

the country, they have pledged to

eliminate plastic waste in their

supply chain by that date, and

Waitrose has announced they are

getting rid of all the black plastic

trees we spoke about which are very

difficult to recycle. So that is a

little update. Supermarkets are

important because there is so much

plastic waste. 800,000 tonnes a year

is generated in the UK and just to

give you a visual that would be like

an industrial skip that goes end to

end from London to Sydney full of

plastic waste.

That is ridiculous!

Oh, dear.

Our trusted viewers once

more are coming and their droves

saying what you should do at home

with lots of tips and ideas to

reduce plastic.

Yes, they have been

consistently excellent.

Lots of viewers telling us they have

switched back to the milkman and

glass bottles and doorstep

deliveries, so really old school.

This tallies with the national

picture where customers with milk

deliveries have been up over the

last to my ears. We heard from Mark

in Wales who has been in the

business for 35 years and he says

following the recent stuff around

plastics and the profile he has been

inundated with inquiries -- the last

two years. He has had to refurbish

his 45-year-old milk float.

Getting

there!

I will briefly leave you all

and go to my plastic free gallery

over here. So I will give you some

more great tips we have had from

viewers. This one from Cambridge.

Antonella recommends using beeswax

wrap instead of cling film which can

be washed and reusable, very good

idea. Mickey Browning's daughter in

law introduced reusable bread bags

which she says keep spread really

fresh. And Becky from Portsmouth

sent in a picture. This is her

bamboo straws. Thank you. Emma

Thompson from London with all her

refillables and reusables including

a bamboo toothbrush, very good. If

you wanted to you could also get

toothpaste in a jar which I think

not many people know about to reduce

the plastic in your bathroom, and

these are all excellent tips you

have been sending in so keep them

coming. Some of these products are

biodegradable and we have had a

little confusion over that because

they don't degrade in landfill

because there is no oxygen so it is

not the right conditions, so they

need to go into compost is, and what

we are doing here is obviously

switching from single use plastic to

refillables and reusables. Because

it is not the best use of plastic

and there are other places that can

go. We love your tips and ideas,

they are invaluable, so please keep

them coming.

Thank you! I was

thinking, you could trade that

necklace for that bamboo toothbrush,

you might quite like that, Chris. We

will

be talking to Trevor about his

new album to put you in the mood for

Love, coming up.

But at a time when gender

equality is grabbing more

headlines than ever,

do we need to rewrite the

more-traditional rules of romance?

It's one for Esther.

Handsome gentleman, I need your

advice, all of you. You know it is

the age of equality, equal rights,

equal pay. But when you go on a

first date, who pays the dinner?

The

gentleman, I am old school.

Always

the gentleman?

These days, they tend

to share. In our day, the man used

to pay.

Did I? Do remember! Where

did he take you on your first date?

The Playboy club.

What?! Hello, I'm

looking for a handsome gentleman.

What is your problem?

When you take

out a lady on a date, who pays?

In

my country, we pay. Greece. How are

you, my dear friend?

And very good.

I think I was flirting with him,

actually. Are you enjoying that?

I

will buy you a coffee.

Maybe I

should pave the yours. Does he

always pick up the tab?

Yes, he

does.

When you went on your first

date with your now husband, when you

were...

? 26.

I would have been

happy to pay, but this is his

mother. And my mother. So all those

years of marriage, you have never

split the bill?

No. In the years I

was working, I would occasionally

treat my husband, as a, I would like

to take you out, do something lovely

for you.

Shut the man paid?

Personally, I think you should.

Do

you ever offered to pick up the

bill?

With my husband, no.

When you

go out for a meal, does she

sometimes pick up the bill?

Sometimes. She doesn't like to

depend on me for everything.

Give

her my love, tell her how lucky you

are to have her!

That has got a lot of people talking

right across the nation. Where do

you stand on this, Chris?

I think it

splits both ways. It should be the

old 50/50, it is nice to be able to

give and to receive, so sometimes I

pay for a meal if I take Charlotte

Heard, and sometimes she pays for

me.

Same as ours, and it is not just men

and women these days. It is all over

the place. Anybody can pay. Just be

nice to each other!

Should the

person who does the inviting pay?

Yes, if you are in a relationship

already, you know the rules. It is

when you don't.

The person doing the

inviting should definitely have the

funds, in case it all goes wrong.

Nothing should be taken for granted.

So what happened today when you

invited me for lunch?

LAUGHTER

So that's why you did it, to stick

it in there!

Just kidding.

So,

Trevor, is a gig a good place for a

first date?

Not the cinema, that is

awkward, do you sit at the back, do

you sit in the middle, sit at the

front, do front, do you do that,

awkward! Go to a gig, have a great

time, the focus is on somebody else

other than you, no uncomfortable

silences, bottles, great mood, take

it from there, see how it goes.

A

twinkle in his, look at that.

That

wouldn't have worked with the Ramon

is a 1977! We would have stood there

in silence getting blasted.

We are

going to put some music on now,

because we are in the mood for Slow

Jams. There is a definite vibe to

this, and arriving through Port

Talbot on a Monday morning wasn't

quite right. It has a lot of R&B on

it, a lot of songs with the same

sort of rhythm, shall we say. When

do you expect people to listen to

this album?

I know where you are

going with this, the lights have

gone red, I am an R&B DJ, and I know

there are many love songs. I don't

play these in my bedroom. But I play

them to chill out in my car. I love

them in different situations. As I

have got older, things have changed,

I don't use them as a tool. I just

love this music. I have been

compiling songs since I did playlist

at school. Becomes very naturally,

since I had a Sony Walkman.

Was it

the yellow one?

Yes! Terrible

headphones, but I used to put

playlists together, and now I do a

radio show, so for 30 years I have

compiled stuff every week.

A lot of

work with, three CDs.

My first gig

was at a school disco, because I was

too nervous to ask girls to dance,

and we went to a boys school, so

imagine that. We had to ship a load

of girls in, and I said, I will DJ,

I have got loads of music, and I

played Marvin Gaye, Let's Get It On

at the end. And I relies I had

something, I could select music, and

I was quite good at it. So I stopped

doing compilations, I had a good run

recently sold quite a few, and the

record company said, you haven't

done a Slow Jams one, have you, and

I said, no, and I really do love a

lot of these slow tunes.

What is

your go to romantic song, Chris and

Brenda?

For me, it is Pure by the

Lightning Seeds. My dogs would both

Howell to it. When my mother died,

we put in the ground, and they stood

at the side of the grave, and we

used to think it was hysterical, I

played it on my phone and they both

Howell that it was very romantic

moment.

Mine is Carole King, Will

You Still Love Me Tomorrow.

And you

inject mood into your programmes

with the music?

Not like this!

Normally a bit more lively.

And

Trevor, you had a 30 year career, so

influential in producing Britain's

R&B, so what was it back then about

that music that you wanted to share?

I genuinely don't believe you pick a

music picks you. Something hits you,

you can't lie about your taste in

music is what it is. And I used to

be, at 13, I loved music that

80-year-olds like, and I have always

loved soul music. And I got the

opportunity on Radio 1, a

magnificent moment for me, to do the

first national R&B show, and it made

a hell of a lot to me, and now I

meet people who say, it got me

through uni, you got me through

this, and it changed my taste in

music because I read as this is what

I like, and that of the DJ, you get

the opportunity, and every show I

treat like I am compiling an album,

I genuinely do. I take hours and

hours on every show that I do.

Well, Slow Jams is out now, just in

time for Valentine's Day.

Perfect!

Now, prepare to be amazed,

because our next guest is a magician

who's impressed the likes of Penn

and Teller with his

incredible card tricks -

so much so that he got a job

supporting them in Las Vegas.

Pretty incredible for a man

they call "the sleight

of no hands magician".

Please welcome Mahdi Gilbert.

CHEERING

OK, Madhi, in your own time.

This is

one of the tricks I have been doing

the longest, it uses three red cards

and three black cards, and something

that I don't have but I will need to

borrow from one of you in a moment,

your two hands.

I will do it.

It's

OK, she will do it, but it's OK.

First we mix the cards, a red card

in between each and every one of the

black cards.

What have I got to do?

You don't do anything. You watch.

So, a black, and a read.

Can you interlace your fingers? Put

your fingers apart, put one hand on

top of the other, and because you do

that over there, the same thing

happens, every single one of the

blacks is over here, and every

single one of the Reds is over

there.

APPLAUSE

One of the oldest rules in magic is

that you never repeat the same trick

twice, but I don't follow the rules,

so I will do it again.

Some cards face up, some face down.

The blacks and the Reds.

And can you interlace your fingers

one more time? Put your finger is

apart, put one hand on top of the

other, and because you do that over

there, the same thing once again

happens over here, every single one

of these is a black, and you take

the red. Put a card down.

Any one?

Yes, you put one and I will put

another, there you go, and it is OK

if we chat. I want everybody to see

that they are interlaced, one by

one. We have red and black and red

and black. We will separate these

two piles, and once they are

separated, they will never touch

again. With these cards over here,

and these cards over here, and I

will show you all the card so that

there is no doubt as to what is

where. Here we have red and black

and red, and here, black and red and

black. And can you both interlace

your fingers? I would do it myself,

but I have to do the magic. Only if

you believe in magic, pull your

fingers apart and put one hand on

top of the other, and if this works,

only if it works, now, every single

one of the red cards should be over

here, and over here, every single

one of the blacks.

APPLAUSE

That is mesmerising.

I have no idea

how he did that.

And how did you

find magic? Or was it the other way

around?

I always wanted to do magic,

when I was a little kid I always

felt like so many things were

possible for me, and I thought if I

became a Jewish and I would be able

to do anything.

And as we said, Penn and Teller have

singled you out and said you are the

future, you have toured with them in

Las Vegas and played to an audience

of 550 million in China.

It has gone

pretty wild, yes.

And what are your

hopes for the future?

I don't know,

I guess maybe get to 1 billion or

six. I want the whole world to fall

in love with magic and love it as

much as I love it.

And you are an

absolute advocate for practising and

finding your own way of doing

whatever it is, but it has been

fantastic, once again, Madhi

Gilbert!

APPLAUSE

And if you'd like to see more

of Mahdi's magic, he's performing

at The Vault Festival here in London

from the 31st of January.

Super job.

Chris, we have to talk

about the return of Winterwatch.

You're back in the

Cotswolds next eek.

Anything you're particularly

excited to see?

The weather we have been having

lately, this will be a challenge.

Not all the rain and wind that we

had today, because that will have a

huge impact on what we have. But we

have some experiments we are setting

up to see which farmland birds might

be coming in and how they use their

beaks to each different seas. We

have been Carl Rimmer more badgers,

because the badgers in that part of

Gloucestershire are behaving quite

strangely, so we will find that more

than that. -- collaring more

badgers. And we're going to Scotland

to look at these as well.

And what

is your schedule?

Monday to

Thursday, we start at the later time

of nine o'clock.

Trevor, you had to build

a new window at home

to enjoy your favourite view?

We know you like a fish pond, but he

has also built a special window so

that he can see it.

This is his carp

pond!

I bought a house, and builders

had built a pond which was not good

for the fish, so most of those fish

in there are injured.

So they were

there when you moved in?

So you

renovated their pond?

I got a

specialist in and he said, this is

not a good pond for these fish, so

before I even got the heating sorted

in my house, I said, I am going to

save them, I built this great big

pond, it is like a summing pool but

the fish.

You will be on the next

Springwatch if you are not careful!

Have you got otters? That is what we

need on our programmes.

That's it for tonight.

Thanks to our guests,

Chris, Brenda and Trevor.

Trevor's album Slow Jams is out now,

series eight of Vera is released

on DVD on the 28th of February

and you can see Chris Packham:

In Search of the Lost Girl on Sunday

night at nine on BBC Two.

Tomorrow night, Julia

Bradbury will be here.

See you then!