27/10/2016 The One Show

Please welcome to The One Show, Strictly star, Judge Rinder.

Lovely to see you. Thanks for having me. It's lovely to talk to you about

your experiences. I have been watching videos of both of you.

Don't watch me! You were amazing. He was. We're very much looking forward

to talking about Strictly and finding out what you've got planned,

because your dance partner, Oksana, is here as well.

But first, can we clear something up?

We know you as Judge Rinder, but you're not strictly a judge?

Lots and lots of serious cases as a barrister. You never know what will

happen in life. A few years ago, I was making serious submissions in

serious cases, some with international significance. Fast

forward three years... Dressed as a Flintstone! I was wearing lederhosen

when Boris Becker walked past. He said, you look nice, I was wearing

that two weeks ago. Whatever your adoring, -- whatever you're doing...

We need first name terms. You can call me Judge! Call me Robert.

Rob's not the only person connected to law and order here tonight.

Shortly, we'll be joined by an ex-MI5 officer who spent

nearly a decade undercover, trying to keep the public safe

from some of the UK's most dangerous terrorists.

Last week, we were reminded of just how severe the current threat level

is, after a suspicious package on a train led

But where our security is concerned, how vigilant are the British public?

Trish Adudu has been to Coventry to find out.

Coventry's west Orchard shopping centre attracts more than 6 million

shoppers each year. Like other public places across the UK, its

security teams are always on the lookout for any suspicious items

left unattended. However, they also rely on us, the public, to be alert

too. So, are we up to the task? We are going to put the people here to

the test to find out just how security conscious the people of

Coventry. The atrium is the busiest thoroughfare, an ideal place for me

to accidentally leave my suitcase. As it sits unattended, we'll monitor

how many report it, and how many simply walk on by. To help, I've

recruited former head of the counterterrorism security office,

Chris Phillips. Why is it so important to do this experiment? We

have seen terrorist attacks across Europe, and more recently, and

attacking New York website bombs were left. These things are lethal.

It's really important that people act in the right way. -- pipe bombs.

I think that Coventry people are vigilant. I hope you're right. We go

to the cafe to keep an eye on how people react. Everyone in the

shopping centre staff is in on the experiment. If anyone wants to

report the case, there is a security guard a few doors down. It has been

there for 30, 40 minutes, and not one person has clocked that the

suitcases there. So, why have people simply ignored it? You did not

notice a big suitcase as you walk through, did you? No. Should I have

done? Sometimes it is a debate, isn't it? You just go where you have

to get. I have a train to catch, so I wasn't focusing on the

environment. This couple have spent eight minutes standing next to the

suitcase and haven't noticed it, so why go over and point it out. Can

you see it now? It just goes to show you how easy it is to miss something

that's so obvious. How do you feel? Is even more scary, the fact that we

didn't notice. After 50 minutes, someone finally takes notice. I am

an ex-soldier and I am always aware that if something has been left, you

should wonder what is in it. You did a double-take. I wanted to see if

there was anybody nearby, but when there didn't seem to be, I thought

I'd better report it. Good man. Chris has been counting the numbers

of shoppers who do and don't notice the bag. He noticed something about

their behaviour. They are so intent on what they are doing that they are

not paying attention to the surroundings. In the control room is

the head of security. I think we are very quickly to lapse back into our

normal ways. We can't see everything all the time, and we need that

vigilance from people. It's imperative that they report it. A

couple of looks, and they pointed, but they've done nothing. Are they

going to report it? They are walking past the guy on the phone Stan. They

are walking straight out of the centre! Eventually, more people do

report the suitcase. it didn't look right at all. It was also a dirty

bag. I thought, it is not normal luggage. I thought, a case. It took

me aback for a minute. You have to be aware of these things these days.

We do if we see something suspicious -- what should we do? This man is

from the counterterrorism office. Don't be embarrassed, get someone in

the shops to speak to security, get security for the centre down. If you

can't do that, dial 999 and involve the police. Time for me to reclaim

my case and find out how other Coventry's shoppers are. Hundreds of

people walked past this suitcase in a time it was there, and only 20

people reported it. That's dreadful! It shows that people are in their

own bubble. Everyone is in a hurry these days. Some of the ones who

spotted it are in the older generation, and they have a bit more

time on their hands. Wow! The people of Coventry aren't as vigilant as

they ought to be put up from now on, I know I will be keeping my eyes

open. For now, it's case closed! To protect the true identity

of our next guest, we've had to temporarily clear out tonight's

audience and close down Tom Marcus, not his real name, spent

nearly a decade deep undercover, working as a mobile

surveiallance officer for MI5. His new book, Soldier Spy,

tells the story of his career. The security threat level in the UK

currently stands at severe - if people watching this knew

what you know, would they be I think, absolutely reassured,

especially in this country. The purpose of Soldier Spy is to get the

other side of that story that hasn't come until now, been told. One

people watch the news, it is easy to be funnelled into the idea that

we're living in a dangerous world, under attack. The purpose of the

book is to tell the story that there are people out there relentlessly

hunting these people down, putting ourselves between them and you. You

are safe and we have your security completely under control. How did

you go about hunting these people down?

I will be on the streets every day, day and night, with other

surveillance teams, tasked to watch everything that are potential

targets or people of interest do. And we would notice. We have other

strands of the service that watch and analyse their electronic

activity, internet and stuff like that, but we were on the ground,

watching absolutely everything they did. They never know we are there.

It is important that they don't, because we can't get tied up in the

prosecutions of these people. We need to be on the streets to stop

these attacks happening. You talk about a lot of different cases in

the book. In one instance, you foiled a bomb plot that was intended

to kill a bus full of children. How did you manage that? There are lots

of potentially scary attacks that happen. We have been extremely

successful, but this particular one, we knew the target was intent on

committing mass murder. We knew that his interest was a local school. We

just didn't know the final details. We watched him day and night. We saw

him going into the prayers at his local mosque. His bruising had got

bigger, which meant he was praying harder, which often means that it is

getting closer to an attack. As people left the moss, I had counted

the female worshippers going in, and when they left, there were two more

female worshippers in burqas than there were going in, so that alerted

me to the fact that he had potentially changed his identity to

slip out of the net. The teams searching for all these possible

targets who resembled this individual. I was trying to blend

into the streets, and as these two extra figures walk past, I noticed

the garment rise up, and this figure had the same sandals as our target

had going into the mosque. It was a good indicator that he was

potentially our guide, but we still didn't know. He eventually went to a

local house, dressed back into male clothing, shake his beard off and

got into a local vehicle. We got a partial registration plate, passed

that back to the intelligence officers and they came up with a

background intelligence that it was our target. We called in executive

action, which is a hard arrest, to stop the attack happening. Looking

back, how do you describe your state of mind but that ten years? How

intends to live that life? For me, I didn't grow up wanting to work for

MI5. I fell into it, being recruited from the military. It is something I

was always kind of good at. Coming from a broken home, I was never

bullied as a kid, but I was always the scrappy in the corner -- the

scrappy kid in the corner that no one paid attention to. The pace of

operations is so fast that you don't really deal or think the potential

traumas have been through that day. Ultimately, that compounded and

built up, and the service diagnosed me with post-traumatic stress

disorder and I had to read. It's almost like a compounded effect if

you don't talk about things, and you don't have time to deal with it.

Quickly, lots of people don't think we have the resources to track down

people who need tracking down. Can you put our mind at ease in terms of

that? And he got a grip on it? Absolutely. Anyone reading Soldier

Spy will come away with the idea that you are in the safest place in

the world. I never felt we didn't have enough money or resources. When

we are hunting these guys down, we are relentless in controlling them.

If you want to stay at home in the middle of the day eating Pot

Noodles, you can because we have it under control and you are completely

safe. The book, Soldier Spy, is on sale now.

Right, we're moving on from MI5 to the M25.

Here's Arthur with the story of a ring-road that is soon

This Capri was on the road 30 years ago, which is when the M25 was

built. It's lovely in a retro sort of way, unlike that horror... Yes,

it's the M25's birthday. Have you had some bunting out? Probably not.

It does have some fans, but it's more widely known as the road to

hell. It was controversial when it was only a dream, and were big

protests and no fewer than 39 Public enquiries. 11 years to build, with

more than 3 million tonnes of asphalt. One of the workmen on

junction 27 was Bob Geldof. Mrs Thatcher declared it a showpiece in

engineering. But there was a breakdown just one hour later. I

don't drive myself, but I've got the facts here. This is my vintage copy

of I Spy on the motorway. Things can't have changed that much, can

make, since 1986? Who better to ask than Ray Hamilton, a man who has

driven round the M25 so often he must be giddy. What fascinates you

about the M25? What I love is that it is this seething mass of humanity

on the move, involving commuters, people trying to visit family,

people trying to get to the airport for a flight, truck drivers. I

believe when it opened, it was used by 88,000 cars a day.

The longest one was 49 miles. 234 Newbridge to make it work. What if

there was no M25? If you close the motorway, within a day or two,

traffic around London would have come to a standstill, and within a

week, hospitals would be running out of supplies. Love it or loathe it,

the M25 is keeping us going. There has been some weird and wonderful

road users, a light aircraft piloted by a young man who took off one

night from an airfield. A couple even spend their honeymoon going

round and round in a coach with a double bed in the back. A cyclist,

brazenly pedalling towards Heathrow, and a wild goose chase, every lane

closed. One character with a taste for life in the fast lane walked

right across the M25, we thought we would like to take another look at

where he was found. Here you are! Somehow, he plodded across five

lanes of traffic, in rush hour! Although to be honest, he does not

seem too happy to be back. His new name, Freway, but who is he? One guy

saved some of his waste, to try to get the DNA. We have found out that

he is a Belgian migrant. Freeway Has a new home, and his adopted country

has held out hand of friendship. There is another side to the M25,

Alastair Humphreys is an adventurer who has been just about everywhere,

he says a trek nearer home was just as big a challenge. Two of us set

off to try to walk 127 miles around the motorway in one week. Around the

M25? I wanted to show that you don't need to go to the end of the world

to have an adventure, to find beautiful places. It was January,

cold, we slept under a plastic sheet, like hobos. What did you eat?

We live like kings, juicy cheeseburgers, without the burgers,

without the cheese... Ketchup sandwiches! For Alistair, the best

part was on the ancient pilgrims way, just a couple of fields from

how we get about today. I came to appreciate the beauty that we were

on, and how near that was, and nobody really notices the beauty and

the choir and the hills that is so near to them. 126.5 miles to go,

this will keep me going! The M25 was the reason I was

slightly later than usual today... Traffic, traffic, traffic! LAUGHTER

And we're joined by the lady whom we can thank or blame

You have done a brilliant job so far. Halloween is the big one.

Oksana, how are rehearsals going for this weekend's

Halloween is my favourite holiday, I am so super excited. When she

announced that, I was not so surprised. And can we say what might

be happening, as far as? We will be dancing paso doble, to Lady Gaga,

born this way. And we are not taking a traditional approach, we will be a

moth and a butterfly. But with the choreography, still trying to stay

as authentic and true to the dance, so we do have paso steps but... Len

will be pleased, a moth and a butterfly. My father is petrified of

moths, I have got to warn him! Can we mention this, bit of an elusive,

moths and butterflies don't always stay on the ground. That is true...

It is in its cruising, just for you and for the wonderful The One Show,

tomorrow is my first flying lesson... LAUGHTER

I think it is going to be more moth and high-spirited then and would

come, but... That was memorable. You were seventh on the leaderboard,

realistically, what are you hoping for, in the next... I'm going to say

the next few weeks. You know what, I don't know if you felt like this

when you did it but you want to get better every week, and I thought

that we really enjoyed last week, so much fun. I definitely think that we

got better. Oksana, she choreographs everything, people don't realise

that, but also she is an incredible teacher, I get homework... She has

been helping me learn how to dance properly. I don't know how far we

can go but my hope is that we can get better each week. You don't want

to do it just for you, when you talk about dancing with a partner, really

you are dancing with your teacher. I am no Len Goodman, I thought last

week was a lot better. We got an eight. And from Darcy. He wanted to

give us more, he was so overwhelmed... He picked up the

wrong paddle... He was struggling, there was a lot going on. In the US,

you do dancing with the stars, Oksana, how do they compare, the US

programme and the UK programme, are we a bit more homely, he on

Strictly? They are similar, dancing with the stars is a version of

Strictly Come Dancing, of course, strictly come dancing is such a

great show, it has spread all over the world, but this is a great job

for a dancer anywhere. Great difference for me, in America, I did

not have a celebrity dance partner, I was just part of the troupe, doing

the professional numbers. And now it is a completely new journey in my

life! LAUGHTER It was in Los Angeles. And the next

thing, she was standing in my courtroom, and I thought, poor

darling, but there you are. Had you been to Britain before? I have been

to Blackpool, of course! I loved the show, I am such a fan of it. And you

remember, people would say, my whole life... I was on a plane, there was

a movie, some big movie... Jennifer Lopez, she was a ballroom dancer,

and my whole life, all I ever wanted to do was get to Blackpool. I was on

a plane, I had had a glass of champagne...! I thought, OK,

whatever... But it really is the holy Grail, the Mecca, so this meant

the absolute world to Oksana. The Blackpool champion is the biggest

thing ever. It is better than being the world champion. Blackpool

champion is better than being the world champion!? You heard it here!

LAUGHTER We know that Benedict Cumberbatch is

a big friend of yours, any chance we will see him in the audience? At the

moment, as you know, he is promoting his new brilliant film, Doctor

Strange, I just saw it the other day, it is amazing. When he has

finished that, you will have to watch this space... Maybe, we will

see. Before that, you can catch Robert and Oksana and the remaining

contestants at 6:45pm. I keep waving...! Vote for us! You know,

when you are standing at the top... You are standing with them and you

wake yourself. You have no idea why. LAUGHTER

now it's time to meet another member of the team, Andy.

Here's why being involved is so important to him.

Hello, I'm Andy, and I'm in training for the biggest challenge of my

life, the rickshaw challenge. I live near Chesterfield with my mum and my

dad and my two dogs. And I also have a brother, who is at university at

the moment. I'm currently sixth form, in Bakewell, I am doing my

A-levels. Loves all different sorts of sport. He is competitive. He is

quite competitive. He can create competitive shin out of almost

anything. I love being part of any sporting team, but rugby and cricket

are my two main sports. -- pecan crate -- pecan create competition at

of almost anything. I began to feel unwell. He had a weird chest

infection, he had tonsillitis... Started getting headaches, quite

lethargic, my man decided it would be best to take me for a blood test.

They phoned back within two hours and they said, take him back to

hospital now. They sent us to Sheffield Children's Hospital. It

said above the door, oncology and haematology. At which point you

think, well... Really ill! Finding out I had leukaemia, that is

something you just cannot prepare for. No one expects to be given news

like that. Initially I was shocked. Within a day, I was starting having

my treatment, I had a course of chemotherapy. Immediately they took

him up and put a tube through to the heart, for the chemotherapy, putting

it into it. Treatment was horrible. I was so sick, the chemotherapy

makes you really tired. It was painful, some of what he got...

Whenever they were tapping into his spine to take samples... That has an

effect that instantly causes headaches. Some days I would be

thinking, I can deal with this, I am going to show what for... Other days

my mother and I would sit in the hospital and just cry. They then

said, there is a 70% chance that it will come back. But if we have a

bone marrow transplant we can reverse it back the other way. Very

quickly they were starting to try to find donors through the Anthony

Nolan Trust and I was told that they had found me a match and that was

fantastic. He had to have lots of different drugs over the space of

one week, horrible to watch him being poisoned, really... That is

the treatment, the treatment is quite brutal. My involvement with

the Ellen McCarthy Cancer trust started when the doctors and nurses

said that there was an opportunity to go sailing. That would help me to

be more confident, it feels like a proper family, because everybody

understands what every else has been through. They give other people the

opportunity to share experiences about being ill. Or, equally, not do

anything, not say anything, and still be understood. -- Ellen

Macarthur Cancer Trust. I heard about the rickshaw challenge of of

the Ellen Macarthur Cancer Trust. I hope that I will be able to keep

people smiling and at the same time, put effort into making sure we do

the 470 miles in record time. The biggest obstacle of doing the

challenge will be the early-morning. I have got to Spain to him that 5am

actually exists! He is not an early morning person, that might be quite

hard. We are a strong team, and we will be raising money for some

fantastic charities. There is no way that he will give up, he will make

it, Andrew will be there, writes to the last, wet, cold, dark minute. He

will be there. -- right. Interesting hearing that he is not an early

morning person! Absolutely lashing it down.

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That's all for this evening, so thanks to our guests

Judge Rob Rinder and Oksana and also to Tom Marcus.

Now I'll be back with Al Murray tomorrow evening at 7

and we'l be joined by everyone's favourite

Back to training, you too. We will see how you get on on Saturday. Good

night! The tusks of 8,000 African elephants

going up in flames, and it's not completely clear

whether this will change anything. I don't want to have been here

and seen this