28/08/2012 The One Show


Matt Baker and Alex Jones are joined by Ronan Keating and Oscar Pistorius. Larry Lamb is in Dublin to hear about the Irish soldiers who deserted to fight for Britain in WW2.

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Hello and welcome to The One Show with Alex Jones. And Matt Baker. We


are joined by a couple of stadium fillers tonight. The first is a


singer with the most consecutive Top Ten hits in the UK. The other


is a runner who is the first amputee to run in both the Olympic


and Paralympic Games. Please welcome Ronan Keating. I and Oscar


Pistorius! Brilliant to see you both. It is a real treat. Two


lovely looking guys. Three. And you will stay with us for the whole


show. Oscar, we will talk about the Paralympics in a while, but first,


let's cast our mind back to the Olympics. What an incredible


reception he received in the Olympic Stadium. It was absolutely


mind-blowing. I felt like it was my home crowd. It was terrific. At


that moment, my grandmother, 89, was sitting on the home straight.


My family and friends were there. And the Olympic Games are over for


those athletes, but the brilliant thing for you is that it all starts


again. And it is the same. The same stadium, the stadiums are packed


and sold out, and it will be phenomenal. The athletes had


excited and are raring to go. I have seen some of them on the warm-


up track and they look pretty fierce. Have you moved out of the


village, or have you just stay there? It would have been a bit of


a ghost town in between, so I went back to Italy and had a race in


Warsaw, and then I packed my stuff and I have come back. It is nice to


be back in the village. Feels like a bit of deja-vu, but it is great.


I am excited. Ronan, you weren't in London for the Olympics, but you


did see it? I watched most of it. The coverage was unbelievable. What


a backdrop, London. A way you abroad? I was in Portugal with the


kids. I was travelling around Europe doing promo and so on.


you hoping to see the Paralympics? Are I am definitely going to catch


some next week. I have extra tickets. I will take a few of them!


Many of the Paralympic athletes like Oscar have dealt with


disability from childhood, but for some, it can happen suddenly.


time Paralympic gold medallist Marc Woods is in Stoke Mandeville to


find out why sport is so important to people who have had their lives


drastically changed through disability.


I never imagined I would take part in the Paralympic Games, MOBO when


I was 17, I was diagnosed with cancer and had my leg amputated. My


parents encouraged me to get into sport and exercise to help with my


recovery. Was I got into the pool, I felt as though my life was given


back to me. Before long, my swimming was my passion, my life


and my career. Using sport to help with rehabilitation started at


Stoke Mandeville Hospital in 1948. 52 years later, Stoke Mandeville


still leads the way in rehabilitation through sport. Many


of our Paralympians started their road to sporting success right here.


And with his new it to the spinal centre. Just months after breaking


his neck snowboarding, he is starting on the long road to being


active again. I used to snowboard for the thrill of it. I could see


myself doing sport now for different reasons. One is the


fitness. Being injured, you are more conscious of your body and


what you can and can't do. When I see Paralympians now coming into


the hospital, seeing what they can do inspires you to think, I may not


be able to do the marathon, but I should be able to go to the shops.


I know first hand how important it is to have sport to focus on after


everything changes in your life. Clare Dyer is responsible for


spinal rehabilitation at Stoke Mandeville. Not everybody is into


sport. Some people enjoy the arts side more. But where sport is


important is in enabling people to be stronger, improving their


balance in the early stages of their rehab, but also for some


people, competition is important and they used to take part in sport


preinjury. It is a cult -- good opportunity for them to start


getting interested in that side again of what might be part of


their life when they have left. stone's throw from the spinal


centre is a sports facility where both patience and Paralympians


train side by side. The Beijing Paralympics were playing on TV when


Nicky discovered she would never walk again after having a serious


car crash. It was a great time to break my back while Beijing was on,


because I had never seen the Paralympics before. So I watched


every sport that was on and the ones that I thought looked fun, I


e-mailed the federations and said I would like to give their sport a


goat. You were very proactive. It must be important to you. I didn't


want to be thought of as a disabled person. Then I saw the girls in the


wheelchair racing in Beijing. They were sitting in wheelchairs along


the start line, but the last thing you noticed was that they were in a


wheelchair, you just thought they looked like athletes. Through the


fast track Paralympic programme, I got into athletics. Was I had had a


go at racing and will chair speed, it was amazing. What are your


ambitions now? I hope one day, I will win some Paralympic medals. I


would like to go to Rio, maybe for triathlon, maybe track. We will see.


I am focusing on being at the Paralympics, which is better than


anything I would have been doing if I had not become disabled. A Oscar,


you summed it up perfectly. You are not disabled by the disabilities


you have, you are able by the abilities you have. In is a great


testament to every Paralympic athlete. No one focuses on their


disability, but rather on the abilities they still have. You have


said we are very forward-thinking over here as part of -- as far as


the Paralympics are concerned, and disabled sport. Why do you think


that? We travel extensively and I see a lot of people's perceptions


around the world when it comes to disability. Some countries, when it


comes to the education surrounding various disabilities, they are very


narrow-minded and there is a lot of stigma and stereotypes that exist.


I have been competing in the UK since 2004 at least once a year,


and I have come into contact with the media, and they are more in


touch and clued-up with disability. They are not shy to talk about the


various disabilities. The way they have approached the Paralympics has


been mind-blowing. They have not looked at it as disabled sports or


something to be shy of, let's look at it for what it is, a phenomenal


sport. It is full of triumphs and disappointments. It has got great


successes. It is not an inspiring, but it is hard core sport. There is


a lot of hype around the Paralympics, and the media have


labelled the Paralympic athletes as superhumans. How do you feel about


that? Is it putting too much pressure on? Not at all. Every


athlete is a superhuman, not only myself. They are great performers.


I watched some of the performances of the previous Paralympic Games


and some of the performances in these Olympic Games, and sometimes


you expect something of an athlete, and when they compete, you are left


speechless. Like, how did he do it? That is superhumans. And that makes


us watch it. How can you then compare the Olympics and the


Paralympics? In tis the most easy thing to compare. It all boils down


to not the most competitive nature between the athletes, but if


somebody can step out there and break their own personal best


regardless of what the competition is, if an athlete can step out


there and smash their record and give it their best, that is what we


need to command. Likewise, when they don't do well, you need to be


critical of their performance. But I saw some performances previously,


like David Rudisha's 400 and 800. I have seen women bench press more


than I can. That is superhuman. Let's see you in Beijing in 2008,


Everybody in the bird's nest is watching Oscar Pistorius. This


could be very special indeed. Oscar Pistorius is champion. Oh, my


goodness! Of how does it feel to run faster than anyone else?


That was terrible, actually! It was the last race after a very long


week. My time was 47.5, and I needed to run a lot quicker. I was


just sick during that time. It was a phenomenal experience being out


there, but ultimately I have always said I would rather come last and


run a personal best than run badly. Hopefully, I can redeem myself in


just over a week when I come out for the 400. You have had this


transitional period. What have you been doing? You are racing Jonnie


Peacock, who is a hot favourite. Brett exciting. In Beijing, I run


the 100, 200 and 400. Jonnie Peacock is a great contender. He is


doing the 100 metres. By the time he gets to the 100, I will have


cleared the 200 and half the 4 x 100. I am looking forward to this


event more than anything. I have lost 12 kilograms since Beijing to


be more efficient on the 400. But I am sure we will have a great time


on the 100. Jonnie Peacock is a great competitor. Are you happy


with just medals, or have they got to be gold? I am going to go out


there and have fun, and hopefully I can contribute to the evolution of


the sport. But yeah, always go for gold.


A well, in the days following the Olympic closing ceremony, a


specially built terminal at Heathrow handled all the overseas


athletes are eager to get home to their friends and families.


some of those athletes didn't just fail to check in, they never even


went to the airport. This year's Olympics gave Britain


more medals than any other games in the last 100 years. They also stand


to gain Britain a clutch of asylum- seekers. It has been reported that


21 competitors, mostly from African countries, did not fly home after


the Games. But no one will know for sure if they want to stay in the UK


into after their visas expire in November. One member of the


Eritrean team has gone public to tell us about why he made the


decision to stay. There is no guarantee that he will be allowed


to, of course, but he told me through an interpreter the reasons


why he wants to stay. TRANSLATION: I am an athlete, but at the same


time, I am a forcibly conscripted soldier. I didn't have any sort of


freedom. I enjoyed -- that I enjoyed during my stay in the UK.


What do you think the reaction will be from the government back in


Eritrea? I will be accused of treason. They will charge me. And


if you are accused of such serious allegations, without any rights,


you will be executed. So my life would be in danger. For some people,


international sporting events are the only chance they get to flee


their homeland. After the Sydney Games, 83 members of the Olympic


family remained illegally. Closer to home at the 2002 Commonwealth


Games in Manchester, 20 members of the Sierra Leone team simply


vanished. The number of people claiming asylum has dropped


dramatically over the last decade. Last year, nearly 20,000 people


applied for asylum, but only 4309 were successful. Of those, 615 came


from Eritrea's, a country there was found by a United Nations report to


subject its army conscript members to torture and forced labour.


Asylum is a very specific thing, and the UK has signed up to the


refugee Convention. That allows a country to grant asylum to somebody


if a person has a well-founded fear of persecution for reasons of race,


religion, nationality, political opinion or membership of a social


group. It is not the case, as is sometimes perceived, that they are


free to come and go as they please. They will report to the border


agency regularly so that they are aware of their whereabouts all the


time. And they are heavily scrutinised. The reality of the


asylum process for this man is that he is told where he has to live, he


is under a night-time curfew and he is not allowed to earn any money.


He says if he is granted asylum, he wants to work and continue running.


Who knows, he could one day be competing for Team GB. He and his


translator, who has lived in the UK for nine years after being banned


and asylum, insist that welfare handouts are not the reason they


have come. There is a perception that asylum seekers choose the UK


because it is a soft touch and has a good benefits system. Not at all.


I disagree. All they want is personal freedom and to be part of


that society. That is why a lot of people come to the UK. They feel


they are part of British society, the people are more tolerant,


understanding people. And there are opportunities to express yourself


and be part of society. If the other Olympic athletes who fail to


go home have not applied for asylum by the end of November, when their


visas expire, they will become over Stayers. They will become subject


to what is called administrative removal. That is where the border


agency, if they can locate them, will remove them from the UK.


person disappears, what are the chances of tracking them down?


his difficult to say. There are obviously problems, and there are


an unknown number of people in the UK who do not have immigration


status, but have disappeared into the system. As for this man, he now


faces an anxious wait to hear if his application is successful. Is


it your plant that Mike was it always your plan to come to the


Olympics and stay? TRANSLATION: Exactly the same


question that you put to me now was asked by the Home Office and the


interviewing officer. And I said to her, the only reason that I remain


in this country is not something that I had planned previously,


prior to coming to the UK. If the British public wants me, it would


be a pleasure to be a champion for Ronin, you're a back with an album


for the first time in six years. Where have you been? I've been here


a few times! And you studio album, it is interesting. The last album


was the Burt Bacharach album. I had done covers albums, but this is a


brand new studio album, 12 brand- new songs. You being open and


saying the last few months have been very difficult for you. Is


that reflected in his music? definitely draw from your emotions


as a writer and performer. You draw from those emotions, but it is not


autobiographical in any way. first single is called Fires. What


is that about? It is an uptown opportune. -- up-tempo. I'd guess


it is a song about me moving forward, taking the next step and


moving on. In the video it is me saying goodbye to an old me and


moving on. You worked on this album with the same people who wrote Life


Is A Rollercoaster. Grey Alexander is back. This has to be one of the


catchiest songs of all time! Faces up for most -- this is up for most


summer-long song or something. when we mentioned it for Oscar, he


said he loved it. Coming out of the subway... We thought we would get


some fans with a few questions and of course they are on board a


Are a # Life Is A Rollercoaster. We love you! Life might be a


roller-coaster,... Are what? I didn't hear what she said. That was


Kate and Katie. Life may be a roller-coaster, but how do you


really get your thrills? I have a motorcycle, I liked to ride my


motorcycle. That is how I get mine. You like a motorbike. What I ride


motorcycles, yes. Another question. Have you ever lost your voice?


heard that one! On my first solo tour, I was touring the UK and


Ireland, and the last show was in Belfast. 10,000 people. Walked out


on stage, no voice whatsoever. Totally gone. Her what did you do?


The most frightening thing I've gone through. I had to give the


microphone to the audience and let them sing. My band were helping.


Weirdly enough, as I went through it, bits-and-pieces were there. It


was one of the best gigs I've ever done in the end. They all loved it.


Does it play on your mind? After that it really did. I was stressed


out. It was wear and tear and not looking after my voice. I've


learned a lot from that. Very cautious now. Let's have one more.


The queue for this ride is very long, have you used your celebrity


to get to the front of the Ku? I have. Terrible! What situation?


When you are rushing through an airport and you are late for a


flight, sometimes... You jumped to the top of the security queue and


you get through quickly. I've been with my kids. It was probably


EuroDisney. It was the last ride and we had to go because we would


miss the flight and the kids wanted to go on this thing. You run to the


top of the queue and hope somebody will recognise you. I am never


going to live this down! It is funny you were saying about losing


your voice because apparently my microphone has gone so I have to


use this! You've caught the acting bug as well recently. Yes, I made


my first film last year, Goddess, which is out in February. A


romantic comedy. All of the Boyzone fans will be thinking, have you got


time to do a 20th anniversary tour? Her I hope so, we are talking about


doing it next year. Maybe an album and a tour. Good news. In a proper


showbiz way I will tell you that the new album, Fires, is out on


Monday. The dislike Top Of The Pops! The Republic of Ireland has


always been a neutral country and in World War to that lead to an


extraordinary uprising among the army and the repercussions lasted


way beyond the conflict. Larry Lamb went to Dublin to hear about


Britain's Irish soldiers. Dublin, capital of the Republic of


Ireland. During the Second World War, thousands of men left the


southern Irish are made without permission. They deserted, one of


the worst crimes the soldier can commit. But the fascinating thing


is they were not being cowardly of running away from danger, in fact,


many of them were doing the opposite and putting their lives on


the line. During the war, the Irish government stuck to its rigid


policy of neutrality. While the Allies fought the Nazis, the


soldier ants -- soldiers and Ireland were watching from the


sidelines or posing for the cameras. So thousands of Irish soldiers


deserted, some left to find better- paying jobs, but many wanted to see


some real action and help stop the Nazis. For a joint for British Army


instead and went to war. -- they joined the British Army. When the


war was over here, the Irish soldiers knew they would be in


trouble for deserting so many came home expecting to be court-


martialled. But they were wrong. After initially car -- court


martial in some soldiers, the Irish game -- government came up with a


quicker solution. They dismissed 4983 deserters in one fell swoop.


And they put their names on a blacklist which made getting a job


or claiming welfare almost impossible. Peter has been


campaigning for a pardon for men on the list. This list was distributed


right across the hall a violent, it right down to the Post Office, the


library, the council office. If somebody was on this list, you


couldn't get a job. It was mainly in the rural areas... We working


for the council. You were bought -- you were barred. They were angry


about it. These are Defence Force personnel and they are entitled to


military law and to be treated according to military law and the


right to a fair hearing. So these men were actually entitled to a


court martial? Exactly. But the list punished more than just the


soldiers whose names were on it. Many of the men were fathers with


families and with no work, there was no food on the table. Many of


the family's experience extreme hardship. The list was only


supposed a barman from state employment for seven years, but


many felt its impact for the rest of their lives. In Britain, these


men would have been welcomed home as war heroes, but the Irish


government at the time thought it was a fair solution to the problem


of dealing with so many deserters. They didn't have the administrative


capacity to court martial them. It was felt maybe it was easier to


make such a list, one-size-fits-all, put it together and then you've


dealt with it. Shouldn't the fact that some of these men had fought


the Nazis have made the difference? You would think so, but one of the


questions... You have a list of 4983 names, you know they deserted


the Irish defence forces, but we don't know what happened to them. A


large proportion probably joined the Allies, but we can't say for


certain. We also know a proportion would have joined in the economic


war effort in Britain. But there also be a minority who just


vanished into the woodwork across the border, maybe across into the


larger cities in the UK and we don't know where they went. For the


Irish government has now announced an amnesty. But only for the men on


the list who deserted to fight with the Allies, not for any who


deserted to find better-paying jobs or simply disappear. Without proper


records, we can't possibly know how many of the names this amnesty


applies to, but that is not the point. De point is that the few


surviving deserters will know and so will the families of those who


have passed away. For all of them, this is a very private reprieve.


The feedback I'm getting is that the families are very happy. This


has removed the stigma. Historical baggage has been taken off their


backs. Dan has joined us to talk about this. Have you heard about


this? I know nothing about this, it is really interesting. I would like


to learn more. Why have they issued an amnesty now? It is a long time


and Britain and Ireland have resolved their differences. They


are normalising relations and the Queen was the first British head of


state to visit Ireland since independence. She visited some


Republican sites and did some good diplomacy. It is about forgiving


and moving on. What was the strength of the feeling against


Britain? I've got a lot of Irish friends. Amongst people, there was


never vicious anti- British or anti-Irish feeling. The Irish


government was particularly hostile because the Irish government was


dominated by Sinn Fein. The head of the government had actually been


condemned to death by the British Army. They have fought of Fischer's


war. This was a long time ago for top of the British Army was the


absolute enemy, particularly in government circles. It seems hard


for us to believe now, but at the time for British had carried out


war crimes in Ireland. A lot of Irish people could not believe


there would be Irish people willing to fight for the British Army.


the magazine... If they celebrated the Queen's coronation, they were


banned in Ireland. If you wore poppies to certain pubs around


Remembrance Day, you might have somebody having a word. But that


has changed. One situation the same in other neutral countries? People


were desperate not to get brought into this war. Places like


Switzerland, people were actually prosecuted for helping Jewish


people escape from Germany. It seems incredible. The Swiss


government was desperate not to take sides. In America, before they


joined the war, you risked losing citizenship if you signed up for


one of the protagonists. By you feeling outnumbered? A little bit


but I like it! Tomorrow we are going to be in Sheffield because


the One Show is going on tour and Mike is there. He is preparing for


top who have you got? I've got Barney the barn owl and


tomorrow we will be at Endcliffe Park, part of a massive


extravaganza that is the One Show roadshow. Tomorrow, all being well,


on the stage over there, Carrie Grant will be teaching the audience


how to sing as part of a massive choir. Also, Marty Jopson will be


doing a massive science demonstration. A lot of tents


around us. Angellica Bell will be co-ordinating a huge piece of One


Show art. Sarah Jarvis will be doing her Street doctor clinic,


Christine Walkden will be dispensing pearls of wisdom about


gardening and Gyles Brandreth will be talking history. It starts


tomorrow, please come down. It will be brilliant! Are very well behaved


Bonnell! The weather looks great at the moment. That is the One Show


road show tomorrow from 12 noon at Endcliffe Park in Sheffield. And it


is free. Why not finish your school holiday with a trip to Sheffield.


Oscar, tomorrow you will be holding the flag. Yes, really excited! Last


time I was in Sheffield it rained for days and days. Thanks for that!


I am looking forward to tomorrow. What technique... The flag is quite


hard so my technique is to get protein shake. Thank you into our


guests. Ronan Keating's album Fires is out on Monday. And thank you to


Ronan Keating and Oscar Pistorius join Matt Baker and Alex Jones. Larry Lamb is in Dublin to hear about the Irish soldiers who deserted to fight for Britain in WW2, and Dan Snow is in the studio to explain why it's taken this long for them to be pardoned. Simon Boazman talks to an Eritrean athlete who is seeking asylum after competing in the Olympics, and Marc Woods meets other disabled people who have turned to sport after their life changing injuries.

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