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We asked you to tell us who's left you feeling ripped off.

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I think this is very, very wrong, what they've done.

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The bank passed charges upon charges.

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Legally, it was right. Morally? That's where the doubt is.

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And you contacted us in your thousands by post, email, even stopping us in the street.

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And the message could not be clearer.

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- They just try to fob you off. - I'm not happy at all.

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- There's always that very small print. - We're being ripped off, big time.

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Whether it's a deliberate rip-off, a simple mistake or a catch in the small print,

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we'll find out why you're out of pocket and what you can do about it.

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Keep asking the questions.

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We do get results.

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Your stories, your money. This is Rip-Off Britain.

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Hello and welcome to Rip-Off Britain, the series that fights to sort out your complaints

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-and makes sure no one takes advantage of you or your money.

-Too right! Today we tackle a subject

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that affects every one of us and can leave you feeling confused or ripped-off - energy bills!

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-The dreaded energy bills.

-Exactly. It's on everybody's minds during the winter with these higher prices.

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We'll be looking at some of the mistakes energy companies make when it comes to your bills

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and exposing the hidden hikes you may not have spotted.

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Find out if your prices have gone up even more than you expected.

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Also coming up: when shopping around for cheaper energy prices proves to be a waste of energy.

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I just want a single, set monthly price. That's what I'm paying.

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I don't want to end up with a huge bill at the end of the year.

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Plus find out what happened when we met some of you face to face at the RipOff Britain pop-up shop.

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They sent me a bill for over £1,000 for one month.

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Time to get our hands dirty and start investigating.

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The huge rise in our energy bills couldn't have come at a worse time.

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It's estimated that up to a quarter of households in the UK are living in so-called fuel poverty

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when more than 10% of your total income goes on keeping warm.

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But what if the increases are only the tip of the iceberg?

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Trevor Watson worked out that the price rises in his bill were far higher than he'd read about.

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In fact, up to 40% higher.

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So we decided to investigate.

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With more cold weather on the way, the cost of keeping warm is on everyone's minds.

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In the past couple of years, the price of gas and electricity has risen by 22%,

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and we've heard from so many people concerned about this winter. All the big suppliers have price rises,

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but Trevor Watson's payments have already gone up.

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When I did the maths on mine, the huge increases,

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I thought, "This cannot be true. It's totally unacceptable." I was so angry. I could not believe it.

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Trevor gets his energy from Scottish Power after switching late last year.

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When he's not volunteering at a local National Trust orchard,

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this retired project manager knows how to root out a good deal.

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Towards the end of last year, I was looking for something cheaper.

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And I came across Scottish Power's

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online energy saver 2011. And that suited me.

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So I switched to that in December, 2010.

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And everything was fine until June this year when suddenly I saw these headlines

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and there were these horrendous price rises being proposed.

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In June, 2011, Scottish Power advertised an average price increase of 10% on electricity

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and 19% on gas.

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For the average dual fuel customer, that works out at £174 increase on the yearly bill,

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but thanks to the particular tariff that he was on, Trevor faced an even bigger price hike.

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I investigated my own tariff and I was absolutely horrified when I worked out

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that the increase they were proposing for my electricity was up to 25%

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and for gas was a whopping 61%.

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61%?! I just couldn't believe it.

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When I worked out the cost for myself on my own annual consumption,

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it worked out as a whopping 40% increase or about £420.

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That is just totally unsustainable.

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Trevor contacted the company to point out the discrepancy between the advertised price rises

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and what his own increase would be. They responded stating

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the reason for the larger than average increase was due to him being on such a competitive tariff.

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And that made me even more angry because

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they gave two reasons for my horrendous increase in prices.

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The first was that I was on one of their most competitive tariffs.

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That's a fact, not a reason to take away the competitive element.

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And the second one was that there was a price rise in November, 2010, which I missed.

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Totally irrelevant because I didn't even join Scottish Power until December.

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It makes me angry because I feel impotent that I'm just a single person trying to battle against

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these big giants who make billions of pounds of profit.

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Scottish Power told us their prices have risen because wholesale prices have risen significantly.

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The figures they announced were averages across Britain for all products and payment methods,

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but every customer then got an individual letter allowing them to cancel without any penalty.

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They say Trevor's tariff was a limited online offer

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and even though prices had to increase, it will still track 2% below standard direct debit prices.

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Energy price comparison experts say rather than settling for higher bills, consumers should think

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about switching supplier as there's still big money to be saved.

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The energy companies have made it incredibly complicated

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to understand what tariff you're on and how much energy you use

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and it's putting a lot of people off wanting to get involved. Don't give up. If you do, they will win

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and you will forego that 15% or 20% you'd cut off your bill.

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The good news is it's getting easier, the regulator's making them simplify their tariff structures.

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But is the British public getting the energy switching message?

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-Do you ever shop around for different tariffs?

-Oh, yes.

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I do. I do all the time.

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-But are you aware of how many tariffs there are within each company?

-No, I'm not.

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But I'd sooner stick to what I do.

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-So you might be able to save a bit of money?

-Perhaps so, but I haven't got a computer or anything,

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so I just carry on the way I am.

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I've tried to get my tariff fixed,

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so I did a bit of online research just to get a feel for the prices before I committed to anything.

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-How long did you get it fixed for?

-A year.

-So you were ahead of the game.

-Every penny counts!

-Sure does.

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Trevor's now swapped his tariff for a fixed one, but he's worried prices may go up again.

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To me, there just seems to be something rotten in the energy industry and their prices.

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If nothing changes, there's nothing to stop them doing this over and over again.

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But he doesn't think any individual energy company is a bad apple.

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He'd like to see all their prices overhauled, root and branch.

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Well, we can't all work out our bills as well as Trevor,

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so if you'd like a bit of help, you can find advice on our website:

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Now when it comes to choosing your energy supplier, we always say shop around for the best deal.

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But the energy companies don't always make the process and tariffs clear, so it's easy to see

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why our next viewer, Jeannie Day, got caught out.

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When she listened to the salesman, she thought she'd got a better deal, but that's not how it turned out.

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One or two pieces, Rebecca?

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Jeannie Day spends her time looking after her three children and training to be a primary teacher.

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She keeps on top of her finances, so when she got a higher than expected bill from Scottish Power

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she looked into switching her supplier.

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I looked into the price comparison sites, found a good deal with Eon. I'm on the ball with my bills.

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I like to get a good bargain.

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I found Eon, who were a lot cheaper, and changed to them.

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But when Jeannie told Scottish Power that she was leaving them for a fixed rate with another provider,

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they gave her some very convincing reasons why she should stay with them and they seemed to promise

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that her bills would stay at a set rate every month.

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I kept asking him, "Is this the same as you are guaranteeing you are capping my direct debit?"

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He kept replying, "Yes, we'll cap your unit prices, you're not going to end up with a big bill."

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This is what I wanted to hear and he was telling me what I wanted to hear.

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So Jeannie agreed to switch back to Scottish Power because the deal they offered sounded so good.

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I thought he was fixing the direct debit, the energy price...

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To me, they were one and the same thing.

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My energy, if this is how much I'm using a year,

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then they can work out a figure of how much I should be paying and divide it by 12 months.

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That's what I thought I was getting.

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What she was actually getting wasn't what she thought,

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but with energy bills it's not easy to figure out what you've been charged.

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There is a formula on the back of your bill, but you have to be a very bright spark to work it out!

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It's hard enough to say, let alone understand,

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which is why Jeannie put her faith in the Scottish Power salesman

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and why she was horrified when her next bill was more than twice what she was expecting.

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I was so cross with them for lying to me by saying, "Come back to us. We'll give you a better price."

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And then, of course, it ended up being over double.

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So had Jeannie just misunderstood? Luckily, she thought of a way to check.

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I contacted Scottish Power and reminded them that they tape calls.

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Could they send me a copy of the recording of the call?

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Jeannie listened back to her conversation with Scottish Power. So can we and it's easy to see

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why Jeannie got the wrong idea.

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She tried to confirm whether her direct debit would stay the same.

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That was wrong because, in fact, the salesman couldn't see her usage

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and had no idea whether her direct debit would fluctuate or not.

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Jeannie was left firmly believing her payments wouldn't change

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and although she was given the right information at the end of the call, by then the damage had been done.

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When he was doing the terms and conditions with me, and said the units can fluctuate,

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I'd been on the phone a long time by then, listening with half an ear, and I did agree to them.

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After she'd complained, Scottish Power sent Jeannie a letter saying she had been mis-sold her tariff.

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She was able to cancel and take up the one she'd been talked out of with Eon,

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but when we contacted Scottish Power, they said it was unfortunate that the term mis-sold was used.

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They feel their agent did fully explain that payments wouldn't be fixed and Jeannie had agreed,

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but they admit that they've identified areas where this sale could have been improved

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and they could have done more to accurately estimate future payments.

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They don't believe Jeannie was misled, but are sorry for the problems she experienced.

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-At the moment it's on 71.

-It's all very confusing.

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To help Jeannie keep a lid on her bills, we gave her a meter

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so she can see which appliances in her house are using the most power.

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Turn the oven on, 180.

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297.

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But she's frustrated by the energy she's wasted toing and froing between companies

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because of a mistake she thinks should never have happened.

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If he'd have told me how much it was going to be, I would never have gone back to them.

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I just didn't want to be paying that amount, which is why I'd left.

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According to Which, nearly half of us have been phoned by an energy company in the last 12 months.

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And 6 out of 10 people called said they felt pressured into switching.

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Louise Hanson from Which has some top tips on how to avoid the hard sell and to make sure

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that switching your energy supplier really pays off.

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The cheapest way to pay your bill is usually monthly direct debit.

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Pre-payment meters are often the most expensive, so phone your energy company to find out how to change.

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Dual fuel tariffs, where you pay the same company for your gas and electricity, can be cheaper

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and having an online tariff can also make a significant difference.

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Fixed tariffs will guarantee the price you pay for your energy, which may help you plan your bills,

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but often these are more expensive than non-fixed tariffs.

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Off-peak tariffs are good for people who use a lot of electricity at night, like for storage heating.

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Some fixed tariffs have significant exit fees, so do check the new deal you are interested in

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as it may not be worth switching.

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You may want to switch because you've seen attractive discounts offered,

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but check the terms and conditions because sometimes you only get the discount after a year.

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Another important thing to remember is to make sure bills are accurate.

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Take your own meter reading every other month and send it in.

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This means you're not paying more than you need to for your bills.

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There are hundreds of different energy tariffs on offer. If you're unhappy, vote with your feet.

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Go to a switching site, look around and choose a much better tariff for you.

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Coming up on Rip-Off Britain: when we asked you to get in touch and tell us about being ripped-off,

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we were overwhelmed with your letters, emails and phone calls.

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Plus our one-stop advice shop hears your gripes and dishes out invaluable advice from the experts.

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They sent me a bill for over £1,000 for one month.

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Now back to gas and electricity.

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The thing about our energy bills that's often the most baffling is what you actually should be paying.

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With a variety of pricing structures it's hardly surprising so many of us feel a bit in the dark.

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So we took some power to the people and we visited a village where the locals are working together

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to get the best deals.

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This is the village of Marshfield in South Gloucestershire.

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Like the rest of the country, its residents are trying to safely navigate through what can seem

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a very bewildering range of energy tariffs. They're keen to find ways to save money, bring bills down

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and not get ripped off.

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Prices go up, but it's not clear what you can do to reduce prices.

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But unlike most of the rest of us, the villagers here are thinking bigger than their individual costs.

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Karen Wilkinson is secretary of the local parish council and is keen

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to find ways for the community to produce energy for itself.

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We're thinking we'll have two strands. One is around how do we help people to reduce bills

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and how do we deal with reducing their overall usage of energy.

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And the other side is what can we do as a community to look at actually producing our own energy.

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But that won't be easy, so RipOff Britain lends a hand.

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We've sent in a team of experts to answer their energy questions and help the locals come up with

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the best options for the village as a whole. First, Paul Keightley.

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I'll point out what grants are available, why they should switch.

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Next, Caroline Joseph from Solar2Energy.

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I hope to get the message across to look very carefully before they spend money on solar.

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And, finally, Graham Ayling from the Energy Saving Trust.

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Today I'll be talking about what they can do together as a community to save energy, save on fuel bills.

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They're meeting as many locals as they can, starting with Brian, who used to work in utilities.

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But even with his wealth of experience, he still struggles to understand his energy bills.

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I have difficulty with making a level comparison of the prices and tariffs on offer.

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There's probably over 400 different tariffs available.

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There's a football tariff where you can get tickets for a match!

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Our experts are straight in with some advice.

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Really get into the habit of reading your own meter. If you look at your bill and see a meter reading

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with "est" afterwards, that means estimated. They've made that up.

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They've guessed how much you've used and that's no use to you.

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Everybody should look to switch their tariffs every two years or so, maybe more often than that.

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Switching your energy company is still the best way to bring down your bills.

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According to the website uSwitch, you can save as much as £458 a year

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just by switching energy supplier, but there are plenty of other ways to bring down your energy costs.

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Our experts tell Karen about the range of grants and energy-saving schemes around,

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which save money for a small investment.

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For starters, a government-backed scheme to help reduce how much energy we use.

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It's the Carbon Emissions Reduction Target or, for short, CERT.

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That requires energy suppliers to provide you with energy-saving products and services,

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including insulation. You can get that for free if you're over 70 or if you're on state benefits.

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For those who don't fit that criteria, you can get up to 70% off.

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-So do you go to your energy provider for that as the first port of call?

-Yes.

-Right.

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At the Energy Saving Trust, we have the Grants Information Database.

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It basically helps match you up with the best deal.

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You could also save by getting cavity wall or loft insulation

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and that could bring your bills down by as much as £175 a year.

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The villagers still have lots of questions for our experts,

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so Karen has arranged a big meeting at the local.

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One of the things they're keen to discuss is solar power.

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Though the government has announced plans to cut the amount you could save by investing in solar panels,

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over time you can still generate a decent return.

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As a community, we've been talking about buying a field and installing solar panels all over it.

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-Can you give us some advice?

-You certainly can do that.

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If you wanted to look at it as an investment that had a return,

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then as a community, you could set up a limited company

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or a charitable organisation between you and run it in that way.

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There are some good examples around of communities working together to do this kind of thing.

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There's one in West Oxford where the community have set up a non-profit business that they own and run.

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All of the profit from those systems running and generating energy goes back into the business

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and depending on what the aims of that business are,

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the money goes back into the community or into more energy saving and renewable energy.

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After the meeting, does Karen think the residents have picked up enough tips

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to help them move in the right direction?

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I think the day went really well. People were able to ask individual questions.

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There are things that we can do as a community, we can work out, it's not too complex to try to tackle.

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We can try and make things work for all of us and not just for certain segments of the community,

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which has been our concern as a parish council.

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We're back at our pop-up shop in Manchester.

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It's been set up for a weekend of consumer advice from a selection of experts

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in fields varying from travel to utilities.

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And one of the things that stands out above almost everything else is the cost of utility bills.

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People feel really upset about the amount they're having to pay.

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They think in many cases the charges are quite outrageous.

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Our utilities expert Scott Byrom has had a very busy desk.

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They sent me a bill for over £1,000 for one month.

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-So this is a commercial property, business energy and they're billing you £1,000 a month?

-A month, yes.

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So I rang up and complained, then they said, "We'll have a look at it."

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-They sent me another bill for £600 for the same time period.

-Right. For one month?

-Yes.

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'There are clearly a lot of utility mistakes going on out there, just as our next story shows.

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'Janet had been paying her energy bills by direct debit,

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'only to find she was still in for a shock.'

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In January 2010, I was surprised when I got a bill for £400,

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saying that I was in arrears of £400 and that they were going to take it out the following month.

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I thought, "Fair enough if I've not been paying enough."

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I did pay that off.

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They increased my direct debit payments,

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then in the summer they wrote to me saying I was now in credit.

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'Now Janet was in credit, the utility company cut her direct debit to £48 a month.'

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So consequently again, after this winter, I received a huge bill

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because we had such a harsh winter of £700 in arrears

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which they just want to take out the following month.

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This kind of thing shouldn't happen? They are at fault for handling her like that?

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The idea of a monthly direct debit is it's balanced throughout the year.

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I don't understand why they've changed your direct debit

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from £120 down to £48.

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That's a huge dip,

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especially when energy prices are increasing.

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The first thing I'd advise you do is make sure the meter is correct.

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Take a meter reading, leave it for a week and read what it is again.

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On average, at this time of year, for your electricity, it should be about nine kilowatt hours a day.

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For your gas, it should be about 45.

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That should then identify whether your meter is running correctly

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and indicates whether this debt that you're now in is yours to pay.

0:25:400:25:45

The general advice is to be more proactive about your energy bill,

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so if you're on top of it, you're taking your own meter readings,

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you should be aware of how much you're paying,

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and hopefully, you'll avoid finding yourself £600 in debt.

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Janet, good advice there, I think, and with a bit of luck, it shouldn't happen again.

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-Let's hope not. Thanks for coming in.

-Thank you very much.

-Cheers. Bye.

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It's fairly commonplace these days if you have an insurance policy for your house or your car

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for it to be automatically renewed by the provider without you having to do anything at all,

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which is quite convenient for those of us who have busy lives,

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but here's a cautionary tale that shows just how vital it is for you not to let them seduce you

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into thinking they're doing you a favour,

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especially if they renew your policy with a letter that's marked "no action required",

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because after reading the small print, you might want to take some very firm action indeed.

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Barry Lennox became a widower two years ago.

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It was a steep learning curve for him to take on all of the chores that his wife had done previously.

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I now have to do all the work in the house,

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the washing, ironing, washing-up, cooking and the garden.

0:27:040:27:08

I can understand the amount of work she did.

0:27:080:27:11

One task he never worried about was the plumbing and he hoped that would still be the case

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because he had an insurance policy for ten years

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to cover any emergency repairs to pipework, drains and such like.

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I now like to have a policy such as the one that I had with HomeServe which gives me peace of mind.

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If anything goes wrong, I can get things sorted out quickly.

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With 7.5 million policies, HomeServe is one of the biggest home emergency insurance companies.

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They were recently in the news after suspending their entire sales force

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amid allegations of mis-selling.

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But Barry's issue with them is about something else entirely.

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He has only claimed on his HomeServe policy once and was very happy with the service,

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but then in March 2011, he got his renewal papers through.

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On the front, it said his policy had been upgraded and that he needed to take no action.

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It was only when I turned over and looked down to the back of the paper,

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I found that my direct debit appeared to be rather high.

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I went to my bank statements and checked and found that it had gone up by 33%.

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Worse still, the letter gave the date on which the first payment would have been taken

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from his account which, by the time Barry received it, had already passed.

0:28:300:28:36

They had already taken off the first direct debit from my bank account

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which shocked me because I had had no prior notice

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that the premiums would be increased so I was rather annoyed about that.

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# It ain't what you do, it's the way that you do it... #

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Barry is no stranger to campaigning.

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A former resident of Zimbabwe, he's one of a group of ex-civil servants

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fighting for their pensions to be reinstated after they were stopped by President Mugabe's regime,

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so Barry didn't hesitate in taking action and contacted HomeServe to complain.

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# That's what gets results... #

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If you're going to emphasise something like an increase in benefits,

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you should also emphasise the fact that there's a cost to that and the premiums will increase accordingly.

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The annoying part about it was the complete absence of any reference to increased premiums.

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If that had happened, I wouldn't probably have been so annoyed.

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Barry cancelled the policy and put in a claim to get his money back

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under the Direct Debit Guarantee Scheme.

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That means that you write to your bank to dispute a payment and they must refund the amount to you.

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It's then down to the bank to get the money back from the company concerned.

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Settling Barry's claim took a lot longer than it had for them to take the money out,

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around four weeks, but in the end, he did get his money back.

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The guarantee scheme for direct debits has worked for me.

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I was very grateful to my bank and I thanked them for it.

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I was very disappointed they had to wait so long to get their money back

0:30:110:30:15

HomeServe told us they're sorry for what happened

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and it's standard practice to inform customers of their policy renewal

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at least three weeks before the date of renewal with pricing on the front page.

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As Barry didn't receive that letter, they say their understanding is that it got lost in the post.

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They also told us that in future they'll be removing the "no action required" message

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from their renewal documents.

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But it's made Barry concerned that other policy holders may not notice

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when a company increases their direct debit payments.

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I think it must happen to a lot of people.

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Once they've got a direct debit, they're not going to go to the hassle of changing them.

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They'll take advantage of that and hopefully by putting the stamp on, "no action required",

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people will not take action.

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With more information on how to make sure that you're getting the best out of any insurance policies,

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here's David Cresswell from the Financial Ombudsman Service.

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If you're taking out home cover for the first time, before you rush to buy a new policy,

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just ask yourself whether or not you're actually already covered

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because you might find that your household insurance already covers you for your boiler or your pipework

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or if you've got a newish boiler,

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you might find that it's already got a warranty that will cover you.

0:31:390:31:43

Be honest about why you're taking ou this cover.

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Insurance is all about real emergencies.

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It's not just because your boiler is getting elderly

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and you're worried about the fact you haven't maintained it very well.

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Insurance isn't going to get you a new boiler on the cheap.

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Remember, cheapest isn't always the best.

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Every policy is going to be very different

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and will have different benefits, largely depending on how much you're prepared to pay.

0:32:090:32:15

When you come to renew the insurance cover at the end of the year,

0:32:160:32:21

don't just do it automatically.

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Look at the paperwork you've been sent, see how much it's going to cost next year

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and compare that with what you paid in the previous year.

0:32:280:32:32

It might have gone up and you might want to know why.

0:32:320:32:35

That might be a trigger to shopping around and seeing if you could get a better deal.

0:32:350:32:41

If the worst happens and you have to make a claim on your home emergency cover,

0:32:410:32:46

it's really important that you don't just rush out and organise for a plumber to come in and help you.

0:32:460:32:52

You must get in touch with the insurance company first.

0:32:520:32:55

Every year, the Ombudsman looks at lots of complaints where the insurance company rejects the claim

0:32:550:33:01

because the consumer got their own plumber, rather than talking to the insurance company first.

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At a time when money is tighter than ever,

0:33:100:33:14

you need to know that your cash is working hard for you, avoiding rip-offs along the way,

0:33:140:33:19

so we've put together a booklet of tips and advice to help safeguard your money.

0:33:190:33:25

You can find a link to the free guide on our website.

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Or to receive a copy in the post,

0:33:320:33:34

send an A5 self-addressed envelope to the address that we'll be giving at the end of the programme.

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Undoubtedly, the largest number of complaints we get from our viewers

0:33:420:33:46

is all to do with energy prices, the lack of clarity from the energy companies,

0:33:460:33:51

the confusion about tariffs, how many tariffs there are and how to read your own bill correctly,

0:33:510:33:58

so today, I've come to Energy UK to talk to Christine McGourty

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to see if she can shed some light on the huge mix of energy tariffs.

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Christine, most of our viewers seem to not be able to read their bills, myself included. Can you read yours?

0:34:080:34:14

I can read mine, but I work in the industry, so you'd expect that.

0:34:140:34:19

But there is a lot of information on bills.

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You have to have your last meter reading, your latest meter reading, gas, electricity,

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which tariff you're on, your energy consumption.

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There's a lot of stuff on there and a lot of it is required to be there by the regulator,

0:34:310:34:36

-but the companies are working hard t make it as simple as possible.

-Bills are soaring, profits are soaring.

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That is very confusing and annoying for the consumer

0:34:420:34:46

because it's all this, "We're going to do this, we might do that," while your shareholders are pocketing.

0:34:460:34:53

That's absolutely not the case and if you look at the detail on profits

0:34:530:34:57

pound for pound, companies invest more every year than what they make in profit.

0:34:570:35:02

But let's talk about help. There is a huge amount being done this winter to help the most vulnerable people..

0:35:020:35:08

-For example?

-..which everyone is concerned about.

0:35:080:35:12

For example, 200 million being spent on a wide range of initiatives

0:35:120:35:16

that includes, for example, an automatic £120 off your bill

0:35:160:35:20

for the 600,000 poorest pensioners,

0:35:200:35:23

several million, I think it's around four million letters going out

0:35:230:35:27

to try and reach the priority customers and get them insulation.

0:35:270:35:31

Insulation is not a big, sexy headline story,

0:35:310:35:34

but it will save these people hundreds of pounds year after year.

0:35:340:35:38

You say you're making moves and the big companies are working together.

0:35:380:35:43

You all seem to be in cahoots with each other. One puts the tariff up, the next one follows suit.

0:35:430:35:48

It's like you have a collective monopoly over the entire business, not enough competition.

0:35:480:35:54

Many think that Ofgem should just split the whole business up

0:35:540:35:58

and really enforce more open competition.

0:35:580:36:01

The appearance may be very different from reality.

0:36:010:36:05

We know the market is competitive an we urge people to take advantage of it by getting the best deal for them

0:36:050:36:11

If you've never switched before, you can save hundreds of pounds.

0:36:110:36:15

You make it sound simple - you can just switch and get a better deal.

0:36:150:36:19

Ofgem, two years ago, told the big companies

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that you had 200 different tariffs on the market and to stop that.

0:36:220:36:26

Now it's 400 different tariffs.

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What chance do I or a more vulnerable person, what chance do we have of sorting that out?

0:36:280:36:35

I don't think you're moving fast enough towards what you're saying.

0:36:350:36:39

I think the companies take this extremely seriously

0:36:390:36:43

and they do recognise there are areas in which consumers expect more

0:36:430:36:47

One example, one company has recentl just slashed its number of tariffs by about a third

0:36:470:36:53

and there will be more changes next year to bills, to annual statements.

0:36:530:36:57

The regulator is changing the way tariffs are going to work,

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so there are lots of things happening and I expect we will see more big changes next year.

0:37:010:37:07

That's what the industry has to say for itself,

0:37:080:37:11

but what about the regulator, Ofgem?

0:37:110:37:14

We've heard how they've criticised the energy companies in the past,

0:37:140:37:18

so what are they going to do to bring down or simplify our bills?

0:37:180:37:23

Ian, this is one of the biggest issues that we're dealing with on RipOff Britain,

0:37:230:37:28

so thank you for making the time to talk about it.

0:37:280:37:31

From our mailbag, it is evident that people are subjected to ever increasing bills,

0:37:310:37:37

yet the energy companies' profits are going up and up. The average person finds that hard to equate.

0:37:370:37:43

You're the regulator and many would say that you're not regulating on that issue. Why not?

0:37:430:37:49

First, it's for the companies to justify their own price increases,

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but we need to recognise that we are in an environment

0:37:530:37:57

of rising wholesale prices, so the price that the companies do pay

0:37:570:38:01

for the electricity and gas that they're going to provide on to their customers is rising.

0:38:010:38:07

For example, our latest report shows

0:38:070:38:09

that gas prices this winter are 40% higher than last winter.

0:38:090:38:15

Assuming that the energy companies have passed that pricing on to the customer,

0:38:150:38:20

nevertheless, the bottom line is the energy companies are just rising all the time in profits.

0:38:200:38:26

I'm afraid, from a consumer's point of view, myself included,

0:38:260:38:30

I look at that and I really balk at that

0:38:300:38:33

because it always seems to go the way of the energy companies and never the way of the customer.

0:38:330:38:39

There is competition in this market that should put pressure on prices, profits and quality of service.

0:38:390:38:45

In our report earlier this year, we found that competition was being stifled

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through a combination of poor supplier behaviour and the complexit of the tariffs out there,

0:38:510:38:57

therefore, we need to put through a range of reforms

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to really make this market much simpler for consumers

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to understand whether they're on the best deal.

0:39:040:39:07

-What else are you suggesting?

-For standard tariffs,

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we will set a standardised standing charge,

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then all the companies will compete on is a single unit price,

0:39:140:39:18

so for people on standard tariffs, all they'll need to do is at a glanc compare one number from one company

0:39:180:39:24

against one number from another company

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and they will know that if they go with the lower number, they will be on the cheaper deal.

0:39:260:39:32

It's really important that the companies recognise that there i a lack of confidence in this market.

0:39:320:39:38

Not just a lack, there is no confidence.

0:39:380:39:42

Confidence has hit rock bottom. That's what the surveys are saying.

0:39:420:39:46

It's in the companies' control to restore that confidence

0:39:460:39:49

and the best way they can do that is to back our reforms,

0:39:490:39:53

so we can get those benefits to consumers as quickly as possible.

0:39:530:39:57

Is your bite sufficient? Should the government be giving you more powers?

0:39:570:40:02

-We do think there are things that we could have more powers for.

-Like what?

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At the moment, if companies are misbehaving and are found in breach of their obligations,

0:40:070:40:12

we have the ability to fine the companies, as we have done in a few cases very recently,

0:40:120:40:18

but we don't have the powers to give compensation back to consumers.

0:40:180:40:23

Couldn't you force the companies to give compensation to the consumer?

0:40:230:40:27

At the moment, we don't have that power.

0:40:270:40:30

What we're asking from the government is the power

0:40:300:40:34

to be able to both give the redress to consumers, as well as giving the fines to the companies.

0:40:340:40:39

-It's a question of watch this space and I think I'll be back to see you next year.

-Thank you.

-Thank you.

0:40:390:40:45

At Rip-Off Britain, we're always ready to investigate more of your stories.

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Confused over your bills, trying to wade your way

0:40:520:40:55

through never-ending small print that leaves you totally confused?

0:40:550:41:00

I might have been stupid for not reading it or I've read it and not taken it in.

0:41:000:41:05

I could kick myself. I really could.

0:41:050:41:07

Unsure what to do when you discover you've lost out

0:41:070:41:10

and that great deal has ended up costing you money?

0:41:100:41:14

I thought, "This cannot be true. It's totally unacceptable." I was so angry.

0:41:140:41:19

You might have a cautionary tale of your own and want to share the mistakes you made with us,

0:41:190:41:25

so others don't do the same thing.

0:41:250:41:27

No-one knows about this, so this is very strange. I really would like to get this much clearer.

0:41:270:41:33

You can always write to us at...

0:41:330:41:36

Or you can get in touch by sending us an email to...

0:41:430:41:47

Don't forget, the Rip-Off team is ready and waiting to investigate your stories.

0:41:520:41:57

From today's stories, it's obvious our energy companies don't always make things easy for us,

0:41:580:42:04

but when the cost of keeping warm is such a financial burden,

0:42:040:42:08

we need our bills and tariffs to be as simple to understand as possible.

0:42:080:42:12

We certainly do and if you get bad service, don't put up with it.

0:42:120:42:16

Switching suppliers is not that complicated, though a lot of people still haven't done it.

0:42:160:42:22

Just don't be afraid to take your business elsewhere.

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That's what I did last year due to this programme.

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I hope you'll join us again when we'll be investigating even more of your stories

0:42:290:42:34

and showing you how to avoid being ripped off.

0:42:340:42:37

-Until next time, thank you for your company and see you soon.

-Bye-bye.

-Goodbye.

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