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At the end of the 15th century, a Scottish notary and teacher called | 0:00:05 | 0:00:09 | |
Robert Henryson writes a series of animal fables | 0:00:09 | 0:00:12 | |
based on the old stories of Aesop. | 0:00:12 | 0:00:14 | |
Esop, myne authour, makis mentioun | 0:00:16 | 0:00:20 | |
Of twa myis, and thay wer sisteris deir. | 0:00:20 | 0:00:24 | |
Henryson is little known these days, but experts consider him a master. | 0:00:24 | 0:00:29 | |
He's the greatest poet, I think, of the 15th century in English or Scots. | 0:00:29 | 0:00:34 | |
Fast forward over 500 years | 0:00:34 | 0:00:37 | |
and Nobel Prize-winning poet Seamus Heaney catches | 0:00:37 | 0:00:40 | |
a glimpse of an early manuscript of the Fables and is spellbound. | 0:00:40 | 0:00:44 | |
It had a little rooster on the top right-hand corner of the manuscript. | 0:00:44 | 0:00:50 | |
But the rooster was crowing. Something so jaunty about it. | 0:00:50 | 0:00:55 | |
Over several years, Seamus creates a series of modern English | 0:00:55 | 0:00:59 | |
translations infused with the language of his rural childhood | 0:00:59 | 0:01:02 | |
in Northern Ireland. | 0:01:02 | 0:01:04 | |
It's absolutely brilliant. It's a wonderful translation. | 0:01:04 | 0:01:07 | |
And he persuades Scottish actor | 0:01:07 | 0:01:09 | |
and comedy legend Billy Connolly to record them. | 0:01:09 | 0:01:11 | |
This country mouse when winter came, endured cold and hunger... | 0:01:11 | 0:01:15 | |
I think he's amazing. His reputation swells before him. | 0:01:15 | 0:01:21 | |
It's kind of scary now with you sitting out here. | 0:01:21 | 0:01:23 | |
Oh, for God's sake. | 0:01:23 | 0:01:24 | |
Now five of these fables have been animated for a project that | 0:01:24 | 0:01:28 | |
Seamus Heaney was working on at the time of his death. | 0:01:28 | 0:01:32 | |
Bringing a modern dimension to tales that were written | 0:01:32 | 0:01:35 | |
over half a millennium ago. | 0:01:35 | 0:01:37 | |
With a specially composed score by international pianist | 0:01:37 | 0:01:40 | |
and conductor Barry Douglas. | 0:01:40 | 0:01:42 | |
This is a very major thing for me. It's a new departure. | 0:01:43 | 0:01:46 | |
I'm very excited. | 0:01:46 | 0:01:48 | |
In a moment, the full animated story of The Two Mice. | 0:01:48 | 0:01:52 | |
With an introduction by Seamus Heaney himself. | 0:01:52 | 0:01:54 | |
And later, some revealing behind-the-scenes footage | 0:01:54 | 0:01:57 | |
of how these morality tales made it to the screen. | 0:01:57 | 0:02:00 | |
Five medieval fables are now ready for their second coming. | 0:02:01 | 0:02:06 | |
The Two Mice is a wonderfully innocent story. | 0:02:16 | 0:02:21 | |
And it's in a genre that's as old as European civilisation. | 0:02:21 | 0:02:26 | |
It crops up in Aesop, in Horace, in many of Henryson's sources. | 0:02:26 | 0:02:32 | |
And it's basically part of the old pastoral tradition of | 0:02:32 | 0:02:36 | |
the contrast between the simple, frugal countryside | 0:02:36 | 0:02:40 | |
and the haughty, dangerous town. | 0:02:40 | 0:02:42 | |
One of the most delightful parts of the story as Henryson tells it | 0:02:45 | 0:02:49 | |
is the town mouse coming through the country, crying out, | 0:02:49 | 0:02:53 | |
cheeping to her sister to come out and meet her. | 0:02:53 | 0:02:59 | |
It all goes well for a little while, then the town mouse gets tired of | 0:03:06 | 0:03:10 | |
the rough country fare and invites the country mouse to her place. | 0:03:10 | 0:03:16 | |
Everything's delightful. | 0:03:16 | 0:03:19 | |
Food's good, the furnishings are lovely. | 0:03:19 | 0:03:22 | |
Then two sudden dangers threaten all this. | 0:03:24 | 0:03:28 | |
And the country mouse is just terrified. | 0:03:28 | 0:03:31 | |
So the virtues of the country are ratified | 0:03:32 | 0:03:35 | |
and the town is scolded for its dangers. | 0:03:35 | 0:03:40 | |
It's a delightful story. | 0:03:40 | 0:03:42 | |
Aesop tells a tale - Aesop, my author - | 0:03:50 | 0:03:54 | |
Of two mice who were sisters fair and fond | 0:03:54 | 0:03:57 | |
The elder had a town-house in a borough | 0:03:58 | 0:04:00 | |
The younger dwelt up country, near at hand | 0:04:02 | 0:04:04 | |
And by herself | 0:04:04 | 0:04:06 | |
At times on whinny ground, | 0:04:09 | 0:04:10 | |
At times in corn crops | 0:04:10 | 0:04:12 | |
Living hand to mouth | 0:04:15 | 0:04:17 | |
Beyond the pale and off the land, by stealth | 0:04:17 | 0:04:21 | |
BIRD CAWS | 0:04:21 | 0:04:22 | |
This country mouse, when winter came, endured | 0:04:22 | 0:04:26 | |
Cold and hunger and extreme distress | 0:04:26 | 0:04:29 | |
The other mouse, in town, sat on a board | 0:04:30 | 0:04:33 | |
With guild members, an independent burgess | 0:04:33 | 0:04:38 | |
Exempt from tax, from port and market cess | 0:04:38 | 0:04:43 | |
Free to go roaming wherever she liked best | 0:04:43 | 0:04:47 | |
Among the cheese and meal, in bin and chest | 0:04:47 | 0:04:49 | |
One time, well-fed and lightsome on her feet | 0:04:52 | 0:04:55 | |
She thought about her sister on the land | 0:04:55 | 0:04:58 | |
And wondered how she fared, what kind of state | 0:04:58 | 0:05:02 | |
She lived in, in the greenwood out beyond | 0:05:02 | 0:05:05 | |
So, barefoot and alone, with staff in hand | 0:05:07 | 0:05:10 | |
Like a poor pilgrim she set out from the town | 0:05:10 | 0:05:13 | |
To seek her sister, over dale and down | 0:05:13 | 0:05:17 | |
Through many wild and lonesome ways she goes | 0:05:20 | 0:05:23 | |
By moss and moor, by bank and bush and briar | 0:05:23 | 0:05:26 | |
Calling across the fallow land and furrows | 0:05:32 | 0:05:35 | |
"Come out to me, my own sweet sister dear! Just give one cheep" | 0:05:35 | 0:05:38 | |
With that the mouse could hear | 0:05:40 | 0:05:42 | |
And knew the voice, since it's in our nature | 0:05:42 | 0:05:45 | |
To recognise our own, and came to meet her | 0:05:45 | 0:05:48 | |
If you had seen, Lord God, the high excitement | 0:05:50 | 0:05:53 | |
That overcame those sisters when they met | 0:05:53 | 0:05:56 | |
The way the sighs passed back and forth between them | 0:05:56 | 0:05:59 | |
The way they laughed and then for gladness wept! | 0:05:59 | 0:06:02 | |
They sweetly kissed, they held each other tight | 0:06:04 | 0:06:07 | |
And kept this up until they both grew calm | 0:06:07 | 0:06:10 | |
Then went indoors together, arm in arm | 0:06:10 | 0:06:14 | |
It was, as I have heard, a simple hut | 0:06:18 | 0:06:21 | |
Made expertly of foggage and of fern | 0:06:21 | 0:06:24 | |
On stone supports sunk into earth upright | 0:06:24 | 0:06:29 | |
The jambs set close, the lintel near the ground | 0:06:29 | 0:06:33 | |
And into it they went and there remained | 0:06:35 | 0:06:38 | |
No fire burned for them nor candle bright | 0:06:38 | 0:06:42 | |
For shady rooms best suit the fly-by-night | 0:06:42 | 0:06:46 | |
When they were lodged and settled, these poor mice | 0:06:53 | 0:06:56 | |
The younger sister to the pantry hurries | 0:06:56 | 0:06:58 | |
And brings out nuts and peas instead of spice | 0:06:58 | 0:07:02 | |
Without being there, who'll say how good it was? | 0:07:02 | 0:07:05 | |
The burgess then gets haughty and pretentious | 0:07:05 | 0:07:08 | |
And asks her sister, "Is this how you eat?" | 0:07:08 | 0:07:11 | |
"Why," she replies, "is there something wrong with it?" | 0:07:14 | 0:07:17 | |
"No, by my soul, it's just so ordinary!" | 0:07:19 | 0:07:22 | |
"Madam," she said, "you are the more to blame | 0:07:24 | 0:07:29 | |
"When we were born, I heard my mother say | 0:07:29 | 0:07:32 | |
"The womb we both came out of was the same | 0:07:32 | 0:07:35 | |
"I'm true to her example and good name | 0:07:37 | 0:07:39 | |
"And to my father's, to their frugal ways | 0:07:39 | 0:07:41 | |
"We own no lands or grounds or properties" | 0:07:45 | 0:07:48 | |
"Please," the reply came, "let me be excused | 0:07:51 | 0:07:54 | |
"My tastes and this rough diet are at odds | 0:07:54 | 0:07:57 | |
"I live a lady's life now and am used | 0:07:59 | 0:08:01 | |
"To tender meat, it's what my system needs | 0:08:01 | 0:08:05 | |
"These withered peas and nuts and shells and pods | 0:08:07 | 0:08:10 | |
"Will break my teeth and hurt me in the stomach | 0:08:10 | 0:08:13 | |
"Now that I know what standards to expect" | 0:08:13 | 0:08:16 | |
"Well, well, my sister," says the country mouse | 0:08:20 | 0:08:24 | |
"If you would like, and seeing that you're here | 0:08:24 | 0:08:26 | |
"You're welcome to the free run of the house | 0:08:26 | 0:08:28 | |
"And food and drink | 0:08:28 | 0:08:30 | |
"Stay on for the year! | 0:08:30 | 0:08:32 | |
"It'll warm my heart to keep you and to share | 0:08:33 | 0:08:36 | |
"Our friendship matters more than middling food | 0:08:36 | 0:08:41 | |
"Who sniffs at cooking when the company's good? | 0:08:41 | 0:08:43 | |
"Delicacies pall, and fancy dishes | 0:08:48 | 0:08:51 | |
"When they are served up by a scowling face | 0:08:51 | 0:08:54 | |
"A sweetness in the giver's more delicious | 0:08:54 | 0:08:57 | |
"Fine sauces don't make up for lack of grace | 0:08:58 | 0:09:03 | |
"A modicum suffices, we do with less | 0:09:03 | 0:09:06 | |
"When the carver carves from the goodness of his heart | 0:09:06 | 0:09:09 | |
"A sour-faced host can blink the best cook's art" | 0:09:09 | 0:09:13 | |
In spite of all this well-disposed advice | 0:09:17 | 0:09:20 | |
The burgess was in no mood to be humoured | 0:09:20 | 0:09:23 | |
She knit her brows above two glowering eyes | 0:09:23 | 0:09:26 | |
No matter what choice pickings she was offered | 0:09:28 | 0:09:30 | |
Until, at last, she half-sighed and half-sneered | 0:09:30 | 0:09:36 | |
"Sister, for a country mouse, this stuff | 0:09:36 | 0:09:39 | |
"You've laid on makes a spread and is good enough | 0:09:39 | 0:09:42 | |
"Give over this place, be my visitor | 0:09:44 | 0:09:48 | |
"Come where I live, and learn when you're my guest | 0:09:48 | 0:09:51 | |
"How my Good Friday's better than your Easter | 0:09:51 | 0:09:55 | |
"My dish-lickings more luscious than your feast | 0:09:55 | 0:09:59 | |
"My quarters are among the very safest | 0:09:59 | 0:10:02 | |
"Of cat or trap or trip I have no dread" | 0:10:02 | 0:10:06 | |
"All right," says sister, and they take the road | 0:10:08 | 0:10:12 | |
Under cover, through clumps of corn and weed | 0:10:15 | 0:10:18 | |
Keeping themselves hidden, on they creep | 0:10:18 | 0:10:21 | |
The elder acts as guide and stays ahead | 0:10:21 | 0:10:25 | |
The younger follows close and minds her step | 0:10:25 | 0:10:27 | |
By night they make a run, by day they sleep | 0:10:29 | 0:10:33 | |
Until one morning, when the lark was singing | 0:10:33 | 0:10:37 | |
They reached the town and thankfully went in | 0:10:37 | 0:10:41 | |
With none to greet or give them time of day | 0:10:44 | 0:10:47 | |
The town mouse led on and they made their entry | 0:10:47 | 0:10:49 | |
To a residence not far along the way | 0:10:49 | 0:10:52 | |
Next thing they stood inside a well-stocked pantry | 0:10:56 | 0:11:00 | |
With cheese and butter stacked on shelves, great plenty | 0:11:00 | 0:11:04 | |
Of red meat and hung game, of fresh fish and salt | 0:11:04 | 0:11:08 | |
Sacks full of groats, milled corn and meal and malt | 0:11:08 | 0:11:12 | |
Later, when they felt the urge to dine | 0:11:18 | 0:11:20 | |
They washed their hands and sat, but said no grace | 0:11:20 | 0:11:24 | |
There was every course a cook's art could design | 0:11:24 | 0:11:28 | |
Roast beef and mutton relished slice by slice | 0:11:30 | 0:11:33 | |
A meal fit for a lord | 0:11:33 | 0:11:35 | |
But they were mice | 0:11:40 | 0:11:41 | |
And showed it when they drank not wine but water | 0:11:41 | 0:11:44 | |
Yet could hardly have enjoyed their banquet better | 0:11:44 | 0:11:47 | |
Taunting and cajoling all at once | 0:11:47 | 0:11:50 | |
The elder mouse enquired of her guest | 0:11:50 | 0:11:52 | |
Whether she thought there was real difference | 0:11:52 | 0:11:55 | |
Between that chamber and her sorry nest | 0:11:55 | 0:11:59 | |
"Yes, ma'am," said she, "but how long will this last?" | 0:11:59 | 0:12:03 | |
"Forever, I expect, and even longer" | 0:12:03 | 0:12:05 | |
"In that case, it's a safe house," said the younger | 0:12:07 | 0:12:11 | |
The town mouse, for their pleasure, produced more | 0:12:11 | 0:12:14 | |
Groats on a plate and meal piled in a pan | 0:12:16 | 0:12:19 | |
And didn't stay her hand, you can be sure | 0:12:20 | 0:12:23 | |
When she doled the oatcakes out and served a scone | 0:12:23 | 0:12:26 | |
Of best white baker's bread instead of brawn | 0:12:26 | 0:12:29 | |
Then stole a tall white candle from a chest | 0:12:31 | 0:12:34 | |
As a final touch, to give the meal more taste | 0:12:34 | 0:12:38 | |
And so they revelled on and raised a cry | 0:12:39 | 0:12:42 | |
And shouted "Hail, Yule, hail!" And made merry | 0:12:42 | 0:12:46 | |
Yet often care comes on the heels of joy | 0:12:48 | 0:12:51 | |
And trouble after great prosperity | 0:12:51 | 0:12:54 | |
Thus, as they sat in all their jollity | 0:12:54 | 0:12:59 | |
The steward comes along swinging his keys | 0:12:59 | 0:13:03 | |
Opens the door and finds them at their ease | 0:13:03 | 0:13:06 | |
They didn't wait to wash, as I imagine | 0:13:08 | 0:13:11 | |
But rushed and raced and sped off desperately | 0:13:11 | 0:13:14 | |
The burgess had a hole and in she went | 0:13:14 | 0:13:17 | |
Her sister no such place of sanctuary | 0:13:17 | 0:13:20 | |
To see that mouse in panic was great pity | 0:13:21 | 0:13:24 | |
In dread, bewildered, cornered and astray | 0:13:24 | 0:13:27 | |
So that she swooned and nearly passed away | 0:13:27 | 0:13:30 | |
But God had willed and worked a happy outcome | 0:13:32 | 0:13:35 | |
The hard-pressed steward could not afford to bide | 0:13:35 | 0:13:38 | |
He hadn't time to harry or to hunt them | 0:13:38 | 0:13:41 | |
But hurried on, and left the room-door wide | 0:13:41 | 0:13:44 | |
The burgess watched him make his way outside | 0:13:46 | 0:13:49 | |
Then scooted from her hole and cried on high | 0:13:51 | 0:13:54 | |
"How are you, sister? Where? Just cheep for me!" | 0:13:54 | 0:13:57 | |
Sure she was doomed, and terrified to die | 0:14:01 | 0:14:05 | |
This country mouse lay on the ground prostrate | 0:14:05 | 0:14:08 | |
Her heart beat fast, she was like somebody | 0:14:08 | 0:14:11 | |
Shaken by fever, trembling hand and foot | 0:14:11 | 0:14:14 | |
And when her sister found her in this state | 0:14:16 | 0:14:19 | |
For very pity she broke down in tears | 0:14:19 | 0:14:22 | |
Then spoke these words, sweet honey to her ears | 0:14:22 | 0:14:27 | |
"Why do you cower like this, dear sister? Rise! Return to table | 0:14:27 | 0:14:30 | |
"Come, the danger's past" | 0:14:30 | 0:14:32 | |
The other answered in a stricken voice | 0:14:35 | 0:14:37 | |
"I cannot eat, I am so sore aghast | 0:14:37 | 0:14:40 | |
"I'd rather do Lent's 40 days of fast | 0:14:40 | 0:14:43 | |
"On cabbage water, gnawing peas and beans | 0:14:43 | 0:14:46 | |
"Than feast with you here in such dread conditions" | 0:14:46 | 0:14:49 | |
Still, being soothed so sweetly, she got up | 0:14:51 | 0:14:54 | |
And went to table where again they sat | 0:14:54 | 0:14:56 | |
But hardly had they time to drink one cup | 0:14:58 | 0:15:01 | |
When in comes Hunter Gib, our jolly cat | 0:15:01 | 0:15:04 | |
And bids good day CAT MEOWS | 0:15:04 | 0:15:06 | |
The burgess ups with that | 0:15:06 | 0:15:08 | |
And speedy as the spark from flint makes off | 0:15:08 | 0:15:12 | |
His nibs then takes the other by the scruff | 0:15:12 | 0:15:14 | |
From foot to foot he chased her to and fro | 0:15:16 | 0:15:19 | |
Whiles up, whiles down, as quick as any kid | 0:15:19 | 0:15:23 | |
Whiles letting her go free beneath the straw | 0:15:23 | 0:15:27 | |
Whiles playing blind man's buff with her, shut-eyed | 0:15:29 | 0:15:33 | |
And thus he kept that poor mouse in great dread | 0:15:33 | 0:15:36 | |
Until by lucky chance, at the last call | 0:15:36 | 0:15:39 | |
She slipped between the hangings and the wall | 0:15:39 | 0:15:42 | |
Then up in haste behind the tapestry | 0:15:46 | 0:15:48 | |
She climbed so high that Gilbert couldn't get her | 0:15:48 | 0:15:51 | |
And hung there by the claws most capably | 0:15:51 | 0:15:53 | |
Till he was gone | 0:15:55 | 0:15:57 | |
And when her mood was better | 0:15:59 | 0:16:01 | |
And she could move with no cat to upset her | 0:16:01 | 0:16:04 | |
Down she came on the town mouse, shouting out, "Sister, farewell" | 0:16:04 | 0:16:09 | |
"Your feast I set at nought | 0:16:09 | 0:16:11 | |
"Your spread is spoiled, your cream in curds from worry | 0:16:11 | 0:16:15 | |
"Your goose is good, your sauce as sour as gall | 0:16:15 | 0:16:19 | |
"Your second helpings sure to make you sorry | 0:16:19 | 0:16:23 | |
"Mishaps still sure to haunt you and befall | 0:16:23 | 0:16:26 | |
"I thank that curtain and partition-wall | 0:16:26 | 0:16:28 | |
"For guarding me against yon cruel beast | 0:16:28 | 0:16:32 | |
"Save me, Almighty God, from such a feast | 0:16:32 | 0:16:35 | |
"If I were back on home ground, I would stay | 0:16:38 | 0:16:41 | |
"Never, for weal or woe, come forth again" | 0:16:42 | 0:16:45 | |
With that she took her leave and went her way | 0:16:48 | 0:16:51 | |
Now through the corn, now on the open plain | 0:16:55 | 0:16:58 | |
Glad to be on the loose and given rein | 0:16:58 | 0:17:01 | |
To gambol and be giddy on the moor | 0:17:01 | 0:17:04 | |
What then became of her I can't be sure | 0:17:05 | 0:17:08 | |
Though I have heard she made it to her nest | 0:17:09 | 0:17:11 | |
That was as warm as wool, if small and strait | 0:17:11 | 0:17:15 | |
Packed snugly from back wall to chimney breast | 0:17:15 | 0:17:19 | |
With peas and nuts and beans and rye and wheat | 0:17:19 | 0:17:22 | |
When she inclined, she had enough to eat | 0:17:25 | 0:17:27 | |
In peace and quiet there, amidst her store | 0:17:27 | 0:17:30 | |
But to her sister's house she went no more. | 0:17:32 | 0:17:35 | |
OK, Billy, let's go. | 0:17:43 | 0:17:45 | |
Okey-dokey. | 0:17:45 | 0:17:46 | |
Lots of 'first thing in the morning' energy. | 0:17:46 | 0:17:48 | |
EXAGGERATED LAUGH | 0:17:48 | 0:17:51 | |
Big thumbs up from Seamus Heaney there. | 0:17:54 | 0:17:56 | |
Once we had Seamus Heaney involved in this project and very interested | 0:18:02 | 0:18:06 | |
in working with us on this series, | 0:18:06 | 0:18:08 | |
we had then suggested to him to use a couple of different narrators. | 0:18:08 | 0:18:13 | |
Seamus kind of listened to us and then he said, | 0:18:13 | 0:18:16 | |
"Well, what about Billy Connolly?" | 0:18:16 | 0:18:18 | |
Aesop tells a tale - Aesop, my author... | 0:18:18 | 0:18:21 | |
He's highly intelligent and I saw him in a movie called Mrs Brown | 0:18:21 | 0:18:26 | |
where he acted John Brown - a servant to Queen Victoria. | 0:18:26 | 0:18:31 | |
It established him in my mind as somebody with possibilities | 0:18:31 | 0:18:36 | |
other than the wild man doing the comic act on the stage. | 0:18:36 | 0:18:41 | |
Which is also deeply attractive. | 0:18:41 | 0:18:43 | |
-Billy Connolly. -Billy Connolly. -Billy Connolly. -Mr Billy Connolly. | 0:18:43 | 0:18:47 | |
-Billy Connolly. -Billy Connolly. -Billy Connolly. | 0:18:47 | 0:18:49 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:18:49 | 0:18:51 | |
I've invented a new form of fishing. It's called nutting the salmon. | 0:18:51 | 0:18:55 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:18:55 | 0:18:56 | |
"There's one, John!" | 0:18:56 | 0:18:57 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:18:57 | 0:18:59 | |
So I thought that that wiliness and wildness | 0:18:59 | 0:19:04 | |
from the comic side of his performance, | 0:19:04 | 0:19:06 | |
and the strength of his performance as an actor, | 0:19:06 | 0:19:11 | |
that those would be two qualities to combine | 0:19:11 | 0:19:13 | |
because that's what we have in Henryson also. | 0:19:13 | 0:19:15 | |
This country mouse when winter came, endured | 0:19:15 | 0:19:18 | |
Cold and hunger and extreme distress... | 0:19:18 | 0:19:21 | |
He also had the accent, of course, | 0:19:21 | 0:19:24 | |
which is not to be disrespected either. | 0:19:24 | 0:19:27 | |
It's a down-home voice. It's a familiar voice. | 0:19:27 | 0:19:31 | |
It's a flexible voice that can do the intonations necessary | 0:19:31 | 0:19:34 | |
to make the poetry live, and it's a voice that has a chortle | 0:19:34 | 0:19:37 | |
in it and the poems have a chortle in them. | 0:19:37 | 0:19:41 | |
"Come where I live, and learn when you're my guest | 0:19:41 | 0:19:44 | |
"How my Good Friday is better than your Easter | 0:19:44 | 0:19:48 | |
"My dish-lickings more luscious than your feast" | 0:19:48 | 0:19:52 | |
I genuinely believe he's perfect for this | 0:19:52 | 0:19:55 | |
because he can bring out the humour and on the other hand | 0:19:55 | 0:19:58 | |
when things get profound, | 0:19:58 | 0:19:59 | |
when things get serious or finger-wagging, he can do that too. | 0:19:59 | 0:20:03 | |
His bonnet round, in the old-fashioned style | 0:20:03 | 0:20:06 | |
Beard white, eyes wide and grey, a head of hair | 0:20:06 | 0:20:09 | |
That curled and lay in locks upon each shoulder. | 0:20:09 | 0:20:13 | |
I thought, "My God, it's Billy Connolly!" | 0:20:13 | 0:20:15 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:20:15 | 0:20:18 | |
While we expected Billy to be messing around in the studio, | 0:20:18 | 0:20:21 | |
and of course there was a bit of that... | 0:20:21 | 0:20:22 | |
The firmament... Star-stippled shearing clear! | 0:20:22 | 0:20:27 | |
But basically he was incredibly professional. | 0:20:29 | 0:20:32 | |
He got his head down and got on with it. | 0:20:32 | 0:20:34 | |
Billy had an affinity with poetry. | 0:20:34 | 0:20:37 | |
He was very knowledgeable about it, he knew his Burns, | 0:20:37 | 0:20:40 | |
he was in awe of Seamus Heaney. | 0:20:40 | 0:20:42 | |
The funniest thing is I hated it at school. | 0:20:42 | 0:20:45 | |
I just learnt it by rote like everybody else | 0:20:45 | 0:20:48 | |
but when I left school I got a job in John Smith's bookshop | 0:20:48 | 0:20:52 | |
in St Vincent Street, the dispatch department, a messenger boy. | 0:20:52 | 0:20:57 | |
But I also had to sweep the floor in the morning, | 0:20:57 | 0:21:00 | |
and I remember lifting a wee book and having a look at it | 0:21:00 | 0:21:03 | |
when nobody was looking and it was a tartan book, a tourist | 0:21:03 | 0:21:09 | |
version of a book of Robert Burns's poems. | 0:21:09 | 0:21:13 | |
And then I found McGonagall. | 0:21:13 | 0:21:16 | |
Beautiful Railway Bridge of the Silv'ry Tay! | 0:21:16 | 0:21:20 | |
Alas! I am very sorry to say | 0:21:20 | 0:21:22 | |
That 90 lives have been taken away | 0:21:22 | 0:21:25 | |
On the last Sabbath day of 1879 | 0:21:25 | 0:21:28 | |
Which will be remember'd for a very long time. | 0:21:28 | 0:21:33 | |
After that I went seeking poetry and liking it for its own sake | 0:21:33 | 0:21:38 | |
and it's never kind of left me. | 0:21:38 | 0:21:41 | |
He obviously had a sudden predisposition to work on this | 0:21:41 | 0:21:46 | |
kind of material. | 0:21:46 | 0:21:48 | |
That's a subject matter quite close to his heart. | 0:21:48 | 0:21:50 | |
To live on earth and know the greatest joy, | 0:21:50 | 0:21:53 | |
content yourself with just a few possessions... | 0:21:53 | 0:21:57 | |
He got on brilliantly with Seamus, the two of them | 0:21:57 | 0:22:01 | |
had an instant rapport. | 0:22:01 | 0:22:03 | |
The two of them were quite in awe of each other. | 0:22:06 | 0:22:09 | |
-SEAMUS: -We're very lucky. | 0:22:09 | 0:22:11 | |
And I said to him, did you find this difficult? And he said no! | 0:22:11 | 0:22:15 | |
Pacing is the whole thing, isn't it, I mean... And er... | 0:22:15 | 0:22:22 | |
reading verse, keeping the line ending and the sense of shape and the movement. | 0:22:22 | 0:22:28 | |
Well, I had a wee go in bed last night, so... I wasn't speaking out | 0:22:28 | 0:22:32 | |
though, I was just reading it, speaking it into myself. | 0:22:32 | 0:22:37 | |
Cos the verse can be quite concealed. | 0:22:37 | 0:22:40 | |
There can be a dodgy way to get there and if you get it, it's lovely. | 0:22:40 | 0:22:43 | |
You get a lift. | 0:22:43 | 0:22:45 | |
I like the way you kept the metre and respected the shape on the page. | 0:22:45 | 0:22:49 | |
There's a definite metre there and rhyme. | 0:22:49 | 0:22:52 | |
-The comma is a mighty beast! -Yeah. | 0:22:52 | 0:22:56 | |
'Oh, I love him. He's great.' | 0:22:56 | 0:22:57 | |
He's... | 0:22:57 | 0:22:59 | |
How can I put it? He's a lot gentler than I expected him to be. | 0:23:00 | 0:23:04 | |
For some reason, I thought he'd be more aggressive. I don't know why, | 0:23:04 | 0:23:07 | |
never having met him before. But he's a big gentle dumpling, it's lovely. | 0:23:07 | 0:23:12 | |
We're getting very fastidious here. | 0:23:12 | 0:23:15 | |
I think he's amazing. Yeah. | 0:23:15 | 0:23:17 | |
Cos his reputation swells before him. | 0:23:17 | 0:23:20 | |
-It's kind of scary having you sitting out here. -Oh, for God's sake. Not at all! | 0:23:20 | 0:23:25 | |
Well, I admired Billy Connolly when he was doing the commentary, | 0:23:25 | 0:23:29 | |
reading the verse. He is, after all, a world star and so on. | 0:23:29 | 0:23:34 | |
But he took instruction, and he was as ready to get the thing | 0:23:35 | 0:23:40 | |
right for himself and for the director. | 0:23:40 | 0:23:43 | |
-It felt as though you were rushing that a wee bit at the beginning. -OK. | 0:23:43 | 0:23:47 | |
I am glad I didn't make the mistake there. I want to do it again. | 0:23:47 | 0:23:51 | |
I thought that there was total professionalism, | 0:23:51 | 0:23:54 | |
and that was something that made it a pleasure to work with him. | 0:23:54 | 0:23:58 | |
-Can I go? -All yours, sir. | 0:23:59 | 0:24:02 | |
The carter howls, "A gutting I'll give you, a herring treat | 0:24:02 | 0:24:06 | |
"A second helping that you'll not forget" | 0:24:06 | 0:24:09 | |
It was quite an interesting recording session, | 0:24:09 | 0:24:12 | |
because as I recall Seamus Heaney was editing his own work | 0:24:12 | 0:24:16 | |
during the recording session. | 0:24:16 | 0:24:17 | |
Billy would narrate an entire stanza - | 0:24:17 | 0:24:20 | |
of course, he narrated with great gusto and drama | 0:24:20 | 0:24:23 | |
and so forth - but sometimes he got stuck at certain words | 0:24:23 | 0:24:27 | |
and Seamus was sitting there with the book in hand and he would | 0:24:27 | 0:24:30 | |
then suggest an alternative word which would flow better. | 0:24:30 | 0:24:34 | |
Then Wolf said, "I will risk it. We must fetch that Lent-feed here." | 0:24:34 | 0:24:39 | |
Great. I want a wee chat with Tim. | 0:24:39 | 0:24:42 | |
If you couldn't see the text, | 0:24:42 | 0:24:43 | |
you might find that a little confusing if it's all run together. | 0:24:43 | 0:24:47 | |
I wonder whether - "We must fetch that...LENT-FEED here," maybe. | 0:24:47 | 0:24:53 | |
Maybe we could do something untoward and change it to "Lent food". | 0:24:53 | 0:24:59 | |
Oh, yeah, you could. "We must fetch the Lent food." | 0:24:59 | 0:25:05 | |
Billy, could you go back a page to, "We must fetch that Lent-feed." | 0:25:05 | 0:25:09 | |
-Can we change it to "that Lent food"? -Lent food. | 0:25:09 | 0:25:13 | |
I was thinking of a feed in the northern sense. | 0:25:13 | 0:25:16 | |
Then Wolf said, "I will risk it. We must fetch that Lent-food here." | 0:25:17 | 0:25:23 | |
He was asking us, "Is this the right word? | 0:25:23 | 0:25:25 | |
"Is it a slang word, do you want to change it to this or that?" | 0:25:25 | 0:25:28 | |
So we had a lot of little suggestions. | 0:25:28 | 0:25:30 | |
Some of Seamus's language was a little bit colourful, and | 0:25:30 | 0:25:33 | |
we had to be mindful of the family audience we were pitching this at. | 0:25:33 | 0:25:37 | |
"And if I begged and went down on my knees on all fours here | 0:25:37 | 0:25:41 | |
"before him in the gutter, yon idiot wouldn't hand one | 0:25:41 | 0:25:45 | |
"herring over. But still, no matter, wait a while and see. | 0:25:45 | 0:25:49 | |
"I'll put one over on him presently." | 0:25:49 | 0:25:52 | |
For the second recording in Belfast Seamus couldn't make it | 0:25:52 | 0:25:55 | |
up to the recording but he was desperate to be across it, | 0:25:55 | 0:25:58 | |
so we installed Skype in his house in Dublin. And we were sitting there | 0:25:58 | 0:26:03 | |
with a computer screen with Seamus all the way through the session. | 0:26:03 | 0:26:07 | |
By this stage, Seamus was in his element, and he had his red | 0:26:08 | 0:26:12 | |
biro out and was making changes left, right and centre. | 0:26:12 | 0:26:15 | |
There was quite a lot of changes in the second session. | 0:26:15 | 0:26:18 | |
-Including one or two mistakes. -Is it "who WRITE those fables"? | 0:26:18 | 0:26:21 | |
I've just seen it. I think it should be maybe "who wrote", definitely. | 0:26:21 | 0:26:26 | |
You can get away with "who write" but "who wrote" is more natural. | 0:26:26 | 0:26:29 | |
Let's change it to "wrote", says Seamus. | 0:26:29 | 0:26:32 | |
I'm sure it was a mistake first time round. | 0:26:32 | 0:26:34 | |
Seamus is confessing to a mistake here! | 0:26:34 | 0:26:36 | |
Seamus was having a lot of fun with this. | 0:26:38 | 0:26:40 | |
He was making some changes, letting a few other imperfections go. | 0:26:40 | 0:26:44 | |
It was all to do with Billy's delivery really. | 0:26:44 | 0:26:47 | |
"But one good turn deserves another so do we free him?" | 0:26:47 | 0:26:51 | |
"Sister," they said, "We do!" | 0:26:51 | 0:26:55 | |
That's terrific. | 0:26:56 | 0:26:58 | |
I just wonder if it would help to put Aesop | 0:26:58 | 0:27:01 | |
into the vocative there somewhere. | 0:27:01 | 0:27:03 | |
-"Master, I asked Aesop." -Rewrite from the writer! | 0:27:03 | 0:27:07 | |
"Master, I asked Aesop" I think, to run better. | 0:27:07 | 0:27:10 | |
"Maser," I asked Aesop, "does a morality attach to this fable?" | 0:27:10 | 0:27:15 | |
"Master," I asked Aesop, "does a morality attach to this fable?" | 0:27:15 | 0:27:19 | |
"Yes," he said. "A good one." "Please," I said then, | 0:27:19 | 0:27:24 | |
"share it in conclusion." | 0:27:24 | 0:27:26 | |
Very good. Yeah. | 0:27:26 | 0:27:30 | |
Blessed be simple life lived free of dread | 0:27:31 | 0:27:34 | |
And blessed be a frugal decency | 0:27:34 | 0:27:37 | |
Whoever has enough is not in need | 0:27:37 | 0:27:40 | |
No matter how reduced his portion be | 0:27:40 | 0:27:43 | |
Abundance, comfort, blind prosperity | 0:27:43 | 0:27:47 | |
Often prove the last and worst illusion: | 0:27:47 | 0:27:51 | |
So to be safe, not sorry in this country | 0:27:51 | 0:27:54 | |
Content yourself with just a few possessions. | 0:27:54 | 0:27:58 |