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We asked you to tell us who's left you feeling ripped-off. | 0:00:02 | 0:00:06 | |
I think this is very, very, very wrong. | 0:00:06 | 0:00:09 | |
The bank passed charges upon charges upon charges. | 0:00:09 | 0:00:13 | |
Legally, it was right. Morally? That's where the doubt comes. | 0:00:13 | 0:00:18 | |
And you contacted us in your thousands, by post, email, | 0:00:18 | 0:00:22 | |
even stopping us in the streets. And the message couldn't be clearer. | 0:00:22 | 0:00:28 | |
You don't always get a straight answer. | 0:00:28 | 0:00:31 | |
- I'm not happy at all. - It's always that small print. | 0:00:31 | 0:00:36 | |
-We're being ripped off big time. -Whether it's a deliberate rip off, | 0:00:36 | 0:00:40 | |
a simple mistake or a catch in the small print, we'll find out why you're out of pocket | 0:00:40 | 0:00:46 | |
and what you can do about it. Keep asking the questions. | 0:00:46 | 0:00:51 | |
And we do get results. | 0:00:51 | 0:00:53 | |
Your stories. Your money. This is Rip-Off Britain. | 0:00:53 | 0:00:57 | |
Hello and welcome to Rip-Off Britain where whatever the size of the problem or the money you've lost, | 0:01:00 | 0:01:06 | |
-if you think you've had a raw deal or feel short-changed, we're here to find out why. -We certainly are! | 0:01:06 | 0:01:12 | |
And guess what - we'll see if we can get some of your money back as well. | 0:01:12 | 0:01:16 | |
-And, I'm pleased to say, in some cases we have. -Well done. | 0:01:16 | 0:01:21 | |
More detail on that later on. | 0:01:21 | 0:01:24 | |
We'll also be looking at companies you may have seen ads for in the papers | 0:01:24 | 0:01:29 | |
promising they could get you out of debt or claim back cash you didn't even know you were entitled to. | 0:01:29 | 0:01:35 | |
-They make it sound like they're doing you a favour, but it can be completely the opposite. -Too right. | 0:01:35 | 0:01:42 | |
Also coming up: the cooling-off periods with a catch. | 0:01:42 | 0:01:47 | |
-You'll be charged if you want to change your mind. -Why have a cooling-off period if you're charged | 0:01:47 | 0:01:53 | |
if you cancel within that period? There's no point in even putting it in your contract. | 0:01:53 | 0:01:59 | |
Our pop-up shop was a huge success when you came along to tell us your issues | 0:01:59 | 0:02:04 | |
and to meet our team of experts. | 0:02:04 | 0:02:07 | |
With regards to your complaint about the PPI policy, we can take that up with the business that sold it. | 0:02:07 | 0:02:13 | |
Or we might be able to help you. | 0:02:13 | 0:02:16 | |
Payment Protection Insurance or PPI has been one of the big consumer scandals of recent years. | 0:02:16 | 0:02:22 | |
It was supposed to cover repayments on credit cards and loans if you lost your job or were unable to pay, | 0:02:22 | 0:02:29 | |
but it turns out almost 6.5 million policies were mis-sold to people who could never make a claim. | 0:02:29 | 0:02:36 | |
As a result, there are no end of companies promising they can get you your PPI payments back, | 0:02:36 | 0:02:42 | |
but, as ever, some are better than others. | 0:02:42 | 0:02:46 | |
Norma Randall is a retired sales manager from North Yorkshire. | 0:02:49 | 0:02:54 | |
She received a phone call out of the blue from a company telling her she could get compensation | 0:02:54 | 0:02:59 | |
for mis-sold Payment Protection Insurance. | 0:02:59 | 0:03:03 | |
I said, "That sounds very interesting, but I'm not aware that I made any PPI payments." | 0:03:03 | 0:03:10 | |
And he said, "Lots of people aren't aware of it, but I can assure you | 0:03:10 | 0:03:15 | |
"99% of people have paid PPI at some time, either on a loan or a credit card." | 0:03:15 | 0:03:22 | |
PPI or Payment Protection Insurance was often added to loans or insurance | 0:03:23 | 0:03:28 | |
by banks and other financial institutions. It was designed to pay out if the customer couldn't | 0:03:28 | 0:03:33 | |
meet their payments due to illness or redundancy. | 0:03:33 | 0:03:37 | |
He said, "Well, I think we could get you back £12,000." | 0:03:37 | 0:03:43 | |
And I gulped and thought, "Wow! | 0:03:43 | 0:03:47 | |
"I can go on holiday, I can do work in the house that I need to do." | 0:03:47 | 0:03:51 | |
That would be great. | 0:03:51 | 0:03:54 | |
The call was from We Fight Any Claim, a claims management company specialising in PPI. | 0:03:55 | 0:04:02 | |
Their sales patter to Norma does make sense. | 0:04:02 | 0:04:06 | |
An estimated 2.5 million people were mis-sold Payment Protection Insurance policies | 0:04:06 | 0:04:11 | |
and £215 million was paid out in compensation in the first half of this year. | 0:04:11 | 0:04:18 | |
So Norma was tempted by the idea that she might be entitled to some | 0:04:18 | 0:04:22 | |
and that We Fight Any Claim could get it for her. | 0:04:22 | 0:04:26 | |
And then he hit me with the bombshell of, "But that will cost you £3,414.89." | 0:04:27 | 0:04:34 | |
And I sort of stopped in my tracks. | 0:04:34 | 0:04:38 | |
They said, "Don't worry about any payments that you make to us | 0:04:39 | 0:04:43 | |
"because when your claim has been successful, it will not cost you a penny | 0:04:43 | 0:04:49 | |
"because we will take our fee | 0:04:49 | 0:04:53 | |
"from the value of the money that we claim for you." | 0:04:53 | 0:04:57 | |
Convinced by this reasoning and the reassurance of a money-back guarantee if they didn't succeed, | 0:04:59 | 0:05:07 | |
Norma decided to go ahead. | 0:05:07 | 0:05:09 | |
In total, I paid £3,659.89 on my credit card to this company. | 0:05:09 | 0:05:17 | |
In their paperwork, We Fight Any Claim make clear that they charge upfront | 0:05:17 | 0:05:22 | |
and include a success fee in that. | 0:05:22 | 0:05:25 | |
But that's unusual. Most other claims management companies charge a smaller upfront fee, | 0:05:25 | 0:05:31 | |
normally under £300, then take a percentage if the claim succeeds. | 0:05:31 | 0:05:35 | |
But having paid out so much, Norma had no choice but to hope she'd made the right decision. | 0:05:35 | 0:05:42 | |
I didn't have a word from them for three months. | 0:05:42 | 0:05:46 | |
I then began to get worried. | 0:05:46 | 0:05:49 | |
I decided to phone then and spoke to a young man who assured me | 0:05:49 | 0:05:54 | |
that the situation was going forward, | 0:05:54 | 0:05:58 | |
that they would be able to tell me a result within four weeks. | 0:05:58 | 0:06:03 | |
But six weeks later Norma still hadn't heard anything. | 0:06:03 | 0:06:07 | |
She decided to cancel her claim and get her money back. | 0:06:07 | 0:06:12 | |
They said, "If you want to cancel, it will cost you £1,000." | 0:06:12 | 0:06:16 | |
So I decided not to cancel because I did not want them to have my £1,000. | 0:06:16 | 0:06:21 | |
I wanted all my money back, not just minus £1,000. So I agreed to let them carry on. | 0:06:21 | 0:06:27 | |
Even so, because she'd paid the fee on her credit card, Norma decided to ask the credit card company | 0:06:28 | 0:06:34 | |
for their take on the situation. | 0:06:34 | 0:06:37 | |
I then rang my credit card company who informed me | 0:06:37 | 0:06:42 | |
that they had, in fact, sent a letter to the claims company in the January | 0:06:42 | 0:06:50 | |
stating that there was no PPI on the accounts. | 0:06:50 | 0:06:54 | |
Not what she'd wanted to hear. | 0:06:54 | 0:06:56 | |
Norma then called the company she had a loan with as their product was the only other one | 0:06:56 | 0:07:02 | |
that could possibly have PPI attached, but again she was told it hadn't. | 0:07:02 | 0:07:08 | |
So, armed with that knowledge, that - as she initially thought - she'd never been sold PPI, | 0:07:08 | 0:07:14 | |
let alone mis-sold it, Norma went back to the claims company, who had a very convincing response. | 0:07:14 | 0:07:20 | |
He said, "This is a usual tactic that banks and credit card companies adopt | 0:07:20 | 0:07:28 | |
"to try to avoid the refund of any monies to their customers. | 0:07:28 | 0:07:35 | |
"But we are going to take this further." | 0:07:35 | 0:07:38 | |
Norma's credit card and loan providers were adamant that no PPI was ever paid | 0:07:38 | 0:07:45 | |
or sold to her. But We Fight Any Claim continued to insist there was a claim to be fought for. | 0:07:45 | 0:07:51 | |
By now, Norma simply didn't believe them, but they still had over £3,000 of her money. | 0:07:51 | 0:07:58 | |
They're in denial about the fact that I haven't got PPI. | 0:07:58 | 0:08:02 | |
We Fight Any Claim could go on with this for years and in the meantime they're holding my money. | 0:08:02 | 0:08:09 | |
They've no right to it because they haven't done what they promised. | 0:08:09 | 0:08:13 | |
Emma Parker from the Financial Ombudsman Service says the claims management industry is growing fast | 0:08:13 | 0:08:20 | |
but for reclaiming Payment Protection Insurance, their services may not even be needed. | 0:08:20 | 0:08:26 | |
There's been a recent report on this by Money Saving Expert and Which which highlighted | 0:08:26 | 0:08:31 | |
a number of misleading claims made by claims management companies. | 0:08:31 | 0:08:36 | |
They've suggested that consumers' chances of success are higher with them. | 0:08:36 | 0:08:41 | |
Or haven't highlighted the role of the free Financial Ombudsman. | 0:08:41 | 0:08:45 | |
These are misleading | 0:08:45 | 0:08:47 | |
and companies that are regulated with the Ministry of Justice, it can take action. | 0:08:47 | 0:08:54 | |
Well, Norma contacted the Ministry of Justice, too, and after they wrote to the company | 0:08:54 | 0:09:00 | |
she did finally get all of her money back, plus the interest she'd paid while the balance was on her card. | 0:09:00 | 0:09:06 | |
We Fight Any Claim told us they don't fully agree with what Norma's told us, but concede there were | 0:09:06 | 0:09:12 | |
portions of their service that could have been completed more efficiently. | 0:09:12 | 0:09:17 | |
They say their claims process can be complex and time-consuming when it may appear nothing is happening, | 0:09:17 | 0:09:24 | |
but they blame that on banks who can be "less than co-operative". | 0:09:24 | 0:09:28 | |
They apologised to Norma that their service fell short, but still don't seem to accept | 0:09:28 | 0:09:34 | |
that she didn't have any PPI. | 0:09:34 | 0:09:37 | |
Although it's all now resolved, Norma's annoyed at being put through so much unnecessary worry. | 0:09:37 | 0:09:43 | |
I'm cross. I'm angry. I'm angry with myself, but also with the people who persuaded me | 0:09:43 | 0:09:49 | |
to part with all that money. | 0:09:49 | 0:09:51 | |
If you're contacted by a company that says it can claim back money in the same way Norma was promised, | 0:09:51 | 0:09:58 | |
however persuasive they are, don't sign up until you've checked with your lender whether you had any PPI. | 0:09:58 | 0:10:04 | |
Only then can you decide whether you have a claim to make. | 0:10:04 | 0:10:08 | |
Big companies don't always make things easy to understand | 0:10:08 | 0:10:13 | |
and it can be confusing trying to work out why you haven't ended up with what you expected. | 0:10:13 | 0:10:19 | |
So if you feel bogged down, we've put together a booklet of tips and advice. | 0:10:19 | 0:10:24 | |
You can find a link to the free guide on our website. | 0:10:24 | 0:10:30 | |
Or to receive a copy in the post, send an A5 self-addressed envelope to the address we give at the end. | 0:10:30 | 0:10:38 | |
It's something most of us don't like to think about, | 0:10:41 | 0:10:45 | |
but writing a will can make life for those we leave behind less painful. | 0:10:45 | 0:10:49 | |
When you write a will, you also have to appoint an executor, someone to carry out your wishes. | 0:10:49 | 0:10:55 | |
There are companies who can do all this work for you, but it's an unregulated industry | 0:10:55 | 0:11:01 | |
and the fees these companies charge vary enormously, which can really eat into the estate left to you. | 0:11:01 | 0:11:07 | |
Linda Neuwenhuis remembers good times with her feisty Aunt May. | 0:11:11 | 0:11:16 | |
Aunt May was quite independent. And she was before her time. | 0:11:17 | 0:11:24 | |
Quite a feminist. She didn't tolerate any messing about. | 0:11:24 | 0:11:28 | |
When May died in the summer of 2008, Linda contacted the company her aunt had used to write her will, ITC. | 0:11:28 | 0:11:36 | |
The biggest in the business, they told Linda she'd been left virtually everything | 0:11:36 | 0:11:41 | |
and sorting things out should only take a few months. | 0:11:41 | 0:11:45 | |
He confirmed that it was a quite straightforward will, just concerning my husband and myself, | 0:11:45 | 0:11:51 | |
and it should be over by Christmas. | 0:11:51 | 0:11:54 | |
As well as writing her will, Aunt May had also appointed ITC as executors, | 0:11:54 | 0:12:00 | |
so when their representative came to see Linda, she asked him what the company would charge for that. | 0:12:00 | 0:12:07 | |
He said it's all been taken care of. | 0:12:07 | 0:12:09 | |
In my naivete, I thought maybe the will process had been prepaid. | 0:12:09 | 0:12:15 | |
So I assumed that there would be no cost for them actually administrating the affairs. | 0:12:15 | 0:12:23 | |
And I felt quite happy, initially. | 0:12:23 | 0:12:26 | |
For the rest of the year, Linda supplied ITC with any information they requested, | 0:12:28 | 0:12:33 | |
but although she'd been left confident that the will would be settled by Christmas, | 0:12:33 | 0:12:38 | |
it came and went with no news. | 0:12:38 | 0:12:41 | |
Linda also began to doubt what she'd understood about the cost, | 0:12:41 | 0:12:45 | |
so she wrote to ITC and was shocked by their reply. | 0:12:45 | 0:12:50 | |
I was absolutely horrified | 0:12:50 | 0:12:52 | |
when I got a letter back to say that their fees would be | 0:12:52 | 0:12:57 | |
in the region of £15,500 plus VAT. | 0:12:57 | 0:13:02 | |
The initial remarks, the gentleman told me, "It's all been taken care of," | 0:13:02 | 0:13:08 | |
when I specifically asked for how much it would cost. | 0:13:08 | 0:13:12 | |
He didn't give me any indication at all. | 0:13:12 | 0:13:15 | |
Despite suggesting that they'd provide a swift service, it took nearly two years of chasing | 0:13:18 | 0:13:23 | |
before ITC finally settled the will. | 0:13:23 | 0:13:26 | |
The Legal Services Board is carrying out an investigation into whether the industry needs regulating | 0:13:28 | 0:13:35 | |
after a survey showed that the way wills are written and administered isn't always good enough. | 0:13:35 | 0:13:41 | |
Wills are such important documents. It's the only way to make sure those you leave behind get your wealth | 0:13:41 | 0:13:48 | |
in the way that you intended. If a will goes wrong, it can have huge financial implications | 0:13:48 | 0:13:54 | |
so it's really vital that everyone who sells wills to the public demonstrates their competence, | 0:13:54 | 0:14:01 | |
follows a code of conduct, is insured and consumers can complain to the Legal Ombudsman. | 0:14:01 | 0:14:07 | |
Come on, then, Cracker. | 0:14:07 | 0:14:10 | |
There have been a number of changes at ITC since they wrote May's will. | 0:14:10 | 0:14:15 | |
They no longer provide that service, for the last six years only dealing in probate, | 0:14:15 | 0:14:20 | |
and they've also changed their fee structure. They eventually reduced Linda's bill from £16,000 to £5,000, | 0:14:20 | 0:14:27 | |
in line with their new prices and what independent solicitors told us was a reasonable price. | 0:14:27 | 0:14:34 | |
ITC told us they sincerely regret any distress Linda felt. | 0:14:36 | 0:14:41 | |
They administer a large number of estates every year, the vast majority having a positive outcome, | 0:14:41 | 0:14:49 | |
and pride themselves on delivering the highest levels of service and value at what is a difficult time. | 0:14:49 | 0:14:56 | |
They dispute some of Linda's allegations, but say they acknowledged at the time | 0:14:57 | 0:15:03 | |
that there were issues with this case, apologised and reduced their fees accordingly. | 0:15:03 | 0:15:08 | |
As far as they're concerned, this was all satisfactorily resolved over a year ago. | 0:15:08 | 0:15:14 | |
But despite their efforts to make amends, Linda still feels aggrieved. | 0:15:14 | 0:15:19 | |
I'm so angry on her behalf. | 0:15:21 | 0:15:24 | |
I don't think they deserved a penny because of all the work I had to do myself. I think it was outrageous. | 0:15:24 | 0:15:32 | |
Writing a will can be a minefield for all sorts of reasons, | 0:15:32 | 0:15:36 | |
so with more information of what to think about, here's Gary Rycroft from the Law Society. | 0:15:36 | 0:15:42 | |
If you've never made a will before or it's a long time since you did, | 0:15:42 | 0:15:46 | |
do some research first. Telephone some local firms of solicitors | 0:15:46 | 0:15:51 | |
and find out how much it's going to be to make a will. Then you'll know the market rate. | 0:15:51 | 0:15:57 | |
Don't feel pressurised into other legal services or products. | 0:15:57 | 0:16:01 | |
Some things offered may be Powers of Attorney or trusts. They may be good ideas for you, | 0:16:01 | 0:16:06 | |
but never feel pressurised to sign up there and then. Always take it away with you and think it through | 0:16:06 | 0:16:13 | |
with a trusted family friend. | 0:16:13 | 0:16:15 | |
Never, ever pay for will storage. | 0:16:15 | 0:16:18 | |
Most firms of solicitors will be pleased to store it for free. | 0:16:18 | 0:16:22 | |
If you do decide to store your will, find out where it will be stored. | 0:16:22 | 0:16:26 | |
It mustn't be in an attic or garage. Make sure it's in a fire-proof safe. | 0:16:26 | 0:16:31 | |
At this stage, I would say never sign up for probate and estate administration services. | 0:16:31 | 0:16:37 | |
You don't know what the value of your estate will be at your death. | 0:16:37 | 0:16:41 | |
Let your executors sign up for the best deal at the relevant time. | 0:16:41 | 0:16:45 | |
There's no point in paying now for services that may not be required from a company which may not exist | 0:16:45 | 0:16:52 | |
at the time of your death. | 0:16:52 | 0:16:54 | |
We teamed up with BBC Learning to open a pop-up consumer advice shop | 0:16:54 | 0:16:59 | |
at the Trafford Centre, Manchester. | 0:16:59 | 0:17:03 | |
We've had a fantastic response from members of the public. | 0:17:03 | 0:17:07 | |
It's been a great opportunity for us to meet you and hear your problems | 0:17:07 | 0:17:13 | |
and BBC Learning have been very busy encouraging people to improve their maths | 0:17:13 | 0:17:19 | |
in their interactive area. | 0:17:19 | 0:17:21 | |
Our experts are helping lots of people, too, and Martyn James from the Financial Ombudsman Service | 0:17:21 | 0:17:28 | |
is helping out with a common rip-off: Payment Protection Insurance. | 0:17:28 | 0:17:34 | |
Alison and her friend tried to claim back mis-sold PPI through a claims management company. | 0:17:34 | 0:17:41 | |
They said they could get us back in the region of £780. | 0:17:41 | 0:17:45 | |
But they expected us to pay £280 upfront. | 0:17:45 | 0:17:51 | |
-Upfront? -Upfront. -Before you even got any claim. -In order for them to do the research. | 0:17:51 | 0:17:57 | |
They guaranteed that we would get that money, otherwise we would at least get the £280 back. | 0:17:57 | 0:18:04 | |
So we waited for the forms, we filled them in, like a letter of authority, and sent them off | 0:18:04 | 0:18:11 | |
and to this day, over a year ago now, despite numerous letters, I've heard nothing. | 0:18:11 | 0:18:17 | |
-It's been a year? -Far too long. -And she's paid out money. -They are regulated by the Dept of Justice. | 0:18:17 | 0:18:23 | |
That's the good news. However, unfortunately, | 0:18:23 | 0:18:27 | |
there isn't an ombudsman scheme or other organisation you can turn to to get the money back from them. | 0:18:27 | 0:18:34 | |
All that you can continue to do is put pressure on them. | 0:18:34 | 0:18:38 | |
With your complaint about the PPI policy, we can take that up with the business that sold it, | 0:18:38 | 0:18:44 | |
and we might be able to help you. That you can do for free. | 0:18:44 | 0:18:48 | |
Unfortunately, once you've paid them, you may need legal action. | 0:18:48 | 0:18:53 | |
Knowing the next step to take can make the difference and if you need any further advice, visit: | 0:18:53 | 0:19:00 | |
We are a nation in debt. | 0:19:08 | 0:19:11 | |
Between us, we owe a staggering £1.5 trillion. | 0:19:11 | 0:19:17 | |
Now that is not an easy figure for any of us to get our heads around, | 0:19:17 | 0:19:22 | |
but that really is the total level of personal debt that's owed | 0:19:22 | 0:19:27 | |
by the 50 million or so adults in Britain today. | 0:19:27 | 0:19:30 | |
Among them is pensioner Geoff Burgess. For him, things were a bit tight. He had some debts, | 0:19:30 | 0:19:37 | |
but he felt he was managing them OK. | 0:19:37 | 0:19:39 | |
That is until he was cold called by a company called Beneficial Claims. | 0:19:39 | 0:19:45 | |
Now they seemed to be offering him a solution that might mean | 0:19:45 | 0:19:49 | |
he didn't have to pay back his loans at all. Sounds too good to be true? | 0:19:49 | 0:19:54 | |
Unfortunately for Geoff, it was. | 0:19:54 | 0:19:58 | |
Geoff and May Burgess thought they were doing fine with their money. | 0:20:09 | 0:20:14 | |
77-year-old Geoff was paying off a loan, but had no problems meeting the repayments, | 0:20:14 | 0:20:20 | |
until in January of 2010 he got a call out of the blue from a company called Beneficial Claims. | 0:20:20 | 0:20:26 | |
They told him his loan may not be enforceable under new legislation, | 0:20:26 | 0:20:32 | |
meaning he may not have to pay it back. | 0:20:32 | 0:20:36 | |
Beneficial Claims phoned me up and said we'd got this loan and they'd look into it. | 0:20:36 | 0:20:43 | |
And then I wanted to know what was this going to cost me. | 0:20:43 | 0:20:48 | |
And they said, | 0:20:48 | 0:20:51 | |
"Well, the fee will be £360, | 0:20:51 | 0:20:55 | |
"but if we win your case and get your money wrote off," | 0:20:55 | 0:21:00 | |
then the fee would be a percentage of the money we got wrote off. | 0:21:00 | 0:21:05 | |
But things took an unexpected turn when Geoff received his next credit card bill. | 0:21:05 | 0:21:12 | |
And my credit card bill came | 0:21:12 | 0:21:15 | |
and I nearly went mental. | 0:21:15 | 0:21:18 | |
I couldn't believe... I had to look at it two or three times to see. | 0:21:18 | 0:21:22 | |
I said, "Who the hell's taken this amount of money off me?!" | 0:21:22 | 0:21:27 | |
A hefty £5,518 had been taken from Geoff's credit card | 0:21:27 | 0:21:35 | |
by, you've guessed it, Beneficial Claims, | 0:21:35 | 0:21:39 | |
so when he got in touch to ask why, how did they explain it? | 0:21:39 | 0:21:43 | |
That money was being used as a down payment more or less to work on my case for me. | 0:21:43 | 0:21:50 | |
Then I tried to get through to them | 0:21:50 | 0:21:53 | |
that the fee was agreed of £360. | 0:21:53 | 0:21:57 | |
Not nearly 6,000! | 0:21:57 | 0:21:59 | |
We've looked at Geoff's paperwork | 0:22:02 | 0:22:05 | |
and it does seem that all he initially agreed to | 0:22:05 | 0:22:09 | |
was £360 for them to review his loan and credit card agreements. | 0:22:09 | 0:22:14 | |
It's just unbelievable. | 0:22:18 | 0:22:20 | |
It really is unbelievable, how they wouldn't explain why. | 0:22:20 | 0:22:24 | |
I'm still no wiser now over why they did it. | 0:22:24 | 0:22:28 | |
I just don't know. Nobody has explained why they took that much money. | 0:22:28 | 0:22:33 | |
Despite Geoff's efforts, his demands for a clear explanation and a refund | 0:22:33 | 0:22:40 | |
did not get the response that he'd hoped for. | 0:22:40 | 0:22:43 | |
His case was simply passed to a sister company called Money Worries. | 0:22:43 | 0:22:47 | |
They said they've transferred it to another company | 0:22:47 | 0:22:51 | |
who is better equipped and have more knowledge of dealing with it. | 0:22:51 | 0:22:56 | |
I said, "I don't want this really. I want my money back." | 0:22:56 | 0:23:00 | |
He said, "We can't do anything about it now. We've passed it all over to them. | 0:23:00 | 0:23:05 | |
"You'll have to deal with them." | 0:23:05 | 0:23:07 | |
What Geoff didn't realise is that Money Worries is a debt management company, | 0:23:07 | 0:23:13 | |
a service he had absolutely no need for because he has been meeting all of his repayments. | 0:23:13 | 0:23:19 | |
I've never missed a payment on my loan because it goes out on a standing order. | 0:23:19 | 0:23:25 | |
He didn't need his payment plan being tinkered with | 0:23:25 | 0:23:29 | |
and he was particularly infuriated when they said they would work on his credit card bill. | 0:23:29 | 0:23:35 | |
I said, "What do you mean, my credit card? | 0:23:35 | 0:23:38 | |
"Your company has put this money on my credit card, not me. | 0:23:38 | 0:23:42 | |
"I had only 260 quid on my credit card. | 0:23:42 | 0:23:45 | |
"You've put the rest on and I want it back." | 0:23:45 | 0:23:49 | |
By now, Geoff's repeated complaints had produced a partial victory. | 0:23:49 | 0:23:55 | |
Beneficial Claims, who by now had changed their name to We Fight Any Claim, | 0:23:55 | 0:24:01 | |
gave him £4,000 back, | 0:24:01 | 0:24:03 | |
but the rest was still passed over to Money Worries. | 0:24:03 | 0:24:07 | |
I was transferred to Money Worries | 0:24:07 | 0:24:10 | |
without my consent. | 0:24:10 | 0:24:12 | |
I didn't know what they were going to do, | 0:24:12 | 0:24:16 | |
how they were going to do it, nothing was explained to me. | 0:24:16 | 0:24:20 | |
And I didn't want them to do it, | 0:24:20 | 0:24:22 | |
which I told them on numerous occasions, when I've been on the phone, | 0:24:22 | 0:24:27 | |
"I want it closed down and I want nothing to do with you." | 0:24:27 | 0:24:31 | |
But they didn't want to know. It just fell on dead ears. | 0:24:31 | 0:24:34 | |
Geoff tried complaining to Money Worries too, | 0:24:34 | 0:24:38 | |
but they told him he wasn't entitled to any refund, so Geoff wrote to us. | 0:24:38 | 0:24:44 | |
When Rip-Off Britain contacted Money Worries in August, | 0:24:44 | 0:24:47 | |
the company reinvestigated the case. | 0:24:47 | 0:24:50 | |
They said it had come to light | 0:24:50 | 0:24:53 | |
that there was still £1,365.14 of his money lodged with them, | 0:24:53 | 0:24:58 | |
money that was passed over from Beneficial Claims. | 0:24:58 | 0:25:01 | |
This money has now been refunded to Geoff. | 0:25:01 | 0:25:05 | |
The company also told us that they did not agree with Geoff's version of events | 0:25:05 | 0:25:10 | |
and that the £5,518 originally taken from his credit card | 0:25:10 | 0:25:15 | |
constituted "agreed review and legal fees". | 0:25:15 | 0:25:19 | |
They say the transfer of some of those funds to Money Worries was partly... | 0:25:19 | 0:25:24 | |
Although they're sorry for any misunderstanding, they point out Geoff signed a letter of authority | 0:25:34 | 0:25:40 | |
and a standing order mandate for them to work on his behalf, which is true, | 0:25:40 | 0:25:45 | |
but it doesn't mean that he understood exactly what he had been persuaded to sign up to | 0:25:45 | 0:25:51 | |
and he is adamant that he didn't. | 0:25:51 | 0:25:54 | |
I feel so disgusted and this company should feel ashamed of themselves. | 0:25:55 | 0:26:00 | |
I'm a 77-year-old pensioner... | 0:26:00 | 0:26:03 | |
..and my brain is not working as quick as it used to do and I thin they took advantage of it. | 0:26:06 | 0:26:12 | |
Still to come on Rip-Off Britain, we'll investigate another company making bold claims | 0:26:15 | 0:26:21 | |
about reclaiming mis-sold payment protection insurance. | 0:26:21 | 0:26:25 | |
They were very persistent in their methods of saying that I was entitled to this money | 0:26:25 | 0:26:30 | |
and that I should proceed. | 0:26:30 | 0:26:32 | |
In our financial situation, I felt we had to go for it. | 0:26:32 | 0:26:36 | |
Still on the subject of the dreaded cold call, | 0:26:38 | 0:26:41 | |
you may have been contacted yourself by companies promising anything | 0:26:41 | 0:26:45 | |
from cheaper energy bills to a better deal on your insurance. | 0:26:45 | 0:26:49 | |
That's exactly what happened to Eileen Mason from Lincolnshire. | 0:26:49 | 0:26:53 | |
She decided to switch her car insurance | 0:26:53 | 0:26:56 | |
after being cold-called with a better deal from a rival firm, | 0:26:56 | 0:27:00 | |
a decision she very quickly came to regret. | 0:27:00 | 0:27:04 | |
Countless consumers have benefited from a cooling-off period, | 0:27:07 | 0:27:11 | |
the right to cancel a contract within a certain period of time. | 0:27:11 | 0:27:15 | |
And it's what Eileen Mason was relying on when she changed her mind about an insurance policy. | 0:27:15 | 0:27:21 | |
I am a pensioner. I live on my own. | 0:27:24 | 0:27:26 | |
I've worked all my life from the age of 16 | 0:27:26 | 0:27:30 | |
and at my age, I am very careful with how I spend my money. | 0:27:30 | 0:27:35 | |
In August, the 73-year-old was cold-called by Swinton Insurance | 0:27:37 | 0:27:42 | |
who said that they could get her a better deal on her house and car insurance. | 0:27:42 | 0:27:47 | |
Keen to save money, Eileen decided to take them up on their offer, | 0:27:47 | 0:27:51 | |
not least because they said she had a 14-day cooling-off period, | 0:27:51 | 0:27:55 | |
which she thought gave her a bit of breathing space if she changed her mind. | 0:27:55 | 0:28:00 | |
I understood the 14-day cooling-off period meant there wouldn't be any charges, | 0:28:00 | 0:28:06 | |
so I was quite happy to go ahead. | 0:28:06 | 0:28:09 | |
But when Eileen called her current insurers to cancel her existing policy, | 0:28:09 | 0:28:14 | |
they offered to better Swinton's quote by over £100. | 0:28:14 | 0:28:18 | |
So she gave me the quote which was a standard cover, | 0:28:18 | 0:28:22 | |
basically the same as Swinton, | 0:28:22 | 0:28:25 | |
which I thought was a better deal, obviously, because it was over £100 cheaper. | 0:28:25 | 0:28:30 | |
What fool wouldn't go for that? | 0:28:30 | 0:28:33 | |
Confident that she'd get her money back because she was cancelling within that cooling-off period, | 0:28:33 | 0:28:40 | |
Eileen then called Swinton to say that she didn't need their new policy after all. | 0:28:40 | 0:28:45 | |
They said she could cancel, but she'd be charged for the privilege. | 0:28:45 | 0:28:51 | |
The young lady said, "You do realise you have to pay a £50 cancellation fee | 0:28:51 | 0:28:56 | |
"for both home and the car insurance?" | 0:28:56 | 0:28:59 | |
I said, "What, £100?!" She said, "Yes, I'm afraid that is what we do. That's our policy." | 0:28:59 | 0:29:05 | |
But it's a policy that Eileen considers outrageous. | 0:29:07 | 0:29:11 | |
Why have a cooling-off period if you're charged if you cancel within that period or after that period? | 0:29:11 | 0:29:17 | |
There's no point in even putting it in your contract. | 0:29:17 | 0:29:21 | |
The Financial Services Authority rules state that companies cannot penalise customers | 0:29:21 | 0:29:27 | |
for cancelling within 14 days, | 0:29:27 | 0:29:30 | |
but they can charge a reasonable administration fee. | 0:29:30 | 0:29:33 | |
I don't mind having to pay an administration charge, | 0:29:35 | 0:29:39 | |
but not to pay £50. What was the £50 for? | 0:29:39 | 0:29:42 | |
All they sent to me was copies that they'd printed off | 0:29:42 | 0:29:46 | |
from obviously their glossy brochure. | 0:29:46 | 0:29:51 | |
The FSA also says customers should be told about fees like this before taking out the policy. | 0:29:52 | 0:29:58 | |
Eileen says that did not happen when Swinton contacted her, | 0:29:58 | 0:30:03 | |
but when she tried to get hold of a copy of the call to prove it, | 0:30:03 | 0:30:06 | |
she was told that only those from call centres are recorded. | 0:30:06 | 0:30:10 | |
Eileen's call was from the Grimsby branch, so it's her word against theirs | 0:30:10 | 0:30:15 | |
that they didn't mention the charge. | 0:30:15 | 0:30:19 | |
If she had told me at the time that I would be charged, | 0:30:19 | 0:30:22 | |
I would have said to her, "Cancel those quotes now because I'm not going ahead." | 0:30:22 | 0:30:28 | |
Swinton aren't the only insurers to charge a fee if you cancel within the cooling-off period. | 0:30:28 | 0:30:34 | |
Others we contacted charge anything from £5 to £55. | 0:30:34 | 0:30:39 | |
When we asked about their fee, Swinton told us | 0:30:39 | 0:30:42 | |
it doesn't exceed the administration costs of setting up a new policy. | 0:30:42 | 0:30:46 | |
They sent us a list of the 40 tasks and costs | 0:30:46 | 0:30:50 | |
that they say are part of the market analysis used to calculate the price. | 0:30:50 | 0:30:55 | |
And they insist that customers would be aware of the fee | 0:30:55 | 0:30:58 | |
because all Swinton sales staff are required to follow a script that mentions it, | 0:30:58 | 0:31:04 | |
plus it's in the terms and conditions. | 0:31:04 | 0:31:07 | |
Even so, they did offer Eileen £50 as a goodwill gesture, | 0:31:08 | 0:31:12 | |
but determined to get a full refund, she rejected their offer | 0:31:12 | 0:31:16 | |
and put in a complaint to the Financial Ombudsman Service | 0:31:16 | 0:31:20 | |
and the company has now refunded the whole £100. | 0:31:20 | 0:31:24 | |
Eileen says the experience has made her wary of relying on cooling-off periods in the future. | 0:31:24 | 0:31:29 | |
I have lost confidence with switching from anyone. | 0:31:29 | 0:31:34 | |
Whoever I'm with now, I will be with till the day I die. | 0:31:34 | 0:31:39 | |
Earlier in the programme, we heard about just one of the companies | 0:31:39 | 0:31:43 | |
who claim they'll get back money that you've paid out for mis-sold payment protection insurance, | 0:31:43 | 0:31:50 | |
or PPI as we call it, but there are lots of those companies around. | 0:31:50 | 0:31:54 | |
In fact, every week, about 2,500 people use one of them. | 0:31:54 | 0:31:57 | |
Unfortunately, some of those people never see a penny | 0:31:57 | 0:32:01 | |
and probably didn't even need the company's help in the first place. | 0:32:01 | 0:32:05 | |
Come on, boys. | 0:32:05 | 0:32:07 | |
John and Carol Henry have had a really tough time over the last couple of years. | 0:32:07 | 0:32:13 | |
Carol was made redundant and John had to leave his job for health reasons. | 0:32:13 | 0:32:18 | |
With neither of them working, their finances were put under huge pressure. | 0:32:18 | 0:32:22 | |
We couldn't pay our bills or our mortgage. | 0:32:22 | 0:32:26 | |
We couldn't pay the loans that we had, we couldn't pay our credit cards. We were in a real mess. | 0:32:26 | 0:32:33 | |
While he had still been working, John had taken out three loans. | 0:32:33 | 0:32:37 | |
Each time, he bought payment protection insurance to go with them | 0:32:37 | 0:32:41 | |
to cover his repayments if he became unable to pay. | 0:32:41 | 0:32:44 | |
-How much was it on this one? -On this loan alone, it's £2,420. -Yeah. | 0:32:44 | 0:32:49 | |
The cost of that wasn't small change. | 0:32:49 | 0:32:52 | |
In total, I have paid over £5,000 in PPI insurance, | 0:32:52 | 0:32:57 | |
which, if I hadn't done, could have paid off one of my loans. | 0:32:57 | 0:33:02 | |
After paying out so much, you can see why in autumn 2010, | 0:33:03 | 0:33:08 | |
when they became aware of the PPI mis-selling scandal, | 0:33:08 | 0:33:12 | |
John and Carol started to wonder if they had been mis-sold their insurance as well | 0:33:12 | 0:33:17 | |
and if perhaps they'd be entitled to some of that money back? | 0:33:17 | 0:33:21 | |
It dawned on me that John hadn't been asked enough questions about him taking out the PPI. | 0:33:21 | 0:33:27 | |
I think at the time he did take it out with the loans, | 0:33:27 | 0:33:31 | |
he felt very pressured into signing the forms | 0:33:31 | 0:33:34 | |
because he needed this insurance, | 0:33:34 | 0:33:37 | |
but I really don't believe, when we've discussed it, | 0:33:37 | 0:33:41 | |
that he had actually been truly informed as to what it really meant. | 0:33:41 | 0:33:46 | |
John contacted his creditors who assured him that he had not been mis-sold his PPI, | 0:33:46 | 0:33:51 | |
but a few weeks later, he received a call right out of the blue | 0:33:51 | 0:33:55 | |
from a company called Claims Management Bureau who said the opposite. | 0:33:55 | 0:34:00 | |
They insisted that he was entitled to compensation | 0:34:00 | 0:34:03 | |
and made some bold claims about just how much. | 0:34:03 | 0:34:07 | |
They informed him that he was actually entitled to a minimum of £1,500 rebate | 0:34:08 | 0:34:13 | |
on the PPI insurance that he had paid. That was the minimum he could expect. | 0:34:13 | 0:34:18 | |
I informed them that I had already contacted my creditors | 0:34:18 | 0:34:22 | |
and they told me that I hadn't been mis-sold it | 0:34:22 | 0:34:26 | |
and he insisted. | 0:34:26 | 0:34:28 | |
He said, "Yes, you are entitled to this. It's in the government guidelines." | 0:34:28 | 0:34:33 | |
They were very persistent in their methods of saying that I was entitled to this money | 0:34:33 | 0:34:40 | |
and that I should proceed. | 0:34:40 | 0:34:42 | |
In our financial situation, I felt we had to go for it. | 0:34:42 | 0:34:45 | |
Persuaded they were due some cash after all, John signed up, | 0:34:45 | 0:34:49 | |
agreeing to pay Claims Management Bureau an initial up-front fee of £234, | 0:34:49 | 0:34:56 | |
so that they could process his claim. | 0:34:56 | 0:34:59 | |
They said they were a time-effective, honest and reliable service. | 0:34:59 | 0:35:04 | |
That was music to your ears and you felt you could go along with that, you could trust them. | 0:35:04 | 0:35:09 | |
The couple didn't have the money straight away and told the company | 0:35:09 | 0:35:13 | |
it would take seven days to transfer it to them. | 0:35:13 | 0:35:17 | |
Every day without fail they rang. "Is the money in the account yet? Is the money in the account yet?" | 0:35:17 | 0:35:24 | |
I said to John, "There's something wrong. They shouldn't be panicking for this money." | 0:35:24 | 0:35:30 | |
But the couple paid up and signed all the forms at which point things went rather quiet. | 0:35:30 | 0:35:35 | |
After two months had gone by and they'd heard nothing, John called the Claims Management Bureau | 0:35:35 | 0:35:41 | |
to find out what was going on. | 0:35:41 | 0:35:44 | |
He got somebody on the phone who said to him, "Don't worry, it's all being dealt with. | 0:35:44 | 0:35:49 | |
"It's all being processed." | 0:35:49 | 0:35:51 | |
We got Christmas over, then I said, "John, you still haven't heard anything from these people. | 0:35:51 | 0:35:57 | |
"There's something not right here." | 0:35:57 | 0:36:00 | |
So he rang them. | 0:36:00 | 0:36:02 | |
The phone rang out and rang out - no answer. | 0:36:02 | 0:36:06 | |
-The phone's dead. -Yeah. | 0:36:06 | 0:36:08 | |
In February 2011 with still no word, John contacted Trading Standards. | 0:36:08 | 0:36:14 | |
On their advice, he wrote to the company and sent the letter by recorded delivery. | 0:36:14 | 0:36:19 | |
It was signed for, but he heard nothing back. | 0:36:19 | 0:36:22 | |
Two weeks later, he sent another letter which was returned. | 0:36:22 | 0:36:26 | |
It had been opened by the post office, sent back to us, | 0:36:26 | 0:36:30 | |
informing us that the company was no longer at that address. | 0:36:30 | 0:36:34 | |
I then decided to contact the Police Fraud Squad and gave them all the details of the company. | 0:36:34 | 0:36:40 | |
The police said that they couldn't really help without more complaints, | 0:36:40 | 0:36:45 | |
but we've done some investigations of our own. | 0:36:45 | 0:36:48 | |
We got in touch with the Ministry of Justice who regulate claims companies of this type. | 0:36:48 | 0:36:53 | |
They told us that the Claims Management Bureau is not authorised by them | 0:36:53 | 0:36:58 | |
which means the company was trading illegally. | 0:36:58 | 0:37:01 | |
What that means for the £234 that John and Carol have paid is unclear. | 0:37:01 | 0:37:07 | |
Come on, boys. | 0:37:07 | 0:37:09 | |
They're hoping to get it back from their credit card company | 0:37:09 | 0:37:13 | |
and to determine once and for all whether they were mis-sold PPI, | 0:37:13 | 0:37:17 | |
they've contacted the Financial Ombudsman Service, by far the best way of finding that out | 0:37:17 | 0:37:22 | |
and one that won't cost you a penny. | 0:37:22 | 0:37:24 | |
We tried to get hold of the Claims Management Bureau for an explanation. | 0:37:24 | 0:37:29 | |
So far, we've had no response. | 0:37:29 | 0:37:31 | |
Now here's a fact. | 0:37:31 | 0:37:34 | |
Last year, seven out of ten complaints to the Financial Ombudsman | 0:37:34 | 0:37:38 | |
all related to Personal Protection Insurance or PPI, as we call them. | 0:37:38 | 0:37:42 | |
So today I've come to the Ministry of Justice to talk to Kevin Roussell who is Head of Claims Regulation | 0:37:42 | 0:37:48 | |
to ask him exactly what they're doing about this enormous problem. | 0:37:48 | 0:37:53 | |
Kevin, we're really glad that you've joined us. | 0:37:53 | 0:37:56 | |
This issue of PPI is really causing a lot of disturbance | 0:37:56 | 0:38:00 | |
and frustration to many of our viewers who have cited the case. | 0:38:00 | 0:38:05 | |
You are the regulator, so there's something adrift. You're not regulating enough. | 0:38:05 | 0:38:10 | |
We have about 900 businesses in this area which we're trying to regulate. | 0:38:10 | 0:38:14 | |
The majority are providing a reasonably good service. | 0:38:14 | 0:38:18 | |
There's a few bad eggs in that. We're chasing all those to make sure they do comply. | 0:38:18 | 0:38:23 | |
If they don't, we will close them down. | 0:38:23 | 0:38:26 | |
Do you feel you're acting quickly enough and punishing these claims management companies sufficiently? | 0:38:26 | 0:38:32 | |
Yes, I do. We can put conditions on people's licences. That means the businesses can't do certain things. | 0:38:32 | 0:38:38 | |
We don't have to shut them down. We can restrict their activities, focus on where things are going wrong. | 0:38:38 | 0:38:45 | |
I have to take into account how many consumers are with that business | 0:38:45 | 0:38:49 | |
because if it's got thousands of claims which are live, | 0:38:49 | 0:38:53 | |
it could be detrimental to close the business down, rather than trying some other means to improve things. | 0:38:53 | 0:38:59 | |
But then the other reason that people give, | 0:38:59 | 0:39:02 | |
they say that sometimes these companies just go into liquidation, not traceable, | 0:39:02 | 0:39:07 | |
so in fact the money they've paid up front that you talked about has gone. What redress is there there? | 0:39:07 | 0:39:14 | |
We track very closely where the individuals go. | 0:39:14 | 0:39:17 | |
If they try and get involved with another business, we will stop them. | 0:39:17 | 0:39:21 | |
As for consumers who have paid up-front fees, the majority have paid on credit cards | 0:39:21 | 0:39:26 | |
and they can claim back via their credit card company who shares liability for it. | 0:39:26 | 0:39:31 | |
It's not ideal, but in most cases, people get their money back that way | 0:39:31 | 0:39:35 | |
You did intervene in the case of Norma. She'd been a widow for 17 years. | 0:39:35 | 0:39:40 | |
So what were your investigations in that case? | 0:39:40 | 0:39:44 | |
In that case, the company called We Fight Any Claim, we had concerns about their activities in selling, | 0:39:44 | 0:39:50 | |
so we put some restrictions on their licence to stop them confusing consumers in what they were doing. | 0:39:50 | 0:39:56 | |
Is your advice not to pay up-front fees or in some cases are they justified? | 0:39:56 | 0:40:01 | |
There is no reason in PPI claims why you need to pay an up-front fee. | 0:40:01 | 0:40:05 | |
Sometimes if you make a request for data from a bank, there's a £10 fee, | 0:40:05 | 0:40:10 | |
but anything else shouldn't be necessary. | 0:40:10 | 0:40:13 | |
Most companies don't charge up-front fees and provide a reasonable service. | 0:40:13 | 0:40:18 | |
Your organisation has been accused of not regulating enough. It's too slow, it's not efficient enough. | 0:40:18 | 0:40:24 | |
In future, how are you going to speed that up and enforce the laws you have more quickly? | 0:40:24 | 0:40:29 | |
We're putting additional resources particularly into the PPI area | 0:40:29 | 0:40:33 | |
because it's clear from all the reports we've seen, the mystery shopping that's been done, | 0:40:33 | 0:40:39 | |
that more businesses need to comply with our regulations. | 0:40:39 | 0:40:43 | |
So Rip-Off Britain will be still knocking on your door? | 0:40:43 | 0:40:47 | |
-In a nice way, hopefully. -Thank you very much. -Thank you. | 0:40:47 | 0:40:51 | |
At Rip-Off Britain, we're always ready to investigate more of your stories. | 0:40:53 | 0:40:58 | |
Confused over your bills, trying to wade through endless small print that leaves you none the wiser? | 0:40:58 | 0:41:05 | |
I might have been stupid for not reading it or I've read it and not taken it in. | 0:41:05 | 0:41:10 | |
I could kick myself. I really could. | 0:41:10 | 0:41:12 | |
Unsure what to do when you discover you've lost out | 0:41:12 | 0:41:16 | |
and that so-called great deal has ended up costing you money? | 0:41:16 | 0:41:20 | |
I thought, "This cannot be true. It's totally unacceptable." I was so angry. | 0:41:20 | 0:41:25 | |
You might have a cautionary tale of your own and want to share the mistakes you made with us, | 0:41:25 | 0:41:31 | |
so others don't do the same. | 0:41:31 | 0:41:33 | |
No-one knows about this, so this is very strange. I really would like to get this much clearer. | 0:41:33 | 0:41:39 | |
You can write to us at... | 0:41:39 | 0:41:41 | |
Or send us an email to... | 0:41:50 | 0:41:53 | |
The Rip-Off team is ready and waiting to investigate your stories. | 0:41:57 | 0:42:02 | |
It's clear from today's stories that before you agree to anyone offering to claim back money on your behalf, | 0:42:04 | 0:42:10 | |
check that you do need their services and it isn't something you could do yourself. | 0:42:10 | 0:42:16 | |
The chances are that you could save yourself not just a lot of money, but also an awful lot of hassle. | 0:42:16 | 0:42:22 | |
And at a time when money is tighter than ever, | 0:42:22 | 0:42:25 | |
you want to be confident that you are getting the best value from every pound you spend. | 0:42:25 | 0:42:31 | |
This programme is all about trying to look after your money at all times. | 0:42:31 | 0:42:35 | |
That's where we've got to leave it for today, | 0:42:35 | 0:42:38 | |
but we hope you'll join us again when we'll investigate more of your stories, | 0:42:38 | 0:42:43 | |
-showing you how to avoid being ripped off. Until then, from the three of us, bye-bye. -Bye-bye. -Bye. | 0:42:43 | 0:42:49 | |
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