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CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

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Hello and welcome to Debatable, where today,

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one player must answer a series of tricky questions to try to walk away

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with a jackpot of over £3,000.

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But, as always, they're not on their own.

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They will have a panel of well-known faces debating their way to the answers.

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Will they help or will they hinder?

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As always, that's debatable. So, let's meet them.

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Talking the talk on today's show, we have comedian Ed Byrne.

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We have broadcaster and journalist Angela Rippon.

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And actor Sally Lindsay.

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APPLAUSE

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Sally, ready to go?

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The debating skills have been honed.

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You like a chat, you have a thirst for knowledge.

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I like a chat, yeah.

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I'm a bit... I get a bit angry about politics,

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so I do like a debate about politics.

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-OK.

-So if any of those come up, I'll be fine.

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What are your stronger subjects, then, Sally?

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I would say, predictably, probably the arts, English...

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But, then, modern culture - I'm quite good at that.

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But, then, really modern, because I'm 43 now,

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I don't really know what's going on.

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-You're not 43.

-Oh, stop it.

-You're not 43.

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-I am, yeah.

-As they say in Ireland, you're looking awful well.

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-Oh, thank you. That's very kind.

-You're looking awful well for it.

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Angela, you're going to be harnessing this panel today.

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-So they tell me.

-You're going to be driving it.

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What do you think of your fellow panellists?

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I think they both have hidden talents.

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-Hidden!

-And I think that they are going to blossom as we go through

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-the programme.

-I think Ed may be blossoming already.

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Check this shirt out.

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-Look at it.

-Good work.

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Now, Ed, you're a man who knows things.

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-And you like a chat.

-I like a chat, yeah.

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I'm not sure about a debate. I debate with myself, more than anything else.

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I'm constantly arguing with myself, you know, at home.

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You take something out of the oven and burn your hand on it and go, "Why did you do that?"

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"Didn't think it'd be hot." "You're an idiot." "I'm not an idiot." So, that's my...

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I'm generally arguing with myself most of the time.

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That is the panel.

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Let's meet today's contestant.

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It is Richard from Birmingham.

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-Richard.

-How are you?

-How are you doing? Are you well?

-I'm very good, thank you very much.

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Good, good. Tell us a little bit about yourself.

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I'm Richard. I'm a financial adviser. I'm from Birmingham,

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if you can't tell from the accent already.

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And what do I do? Yeah, I'm...

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I love playing cricket. I'm a local councillor in Birmingham,

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which is really, really fun.

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And tell us a bit about your family.

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Family, yes. I've got a lovely girlfriend called Adele,

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two lovely daughters called Romany and Mia, both eight years old.

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Get on like a house on fire, generally,

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as eight-year-old girls sometimes do.

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You know what they say - wee boys wreck your house,

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-wee girls wreck your head.

-Absolutely. So, you know,

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being the one man in the house means I never win an argument.

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So it's nice to come on here and debate something with someone

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who might actually listen to me.

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That's not going to happen.

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-No, no. Probably not, no.

-That's not going to happen today.

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What do you make of the panel?

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I was just listening to the introductions - I'm looking forward to debating politics with Sally.

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I think we'll both be on our soapboxes for quite some time, maybe.

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I'm absolutely thrilled. Big fan of Ed.

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Watched a lot of the panel shows all the time, that you're on,

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so absolutely aware of all your knowledge. And Angela - well,

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she's been on TV for however long. She's going to know everything.

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I don't think I'll have to say much.

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You'll have to pay close attention to what our panel are going to say,

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cos you can only choose one of them, Richard,

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to play the Final Debate with you at the end of the show.

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-Ready to play?

-I think so.

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OK, here we go. Let's play Round One.

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Round One, Richard, is multiple choice.

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Four possible answers to each question.

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Only one of them is correct.

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Four questions in this round.

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£200 for each correct answer.

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A possible 800 quid up for grabs for the prize pot.

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Let's get cracking. Here it comes.

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Wow! Er...

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-Start with an easy one.

-Yeah. I'm hoping...

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Hopefully, they'll debate it for so long over there,

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I'm going to start going through them all in my head

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and see if I can remember how to spell some of them.

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But that's tough.

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I probably only know about ten states.

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-Hopefully, they're all in there.

-Don't worry.

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It's a well-travelled panel. Panel, let's see if you can sort this out.

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-Your debate starts now.

-It's got to be A.

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I keep saying A but then you've got, Arkansas and...

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-Well...

-The S - Los Angeles.

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-It's in California.

-Yeah, oh, yeah.

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-Yeah, that...

-California, Alaska...

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-Yeah.

-You've got Nebraska.

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Nebraska.

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Omaha. Iowa.

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-Yeah.

-North and South Dakota.

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-The Carolinas.

-North and South Carolina.

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-Yeah.

-I mean...

-Hmm...

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-OK.

-Iowa.

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Initially, my gut instinct was A.

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-Yeah, it's...

-It's got to be A.

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-It's got to be A.

-It's got to be A.

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I think it's got to be A.

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-Pennsylvania.

-Pennsylvania.

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Yeah, you're good at this, Ed.

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-Yeah, I think it's...

-Massachusetts is S.

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-Massachusetts, S.

-Go down the coast.

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I think now we've said all these As, it would be fun to just go,

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"We think it's N."

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-I think it's A.

-So, are we agreed?

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-I think so, yeah.

-OK. So, as a team,

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we've debated the answer.

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We think the answer is A.

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OK, Richard. Did that give you a little bit of thinking time,

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as Ed debated with himself?

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He certainly did, yeah. It was a nice trip round America with Ed.

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It was great but the more time I've had to think,

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I mean, Louisiana, the Virginias.

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It just all points to A, doesn't it, I think?

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I'm pretty confident with A on that one, I think.

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OK, you're going with the panel. You're saying A.

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For £200, is A the correct answer?

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-It is the correct answer.

-Thank you.

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Well done, panel. 21 states ending in A, including California,

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Florida and Alaska.

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The five states ending with S are Texas, Illinois,

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Kansas, Arkansas and Massachusetts.

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E and N both have four -

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Delaware, Maine, New Hampshire and Tennessee.

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And Michigan, Oregon, Washington and Wisconsin.

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You are off to a flying start. £200 in your prize pot.

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Really pleased with that.

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OK, here comes your next one.

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Where do you start with those?

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So, I'm going to be in need of a lot of help here.

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So, hopefully, Angela has been on some nature documentaries

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at some point. I don't know. I'm at your whim. I really am.

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OK, panel. Your debate starts now.

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I so want it to be the sparklemuffin cos I think it just conjures up

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such a beautiful picture, doesn't it?

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Sarcastic fringehead was my nickname at school.

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-I wonder why.

-Sparklemuffin was MY nickname at school.

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Was it, love?

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You wore sequins on everything, then, clearly.

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You never forgot your PE kit after that day.

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I think the white-bellied go-away bird sounds something that you'd

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-hear David Attenborough saying.

-David Attenborough would have

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said that. Yes.

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I've got his voice in my head now

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and I think the orange pixie arm... Yeah, that's good.

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They both sound more like animals.

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-They're proper animals, aren't they?

-They sound like...

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What is a...? You see, the fringehead could be an animal,

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-couldn't it?

-Sarcastic?

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-Is it because of the way they hold their face?

-Maybe a bird...

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-The noise it makes.

-Or is it the way they hold their face?

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You know, like some dogs always look like they hate you.

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-Yeah.

-I think Angela's right.

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-I think it's sparklemuffin.

-Sparklemuffin.

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-What do we think?

-I think you're probably right.

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-I think sarcastic fringehead sounds like a bird.

-Like a bird.

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Orange pixie armadillo sounds like an armadillo.

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It does, but... Big hint there.

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-So, what do we think?

-I think it's the sparklemuffin, yeah.

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Yeah, let's give sparklemuffin a whirl.

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-OK, so...

-I can't believe those words just came out of my mouth.

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Let's give sparklemuffin a whirl.

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Yes, after we've debated, we think that it is a sparklemuffin.

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-We're probably terribly wrong.

-An informed...

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An informed debate there, Richard, from the panel.

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Incredibly informed, yeah.

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-Good nature knowledge.

-It seems to be, doesn't it, yeah?

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If David Attenborough hasn't said it, we don't know it,

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by the sound of it really. But, yeah, I'll be honest -

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the fact that white-bellied go-away bird has got the word "bird" in it

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and the fact that orange pixie armadillo has "armadillo" in it

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makes you think those are genuine.

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And I think they do use the word "pixie" quite a lot,

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to describe smaller versions of certain animals.

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So I quite like the idea of that.

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A sarcastic fringehead... I don't know why...

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I know you mentioned a bird over there. I was thinking of a hyena.

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A hyena has that little fringe at the front.

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And its form of humour is sarcasm, generally, with a hyena.

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I think, for the want of no more knowledge than that,

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I will agree and go with sparklemuffin.

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For £200...

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is sparklemuffin not a real animal?

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-Oh!

-Oh, wow!

-The orange pixie armadillo doesn't exist.

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There is a pink fairy armadillo,

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which is the smallest species of armadillo, about six inches long.

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The white-bellied go-away bird gets its name from its distinctive call.

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"Go 'way, go 'way. You will, you will."

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Sounds remarkably like Mrs Doyle from Father Ted.

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A new species of peacock spider was named sparklemuffin

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by the graduate who discovered it.

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Oh, right, OK. This was all ruined by a wacky student.

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Yeah. A sarcastic fringehead is a fish.

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-Wow!

-You learn something every day.

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-Sorry, Richard.

-Sorry about that.

-No, I agreed.

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Let's see if we can get back on track with this.

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Well, I'm quite pleased that we've got three very arty people here

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to be able to discuss this one with.

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I'm sure there's going to be an answer in there somewhere.

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I'll be honest - I think there's one I know I could get rid of,

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but I wouldn't want to say that just yet.

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So, you're the financial adviser and you are deferring the money question

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to this panel. Panel, your debate starts now.

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When did we last see a £20 note?

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I don't think it can be Barbara Hepworth

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cos there was such an argument about having a woman.

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About the fiver, yeah.

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-About the fiver.

-And it wasn't the woman it should have been,

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so I'd want it to be Barbara Hepworth but it's not.

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So it's not.

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I don't think it's David Hockney. I think he's too modern.

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I don't think the Bank of England would go for him.

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It's got to be either Turner or Constable.

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Now, for some reason, I am erring towards Turner.

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Something in the back of my head because he's so trendy the moment

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with the new Margate... It's not that new.

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Do you think they'd go, "But you've got an art prize, Constable hasn't."

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Yeah. This is it.

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I'm between those two. For some reason,

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Turner's entering my head and I don't know why.

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Maybe cos I actually recently went to see it.

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-But I don't know.

-It is definitely one or other of them, I think.

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-Isn't it?

-I feel like I want to weigh into this debate.

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-But I don't know the answer.

-Well, we've got to guess, haven't we?

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It's one of those things - I'd just be talking for the sake of talking.

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-Yes.

-Yes, perhaps Constable.

-We do that for a living, Ed.

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That's the extent of my contribution.

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I... I think it's got to be Turner,

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-personally.

-Okey dokey.

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ALL TALK AT ONCE

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I'm not convinced, but I think... I can't...

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Something sparked in my head, so...

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-We're going to look like idiots if it's Hockney.

-We are.

-We are.

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-If it's Barbara Hepworth, we'll look terrible.

-OK. Agreed?

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-Yeah.

-Agreed.

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OK, we think, after debate,

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that it is JW Turner.

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So, you have Sally, who believes that it could be Turner,

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you have Angela, who believes that it may not be Constable,

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and you have Ed, who did his very best to look intelligent

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-and nod in all the right places during that debate.

-He got involved.

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-He did.

-It was nice to see. Because I'm incredibly obedient,

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I think I'm going to follow again. I'm going to go with Turner.

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OK, you're going with the panel.

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In 2016, was Turner announced to appear on the next £20 note?

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-Yes!

-He was.

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Very well played. Very well done.

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Barbara Hepworth was on the shortlist.

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The note is expected to come into circulation in 2020.

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OK, Richard, you're back on track.

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£200 into the prize pot.

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You're up to £400.

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Here comes your next question.

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When I heard the question, I thought I might like this question

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and then I've suddenly hated it.

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There's one there which I know I'm pretty sure has been one but I think

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it was one afterwards, rather than that being the actual cover version.

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But I'm happy to hear a lot of thoughts on this one.

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OK. Pop pickers, your debate starts now.

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I've said before, I know nothing about pop music.

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-Right.

-Well, it's definitely not Tainted Love.

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It's not Tainted Love - that's definitely a cover.

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So, let's see what we know is a cover.

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So, Tainted Love is definitely a cover.

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And so is Torn by Natalie Imbruglia.

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Girls Have Got To Have Fun by Cyndi Lauper?

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That's my problem, cos Girls Just Want To Have Fun...

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She always writes her own stuff.

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But Hello by Lionel Richie -

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I can't... That's the two I'm worried about.

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-What do you think, Ed?

-Yeah, I...

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Even when you think, Girls Just Want To Have...

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-It does feel like an older song. It's got a...

-Like a '50s...

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-..bubble-gum pop kind of feel to it.

-Tremeloes or something like that.

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It's between those two.

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-Definitely.

-I think...

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-I think it's Hello.

-..it's Hello.

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-And I know nothing.

-I think that's a lie, Angela.

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I admit, I know nothing about pop music but I defer to my team-mates.

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And they're convinced it's Hello, Lionel Richie.

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Oh, it is, Angela. It's quite clear that they are convinced,

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-but are you, Richard?

-Hello is such an iconic video, as well.

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I can't imagine anyone else having done it.

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At least not having done it better. I'm pretty sure...

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I saw an interview with Lionel Richie

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and he wrote all of his own stuff.

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I'm almost certain I heard him say that.

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So again, obedience is going to kick in and I'm going to go with Hello.

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Ooh...

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-The responsibil...

-OK, you're going with the panel.

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For £200, the correct answer is...

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-Yes!

-It is Hello by Lionel Richie.

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-Well done.

-Well played.

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-Very well done, Richard.

-Hooray!

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Torn was originally by US alternative band Ednaswap.

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Girls Just Want To Have Fun was by Robert Hazard,

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who supposedly wrote the tune in about 20 minutes while he was in the shower...

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on his own, but he thought that girls wanted to have fun.

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Back in 1979.

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Tainted Love was originally a B-side recorded in 1964

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by soul singer Gloria Jones.

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It became a Northern Soul classic.

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Gloria Jones was also the girlfriend of T. Rex singer Marc Bolan.

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Well played, Richard. Another £200 into the prize pot,

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bringing your total amount at the end of Round One up to £600.

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Well played.

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Let's see how they cope with pictures. It's time for Round Two.

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Richard, Round Two is the picture round.

0:16:300:16:32

You must place three pictures in the correct order.

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Three questions in this round.

0:16:350:16:37

£300 up for grabs for each correct answer.

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A possible 900 quid.

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OK. Here we go, here's your first question.

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Right. I think I know when the first Academy Award was.

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I think I know when the first Fifa World Cup was.

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I haven't got a clue about the Nobel Prize.

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That's the problem I've got. So I'm looking for some guidance on

0:17:100:17:14

-that one, I really am.

-OK, panel, can we sort this out for Richard?

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-Your debate starts now.

-Well, Nobel was the man who...

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He died, I'm pretty sure, at the end of the 1800s.

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So we're going to Nobel first.

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We've got to go Nobel first.

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-Yeah, you can see by what he's wearing...

-Yeah.

0:17:270:17:29

-If we're being logical, definitely first.

-Nobel is first.

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I know diddly about football,

0:17:320:17:34

except that I don't think it's been around...

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Well, Fifa hasn't been around as long as the Academy Awards.

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-No, I don't think so.

-Because they were awarding Academies, again,

0:17:400:17:44

in the days of black and white,

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back in the 1930s, weren't they?

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-Yeah. I think when they started talkies, wasn't it?

-It was.

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So, I don't think...

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And I don't think Fifa's been around that long.

0:17:520:17:54

-No.

-So shall we swap these around?

0:17:560:17:57

What does anybody else think?

0:17:570:17:59

-So...

-Yeah, I think that's the...

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There we go. Almost 100% that that's...

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He's 1800 and something.

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-I'm pretty certain.

-Yeah.

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We feel good about this. We feel good about this.

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So, as a team, we think that Nobel came first,

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then the Academy Awards and then the Fifa World Cup.

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I'm pretty sure the first Academy Awards were in the '20s.

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I'm pretty sure the first Fifa World Cup was in the '30s in Uruguay,

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although I can't remember the exact year.

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I'm pretty sure if England won it in '66,

0:18:270:18:29

Brazil had won it twice before that. Italy had won it twice before that.

0:18:290:18:32

Uruguay had won it twice before that.

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So that takes us back about 24, 28 years or so.

0:18:340:18:36

So that's about then.

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So, I think, again, I think what a team.

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I'm going to agree. I think I'm going to say Nobel Prize first,

0:18:410:18:45

followed by the Academy Awards, followed by Fifa World Cup.

0:18:450:18:48

OK, for £300, is that the correct order?

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-It is the correct order.

-Yes!

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-Well done.

-Well done, panel.

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-Very well played.

-Well done.

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The Nobel Prize was first awarded in 1901,

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the Academy Awards first awarded in the '20s, 1929,

0:19:090:19:13

and then the Fifa World Cup in the 1930s.

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Obviously, that is not the original World Cup.

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The original World Cup was the Jules Rimet Trophy.

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And you were right - the first World Cup was in Uruguay.

0:19:200:19:24

Well played. £300 into the prize pot.

0:19:240:19:26

You're up to £900.

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OK. Your second picture question.

0:19:310:19:33

Here it comes.

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I think Mercury is Hg.

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I think silver is Ag, and I think tungsten is V, I think.

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-Oh, Richard, well done, love.

-Yeah.

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If memory serves... It's been a long time since I was at school.

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Feel free to ignore that, panel.

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Your debate starts now.

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I know that silver is Ag, so I'm going to put that right up there.

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The only thing I know about tungsten is when I was 11,

0:20:130:20:16

I bought my dad some darts.

0:20:160:20:17

They were tungsten-tipped and it was the best thing I've ever bought him.

0:20:170:20:21

So that's my... There you go.

0:20:210:20:23

I bunked off science.

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-There you go.

-I didn't know tungsten was V.

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I knew silver and mercury, but I didn't know...

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-Mercury is definitely H.

-Hg.

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So, we know these two, anyway.

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We don't need to know that one, as a result, because it's bound to be

0:20:350:20:38

-the other end.

-I didn't.

0:20:380:20:40

-I'll be honest.

-And the tungsten-tipped

0:20:400:20:43

gave V for victory for your dad, clearly, when he played darts.

0:20:430:20:46

-180.

-There you go.

-Best thing that ever happened to him.

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So, as the team, we are prepared to accept the answer of our contestant,

0:20:490:20:54

-Richard.

-Absolutely.

-..and go with silver, mercury and tungsten.

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We think Richard's right.

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Based on Sally's darts for her dad.

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That was the convincing fact for me.

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That was the one that really did it.

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I'm certain silver's definitely Ag.

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Mercury's definitely Hg.

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I'm just questioning myself whether tungsten is V.

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I think it is.

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I'm going to say...

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Yeah, I'm going to stick with what the panel have said.

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Silver, mercury, tungsten.

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Is that the correct order, for £300?

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-Yes!

-It is the correct order.

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-Well done.

-Well done.

-Thank you, Mr Watkinson, in science lesson,

0:21:340:21:39

-all them years ago.

-All those years ago.

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Silver is Ag, from the Latin argentum.

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Mercury is Hg, which is the abbreviation of hydrogerum,

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which is the Greek words "water" and "silver".

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Who was your science teacher?

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I had several but the one I remember, Mr Watkinson.

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OK, and Mr Watkinson will know that mercury is widely associated

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with thermometers in the UK.

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Mercury in thermometers has actually been illegal since 2009.

0:22:030:22:07

-Mr Watkinson will also know that tungsten is W...

-Oh! Close!

-..not V.

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Also called wolfram. Tungsten is often used for the filaments

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in light bulbs and for darts in the 1980s.

0:22:170:22:20

That's another 300 quid

0:22:230:22:24

into the prize pot. You're doing ever so well, Richard.

0:22:240:22:27

You're up to £1,200.

0:22:270:22:28

OK, Richard, here comes your final picture question.

0:22:330:22:36

Um...I, I...

0:22:520:22:55

Yeah, I don't know.

0:22:550:22:56

I'm hoping... Have you interviewed some of them, by any chance, Angela?

0:22:560:23:00

-Hope so.

-OK, panel, can we sort this out for Richard?

0:23:000:23:03

-Your debate starts now.

-It's a tricky one, isn't it?

-It is.

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Charlotte Dujardin, of course, won...

0:23:060:23:08

-She's won two gold medals now, hasn't she, as dressage...?

-Yeah.

0:23:080:23:11

Absolutely brilliant dressage rider.

0:23:110:23:13

And she's married.

0:23:130:23:15

She's quite young.

0:23:150:23:17

Andy Murray is, funnily enough, one of the oldest tennis players.

0:23:170:23:21

-Yes.

-I know that we just had Federer winning and he's 35.

0:23:210:23:26

Andy Murray is older than all of the others.

0:23:260:23:28

After Federer.

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So I think he's late 20s, early 30s.

0:23:300:23:33

-He's...

-How old is Mo? I don't know.

0:23:330:23:37

-Mo's got a couple of kids, right?

-A couple of kids but I think...

0:23:370:23:40

-Yeah.

-Andy's just had one just recently.

0:23:400:23:44

-Does that mean anything, though?

-But I just think...

-Charlotte...

0:23:440:23:47

-Shall we swap these around?

-I think it's...

0:23:470:23:49

I think it goes Charlotte, Andy, Mo.

0:23:490:23:51

I think.

0:23:510:23:52

I'm worried about these two, but...

0:23:520:23:54

I think that Mo is older than Andy.

0:23:550:23:57

-Right. Just.

-Just, cos I think Andy's still late 20s.

0:23:570:24:01

Even though he's been around forever.

0:24:010:24:03

-I think we're...

-What do you reckon?

0:24:030:24:05

-I think we're right.

-Do you think, Ed?

-I think this is good.

0:24:050:24:07

I'm too lazy to move them again, to be honest with you.

0:24:070:24:09

Are we going to stick with this?

0:24:090:24:11

-I think so.

-Yeah.

-We're going to stick with this.

0:24:110:24:13

-Yes.

-Agreed?

-Yes, agreed.

0:24:130:24:14

So, we have finally agreed that we think the youngest is

0:24:140:24:18

Charlotte Dujardin,

0:24:180:24:20

that in the middle we've got Andy Murray

0:24:200:24:22

and the old bloke on the end is Mo Farah.

0:24:220:24:24

So, there's no way to sort this out from the wrinkles on their face,

0:24:260:24:29

Richard. But they believe it is Charlotte Dujardin, is the youngest.

0:24:290:24:33

-Yeah.

-Then Andy Murray.

0:24:330:24:36

Then Mo Farah. Does that make any sense?

0:24:360:24:38

There's some compelling arguments. I did see one interview with

0:24:380:24:40

Charlotte Dujardin and she did seem quite young.

0:24:400:24:42

It's sometimes hard to tell when they've got the helmet on.

0:24:420:24:45

But she did seem a bit younger.

0:24:450:24:47

Andy Murray, I'm sure, has just turned 30.

0:24:470:24:50

I'm sure I've seen that.

0:24:500:24:51

I think would say Mo is probably just the oldest.

0:24:510:24:54

Again, I think we'll go Charlotte Dujardin first, Andy Murray second,

0:24:540:24:58

and Mo Farah the oldest.

0:24:580:25:00

OK. Going with the panel again on this one.

0:25:020:25:05

For £300, is that the correct order?

0:25:060:25:09

-Ooh!

-It's the wrong order.

0:25:150:25:18

-I'm sorry.

-Let's have a look, Richard, at the correct order.

0:25:180:25:24

-Oh, wow!

-Andy Murray is the youngest.

-Oh!

0:25:240:25:27

-My gosh!

-Then Charlotte Dujardin.

0:25:270:25:30

-Then Mo Farah.

-Wow!

0:25:300:25:33

Andy Murray was born May 15th, 1987.

0:25:330:25:36

Dressage rider Charlotte Dujardin was born 13th of July 1985.

0:25:360:25:41

-Older than him.

-And Mo Farah was born 23rd of March 1983.

0:25:410:25:48

At the end of our picture round, you're up to £1,200.

0:25:480:25:51

So, Richard, this is the point where we pause,

0:25:550:25:57

have a little look at our panel. Who is standing out in a good way?

0:25:570:26:01

-Or in a bad way?

-Well, not to say Sally's let herself down in that round at all...

0:26:010:26:05

-Thanks, Richard.

-Darts knowledge alone will carry you through.

0:26:050:26:09

But that was a tough one to do, cos I think there was a hell of

0:26:090:26:12

a lot of guesswork in there, really,

0:26:120:26:13

on everyone's behalf, really.

0:26:130:26:15

So I can't split it on that one.

0:26:150:26:17

I think, Richard, you were the best on that round, to be fair.

0:26:170:26:21

-No.

-OK.

0:26:210:26:22

There is still £1,500 up for grabs.

0:26:220:26:25

It's time for Round Three.

0:26:250:26:27

OK, Richard, in Round Three,

0:26:300:26:31

you will face questions that contain statements about a person,

0:26:310:26:34

a place or a thing. Only one of them, though, is true.

0:26:340:26:37

It is the final round. We up the money to £500 for each correct answer.

0:26:370:26:41

A possible 1,500 up for grabs.

0:26:410:26:44

Here comes your first question.

0:26:440:26:45

I think I might know the answer to this one.

0:27:110:27:13

-I'll be honest.

-Well, hold that thought.

0:27:130:27:15

-I'm going to hold it.

-Hold that thought.

0:27:150:27:17

Let's see if our panel can shed any light on this.

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Panel, your debate starts now.

0:27:210:27:24

-Whoopi Cushin?

-It can't be.

0:27:240:27:25

-Her parents...

-Just no chance.

0:27:250:27:27

I can't believe that any of them are true.

0:27:270:27:30

That's what I can't believe.

0:27:300:27:32

Whoopi Goldberg... That's not her real name, is it, anyway?

0:27:330:27:36

-Whoopi's obviously a nickname, isn't it?

-So, if...

0:27:360:27:39

Well, that would be River Bottom, as well.

0:27:390:27:42

-Exactly.

-River Phoenix would be River Bottom.

-Yeah.

0:27:420:27:44

Cos Goldberg is such...

0:27:440:27:46

I'd be more likely to go for Joaquin Phoenix.

0:27:460:27:48

-Would you?

-Yeah.

0:27:480:27:49

So Joaquin Bottom and River Bottom?

0:27:490:27:53

-"Whack your bottom" and river...

-They've called their son River?

0:27:530:27:55

The surname was Bottom?

0:27:550:27:57

You'd have called your son Justin if your surname was Case?!

0:27:570:28:00

You'd have called your daughter Whoopi if...

0:28:000:28:02

All of them are ridiculous.

0:28:020:28:03

They are ridiculous. That's what I'm saying.

0:28:030:28:06

But the thing is, Joaquin is ridiculous anyway.

0:28:060:28:10

-Yes.

-Yes.

-As is River.

0:28:100:28:12

Do we think Justin Bieber was Justin Bieber?

0:28:120:28:15

-I've no idea. I think...

-I think Justin Bieber is his real name.

0:28:160:28:19

For some reason, I'm thinking Whoopi Goldberg. But I don't know.

0:28:190:28:23

Really don't know.

0:28:230:28:24

We think Justin Bieber was the real name?

0:28:240:28:26

-I think so.

-Yeah. Whoopi Goldberg, Whoopi Cushin.

0:28:260:28:29

I can't... I'm just not buying Whoopi Cushin.

0:28:290:28:33

But it's C-U-S-H-I-N.

0:28:330:28:36

-Different spelling.

-I appreciate that.

0:28:360:28:39

What do they call cushions in America? It might be

0:28:400:28:42

-a different word, like sidewalk...

-Different, yeah.

0:28:420:28:45

So, what do we think? You think it's...?

0:28:450:28:46

I think it's Joaquin Phoenix.

0:28:460:28:48

-You think it's Whoopi.

-Mm.

-You're going to have to go for it, Angela.

0:28:480:28:51

-I'm going to have to choose, aren't I?

-Yeah.

0:28:510:28:53

I think her first name might have been Cushin.

0:28:530:28:56

And you think she changed it to Goldberg?

0:28:560:28:59

-Yes.

-OK.

0:28:590:29:02

I think... I agree, it's Whoopi Goldberg,

0:29:020:29:05

who was originally Whoopi Cushin,

0:29:050:29:07

and I think the family name probably was Cushin,

0:29:070:29:09

so they came up with Whoopi as a...

0:29:090:29:11

As a sort of familiar name for her.

0:29:130:29:16

Sorry - stop prevaricating.

0:29:170:29:18

Um...

0:29:180:29:21

Well, we have debated

0:29:210:29:22

but I don't think we're terribly sure about this, Richard.

0:29:220:29:25

So forgive us, but we're going to go with Whoopi Cushin.

0:29:250:29:28

I just love the fact that Ed sat there,

0:29:320:29:35

almost like a Hollywood movie as a lawyer in court, going,

0:29:350:29:39

"And you think she changed her name to Goldberg?"

0:29:390:29:43

OK, Richard, after some debate and not a lot of knowledge,

0:29:440:29:48

the panel believes that Whoopi Goldberg was born Whoopi Cushin.

0:29:480:29:53

Yeah, colour me unconvinced.

0:29:530:29:56

I think... There was always a joke when I was younger -

0:29:560:29:59

I remember seeing Whoopi Goldberg in lots of films, and they used to say,

0:29:590:30:02

"Do you know Whoopi Goldberg has just married Peter Cushing?"

0:30:020:30:04

And obviously then become Whoopi Cushing.

0:30:040:30:06

So I've heard that and if I'd have heard that,

0:30:060:30:09

I would have probably know that her actual real name was Cushin.

0:30:090:30:11

-Right.

-Possibly. Justin Bieber, I know,

0:30:110:30:14

was found on social media and he's Canadian

0:30:140:30:16

and I'm sure I've heard the name Case in Canada.

0:30:160:30:18

So, I'm going to go against them for the first time and we are going to

0:30:190:30:22

fall out and I'm going to go with C, Justin Bieber.

0:30:220:30:25

-First time against the panel.

-Yeah.

0:30:280:30:30

For £300...

0:30:300:30:32

..the correct statement is...

0:30:340:30:35

-Joaquin Phoenix...

-Both wrong!

-..was born Joaquin Bottom.

0:30:440:30:49

-Sorry, Ed.

-It's quite all right.

0:30:490:30:52

You don't have to apologise to me.

0:30:520:30:54

But the burden of knowledge weighs heavy...

0:30:540:30:58

He's going to be unbearable for the rest of the programme.

0:30:590:31:01

-You realise that.

-Joaquin Phoenix was born Joaquin Rafael Bottom

0:31:010:31:07

on the 28th of October 1974.

0:31:070:31:10

The whole Phoenix family were originally Bottoms,

0:31:100:31:13

including River Jude Bottom, Rain Joan Of Arc Bottom.

0:31:130:31:19

Their parents were John and Arlyn Bottom.

0:31:190:31:23

They changes their surname to Phoenix in the late '70s.

0:31:230:31:25

-Wow!

-No money there, Richard, but there's still £1,000 up for grabs.

0:31:250:31:30

Let's see if we can get it. Here comes your next question.

0:31:300:31:33

I really don't know. I really don't know.

0:31:520:31:54

The problem I'm going to have is distinguishing alligators from

0:31:540:31:57

crocodiles. Do they both have different characteristics?

0:31:570:32:00

So, happy to hear more.

0:32:000:32:01

Don't worry. The panel will sort this out for us very quickly.

0:32:010:32:05

Your debate starts now.

0:32:050:32:07

-Right.

-They can't breathe under water.

0:32:070:32:09

-They can't?

-Nothing can breathe under water - only fish.

0:32:090:32:12

-Really?

-Yes.

-So that's absolute fact?

0:32:120:32:14

They've got noses - they breathe through their noses.

0:32:140:32:16

I was thinking that.

0:32:160:32:18

They can breathe out under water...

0:32:180:32:20

-Yeah.

-But we can all do that.

0:32:200:32:21

-We can all do that.

-They can't breathe in.

0:32:210:32:23

How many countries...

0:32:230:32:24

Certainly, they're found in America.

0:32:240:32:26

Where else are they found?

0:32:260:32:28

Alligators.

0:32:280:32:29

I'm not 100% sure. I would have thought they were found

0:32:300:32:35

across the continent of the Americas. Across North America,

0:32:350:32:38

-South America.

-And South America.

0:32:380:32:40

I would have thought so.

0:32:400:32:42

The sense of hearing thing - I've got half a mind

0:32:420:32:45

-that they have that sort of... They just sense vibrations.

-Taps?

0:32:450:32:49

Cos they don't really have any ears, do they? No.

0:32:490:32:51

And they can just feel vibrations and sense movement in the water.

0:32:510:32:54

They would feel it through the water.

0:32:540:32:56

Initially, I was thinking it's one of those brilliant things that you

0:32:560:32:59

find out, they are found in only two countries.

0:32:590:33:01

You know, and you think, "Really?!" I don't know I'm thinking...

0:33:010:33:04

They've got to be found in more than two countries.

0:33:040:33:06

They can't only be native to America, surely.

0:33:060:33:09

-Right.

-Yeah.

-Let's go for...

0:33:090:33:10

That's why you tell them you'll see them later.

0:33:100:33:13

-See them later?

-Because... See you later, alligator.

0:33:130:33:15

You can actually call them to make a date.

0:33:150:33:18

-Well done.

-OK, do we agree?

0:33:180:33:21

-Yeah.

-Yes, I think so.

-No sense of hearing?

0:33:210:33:24

-OK.

-In that case,

0:33:240:33:27

having debated the question,

0:33:270:33:28

we think that the answer is that

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they have no sense of hearing.

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So, Richard, Sally would like the idea that alligators are only found

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in two countries. But the panel, after their debate,

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have gone for "no sense of hearing".

0:33:430:33:45

Right. OK, yeah. I think "only found in two countries" is a tough one.

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Are they not found all the way through the Caribbean?

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So there's a lot of countries there, possibly.

0:33:510:33:53

I'm trying to think back to pictures of them.

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They haven't got ears. I'm sure they haven't got ears.

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And I'm sure that a lot of them have...

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Snakes don't have ears and a lot of reptiles don't have ears.

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So, yeah, I'm going to agree this time.

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I'm going to go with C, "have no sense of hearing".

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OK, going with the panel.

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Alligators have no sense of hearing.

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For £500, is that the correct answer?

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-Oh!

-They are found in the wild in only two countries.

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Right.

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There are two known species of alligator -

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-the American and the Chinese.

-Chinese?!

0:34:390:34:41

-Wow!

-Alligators do not breathe under water

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but can stay submerged for over an hour.

0:34:440:34:47

-They have excellent hearing...

-What?

0:34:470:34:49

..and eyesight and a good sense of smell, which helps them hunt.

0:34:490:34:52

OK, Richard. £500 still up for grabs.

0:34:520:34:55

Here's your final question.

0:34:550:34:57

Wow! OK. I think... After seeing some interviews recently,

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there was one there I think I've heard.

0:35:230:35:25

I think I may have heard, so I'm looking to get a bit more detail

0:35:260:35:29

from my distinguished panel there, I think, on that one.

0:35:290:35:32

So, as a councillor in politics,

0:35:320:35:34

you are throwing the political question over to our panel.

0:35:340:35:37

-I've not done it for very long.

-OK.

0:35:370:35:39

All right, panel. Let's see if you can sort it out.

0:35:400:35:42

-Your debate starts now.

-Well, the first one is not right.

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The first one, because she was Hilda.

0:35:450:35:47

-Hilda, yeah.

-She was Hilda.

0:35:470:35:49

-Right.

-I'm almost positive...

0:35:490:35:51

-Wasn't her father a grocer?

-Her father was a grocer, yeah.

0:35:510:35:53

A shopkeeper. But...

0:35:530:35:54

-..was he a policeman in his spare time...

-Before that?

-..before that?

0:35:560:35:59

-Yeah, that's a tricky one.

-And was Denis's first wife called Margaret?

0:35:590:36:03

-Yeah.

-Maybe Denis was married before to someone called Margaret.

0:36:030:36:08

-Yeah.

-Which is how he gravitated to the second one.

0:36:080:36:11

"I'll stick with what I know."

0:36:110:36:12

-Exactly.

-"I won't ever accidentally call her the wrong name."

0:36:120:36:16

Yeah. Maybe he had a tattoo.

0:36:160:36:18

Yes!

0:36:180:36:19

So, it's between those two for me. I love the idea...

0:36:210:36:25

I think she would have spoken more

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about her father's involvement with the police.

0:36:260:36:30

She would have made an issue of that as a law-and-order kind of

0:36:300:36:33

-politician, wouldn't she?

-When she was respon... Yes, she would've.

0:36:330:36:36

So, what do we think, then -

0:36:360:36:37

that Denis was married to somebody called Margaret?

0:36:370:36:40

Which I love the idea of, but, yeah...

0:36:400:36:42

Well, a short debate on that one.

0:36:420:36:44

We believe that Denis was married to someone called Margaret

0:36:440:36:47

before he was married to Margaret Hilda.

0:36:470:36:50

-Hmm. What do you make of this then, Richard?

-Yeah, very interesting.

0:36:530:36:56

I love the idea of having two wives called Margaret.

0:36:560:36:59

I'll go for C, please.

0:36:590:37:00

OK. Statement that's true about Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher...

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Did her husband Denis's first wife also have the name Margaret?

0:37:050:37:11

For £500...

0:37:110:37:12

She did.

0:37:210:37:22

-Indeed she did.

-Well done.

0:37:230:37:25

Denis was married to the first Margaret Thatcher,

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nee Margaret Kempson, in 1942.

0:37:300:37:33

The second, more famous, Margaret Thatcher

0:37:330:37:35

was born Margaret Hilda Roberts.

0:37:350:37:38

She married Denis in 1951.

0:37:380:37:39

Her father was a grocer and never a part-time copper.

0:37:390:37:42

And well done, Richard. Well worked out there.

0:37:420:37:45

It means at the end of Round Three, your prize pot is up to £1,700.

0:37:450:37:49

So, it's a tidy little sum. Are you going to invest this financially

0:37:530:37:57

or are you going to spend it?

0:37:570:37:59

I've been informed by two young eight-year-old girls -

0:37:590:38:01

if we don't go to Disneyland soon, they're going to be too old to appreciate it.

0:38:010:38:05

OK, so there is a family holiday to Disneyland potentially at stake.

0:38:050:38:08

Absolutely no pressure, panel.

0:38:080:38:10

It all comes down to our Final Debate, Richard, where you will face

0:38:100:38:13

one question and that question will have six possible answers.

0:38:130:38:16

Only three of them are correct.

0:38:160:38:18

To win the money, you know how it works -

0:38:180:38:20

you need to give me all three correct answers.

0:38:200:38:23

But you will not be on your own.

0:38:230:38:25

You will choose one of this fine panel to help you.

0:38:250:38:28

You and your panellist will have 45 seconds to debate the question.

0:38:280:38:31

So, based on their performances today,

0:38:310:38:34

who would you like to join you in the Final Debate?

0:38:340:38:36

Will it be sarcastic fringehead Ed Byrne?

0:38:360:38:39

Will it be our sparklemuffin Angela Rippon? Or...

0:38:390:38:42

# Hello

0:38:420:38:44

# Is it Sally you're looking for? #

0:38:440:38:46

Yeah, they've all been brilliant and they've all made

0:38:460:38:49

massive contributions but I think...

0:38:490:38:51

I disagreed with him and he proved me to be wrong.

0:38:510:38:53

And we're going to get the boys together. I'm going to go with Ed.

0:38:530:38:55

OK, Ed, will you please join us as we play the Final Debate?

0:38:550:38:58

So, Ed, this is it. Richard has put his faith in you.

0:39:010:39:04

He has done the right thing.

0:39:040:39:06

Ah! Well, if you say so. If you say so.

0:39:060:39:09

I've had a lovely day out, Paddy,

0:39:090:39:11

and it was nice to just be here.

0:39:110:39:14

That's the attitude going into an end game, Ed.

0:39:140:39:16

It was nice to be here.

0:39:160:39:18

All right. Let's take a look at the Final Debate categories.

0:39:180:39:22

Wow! I've got to be honest -

0:39:280:39:30

I like my geography.

0:39:300:39:32

But that depends...

0:39:320:39:34

Europe's kind of vast, isn't it, really?

0:39:340:39:35

Yeah. Music - if we got lucky on music, we'd be away.

0:39:350:39:39

But I'd be looking for quite a bit of luck on Europe, as well.

0:39:390:39:44

-I'm...

-I would... I would veer towards music.

0:39:440:39:47

-Would you?

-I'm happy to go with Europe if you'd rather.

0:39:470:39:50

See, again, not much between the two but I'd edge towards Europe.

0:39:500:39:54

So I'm going to go with Europe, I think.

0:39:540:39:57

OK, it is your decision.

0:39:570:39:58

Ed is a well-travelled man.

0:39:580:40:00

Let's see if he can help you out with this. We're going to put 45 seconds on the clock.

0:40:000:40:04

For £1,700, here comes your Final Debate question.

0:40:040:40:07

Your debate starts now.

0:40:270:40:28

-Norway's not.

-No, Norway... Estonia and Finland both are.

0:40:280:40:31

Do you want to know something really sad about me?

0:40:310:40:33

-Go for it.

-I collect Euro coins.

0:40:330:40:34

-OK.

-Estonia and Finland both...

0:40:340:40:36

Estonia and Finland...

0:40:360:40:38

The fact they're in the euro definitely means they're

0:40:380:40:40

-in the European Union, then?

-Yeah. I believe so.

-You'd think so.

0:40:400:40:44

-Romania...

-Montenegro and Romania and I think it's...

0:40:440:40:47

Switzerland's not, is it?

0:40:470:40:49

-No, it's not.

-It's not at all.

0:40:490:40:51

So, Montenegro and Romania.

0:40:510:40:53

-Romania, I would suggest is more likely to.

-20 seconds.

0:40:530:40:55

-I...

-Didn't they get added quite late on

0:40:550:40:58

and then...we suddenly realised

0:40:580:41:01

there were more Romanian people in Britain?

0:41:010:41:03

-No?

-Well, I distinctly recall Nigel Farage complaining about Romanians.

0:41:030:41:07

-I think so, yeah.

-Five seconds.

-I'm guessing they are in the EU.

0:41:070:41:10

-Estonia, Finland, Romania.

-Estonia, Finland, Romania. Yeah.

0:41:100:41:13

OK, Richard, you're going for...?

0:41:140:41:16

Estonia. Finland.

0:41:160:41:18

And Romania.

0:41:180:41:20

OK, Richard, best of luck.

0:41:200:41:21

We need all three to be correct in order to leave with the money.

0:41:210:41:25

For £1,700, the first answer you gave me was Estonia.

0:41:250:41:29

Is Estonia in the European Union?

0:41:290:41:31

Go on, Ed.

0:41:380:41:40

Just suddenly had my doubts on Estonia.

0:41:410:41:43

Thank you for your collection of coins.

0:41:430:41:46

Next up, to keep you on track for the money, you said Finland.

0:41:460:41:50

Is Finland in the European Union?

0:41:500:41:52

Finland is in the European Union.

0:41:580:42:00

Estonia and Finland.

0:42:030:42:04

You then were edging between Montenegro and Romania.

0:42:040:42:07

You plumped for Romania.

0:42:070:42:09

If Romania is correct, you leave with £1,700.

0:42:110:42:15

If it's the wrong answer, I'm afraid you do leave with nothing, Richard.

0:42:150:42:18

Fingers crossed. Best of luck.

0:42:180:42:19

Is Romania in the European Union?

0:42:200:42:23

Come on! Thank you very much.

0:42:330:42:37

Very well played, Richard. Well done, Ed.

0:42:370:42:40

Well played, Richard. You've just won £1,700.

0:42:400:42:42

-CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

-Thank you very much.

0:42:420:42:46

The European Union flag features a circle of 12 gold stars on a blue

0:42:470:42:52

background. They stand for the ideals of unity, solidarity

0:42:520:42:56

and harmony among the peoples of Europe, Ed.

0:42:560:42:59

The number of stars has nothing to do with the number of countries,

0:42:590:43:02

which is convenient, based on what has just happened.

0:43:020:43:04

That is it for Debatable.

0:43:060:43:07

There's just enough time for me to thank my fantastic panel -

0:43:070:43:09

Ed Byrne, Angela Rippon and Sally Lindsay.

0:43:090:43:12

I hope you've enjoyed watching. We will see you next time for more heated debates.

0:43:140:43:18

For now, from me, it's goodbye.

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