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'We asked you to tell us who's left you feeling ripped off.' | 0:00:02 | 0:00:06 | |
I think this is very, very, very wrong for what they have done. | 0:00:06 | 0:00:09 | |
The bank piles charges upon charges upon charges. | 0:00:09 | 0:00:13 | |
Legally, it was right. Morally, that's where the question of doubt comes in my view. | 0:00:13 | 0:00:18 | |
'And you contacted us in your thousands | 0:00:18 | 0:00:21 | |
'by post, email, even stopping us in the streets. And the message couldn't be clearer.' | 0:00:21 | 0:00:28 | |
-You don't get a straight answer, they try and fob you off. -I'm not happy at all. | 0:00:28 | 0:00:32 | |
-There's always that small print with the clause that you didn't realise. -We're being ripped off big time. | 0:00:32 | 0:00:38 | |
'Whether it's a deliberate rip off, | 0:00:38 | 0:00:40 | |
'a simple mistake or a catch in the small print, | 0:00:40 | 0:00:43 | |
'we'll find out why you're out of pocket and, indeed, what you can do about it.' | 0:00:43 | 0:00:48 | |
Keep asking the questions, go to the top if you have to. | 0:00:48 | 0:00:51 | |
We do get results. That's the interesting thing. | 0:00:51 | 0:00:54 | |
'Your stories, your money. This is Rip-Off Britain.' | 0:00:54 | 0:00:58 | |
Hello and welcome to Rip-Off Britain, | 0:01:00 | 0:01:03 | |
the series that takes on the companies and the consumer problems that you've told us about | 0:01:03 | 0:01:07 | |
and then investigates the rip offs. | 0:01:07 | 0:01:10 | |
Many of you feel bamboozled by confusing price structures, | 0:01:10 | 0:01:14 | |
small print and slick sales talk, | 0:01:14 | 0:01:16 | |
but it's often the everyday things that really get your goat and end up costing you the most. | 0:01:16 | 0:01:22 | |
You're so right. And this is something you'll identify with, | 0:01:22 | 0:01:25 | |
because one of the issues we're investigating today is motorway services | 0:01:25 | 0:01:29 | |
and the price hikes when it comes to buying food and drinks. | 0:01:29 | 0:01:32 | |
It's an issue we're all aware of, but a trap we still fall into. | 0:01:32 | 0:01:35 | |
However, the big question is, why do they charge so much more? | 0:01:35 | 0:01:39 | |
Today we're going to be finding out. | 0:01:39 | 0:01:42 | |
'Also coming up on today's show, has travelling by rail in Britain become just too expensive?' | 0:01:44 | 0:01:51 | |
I haven't had a pay rise for two or three years and it's just getting to the point | 0:01:51 | 0:01:55 | |
where I can't afford to go to work. | 0:01:55 | 0:01:58 | |
'And when we went on the road and opened up our pop-up shop, | 0:01:58 | 0:02:02 | |
'you seized the chance to sound off in our specially-built gripe box.' | 0:02:02 | 0:02:06 | |
What I don't like is when you ring up customer services | 0:02:06 | 0:02:09 | |
and then none of them's got the right information on the screen | 0:02:09 | 0:02:13 | |
and you still get nowhere in the end, wasting money on phone bills. | 0:02:13 | 0:02:16 | |
If you've ever visited a motorway service station which, let's face it, most of us have, | 0:02:16 | 0:02:22 | |
then the chances are that you've come away feeling that you've paid a high price for stopping off for a snack. | 0:02:22 | 0:02:28 | |
In fact, a recent survey in What Car? magazine | 0:02:28 | 0:02:30 | |
found that two thirds of the people asked felt ripped off when they'd been to one | 0:02:30 | 0:02:35 | |
and a further 25 percent thought that prices were way too high. | 0:02:35 | 0:02:39 | |
So, highway robbery or just market forces? | 0:02:39 | 0:02:42 | |
We sent a coach-load of hungry football fans to find out. | 0:02:42 | 0:02:47 | |
'Britain's motorways apparently used to be THE in place to hang out. | 0:02:50 | 0:02:55 | |
'Rocks stars, celebrities and the elite headed to these rest stops | 0:02:55 | 0:03:00 | |
'for the thrill of the open road and a hint of glamour. | 0:03:00 | 0:03:03 | |
'Nowadays you don't need to be a star to eat at a service station, | 0:03:03 | 0:03:06 | |
'but it does help if you can earn their money. | 0:03:06 | 0:03:10 | |
'Today we're joining Michael Clark and 50 other dedicated Macclesfield Town supporters | 0:03:12 | 0:03:18 | |
'as they travel to an away match in Torquay.' | 0:03:18 | 0:03:21 | |
THEY SING | 0:03:21 | 0:03:25 | |
'The 250-mile journey is one of their longest of the season. | 0:03:25 | 0:03:29 | |
'It's going to take around seven hours and they're going to need a couple of stops | 0:03:29 | 0:03:33 | |
'so who better to put service station prices to the test on our Rip Off Pit Stop? | 0:03:33 | 0:03:38 | |
'Our squad have agreed to stop off at the services en route | 0:03:42 | 0:03:47 | |
'and buy a range of standard items. | 0:03:47 | 0:03:49 | |
'We'll check these prices against what you'd be charged | 0:03:54 | 0:03:57 | |
'in a typical high street branch of the same store, just to see how they compare. | 0:03:57 | 0:04:02 | |
'Michael is collecting the evidence.' | 0:04:02 | 0:04:05 | |
-Well, John, what did you buy? -I bought a packet of chewing gum. | 0:04:05 | 0:04:09 | |
-And have you got the receipt? -I have. | 0:04:09 | 0:04:11 | |
-And what did you pay for that? -It was 79p. | 0:04:11 | 0:04:14 | |
'That's 79p in WH Smith's, | 0:04:15 | 0:04:18 | |
'but we found the same item on sale in a high street WH Smith's for 62p. | 0:04:18 | 0:04:24 | |
-'That's a difference of 27%!' -ALL: What a rip off! | 0:04:24 | 0:04:29 | |
'Next up, Dave, who went for something a bit sweeter.' | 0:04:29 | 0:04:33 | |
I got some Wine Gums and I wasn't very happy with the price. | 0:04:33 | 0:04:36 | |
-What was the price? -£2.69. | 0:04:36 | 0:04:39 | |
'So, £2.69 for Wine Gums in WH Smith's. | 0:04:39 | 0:04:43 | |
'Yet the same item in the high street branch was just £2.42. | 0:04:43 | 0:04:47 | |
'That's a difference of 11%.' | 0:04:47 | 0:04:50 | |
Well, my beloved, what did you buy?' | 0:04:50 | 0:04:53 | |
I had to buy this water because I forgot to bring mine. | 0:04:53 | 0:04:56 | |
-An absolute rip off. -How much did you pay for it? -£2.09. | 0:04:56 | 0:05:01 | |
'£2.09. But we found the same bottle | 0:05:01 | 0:05:04 | |
'in WH Smith's on the high street for exactly £1! | 0:05:04 | 0:05:09 | |
'A difference of 109%. | 0:05:09 | 0:05:12 | |
'Premier league prices so far! | 0:05:12 | 0:05:15 | |
'A recent survey by What Car? magazine found that Burger King charge on average | 0:05:16 | 0:05:21 | |
'12% more at a service station than they would for the same product on the high street. | 0:05:21 | 0:05:26 | |
-'And M&S were charging 25% more on the motorway for some items.' -ALL: How much? | 0:05:26 | 0:05:33 | |
Whenever we go on long journeys, we do always bring our own food | 0:05:33 | 0:05:37 | |
with snacks and everything, but you can't bring hot drinks. | 0:05:37 | 0:05:40 | |
We've just had two teas and that was £4.48. For two teas. | 0:05:40 | 0:05:46 | |
'You can buy a big box of PG Tips for £2.25. | 0:05:46 | 0:05:51 | |
270 tea bags. | 0:05:51 | 0:05:53 | |
-So how do they get the price for them? It's disgusting, isn't it? -Yeah. | 0:05:53 | 0:05:57 | |
'And it's not just food and drink that are top of the table. | 0:05:59 | 0:06:02 | |
'The What Car? survey found that, on average, | 0:06:02 | 0:06:05 | |
'petrol was 7.4% higher on the motorway. | 0:06:05 | 0:06:09 | |
'On to the next services where our test continues.' | 0:06:12 | 0:06:16 | |
-John, what did you buy today? -Well, Michael, I bought one of these energy drinks for £2.29, | 0:06:16 | 0:06:22 | |
which I think, for one drink, is absolutely scandalous. | 0:06:22 | 0:06:26 | |
'£2.29 for an energy drink from Waitrose | 0:06:26 | 0:06:30 | |
'which on the high street we found at £1.45. | 0:06:30 | 0:06:33 | |
'That's a difference of 58%.' | 0:06:33 | 0:06:36 | |
-I was naughty and went and had a burger meal. -How much was the burger meal? | 0:06:36 | 0:06:39 | |
-£5.09. -£5.09? | 0:06:39 | 0:06:43 | |
'£5.09 for a meal from Burger King | 0:06:43 | 0:06:48 | |
'which on the high street was £3.49. | 0:06:48 | 0:06:51 | |
'That's a difference of 46%. | 0:06:51 | 0:06:54 | |
'What Car? journalist Will Nightingale says their survey found | 0:06:57 | 0:07:00 | |
'service station prices were often offside.' | 0:07:00 | 0:07:03 | |
Motorway service stations point out that a service station is expensive to build, about £25 million, | 0:07:03 | 0:07:09 | |
and they have to claw this money back somehow. | 0:07:09 | 0:07:11 | |
That's justification to a certain extent. | 0:07:11 | 0:07:13 | |
I don't think motorists would mind paying a couple of pence extra | 0:07:13 | 0:07:17 | |
on a bottle of water or similar. | 0:07:17 | 0:07:19 | |
But when we're talking about twice the price, that's just ridiculous. | 0:07:19 | 0:07:23 | |
'We spoke to both Welcome Break and Moto, | 0:07:23 | 0:07:26 | |
'the owners of the two services that we stopped at, | 0:07:26 | 0:07:29 | |
'and asked them why prices in their shops were so high. | 0:07:29 | 0:07:33 | |
'They said they operate under restrictions that don't apply on the high street. | 0:07:33 | 0:07:37 | |
'For example, they need to be open 24 hours | 0:07:37 | 0:07:40 | |
'and to offer free facilities, such as toilets, parking and play areas. | 0:07:40 | 0:07:45 | |
'In fact, Welcome Break said that two thirds of their visitors | 0:07:45 | 0:07:48 | |
'don't spend any money at all. | 0:07:48 | 0:07:51 | |
'Both said prices compare favourably with other travel venues, such as airports, | 0:07:51 | 0:07:56 | |
'that they have regular deals and special offers | 0:07:56 | 0:07:59 | |
'and that there can be ways of getting things like tea and water more cheaply than in the shops, | 0:07:59 | 0:08:04 | |
'for example, through vending machines. | 0:08:04 | 0:08:07 | |
'They also point out that it's the fuel companies who set the petrol prices and not them. | 0:08:07 | 0:08:13 | |
'And Moto flagged up that their prices are all on the website, | 0:08:13 | 0:08:18 | |
'which may not be handy when you're on the road. | 0:08:18 | 0:08:20 | |
'We also spoke to the individual stores themselves. | 0:08:20 | 0:08:24 | |
'M&S said that the higher prices reflected the fact that these stores are open longer | 0:08:24 | 0:08:29 | |
'and offer convenience for customers on the move, while Burger King, | 0:08:29 | 0:08:34 | |
'Waitrose and WH Smith all said their motorway branches were franchises | 0:08:34 | 0:08:39 | |
'so prices were set either by the franchise owners or the service station operators. | 0:08:39 | 0:08:44 | |
'It's the end of a long journey for our weary travellers, | 0:08:46 | 0:08:50 | |
'the charming seaside town of Torquay.' | 0:08:50 | 0:08:53 | |
Right, let's have your empties, then. Come on. Chop-chop! | 0:08:53 | 0:08:57 | |
'So what does Michael Clark think of the prices that they've paid along the way?' | 0:08:58 | 0:09:02 | |
The only thing I find good about service stations, to be honest, are the toilets. They're second to none. | 0:09:02 | 0:09:07 | |
They're very, very good. But apart from that, unless I was absolutely starving, | 0:09:07 | 0:09:11 | |
I would not use them because the prices are absolutely horrendous. | 0:09:11 | 0:09:15 | |
Some shocking price differences revealed there. | 0:09:15 | 0:09:19 | |
£2.09 for a bottle of water that you can buy on the high street for £1? | 0:09:19 | 0:09:23 | |
And £4.48 for two cups of tea? | 0:09:23 | 0:09:26 | |
You can see why so many people take a packed lunch and a flask. | 0:09:26 | 0:09:30 | |
Now, Britain's railway network used to be the envy of the world, | 0:09:30 | 0:09:33 | |
but nowadays it seems to make headlines for all the wrong reasons. | 0:09:33 | 0:09:38 | |
# I hear the train a-coming | 0:09:43 | 0:09:45 | |
'Images of steam trains take us back to an age of opulence and bustling platforms | 0:09:45 | 0:09:51 | |
'and the luxury of travel. | 0:09:51 | 0:09:54 | |
'Britain invented the railways, but the modern rail network faces accusations | 0:09:54 | 0:09:58 | |
'that it's becoming more profiteering than pioneering. | 0:09:58 | 0:10:03 | |
'1.4 billion train journeys were made in the UK over the last year. | 0:10:03 | 0:10:07 | |
'But passengers are becoming increasingly worried about the cost, | 0:10:07 | 0:10:11 | |
'especially since the Department of Transport announced plans to increase rail fares above inflation in 2012. | 0:10:11 | 0:10:18 | |
'Quite a blow when rail travellers here already pay 20% more for their journeys than passengers in Europe.' | 0:10:18 | 0:10:25 | |
-Do you take the train? -I drive if I can. | 0:10:25 | 0:10:28 | |
Yeah, I would prefer to drive. | 0:10:28 | 0:10:30 | |
Even with the price of petrol and diesel, | 0:10:30 | 0:10:33 | |
I still think it's cheaper than taking the train. | 0:10:33 | 0:10:38 | |
I will be standing for my half an hour journey home now, so I don't even get a seat. | 0:10:38 | 0:10:42 | |
'One such commuter is Rosie Fluin, who lives in York with her husband and young daughter. | 0:10:42 | 0:10:48 | |
'Three times a week, she makes the 20-minute train journey into Leeds.' | 0:10:48 | 0:10:53 | |
I travel to Leeds for work. I commute from York to Leeds | 0:10:53 | 0:10:56 | |
because I work for Leeds City Council three days a week. | 0:10:56 | 0:10:59 | |
I prefer to take the train because it's more environmentally friendly, more convenient and quicker. | 0:10:59 | 0:11:05 | |
It's just more expensive. | 0:11:05 | 0:11:08 | |
It costs me £14.30 a day, which is £42.90 a week, | 0:11:08 | 0:11:14 | |
which is nearly the cost of a weekly season ticket. | 0:11:14 | 0:11:17 | |
'Rosie earns £920 a month at the council, | 0:11:17 | 0:11:21 | |
'so her rail fare is taking 20 percent of her salary.' | 0:11:21 | 0:11:25 | |
In January, the train fares will be rising. | 0:11:25 | 0:11:29 | |
What it's going to mean for me is I may have to stop working, | 0:11:29 | 0:11:34 | |
or I may have to stop working in Leeds and try and get a job closer to home, | 0:11:34 | 0:11:38 | |
because I just can't absorb the costs anymore. | 0:11:38 | 0:11:41 | |
I haven't had a pay rise for two or three years | 0:11:41 | 0:11:44 | |
and it's just getting to the point where I can't afford to go to work. | 0:11:44 | 0:11:48 | |
'Rosie doesn't want to move from York as her daughter has started nursery.' | 0:11:48 | 0:11:53 | |
# Train arrives | 0:11:53 | 0:11:56 | |
'Plus, it's a good area for schools and her husband works locally. | 0:11:56 | 0:12:00 | |
'But Rosie says jobs in York are few and far between | 0:12:00 | 0:12:04 | |
'and for her, Leeds offers better prospects.' | 0:12:04 | 0:12:08 | |
I go to work cos I want to contribute to the family, | 0:12:08 | 0:12:11 | |
I want to provide for my family | 0:12:11 | 0:12:14 | |
and I want to also provide a good example to my daughter. | 0:12:14 | 0:12:18 | |
I don't want to not work. I want her to see both her parents working and that it's a good thing to do. | 0:12:18 | 0:12:24 | |
'Rip-Off Britain has arranged for Rosie to meet with her local MP, Hugh Bayley, | 0:12:25 | 0:12:29 | |
'to see what he thinks about the financial strain of taking the train.' | 0:12:29 | 0:12:33 | |
It really is a question of whether I can absorb the extra cost. | 0:12:33 | 0:12:38 | |
I'll seriously have to consider not... Giving up my job. | 0:12:38 | 0:12:41 | |
I think she's raised important issues and if people's wages aren't rising, | 0:12:41 | 0:12:45 | |
and many people have found their wages flat-lining for several years, | 0:12:45 | 0:12:50 | |
and if they're public sector people, | 0:12:50 | 0:12:52 | |
they're going to flat-line for the next two years, a lot of people will feel the pinch. | 0:12:52 | 0:12:57 | |
It particularly affects women and part-timers, people like Rosie, | 0:12:57 | 0:13:01 | |
and I think the government ought to look at bringing in regulations to allow people | 0:13:01 | 0:13:06 | |
travelling three days a week because they work three days a week to have some kind of a deduction. | 0:13:06 | 0:13:11 | |
They do it in other countries where you buy a carnet of rail tickets | 0:13:11 | 0:13:15 | |
which you can use on the days that you travel | 0:13:15 | 0:13:18 | |
and we could do something similar in Britain. | 0:13:18 | 0:13:21 | |
'One of the UK's leading commentators on transport matters, Christian Wolmar, | 0:13:21 | 0:13:26 | |
'thinks there could be another solution.' | 0:13:26 | 0:13:28 | |
The railways are very crowded at peak times, | 0:13:28 | 0:13:31 | |
particularly in London and the Southeast and other commuter areas, | 0:13:31 | 0:13:35 | |
and one of the ideas is to create a kind of third type of fare, | 0:13:35 | 0:13:39 | |
so we'd get peak fares, off-peak fares | 0:13:39 | 0:13:42 | |
and then semi-off-peak, | 0:13:42 | 0:13:44 | |
and that might help things by encouraging the people travelling at the absolute busiest times | 0:13:44 | 0:13:50 | |
to travel at a slightly less busy time, | 0:13:50 | 0:13:53 | |
maybe half an hour or an hour later, | 0:13:53 | 0:13:56 | |
and that could be a workable idea | 0:13:56 | 0:13:58 | |
as long as it's not used just to extend the peak times | 0:13:58 | 0:14:03 | |
and make it more expensive for everyone to travel. | 0:14:03 | 0:14:06 | |
'But for the moment it seems that we're stuck with expensive prices | 0:14:06 | 0:14:10 | |
'that many just can't afford. | 0:14:10 | 0:14:12 | |
'The Association of Train-Operating Companies blames rising ticket prices | 0:14:12 | 0:14:16 | |
'on the fact that the government wants to reduce | 0:14:16 | 0:14:19 | |
'the amount of taxpayers' money going into the railways, | 0:14:19 | 0:14:22 | |
'meaning tough decisions on fares have to be made | 0:14:22 | 0:14:25 | |
'to guarantee ongoing investment in more trains, faster services | 0:14:25 | 0:14:30 | |
'and better stations. | 0:14:30 | 0:14:32 | |
'But for rail travellers like Rosie, the question remains. | 0:14:32 | 0:14:36 | |
'Will spiralling fares mean that they simply won't be able to afford to travel by train any longer?' | 0:14:36 | 0:14:43 | |
The future, I still don't know. It's a bit up in the air at the moment. I'll have to see what happens. | 0:14:43 | 0:14:49 | |
Well, with rail fares set to rise by an estimated 8% in 2012, | 0:14:52 | 0:14:58 | |
how can you make sure that you really are getting the best deal when you travel? | 0:14:58 | 0:15:02 | |
Well, I travel by train quite a lot, so come on, Anthony Smith from Passenger Focus, | 0:15:02 | 0:15:06 | |
what are your money-saving tips? | 0:15:06 | 0:15:09 | |
With a little bit of planning, us passengers can save pounds on rail travel. Here's how. | 0:15:09 | 0:15:15 | |
Do a little bit a planning ahead, a bit of research. Find out when the peak and off-peak times are. | 0:15:15 | 0:15:20 | |
If you're travelling at quieter times, it can save pounds. | 0:15:20 | 0:15:23 | |
Look into getting a railcard. Young person's, senior, disabled. | 0:15:23 | 0:15:27 | |
Even on one journey, you can save money using the rail card and cover the cost of the rail card. | 0:15:27 | 0:15:31 | |
And buy your rail tickets from the train companies' own websites. | 0:15:31 | 0:15:35 | |
They often have special offers and there's no extra charges. | 0:15:35 | 0:15:39 | |
If you're travelling longer distance, it's always worth thinking about buying an advance ticket. | 0:15:41 | 0:15:46 | |
It ties you to specific trains but it can save you a lot of money. | 0:15:46 | 0:15:49 | |
Buy as soon as you can. Sometimes up to 12 weeks in advance the tickets are available. | 0:15:49 | 0:15:54 | |
But don't forget, these tickets can be bought up till six o'clock the day before travel. | 0:15:54 | 0:15:59 | |
If you've got a bit more time to do some research, | 0:16:00 | 0:16:03 | |
you can look into splitting your journey into different parts | 0:16:03 | 0:16:06 | |
so that even if you're travelling in the peak in one part of the country, you're not in the other. | 0:16:06 | 0:16:11 | |
There are various websites that can help you do this and it can save a lot of money and is perfectly legal. | 0:16:11 | 0:16:16 | |
If you're travelling more regularly to and from work, | 0:16:18 | 0:16:20 | |
look into getting a season ticket, either an annual one, a monthly one | 0:16:20 | 0:16:24 | |
or a weekly one. They offer really good discounts. | 0:16:24 | 0:16:28 | |
It can save you pounds | 0:16:28 | 0:16:30 | |
and many employers still give season ticket loans | 0:16:30 | 0:16:32 | |
which can help spread the cost. | 0:16:32 | 0:16:35 | |
If you are delayed or if things go wrong, you've got rights, you can get money back. | 0:16:36 | 0:16:41 | |
Complain to the train company in the first instance | 0:16:41 | 0:16:44 | |
and if you get stuck with them, Passenger Focus can help you out. | 0:16:44 | 0:16:47 | |
'Still to come, the family that says changes to a customer loyalty scheme | 0:16:49 | 0:16:54 | |
'have scuppered their holiday plans.' | 0:16:54 | 0:16:56 | |
I couldn't believe that after having been such a loyal customer, | 0:16:56 | 0:17:00 | |
that they were dropping this onto their collectors at such short notice. | 0:17:00 | 0:17:05 | |
'Our experts have been rushed off their feet at our pop-up shop for consumer advice.' | 0:17:05 | 0:17:11 | |
0800 numbers from a landline are free, | 0:17:11 | 0:17:13 | |
but if you phone it from a mobile, they do charge you. | 0:17:13 | 0:17:16 | |
Next, a cornerstone of British culture, the local pub. | 0:17:19 | 0:17:23 | |
A place to catch up with friends, relax over a drink, | 0:17:23 | 0:17:26 | |
and who knows, perhaps be short-changed while you're at it. | 0:17:26 | 0:17:29 | |
'Ever since the Bronze Age, we've been drinking alcohol. | 0:17:32 | 0:17:36 | |
'Well, it was probably safer than the water in those days. | 0:17:36 | 0:17:39 | |
'And here in the UK, we do like our beer in pints.' | 0:17:39 | 0:17:43 | |
Yeah, I really like coming to my local pub | 0:17:43 | 0:17:46 | |
because you get good company, you get a good pint of beer. | 0:17:46 | 0:17:49 | |
Beer is a big part of my life. | 0:17:49 | 0:17:51 | |
I work hard, I like to have a good drink and have a good time in the pub, so it's important to me. | 0:17:51 | 0:17:56 | |
I'd say one of the best things about coming to a pub like this is | 0:17:56 | 0:18:00 | |
being able to enjoy a product that you can't get at home, | 0:18:00 | 0:18:03 | |
being able to talk to other people and feeling a part of your community. | 0:18:03 | 0:18:06 | |
'A pint is equal to one eighth of a gallon | 0:18:11 | 0:18:14 | |
'and there's usually a helpful white line on the glass | 0:18:14 | 0:18:17 | |
'so that you can tell you've got the full measure. | 0:18:17 | 0:18:20 | |
'But CAMRA, the consumer group for the beer and drinks industry, | 0:18:20 | 0:18:24 | |
'says all too often drinkers are not being served the full pint. | 0:18:24 | 0:18:28 | |
'Their last survey on this a few years ago | 0:18:28 | 0:18:30 | |
'suggested a quarter of all pints were five percent short | 0:18:30 | 0:18:34 | |
'and they say the situation isn't getting better.' | 0:18:34 | 0:18:37 | |
The short pint measure means that there are actually more pints | 0:18:37 | 0:18:40 | |
being served in pubs than the government gets excise duty for. | 0:18:40 | 0:18:44 | |
200 million pints extra are probably being served because of short measure. | 0:18:44 | 0:18:50 | |
'CAMRA estimates that these short measures | 0:18:50 | 0:18:53 | |
'could be costing pub customers more than £600 million a year.' | 0:18:53 | 0:18:57 | |
The key issue for CAMRA is customers getting a full pint of beer when they go into a pub. | 0:18:57 | 0:19:02 | |
If you go into a supermarket, you get a pint of milk, you expect a pint of milk in that bottle. | 0:19:02 | 0:19:07 | |
Unfortunately, often when you go into a pub, | 0:19:07 | 0:19:10 | |
you ask for a pint of beer, you may only be served about 90 percent of a pint, the rest is froth. | 0:19:10 | 0:19:16 | |
There is still no legal definition of a pint served in a pub | 0:19:16 | 0:19:20 | |
with no real protection for the customer. | 0:19:20 | 0:19:23 | |
'Industry guidelines say that a licensee should endeavour to serve | 0:19:23 | 0:19:26 | |
'at least 95 percent liquid in a pint, | 0:19:26 | 0:19:29 | |
'but if a customer asks for a top-up, it should be given and given with good grace. | 0:19:29 | 0:19:34 | |
'But CAMRA says that doesn't always happen. | 0:19:34 | 0:19:37 | |
'So at this beer festival in Bedford, | 0:19:37 | 0:19:40 | |
'they're using a particular type of glass.' | 0:19:40 | 0:19:43 | |
We've used what are called oversized lined glasses. | 0:19:43 | 0:19:46 | |
We fill the beer right up, liquid right up to that line with the froth on the top. | 0:19:46 | 0:19:51 | |
It means the customer's got a full pint. | 0:19:51 | 0:19:54 | |
It means they don't spill the beer when they take it from the bar back to their seat, | 0:19:54 | 0:19:58 | |
so there's no sticky floors or sticky carpets there, as well, and everyone's satisfied. | 0:19:58 | 0:20:03 | |
'It's already a criminal offence to serve short measures | 0:20:03 | 0:20:06 | |
'and Trading Standards can investigate if that's what you get. But CAMRA says that's not enough.' | 0:20:06 | 0:20:12 | |
We're calling on the government to introduce legislation | 0:20:12 | 0:20:16 | |
that defines a pint as 20 fluid ounces, | 0:20:16 | 0:20:18 | |
so there's clarity for everyone, both licensees and customers. | 0:20:18 | 0:20:23 | |
Secondly, we'd advise as good practice | 0:20:23 | 0:20:26 | |
for pubs to use oversized lined glasses | 0:20:26 | 0:20:29 | |
and those oversized lined glasses should have a nice clear, broad, white line | 0:20:29 | 0:20:34 | |
where the 20 fluid ounce mark is, so everyone can see whether it's a full pint or not. | 0:20:34 | 0:20:39 | |
'The British Beer and Pub Association don't agree that drinkers need more protection, | 0:20:39 | 0:20:44 | |
'saying publicans have enough red tape without more regulations on compulsory glassware. | 0:20:44 | 0:20:49 | |
'And though they reiterate the guidelines, | 0:20:49 | 0:20:51 | |
'they say it's important to remember that beer comes with a head | 0:20:51 | 0:20:54 | |
'and customers' tastes on that vary. | 0:20:54 | 0:20:57 | |
'But CAMRA insist it should be last orders for short pints.' | 0:20:57 | 0:21:02 | |
The issue of short pints has been going on for decades, if not centuries. | 0:21:02 | 0:21:07 | |
I'm sure people were moaning about it in the time of the Romans. | 0:21:07 | 0:21:11 | |
However, in the last 30 or 40 years, it seems to have got worse. | 0:21:11 | 0:21:16 | |
You ask for a pint of beer, you should get a pint of beer, | 0:21:16 | 0:21:19 | |
not 95 percent. | 0:21:19 | 0:21:22 | |
Being out on the road, meeting so many of you face-to-face has turned out to be a revelation | 0:21:22 | 0:21:27 | |
because everybody seems to have a story to tell. | 0:21:27 | 0:21:30 | |
That's what we're here to do. We're here to listen and to help. | 0:21:30 | 0:21:33 | |
Our experts over at the shop have certainly been busy. | 0:21:33 | 0:21:36 | |
'We've been meeting so many of you | 0:21:36 | 0:21:39 | |
'and the BBC learning area has been really busy | 0:21:39 | 0:21:42 | |
'helping people gain confidence with their maths and avoid rip offs.' | 0:21:42 | 0:21:46 | |
So, our pop-up shop for Rip-Off Britain is new. So, too, is our gripe box. | 0:21:47 | 0:21:52 | |
It does look a bit like a TARDIS. It has been so popular today. | 0:21:52 | 0:21:56 | |
It's been rather difficult to get people out. | 0:21:56 | 0:21:59 | |
So they love the idea, they're in a box, contained, they can really get everything off their chest | 0:21:59 | 0:22:04 | |
What I don't like is when you ring up customer services | 0:22:04 | 0:22:08 | |
and you get through to different people every time you ring up | 0:22:08 | 0:22:11 | |
and then none of them's got the right information on the screen | 0:22:11 | 0:22:14 | |
and you get nowhere in the end, wasting money on phone bills. | 0:22:14 | 0:22:17 | |
One of the things my wife and I find extremely frustrating at home | 0:22:17 | 0:22:21 | |
is the number of unwanted telephone calls we get these days. | 0:22:21 | 0:22:25 | |
Telephone calls, unsolicited calls, sales calls. | 0:22:25 | 0:22:30 | |
Why can't 0845 numbers be straightforward, simple? | 0:22:30 | 0:22:35 | |
Whenever I want to phone up the bank or increasingly other organisations, | 0:22:35 | 0:22:40 | |
I'm being charged 40p, 50p a minute, | 0:22:40 | 0:22:44 | |
which I think is unfair | 0:22:44 | 0:22:46 | |
and it just seems to be that there aren't any options now to phone a landline. | 0:22:46 | 0:22:51 | |
'So paying for local calls at national rates seems to be a real bugbear. | 0:22:51 | 0:22:56 | |
'And Paul asked for some advice on his gripe from Trading Standards officer Sylvia Rook.' | 0:22:56 | 0:23:02 | |
-How can I help you? -Erm, well, my particular gripe | 0:23:02 | 0:23:05 | |
is with supposedly free telephone numbers, 0800 numbers. | 0:23:05 | 0:23:10 | |
I've just had my mobile phone bill, which normally is £12 a month, which is now £50 | 0:23:10 | 0:23:15 | |
and I just think it's a bit unfair, really, not just for students, but for everybody. | 0:23:15 | 0:23:19 | |
You know, in this economic climate, the last thing you need is this expense. | 0:23:19 | 0:23:26 | |
Companies do it because it's a standard charge | 0:23:26 | 0:23:29 | |
no matter where you phone from. That's why they give you the number, | 0:23:29 | 0:23:32 | |
so that they can say everybody pays the same. | 0:23:32 | 0:23:35 | |
0800 numbers from a landline are free. | 0:23:35 | 0:23:37 | |
If you phone 0800 from a landline, it will always be a free call. | 0:23:37 | 0:23:41 | |
If you phone it from a mobile, they do charge you. | 0:23:41 | 0:23:43 | |
But there is something I can do that can help you. There's a website called saynoto0870.com | 0:23:43 | 0:23:50 | |
and it's on the screen here. It allows you to put in any of these numbers that start with 08 | 0:23:50 | 0:23:56 | |
and if there is one, it provides you with the alternative landline number. | 0:23:56 | 0:24:00 | |
So I've put in the Student Loan Company, I can see it's an 0870 number, | 0:24:00 | 0:24:04 | |
so I can understand why it's caused you distress. | 0:24:04 | 0:24:06 | |
It's come up with a landline number there. | 0:24:06 | 0:24:09 | |
This is a good opportunity... It doesn't cover everything, | 0:24:09 | 0:24:13 | |
but it should cut down on some of your telephone costs. | 0:24:13 | 0:24:16 | |
-And pass the message on to all your student friends, as well, because it's a very useful website. -I will. | 0:24:16 | 0:24:21 | |
-And I wish you luck with the rest of your degree. -Thank you very much. -Good to meet you. -Bye. | 0:24:21 | 0:24:26 | |
There don't have to be huge sums of money involved for you to feel as if you've been ripped off. | 0:24:29 | 0:24:34 | |
Sometimes you might just think someone's taking your loyalty for granted. | 0:24:34 | 0:24:38 | |
That's certainly what our next viewer felt. So, were they right? | 0:24:38 | 0:24:42 | |
'Reward cards and loyalty schemes can be a great way to save money on future purchases. | 0:24:44 | 0:24:50 | |
'But one of the most established schemes, Airmiles, | 0:24:50 | 0:24:53 | |
'where you earn flight miles as you spend, has recently announced changes | 0:24:53 | 0:24:57 | |
'that have led quite a few of you to get in touch. | 0:24:57 | 0:25:00 | |
Sorsha Holloway, who's a photographer, started collecting Airmiles in the mid-90s.' | 0:25:00 | 0:25:07 | |
The Airmiles scheme made it possible for many people to travel to places | 0:25:07 | 0:25:11 | |
they wouldn't otherwise have been able to go. Especially if you have a family of four, | 0:25:11 | 0:25:15 | |
it's not going to be cheap to go on holiday anywhere and if you can collect | 0:25:15 | 0:25:19 | |
and save up for that special holiday, for example, the flights to Antigua | 0:25:19 | 0:25:24 | |
that you wouldn't normally be able to do, then how great is that? | 0:25:24 | 0:25:28 | |
'But now the scheme's been overhauled. | 0:25:28 | 0:25:31 | |
'It's to be known as Avios. | 0:25:31 | 0:25:33 | |
'You'll need fewer points to fly to some destinations and more to get to others. | 0:25:33 | 0:25:37 | |
'But the change that's upset collectors like Sorsha is that from mid-December, | 0:25:37 | 0:25:43 | |
'when you book a flight with your points, you'll now have to pay all taxes and fuel surcharges on top, | 0:25:43 | 0:25:49 | |
'an extra cost that the old scheme covered.' | 0:25:49 | 0:25:52 | |
When I received the initial email announcing the changes, I was really horrified. | 0:25:52 | 0:25:57 | |
I couldn't believe that after having been such a loyal customer, | 0:25:57 | 0:26:00 | |
that they were dropping this onto their collectors at such short notice. | 0:26:00 | 0:26:05 | |
'For over 15 years, Sorsha's gone out of her way to collect her Airmiles, | 0:26:05 | 0:26:09 | |
'even when that's meant using shops or petrol stations that aren't the closest to her home.' | 0:26:09 | 0:26:14 | |
We did all our shopping at Tesco and converted all our Clubcard points to Airmiles. | 0:26:14 | 0:26:18 | |
We did all our fuel shopping at Tesco. I did a lot of internet shopping through the Airmiles E-store | 0:26:18 | 0:26:24 | |
and I think in the last year, shopped at 26 shops on the E-store to collect Airmiles. | 0:26:24 | 0:26:30 | |
And I wasn't silly, I didn't shop there if it was cheaper elsewhere, | 0:26:30 | 0:26:34 | |
but I did use it where I could. | 0:26:34 | 0:26:37 | |
'It might seem churlish to complain about points you've been given for free, | 0:26:37 | 0:26:42 | |
'but Sorsha had been collecting all those miles so that she could book a dream holiday | 0:26:42 | 0:26:46 | |
'to visit her family in South Africa.' | 0:26:46 | 0:26:49 | |
We had nearly 10,000 Airmiles at that point and we were aiming to have collected enough by spring next year | 0:26:49 | 0:26:55 | |
to do a significant part-cash, part-miles payment for four return flights to Johannesburg. | 0:26:55 | 0:27:01 | |
'But because of the changes brought in under the new Avios rules, | 0:27:01 | 0:27:05 | |
'she's worked out she'll now have to pay around £1,500 for those taxes and charges, | 0:27:05 | 0:27:09 | |
'and extra cost she hadn't expected and couldn't afford. The planned holiday was abandoned.' | 0:27:09 | 0:27:15 | |
Having to cancel the planned trip to South Africa was very disappointing for us as a family. | 0:27:15 | 0:27:20 | |
My husband's older brother and his wife have lived out there for many years and we've never been to visit. | 0:27:20 | 0:27:26 | |
The children were also, obviously, looking forward very much to going and seeing the wonderful wildlife | 0:27:26 | 0:27:32 | |
and it was going to be a really exciting trip. | 0:27:32 | 0:27:36 | |
'Sorsha's unhappy that, as far as she's concerned, the goalposts have moved.' | 0:27:36 | 0:27:41 | |
It might not be the worst thing that could happen in the world, | 0:27:41 | 0:27:44 | |
but for us, it was almost like a holiday bank account. | 0:27:44 | 0:27:47 | |
After being a loyal collector, really loyal collector, | 0:27:47 | 0:27:51 | |
I couldn't believe that they were going to treat their members in that way. | 0:27:51 | 0:27:57 | |
And...what I mean is, how they went about it. | 0:27:57 | 0:28:03 | |
They didn't give us much notice. | 0:28:03 | 0:28:06 | |
Something that was so major, I think we should've been informed a long time before. | 0:28:06 | 0:28:11 | |
'She feels she's earned her miles and the flights she was hoping they'd buy.' | 0:28:11 | 0:28:16 | |
Yes, we have had benefits from the scheme and we have used the scheme very well, | 0:28:16 | 0:28:21 | |
but we have put business the way of the Airmiles company, Lloyd TSB. | 0:28:21 | 0:28:27 | |
A lot of money went through those credit cards and through the tills at Tesco. | 0:28:27 | 0:28:31 | |
'Avios told us they're sorry that some customers | 0:28:31 | 0:28:34 | |
'are disappointed by the change, but Avios remains | 0:28:34 | 0:28:37 | |
'a great value travel rewards programme, | 0:28:37 | 0:28:39 | |
'especially for flights to Europe | 0:28:39 | 0:28:42 | |
'on which the extra charges will be fixed at £27. | 0:28:42 | 0:28:45 | |
'They point out that until 2008, | 0:28:45 | 0:28:47 | |
'the old scheme made these charges, too, | 0:28:47 | 0:28:50 | |
'and though they did then absorb those charges for a while, | 0:28:50 | 0:28:53 | |
'the cost of UK passenger duty has risen significantly. | 0:28:53 | 0:28:57 | |
'They insist the Avios scheme has many new benefits.' | 0:28:57 | 0:29:00 | |
For me, it feels quite sad, really. | 0:29:01 | 0:29:04 | |
I think it's the end of a beautiful relationship with the Airmiles company. | 0:29:04 | 0:29:09 | |
For me, I will never collect Airmiles again unless they bring in significant changes in the futures. | 0:29:09 | 0:29:17 | |
If you'd like advice on what to do in that kind of situation, we've done the groundwork for you. | 0:29:17 | 0:29:22 | |
Here's an expert with the key things you need to know. | 0:29:22 | 0:29:25 | |
There's a huge range of loyalty cards and clubs out there | 0:29:26 | 0:29:30 | |
and wherever you choose to spend, whether it be on your food | 0:29:30 | 0:29:33 | |
or everyday goods, leisure, travel, there's always someone somewhere offering you points for something. | 0:29:33 | 0:29:39 | |
There's a range of ways that you can maximise the points on any scheme that you have. | 0:29:39 | 0:29:44 | |
First off, always make sure that you present your card, whether in store on online. | 0:29:44 | 0:29:49 | |
If you have the ability to pay for goods where you can also gets points from a credit or debit card, | 0:29:49 | 0:29:56 | |
that is also another great way of doubling up your points. | 0:29:56 | 0:30:00 | |
But, of course, make sure you pay the statement off in full at any time. | 0:30:00 | 0:30:04 | |
If you're in a scheme, you should keep your eye on that scheme | 0:30:06 | 0:30:09 | |
to make sure your points are being added to your statement, | 0:30:09 | 0:30:12 | |
and, of course, be aware that if you're inactive for a period of time, you could lose those points, | 0:30:12 | 0:30:17 | |
so be aware of what the rules are with your individual scheme. | 0:30:17 | 0:30:22 | |
Additional points seem like a great thing at first, | 0:30:22 | 0:30:25 | |
you think, "Wow! I'm going to get closer to the goal of the redemption of my points very quickly!" | 0:30:25 | 0:30:30 | |
But those points are costed in by the retailer, they cost the retailer to offer them to you. | 0:30:30 | 0:30:35 | |
So always look at what's the true value of the product, | 0:30:35 | 0:30:38 | |
Just because you get additional points, doesn't mean it's a good deal. | 0:30:38 | 0:30:41 | |
You could probably buy the product cheaper elsewhere | 0:30:41 | 0:30:44 | |
and the value with extra points isn't worth that saving. | 0:30:44 | 0:30:47 | |
Don't be a slave to points, they are a bonus, not the reason for buying the goods in the first place. | 0:30:47 | 0:30:53 | |
'Big companies don't always make things easy to understand. | 0:30:57 | 0:31:01 | |
'And it can be very confusing trying to work out why you haven't ended up with what you'd expected.' | 0:31:01 | 0:31:06 | |
'So if you feel bogged down and don't know exactly what to do, | 0:31:06 | 0:31:10 | |
'we've put together a booklet of tips and advice. | 0:31:10 | 0:31:13 | |
'You can find a link to the free guide on our website. | 0:31:13 | 0:31:16 | |
'Or if you want to receive a copy in the post, send an A5 self-addressed envelope | 0:31:20 | 0:31:25 | |
'to the address we'll give you right at the end of the programme.' | 0:31:25 | 0:31:29 | |
We heard from a number of viewers who say that their local councils are raising parking charges, | 0:31:32 | 0:31:38 | |
wait for this, by up to 400 percent to help cover government cuts. | 0:31:38 | 0:31:43 | |
As usual, the cost seems to be falling on the consumer. | 0:31:43 | 0:31:47 | |
So could it be true? We went to Barnet in London to find out. | 0:31:47 | 0:31:51 | |
'Some of the residents in Barnet, North London are battling the local council | 0:31:53 | 0:31:57 | |
'over a rise in the cost of parking permits. | 0:31:57 | 0:32:00 | |
'And they hope to take the fight to court.' | 0:32:00 | 0:32:02 | |
Well, originally, we were very pleased at being a controlled parking zone | 0:32:02 | 0:32:07 | |
because we are very near the tube, and we had real problems. | 0:32:07 | 0:32:11 | |
People would leave their cars all day and you could never park near your house. | 0:32:11 | 0:32:15 | |
'But members of the Barnet Controlled Parking Action Group | 0:32:15 | 0:32:19 | |
'have dug into their own pockets to pay for legal proceedings against the council | 0:32:19 | 0:32:23 | |
'after the price of residents' parking permits more than doubled, from £40 a year to £100. | 0:32:23 | 0:32:30 | |
'And visitor permits have gone up from £1 to £4 a day.' | 0:32:30 | 0:32:34 | |
The legal case is that Barnet are not allowed to increase the charges, the parking charges, | 0:32:34 | 0:32:41 | |
to raise revenue, and that's what they're doing. | 0:32:41 | 0:32:45 | |
They're allowed to increase the parking charges if it's to run the scheme, | 0:32:45 | 0:32:49 | |
or to reduce the amount of cars coming into the area. | 0:32:49 | 0:32:53 | |
But there isn't a problem with the number of cars coming into the area. | 0:32:53 | 0:32:58 | |
And they actually made a surplus of £4 million last year, so they don't need extra money to run the scheme. | 0:32:58 | 0:33:04 | |
'78-year-old Ken Johnston is just furious about the increased charges.' | 0:33:06 | 0:33:11 | |
I can't pay £4 every time someone comes. | 0:33:11 | 0:33:15 | |
If they come, I can't ask them for £4. | 0:33:15 | 0:33:17 | |
And it's going to make it awkward for people coming to visit us. | 0:33:17 | 0:33:22 | |
The families can come any time. Some come every day. | 0:33:22 | 0:33:26 | |
In fact, seven or eight a week. It can be £32 a week. | 0:33:26 | 0:33:30 | |
'Fellow resident Janice Curry is also feeling the pinch of the price rise.' | 0:33:30 | 0:33:35 | |
Every time somebody comes to see me, even if they just come for a couple of minutes, it costs me £4, | 0:33:35 | 0:33:40 | |
so to have a coffee morning or something like that used to be £10 or something and now it's £40. | 0:33:40 | 0:33:47 | |
So it's made a huge difference to people like myself who are at home who aren't working or who have kids. | 0:33:47 | 0:33:54 | |
'She thinks the increase being forced upon her and fellow residents is staggering.' | 0:33:54 | 0:33:59 | |
I do think this is a bit of a stealth tax. We've been paying £1 for years, happily paying it, | 0:33:59 | 0:34:03 | |
and it's always felt a bit expensive but you think, "I live in London, I can deal with it." | 0:34:03 | 0:34:08 | |
But increasing overnight from £1 to £4 is... | 0:34:08 | 0:34:13 | |
I'm not sure how they can justify that and it does feel like a rip off. | 0:34:13 | 0:34:17 | |
'The increased parking charge for visitor permits | 0:34:19 | 0:34:21 | |
'also affects tradesmen carrying out work on local houses.' | 0:34:21 | 0:34:25 | |
Well, we're here a month now, doing this project here with three vans of trades here. | 0:34:25 | 0:34:30 | |
And I have to pass that onto the customer because I can't afford to be paying for the parking here. | 0:34:30 | 0:34:36 | |
So it bumps up his bill. If people aren't happy to pay then I'm reluctant to do the job | 0:34:36 | 0:34:42 | |
because if it drags on, it will impact on the profit and the price I've got to charge. | 0:34:42 | 0:34:48 | |
'Philippa says it's this four-fold increase on visitor vouchers that's really upsetting local residents.' | 0:34:49 | 0:34:55 | |
If you had that on, say, a bus fare, your daily bus fare went up from £2 to £8, | 0:34:55 | 0:35:02 | |
people just wouldn't accept it. There would be outrage. | 0:35:02 | 0:35:06 | |
It's an enormous increase and yet we're just supposed to accept this without saying anything about it. | 0:35:06 | 0:35:12 | |
One of Barnet's arguments is they've raised these charges to bring them in line with all the other boroughs. | 0:35:13 | 0:35:19 | |
And quite clearly it isn't. | 0:35:19 | 0:35:22 | |
I live in Barnet where the residents' visitors vouchers are £4 a day | 0:35:23 | 0:35:29 | |
or even for half an hour it's £4. We only have £4 vouchers. | 0:35:29 | 0:35:34 | |
In Haringey, just up here, they only have two hours a day, it's 30p an hour, maximum 60p. | 0:35:34 | 0:35:41 | |
Barnet are saying they're comparable with other boroughs. Clearly, right on our doorstep, they're not. | 0:35:41 | 0:35:46 | |
'Paul Watters from the AA believes the issue of parking permits amounts to blatant profiteering.' | 0:35:46 | 0:35:53 | |
When the schemes first started, they were meant to help locals with parking problems. | 0:35:53 | 0:35:57 | |
Now they're being seen as revenue opportunities. | 0:35:57 | 0:36:00 | |
The charges were supposed to be for administration of the scheme, | 0:36:00 | 0:36:04 | |
but now they're seen as a revenue raiser. That seems wrong for residents with parking problems. | 0:36:04 | 0:36:09 | |
It's very difficult in areas like Barnet where only a few households have residents' parking schemes. | 0:36:09 | 0:36:15 | |
They have to contribute more than their fair share for their permits. | 0:36:15 | 0:36:18 | |
It seems unfair that the rest of Barnet without residents' parking schemes get away with this charge. | 0:36:18 | 0:36:24 | |
'We asked Barnet Council to explain the increase. | 0:36:24 | 0:36:27 | |
'They said they have held down permit charges for several years | 0:36:29 | 0:36:32 | |
'but now felt that they had to bring them into line with other boroughs. | 0:36:32 | 0:36:36 | |
'They accept that some residents | 0:36:36 | 0:36:38 | |
'don't agree that the new prices are comparable. | 0:36:38 | 0:36:41 | |
'But they've supplied them and us with information to prove their point. | 0:36:41 | 0:36:45 | |
'And they say that, although controlled parking zones exist | 0:36:45 | 0:36:49 | |
'at the residents' request, if a number of them now wish to leave, | 0:36:49 | 0:36:53 | |
'they'd be willing to look at that. | 0:36:53 | 0:36:55 | |
'But Philippa is determined to fight on.' | 0:36:57 | 0:37:00 | |
It's just paying through the nose for what should be our right, | 0:37:00 | 0:37:03 | |
to park outside our own house, have friends come round and see us, | 0:37:03 | 0:37:07 | |
why should we pay for it? I think it's a complete rip off. | 0:37:07 | 0:37:10 | |
'We've heard from many of you about your frustrations at high train fares. | 0:37:12 | 0:37:16 | |
'Earlier on we heard from Rosie, who's worried she'll no longer be able to afford to travel to work | 0:37:16 | 0:37:21 | |
'because of the price of her train fare. | 0:37:21 | 0:37:24 | |
'So I went to talk to Theresa Villiers, who is Minister for Transport, | 0:37:24 | 0:37:28 | |
'to see what she has to say about the situation.' | 0:37:28 | 0:37:33 | |
Minister, I feel as if I'm here articulating a howl of protest from rail users. | 0:37:33 | 0:37:40 | |
High fares and a government that doesn't seem to be listening. | 0:37:40 | 0:37:44 | |
Of course we are listening, of course we recognise the concern out there about the level of rail fares. | 0:37:44 | 0:37:51 | |
Those rail fares are contributing to | 0:37:51 | 0:37:54 | |
one of the biggest programmes of rail improvement since the Victorian era, | 0:37:54 | 0:37:58 | |
to address people's concerns about crowding, about quality of service, | 0:37:58 | 0:38:02 | |
and to strengthen our economy, as well. | 0:38:02 | 0:38:04 | |
We are determined to get the cost of running the railways down, | 0:38:04 | 0:38:08 | |
so that we can deliver better value for money to passengers, | 0:38:08 | 0:38:12 | |
and respond to exactly the sort of concerns that your program is highlighting. | 0:38:12 | 0:38:16 | |
Well, we did vox pops outside Paddington Station and stopped, I suppose, a dozen people, all told. | 0:38:16 | 0:38:23 | |
Every single person, one way or another, was complaining about the cost of fares. | 0:38:23 | 0:38:28 | |
One man said, "I travel in conditions that are worse than cattle travel in. | 0:38:28 | 0:38:33 | |
"I pay full whack, I end up sitting on the floor outside the lavatory." This cannot be right. | 0:38:33 | 0:38:39 | |
That's why we are expanding capacity on our railways. | 0:38:39 | 0:38:44 | |
But that does mean also passengers contributing to the cost of those improvements via their fares. | 0:38:44 | 0:38:50 | |
In a time when we have a huge crisis in the public finances, | 0:38:50 | 0:38:55 | |
it's simply not feasible for the taxpayer to pay the full cost. | 0:38:55 | 0:38:59 | |
The passengers need to contribute, as well. | 0:38:59 | 0:39:01 | |
Your own predecessor, if I can quote his words to you, | 0:39:01 | 0:39:05 | |
talked about fares being "eye-wateringly high". | 0:39:05 | 0:39:08 | |
He clearly thought that was a bad thing. What people are looking for is for fares to come down. | 0:39:08 | 0:39:14 | |
We are determined to deliver better value for money for passengers, | 0:39:14 | 0:39:18 | |
-and the way we do that... -But does that mean cutting fares? | 0:39:18 | 0:39:21 | |
If we manage to do that we can deliver better value for passengers. | 0:39:21 | 0:39:25 | |
Would you say that the average rail traveller is getting value for money at the moment? | 0:39:25 | 0:39:30 | |
I think a lot of people feel they're not getting value for money | 0:39:30 | 0:39:33 | |
but the reality is that the fares they're paying | 0:39:33 | 0:39:36 | |
are contributing to the improvements that passengers want, that our economy needs. | 0:39:36 | 0:39:42 | |
So there is a purpose to these. And also it is worth bearing in mind that for certain journeys | 0:39:42 | 0:39:47 | |
there are cheaper fares available, but I recognise that, for many people, | 0:39:47 | 0:39:52 | |
it's not always easy to get those cheaper tickets and it's vitally important for them | 0:39:52 | 0:39:58 | |
that we carry through our reform programme to get the cost of the railways down. | 0:39:58 | 0:40:02 | |
I have asked you in a number of ways whether your phrase about bringing down the cost of the railways | 0:40:02 | 0:40:09 | |
would actually result in fares falling, | 0:40:09 | 0:40:13 | |
and you've not really been able to say the answer is yes, | 0:40:13 | 0:40:16 | |
and that is really the thing that people want to hear. | 0:40:16 | 0:40:19 | |
We believe we could get to a point where fares would go up just by inflation, | 0:40:19 | 0:40:24 | |
so they would stay steady in real terms. | 0:40:24 | 0:40:27 | |
Now, whether it will be possible to go further and reduce fares is not something I can say at the moment. | 0:40:27 | 0:40:33 | |
But I am determined that the cost of the railways will come down, | 0:40:33 | 0:40:37 | |
and that passengers will take a share in those savings, so we can deliver better value for money. | 0:40:37 | 0:40:43 | |
-Theresa Villiers, thank you. -Thank you very much. | 0:40:43 | 0:40:46 | |
'Here at Rip-Off Britain, we're always ready to investigate more of your stories. | 0:40:48 | 0:40:53 | |
'Confused over your bills? Trying to wade through endless small print that leaves you none the wiser?' | 0:40:53 | 0:41:00 | |
I might have been stupid for not reading it, or I've read it and not took it in. | 0:41:00 | 0:41:05 | |
I could kick myself. I really could. | 0:41:05 | 0:41:08 | |
'Unsure what to do when you discover you've lost out, | 0:41:08 | 0:41:11 | |
'and that so-called great deal has ended up costing you money?' | 0:41:11 | 0:41:15 | |
I thought, "This cannot be true. It's totally unacceptable." I was so angry! | 0:41:15 | 0:41:20 | |
'You might have a cautionary tale of your own and want to share the mistakes you made with us | 0:41:21 | 0:41:26 | |
-'so others don't do the same.' -No-one knows about this so this is very strange to me. | 0:41:26 | 0:41:32 | |
And I really would like to get this much clearer. | 0:41:32 | 0:41:34 | |
'You can write to us at... | 0:41:34 | 0:41:38 | |
'Or send us an email to... | 0:41:46 | 0:41:49 | |
'The Rip-Off team is ready and waiting to investigate your stories.' | 0:41:52 | 0:41:57 | |
Well, it does seem that when faced with unacceptable goods or service, | 0:42:00 | 0:42:04 | |
all too often we Brits simply grin and bear it. | 0:42:04 | 0:42:07 | |
-Perhaps it's down to our stiff upper lip. -You're right. | 0:42:07 | 0:42:10 | |
But here at Rip-Off Britain, we believe that in these tough economic times, | 0:42:10 | 0:42:14 | |
-you really should put aside your reserve and stand up for your rights. -That's always our message. | 0:42:14 | 0:42:19 | |
Because bear in mind that it's far more expensive for companies to find new customers | 0:42:19 | 0:42:24 | |
than it is to satisfy a disgruntled one. So there's usually everything to play for. | 0:42:24 | 0:42:29 | |
And remember, if you genuinely feel that you've been ripped off or let down, | 0:42:29 | 0:42:33 | |
you need to complain, that's again one of our messages. As consumers we have very clear rights. | 0:42:33 | 0:42:38 | |
And that's just about where we have to leave it for today, | 0:42:38 | 0:42:41 | |
but we hope you'll join us next time for some more of the rip offs that are driving you absolutely crazy. | 0:42:41 | 0:42:47 | |
-So until then, bye-bye. -Bye-Bye. -Bye. | 0:42:47 | 0:42:50 | |
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