Episode 15 Debatable

Hello and welcome to Debatable, where today,

one player must answer a series of tricky questions to try to

walk away with a jackpot of over £3,000.

But, as always, they're not on their own.

They will have a panel of well known faces debating their way to

the answers. Will they be all talk and no action, however?

As always, that's debatable. So, let's meet them.

Chin-wagging their way to the answers today,

we have writer and journalist Grace Dent, we have broadcaster

Dan Walker, and former royal correspondent Jennie Bond.

CHEERS AND APPLAUSE

Hello. Hello. Good afternoon.

It's a very finely balanced panel, I have to say, Dan.

-You're taking charge today.

-That's a big responsibility, Patrick.

-I'm slightly concerned about this.

-It is!

-But you've got the knowledge to back it up.

-Occasionally.

Stop building it up.

Stop it!

So, what are you hoping for? What's the strengths and weaknesses?

-Well, obviously, you know, Jennie knows everything.

-Oh, gosh!

Jennie does know a lot. She really does.

-There's a lot of knowledge in there. Grace...

-What am I?

-I'm just getting to you, Grace.

-Come on, get to me.

-Hang on. She's started already.

-"Hey! What am I? Chopped liver?"

-No, deep and powerful insight.

As a columnist, I know a little bit about a lot of things.

And I shall be sort of threading that knowledge together and

funnelling it towards money.

He's diplomatic, Grace, if nothing else. LAUGHTER

I have to say. That is the panel. Let's meet today's contestant.

It is Shabs from Chigwell. APPLAUSE

-Shabs, welcome to the show.

-Thank you very much.

-Congratulations.

You are the only contestant we've had on this series that is

actually dressed smarter than the host.

I don't know what to say!

So, tell us a little bit about yourself, Shabs.

I have two jobs. I work in finance during the week and I'm

a toastmaster at the weekends.

So, which one do you enjoy most?

-Well, if my boss is watching, then I enjoy my finance job.

-Yes.

But I do really, really enjoy being a toastmaster at the weekends, cos you get to meet

-so many different people, you get to go to so many different events.

-And what does a toastmaster do?

So do you have to wear the full outfit, all that stuff?

You dress like a tomato from head to toe.

-Yes.

-As you can see, I'm a very tall guy, so it's sweeping the floor.

You just host events, you introduce acts,

you host weddings and you just bring everything together, really.

So, what do you make of today's panel?

I'm actually quite comforted cos it's quite diverse and I'm

feeling very confident because of these guys, not because of me.

-You're a diplomat, aren't you?

-I learned from the best, Paddy.

-You're a diplomat. Very good.

OK, well, look, you're going to have to pay close attention to

them because you can only choose one to play the Final Debate.

-Let's go.

-All set?

-All set.

-OK, best of luck, Shabs.

Let's play Round One.

Round One is multiple choice. Four possible answers.

Four questions in this round. A possible £800 up for grabs.

£200 for each correct answer. Let's go.

Is that a knowing smile or an "I don't know anything" smile?

That's a wait and see smile, Paddy.

A wait and see smile, with a little wink.

Which means - we may know this. Let's see if our panel do.

Your debate starts now.

-OK.

-I think Mrs Brown's Boys is actually fairly recent.

Because it's been the one that's cleaned up at Christmas for

about three years.

Miranda is also fairly recent because it started as

a radio show and then went to a TV show. There's only two things...

It's either Gavin & Stacey or The Inbetweeners.

-The Inbetweeners has had time to make two Hollywood movies.

-Yeah.

Gavin & Stacey, when you watch the original series now,

it does feel like it has been around for an awful long time.

-It feels like it's been around for a long time.

-Yeah.

-How old was I?

-Hang on a minute.

-I interviewed Ruth.

That was before my last husband...

LAUGHTER

-I remember...

-I didn't realise we had Elizabeth Taylor on the panel.

I remember interviewing James Corden in 2009...

-And this was when he first made the breakthrough...

-..in 2009.

-..from when he was in the Fat Club thingy on ITV with Ruth Jones.

-Yeah.

That's right.

So I think Gavin & Stacey had been around for a while cos he was

well known and we did it at Upton Park, where West Ham used to play.

-OK.

-And that was 2009. Cos I'd just started on Football Focus and

he was one of the first interviews, celebrity football fans, we did.

-So 2009.

-So he'd been around for a few years...

Gavin & Stacey, I think, had been around for a few years before that.

-Before 2009?

-Yeah.

-They all seem...

-Those boys in The Inbetweeners,

they were kids in that and now they're adults.

From what you're saying, though,

I would say maybe The Inbetweeners is the earliest.

Come on, you make the final decision.

I know I'm sitting in the middle,

but with your televisual knowledge, which one are we going to go for?

-Let's go for Gavin & Stacey.

-OK.

-Gavin & Stacey?

Jennie Bond is unsure. Grace has got her hands on her head.

-But we are going to go for Gavin & Stacey.

-So invested in this!

We think.

-So...

-That was terrible!

From that timeline, they are going for Gavin & Stacey.

My initial reaction was The Inbetweeners.

But...

-DAN:

-Oh, no!

Having heard what Dan said, I think I'm going to go with the panel.

-OK, you're going with the panel and you're saying...?

-Gavin & Stacey.

Was Gavin & Stacey broadcast first, for £200?

APPLAUSE

-Well done!

-Yes!

Shabs, I'm exhausted!

Can I go home?

-You're staying, Grace!

-That was fantastic.

-Well done, guys.

Very well done. Gavin & Stacey began on BBC Three in 2007.

The Inbetweeners began on E4 in 2008,

with the episode First Day.

Miranda began on BBC Two in 2009.

And Mrs Brown's Boys began on BBC One in 2011.

First episode was called The Mammy.

Well done, panel.

Well done, Shabs. You're up and running. £200.

APPLAUSE

OK, here comes your next question.

I have no idea at all.

Don't worry. Don't worry.

I'm sure our panel can quickly sort this out for you, Shabs.

Panel, your debate starts now.

I think we can confidently say, we also have no idea.

But let's try and work it out.

Which one of those do you think is the most likely?

Anything goes in America now, doesn't it?

-You couldn't make it up.

-My gut instinct is that the top two...

-Yeah.

-..are almost too silly.

So, there is an attack by a sentient computer - is that not more

or less the millennium bug?

Wouldn't they already have something prepared for what was going

to happen at the millennium,

when suddenly sentient computers might suddenly take over the Earth?

So wouldn't they have that in the bag, maybe?

-There's a difference, isn't there, between...?

-Sentient.

A bug over the millennium and a sentient computer that

-actually can decide what it's doing.

-But maybe that's just terminology.

-Legal terminology.

-What do we understand by sentient computer?

A computer that is sort of aware of what it's doing and can make

-conscious decisions, I would imagine.

-OK.

-And they exist already? Do they?

-I have...

-I don't know.

I don't know. Probably, somewhere deep underground, in an

-underground bunker.

-I think that's the one they'd go for. Probably.

My gut would be that they may have an extra-terrestrial invasion

-one as well because they are very, very into that idea.

-Exactly.

-I agree on that.

-They take that a lot more seriously

in America than, say, we do here.

And yet, I know you sort of dismissed the zombie pandemic

-thing, but...

-I don't want to think that the US Government have

a plan if corpses can come back to life and try to feast on brains.

You make a very strong point. An extra-terrestrial thing,

you can imagine people sitting round a table and thinking - what are we

going to do when the guys with green heads come and point guns at us?

Or whatever happens. How do we deal with that? Where do we go?

Where do we take the President? Where do we take the First Lady?

Yeah. I'm going to go with you and I'm

-completely...

-Extra-terrestrials.

-I'm with you. I'm with you.

-OK.

We are going to go with the most likely being

an extra-terrestrial invasion.

So, Shabs, we now know that our panel don't have

a clue about this either. LAUGHTER

Anything in there to fire anything for you?

You know, what the panel have selected,

an extra-terrestrial invasion, can, in the US minds, it can happen.

You know, it's a possibility.

An attack by a sentient computer is probably more of a realistic answer.

-So?

-So, I've confused myself even more.

Go for the zombies!

-SHABS:

-OK, let's go for an attack

-by sentient computers, please.

-OK.

You've gone against the panel,

who believe that it's an extra-terrestrial invasion.

For £200, the correct answer is...

..a zombie pandemic.

No!

I said go for the zombies!

-No!

-I'm so sorry!

-No way!

-You could not make it up!

-I kid you not!

-The page is called zombie preparedness.

-Wow!

It appears that it is less than 100% serious. The website states,

"As it turns out, what first began as a tongue-in-cheek campaign to

"engage new audiences in preparedness messages,

"it has proven to be a very effective platform."

-And so they decided to keep it.

-There you go.

Here comes your next question.

Jennie...! LAUGHTER

I think, and Jennie's probably going to tell

me off about this if I get this wrong,

-but I think it's Anne, Princess Royal.

-OK, you think it's Anne.

I think.

Well, look, it doesn't really matter what you think because,

I mean, the panel will clearly sort this out very, very quickly.

-Panel, your debate starts now.

-I might be in the central area here,

but I think we should get the Bond involved!

Completely.

-Well, um, we all know that Diana married very young.

-Was she 20?

-19, 20?

-She was 19.

Yeah, 19, just going on 20, is what my memory of it is.

Birthday's end of July and she married at the beginning of July?

And I think it was 19, going on 20, or is it 20, going on...?

I think it was 19, going on 20.

I think she was 19 because I think that it's an age which feels

-very young now.

-Yeah.

Yeah, and I do remember at the time when the Duchess...

You know, we had all that pomp and ceremony when

the Duchess of Cambridge got married.

I remember them saying she was quite old for a royal bride.

-She went through university.

-They had lived together for ten years.

She was, like, 29. 29 or something, was she?

About 27, 28, something like that.

-Definitely not the Duchess of Cambridge.

-OK.

So, let's discount that one. We're down to three.

I have no idea how old the Queen...

She was married before she was crowned, wasn't she?

-Yes, she was married in 1947, on November 20th.

-OK.

Shabs, you could not have a better person on the panel here,

-by the way.

-She was born in April 1926,

so she was 21 and a half when she got married.

OK, so older than Princess Diana.

-So it's down to Anne or Diana.

-Yeah.

-Well, Anne, I'm pretty sure she was 22 or 23 when she got married.

-OK.

Anne. Duchess of Cambridge, we know, was older.

Diana was 19, I think, going on 20, possibly 20, 21. I think 19.

-I think 19.

-Yeah.

19. So Anne, 22-23, and Elizabeth, 21 and a half.

-Never doubt the royal correspondent.

-And if it's wrong, I'm leaving.

-You do the rest of the show on your own.

-You're retiring.

Forever. OK, this is big. Shabs, this is big pressure.

We are fully in Team Bond and we think you can confidently say

the answer is Princess Diana.

No pressure on Jennie here(!) They are going for Princess Diana.

Given the faith I have in my panel,

and the confidence that I have in Jennie, I'll go with Princess Diana.

OK, you're going with the panel. For £200, did she marry youngest?

She did. APPLAUSE

Very well done.

-Very well played.

-I'm glad I listened.

-Very well played.

Princess Anne was 23 years old whenever she married her

first husband, Captain Mark Phillips.

Princess Diana was 20 when she got married. Charles was 32.

Queen Elizabeth II was 21 when she got married.

The Duchess of Cambridge was 29 when she got married.

Very well played, panel.

Very well done, Shabs. Another £200 into your prize pot.

You're up to £400.

APPLAUSE

OK, here comes the final question in this round.

-I will probably go for fish scales.

-Any particular reason?

Because I'm hoping I've never tasted carmine that

-has the other stuff in it.

-OK.

Based on the fact that you're hoping that it doesn't taste of the

other three, I mean, it's as good a reasoning as any.

Panel, can you bring anything to this?

-Your debate starts now.

-Food critic...?

I remember my brother dyeing his hair red in the '70s cos

he was a punk and he dyed it with red food colouring

that you would use to put icing on a cake.

I seem to remember there being

some huge argument that red food colouring is made

from crushed ants, or insects. Is it not cochineal?

-Yes.

-Is cochineal...

-Beetles, I think, isn't it?

..not insects?

And does cochineal... I don't know what

carmine is, I've never heard that word,

but I seem to remember red beetles, insects, food colouring.

My reasoning is very different to food dye.

-Go on.

-On Saturday kitchen,

-I'm sure I remember James Martin making somebody's food hell.

-Yes.

They made it red and the reason it was their food hell is because they

hate insects and insects was used in the dye to make the food colouring.

-Yes.

-Right. Insects are quite nice, actually.

I've eaten quite a few in the jungle, this and that, you know?

Maggots and stick insects. That was particularly delicious.

-Any red ones?

-No, no.

All very crunchy, but I certainly, instinctively, went straight

-for insects because I think it is a kind of beetle.

-Yeah.

It's revolting really, but...

So for three different reasons, we all think it's insects.

-It's not going to be animal droppings, is it?

-No.

We've got the triple triangle of power here.

We have got hair dye,

we've got beetle knowledge and we've got Saturday Kitchen.

With those three, Shabs, coming together, you cannot go wrong.

It is, we can say with some degree of confidence, insects.

They think it's insects.

I think it's sufficient to say,

that based on what the panel have said, I will go with insects.

You're going with the panel. Is carmine made from insects, for £200?

-Yes!

-It's the correct answer!

Very well done. Well played.

Carmine is used in pork sausages, in pies,

in dried fish and shrimp, sweets, pills, jams,

lipstick and rouge and, Grace, it is also used in hair dye.

-Thank your brother. Thank your brother.

-Yeah.

Very good all-round knowledge. Well done, Shabs.

-It means at the end of Round One, you are up to £600.

-Thank you.

Let's see how they cope with pictures.

It's time for Round Two. APPLAUSE

OK, Shabs, Round Two is our picture round.

We need you to put three pictures in the correct order.

Three questions in this round, £300 for each correct answer,

a possible 900 up for grabs. Here comes your first one.

I'm going to pass this over to the panel, Paddy.

Is that because you know this, Shabs,

or is this because you've no tennis knowledge whatsoever?

I have no tennis knowledge whatsoever!

OK, panel, let's see if we can sort this out for Shabs.

Your debate starts now.

OK. You love your tennis, don't you?

I absolutely love tennis, addicted to it, listen to it,

watch it whenever I can.

And I think this is going to be very close between the three of them.

-Grace?

-Oh, absolutely in doubt.

I have not as much knowledge as you two on this.

The only thing I know is that how gorgeous Bjorn Borg was

during the '70s, to me.

I mean, if I was to put them in order of attractiveness,

I would be completely useful to you.

Well, I tell you what, I think you put them in order of

attractiveness and I'll tell you whether...

-I've interviewed all three of these.

-All right.

-For various reasons.

I need to think about it. Bjorn, then John, then Jimmy.

OK, so the most attractive there.

And that... But I think, bizarrely, that that is actually the right

order for the answer, because, right,

I think, I went to the launch of his

-pant range.

-Yeah.

-To interview him, not because I liked the pants.

And there was a big banner

-that said, "Five-time Wimbledon champion."

-OK.

I distinctly remember it, so I think he's won it five times.

He should've won it a lot more than he did.

I think McEnroe, either four or three.

I think three, but definitely not five, and Connors, I think, won two.

-OK.

-You're so confident.

I'm quietly confident that we're going to put them in the

order that Grace finds them the most attractive. There we go.

Connors, McEnroe, Borg is the answer, we believe.

OK. So we've basically played Snog, Marry, Avoid.

They're going for Jimmy Connors with the fewest,

then John McEnroe, then Bjorn Borg.

I think I'm going to go with the panel.

-OK. You've pretty much no tennis knowledge yourself.

-Whatsoever.

-So you're going with the panel.

-I'm going with the panel.

For £300, starting with the fewest titles, going up to the most.

Is that the correct order?

Yes!

High five it. It's that time in the quiz show. There you go.

Very well played.

And, I mean, purely based on attractiveness, Grace,

you managed to sort this out.

Connors won two in 1974 and 1982, you were right about that.

-McEnroe has three wins.

-OK.

-'81, '83, '84.

And Borg won five in a row from '76 through to 1980 inclusive.

Very well done, panel.

£300 into your prize pot, Shabs, you're now up to £900.

APPLAUSE

Let's have a look at your second picture question.

Classic literature, Shabs. Your first thought would be?

Our Mutual Friend...

-..Jane Eyre, and Frankenstein.

-OK, hold that thought.

Panel, can we bring anything to this? Your debate starts now.

-How embarrassing.

-Yes, I feel devoid of...all knowledge.

-No, I think that Shabs was actually right.

-What did Shabs say?

I think Shabs said... So there was Charles Dickens...

Would be the earliest.

-I think that we all have a hunch he's the earliest.

-OK.

Charles Dickens, was that not 18th century?

19th century?

-I would say 1800s, maybe.

-I've been to his house in Portsmouth.

Oh, that's a big help. What did you learn?

-I dressed up like Charles Dickens.

-Right.

I've got a degree in English literature. This is so embarrassing.

-I wore a hat. I did wear a hat.

-To me that's first.

-OK.

And then I'm pretty sure that's kind of turn of the century.

And what about Jane Eyre?

Maybe, I've just watched Sally Wainwright's To Walk...

The whole drama about that

and now I can't remember when that was published.

And I'm also thinking about the fact that...

..Mary Shelley published that under her real name,

whereas Charlotte Bronte couldn't, because she was a woman,

so it had to be under the name of Currer Bell, so...

I think that.

Does that make... Am I making... Am I sounding logical?

-Listen, you've clearly got the knowledge there.

-Right.

-We're going in this order.

-We're going to go, in order,

we're going to go with Mr Dickens as the earliest,

Jane Eyre by Charlotte Bronte in the middle,

and Mary Shelley's Frankenstein at the end.

Any of that convincing? Panel actually agreeing with you on this.

That's a first.

Based on what the panel said, very logical and I will stick

to my original answer and agree with the panel.

OK. It was your original thought.

You think the panel has given you enough to back that up.

For £300, is that the correct order?

-Oh!

-It's the wrong order.

-Wow.

-I'm so sorry.

-Let's have a look at the right order.

-I feel bad.

Wow.

-Frankenstein published first.

-Oh, really?

Then Jane Eyre and then Our Mutual Friend.

-Oh, dear.

-Well,

Frankenstein was written by Mary Shelley and published in 1818.

-Wow!

-The full title,

Frankenstein - Or The Modern Prometheus. Jane Eyre was written

under Charlotte Bronte's pseudonym, Currer Bell.

It was first published in 1847.

Our Mutual Friend was written by Charles Dickens and first

published in serial form, 1864-65, and in book form in 1865.

It was Dickens' last completed novel.

OK, panel, tough luck on that. Shabs, tough luck.

I'm afraid no money added to the price pot,

but still one more picture question to go in this round.

Here it comes.

-Let's see what the panel has to say.

-And that means?

And that means I think I know what the answer is.

Ah! He thinks he does.

OK, panel, your debate starts now.

-OK.

-I've never seen a Batman film.

-Excellent.

-And neither have I.

-Excellent.

-Really?

-Never seen one.

-Just not my bag, I'm afraid.

-I have seen them all.

-Have you?

Which did you see first?

-Absolutely no idea.

-So they're rom-coms, right?

LAUGHTER

I've got vague... Michael Keaton had a ridiculously low voice.

Again, that's very unhelpful, but I remember he had a low...

It's a detail.

I've got memories of Val Kilmer doing Batman years ago.

My gut instinct from looking at this is it seems like an awfully

long time since Val Kilmer was... would be the kind of person that

-got one of these enormous roles.

-I'm with you.

Again, I've seen them all, but I can't remember.

I think Val Kilmer, probably, I would say, the earliest.

Again, if Shabs has got a better idea than us, that'd be great.

Clooney the latest, do you think?

Well, again, looking at the picture...

-I don't remember him ever being...

-He was quite funny as Batman.

I think, based on no knowledge, never seen a film,

I'd put Kilmer, Keaton and then Clooney.

Well, listen, last time, you put them in order of the most

attractive. Do you want to give that...?

It worked with the tennis players.

So we're going to go there, there and there, do we think? Do we?

-I don't know.

-Kilmer, Keaton, Clooney?

-Never seen one.

-What order would you do?

-This.

-You're happy with that?

-Yeah.

I think together we've produced an incredible answer for you, Shabs,

and we're going to go with Val Kilmer first to play Batman,

Michael Keaton and his deep voice second to play Batman,

and the last fella we're going to go with is gorgeous George.

Dan claims they've gone for an incredible answer,

in the true sense of the word incredible, ie, maybe not credible.

Prior to the discussion, from the panel, I would've said

Michael, Val, then George,

but I am going to go with the panel's decision.

-You're going to go with the panel?

-I'm going to go with the panel.

-OK.

For £300, is that the correct order?

(I'm holding my breath.)

It's the wrong order! Shabs, let's have a look.

-The correct order...

-Oh, Shabs.

Oh! You should've gone with your first thought.

Michael Keaton, then Val Kilmer, then George Clooney.

Michael Keaton played Batman in 1989.

He also played him again in 1992.

Then Val Kilmer played the Caped Crusader in Batman Forever

in 1995, and then George Clooney played him in Batman And Robin

-in 1997 alongside Chris O'Donnell.

-A collective apology.

-Sorry.

-There we go.

Nothing for that one, Shabs.

It means at the end of Round Two, you're on £900.

APPLAUSE

There's still £1,500 up for grabs as we play Round Three.

OK, Shabs, in this round you will face questions that contain three

statements, about a person, a place or a thing.

Only one of them is true.

We need you to find that true statement. Because it's the final

round, £500 up for grabs for each correct answer, a possible 1,500,

so plenty of chances to get your prize pot up.

Here comes your first question.

I'm going to go for a wild guess,

and I'm going to go for...B.

You think B.

And by looking at the blank looks on our panel's faces,

they may also be going for a blind guess.

Your debate starts now.

This is the purpose of this programme, isn't it?

We've got to try and work this one out for Shabs.

OK, let's go wild stab in the dark.

Which one would you go for, just off the top of your...noggin?

-I would go for B as well, 2061.

-OK. Me too.

I would as well and I think that's because the last time

I heard that mentioned,

Halley's Comet mentioned,

I remember thinking I wouldn't be around.

Unlikely to have appeared twice, perhaps, during anyone's lifetime.

Yeah, unless you're ludicrously old, but then, I'm thinking about that,

because maybe that's... And why it's named after him, yeah.

-That's an awfully good point.

-Because he was the first person

to see it and then the second time, he named it.

-"I've seen it twice, it's mine."

-That's terribly logical.

Halley's Comet is in the Bayeux Tapestry, isn't it?

-Oh, hello. Here we go. Where has that come from?

-And that's...

Is that not around 1066?

-That would mean it's not right, then.

-Yeah.

If it is, then that was before, so that wouldn't be right. Ah-ha!

So we can discount for actual historical reasons rather than

just the fact that it's a round year.

It doesn't say, "It first appeared," it just says, "It appeared."

Oh, yeah, that's true.

Often, my issue is reading the question.

I...

I think that the first one seems a bit strange to me.

I still suggest that...

-I think that our gut instinct was...

-Yeah, go with the gut.

..was B, and we...

-The triple triangle of power...

-Once that comes, you can't...

And Shabs thought that, too.

The square of destiny.

LAUGHTER

We form... Listen, that... You've convinced me.

-The square of certainty.

-Yes.

The square of certainty and destiny has spoken, Shabs.

And we think, along with you, that Halley's Comet

will appear next in 2061.

What do you think?

I'm going to go with my gut feeling.

And I'm going to stick to B and agree with the... What was it?

The square...?

-The square of certainty.

-The square of certainty.

-So you're going with your gut?

-Going with my gut.

You're going with the panel,

even though the panel have got the last two questions wrong?

-I'm going to go with B.

-OK, you're going with B.

It is expected to appear again around 2061.

For £500, is that the true statement?

CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

The square...has spoken!

We're back!

-Very well played. Very well played.

-We really needed that.

We needed that so much.

The comet returns roughly every 75 years.

It famously appeared in 1066

and IS depicted in the Bayeux Tapestry.

Where on earth did that come from?

Good knowledge.

But wasn't seen again until 1145.

We're back on track, £500 into the prize pot, you are up to £1,400.

APPLAUSE

OK, here comes your next question, for £500.

Let's see what the panel have to say.

Let's see what the panel have to say about this.

Panel, can you remember the '90s?

Your debate starts now.

I loved Oasis.

I did love Oasis.

I had a bit of time for Blur as well.

Remember they had that big chart battle

and Blur won - Country House was number one?

Hang on, "Blur had more UK number one singles than them..."

See, that seems more feasible,

because Blur, I think, were just more prolific

and went on for longer,

and didn't fall out with each other.

-That's a good point.

-Let's see - Country House, Charming Man...

-You could go through loads of them from Blur.

-Girls...

-Yeah.

-Hang on.

The third one, unless I am being very silly,

I can't think of anything that's an anagram.

I can't.

I always thought, was it Cigarettes and Alcohol, they had?

-I don't know. That's definitely not, is it?

-No.

They don't speak at all to each other now.

I'd have thought that I'd have heard

something about them having birthdays

and not speaking to each other on their birthdays.

-Yeah.

-Yeah, that would have come up.

OK. All right.

By a method of sort of strange musical deduction,

I think we are going to go with Blur

had more UK number one singles

than Oasis in the 1990s.

We believe that to be the case.

OK, the panel going for A.

-Let's go for A.

-You're going to go for A?

-Let's go for A.

-OK.

Did Blur have more UK number one singles

than Oasis in the '90s, for £500?

The correct statement is...

GROANING

Oh, we couldn't do the anagram.

-You couldn't do the anagram.

-What was it?

Supersonic.

-Supersonic?

-Oh, no.

-Supersonic!

PANEL LAUGH

Noel was born on 29 May, 1967,

Liam was born on 21 September, 1972.

Oasis had four UK number ones.

Blur, despite winning that head-to-head battle

with Country House, they only had two number ones...

-They weren't number ones.

-..in the 1990s.

OK, guys, I'm afraid nothing for that.

No money there. Still £500 up for grabs.

Here is your final question of this round.

-SHABS:

-One thing I can say is, I don't think B's right.

So let's see what these guys have to say.

OK, you think you can eliminate B.

Panel, anything on this?

Your debate starts now.

My confidence has completely gone.

Would...?

They all sound absolutely feasible.

OK, why would there be no W?

Imagine if you are... Does it feel too much like an M?

-But Braille isn't just a representation of...

-No.

Is it completely different symbols?

I don't really know.

I've seen it many times.

-Yeah...

-I'm trying to think if

I've seen a hand going that way or that way.

-You and I both did that instinctively.

-Yeah, right-to-left.

Was it Louis Braille - was that the name of the...?

-I think so.

-Yes, that sounds right.

-OK, I've got vague...

-Hang on.

I don't want to throw anything out there that makes me look stupid.

-Wasn't Louis Braille...?

-Was it not?

Did he not have sight impairment?

-That's what I'm thinking.

-Yes.

-I'm thinking that Braille himself wasn't 20-20.

-Yeah.

-I'm glad you had that same thought, cos that was in my head.

-Yeah.

-Was he French or was he English?

-I think he's French.

So we think he might be French.

So why would the French not like Ws?

Yeah, good point.

When I've seen people reading Braille, it is kind of like that.

But then, do they...? Is it like that?

Is it both ways? What do you think?

Why would you...? Why would you do it that way?

Is it because most people are right-handed,

so they would start there, rather than going there all the time?

They would start where it was more logical?

-I think we are less keen on the 20-20 vision, aren't we?

-OK.

-Yes.

And I think the one we all went for was right-to-left.

OK, from the pit of no knowledge,

we think the middle one -

Braille in English is read right-to-left

-is the one that you should, perhaps, go for...

-Possibly.

-..or avoid.

There is a clue in the panel's level of certainty there,

I think, Shabs.

Anything in there to fire something for you?

I'm going to take a risk and agree with the panel,

because, again, it may sound silly, but it's different.

So I'm going to go with B.

OK, you're going with the panel.

You think that Braille in English is read right-to-left.

It's the final chance to put some money

in the prize pot. For £500...

..the correct statement is...

AUDIENCE GASPS

GROANING The correct statement was C.

There was no W in the original system.

Louis Braille lost his sight in a childhood accident.

It was Louis Braille who invented Braille.

There was no W in the French language

when Braille came up with the code.

Sorry, panel. Sorry, Shabs.

At the end of our final round,

your prize pot is up to £1,400.

So it's still a tidy little sum.

One question between you and that money.

If you manage to win the Final Debate today, what do you think?

What you fancy spending that money on?

See, I have recently moved home.

And...

I want a new fish tank.

LAUGHTER OK.

How big would you like that fish tank to be?

PANEL LAUGHS

Think small, Shabs. Think small.

-DAN:

-It's minimalist. Minimalist fish tank.

Less is more with these things.

There is only one question between you and that cash.

It is, of course, the Final Debate.

In the Final Debate, there are six possible answers.

Only three are correct.

We need you to get all three of those answers.

However, you won't be on your own,

because you will have one of these fine intellects

to help you on your quest.

Will you be going supersonic with Grace?

Will you be looking back in anger with Dan?

Or do you want to roll with it and choose Jennie?

I've made my decision.

And the person that I'm going with...

is...

Dan.

-Dan, would you please join us for the Final Debate?

-Come on!

OK, Dan, Shabs has chosen you. He is ready to go.

-Come on, Shabs, we can do this.

-This is the confidence we need.

We've had a bad sort of 60 minutes,

-we're going to drive through at the end here.

-OK.

Anything you're hoping to see up there?

Anything you're hoping to avoid?

-The subject of Braille, something to do with that.

-Yes.

-Oasis hits.

-I'm hoping to see some sport.

OK. Well, look, it is the Final Debate,

so you do get two categories to choose from.

Have a look at this.

Tell me what you fancy between...

OK, if I get Footballers wrong, this will be bad.

I'm assuming you're going for Composers(?)

-LAUGHTER

-His choice. Shabs' choice.

We're going to go for Footballers.

Absolutely no pressure, Dan Walker(!)

-Come on.

-OK, here we go.

-Think about the fish tank.

-Think about fish tank.

Best of luck. £1,400 up for grabs,

45 seconds on the clock,

here comes your Final Debate question about Footballers.

Yep.

No.

48.

Possibly.

Your Final Debate starts now.

OK, Gary Lineker, gone, 48.

Ryan Giggs didn't get 50 for Wales.

Robbie Keane, definitely.

-Any thoughts?

-None.

I'm... So we need three?

We need three answers.

Robbie Keane is a definite.

-Gary Lineker?

-No, 48.

Didier Drogba, Ivory Coast,

-I would imagine, yes.

-OK.

Robbie, Didier...

Robbie Keane, Didier Drogba...

20 seconds.

And then, it's one of Thierry Henry and Diego Maradona.

I don't think Thierry Henry

scored 50 for...France...

..because... No, I don't think.

I think it's probably Maradona.

So we've got Maradona,

-Keane and Drogba.

-I think.

-OK.

OK? If I'm wrong, then I'm just going to walk off.

OK, time is up.

Three answers.

Maradona, Keane and Drogba.

OK, you know how this works, guys.

We need all three of these to be correct.

So you were most confident about...?

-It was Keane.

-OK, Robbie Keane.

Has Robbie Keane scored 50 or more international goals?

He's got loads.

Come on, Shabs. Come on. Come on.

Come on!

He has! APPLAUSE

Of course he has.

-Let's continue the cuddle.

-Come on, come on.

Robbie Keane, Ireland's top scorer, 68 goals.

Next one you were going for?

-Let's go Drogba.

-Let's go Drogba.

-Let's go Drogba.

-OK.

You thought Drogba from the Ivory Coast

possibly has scored 50 or more international goals.

-We need this to be correct in order to stay in the game.

-Come on, DD!

Come on. Come on!

Didier!

Yes! APPLAUSE

He has scored 65 goals for the Ivory Coast.

-OK.

-Right.

So you completely discounted Gary Lineker,

you completely discounted Ryan Giggs.

You weren't sure about Thierry Henry,

and you plumped for Maradona.

It's all on this one.

For £1,400...

..has Diego Maradona scored 50 or more international goals?

-DAN:

-Diego, my friend.

Come on!

GROANING

It's the wrong answer.

-DAN:

-Is it Thierry?

-Dan, Shabs.

-Oh, no.

Maradona only scored 34 goals for Argentina.

It was close.

The correct answer was...

It was Thierry Henry.

-DAN:

-Dear me!

Thierry Henry scored 51 goals for France.

Did he really? Oh, dear.

One of those goals was after handling a ball against Ireland,

which kept Ireland from going to the World Cup.

We'll now have a minute's silence for that.

LAUGHTER

-I'm so, so sorry, Shabs.

-I'm sorry.

-Not at all.

It was a tricky question.

Very well played.

Thanks for coming in, Shabs. Give it up one more time for Shabs.

-Thank you, guys.

-APPLAUSE

-Thank you.

-Thank you very much.

That is it for Debatable.

There is just about time for me to thank our fantastic panel today,

to Dan Walker, to Grace Dent and Jennie Bond.

APPLAUSE

I do hope you have enjoyed watching.

We will see you next time for more heated debates.

For now, it's goodbye from me.