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We asked you, who has left you feeling ripped off | 0:00:02 | 0:00:04 | |
when it comes to your holidays, and you came back | 0:00:04 | 0:00:07 | |
with a whole catalogue of travel disasters. | 0:00:07 | 0:00:09 | |
Letting us come all this way to be told we're going home | 0:00:09 | 0:00:12 | |
on the next day! Just furious! | 0:00:12 | 0:00:14 | |
It has tainted the whole experience | 0:00:14 | 0:00:17 | |
of booking holidays and trusting companies. | 0:00:17 | 0:00:20 | |
Now, whether it's a deliberate rip-off, | 0:00:20 | 0:00:22 | |
a simple mistake, or indeed a catch in the smallprint, | 0:00:22 | 0:00:26 | |
we'll find out why you're out of pocket and what you can do about it. | 0:00:26 | 0:00:30 | |
Your stories, your money. This is Rip-Off Britain. | 0:00:30 | 0:00:33 | |
Hello, and it's a very warm and deliciously sunny welcome from here | 0:00:35 | 0:00:39 | |
in Tenerife, where we're investigating some of the issues | 0:00:39 | 0:00:42 | |
that you've asked us to look into, concerning holidays and travel. | 0:00:42 | 0:00:46 | |
And today we'll be hearing about some trips that, I'm afraid, | 0:00:46 | 0:00:49 | |
had a very nasty and expensive sting in the tail, | 0:00:49 | 0:00:51 | |
thanks to unexpected charges | 0:00:51 | 0:00:54 | |
that only came to light after you had returned home. | 0:00:54 | 0:00:57 | |
Some of which arrived long after you'd got home from your holiday, | 0:00:57 | 0:01:00 | |
by which point, of course, it can't really be established | 0:01:00 | 0:01:02 | |
whether or not you do owe the money that's being demanded. | 0:01:02 | 0:01:06 | |
Or, even worse, | 0:01:06 | 0:01:07 | |
to know what might happen if you choose to take no notice at all. | 0:01:07 | 0:01:10 | |
Especially if the letters that you've been sent suggest that, | 0:01:10 | 0:01:14 | |
if you do ignore them, it may cause even more bother in the long run. | 0:01:14 | 0:01:17 | |
Well, I can tell you that among the situations we'll be looking at | 0:01:17 | 0:01:20 | |
is one that you'd never have seen coming, | 0:01:20 | 0:01:22 | |
certainly one that we had never come across before. | 0:01:22 | 0:01:25 | |
But another is one of the most frequent holiday complaints | 0:01:25 | 0:01:28 | |
you contact us about. Well, either way, we'll have advice to make sure | 0:01:28 | 0:01:32 | |
your holiday doesn't end with a thoroughly unwelcome souvenir. | 0:01:32 | 0:01:36 | |
Mobile fees on the high seas - the loophole that means, | 0:01:38 | 0:01:42 | |
even in Europe, you could still face unexpected bills on your phone. | 0:01:42 | 0:01:46 | |
We all felt cheated, | 0:01:46 | 0:01:48 | |
because suddenly these extra charges appeared from nowhere. | 0:01:48 | 0:01:51 | |
Couldn't understand why these charges had suddenly been applied. | 0:01:51 | 0:01:54 | |
And threatening letters, even fines, from courts overseas - | 0:01:56 | 0:01:59 | |
what to do if you find yourself caught up in a foreign legal system, | 0:01:59 | 0:02:03 | |
through no fault of your own. | 0:02:03 | 0:02:05 | |
You feel as if you're paying for something which is not your fault, | 0:02:05 | 0:02:09 | |
you didn't commit, and you just feel it's wrong. | 0:02:09 | 0:02:12 | |
Now, very often in this programme we've featured cases of people | 0:02:14 | 0:02:18 | |
who've returned from their lovely holidays only to find themselves | 0:02:18 | 0:02:21 | |
landed with a sky-high phone bill, | 0:02:21 | 0:02:23 | |
usually racked up by using apps or data abroad. | 0:02:23 | 0:02:26 | |
So it was really good news indeed when, back in June 2017, | 0:02:26 | 0:02:30 | |
the data roaming charges within the European Union | 0:02:30 | 0:02:33 | |
were abolished altogether. I loved that. | 0:02:33 | 0:02:35 | |
Meaning, of course, that at least on short-haul holidays, | 0:02:35 | 0:02:39 | |
the cost of using your mobile phone should be the same as it is at home. | 0:02:39 | 0:02:43 | |
Well, we were hopeful that would mean an end to the nasty surprises | 0:02:43 | 0:02:47 | |
that so many of you have experienced with your bills, | 0:02:47 | 0:02:50 | |
and whilst for the main part that does seem to have been the case, | 0:02:50 | 0:02:53 | |
I'm afraid we're hearing from a number of people | 0:02:53 | 0:02:56 | |
who are still getting stung by excessive charges, | 0:02:56 | 0:02:59 | |
and it turns out that there's a very particular reason for that, | 0:02:59 | 0:03:02 | |
one which, I guarantee, | 0:03:02 | 0:03:04 | |
you would most likely have been caught out by as well. | 0:03:04 | 0:03:07 | |
Using your phone on holiday has always felt a bit of a minefield, | 0:03:09 | 0:03:12 | |
with many of you returning from trips abroad to find | 0:03:12 | 0:03:16 | |
you've been hit with huge bills, not just for calls and texts, | 0:03:16 | 0:03:19 | |
but for browsing the internet or checking social media. | 0:03:19 | 0:03:22 | |
But, in Europe at least, | 0:03:22 | 0:03:24 | |
those unwelcome charges should all have come to an end, | 0:03:24 | 0:03:28 | |
when, in June 2017, | 0:03:28 | 0:03:30 | |
data roaming charges were scrapped right across the EU. | 0:03:30 | 0:03:33 | |
From today, so-called roaming charges for using mobile phones | 0:03:35 | 0:03:38 | |
abroad are being outlawed by the EU, | 0:03:38 | 0:03:41 | |
after a decade-long battle between Brussels and telecoms companies. | 0:03:41 | 0:03:45 | |
The ruling meant the cost of using your mobile in European destinations | 0:03:45 | 0:03:49 | |
should now be just the same as at home. | 0:03:49 | 0:03:52 | |
And for Paul English from Kent, | 0:03:54 | 0:03:56 | |
the change seemed great timing, as he was taking his family, | 0:03:56 | 0:03:59 | |
and indeed his motorhome, | 0:03:59 | 0:04:00 | |
on a trip to Europe around the period when it was due to come in. | 0:04:00 | 0:04:04 | |
I heard that the EU had directed all of the phone companies that it was | 0:04:04 | 0:04:08 | |
going to be the same charges all over Europe for roaming, | 0:04:08 | 0:04:12 | |
but I wasn't sure on the date that it started, and I knew we were going | 0:04:12 | 0:04:15 | |
at the beginning of June, so I decided to contact | 0:04:15 | 0:04:18 | |
all of our mobile phone suppliers, | 0:04:18 | 0:04:20 | |
to find out if we could use ours abroad and when it would start. | 0:04:20 | 0:04:23 | |
Paul was told that the new rules would come into effect | 0:04:25 | 0:04:28 | |
halfway through his holiday, so until that point on the trip, | 0:04:28 | 0:04:31 | |
the family kept their phones out of action, | 0:04:31 | 0:04:33 | |
to ensure there'd be no surprises on their bills when they got home. | 0:04:33 | 0:04:37 | |
We all turned our phones off when we went on the ferry over to Europe, | 0:04:37 | 0:04:40 | |
until the date they told us, which was the 15th of June. | 0:04:40 | 0:04:44 | |
And we then turned the phones back on | 0:04:44 | 0:04:47 | |
and used our free data roaming in Europe for the whole time. | 0:04:47 | 0:04:50 | |
It was a really good feeling in Europe, | 0:04:51 | 0:04:54 | |
to know that we could just use our phones as normal, | 0:04:54 | 0:04:57 | |
as if we were at home. We were using it all the time, taking pictures, | 0:04:57 | 0:05:01 | |
sending the pictures to our friends. | 0:05:01 | 0:05:03 | |
Paul's teenage daughter Jessica was particularly pleased to be able to | 0:05:04 | 0:05:08 | |
keep in touch with her friends back in the UK. | 0:05:08 | 0:05:11 | |
I used my phone like I would at home, just on social media, | 0:05:11 | 0:05:14 | |
talking to my friends, talking to my boyfriend, | 0:05:14 | 0:05:17 | |
and I didn't think anything of it, cos I was still in Europe. | 0:05:17 | 0:05:20 | |
The family was about to discover, however, | 0:05:20 | 0:05:23 | |
that there's an exception to where the new rules apply. | 0:05:23 | 0:05:26 | |
On the two-hour ferry journey from Dunkirk to Dover, | 0:05:26 | 0:05:29 | |
Paul got an unexpected message from his mobile phone provider, Vodafone. | 0:05:29 | 0:05:33 | |
Then, while on the ferry, I suddenly got a text. | 0:05:33 | 0:05:36 | |
I looked at my phone and it said, | 0:05:36 | 0:05:38 | |
"You're connected to maritime network." | 0:05:38 | 0:05:40 | |
I assumed that maritime network was a Wi-Fi thing from the boat itself, | 0:05:40 | 0:05:45 | |
from the actual ferry, | 0:05:45 | 0:05:47 | |
and didn't take much notice. | 0:05:47 | 0:05:48 | |
Unfortunately, as would soon become very clear, | 0:05:50 | 0:05:52 | |
it meant something quite different, | 0:05:52 | 0:05:54 | |
because Paul and his family were at sea, | 0:05:54 | 0:05:56 | |
and technically neither in France nor the UK. | 0:05:56 | 0:05:59 | |
Their mobile phones had switched over to a maritime network, | 0:05:59 | 0:06:02 | |
which connects ships and their crew to each other, all around the world, | 0:06:02 | 0:06:05 | |
via satellite. | 0:06:05 | 0:06:07 | |
And although they provide vital lines of communication between | 0:06:07 | 0:06:10 | |
all sorts of vessels, they don't count as being part of the EU, | 0:06:10 | 0:06:14 | |
which means if you connect to one, | 0:06:14 | 0:06:15 | |
the sort of data roaming charges you would still pay outside Europe | 0:06:15 | 0:06:19 | |
will apply. To be on the safe side, | 0:06:19 | 0:06:21 | |
Paul decided not to use his phone, | 0:06:21 | 0:06:23 | |
but left it switched on for the rest of the journey. | 0:06:23 | 0:06:25 | |
I then got a text, telling me that, | 0:06:25 | 0:06:27 | |
"You may be charged international roaming", and I thought, | 0:06:27 | 0:06:31 | |
"Well, I'm not on international roaming, I'm in Europe." | 0:06:31 | 0:06:34 | |
I thought nothing of it and left my phone on. | 0:06:34 | 0:06:36 | |
I didn't actually use the phone at all while we were on the boat. | 0:06:36 | 0:06:40 | |
Paul's wife and son also got a text informing them they may face | 0:06:41 | 0:06:45 | |
extra charges, but daughter Jessica, on the Three network, | 0:06:45 | 0:06:49 | |
says she didn't, and it wasn't till the family was back on dry land | 0:06:49 | 0:06:52 | |
that both Jessica and Paul discovered the true cost | 0:06:52 | 0:06:56 | |
of leaving their phones switched on while at sea. | 0:06:56 | 0:06:59 | |
Jessica had been charged £21 for data use during the ferry crossing, | 0:06:59 | 0:07:04 | |
while Paul was hit with an extra £24 on his bill. | 0:07:04 | 0:07:07 | |
I got my bill from Vodafone and I just glanced at it and I nearly had | 0:07:07 | 0:07:11 | |
a heart attack. I thought, "They've charged me for two months!" | 0:07:11 | 0:07:15 | |
So I went into the bill, and that's where it had | 0:07:15 | 0:07:18 | |
these international roaming charges | 0:07:18 | 0:07:21 | |
and receiving texts from Vodafone while we were on the ferry. | 0:07:21 | 0:07:25 | |
Well, having no idea that ferry crossings posed such a risk, | 0:07:26 | 0:07:29 | |
Paul wasn't happy at all. | 0:07:29 | 0:07:31 | |
We all felt cheated, | 0:07:32 | 0:07:34 | |
because suddenly these extra charges appeared from nowhere, | 0:07:34 | 0:07:37 | |
and we'd never gone outside of Europe, | 0:07:37 | 0:07:39 | |
so we couldn't understand why these charges had suddenly been applied. | 0:07:39 | 0:07:44 | |
And still can't, to be honest. | 0:07:44 | 0:07:45 | |
Paul got in touch with Vodafone and his daughter's network, Three, | 0:07:46 | 0:07:50 | |
who explained why the charges were valid. | 0:07:50 | 0:07:52 | |
I continually asked why we'd been charged this amount of money | 0:07:52 | 0:07:55 | |
and I said, "We're in Europe. | 0:07:55 | 0:07:57 | |
"If you're supposed to give us free roaming, why are you charging?" | 0:07:57 | 0:08:01 | |
Just, "It's a legitimate charge. You've signed onto maritime network, | 0:08:01 | 0:08:05 | |
"so you've got to pay for it." | 0:08:05 | 0:08:07 | |
But, determined to get his money back, Paul persisted, | 0:08:09 | 0:08:12 | |
and he did succeed in getting a refund for the charges | 0:08:12 | 0:08:15 | |
from Vodafone, plus £5 in compensation, | 0:08:15 | 0:08:18 | |
but his daughter Jessica, who was signed up to the Three network, | 0:08:18 | 0:08:22 | |
didn't have the same luck. | 0:08:22 | 0:08:24 | |
I was quite upset, seeing that I didn't really get any sort of | 0:08:24 | 0:08:27 | |
warning that it was going to happen. | 0:08:27 | 0:08:29 | |
No-one contacted me to tell me about this network on the ferry. | 0:08:29 | 0:08:34 | |
I got charged for it. | 0:08:34 | 0:08:35 | |
I'm very confused over this maritime network thing, | 0:08:35 | 0:08:39 | |
I don't understand where it comes from, | 0:08:39 | 0:08:41 | |
who owns it and how you can sign onto it | 0:08:41 | 0:08:44 | |
without you having to give it permission. | 0:08:44 | 0:08:47 | |
Well, you can see their point, | 0:08:48 | 0:08:50 | |
so we took Paul and Jessica to meet telecoms expert Fevzi Turkalp, | 0:08:50 | 0:08:54 | |
to see if he can shed any light on what's going on. | 0:08:54 | 0:08:57 | |
Can you tell me why I was charged so much for just using social media | 0:08:57 | 0:09:01 | |
-on my phone? -So your phone was attached to | 0:09:01 | 0:09:04 | |
what's called a maritime network. | 0:09:04 | 0:09:06 | |
That will be an independent company that's been brought in to provide | 0:09:06 | 0:09:10 | |
that service on board ships and oil rigs and other things out at sea, | 0:09:10 | 0:09:13 | |
and those networks are not necessarily registered | 0:09:13 | 0:09:17 | |
in the European Union, and they charge accordingly. | 0:09:17 | 0:09:21 | |
The other thing to bear in mind is those networks often have to use | 0:09:21 | 0:09:24 | |
satellite technology for them to work, and satellite technology, | 0:09:24 | 0:09:27 | |
although it's cheaper than it used to be, is still expensive. | 0:09:27 | 0:09:30 | |
So there are some real costs. | 0:09:30 | 0:09:32 | |
But ultimately, it's your mobile phone provider which will decide | 0:09:32 | 0:09:35 | |
how much they'll charge you for that. | 0:09:35 | 0:09:37 | |
But with no standard amount for this sort of charge | 0:09:39 | 0:09:41 | |
and no cap on them either, it's very easy to see | 0:09:41 | 0:09:43 | |
how a ferry trip could leave you stuck with some hefty costs | 0:09:43 | 0:09:47 | |
you didn't expect, so Fevzi has some advice on | 0:09:47 | 0:09:50 | |
what the family could do next time. | 0:09:50 | 0:09:52 | |
There's certain things that you can do. | 0:09:52 | 0:09:54 | |
For example, you can go into your phone and, instead of letting it | 0:09:54 | 0:09:57 | |
select a network automatically and just latch onto whatever network | 0:09:57 | 0:10:01 | |
it finds, you can actually say, "No, I want this particular network," | 0:10:01 | 0:10:04 | |
but then you have to be sure that you know that that's a network | 0:10:04 | 0:10:08 | |
that's going to charge you normal rates, not maritime rates. | 0:10:08 | 0:10:12 | |
You can also switch off data roaming, | 0:10:12 | 0:10:14 | |
so that will stop you being charged for data on a foreign network, | 0:10:14 | 0:10:18 | |
be it a maritime network or any other network. | 0:10:18 | 0:10:21 | |
The problem with that is that the charging isn't only data. | 0:10:21 | 0:10:26 | |
If you receive a phone call, for example, | 0:10:26 | 0:10:28 | |
just receiving a phone call, that could cost you £1.50, £2, | 0:10:28 | 0:10:31 | |
without you having done anything. | 0:10:31 | 0:10:33 | |
So it is difficult, there are steps that you can take, | 0:10:33 | 0:10:36 | |
but the really belts and braces approach to this is to turn off. | 0:10:36 | 0:10:39 | |
I tell you what, if I go on a ferry, | 0:10:39 | 0:10:42 | |
I'll be following that last tip and switching my phone off. | 0:10:42 | 0:10:46 | |
But with around 20 million passengers making short sea trips | 0:10:46 | 0:10:49 | |
between the UK and Europe, clearly this is a problem likely to catch | 0:10:49 | 0:10:53 | |
many other people out as well. | 0:10:53 | 0:10:55 | |
As indeed it did Gareth Morgan. | 0:10:55 | 0:10:57 | |
He's a keen motorcyclist and often rides abroad, | 0:10:57 | 0:10:59 | |
and when planning a bike ride with his wife to Normandy, | 0:10:59 | 0:11:02 | |
he bought a phone contract from Vodafone | 0:11:02 | 0:11:05 | |
which had global data roaming included. | 0:11:05 | 0:11:07 | |
Global data roaming, to me, means when that when you're | 0:11:07 | 0:11:10 | |
roaming abroad and you want to use your phone to download data | 0:11:10 | 0:11:15 | |
or stream music or whatever you want to do, | 0:11:15 | 0:11:17 | |
you're not going to incur terrible surcharges for doing that. | 0:11:17 | 0:11:22 | |
So, when Gareth boarded the ferry to Normandy, | 0:11:22 | 0:11:25 | |
he thought nothing of using his phone as he normally would. | 0:11:25 | 0:11:28 | |
I kept my phone on most of the time during the ferry trip. | 0:11:28 | 0:11:32 | |
I was using my phone to find out a little bit more | 0:11:32 | 0:11:35 | |
about the Normandy landings. | 0:11:35 | 0:11:36 | |
I was doing my research before we got there, | 0:11:36 | 0:11:39 | |
confident in the knowledge that I wasn't going to be | 0:11:39 | 0:11:41 | |
paying a lot for roaming charges. | 0:11:41 | 0:11:43 | |
But, like Paul and Jessica, | 0:11:44 | 0:11:46 | |
Gareth didn't realise that, most of the time spent on the ferry, | 0:11:46 | 0:11:49 | |
he was connected to a maritime network, | 0:11:49 | 0:11:52 | |
which wasn't included in his data roaming package from Vodafone. | 0:11:52 | 0:11:56 | |
As a result, he, too, was in for a shock when he got his bill. | 0:11:56 | 0:11:59 | |
There was a surcharge there, which, when I looked at it in some detail, | 0:11:59 | 0:12:03 | |
was the use data download from the time that I was on the ferry, | 0:12:03 | 0:12:08 | |
and I'd been charged £12, | 0:12:08 | 0:12:10 | |
which, quite frankly, I was astounded, | 0:12:10 | 0:12:12 | |
given the fact that I'd supposedly got this global roaming contract. | 0:12:12 | 0:12:15 | |
So Gareth immediately contacted Vodafone. | 0:12:16 | 0:12:19 | |
They told me that it was a separate maritime agreement that they had | 0:12:19 | 0:12:22 | |
and said, "No, it doesn't cover costs on ferries, | 0:12:22 | 0:12:25 | |
"and as far as we're concerned, | 0:12:25 | 0:12:27 | |
"you're not in the UK and you're not in France," | 0:12:27 | 0:12:29 | |
which I thought was ludicrous. | 0:12:29 | 0:12:31 | |
Gareth kept insisting that the charge was just unfair, | 0:12:31 | 0:12:35 | |
and in the end, Vodafone agreed to give him a refund, | 0:12:35 | 0:12:38 | |
but he's been left very surprised by the whole experience. | 0:12:38 | 0:12:41 | |
I can say, boy, am I glad I didn't use my phone for a greater period, | 0:12:41 | 0:12:46 | |
because I would have really been angry had I gone back and found | 0:12:46 | 0:12:50 | |
maybe a three figure sum I'd been billed for on my bill, | 0:12:50 | 0:12:53 | |
and it would have been very easy to notch up three figures | 0:12:53 | 0:12:56 | |
in addition to my contract price. | 0:12:56 | 0:12:58 | |
Well, when we put all of this to Vodafone, it told us it understands | 0:12:58 | 0:13:03 | |
that maritime charging is confusing for customers, | 0:13:03 | 0:13:06 | |
but that, as the ships involved use their own satellite networks, | 0:13:06 | 0:13:09 | |
it has no control over the charges. | 0:13:09 | 0:13:12 | |
However, it says that, | 0:13:12 | 0:13:14 | |
to protect customers from unexpectedly high costs, | 0:13:14 | 0:13:16 | |
it has now decided to bar data usage in such circumstances altogether. | 0:13:16 | 0:13:22 | |
So, while making calls and sending texts on ferries | 0:13:22 | 0:13:25 | |
will still be charged at maritime roaming rates, and it will | 0:13:25 | 0:13:28 | |
be making its text notifications about that much clearer, | 0:13:28 | 0:13:32 | |
from February 2018, data roaming at sea | 0:13:32 | 0:13:35 | |
won't be possible for Vodafone customers. | 0:13:35 | 0:13:38 | |
And it reiterated that, as a gesture of goodwill, it has refunded | 0:13:38 | 0:13:42 | |
the charges that both Gareth and Paul incurred. | 0:13:42 | 0:13:46 | |
Meanwhile, Three, Paul's daughter Jessica's network, | 0:13:46 | 0:13:50 | |
also told us that it's reviewing the wording of the text messages | 0:13:50 | 0:13:54 | |
it sends to customers on this, | 0:13:54 | 0:13:56 | |
to ensure that any extra costs are made clear. | 0:13:56 | 0:13:59 | |
It too has been in touch with the family | 0:13:59 | 0:14:01 | |
to offer a gesture of goodwill. | 0:14:01 | 0:14:03 | |
But if you're travelling by ferry any time soon, | 0:14:05 | 0:14:07 | |
you might want to do what Paul and Jessica will be doing next time - | 0:14:07 | 0:14:11 | |
turning their phones off and enjoying the view instead. | 0:14:11 | 0:14:14 | |
We're going to tell the rest of the family, "Make sure the phones are | 0:14:14 | 0:14:17 | |
"turned off before we even approach the port | 0:14:17 | 0:14:19 | |
"and save any of these bill shocks." | 0:14:19 | 0:14:21 | |
Receiving a letter that's stamped with a foreign postmark | 0:14:27 | 0:14:30 | |
can mean exciting news from friends and family abroad. | 0:14:30 | 0:14:33 | |
But, you know, for some people that we've heard from, | 0:14:33 | 0:14:36 | |
it's meant something far less positive. | 0:14:36 | 0:14:38 | |
Long after they've returned to normality after a nice, | 0:14:38 | 0:14:41 | |
relaxing holiday, they've received a summons, | 0:14:41 | 0:14:44 | |
ordering them to appear at a hearing in a European court, | 0:14:44 | 0:14:47 | |
leaving them completely unsure about what to do next. | 0:14:47 | 0:14:51 | |
After all, it's not always easy navigating our own legal system, | 0:14:51 | 0:14:54 | |
so making sense of one in a different country, | 0:14:54 | 0:14:57 | |
with all of the language barriers that that entails, | 0:14:57 | 0:15:00 | |
is another thing altogether. | 0:15:00 | 0:15:02 | |
So what should you do if you find yourself | 0:15:02 | 0:15:04 | |
having to deal with the authorities abroad? | 0:15:04 | 0:15:06 | |
Perhaps you've been accused of a driving offence | 0:15:06 | 0:15:09 | |
and don't know how to respond. | 0:15:09 | 0:15:10 | |
Do you agree to whatever it is they're asking you to do, | 0:15:10 | 0:15:13 | |
or do you end up worrying that you just might face worse consequences | 0:15:13 | 0:15:18 | |
if you don't? | 0:15:18 | 0:15:19 | |
Holidays should be all about rest, relaxation | 0:15:22 | 0:15:25 | |
and leaving your troubles behind, | 0:15:25 | 0:15:27 | |
and coming back with a clutch of good memories | 0:15:27 | 0:15:30 | |
to see you through to your next trip. | 0:15:30 | 0:15:32 | |
But in 2015, a trip that Annie Hicks | 0:15:35 | 0:15:37 | |
from Weston-Super-Mare took to Benidorm has stuck in her mind | 0:15:37 | 0:15:41 | |
for some rather less positive reasons. | 0:15:41 | 0:15:43 | |
She'd just arrived at her resort when, on the short walk | 0:15:43 | 0:15:47 | |
from the airport bus to the hotel, disaster struck. | 0:15:47 | 0:15:51 | |
She was pickpocketed. | 0:15:51 | 0:15:52 | |
Both her and her husband's passports were stolen, | 0:15:52 | 0:15:55 | |
along with around £1,000 in cash - their entire spending money! | 0:15:55 | 0:16:00 | |
As you could imagine, I felt thoroughly sick and worried. | 0:16:00 | 0:16:03 | |
The thought of no passports, no money, | 0:16:03 | 0:16:06 | |
had never happened to me before, or my husband, so the shock was awful. | 0:16:06 | 0:16:12 | |
Instead of relaxing, | 0:16:14 | 0:16:15 | |
Annie spent the first couple of days of her trip reporting the crime | 0:16:15 | 0:16:18 | |
to the local police and getting replacement passports. | 0:16:18 | 0:16:21 | |
And when she returned home nine days later, | 0:16:23 | 0:16:25 | |
she wanted nothing more than to put the whole matter behind her. | 0:16:25 | 0:16:28 | |
And, indeed, for two years, that was mostly the case. | 0:16:29 | 0:16:32 | |
But then, in January 2017, | 0:16:32 | 0:16:34 | |
she received a letter with a Spanish postmark. | 0:16:34 | 0:16:38 | |
When I opened it up, | 0:16:38 | 0:16:40 | |
there was an A4 piece of paper with very little on, | 0:16:40 | 0:16:44 | |
except to say, "Court case in Benidorm on the 29th of March." | 0:16:44 | 0:16:51 | |
I'm told that I have to appear - if I don't, there could be a fine. | 0:16:51 | 0:16:57 | |
Unsure what the letter meant, Annie contacted the British Consulate, | 0:16:58 | 0:17:02 | |
who were able to confirm that she had been sent an official summons, | 0:17:02 | 0:17:06 | |
asking her to be a witness to the crime that she'd fallen victim to | 0:17:06 | 0:17:10 | |
all that time ago. | 0:17:10 | 0:17:11 | |
The feel of, "Oh, dear, here we go again," | 0:17:11 | 0:17:14 | |
all back to Spain and the robbery and everything, | 0:17:14 | 0:17:19 | |
which we'd left behind for two years, was just a horrible feeling. | 0:17:19 | 0:17:22 | |
But going back to Benidorm for the case would cost hundreds of pounds, | 0:17:24 | 0:17:28 | |
and with no guarantee of how long she'd need to stay out there, | 0:17:28 | 0:17:32 | |
and little understanding of either the language | 0:17:32 | 0:17:34 | |
or the Spanish court system, | 0:17:34 | 0:17:36 | |
Annie was reluctant to have to attend. | 0:17:36 | 0:17:38 | |
So, with the help of a lawyer in Spain, | 0:17:38 | 0:17:41 | |
she wrote to the court, asking if it was really necessary. | 0:17:41 | 0:17:44 | |
If I'd have turned up to the courts in Benidorm, | 0:17:45 | 0:17:49 | |
which I'd be a useless witness, | 0:17:49 | 0:17:52 | |
because I didn't see or feel the thieves rob me, | 0:17:52 | 0:17:57 | |
and also my lack of Spanish, | 0:17:57 | 0:18:01 | |
I didn't know if they could turn things around and say something that | 0:18:01 | 0:18:06 | |
I hadn't said with the language, | 0:18:06 | 0:18:08 | |
and I wouldn't know any difference. | 0:18:08 | 0:18:11 | |
Annie hoped contacting the court would result in her being told | 0:18:13 | 0:18:17 | |
that it wasn't necessary for her to attend after all. | 0:18:17 | 0:18:20 | |
And, while she heard nothing back, | 0:18:20 | 0:18:22 | |
when the date she was expected out there came and went, | 0:18:22 | 0:18:25 | |
she assumed all was resolved. | 0:18:25 | 0:18:27 | |
Until a week later, | 0:18:27 | 0:18:29 | |
when she received another official-looking letter from Spain. | 0:18:29 | 0:18:33 | |
It stated that the original court date had been postponed | 0:18:33 | 0:18:37 | |
and a new one had been set aside. | 0:18:37 | 0:18:39 | |
Annie's heart sank. | 0:18:39 | 0:18:41 | |
When we got the second telegram and found it had been postponed, | 0:18:41 | 0:18:45 | |
if we'd have spent money on flights, accommodation... | 0:18:45 | 0:18:49 | |
..an open ticket, because of not knowing how long we were going to be | 0:18:51 | 0:18:54 | |
in Benidorm, would have cost us an awful lot of money. | 0:18:54 | 0:18:56 | |
But it was clear that Annie was expected to attend the new date, | 0:18:56 | 0:19:01 | |
and there was once again a warning | 0:19:01 | 0:19:03 | |
that if she didn't, she'd face a fine, | 0:19:03 | 0:19:06 | |
although there was no clue as to how much that might be. | 0:19:06 | 0:19:09 | |
Five euros? Ten euros? 10,000 euros? | 0:19:09 | 0:19:12 | |
How much do you charge somebody for non-appearance at a court? | 0:19:14 | 0:19:18 | |
You just don't know. | 0:19:18 | 0:19:20 | |
The only way out she could see was to pay for more legal advice, | 0:19:20 | 0:19:24 | |
this time with a UK lawyer, | 0:19:24 | 0:19:26 | |
to negotiate her release from the Spanish court system entirely. | 0:19:26 | 0:19:30 | |
Annie, who'd been the victim of a crime, | 0:19:30 | 0:19:32 | |
now felt she was being treated like the perpetrator. | 0:19:32 | 0:19:35 | |
We basically feel as though we've been robbed twice, | 0:19:35 | 0:19:40 | |
but I think that this has been, | 0:19:40 | 0:19:43 | |
the court case has been far more stressful than the actual robbery. | 0:19:43 | 0:19:47 | |
Eventually, Annie was able to get out of the Spanish court system, | 0:19:48 | 0:19:52 | |
but after all the hassle, | 0:19:52 | 0:19:53 | |
she's even questioned whether she'd have been better | 0:19:53 | 0:19:56 | |
not reporting the crime in the first place. | 0:19:56 | 0:19:59 | |
Well, we've heard from others who've also had their holiday memories | 0:19:59 | 0:20:02 | |
soured by unexpected pressure from a foreign legal system. | 0:20:02 | 0:20:06 | |
Deb and Martin Lennon from Cardiff have been going | 0:20:09 | 0:20:12 | |
to tranquil Lake Bolsena in northern Italy since 2003. | 0:20:12 | 0:20:16 | |
Every year, they hire a car from Rome Airport and drive the 88 miles | 0:20:16 | 0:20:20 | |
to their favourite resort, | 0:20:20 | 0:20:22 | |
and a trip in 2016 followed the usual relaxing pattern - | 0:20:22 | 0:20:26 | |
cycling, walking and the occasional drive to the local shops and back. | 0:20:26 | 0:20:30 | |
But a couple of months after they arrived back home, | 0:20:32 | 0:20:34 | |
they received an invoice from their hire car company, Europcar, | 0:20:34 | 0:20:38 | |
demanding 45 euros. | 0:20:38 | 0:20:40 | |
The fee was for supplying their details to the Italian authorities, | 0:20:40 | 0:20:44 | |
who wanted the couple's information, as they'd apparently been caught | 0:20:44 | 0:20:47 | |
speeding in Padua, near Venice, | 0:20:47 | 0:20:50 | |
some 450 miles away from where they were staying - | 0:20:50 | 0:20:53 | |
an offence for which they faced a fine of 194 euros. | 0:20:53 | 0:20:57 | |
"Ooh, hang on a second, we haven't been there." | 0:20:57 | 0:21:00 | |
Because, you know, if we had been speeding, | 0:21:00 | 0:21:04 | |
we'd have put our hands up and said "Oh, God," you know, | 0:21:04 | 0:21:07 | |
"that's something we've done," and we'd have paid the fine for it. | 0:21:07 | 0:21:12 | |
But it very, very quickly became obvious to us | 0:21:12 | 0:21:15 | |
that it couldn't have been us. | 0:21:15 | 0:21:18 | |
To have committed the offence, | 0:21:19 | 0:21:21 | |
the couple would have had to drive around 900 miles from either | 0:21:21 | 0:21:25 | |
the airport or their holiday home, but as Europcar's own records show, | 0:21:25 | 0:21:29 | |
Deb and Martin's hire car had only travelled 363 miles | 0:21:29 | 0:21:33 | |
during their entire holiday. | 0:21:33 | 0:21:35 | |
Convinced they could prove it wasn't them that had committed the offence, | 0:21:35 | 0:21:39 | |
Deb sought help from the Italian Consulate in Cardiff, | 0:21:39 | 0:21:42 | |
but it was less sure. | 0:21:42 | 0:21:45 | |
His attitude seemed to be, was that we could fight it, | 0:21:45 | 0:21:49 | |
but at the end of the day it's probably going to be easier just to | 0:21:49 | 0:21:53 | |
pay the fine. The impression that I got from him was that | 0:21:53 | 0:21:57 | |
that was the system, that it was very, very difficult to fight, | 0:21:57 | 0:22:02 | |
you know, fight these cases. | 0:22:02 | 0:22:04 | |
Deb and Martin demanded to see the picture taken by the speed camera, | 0:22:04 | 0:22:09 | |
in a bid to prove their innocence, | 0:22:09 | 0:22:11 | |
but that led to another surprise. | 0:22:11 | 0:22:13 | |
When we had the e-mail back from Italy, showing us the offence, | 0:22:13 | 0:22:17 | |
we were rather shocked to see that it was exactly the same car. | 0:22:17 | 0:22:21 | |
It wasn't a great picture of the offence, | 0:22:21 | 0:22:24 | |
but the number plate looked the same. | 0:22:24 | 0:22:27 | |
And when the picture came through and it was identical to our car, | 0:22:27 | 0:22:30 | |
it was...it was really, really shocking. | 0:22:30 | 0:22:33 | |
It was the same colour, it had the same wheel trims, | 0:22:33 | 0:22:36 | |
it had the same... even the same mirrors. | 0:22:36 | 0:22:39 | |
The only thing that we could think of was that there was a fawn jacket | 0:22:39 | 0:22:43 | |
on the back-seat, and neither of us owned a fawn jacket. | 0:22:43 | 0:22:47 | |
Though confident the mileage point alone proved their case, | 0:22:48 | 0:22:52 | |
Martin and Deb knew that explaining away that photo wasn't going to be | 0:22:52 | 0:22:56 | |
simple, which left them in a difficult situation. | 0:22:56 | 0:22:59 | |
Should they pay the 194 euro fine, or fight it, | 0:22:59 | 0:23:03 | |
which risked a further heavier fine of over 1,000 euros? | 0:23:03 | 0:23:07 | |
With the deadline of the 60 days, you know, we just decided, "Well, | 0:23:07 | 0:23:11 | |
"we've got to bite the bullet, we've got to pay it, put it to one side." | 0:23:11 | 0:23:16 | |
And that's what we did, ultimately, was, you know, | 0:23:16 | 0:23:20 | |
we paid it and then just hoped that that was the end of it. | 0:23:20 | 0:23:24 | |
But paying a fee of nearly 200 euros to cover someone else's crime | 0:23:26 | 0:23:30 | |
has left Deb and Martin hugely frustrated. | 0:23:30 | 0:23:33 | |
The hardest part of, you know, this whole affair is the fact that, | 0:23:33 | 0:23:38 | |
knowing that we didn't do it, | 0:23:38 | 0:23:41 | |
we didn't speed up in Padua, | 0:23:41 | 0:23:44 | |
we'd never been there, we haven't driven up there, | 0:23:44 | 0:23:48 | |
and there was no way of actually proving that. | 0:23:48 | 0:23:51 | |
Well, when we contacted Europcar, | 0:23:53 | 0:23:55 | |
the company told us it's sorry that Deb and Martin feel it didn't assist | 0:23:55 | 0:23:59 | |
them on this matter, pointing out it did advise them to contact | 0:23:59 | 0:24:02 | |
the Italian authorities directly to dispute the fine. | 0:24:02 | 0:24:06 | |
It says, owing to the length of time since the rental, | 0:24:06 | 0:24:09 | |
it's unable to take up the case on the couple's behalf, but it has | 0:24:09 | 0:24:12 | |
sent them the e-mail address for the Venice Police Department, | 0:24:12 | 0:24:16 | |
so that they can send on their evidence if they wish to continue | 0:24:16 | 0:24:19 | |
disputing this fine, which Martin and Deb say they do plan to do. | 0:24:19 | 0:24:23 | |
When you feel as if you're paying for something which is not | 0:24:24 | 0:24:28 | |
your fault, you didn't commit, and somebody else is at it, | 0:24:28 | 0:24:32 | |
then you just feel it's wrong. | 0:24:32 | 0:24:34 | |
And it really does, you know, it does, it does really get you, | 0:24:34 | 0:24:38 | |
but we just didn't feel like we had any choice. | 0:24:38 | 0:24:40 | |
If you find yourself hit with any sort of summons or fine from abroad, | 0:24:42 | 0:24:46 | |
solicitor Gabriele Giambrone says | 0:24:46 | 0:24:49 | |
the one thing you should never do is ignore it. | 0:24:49 | 0:24:52 | |
There is a very strong possibility that any fine or any issue | 0:24:52 | 0:24:55 | |
that people are facing overseas will come back and haunt you in the UK, | 0:24:55 | 0:24:59 | |
and when you're dealing with it, | 0:24:59 | 0:25:01 | |
the consequences and the cost will be probably ten times higher. | 0:25:01 | 0:25:04 | |
Gabriele suggests, as Deb and Martin have been doing, | 0:25:05 | 0:25:09 | |
you should gather as much evidence as possible and seek legal advice | 0:25:09 | 0:25:12 | |
from a specialist as soon as you can. | 0:25:12 | 0:25:15 | |
In the first instance, you should be able to get help | 0:25:15 | 0:25:18 | |
from the local consulate for free, | 0:25:18 | 0:25:20 | |
and if it looks like getting legal advice may rack up extra costs, | 0:25:20 | 0:25:24 | |
he points to an element of many insurance policies that's very often | 0:25:24 | 0:25:28 | |
-forgotten. -We sometimes tend to remind clients that they may have | 0:25:28 | 0:25:32 | |
legal expenses insurance in their home insurance policy, | 0:25:32 | 0:25:36 | |
and most people don't seem to be aware about it. | 0:25:36 | 0:25:39 | |
More importantly, do not get defeated easily. | 0:25:39 | 0:25:42 | |
If you think you're in the right and something wrong has happened | 0:25:42 | 0:25:45 | |
overseas, do not be put off by the idea | 0:25:45 | 0:25:47 | |
that you're in a foreign country, | 0:25:47 | 0:25:49 | |
because ultimately there are solutions out there. | 0:25:49 | 0:25:53 | |
Well, despite the difficulties our holiday-makers faced whilst trying | 0:25:54 | 0:25:58 | |
to navigate foreign laws, | 0:25:58 | 0:26:00 | |
I'm pleased to say they've not been put off further travels, | 0:26:00 | 0:26:03 | |
and Annie would still report a crime should she need to, | 0:26:03 | 0:26:06 | |
even after all the stress that doing so has caused. | 0:26:06 | 0:26:10 | |
I think I would report it again, | 0:26:10 | 0:26:13 | |
although if I hadn't have done, we wouldn't have had all the stress, | 0:26:13 | 0:26:18 | |
but if people don't, | 0:26:18 | 0:26:21 | |
the criminals are going to get away with carrying on and doing this. | 0:26:21 | 0:26:26 | |
And for Deb and Martin, | 0:26:27 | 0:26:29 | |
the mysterious speeding fine wasn't enough | 0:26:29 | 0:26:31 | |
to put them off returning to Italy, | 0:26:31 | 0:26:33 | |
but they found a way to avoid surprises. | 0:26:33 | 0:26:36 | |
Let's get cracking! | 0:26:36 | 0:26:37 | |
We made a decision, instead of hiring a car, | 0:26:38 | 0:26:41 | |
we'd drive the 2,500 miles instead, | 0:26:41 | 0:26:45 | |
so it was kind of a holiday within a holiday. | 0:26:45 | 0:26:47 | |
Still to come on Rip-Off Britain... | 0:26:54 | 0:26:56 | |
How disputed damage to hire cars | 0:26:56 | 0:26:58 | |
could leave you with a serious dent... | 0:26:58 | 0:27:01 | |
in your wallet. | 0:27:01 | 0:27:03 | |
We had to pay way well over 1,200 euros, and, of course, | 0:27:03 | 0:27:07 | |
that was coming out of our savings. | 0:27:07 | 0:27:09 | |
Our travel expert Simon Calder is full of tips | 0:27:14 | 0:27:17 | |
to save you money on your travels. | 0:27:17 | 0:27:19 | |
He's got lots of ideas on everything from how to avoid the crowds, | 0:27:19 | 0:27:22 | |
to the best way to steer clear of those tourist traps. | 0:27:22 | 0:27:25 | |
This time, it's a top choice for a city break - Hamburg. | 0:27:26 | 0:27:30 | |
It's the largest city in the European Union | 0:27:32 | 0:27:34 | |
which isn't a capital. | 0:27:34 | 0:27:35 | |
Thanks to the spread of cheap flights, | 0:27:35 | 0:27:38 | |
Hamburg is easy to get to from eight UK airports, and once you arrive, | 0:27:38 | 0:27:42 | |
you'll find the city is just as simple to get around. | 0:27:42 | 0:27:46 | |
Go wherever you please with the 9-Uhr-Tageskarte, | 0:27:46 | 0:27:51 | |
the 9am day ticket, | 0:27:51 | 0:27:53 | |
which, guess what, is valid every working day from 9am, | 0:27:53 | 0:27:57 | |
and at any time at weekends. | 0:27:57 | 0:27:59 | |
Hamburg has some of the finest public transport systems anywhere, | 0:28:01 | 0:28:05 | |
and access to all areas comes at bargain prices. | 0:28:05 | 0:28:08 | |
Under seven euros covers an adult and up to three children, | 0:28:09 | 0:28:13 | |
and for just 12 euros, | 0:28:13 | 0:28:16 | |
up to five adults can travel together on the underground U-Bahn, | 0:28:16 | 0:28:20 | |
the overground S-Bahn, the buses and the fabulous ferry system. | 0:28:20 | 0:28:24 | |
Big network, small prices! | 0:28:24 | 0:28:26 | |
Well, given that the city has more canals | 0:28:28 | 0:28:30 | |
than Amsterdam and Venice combined, | 0:28:30 | 0:28:32 | |
it's a good job the ferry network is as fabulous as Simon says it is. | 0:28:32 | 0:28:36 | |
Stopping off at one of the city's museums | 0:28:36 | 0:28:38 | |
should be top of any tourist's to-do list | 0:28:38 | 0:28:41 | |
and one of Simon's favourites | 0:28:41 | 0:28:43 | |
is the beautifully restored Hamburger Kunsthalle, | 0:28:43 | 0:28:46 | |
taking you on a journey through the history of Western art, | 0:28:46 | 0:28:49 | |
but the price can vary, | 0:28:49 | 0:28:50 | |
so make sure you know when it's the cheapest time to go. | 0:28:50 | 0:28:54 | |
At weekends, the cost of admission is a couple of euros higher, | 0:28:54 | 0:28:57 | |
but come along on a Thursday evening, when it's open till 9, | 0:28:57 | 0:29:01 | |
and you'll get in for almost half price. | 0:29:01 | 0:29:03 | |
If that's still too much, well, | 0:29:03 | 0:29:05 | |
you can wander through the very elegant foyer and library for free. | 0:29:05 | 0:29:09 | |
For something more theatrical, visit the Elbphilharmonie Concert Hall, | 0:29:10 | 0:29:14 | |
a shrine to the Germans' love of music. | 0:29:14 | 0:29:17 | |
It may have cost a packet and been seven years behind schedule, | 0:29:17 | 0:29:20 | |
but the building is a powerful addition to the city's skyline | 0:29:20 | 0:29:23 | |
and Simon recommends taking a one-hour backstage tour. | 0:29:23 | 0:29:27 | |
Book in advance for an English-language exploration | 0:29:27 | 0:29:31 | |
of the world's most modern concert venue. | 0:29:31 | 0:29:34 | |
The organisers warn, though, | 0:29:34 | 0:29:35 | |
that the tour is physically demanding | 0:29:35 | 0:29:37 | |
because of the number of steps involved. | 0:29:37 | 0:29:40 | |
Accessible guided tours are available, but only in German! | 0:29:40 | 0:29:44 | |
One of the biggest holiday bugbears you contact us about | 0:29:49 | 0:29:51 | |
is the cost of using a hire-car company abroad. | 0:29:51 | 0:29:55 | |
Our inbox is positively bulging | 0:29:55 | 0:29:57 | |
with complaints about unnecessary charges, | 0:29:57 | 0:30:00 | |
either when you pick your vehicle up or when you return it, | 0:30:00 | 0:30:03 | |
and it's some of those that are perhaps | 0:30:03 | 0:30:05 | |
the most difficult to challenge, | 0:30:05 | 0:30:06 | |
especially if the first you hear of it | 0:30:06 | 0:30:09 | |
is when you've returned home and suddenly find an unexpected charge | 0:30:09 | 0:30:12 | |
on your credit card bill for damage you're certain you didn't cause. | 0:30:12 | 0:30:15 | |
Hiring a car whilst abroad gives you flexibility and freedom | 0:30:17 | 0:30:21 | |
and can really make a big difference to your holiday. | 0:30:21 | 0:30:24 | |
You can explore whenever you want, | 0:30:24 | 0:30:26 | |
and you're not reliant on anyone else to get about. | 0:30:26 | 0:30:28 | |
And it's for all these reasons | 0:30:30 | 0:30:32 | |
that retired vicar Neil Rob likes to book a hire car on his holidays. | 0:30:32 | 0:30:36 | |
We go to Malta every year for two to three, sometimes four weeks. | 0:30:36 | 0:30:40 | |
Where we stay is away from the main part of the island | 0:30:42 | 0:30:46 | |
and the bus service is not particularly good... | 0:30:46 | 0:30:50 | |
..so the car gives you... | 0:30:51 | 0:30:52 | |
..flexibility. | 0:30:53 | 0:30:55 | |
Neil and his wife Marlene's most recent trip to Malta | 0:30:55 | 0:30:58 | |
was in May 2017, and, as he's done countless times before, | 0:30:58 | 0:31:03 | |
Neil used an online comparison site to find his hire car. | 0:31:03 | 0:31:07 | |
On this occasion, opting for a company he hadn't used before, | 0:31:07 | 0:31:10 | |
but which seemed to offer a good deal. | 0:31:10 | 0:31:13 | |
The star rating that was given on the site | 0:31:13 | 0:31:16 | |
seemed to be as good as any other, | 0:31:16 | 0:31:19 | |
and it was a relatively good rate, so... | 0:31:19 | 0:31:23 | |
..not wanting to spend too much... | 0:31:24 | 0:31:26 | |
..being a Scotsman, I went for Goldcar. | 0:31:27 | 0:31:30 | |
Neil paid just over £185 for three weeks' rental, | 0:31:30 | 0:31:35 | |
and for extra peace of mind, | 0:31:35 | 0:31:37 | |
as he'd done on previous trips, | 0:31:37 | 0:31:38 | |
he took out an extra insurance policy costing nearly £170, | 0:31:38 | 0:31:43 | |
which meant that if he had an accident, | 0:31:43 | 0:31:45 | |
he wouldn't face a big bill for repairs | 0:31:45 | 0:31:48 | |
or need to pay any excess towards the damages. | 0:31:48 | 0:31:51 | |
Having done that, you had the feeling that, well, | 0:31:51 | 0:31:56 | |
that was covered, | 0:31:56 | 0:31:57 | |
um, no worries, you're going to have a good holiday, | 0:31:57 | 0:32:02 | |
a reasonable car to get around in and there was no problems with it. | 0:32:02 | 0:32:08 | |
So, it came as a shock when Neil and his wife got to the rental desk | 0:32:09 | 0:32:13 | |
at the airport only to be told that as far as Goldcar was concerned, | 0:32:13 | 0:32:17 | |
that extra insurance he'd bought wasn't enough. | 0:32:17 | 0:32:19 | |
She asked me for the car insurance and I said, | 0:32:20 | 0:32:24 | |
"I've got full insurance cover." | 0:32:24 | 0:32:26 | |
She said, but that's not our insurance, | 0:32:26 | 0:32:29 | |
you need to have our insurance. | 0:32:29 | 0:32:31 | |
I said, "No, I've got full cover for the three weeks | 0:32:31 | 0:32:35 | |
"that I've got the car." | 0:32:35 | 0:32:37 | |
And she said, "No." | 0:32:37 | 0:32:38 | |
I said, "Well, I'm not taking out another insurance cover, | 0:32:38 | 0:32:41 | |
"I've already paid." | 0:32:41 | 0:32:43 | |
But Goldcar insisted | 0:32:43 | 0:32:44 | |
that Neil needed to buy its own insurance policy | 0:32:44 | 0:32:47 | |
and if he didn't, a 1,350-euro deposit | 0:32:47 | 0:32:49 | |
would be held on his credit card | 0:32:49 | 0:32:52 | |
until he returned the vehicle undamaged. | 0:32:52 | 0:32:54 | |
What do you do? | 0:32:55 | 0:32:56 | |
You can't, at that point, really turn round and say, "Well, no." | 0:32:56 | 0:33:00 | |
Because they've got part of your money and... | 0:33:00 | 0:33:04 | |
..you want to get on with your holiday. | 0:33:05 | 0:33:07 | |
Worried about being charged for any damage he hadn't caused, | 0:33:08 | 0:33:11 | |
Neil took special care to check over the car before driving off. | 0:33:11 | 0:33:15 | |
When I got into the car, I wasn't impressed | 0:33:15 | 0:33:18 | |
by the state of the interior of the car. | 0:33:18 | 0:33:20 | |
It could have done with a good clean, | 0:33:20 | 0:33:23 | |
particularly the seats. | 0:33:23 | 0:33:25 | |
Neil says that from the off, | 0:33:25 | 0:33:27 | |
there was also a mysterious knocking sound on the driver's side, | 0:33:27 | 0:33:30 | |
and when that got worse over the next few days, | 0:33:30 | 0:33:32 | |
Neil contacted Goldcar in case it was something serious. | 0:33:32 | 0:33:36 | |
Later that day, two men arrived to assess the car, | 0:33:36 | 0:33:38 | |
and after a drive around the block, | 0:33:38 | 0:33:40 | |
confirmed that there was a problem with the clutch. | 0:33:40 | 0:33:42 | |
They took the faulty car away and returned with a replacement vehicle, | 0:33:42 | 0:33:46 | |
plus - to Neil's astonishment - | 0:33:46 | 0:33:48 | |
a bill for a new clutch to the tune of just over 1,250 euros. | 0:33:48 | 0:33:53 | |
I refused to pay, and I was told I had to pay it, | 0:33:54 | 0:33:59 | |
so we had a bit of a confrontation and I asked to speak to his manager. | 0:33:59 | 0:34:04 | |
He phoned his manager and his manager said that I had to... | 0:34:05 | 0:34:09 | |
..pay this. | 0:34:10 | 0:34:12 | |
Neil refused to accept that the damage to the original car | 0:34:12 | 0:34:14 | |
was his fault, but he says Goldcar insisted | 0:34:14 | 0:34:17 | |
that unless he paid the 1,250 euros, | 0:34:17 | 0:34:19 | |
he wouldn't be able to have either the new replacement vehicle | 0:34:19 | 0:34:22 | |
or keep the old one. So, left with very little choice, | 0:34:22 | 0:34:25 | |
Neil reluctantly paid the bill for the clutch on his credit card - | 0:34:25 | 0:34:29 | |
money that he now plans to claim back | 0:34:29 | 0:34:31 | |
through the insurance policy that he bought in the first instance. | 0:34:31 | 0:34:35 | |
We had to pay well over 1,200 euros, and, of course, | 0:34:35 | 0:34:40 | |
that was coming out of our savings... | 0:34:40 | 0:34:42 | |
..which are not limitless, as pensioners. | 0:34:44 | 0:34:47 | |
Stories such as Neil's are worryingly familiar | 0:34:48 | 0:34:51 | |
to financial expert James Daley, | 0:34:51 | 0:34:53 | |
who's sceptical about the ways some hire-car companies operate. | 0:34:53 | 0:34:57 | |
There's no good reason why car-hire companies should be implementing | 0:34:57 | 0:35:01 | |
excesses of as high as £1,000 every time a customer rents a car. | 0:35:01 | 0:35:06 | |
None of us have that kind of excess | 0:35:06 | 0:35:07 | |
on a standard personal car insurance policy, | 0:35:07 | 0:35:10 | |
and I can't see any good reason why a car-hire company | 0:35:10 | 0:35:13 | |
would impose those levels on their customers either. | 0:35:13 | 0:35:15 | |
I think, perhaps, the more likely reason | 0:35:15 | 0:35:17 | |
is that it gives them a chance to sell this expensive excess insurance | 0:35:17 | 0:35:22 | |
on top of the regular car hire. | 0:35:22 | 0:35:24 | |
Despite what happened in Neil's case, | 0:35:26 | 0:35:28 | |
James says it is a good idea to buy in advance | 0:35:28 | 0:35:30 | |
the sort of insurance policy that he did, | 0:35:30 | 0:35:32 | |
reducing expensive excesses to zero in the event of any damage, | 0:35:32 | 0:35:36 | |
but it's worth shopping around for the best price. | 0:35:36 | 0:35:39 | |
There are lots of good independent insurance companies | 0:35:40 | 0:35:43 | |
that you can buy from, | 0:35:43 | 0:35:45 | |
and there are even car-hire insurance excess comparison sites | 0:35:45 | 0:35:48 | |
that will help you compare the best policy. | 0:35:48 | 0:35:51 | |
If you buy it from an independent third party, | 0:35:51 | 0:35:53 | |
it is often only a few pounds for your entire trip, | 0:35:53 | 0:35:56 | |
or a few tens of pounds for the entire year if you go away regularly. | 0:35:56 | 0:36:00 | |
But here at Rip-Off Britain, | 0:36:01 | 0:36:02 | |
we regularly hear from people | 0:36:02 | 0:36:04 | |
who've been hit with unexpected difficulties | 0:36:04 | 0:36:06 | |
after hiring a car abroad, | 0:36:06 | 0:36:08 | |
and among all the complaints we receive, | 0:36:08 | 0:36:10 | |
one name crops up more than most, | 0:36:10 | 0:36:12 | |
and that's the company Neil hired from, Goldcar. | 0:36:12 | 0:36:16 | |
With bases in over 90 tourist spots in Europe, and rising, | 0:36:16 | 0:36:20 | |
it's bound to get some unhappy customers now and again, | 0:36:20 | 0:36:23 | |
but from what you've been telling us, | 0:36:23 | 0:36:25 | |
among the complaints that keep cropping up - | 0:36:25 | 0:36:27 | |
extra charges for insurance that you neither wanted nor asked for, | 0:36:27 | 0:36:31 | |
and surprise amounts on your credit cards when you get home. | 0:36:31 | 0:36:34 | |
Bill Horner from Sheffield says that despite telling Goldcar | 0:36:36 | 0:36:39 | |
he didn't need its insurance, he was charged for it anyway. | 0:36:39 | 0:36:43 | |
When I was back in the United Kingdom, | 0:36:44 | 0:36:46 | |
I looked at my credit card statement and found, to my horror, | 0:36:46 | 0:36:52 | |
that they'd taken out 148.72 euros | 0:36:52 | 0:36:58 | |
as extra insurance. | 0:36:58 | 0:37:01 | |
I just want car-hire companies to be upfront with me. | 0:37:01 | 0:37:04 | |
That's the whole point of your contract with them, | 0:37:04 | 0:37:08 | |
that they tell you exactly what you are paying for. | 0:37:08 | 0:37:11 | |
Well, we wanted to see for ourselves just how Goldcar operate, | 0:37:13 | 0:37:17 | |
so we hired a car for three days | 0:37:17 | 0:37:20 | |
from Goldcar's branch at Palma Airport. | 0:37:20 | 0:37:22 | |
To be on the safe side, | 0:37:22 | 0:37:24 | |
we'd purchased in advance our own insurance policy for £11.96 | 0:37:24 | 0:37:28 | |
to cover any excess we might be hit with in the event of damage, | 0:37:28 | 0:37:32 | |
but mirroring the experience of Neil, | 0:37:32 | 0:37:34 | |
and indeed some of the other complaints you've sent, | 0:37:34 | 0:37:37 | |
despite making it clear that we had this policy, | 0:37:37 | 0:37:40 | |
Goldcar said as per its T&Cs, | 0:37:40 | 0:37:42 | |
we would either have to purchase one of its policies, | 0:37:42 | 0:37:45 | |
costing nearly 85 euros, | 0:37:45 | 0:37:47 | |
or a deposit of 1,100 euros would be held on our card | 0:37:47 | 0:37:51 | |
until we returned the car undamaged. | 0:37:51 | 0:37:54 | |
And though that's not illegal, | 0:37:54 | 0:37:56 | |
and nor is it a practice confined to just one hire-car company, | 0:37:56 | 0:37:59 | |
James Daley says it can leave customers not just confused, | 0:37:59 | 0:38:03 | |
but potentially disadvantaged. | 0:38:03 | 0:38:04 | |
So some car hire companies will insist | 0:38:06 | 0:38:08 | |
that you buy their excess insurance and if you don't, | 0:38:08 | 0:38:12 | |
they will tell you that you have to put | 0:38:12 | 0:38:13 | |
a £1,200 reserve on your credit card. | 0:38:13 | 0:38:16 | |
They won't take that £1,200 from your card, | 0:38:16 | 0:38:19 | |
but they'll put a hold on it, so that if you do have an accident, | 0:38:19 | 0:38:22 | |
that money is there for them to reclaim if they need it. | 0:38:22 | 0:38:25 | |
Now, you might have bought your insurance already | 0:38:25 | 0:38:28 | |
from a third-party, | 0:38:28 | 0:38:29 | |
but the car-hire companies often say, "We don't care about that. | 0:38:29 | 0:38:32 | |
"If you don't buy your insurance from us, | 0:38:32 | 0:38:34 | |
"we're going to put this reserve on your card." | 0:38:34 | 0:38:36 | |
And, of course, for some people, | 0:38:36 | 0:38:37 | |
they may only have a £2,500 credit limit on their credit card. | 0:38:37 | 0:38:41 | |
If you've got £1,200 reserved by your car-hire company, | 0:38:41 | 0:38:44 | |
that could be eating up all the credit that you have. | 0:38:44 | 0:38:47 | |
So it's a very uncompetitive practice, not particularly fair, | 0:38:47 | 0:38:50 | |
but it's one that a lot of car hire companies do indulge in. | 0:38:50 | 0:38:53 | |
Back in Palma, we also wanted to see if we'd be charged for any damage | 0:38:55 | 0:38:58 | |
that we hadn't caused, so when we took the car away, | 0:38:58 | 0:39:01 | |
we noted down any pre-existing damage that was already on the car | 0:39:01 | 0:39:05 | |
and took photos to prove what state it was in. | 0:39:05 | 0:39:08 | |
When we returned the car three days later, | 0:39:08 | 0:39:10 | |
we repeated the process again, | 0:39:10 | 0:39:12 | |
to make extra sure that we wouldn't be charged | 0:39:12 | 0:39:14 | |
and, on this occasion, | 0:39:14 | 0:39:16 | |
our 1,100 euro deposit was returned intact with no deductions. | 0:39:16 | 0:39:20 | |
But although we avoided any extra charges, | 0:39:20 | 0:39:23 | |
James Daley still sees too many examples across the industry | 0:39:23 | 0:39:26 | |
where this isn't the case, | 0:39:26 | 0:39:27 | |
which is why he'd like hire-car companies | 0:39:27 | 0:39:29 | |
to be far more transparent with their charges. | 0:39:29 | 0:39:33 | |
Once you've picked up your car, | 0:39:33 | 0:39:34 | |
the first thing you should do is give it a once over. | 0:39:34 | 0:39:36 | |
Check for any scratches or bumps | 0:39:36 | 0:39:39 | |
and take photos if you find anything. | 0:39:39 | 0:39:41 | |
Better still, get it all marked up on the paperwork | 0:39:41 | 0:39:44 | |
before you drive it off the forecourt, | 0:39:44 | 0:39:46 | |
and take a copy of the marked-up document | 0:39:46 | 0:39:49 | |
that shows where the damage is. | 0:39:49 | 0:39:51 | |
If you don't have the evidence | 0:39:51 | 0:39:52 | |
that there were scratches and bumps on the car | 0:39:52 | 0:39:54 | |
when you picked it up, | 0:39:54 | 0:39:56 | |
then you could end up being left to pay for them at the end. | 0:39:56 | 0:39:59 | |
Well, when we spoke to Goldcar, | 0:39:59 | 0:40:01 | |
it told us it's sorry that the customers we spoke to were unhappy | 0:40:01 | 0:40:04 | |
with their experience, but after reviewing their cases, | 0:40:04 | 0:40:07 | |
it is satisfied that the proper procedures were followed, | 0:40:07 | 0:40:11 | |
and that the charges were applied correctly in each instance. | 0:40:11 | 0:40:14 | |
It went on to say that it always gives customers the option | 0:40:14 | 0:40:17 | |
of either paying a refundable deposit of at least £1,100 | 0:40:17 | 0:40:21 | |
to cover any damages, | 0:40:21 | 0:40:22 | |
or to take out Goldcar's own cover | 0:40:22 | 0:40:25 | |
which means that any damage will be covered | 0:40:25 | 0:40:27 | |
and that Goldcar will handle all the paperwork. | 0:40:27 | 0:40:30 | |
But with so many of you raising similar concerns about extra charges | 0:40:30 | 0:40:34 | |
you faced after hiring a car abroad, | 0:40:34 | 0:40:36 | |
perhaps the terms and conditions of some of the companies involved | 0:40:36 | 0:40:39 | |
aren't quite as clear as they'd like to think. | 0:40:39 | 0:40:42 | |
If charges are applied which you don't think are fair, | 0:40:42 | 0:40:45 | |
extras are added that you didn't sign up to, then do complain, | 0:40:45 | 0:40:48 | |
do appeal against them. | 0:40:48 | 0:40:50 | |
Customers that are persistent do often get their money back, | 0:40:50 | 0:40:53 | |
but it isn't easy. | 0:40:53 | 0:40:54 | |
And while stories like this are a reminder to get any charges | 0:40:55 | 0:40:58 | |
you don't understand fully explained before you drive off, | 0:40:58 | 0:41:01 | |
Neil's experience has put him off | 0:41:01 | 0:41:03 | |
returning to this particular hire-car company in the future. | 0:41:03 | 0:41:06 | |
The stress of it all made me quite ill, really. | 0:41:06 | 0:41:10 | |
The whole episode put a cloud over the holiday | 0:41:10 | 0:41:13 | |
because it took us a few days to recover from it. | 0:41:13 | 0:41:17 | |
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Well, I must admit, I was horrified by some of the charges | 0:42:01 | 0:42:04 | |
that we've heard about today, particularly in that hire-car story. | 0:42:04 | 0:42:08 | |
I'm sure if you've ever hired a car abroad, | 0:42:08 | 0:42:10 | |
you'll already have spent a few anxious moments | 0:42:10 | 0:42:13 | |
wondering if you are going to be accused | 0:42:13 | 0:42:15 | |
of causing any damage on its return, | 0:42:15 | 0:42:16 | |
so for that situation to happen when you got home | 0:42:16 | 0:42:19 | |
is up there amongst every driver's worst nightmare. | 0:42:19 | 0:42:23 | |
And I tell you, I was especially interested in finding out | 0:42:23 | 0:42:25 | |
what happens if you find yourself on the wrong end | 0:42:25 | 0:42:28 | |
of a summons or a fine for a driving offence abroad. | 0:42:28 | 0:42:31 | |
You know, I'm sure that an awful lot of people | 0:42:31 | 0:42:33 | |
will have wondered just what might happen | 0:42:33 | 0:42:35 | |
if they inadvertently break the law on holiday, | 0:42:35 | 0:42:37 | |
and what the end result might be if the situation was left unresolved. | 0:42:37 | 0:42:41 | |
Don't forget, if you've got something | 0:42:41 | 0:42:43 | |
you'd like us to look into, and not just to do with holidays, | 0:42:43 | 0:42:46 | |
please do drop us a line. | 0:42:46 | 0:42:48 | |
But for now, from all of us here in sunny Tenerife, it's goodbye. | 0:42:48 | 0:42:51 | |
-Bye-bye. -Bye-bye. | 0:42:51 | 0:42:52 |