Episode 23 Debatable

CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

Hello, and welcome to Debatable,

where today one player must answer a series of tricky questions

to try to walk away with the jackpot of over £3,000.

But they are not on their own.

They will have a panel of well-known faces

debating the way to the answers.

Will they be all talk and no action?

As always, that's debatable. So let's meet them.

Chinwagging their way to the answers today,

we have news broadcaster Naga Munchetty,

we have reporter Michael Buerk,

and former England cricketer Phil Tufnell.

CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

I would say it's a very well-qualified, balanced panel.

Absolutely.

-Qualifications, then, Michael?

-I was a patrol leader

in the Peewit Patrol.

Now you're talking.

Right. I had an armful of badges in the Scouts.

-So you were a Scout leader?

-I was a patrol leader.

Are you going to boss today's panel? That's what we want to know.

No. They are out of my control.

But they are... It is a wonderfully complementary group.

What are we bringing to the dance, Naga?

What knowledge, what qualifications?

Apart from the normal degree, English degree,

-post-grad in journalism.

-I mean, an English degree

-is a good degree for this.

-Yes, it is.

I believe you also have a swimming badge.

I do. I have my 50 metres. I'm really proud of that.

-What are you laughing at, Tufnell?

-No...

-That is an achievement.

-It is!

-I'm really proud of that,

cos I am one of the worst swimmers that I know.

I'm not very confident in the water.

So to be able to do 50 metres, I am happy.

Which brings us nicely to the most qualified member of the panel.

-Yes.

-From the university of life, it is Dr Phil Tufnell.

I AM a doctor. Yes.

Not sure what in, but I did turn up and put a funny hat on

and a cloak for Middlesex University.

But you were King Of The Jungle.

-King Of The Jungle.

-King Of The Jungle, of course.

If that's one. 42 caps for England.

An O-level in art and a driver's licence.

LAUGHTER

It's a full complement, I think.

-Rounded.

-So, basically, we have everything covered.

Nothing can go wrong.

So, that is the panel. Let's meet today's contestant.

It is Bash from Greenwich.

-Hey, Bash, how are you doing?

-I'm very good.

-Welcome to the show.

-Thank you very much.

-Tell us a little bit about yourself.

Well, I'm Bash, I'm 36.

-I am an actor, DJ and a filmmaker.

-Wow.

-Yes.

What type of films do you make?

Documentary films, sci-fi...

Tell us little bit about your family.

So, I have got three kids -

between the ages of seven and seven months.

Two girls, one boy.

-So the little boy is the...?

-Is the youngest.

His name is Zane. He's a very cool dude.

He just loves sleeping in the daytime and wakes up at night.

He cries all night.

Anything you want to see coming up?

Not history, not geography. Anything else is good.

OK. You're confident and ready to go.

Yes, let's rock and roll.

OK, let's rock and roll. Here it comes.

Let's play Round One.

OK, Bash, Round One is multiple choice.

Four possible answers, only one of them is correct.

Four questions in this round. £200 for each correct answer.

A possible 800 up for grabs.

Let's see if you can get off the mark with this one.

I know nothing about fly fishing.

I'm going to leave this to the panel to debate,

but I think it is beekeeping.

OK.

You are drawn towards beekeeping,

but you would like the panel to sort this out for you.

Panel, your debate starts now.

-Well...

-I feel good about this one.

I feel good about this one too, because I saw the film.

There was a film...

Quite recently, actually, in the last few years, wasn't it?

About Sherlock Holmes in retirement.

He's got Alzheimer's and he's got one last case.

He is in retirement and his hobby...

Was beekeeping.

In Elementary, Sherlock Holmes keeps bees on his roof.

-Yes.

-Yes.

We're not missing something there with stamp collecting or anything?

-You are definitely sure?

-No, Not stamp collecting. But fly fishing...

You can see...

There is something cerebral about fly fishing, isn't there?

-It's all in the wrist.

-Yes, but he loves science, doesn't he?

-LAUGHING:

-It's all in the wrist.

-It is.

-Well, he does.

-You need strong wrists.

-Beekeeping, I fancy beekeeping.

-It's the science.

There's a science behind beekeeping, isn't there?

It's much more complicated than you would imagine.

-The observation of behaviour as well.

-Yes.

Which he's always keen on.

It's all about the queen, keep your queen happy.

-Of course, at all times.

-Well, that is life, isn't it? Lesson for life.

They are crucial to the world.

-Yes. The whole ecosystem.

-Yes.

You're not going to get philosophical, are you?

Well, I don't know. I just think bees are very important.

But the idea of Sherlock Holmes... I think that's rather nice,

rather than some of the other things that he is into.

Honey, I think you have got it.

So, are we agreed? Come on, panel.

-Beekeeping for me.

-Beekeeping for me.

Beekeeping for me too.

The panel thinks that Sherlock Holmes's hobby

in retirement was beekeeping.

OK, coming at it from three different angles,

they have honed in on beekeeping.

Lots of confidence.

I love the energy of the panel, and such knowledge.

Great knowledge in there. So I'm going to agree with the panel.

Yes, it's beekeeping.

OK, you're going with the panel.

-They love it, look.

-I hope it's right.

Look how happy they are, Bash. Look how happy they are whenever you

-just give them a little bit of praise.

-That's all we need!

OK, here we go, to get you up and running.

For £200, did Sherlock Holmes pursue beekeeping after retiring?

He did.

APPLAUSE

Thank you, guys.

-Very well done.

-Bash had it anyway.

-He did.

He retires to a cottage in the Sussex Downs to pursue his hobby.

This is referenced in the recent BBC Benedict Cumberbatch adaptation,

when a potential love interest of Sherlock

refers to a cottage she is buying in Sussex.

It has bee hives, but she says she's going to get rid of them.

In the American adaptation, Naga, starring Jonny Lee Miller

as Sherlock, he keeps bees on his roof of his New York apartment.

Well done, panel. Well done, Bash. You are up and running.

£200 in the prize pot.

Here comes your next one.

There's a player called Gutierrez used to play for...

I believe it was Newcastle.

It sounds very Argentinian.

Or Portugal.

My gut instinct says Argentina.

But, again, I'm going to leave this to the panel

-to help me out with this.

-OK.

I love that we're working out UN Secretary Generals

based on Premiership footballers.

Panel, can you bring anything more to this?

Your debate starts now.

Well, he did play left midfield for Newcastle.

Yes, a wonderful right boot.

Rampaging runs down the left-hand side.

I think he was from Argentina.

But, then, what that's got to do with anything, I'm not sure.

Well, Argentina's got a president, hasn't it?

I mean, that doesn't mean to say it hasn't got a Prime Minister as well,

but, you know, Mrs Kirchner and all that sort of thing.

They are presidents.

-I really should know this.

-I think we should know this.

I think Bash is right, though. It is either Argentina or Portugal,

in terms of the name.

Well, it doesn't sound Italian.

I mean, he wasn't Prime Minister of Italy anyway.

-No.

-We'd know that. We would know that.

In terms of UN Secretary Generals... I haven't heard of...

It sounds more as if an Argentinian would be heading up the UN.

-Well, yes.

-We might come across him if he was from Portugal.

We might not come across him if...

Well, Portugal does sort of export its prime ministers.

Barroso, the European Commission President, he was Portuguese -

former Portuguese Prime Minister, wasn't he?

Very nice drop of red wine.

Mainly Malbec, wasn't it? Very nice.

Oh, don't know.

We are stuck here. Well, let's rule out Italy, shall we?

Yes. And Mexico.

Mexico pretty much out.

Why Mexico, I wonder...

The name doesn't sound... Guterres doesn't sound...

It does sound Portuguese, actually, even more than Spanish.

Yes. Yes.

Guterres... Does anybody speak Spanish?

-No, I don't speak Spanish.

-Or Portuguese?

-There are different ways of pronouncing...

-I know, I know.

-..the Js and the Ss.

-"Gutierrez".

Well, you think Argentina,

I think it is a toss-up between Mexico and...

We really ought to know this.

If you think it is a toss-up between Mexico and Portugal,

-I think it is between Argentina and Portugal...

-Oh, right, right.

-I think Argentina and Portugal.

-So then we should go Portugal.

Just from the process of elimination.

-The three of us, yes.

-Yes.

OK, the panel think that the UN Secretary General

was formerly the Prime Minister of Portugal.

So each of our panellists narrows it down to two of those countries.

-The only one they can all agree on is Portugal, Bash.

-Right.

I'm going to change my answer and say Mexico.

Going to go against... Sorry, guys.

I'm going to have to disagree here.

-I'll go Mexico.

-OK, you are going against the panel.

The correct answer, for £200, is...

GASPING

Bash, you should've gone with the panel.

-I should have gone with the panel.

-But we weren't confident.

We weren't confident.

I thought you'd made the right call, actually.

Mr Guterres was Prime Minister of Portugal from 1995 until 2002.

He was the first European to be UN Secretary General

since Kurt Waldheim stood down in 1981.

No money there, Bash. You are still on £200.

Let's see if you can get back on track with this one.

I lived in the United States for a few years.

About four or five years.

I have never... I never came across chitterlings.

It sounds like something that comes from a pig.

Immediately I am drawn to pig intestines.

OK, well, look, hold that thought.

Let's see if our panel can bring anything to this.

Panel, your debate starts now.

I have no idea. I have never eaten chitterlings.

-Well...

-I don't know, do I want to eat chitterlings?

Yes, I think it is quite nice if you like...

It comes in, like, a gravy, doesn't it?

Yes, yes.

-It's like a...

-It's chopped up... I think it's pig intestines.

-Chopped up.

-In gravy?

-Yes.

-Grilled and gravy.

-Chitterlings.

-Cow brain?

-Is it a stew?

-No, I don't think...

Well, I think you kind of stick it on a stick and barbecue it,

I think, don't you? It's not specifically American.

I think they have them in this country as well.

-Oh.

-Chitterlings. Not often.

-Look, by process of...

-Chicken feet is Caribbean. I've had chicken feet.

Chicken feet is Caribbean.

Can you actually see North Americans eating either cow brain

or grasshoppers? Or even chicken feet?

-No. Grasshopper is Asia.

-I would eat grasshoppers. I've eaten scorpion.

-Scorpions and grasshoppers.

-I've eaten locusts.

-Crunchy.

-Yes.

-Locusts.

-Pig intestine doesn't sound...

-Cow brain?

Cow brain - not many people eat brains.

-Chicken feet...

-Chicken feet is a Caribbean thing.

Chicken feet, I think, we're not supposed to... Well, Chinese...

And the Far East.

You don't really eat them, you just swill them around and...

Nibble on them. Yes. Pick your teeth with them, really.

Yes, could do.

Make sure the chicken had a good manicure

-before its foot was chopped off.

-I think pig intestines.

I can see it somewhere...

-Yes, on a...

-Yes, sort of sliced.

-Diced on a thing.

-On a skewer.

-We've got this, haven't we?

-I think so.

-Yes, let's go for it.

OK, as a panel, we are - surer than the last one anyway -

that the dish chitterlings is actually pig intestines.

OK, the panel got the last one right.

-They say they are sure on this one.

-Yes.

-They have gone for pig intestines.

-Absolutely.

I think they are spot-on.

I will stick with pig intestines, yeah.

OK, you're going for pig intestines. You are agreeing with the panel.

For £200, chitterlings is made from...?

CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

Thank you, guys.

We're back. Well done, panel.

Chitterlings must be thoroughly cleaned in order to remove bacteria.

This labour-intensive process, which requires

turning the intestines inside out, can take hours.

Once cleaned, the chitterlings must be simmered until tender.

That usually takes 2 to 3 hours,

a process that emits a detestable stench.

They are then usually fried.

Yum-yum.

Very well done, panel. Well played, Bash. You are up to £400.

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OK, final question in this round.

Let's see if we can make it 600 with this one.

Well...

Who is Welsh?

I was conceived in Wales.

Would you like to elaborate on that for us?

I don't remember much about it, when it happened,

but that's what I was told.

I'm torn between red and white.

Would you like to help me out?

Of course, of course they would.

Of course our panel would like to help out on this one.

Panel, your debate starts now.

Crikey. Any ideas?

None at all. Gules. Gules.

It's a heraldic... An heraldic term.

Oh, no, you were getting somewhere. "Gules", you think ghoulish. Green.

Ghoulish green.

Cos I was thinking "gules", they've got the same letter.

-Yeah.

-G.

-Are ghouls green?

If you think ghoulish and Halloween, you think green, don't you?

Yes, you do. Ghouls could be black or red as well, I suppose, as well,

but I do get a feeling for green, for some reason.

I'm feeling green, I'm feeling green.

-Although the main dragon is red, isn't it?

-Yeah.

Just as a matter of interest, are all those four colours actually...

A gargoyle, a garGULE.

Oh! Ooh.

-Actually, are all those four colours on the Welsh flag?

-Yes.

Black, I don't know...

Well, anyway, I'm torn between red and green.

-I'm torn between red and green.

-Are you red?

-Green for me.

-I'm going to go red.

-You're going to go green.

I am going to have the deciding vote and say the panel

have decided that "gules" is the heraldic term for green.

That's what the panel think, but have they managed to convince you?

I have no idea what "gules" stands for.

I'll go with their decision and change my mind and say green.

OK, you're going with the panel on this one, you're saying green.

Is it green, for £200?

Come on.

-Tuffers!

-Oh, my days. OK.

-Big on my heraldic terms.

-We should have listened.

-We should have.

It comes from the old French word for throat,

as red-dyed fur was often used as a neck ornament.

In heraldic terms, the Welsh flag has a dragon "passant Gules",

which means "a walking red dragon".

-Never mind.

-OK.

-Tough luck, panel, tough luck on that one, Bash.

-It means at the end of Round One, you're on £400.

-Yay.

Halfway there.

All right, let's see how they cope with pictures.

It's time for Round Two.

Bash, Round Two is our picture round.

Each question has three pictures.

We need you to put them in the correct order.

£300 for each correct answer. A possible £900 up for grabs.

Here comes your first one.

I want to go with the scarecrow first.

Can I actually let the panel debate on this one?

I think that's a good idea.

-Let them debate on this one.

-Panel, your debate starts now.

I must be the only person in the world who's never seen this film.

-You've never seen the Wizard Of Oz?

-I've seen extracts.

In the extracts, I've got this image of Judy -

it's Judy Garland who played Dorothy in the original -

tottering along the Yellow Brick Road with the Tin Man.

Had she met the others by then?

Wasn't the Cowardly...?

The lion is definitely last. We know that.

So it's a question of...

My instinct was that the Scarecrow was first.

-Oh, right, OK.

-And then the Tin Man.

-I don't know, I don't know.

-The Tin Man didn't have a heart.

-No.

-No.

The Scarecrow wanted a brain.

Yes.

The lion wanted to be brave.

-Heartless or brainless.

-Brain or heart?

I... I'm tending to go with you, for some reason, about the Tin Man.

-Tin Man being first. Let's stick with this.

-OK.

Cos you both think that it's the Tin Man and I'm not sure.

OK, again, we're not confident, but Bash is aware of that.

We're very confident of that.

We're pretty confident of that, aren't we?

But not confident of the other two.

But, anyway, we've got to come to a conclusion. Is that OK?

Yeah, not sure.

The panel thinks, not totally convinced, that this is the

order in which Dorothy met the characters in the film.

First the Tin Man, secondly the Scarecrow,

thirdly the Cowardly Lion.

So have the panel been much help?

I want to go for Scarecrow first.

Then the Tin Man and then the Cowardly Lion.

-OK, so you're going against the panel.

-Yes.

For £300, is that the correct order?

-It is!

-Good work.

Well done.

Very well done, Bash. She met the Scarecrow first.

That is played by Ray Bolger,

who also plays Hunk in the black-and-white scene.

She meets him 34 minutes into the movie.

Then she meets the Tin Man, played by Jack Haley,

who also plays Hickory in the black-and-white scenes.

She meets him 40 minutes into the movie.

Then, finally, she meets the Lion, played by Bert Lahr.

He also plays Zeke in the black-and-white scenes.

She meets him 49 minutes into the movie.

So very well worked out, Bash, very well done.

£300 into your prize pot. You're now up to £700.

Yay!

OK, here comes your second picture question.

Well, it's always going to be a tricky one for young people

-like you and me.

-Yes, indeed.

I'm sure Michael will have some knowledge about this.

Why do you think Michael will have knowledge about this, Bash?

I can't think for a moment, can you?

Who knows, they may ALL know their pounds, shillings and pence.

Your debate starts now.

Shall we just defer to the grand, wise, older man, shall we?

All right, all right.

I was in my 20s when it changed,

so all my childhood and afterwards was with...

I mean, your pockets really were quite weighed down with all of this.

-When did it change?

-'66, something like that. Mid '60s.

-Around the time you were born.

-About the time you were born.

-Yes, that's right.

-I wasn't, so...

A shilling is 5p.

I might be bluffing here, I might be completely misleading you.

-You wouldn't.

-You are on your own.

-It's not the point of the game.

-It's not the point of the game!

-Wrong show.

-Yeah, wrong show, wrong show.

A farthing is... There were four farthings in a penny,

so that is worth absolutely, microscopically nothing.

A quarter pence.

Four farthings to a penny.

12 pennies, old pennies this is, in a shilling.

A half-crown was two shillings and sixpence, which is 30 old pennies.

-I mean, I don't want to...

-We defer to you completely.

We think the farthing is the least valuable, shilling the middle value,

and the half-crown the most valuable of those three coins.

They seem pretty convinced with this one, Bash.

Yeah, I totally agree. I will go with the panel. Thank you.

-OK, you're going with the panel.

-Yes.

Has Michael shown us the money? For £300...

..is that the correct order?

Yay! Yes!

Thank you, Michael.

Very well done. Well played, Bash.

A farthing is a former monetary unit and a coin in the UK,

withdrawn in 1961.

Equal to a quarter of a penny, you were right on that.

The shilling is nominally valued at one twentieth

of £1 sterling, or 12 pence.

The half-crown is a former British coin and monetary unit,

equal to two shillings and sixpence.

Well done, Michael, well played, panel.

Another £300 into your prize pot, Bash. You're now up to £1,000.

CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

Thank you, guys. It's all you, guys.

OK, here is your final picture question.

I don't know where Fallingwater is. I know St Paul's Cathedral.

I know the Gherkin.

Yes, I'm not entirely sure where or what the Fallingwater is.

-Don't worry.

-Right.

-Let's see if our panel can sort this out for you.

-Yeah.

-Your debate starts now.

-Christopher Wren.

-Christopher Wren.

-Christopher Wren.

-Norman Foster.

-Norman Foster.

-Don't know that one.

-Don't know that.

-Frank Lloyd Wright.

Oh, boom!

Boom!

It's built out... It's cantilevered out over a waterfall.

It goes through the house.

It looks fabulous.

It's perhaps the most famous private house ever built.

That's a house? That's someone's house?

It's somebody's house.

It doesn't work.

Well, it's damp.

-MICHAEL LAUGHS

-Yeah.

Well, it doesn't work. It's a brilliant bit of architecture,

but in actual fact, to live in, it's very, very difficult, apparently.

-Little bit cocky.

-Anyway, it's Frank Lloyd Wright, so...

-Christopher...

-F for Frank, C for Christopher.

-Norman.

-Norman.

Are we agreed on all that?

-OK, so this is the order for the panel.

-Yeah.

Sir Christopher Wren. Frank Lloyd Wright. Norman Foster.

Bash, whenever people ask you, "Where were you when Michael Buerk

"got his BBC Two series on architecture?"

-Yeah.

-This was the moment.

This is it.

Again, I can't fault that knowledge.

I will go with the panel's answer there, yeah.

Thank you, guys. I'm relying on you for the money.

OK, absolutely no pressure here, Michael(!)

For £300, is that the right order?

-Yes!

-Yes!

APPLAUSE

I want to give Michael a hug.

-Great knowledge there, Michael.

-Yeah.

St Paul's Cathedral, designed by Christopher Wren -

it was built between 1675 and 1710 after its predecessor

was destroyed in the Great Fire of London.

Fallingwater, designed by Frank Lloyd Wright -

it is located in western Pennsylvania, and is now a museum.

The Gherkin, designed by Norman Foster, now Lord Foster,

is properly named 30 St Mary Axe.

-Good knowledge there, Michael. Well played, Bash.

-Yes.

-It means that, at the end of Round Two, you're up to £1,300.

-Great!

Whoo!

Thank you, guys, I appreciate that.

-OK, Bash, so, anybody standing out, apart from Michael?

-Yeah...

Apart from Michael?

Definitely a big bonus, having Michael on the panel.

Obviously, Naga and Phil - excellent ideas,

excellent knowledge as well.

Thank you, guys. I really appreciate that.

-Thank you.

-OK, well, look, still one more round before you have to

-choose one for the Final Debate.

-Oh, gosh.

£1,500 up for grabs as we play Round Three.

Yes!

OK, Bash, in your final round you will hear questions that

contain three statements about a person, a place or a thing,

but only one is true.

-We need you to find the true statement.

-Yes.

It is the final round.

We're going to up the money to £500 for each correct answer -

a possible 1,500 up for grabs. Here we go.

Oh, no.

Yes!

Phil...

-And that... Phil!

-Yeah.

-LAUGHTER

-I've got Phil on the panel.

-OK.

Panel, your debate starts now.

-Right, listen...

-Should we...?

Let's just park Phil for a moment.

Shall we have a little discussion?

-A lead-up to it?

-Yeah, what do we think?

-LAUGHTER

-Well...

-Do you remember the opening scene of Hamlet?

I don't remember him saying, "To cricket or not to cricket."

-Or, "To bowl or not to bowl."

-No.

And anyway, cricket, the first mention of cricket wasn't

-until after Shakespeare's death, I don't think...

-Ah.

-Oh.

-..so I think we could probably park that, don't you think?

-OK.

-Donald Bradman never out-bowled?

-Now, Donald Bradman...

-He must have been.

-Old Don. Remember Don?

-Yeah, I do.

-I've got no idea who he is.

-LAUGHTER

-Sir Donald...?

-No idea?!

The most famous, the most famous batsman that ever lived,

-with the possible exception of...

-Who was bowled by Eric Hollies.

Bowled by Eric Hollies in his last Test match.

-Test match, so he didn't get his average of 99.

-Warwickshire.

-Warwickshire leg-spinner. Did you know I knew him?

-Yes.

-NAGA SNORES

-Oh, sorry.

-I used to play for the Warwickshire...

-So you, like...

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

-So...

-So the first one...

-We don't need you, Phil, do we?

-No.

-We don't need him.

-We don't.

-We don't.

Rachel Heyhoe Flint...

-Rachel Heyhoe Flint has just died.

-Bless her.

-Hasn't she?

-Yes.

She sorted that out. I think it was '72 and the men's ones were '74.

That's right, and in all the obituaries of Rachel Heyhoe Flint,

-it was mentioned...

-Yes.

Or she... Because she mentioned it,

terribly proud of it,

that the Women's World Cup was held

before the Men's World Cup.

-Spot on.

-Showed you the way.

-So, so, are we...? Are we...?

-100%.

-Have we got all this straight?

-Yes.

-Have we got it?

-Yes.

The panel thinks that the statement that is true is that

the Women's World Cricket Cup was held before

The Men's Cricket World Cup.

Get in. Get in. Yes.

Got to be right. Oh, God.

I love the fact that Phil was on the team and he barely got

-a word in edgeways, there.

-Yeah!

So our panel are going with A.

They believe that the first official Women's World Cup was held

before the first men's one.

-A, A, A, all day.

-LAUGHTER

OK, we're going A, all day,

but is it OK?

For £500, the correct answer is...

Oof!

-Yes! Whoo!

-It is.

Thank you, guys. Thank you.

-Well done, Phil. Good knowledge, Michael.

-Yeah.

The Women's World Cup was held in 1973,

two years before the men's.

The sport of cricket is not mentioned in any of

Shakespeare's plays.

Tennis, would you believe, is mentioned in Hamlet?

And wrestling in As You Like It.

Donald Bradman was famously bowled for a duck

in his final innings at the Oval in 1948.

He only needed four runs from that innings to have

a Test career average of 100.

-His average stands at 99.94.

-Wow.

-So well played, panel. Well done, Bash.

-Thank you.

-£500 into your prize pot.

-Yes.

-You're now up to £1,800.

Whoo!

Awesome.

Still £1,000 up for grabs.

Here comes your next one.

I'll just let the panel debate on this,

but I'm going with C initially.

-OK, you're thinking C.

-I'm thinking C.

-You're thinking C.

-I'm thinking C, yeah.

Let's see what our panel are thinking on this.

Panel, can you sort this out for us? Your debate starts now.

-No trouble.

-Really?

-Yeah.

-Got it, straight in?

-No, no, no, come on, Phil.

-Well, no, I fancy...

-I fancy the motorway, to be fair...

-Yeah.

..opened in the '60s.

-Yup.

-M1, perhaps.

-Yeah.

-Well, I know...

I know that World War II food rationing, the war ended

in 1945, but the food rationing ended much, much, much later.

-Yup.

-Or much later than people realise.

-Yeah.

-But I don't think it was as late as the '60s.

-No.

-Absolutely right.

I thought the World Wildlife Fund,

the WWF, was officially launched...

For some reason I've got...

I might be completely wrong,

-but '73, '74, something like that.

-Right.

-So I... My gut is saying the motorway.

-Me too.

I was a baby when food rationing was on, and it did go on for a long

time after the end of the war in '45,

but I'm sure it finished in the...in the early '50s -

-'52, '53, '54, something like that.

-Yeah.

I think, too, the World Wildlife Fund was a creature of the '70s,

but I might be wrong.

But I do remember, I've got this image of a BBC documentary,

the M1 motorway had just opened and Desmond Wilcox drove at 150mph

on this new, shimmeringly fast E-Type Jaguar down the M1...

-Ooh.

-..and I do know the E-Type jaguar was launched in 1961.

So, my guess would be that the right answer is...is that.

-So are you happy with the motorway?

-Absolutely 100%.

-OK?

Beautiful deduction.

The panel, by process of deduction, thinks that the true statement

here is that the UK's first motorway opened in the 1960s.

-So, Bash...

-Yes.

-..they believe that food rationing ended in the '50s...

-Yeah.

..the World Wildlife Fund was in the '70s,

and Michael thinks an E-Type Jag was flying down the M1 in the '60s.

Yeah, again, I'll... I'll go with the panel

and change my answer from C to B.

OK, you're changing your answer.

Your first thought was C.

You're now going with the panel, B.

They talked a very good game on this.

For £500, did the UK's first motorway open in the 1960s?

GROANING

-Oh, oh....

-Oh, Bash.

-Oh, well...

-The World Wildlife Fund was officially launched, Bash,

on the 29th of April, 1961.

The UK's first motorway,

Lancashire's eight-mile Preston Bypass,

opened on the 5th of December, 1958,

and is now part of the M6.

14 years of food rationing in Britain ended in July 1954.

You were right about that.

-So, no money added to your prize pot.

-That's all right.

You are still on £1,800.

Here comes the final question of Round Three.

LAUGHTER

He's a royal, so I would imagine, you know,

him wanting to represent England at the World Polo Championships.

I'm going to, kind of, hold back on

my answer and let the panel do it.

-OK, you're going to hold back on this one.

-Yeah. Mm-hmm.

Panel, what do you make of this? Your debate starts now.

He does have an Aston Martin,

-or at least certainly HAS had an Aston Martin.

-Yeah.

And he did have it changed to...

-so, to be run on...

-Yes?

-Cooking... Oh.

On unleaded petrol, because it was a leaded petrol, but nothing...

Right, nothing - surely nothing runs on leftover wine.

He's very keen, though, isn't he,

-on environmental issues?

-Yes.

-Yes, he is.

And, you know, cars have been converted, or trucks, to run on...

-Chip fat.

-Chip fat - on cooking oil.

-That's right.

He loves his polo, and we've seen Zara Phillips has obviously

performed at Olympic level, so does it run in the family that

he's played for England at the World Polo Championships at that level?

It seems a bit more likely than starring in EastEnders,

-but I don't watch EastEnders.

-I would imagine...

I reckon there's been a royal in EastEnders.

My gut was actually B,

but then, I don't believe that anyone should have leftover wine.

-Yeah, yeah. It shouldn't be right.

-No, it's just not right.

-I don't know. My only reservation...

-You can run cars on all things,

though, can't you? Gas and...

-I wonder if it's a derivative of wine.

-Yeah, that would be... Yeah.

Hold on, didn't Harry, erm, Wills...

No, erm...

Yeah, and his missus drive off

in a DB5 or something when they got married?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

-Up the Mall.

-Yeah.

-And...

-And you think that might have been...?

-Running on Sauvignon Blanc.

-Running on Sauvignon.

-Oh, I don't know...

-No, it'd be Chardonnay, wouldn't it? Can't win.

Obviously he played polo, but did he play for England?

He certainly played for fun.

The one objection I've got slightly with the polo thing is

-that's a bit too obvious.

-Obvious.

-See, I think...

-You think, "EastEnders? Never.

"Does anything run on wine? No, got to be polo."

But maybe that's too simple.

Aston Martin.

-Do you fancy Aston...?

-Yeah.

-I think Aston Martin.

-I do.

-So we've ruled out EastEnders, have we?

Which is also deeply unlikely...

I think we'd have the image in our heads.

-So...

-Would they stick him in there?

Would he actually have been allowed to play for England?

-Cos it's quite dangerous, isn't it?

-Yes.

I remember him falling off and kicking his hat about once.

LAUGHTER

But, yes, that's right, did he play for England?

He played at quite a high level.

You know, "Oh, congratulations, Prince Charles."

You know, "You're playing for England."

But we have to come to a conclusion. Shall we go with the Aston Martin?

-Let's go with it.

-It seems unreasonable.

-Yeah.

A panel with no certainty whatsoever,

and just, actually, playing the left field,

will go for the Aston Martin on,

kind of, leftover wine,

as the true statement.

-So, Bash...

-Right.

Not just as much confidence from the panel this time round.

I just can't imagine a car running on wine.

I'm going to stick to C.

OK, your gut instinct was C.

We threw it over to the panel.

The panel went for "owns an Aston Martin that runs on leftover wine".

-It doesn't sound plausible, but...

-But...

..it's the final £500 up for grabs today.

The true statement is...

GROANING

-It's B.

-Yeah.

-He does own an Aston Martin that runs on leftover wine, Bash.

-What?

-Really?!

-Well, well done, us.

-I'm afraid he does.

Given to the Prince of Wales on his 21st birthday,

the car has been adapted to run on fuels made from waste wine

and whey from cheesemaking.

He did not appear in EastEnders,

but he did appear in the live episode of Coronation Street

in 2000, as part of their 40th anniversary celebrations.

He didn't play for England at the World Polo Championships.

However, he did represent Young England against Young America

in 1972.

I'm afraid nothing for that, Bash. HE CLEARS HIS THROAT

It means, at the end of round three, your prize pot is £1,800.

-Whoo!

-Pretty good.

-Still pretty good.

-Yes. Thank you very much.

-Still pretty good.

So, if you manage to get that today, any plans for the money?

I'm going to take the kids their holidays - it's in Disneyland.

We've never been on proper holidays.

I think that it'd be nice to treat ourselves to a nice summer holiday.

-OK, so a family holiday at stake.

-Yes. Yes.

There's only one question between you and the money today, Bash.

-It is our Final Debate.

-Right.

-Six possible answers.

-Only three of them are correct.

-Right.

We need you to get all three.

However, you're not going to be on your own, as you will choose one of

these fine human beings to help you in your task.

So, who would you like to join you in the Final Debate?

Will it be elementary, our dear Naga?

Will you chase your pounds, shillings and pence with Michael?

Or will it be the only member of the panel currently

running on leftover wine, Phil?

Ah...

My choice for the Final Round is

the legendary Michael

to join me, please. Thank you.

Michael, please join us for the Final Debate.

CHEERING

OK, Michael, Bash has put his faith in you for this.

-How are you feeling?

-I'm feeling bad, actually.

My heart broke when you said family holiday, letting the kids down...

Oh, the pressure. The pressure.

-I think we'll be great, Michael.

-LAUGHTER

That makes it worse, not better, Bash.

It's the perfect combination, I think, yeah.

I love the way that you're actually having to give him a team talk now

before we start this. This is good.

OK, look, it is the Final Debate,

so we're going to give you a choice from two categories, Bash.

Have a look at this.

-Right.

-Tell us what you fancy. Chat it through with Michael.

Oof.

OK. Do you cook?

-Erm, no.

-No?

-I'm... You're on your own, Bash.

-Do you...? Yeah?

-LAUGHTER

-1990s Pop, I wouldn't be able to

answer any question whatsoever on 1990s Pop.

-How about...?

-And Celebrity Chefs I don't know anything about, really.

-Let's go with Celebrity Chefs, just so that you can...

-OK.

-We can have a conversation about that, you know.

-OK, Bash. OK.

-Yeah?

-So, erm...

-It's your decision.

-Cos this is team work, make the dream work.

-Yeah, no, all right.

I am going to go with Celebrity Chefs, please. Thank you.

You're going for Celebrity Chefs.

Well, look, we all hope you can do this. There's £1,800 up for grabs.

We're going to put 45 seconds on the clock. Six possible answers.

You know that we do need all three answers to be correct.

Right.

Best of luck. Here we go.

Here's your Final Debate question on Celebrity Chefs.

Your time starts now.

All right, so...

-I, you know... I...

-Right.

I'd... I'd love to be able to help, but I'd be guessing.

-Absolutely...

-So, what's your guesses?

I'm guessing Trixie Grace.

Yeah, let's go with that, because I couldn't disagree.

-Petal Blossom sounds London, doesn't it?

-Petal Blossom.

-A bit London.

-Yes, it sounds very London.

-And what do you think for the third?

-Lula Rose...

It's between Lula Rose and Bluebell Madonna.

-He did cook at the River... The River Cafe, didn't he?

-Yeah.

-That was where he was discovered.

-Yeah.

So possibly that might be a clue.

-15 seconds.

-So...

Or it might... Trixie Grace and Petal Blossom.

So we've got Trixie Grace, Petal Blossom,

and between Bluebell Madonna and Lula Rose.

-Erm... Lula Rose...

-Five seconds.

-Your choice.

-Lula Rose.

-So...

-All right, I need three answers, Bash.

OK, we're going to go for Trixie Grace, Petal Blossom and Lula Rose.

Trixie Grace, Petal Blossom and Lula Rose.

OK, Bash, we need all three of these to be correct,

so let's start with Trixie Grace.

We need Trixie Grace to be right to keep you in the game,

and to keep you on track for £1,800.

Is Trixie Grace the name of one of the children of Jamie Oliver?

Green. Come on.

It's the wrong answer, Bash,

which means, I'm afraid, you don't win the money today.

I am so, so sorry.

-Right, I should have...

-The game is up.

Trixie Grace is the name of the daughter of Emma and Matt Willis.

-Right.

-You also said Petal Blossom.

Was Petal Blossom the name of one of Jamie Oliver's children?

-It was.

-Yeah.

And then you went for Lula Rose.

-Oh.

-It's the wrong answer.

-Didn't get that one, either, correct.

-Lula Rose is one of Liv Tyler's daughters.

-Yeah.

Let's have a look at the other two correct answers.

Bluebell...

What?

Buddy Bear and River Rocket.

Oh, right.

-Bash, I am so, so sorry.

-Yes.

It was such a tough question, and you played the game

-so, so well today, but I'm afraid you do leave with nothing.

-Yes.

Give it up one more time for Bash.

-CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

-Thanks. A pleasure.

-I'm so sorry.

-Thank you.

-I'm sorry, Bash.

That is it for today,

although there's just enough time for me to thank

our fantastic panel, to Michael Buerk, to Naga Munchetty,

and Phil Tufnell!

I do hope you've enjoyed watching.

We will see you next time for more heated debates.

For now, it's goodbye from me.