30/05/2012 The One Show


30/05/2012

Matt Baker and Alex Jones talk to the Dragon's Den star Theo Paphitis. Joe Crowley reports on a litter enforcement team. And George McGavin discovers how bacteria can be beautiful.


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Welcome to The One Show with Matt Baker.

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And Alex Jones. Tonight's guest has a fascination for flash cars, a

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love of ladies' lingerie and a passion for profit. Enter the

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Dragon that is Theo Paphitis! APPLAUSE

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Good to see you, Theo. Thanks for coming back. Do you know what - I

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was thinking about you the other day because I walked past your new

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shop because you have opened a chain. We have. Mrs P must be

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pleased that you're back in the undies business. She is. I have

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also three daughters as well, but that's a fascination of mine -

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keeping Mrs P happy - keeping Mrs P happy. Is this the one where

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everything is in the drawers? we have drawers in our drawers.

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That's nice. It's easier than hanging the small knickers on...

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Yes, the drawers are all nicely labelled. You can take what you

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want out. Just peek in our drawers is what we say. Very clever. What

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do you make of the new scheme that's come out on Monday, �82

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million helping new businesses start? Listen, it's a bit of noise.

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Certainly we like to help enterprise and young enterprise.

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It's actually a pilot scheme - �10 million the first year, then they

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have the cost of actually distributing it and everything else.

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It's the right direction, but we do need to do a huge amount more. To

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be honest with you, it's down to education. You can't just give

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money to kids and say, start up businesses. You need to educate

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them. My tall fell -- fellow Dragon trains thousands of kids. We can't

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just give them money. We need to give them training and teach them

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how to be introprenuevers. Do you think �2,500 is enough to start up

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a business? No, it's a maximum up to �2,500. Listen. Making a noise -

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I don't think it's money well spent - probably not enough to make a

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difference. But listen. Any money in this market is welcome. 18-24,

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have a go. Why not? If your community was offered improved

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housing, health facilities and roads just as public spending cuts

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were due to take effect, you'd certainly sit up and take notice.

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But as Simon Boazman reports, these benefits come with "strings

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attached'" - tonnes and tonnes of nuclear waste looking for a new

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home. Romney Marsh Kent. This 100- square-mile of wetlands on the

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coast is a unique habitat to many birds, plants and insects, but this

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whole area is currently being considered as a potential burial

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site for the nation's stockpile of nuclear waste. Now, if successful,

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they'll receive a huge package of financial investment, but will that

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be enough to persuade the residents here in Romney Marsh to open up

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their arms to nuclear waste? There has been a nuclear industrial based

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here at Dungeness since the 1960s. Dungeness A is in the process of

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being decommissioned with Dungeness B due to follow within the next

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decade. Some nuclear waste is already stored here. This is where

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the radioactive waste is being stored currently. This is it here?

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This is it. This is a intermediate- level waste container, and this

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really chunky robust waste package is providing shielding protecting

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us from the radiation. But high- level waste is the bigger problem.

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It remains radioactive up to 100,000 years. Currently, it's

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stored overground at the Sellafield nuclear processing plant in couple

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brieia, but the Government's decided in the future, all nuclear

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waste will be buried underground. A deep tunnel would lead to a buried

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site up to 25 square kilometres in size. One of the potential risks of

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just leaving it where it is? I am afraid there are bad people in this

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world, and those bad people want to do bad things - crashing aeroplanes

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and bombs and things. We can all imagine those scenarios. The safest

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thing to do with this waste is to put it 800 metres underground out

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of our environment. Is it 100% safe? I can never say anything is

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going to be 100% safe. Me and you are standing next this container

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right now. Am I 100% safe? I think you are, but who knows what could

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happen? That is the question. Communities will be asking, who

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knows what could happen? The thing is this particular community have

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got this waste on their back garden anyway, and to put it underground

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would be far, far more safe than leaving it here on the surface.

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Local environmental group Protect Kent is worried about the proposals

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and doesn't believe the area is suitable. Well, one wonders whether

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the geology is absolutely right bearing in mind the Government have

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already rejected an idea of extending the life of the power

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station here because of sea level rise, which they say is going to be

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quite a problem into the future, and I think the other point on

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geology you have to take into account is within the last five

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years there has been an earthquake at Folkestone, and it was felt here.

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That's, again, another problem. Government is offering huge

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economic incentives to attract volunteers. Councillors in Cumbria

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were the first too come forward three years ago, and now here

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Shepway District Council has declared an interest too. This is

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first of a series of open exhibitions for locals. In this

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part of the world we have had 50 years of working with the nuclear

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industry. It's provided a lot of job, but those nuclear power

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stations decommissioning, there is actually going to be nothing left

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for the people on the marsh, which already has a job crisis. This has

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the possibility of not only bringing jobs but also

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infrastructure development, so we could be talking about road, rail,

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sea defences. It's up to us to negotiate it and get as much money

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out of it as possible. People might look at this and saying, offering

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you some infrastruckture or offering you some Health Services

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is a bribe to take on this nation's problem. If that's the only way we

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can get the services and infrastruckture we need to survive

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down here, it's not wrong. I think it's an opportunity. 51% of the

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people polled in Cumbria want to take proposals for a nuclear waste

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facility further. What about the people here in Kent? I think it's a

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great idea it's going to bring jobs to the area seeing as the power

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station is going out. They shouldn't bury it, no, not in

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Romney Marsh. Why not? Why not take it to Downing Street? You think it

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would be better off there? Yeah! It's a requirement, whether it's

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regional or countrywide. Everybody is going to be a NIMBY, not in my

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backyard. At the end of the day, it's got to go have. The nuclear

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waste has to travel here. That's one big thing. I have grandchildren

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down in Lid as well, and I wouldn't like them close to that. Well, this

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is a problem that successive governments have been trying to

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face for decades without much luck, so will it come here to Romney

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Marsh? They don't need to make a decision for a few years, and that

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leaves people plenty of time for further persuasion.

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What would your decision be then? Nuclear waste, the Theo Paphitis

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Towers, are you in or out? It's always that saying, not in my

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backyard. Nuclear power is the future. Whether we like it or not,

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it's the technology that twhoo, we know about now. We've got wind.

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We've got wave. We have PV panels, but the one that actually works -

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the only one that works - is nuclear, so we need it, but do I

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want it in my backyard? I might struggle with that. It's those two-

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headed cats... Have you got granite-toped work tops through the

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kitchen? How do you know that? do you know that! Just wondered -

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get one of those raid metres and see how much radiation they give

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off. You would be amazed. They look lovely. I haven't got them, no, but

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they do look very nice. I wouldn't beat yourself up over it. They give

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off radiation? Yeah, test them. everybody who has granite tops in

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their house - you have panicked a whole nation. It's natural, but it

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radiates. I have baffled you there, haven't I? My goldfish only have

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two eyes. They have -- are on a granite top. We're moving on to

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fly-pasts. Ahead of next week's Jubilee

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flypast over Buckingham Palace, we thought we'd take a look at how

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pilots learn to fly in close formation. That's amazing. That's

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brilliant. But there's more to look at than the inside of a cockpit!

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This is RAF Valley in Anglesey, Wales, the home of the largest

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number of Hawk T2 aircraft in the world. If you want to fly fast jets,

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and let's be honest - who doesn't? You have to come here and prove

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your worth. There are many tests to pass because it is a highly skilled

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job. The man responsible for assessing

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the jet school trainees is station commander Adrian Hill. All his

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pilots have to have at least three years flying before they get

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anywhere near a fast jet. Thousands of people applying - you

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don't take most of them I am sure. No, it's very selective. We tend to

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only train 25 to 30 fast jet pilots every year. They'll learn the more

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advanced aspects of flying such as formation flying, low flying. All

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of these are obviously critical flying disciplines. They'll

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ultimately go and serve on the front line flying the Typhoon or

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Tornado. Wing commander Kevin Marsh is a senior pilot who teaches on

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the Hawk T2. The T2 has the control features of the far more expensive

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Typhoon fighter jet allowing pilots to perfect their skills before

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The Hawk T2 gives you a modern cockpit like that of a Typhoon in a

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modern training cockpit. All the buttons on the stick and the

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throttle move in the same manner. So when the pilot finishes his

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training here, he can go to the Typhoon, and the things look the

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same. We can test the pilots and train them far, far better than has

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ever been possible before. These are incredible aircraft, and

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I would have loved to fly in one, but tragically, I am too tall. I

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can't fit in the cockpit, but luckily for me, new technology has

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come along - in particular, this - the full mission simulator which

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for the first time gives me a real sense of what it's like to be

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airborne. I am being shown how to use it by squadron leader Mark

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Simmons. Feet on the brakes. Now slam the throttle all the way

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forward. Here we go. Release the brakes, and you're rolling. I can

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actually feel it in the seat. That's incredible. Gently pull back

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on the control column. Wow. you're flying. My goodness, it's

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incredible how you can see the sky above you. It's just unbelievable.

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That's my horizon there, is it? Most of the information you need

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will be in the head up display - your speed, your horizon.

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feeling slightly motion sick. we'll do now is move another

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aircraft into the system and you can have a go at practising close

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formation. OK. Bring it on! Where is he? There he is. OK. I can see

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the other Hawk. Use the control column to bring yourself up a

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little higher. I am on him now - I am not.

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It's a lot trickier than it looks. Look at this. This is formation

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flying. Oh, hello. Where has he gone? He's right above me. Good

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fly-past! Oh, dude! A number of different things you

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have to worry about - where your plane is, where their plane is,

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where the landscape is. It's a highly skilled activity, and it's a

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Poor Dan - no plane... In a hawk, but yeah, does that thought excite

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you, Theo? The Hawk frightens me a bit. I am claustrophobic, and the

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thought of being stuck in there. Are you scared of heights as well?

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I am. On an aeroplane I always want an aisle seat so if something goes

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wrong, you can escape. But you're still in the sky. I know. It's mad,

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isn't it? We're going to turn the clock back a little bit - your

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first ever TV appearance when you were chairman of Millwall Football

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Club. Here we go, in a documentary. Hot dogs and burgers. What's going

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to happen to those? Rubbish, goes in a black bag. Do you take the

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food out? No. It's a rule. That's an interesting one. Would you like

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to take the food home? Absolutely. It should be offered to the staff.

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At the end of the day, so much gets wasted anyway, so if we are allowed

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to take it... I would have no objections or problems with that. I

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think there is no reason you can't take the food home. So did you let

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them take the food home? No! I'll tell you why - because - I have

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just become chairman of Millwall. That was 12 years ago, 2000. I was

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a lot younger there, as you noticed - or was I older? But anyway, I

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came up with all these grand ideas - do that, nation. They can take

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the food home, so I went back into the offices, took my hat and apron

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off. The catering staff said, "Can I have a word with you? They

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can't." I said, what do you mean? "If it's repeated, if somebody

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catches something, it's not health and safety." That was the answer -

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no, stupid idea. You were filming then because it was a documentary

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called Back To the Floor, now The Boss Is Back is you retracing your

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time as boss of Millwall Football Club. What did you learn? How weird

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was it looking back? Did you think I wouldn't do that now or...

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wasn't a case of that. It was looking at yourself 12 years ago

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and reminding yourself of all the things you went through. There were

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lots of things that came out of that programme we actually did

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implement. That was one that happened to be a silly idea.

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Dragons sometimes have silly ideas. We just don't talk about them.

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different were you, looking back? That was my first time on TV as

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well, so you can see I was a little bit Uncomfortable, but you learn

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every day of your life, everything you do, all these experiences, good,

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bad, something that actually enhances your abilities - and

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Millwall - I had gone into quite a few companies to sort out by then,

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but after, there were many others. It's part of a learning process.

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Does it help you to keep a diary, looking back at past mistakes or

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things you wouldn't have done? Listen. Anyone who doesn't make

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mistakes is a person who never makes decisions or is a liar

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because we all make mistakes. I think you just have to learn from

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them. You do it all through your working career. So no regrets,

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then? They can't be regrets. You have to learn from them. You have

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to build your bridges, Mrs P says, and move on. It's strange because

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Hillary devai was on the other week and she said exactly the same thing.

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It's that trait, isn't it, of just keeping going and trying. You have

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to. To sit back and wallow in self- pity about it is nonsense. You have

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to take life sometimes by the throat, and you have to go out

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We don't do straightforward art on for the One Show, we do beach,

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pavement or driftwood and today we are taking it to a new level.

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it is bacterial art. Phil Tufnell didn't fancy this so we sent George

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Taking precautions to avoid becoming ill from bacteria by using

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anti-bacterial soap is just common sense. But right now there are

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several hundred bacteria on me and inside me and the majority are

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These single-cell organisms are found everywhere, from the depths

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of the oceans to the very pavements we walk on. I'm collecting bacteria

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for a scientist who is concerned we have become too fearful of these

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microscopic organisms. He wants to change our perception of them and

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to show us some of their special qualities, he turns them into works

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of art. This is a plate which is commonly used to grow bacteria and

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to see what is living on the soles of my books, this is heading to the

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University of Surrey. Dr Simon Parke is a molecular biologist who

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specialises in food bores and ising -- food boys and rising. He says

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our fears must not take over. How do you change people's perceptions

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of bacteria being universally bad? I like to take the bacteria out

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into schools and to museums and highlight the other interesting

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aspects rather than drilling into people the fact that they cause

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illness all the time. After four days, my but bacteria have grown

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into a stunning display of colours and patterns. That is absolutely

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beautiful. Amazing. This is a work of bacterial art from the sole of

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your boot. I can see four obvious things. A yellow one and a blotchy

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one and this creamy spread. Fees are only the ones you can actually

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grow. There are probably more on my boot. Yes, it is estimated we can

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only grow 1% of the bacteria in the world. So we only know about 1% of

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all the world's bacteria. That is unbelievable. Amazing after

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hundreds of years of microbiology. What have you got here? We have

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some bacteria from the deep sea Wow! Look at that, that is

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incredible. These bacteria always get that kind of reaction. I can

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see why. That is just a great pile of blowing marine bacteria.

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Billions of bacteria producing light. These microscopic organisms

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have evolved this ability deep in the ocean, although nobody knows

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quite why. What the court -- what a way to grab attention. Sounds

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bizarre? Wait until you see what Simon does with soil bacteria. Is

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there anything in particular your hunting for? We are hopefully

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looking for coloured bacteria. do you want to isolate those?

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can paint with those. I've heard of painting by numbers, but painting

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with bacteria! For a sample we have just done will take a while, but I

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have previous examples. That is incredible. That really looks like

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pate. Using these bacteria, it is time to show off my artistic skills.

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I haven't a clue what to paint, but This is the most fun I've had with

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bacteria. Ever. Picasso, eat your heart out! My picture has taken

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minutes to produce, but one of Simon's finest bacterial works of

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art to, as the year. In collaboration with a artist Joe

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wonder, he used 16 different species of bacteria to reproduce

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the famous Ofili up. -- Offi Year. Here's the original inspiration.

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This is the real Ophelia painted in the 19th century by Sir John

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Everett Millais. Perhaps through Simon's bacterial pictures, people

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will see the quite extraordinary properties that simple single-

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celled organisms can show and learn to appreciate them. Amazing. You

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did your own painting. I don't know if you can call it a painting.

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work of art. Her a work of Aboriginal art. It has become

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slightly more, it and it has spread a bit. I think we should auction

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this. I agree. Get a fiver! fiver! How long would that take to

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become unrecognisable? That would last about a year. While we've got

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to hear, Theo, we would like to produce a wonderful painting. If

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you are up for it. Ready? George is ready. Hand flat and roll it about

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a bit. Not too hard. And then take it off. With feeling. When was the

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last time you washed your hands? That will be incubated. Just before

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I came in. Good boy. You can have a wipe. We will put that on Facebook

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when it is cultivated. Off for everybody to see it. We will send

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you a picture, we will print it out so you can put it in the downstairs

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toilet. You've got no made out of Jan? I have, it is amazing. There's

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a new survey out today macro which suggests we are a bit too careful

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with our children, that exposing them to bacteria is sometimes a

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good thing. We are. If you we'd all the bacteria in the world, they

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would outweigh every other species added up. They have been around for

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3.5 billion years. That spoonful of soil probably contains something

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like 50 million bacteria of thousands of species. You can't

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avoid them. There's a theory that comes back from 1989 which

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basically says we are too hygienic. If you don't expose your immune

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system to bacteria when you're young, when you do get a bacterial

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infection, it is worse, and you also get more allergies. That is

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backed up by research from Harvard published this March, where they

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bred germ Free mice and they had worse health issues and allergies.

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Obsession with hygiene is probably not be good thing. Obviously

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hygiene in the kitchen is good, but to keep your house complete the

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germ free... I'm quite relaxed. Were you with your kids or were you

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constantly wiping Hans? These things didn't exist when my kids

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were around. Everybody carries these sanitised as now. Are they

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good for us? In hospitals, yes. You have to have quick hygiene all the

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time. But soap and water is all you need. Kids need a bit of bacteria,

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they need to be exposed to that at an early age. George has brought a

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lovely plant for Mrs P. Yes! With a bacteria theme. The great thing

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about bacteria is they make the cycles of elements. Carbon cycle,

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nitrogen cycle particularly. Without Nitrogen being taken out of

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the atmosphere and made into ammonia to fertilise the soil, we

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would not be here. If you have a look at the roots, there are little

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nodules which are full of a bacteria. That fixes nitrogen out

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of the atmosphere and makes it available for plants. Indoors or

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outdoors? Outdoor plant. They are essential, we would not be here

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without that bacteria. A simple as that. Thank you. Mrs P will be

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ecstatic! Go and wash your hands! Remember, in about a week's time,

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have a look at our Facebook Page, Theo's bacterial art work will be

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there. Slightly smudged. We could not have you here without pitching

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some new business ideas. Here we go. Instead of me pitching all the

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people coming to pitch to you, we thought we would go back to your

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old primary school to meet some wonderful young business people.

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Have you ever walked down the road and listened to a dog bark and

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wondered what it was talking about? How this works is there's an

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amazing, spectacular glove that comes with it. You simply St Kitts

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and there you have it, it translates into English. You have

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to put your clothes in here and you have to take them out after one

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minute and then showing these diamonds until they shimmer. --

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line. It will enhance your dress. Have you ever wanted to send

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someone else to your job or school? My invention is a clone, it is

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perfect for you. If you stand in the sealed oxygen tubes, the

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electronic devices will send three your DNA, which will form another

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you. My invention is the pocket blade. It folds itself with the

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click of a button. It shrinks itself to two shrink raised. You

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don't have to worry about congestion charge and also you

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don't have to worry about parking. Ideal during the Olympics! Perfect.

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What do you reckon? They are brilliant. Brilliant. I'm ecstatic

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about the cloning one. My diary, it would be brilliant! I can't believe

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somebody hasn't pitched that you already. The thought of another

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Peter Jones, another Theo Paphitis, might not be that attractive to a

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lot of people! I like the dog translating thing. We know you're a

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Cypriot, but we have to ask you about Greece. What do you think the

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situation will be in Greece? Give us your predictions for next year.

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Greece is in a dire Strait and it is highly likely they will end up

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leaving the euro. Amazingly, a third of people that voted in the

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last election, they did not get a decisive government, voted for a

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party that said anyone with over 20,000 euros in the bank, we will

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confiscate. People voted for that. Things are not great. But here, I

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think we have to think positively. I am starting new businesses, I

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have open new stores. We have opened in Iceland, Gibraltar. We

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Dragon's Den Star Theo Paphitis reminisces about his time as Chairman at Millwall Football Club, plus he'll be revealing all about his new business venture and we speak to some children at his former Primary school who are brimming with ideas. Joe Crowley investigates a new litter law enforcement team which has been patrolling the streets of Abertillery in Wales, but with over 1500 fixed penalty notice issues in the first six months, is this more about turning trash into cash? And George McGavin discovers how bacteria can actually be beautiful.


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