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We asked you to tell us what's left you feeling ripped off | 0:00:02 | 0:00:04 | |
and you contacted us in your thousands. | 0:00:04 | 0:00:07 | |
You've told us about the companies you think get it wrong | 0:00:07 | 0:00:10 | |
and the customer service that simply is not up to scratch. | 0:00:10 | 0:00:14 | |
It's my money and it's not right for anyone to rip you off. | 0:00:14 | 0:00:17 | |
I don't understand how they get hold of my information. | 0:00:17 | 0:00:21 | |
You've asked us to track down the scammers who stole your money | 0:00:21 | 0:00:24 | |
and investigate the extra charges you say are unfair. | 0:00:24 | 0:00:27 | |
You don't get compensated. | 0:00:27 | 0:00:29 | |
It takes a long time to get things done and nobody cares. | 0:00:29 | 0:00:33 | |
In the end, I told him no, because I knew it was a scam. | 0:00:33 | 0:00:35 | |
And when you've lost out but no-one else is to blame, | 0:00:36 | 0:00:39 | |
you've come to us to stop others falling into the same trap. | 0:00:39 | 0:00:42 | |
So whether it's a blatant rip-off, or a genuine mistake. | 0:00:44 | 0:00:47 | |
We're here to find out why you're out of pocket | 0:00:47 | 0:00:49 | |
and what you can do about it. | 0:00:49 | 0:00:51 | |
Your stories - your money. | 0:00:52 | 0:00:54 | |
This is Rip-Off Britain. | 0:00:54 | 0:00:55 | |
Hello and welcome to Rip-Off Britain, | 0:01:01 | 0:01:02 | |
the programme that's here to make sure | 0:01:02 | 0:01:04 | |
that wherever and whatever you're spending your money on, | 0:01:04 | 0:01:07 | |
you know exactly what you're getting | 0:01:07 | 0:01:09 | |
and that you're getting exactly what you want. | 0:01:09 | 0:01:12 | |
Now, I know that may seem a rather simple thing to ask, | 0:01:12 | 0:01:14 | |
but when it comes to shopping on the internet, | 0:01:14 | 0:01:16 | |
it is not always as easy as it sounds, is it, Julia? | 0:01:16 | 0:01:19 | |
No, it really isn't. And it can be easy to forget | 0:01:19 | 0:01:22 | |
that the same rules don't always apply online | 0:01:22 | 0:01:25 | |
as they do on the high street. | 0:01:25 | 0:01:26 | |
For instance, if the online company you're buying from isn't based in the UK, | 0:01:26 | 0:01:31 | |
then you won't have the same rights if you end up being ripped off. | 0:01:31 | 0:01:35 | |
But of course shopping isn't all that we do online. | 0:01:35 | 0:01:38 | |
Millions of us have signed up to websites | 0:01:38 | 0:01:40 | |
for everything from banking to dating or social media, | 0:01:40 | 0:01:43 | |
handing over, let's face it, some of our most valuable personal details in the process. | 0:01:43 | 0:01:48 | |
Today, we'll be uncovering a lot of stuff | 0:01:48 | 0:01:50 | |
that even the most seasoned internet user may not know. | 0:01:50 | 0:01:53 | |
And I guarantee that by the end of the programme, | 0:01:53 | 0:01:55 | |
you'll be a lot more internet-savvy than you are right now. | 0:01:55 | 0:01:58 | |
Coming up, why even on the most trusted websites | 0:01:59 | 0:02:03 | |
you could be caught out by ads specifically targeting you. | 0:02:03 | 0:02:06 | |
Years and years ago, they talked about "Big Brother is watching you" | 0:02:06 | 0:02:12 | |
and we never ever thought that it would come, but it's here. | 0:02:12 | 0:02:15 | |
And how fraudsters can piece together | 0:02:16 | 0:02:18 | |
even your most basic details | 0:02:18 | 0:02:20 | |
to get their hands on your cash. | 0:02:20 | 0:02:22 | |
I did actually find a couple of Russian forums | 0:02:23 | 0:02:28 | |
which mentioned your e-mail address and telephone number. | 0:02:28 | 0:02:31 | |
In fact, at the moment your name plus e-mail address and telephone number | 0:02:31 | 0:02:37 | |
can be sold by a cyber-crime gang for about one and a half US dollars. | 0:02:37 | 0:02:41 | |
Thanks to the internet, | 0:02:45 | 0:02:47 | |
these days we can buy something from the other side of the planet | 0:02:47 | 0:02:51 | |
just as easily as if it was a shop round the corner. | 0:02:51 | 0:02:53 | |
And while most of the time that works just as it should, | 0:02:53 | 0:02:56 | |
there are occasions when it's not clear exactly where | 0:02:56 | 0:03:00 | |
the company you're dealing with is based. | 0:03:00 | 0:03:02 | |
After all, you'd think that a web address that ends in .co.uk | 0:03:02 | 0:03:06 | |
means the company is based right here, wouldn't you? | 0:03:06 | 0:03:09 | |
In fact, you'd be wrong. | 0:03:09 | 0:03:10 | |
When she's not spending time at her friend's equestrian centre, | 0:03:13 | 0:03:17 | |
Vikki Curtis loves socialising with her friends. | 0:03:17 | 0:03:20 | |
But her morale took a bad knock when she started to lose her hair. | 0:03:20 | 0:03:25 | |
My hair's thinning on top | 0:03:25 | 0:03:26 | |
and as the years have gone on, it's got thinner and thinner | 0:03:26 | 0:03:30 | |
and I was finding it difficult to get a nice hairstyle. | 0:03:30 | 0:03:33 | |
A friend persuaded her to try a wig, and it's boosted Vikki's confidence | 0:03:33 | 0:03:37 | |
so much that she now won't leave the house without one. | 0:03:37 | 0:03:41 | |
I wouldn't be seen out in public now without a wig. | 0:03:41 | 0:03:45 | |
I find it difficult to go to the hairdressers to get my hair cut. | 0:03:45 | 0:03:48 | |
Vikki's decision to wear wigs all the time | 0:03:48 | 0:03:51 | |
meant she was faced with a new and sometimes daunting challenge - | 0:03:51 | 0:03:54 | |
shopping for the right ones. | 0:03:54 | 0:03:56 | |
It's very important to get the right wig because | 0:03:56 | 0:03:59 | |
if you don't feel good in your wig, it's pointless wearing it. | 0:03:59 | 0:04:03 | |
Vicki usually feels more comfortable buying wigs online than in a shop, | 0:04:03 | 0:04:08 | |
but with a recent purchase, that's how she ran into trouble. | 0:04:08 | 0:04:11 | |
I just did a search on the net | 0:04:11 | 0:04:13 | |
to see if there was any other companies out there, | 0:04:13 | 0:04:16 | |
and I came across the Wigshow. | 0:04:16 | 0:04:18 | |
Wigshow.co.uk had lots of stock on offer. | 0:04:18 | 0:04:22 | |
It was all reasonably priced, | 0:04:22 | 0:04:23 | |
and it appeared to Vikki that it was based in the UK. | 0:04:23 | 0:04:26 | |
It says in their frequently asked questions that they are British, | 0:04:26 | 0:04:30 | |
they are a British company, and it just looks totally up-to-date. | 0:04:30 | 0:04:36 | |
So I was expecting a real, good-quality wig. | 0:04:36 | 0:04:39 | |
Trusting in the website, Vikki went ahead | 0:04:39 | 0:04:41 | |
and placed an order for two wigs. | 0:04:41 | 0:04:43 | |
Both were on offer at half the normal price and the total cost was £139. | 0:04:43 | 0:04:49 | |
But when the wigs arrived, she was shocked by their quality. | 0:04:51 | 0:04:54 | |
There is no style in it. It's just awful. | 0:04:55 | 0:04:59 | |
You can't do anything with it. It feels horrible, it smells. | 0:04:59 | 0:05:05 | |
I'm just embarrassed to have the thing on my head. | 0:05:05 | 0:05:07 | |
Vicky is so upset about her wigs | 0:05:09 | 0:05:11 | |
that she won't wear them in public anymore, | 0:05:11 | 0:05:13 | |
but she has let me bring them down to London | 0:05:13 | 0:05:16 | |
so I can get an expert opinion on them. | 0:05:16 | 0:05:18 | |
Top West End hairdresser Trevor Sorbie | 0:05:20 | 0:05:22 | |
runs a charity called My New Hair | 0:05:22 | 0:05:25 | |
which gives people advice on where to find an approved wig fitter. | 0:05:25 | 0:05:28 | |
God, it feels so...gritty. | 0:05:30 | 0:05:33 | |
It's unlike a good wig because a good wig, | 0:05:33 | 0:05:37 | |
it would feel like real hair | 0:05:37 | 0:05:38 | |
because the technology in synthetic wigs today is fantastic. | 0:05:38 | 0:05:43 | |
And presumably it would also be incredibly uncomfortable to wear. | 0:05:43 | 0:05:46 | |
I mean, you look inside... | 0:05:46 | 0:05:47 | |
Well, you see this is very rough on the scalp. | 0:05:47 | 0:05:52 | |
It's disgusting that people can do this to very vulnerable people. | 0:05:52 | 0:05:56 | |
I mean, you know, you only wear a wig when you have to. | 0:05:56 | 0:05:59 | |
The last thing you want to do is draw attention to yourself. | 0:05:59 | 0:06:03 | |
You want to just look normal, like you normally do. | 0:06:03 | 0:06:06 | |
And if you're wearing something like this, | 0:06:06 | 0:06:08 | |
all you're doing is, "Guess what I'm wearing?" | 0:06:08 | 0:06:12 | |
It's... It's unacceptable, totally. | 0:06:12 | 0:06:16 | |
That's exactly what Vikki had thought when she received the wigs. | 0:06:16 | 0:06:19 | |
So she e-mailed wigshow.co.uk saying she wanted to return them. | 0:06:19 | 0:06:23 | |
And I received an e-mail back saying, "How about you keep the wigs | 0:06:25 | 0:06:30 | |
"and sell them on to somebody else, and we will refund you 10%?" | 0:06:30 | 0:06:35 | |
But Vikki wanted her money back, | 0:06:35 | 0:06:37 | |
so she told Wigshow their offer simply wasn't acceptable. | 0:06:37 | 0:06:40 | |
Their response to that - and to the next few e-mails she sent - | 0:06:40 | 0:06:44 | |
started to make Vikki suspicious | 0:06:44 | 0:06:46 | |
about this supposedly British company. | 0:06:46 | 0:06:49 | |
I realised that they weren't English | 0:06:49 | 0:06:51 | |
because the grammar in the e-mails was terrible, | 0:06:51 | 0:06:55 | |
I actually said to them "You've obviously lied on your website. | 0:06:55 | 0:06:58 | |
"You are not UK-based. | 0:06:58 | 0:07:00 | |
"Could you please give me an address to send these wigs back to | 0:07:02 | 0:07:05 | |
"and I want a full refund." | 0:07:05 | 0:07:07 | |
In numerous e-mails over the next few hours, | 0:07:07 | 0:07:09 | |
Wigshow refused to refund Vikki the full £139 she'd paid | 0:07:09 | 0:07:14 | |
or pay for the postage to send the wigs back. | 0:07:14 | 0:07:16 | |
They eventually agreed to refund me £90 | 0:07:18 | 0:07:23 | |
and they gave me a returns address, | 0:07:23 | 0:07:24 | |
which was China. | 0:07:24 | 0:07:26 | |
And I knew then I was better to cut my losses and just take the £90. | 0:07:26 | 0:07:31 | |
And when she challenged them about their claims to be based in the UK, | 0:07:31 | 0:07:34 | |
they didn't respond. | 0:07:34 | 0:07:36 | |
We showed the company website to our technology expert, David McClelland. | 0:07:36 | 0:07:40 | |
And though he could see that they'd said they were based in the UK, | 0:07:40 | 0:07:43 | |
and that the web address ending with co.uk | 0:07:43 | 0:07:46 | |
might make you think that, | 0:07:46 | 0:07:48 | |
David said there are a few telltale signs to look for | 0:07:48 | 0:07:51 | |
that reveal it isn't the case. | 0:07:51 | 0:07:54 | |
So when you first visit wigshow.co.uk, it looks great. | 0:07:54 | 0:07:58 | |
It's a very professional-looking website, | 0:07:58 | 0:08:00 | |
lots of striking images and so on. | 0:08:00 | 0:08:02 | |
But when you start scratching below the surface, | 0:08:02 | 0:08:04 | |
you start to notice that everything perhaps isn't quite as it should be. | 0:08:04 | 0:08:09 | |
So when we go down to the bottom of the screen here, | 0:08:09 | 0:08:11 | |
something you notice is this copyright, copyright 2014-2016. | 0:08:11 | 0:08:17 | |
That's a bit odd. We're not at 2016 yet. | 0:08:17 | 0:08:19 | |
And then you look at this introductory paragraph | 0:08:19 | 0:08:21 | |
at the bottom. | 0:08:21 | 0:08:22 | |
It's littered with spelling and grammar mistakes as well. | 0:08:22 | 0:08:26 | |
There are more clues across the site... | 0:08:26 | 0:08:29 | |
The Contact Us page | 0:08:29 | 0:08:31 | |
is always quite a good way to assess the credibility of a website. | 0:08:31 | 0:08:36 | |
So if we click on here, there's no telephone number given, | 0:08:36 | 0:08:40 | |
there's no address given, and again, | 0:08:40 | 0:08:43 | |
more spelling mistakes too. | 0:08:43 | 0:08:46 | |
Any business - wherever it's based - | 0:08:46 | 0:08:47 | |
can use a web address that ends with the letters co.uk. | 0:08:47 | 0:08:51 | |
It doesn't mean they're actually located here. | 0:08:51 | 0:08:53 | |
And a good company won't make it hard to find out | 0:08:53 | 0:08:56 | |
where they really are. | 0:08:56 | 0:08:58 | |
The next thing to look out for is when it comes to placing your order. | 0:08:58 | 0:09:02 | |
Wigshow appears to accept all types of credit and debit card. | 0:09:02 | 0:09:06 | |
When you try and buy, though, they don't accept these. | 0:09:07 | 0:09:10 | |
It only accepts PayPal. | 0:09:10 | 0:09:12 | |
Again, by itself, that maybe isn't a particularly bad sign, | 0:09:12 | 0:09:16 | |
but when you combine all of these things together, | 0:09:16 | 0:09:18 | |
it starts to build up a picture of a website | 0:09:18 | 0:09:20 | |
that maybe you need to be quite cautious about buying from. | 0:09:20 | 0:09:24 | |
And if you've got a little bit more internet know-how, | 0:09:24 | 0:09:27 | |
it's easy to do some further research to check out the truth | 0:09:27 | 0:09:30 | |
behind some of the pictures the website is showing you. | 0:09:30 | 0:09:32 | |
Find an image, do a right-click, and on this web browser, | 0:09:34 | 0:09:38 | |
it says, "Search Google for this image." | 0:09:38 | 0:09:40 | |
It might be a little bit different on your web browser. | 0:09:40 | 0:09:42 | |
And what that does, it shows you where else on the internet | 0:09:42 | 0:09:45 | |
that image has actually been used, | 0:09:45 | 0:09:47 | |
and we see that the image we clicked on from the Wig Store website, | 0:09:47 | 0:09:50 | |
is actually a picture of Beyonce Knowles' sister, | 0:09:50 | 0:09:53 | |
and it's relatively unlikely, I would say, | 0:09:53 | 0:09:55 | |
that she is wearing the wig that Wig Store is selling. | 0:09:55 | 0:09:58 | |
And we can see the exact picture that the Wig Store website has... | 0:09:58 | 0:10:02 | |
borrowed, stolen, taken and used on their website. | 0:10:02 | 0:10:05 | |
The photo of Beyonce's sister, Solange, isn't the only picture | 0:10:07 | 0:10:10 | |
that Wigshow appears to have "borrowed" to promote their wigs. | 0:10:10 | 0:10:14 | |
In fact, we were also contacted | 0:10:14 | 0:10:16 | |
by a genuinely British-based, family-run wig company called Wigs4U, | 0:10:16 | 0:10:20 | |
who told us that photos of their wigs and models | 0:10:20 | 0:10:23 | |
have somehow been used all over the Wigshow website. | 0:10:23 | 0:10:26 | |
OK, so this is our Wigs4U website, | 0:10:27 | 0:10:30 | |
and as you can see here, | 0:10:30 | 0:10:32 | |
this is a picture of our model, Lucy, | 0:10:32 | 0:10:35 | |
wearing the wig "Charlie." | 0:10:35 | 0:10:38 | |
And if I click over onto the Wigshow website, | 0:10:38 | 0:10:42 | |
you can see Lucy again in this image. | 0:10:42 | 0:10:45 | |
Wigshow have never contacted me at all, | 0:10:45 | 0:10:47 | |
to ask for any permission to use the photos that I modelled for. | 0:10:47 | 0:10:51 | |
They've just taken this image | 0:10:51 | 0:10:52 | |
and put it on their website along with many other of our styles. | 0:10:52 | 0:10:56 | |
We're really particular on the quality, | 0:10:56 | 0:10:58 | |
the workmanship that goes into these wigs. | 0:10:58 | 0:11:02 | |
We check all of our orders when they come in | 0:11:02 | 0:11:04 | |
and have a really good relationship with our suppliers, the manufacturers. | 0:11:04 | 0:11:07 | |
We contacted Wigshow to ask about Vikki's order, | 0:11:09 | 0:11:12 | |
and the use of photographs taken from other companies' sites. | 0:11:12 | 0:11:16 | |
But they didn't answer any of our questions, | 0:11:16 | 0:11:18 | |
simply claiming that they treat their customers well | 0:11:18 | 0:11:21 | |
and try to do their best with any problems. | 0:11:21 | 0:11:23 | |
Companies based outside the EU | 0:11:25 | 0:11:27 | |
aren't subject to the same trading laws as those in the UK, | 0:11:27 | 0:11:31 | |
which can make it hard to get your money back when things go wrong. | 0:11:31 | 0:11:34 | |
So perhaps Vikki was lucky. She did get a £90 refund from Wigshow, | 0:11:34 | 0:11:39 | |
meaning she's just £30 out of pocket. | 0:11:39 | 0:11:42 | |
But she's still upset by what happened | 0:11:42 | 0:11:44 | |
and hopes others don't end up in the same position. | 0:11:44 | 0:11:47 | |
I think the Wigshow are taking advantage | 0:11:47 | 0:11:50 | |
of really vulnerable people | 0:11:50 | 0:11:52 | |
and I really wanted to do something about it, | 0:11:52 | 0:11:54 | |
to stop the Wigshow taking advantage of any more people. | 0:11:54 | 0:11:58 | |
This year, more of you than ever before | 0:12:03 | 0:12:05 | |
have told us that you've come a cropper | 0:12:05 | 0:12:07 | |
after signing up for a so-called "risk-free trial" of something online | 0:12:07 | 0:12:12 | |
and sometimes ended up hundreds of pounds out of pocket. | 0:12:12 | 0:12:15 | |
But what can be especially frustrating | 0:12:15 | 0:12:17 | |
is that these aren't simply offers that you've seen advertised, | 0:12:17 | 0:12:20 | |
I don't know, on some random website. | 0:12:20 | 0:12:22 | |
Indeed, quite often it's the reverse. | 0:12:22 | 0:12:24 | |
Maybe you've come across some on trusted sites you use all the time. | 0:12:24 | 0:12:28 | |
So the question is, how did they get there in the first place? | 0:12:28 | 0:12:31 | |
Well, we've been unpicking the world of internet advertising. | 0:12:31 | 0:12:35 | |
So if you've ever wondered how it is that the ads you see online | 0:12:35 | 0:12:39 | |
can be for products uncannily close | 0:12:39 | 0:12:41 | |
to the things that you really are interested in, | 0:12:41 | 0:12:43 | |
then here's the reason why. | 0:12:43 | 0:12:45 | |
Pat Preece enjoys a nice bit of pampering... | 0:12:47 | 0:12:50 | |
But it's a habit she only acquired recently, | 0:12:50 | 0:12:53 | |
after her husband, Don, sadly passed away | 0:12:53 | 0:12:55 | |
and Pat needed some time to herself. | 0:12:55 | 0:12:58 | |
Don was diagnosed with cancer back in 2013, | 0:12:58 | 0:13:01 | |
and he died nine months later. | 0:13:01 | 0:13:03 | |
He and Pat had been married for 52 years. | 0:13:03 | 0:13:06 | |
Right, do you want to come down to the treatment room? | 0:13:06 | 0:13:09 | |
Yes, yes. Thank you. | 0:13:09 | 0:13:11 | |
The whole experience has changed my outlook on life. | 0:13:11 | 0:13:15 | |
Every day is a bonus. | 0:13:16 | 0:13:19 | |
I really haven't thought to even have my nails done | 0:13:20 | 0:13:25 | |
or have facials and things like that | 0:13:25 | 0:13:28 | |
because I've always been too busy with other things. | 0:13:28 | 0:13:30 | |
In the last months of his life, Don was cared for in a nursing home. | 0:13:32 | 0:13:36 | |
And as a distraction, | 0:13:36 | 0:13:37 | |
Pat tried to keep on top of her Christmas shopping | 0:13:37 | 0:13:40 | |
by doing it online. | 0:13:40 | 0:13:41 | |
I would have sleepless nights. | 0:13:42 | 0:13:45 | |
And I found that I could be with Don all day and shop all night. | 0:13:45 | 0:13:49 | |
And this is how I did all of my Christmas shopping. | 0:13:49 | 0:13:52 | |
Pat spotted an ad on her Facebook page | 0:13:52 | 0:13:55 | |
for a face cream that looked like a great deal. | 0:13:55 | 0:13:57 | |
This is where I saw the skincare products advertised. | 0:13:57 | 0:14:05 | |
All these things, they just pop up. | 0:14:05 | 0:14:06 | |
While you're on Facebook, they just pop up. | 0:14:07 | 0:14:10 | |
It was anti-wrinkle and anti-ageing. | 0:14:10 | 0:14:14 | |
It was anti-everything. And I could have two free samples. | 0:14:14 | 0:14:19 | |
And all I had to do was send £4.95 | 0:14:19 | 0:14:24 | |
to pay for the postage and packing. | 0:14:24 | 0:14:25 | |
Sounded good, so Pat ordered the creams, | 0:14:27 | 0:14:30 | |
paid the £4.95 and thought little more about it, | 0:14:30 | 0:14:34 | |
until, two months later, she discovered it hadn't been | 0:14:34 | 0:14:37 | |
such a great deal after all. | 0:14:37 | 0:14:38 | |
The face cream company had charged her over £380. | 0:14:39 | 0:14:44 | |
And Pat hadn't realised that by accepting the terms and conditions | 0:14:44 | 0:14:47 | |
of the trial - which unfortunately, like most people, | 0:14:47 | 0:14:49 | |
she'd ticked without actually reading - | 0:14:49 | 0:14:51 | |
she'd given them permission to charge her credit card | 0:14:51 | 0:14:54 | |
every month until she asked them to stop. | 0:14:54 | 0:14:56 | |
We've looked into very similar situations before | 0:14:58 | 0:15:01 | |
with free trials or deals on absolutely everything, | 0:15:01 | 0:15:04 | |
you name it, from diet pills and supplements | 0:15:04 | 0:15:07 | |
to face creams, like the ones Pat bought. | 0:15:07 | 0:15:09 | |
Now, what they typically have in common | 0:15:09 | 0:15:11 | |
is that buried deep in the small print, | 0:15:11 | 0:15:13 | |
can be a nasty sting in the tail - one that, if we're honest, | 0:15:13 | 0:15:16 | |
some of them are counting on you not spotting. | 0:15:16 | 0:15:19 | |
But this is more than just a case of not reading the small print. | 0:15:19 | 0:15:22 | |
Quite a few of you have told us you were sucked in | 0:15:22 | 0:15:25 | |
only because you were reassured | 0:15:25 | 0:15:27 | |
about where you saw the ad in the first place. | 0:15:27 | 0:15:30 | |
So in Pat's case, it was because she'd seen it on Facebook | 0:15:30 | 0:15:32 | |
that she didn't really think there was anything to worry about. | 0:15:32 | 0:15:35 | |
But be warned, | 0:15:35 | 0:15:36 | |
online advertising is a whole lot more complicated | 0:15:36 | 0:15:39 | |
than you might have realised. | 0:15:39 | 0:15:41 | |
Our technology expert, David McClelland, | 0:15:42 | 0:15:45 | |
knows all about how these ads work. | 0:15:45 | 0:15:47 | |
So we asked him to visit Pat and her daughter Jill to explain it all | 0:15:47 | 0:15:50 | |
so that next time they spot a trial that looks risk-free, | 0:15:50 | 0:15:54 | |
they'll know more about what they could be getting into. | 0:15:54 | 0:15:57 | |
So how much did it end up costing you altogether, | 0:15:57 | 0:15:59 | |
before you realised what was happening | 0:15:59 | 0:16:02 | |
-and the money was being taken out of your bank? -£384. | 0:16:02 | 0:16:05 | |
So as far as you understood, | 0:16:05 | 0:16:07 | |
when you saw that advertisement on Facebook, | 0:16:07 | 0:16:10 | |
this was a risk-free trial. | 0:16:10 | 0:16:12 | |
You would pay a small amount of money for postage, | 0:16:12 | 0:16:14 | |
you would get those goods and that would be the end of your dealings with them. | 0:16:14 | 0:16:17 | |
That would be the end of it. And my mind wasn't on this, face creams. | 0:16:17 | 0:16:22 | |
My mind was on being with Don, and being here on my own. | 0:16:22 | 0:16:28 | |
In the end, Pat cancelled her order, | 0:16:29 | 0:16:32 | |
returned the products and was given a £75 refund. | 0:16:32 | 0:16:35 | |
She was still £300 out of pocket. | 0:16:35 | 0:16:38 | |
However, she put it down to experience. | 0:16:38 | 0:16:40 | |
After all, Pat admits she should have read the terms and conditions. | 0:16:40 | 0:16:44 | |
But it's not just chance | 0:16:44 | 0:16:46 | |
that the ad turned up on her Facebook page in the first place. | 0:16:46 | 0:16:49 | |
Because of the information that you share with Facebook, | 0:16:49 | 0:16:52 | |
it knows your name, it knows the things you like, | 0:16:52 | 0:16:55 | |
it knows your friends and what they like. | 0:16:55 | 0:16:57 | |
It knows quite a lot of information about you. | 0:16:57 | 0:17:00 | |
That information is dynamite to advertisers | 0:17:00 | 0:17:02 | |
who want to use Facebook to promote their services, | 0:17:02 | 0:17:05 | |
because they can target specific adverts | 0:17:05 | 0:17:08 | |
to specific groups of people. | 0:17:08 | 0:17:11 | |
And as David is about to demonstrate, | 0:17:11 | 0:17:12 | |
it's surprisingly simple for advertisers | 0:17:12 | 0:17:15 | |
to target potential customers in this way... | 0:17:15 | 0:17:17 | |
..by making use of the information | 0:17:19 | 0:17:21 | |
that people like Pat have posted online. | 0:17:21 | 0:17:24 | |
We can create an advert | 0:17:24 | 0:17:25 | |
and target it using people's information. | 0:17:25 | 0:17:28 | |
Let's create an advert that people in Staffordshire, | 0:17:28 | 0:17:31 | |
or even more specific, people in Stafford. | 0:17:31 | 0:17:34 | |
Right, how old do we want these people to be | 0:17:34 | 0:17:37 | |
who are going to see this advert? | 0:17:37 | 0:17:39 | |
Think of a number. | 0:17:39 | 0:17:40 | |
-70. -70, that's good for me. | 0:17:40 | 0:17:43 | |
-Now, men, women, everybody? -Everybody. -Everybody, all. Good. | 0:17:43 | 0:17:49 | |
How about relationship status? So only people who are...single. | 0:17:49 | 0:17:55 | |
You can see how really precise | 0:17:55 | 0:17:57 | |
we can already be with these adverts. | 0:17:57 | 0:18:00 | |
So there's a saying about using online services | 0:18:00 | 0:18:03 | |
that are supposedly free, | 0:18:03 | 0:18:05 | |
that if you're not paying for the product, | 0:18:05 | 0:18:07 | |
then you probably are the product. | 0:18:07 | 0:18:09 | |
And the fact is that Facebook makes its money out of information | 0:18:09 | 0:18:12 | |
that you give to it, that it can then use to sell advertising to you. | 0:18:12 | 0:18:17 | |
-Do you find that a bit scary? -Very. | 0:18:17 | 0:18:19 | |
-Yes, yes, I do. -It's frightening. -It's very frightening. | 0:18:19 | 0:18:22 | |
-I'm not happy about it. -No? | 0:18:22 | 0:18:23 | |
Pat saw the face creams on Facebook, | 0:18:25 | 0:18:27 | |
but sophisticated online advertising like this | 0:18:27 | 0:18:30 | |
is used right across the internet. | 0:18:30 | 0:18:32 | |
And here's another clever thing about how it works. | 0:18:32 | 0:18:35 | |
You may have noticed that if you search for something online one day, | 0:18:35 | 0:18:38 | |
the very same thing you were looking for will all of a sudden | 0:18:38 | 0:18:41 | |
appear in adverts on other websites you visit the next day. | 0:18:41 | 0:18:45 | |
And that is NOT a coincidence. | 0:18:45 | 0:18:47 | |
Most websites use things called cookies, | 0:18:49 | 0:18:51 | |
software that tracks information about you | 0:18:51 | 0:18:54 | |
on the basis of which websites you visit - and how often you do it. | 0:18:54 | 0:18:57 | |
So, there are two types of cookies that end up on your computer. | 0:18:58 | 0:19:02 | |
The good cookies, as you might like to call them, first party cookies, | 0:19:02 | 0:19:05 | |
and they are an essential part of how the internet works. | 0:19:05 | 0:19:08 | |
They remember preferences, so, for example, | 0:19:08 | 0:19:10 | |
if you're visiting the BBC website it might remember | 0:19:10 | 0:19:14 | |
where you like your weather forecast to be from | 0:19:14 | 0:19:16 | |
or how big you like the text to be on the page. | 0:19:16 | 0:19:18 | |
-Oh, I see... -Now the other cookies, really, are called third party cookies | 0:19:18 | 0:19:22 | |
and these are the tracking cookies that advertisers leave on your machine | 0:19:22 | 0:19:26 | |
and that enables them to do this tracking from place to place, | 0:19:26 | 0:19:30 | |
from site to site, to help them build up this profile. | 0:19:30 | 0:19:33 | |
You can delete those cookies from within your browser and start again. | 0:19:33 | 0:19:36 | |
You're basically wiping the slate clean, | 0:19:36 | 0:19:39 | |
but you will lose a lot of the goodness that comes from those first party cookies as well. | 0:19:39 | 0:19:43 | |
Well, it's amazing. And I don't like it, really. | 0:19:43 | 0:19:47 | |
It's technology, isn't it? | 0:19:47 | 0:19:48 | |
We asked Facebook about the way they work with advertisers - | 0:19:49 | 0:19:52 | |
and how they protect the data of site users like Pat - | 0:19:52 | 0:19:56 | |
but they chose not to comment. | 0:19:56 | 0:19:57 | |
And the company which sold Pat the face cream | 0:19:57 | 0:20:00 | |
apologised to her for any inconvenience, | 0:20:00 | 0:20:02 | |
but pointed out that they were only ever acting | 0:20:02 | 0:20:04 | |
according to their terms and conditions. | 0:20:04 | 0:20:08 | |
It's been an eye-opener for Pat and Jill who now realise | 0:20:08 | 0:20:11 | |
that however much they trust the site where they see an ad, | 0:20:11 | 0:20:14 | |
the ads themselves can be an entirely different story. | 0:20:14 | 0:20:17 | |
I've got a mobile phone, I've got my computer. | 0:20:17 | 0:20:20 | |
It's a wonderful thing. | 0:20:20 | 0:20:22 | |
But I feel that it is really intrusive. | 0:20:22 | 0:20:25 | |
And it reminds me, years and years ago, | 0:20:26 | 0:20:28 | |
they talked about "Big Brother is watching you" | 0:20:28 | 0:20:33 | |
and we never ever thought that it would come, but it's here. | 0:20:33 | 0:20:36 | |
And they know too much about all of us. | 0:20:37 | 0:20:39 | |
Still to come on Rip-Off Britain, the online "friends" | 0:20:45 | 0:20:49 | |
caught out by a scamster in their midst! | 0:20:49 | 0:20:51 | |
I felt sick, I felt stupid. | 0:20:53 | 0:20:55 | |
When I started speaking to the other ladies as well, | 0:20:55 | 0:20:57 | |
they all felt the same. | 0:20:57 | 0:20:59 | |
Our one-stop consumer advice pop-up shop has opened its doors | 0:21:06 | 0:21:10 | |
once again, and this year we came to the West Midlands. | 0:21:10 | 0:21:13 | |
We've got a great team of experts with us this year, | 0:21:13 | 0:21:15 | |
everything from trading standards to online security specialists | 0:21:15 | 0:21:19 | |
not to mention legal and financial experts | 0:21:19 | 0:21:22 | |
and they're all keen to sort out the consumer problems | 0:21:22 | 0:21:25 | |
that you are bringing through the doors. | 0:21:25 | 0:21:27 | |
Hi, Tony, thanks very much for coming in. | 0:21:30 | 0:21:33 | |
Tony Owen came to see financial expert Sarah Pennells | 0:21:33 | 0:21:36 | |
with a complaint that we hear a lot. | 0:21:36 | 0:21:38 | |
He doesn't want to pay his phone bill by direct debit. | 0:21:38 | 0:21:41 | |
But he doesn't see why that should mean he has to pay an extra surcharge. | 0:21:41 | 0:21:46 | |
Although I pay promptly, I get charged £24 per annum | 0:21:46 | 0:21:50 | |
as an additional cost | 0:21:50 | 0:21:52 | |
which I feel is totally unreasonable. | 0:21:52 | 0:21:54 | |
Companies are allowed to charge you extra | 0:21:54 | 0:21:56 | |
as long as they make it clear | 0:21:56 | 0:21:58 | |
when they give you your options for how you pay. | 0:21:58 | 0:22:01 | |
I actually think this is something that...the regulator | 0:22:01 | 0:22:04 | |
needs to take a really close look at this because a lot of people, | 0:22:04 | 0:22:07 | |
like you, want to have a bit more control about how much they pay | 0:22:07 | 0:22:10 | |
-and when they pay it. -That's my prime objection towards direct debits. | 0:22:10 | 0:22:15 | |
Having had a quick scoot around, | 0:22:15 | 0:22:17 | |
I haven't looked at all the companies, | 0:22:17 | 0:22:18 | |
and it seems that the one that you're with actually has one of the lower surcharges. | 0:22:18 | 0:22:22 | |
I mean, there's another company that charges £5 a month | 0:22:22 | 0:22:26 | |
so it's £60 a year, £54 a year. | 0:22:26 | 0:22:29 | |
The figure of between £50 and £60 seems to be standard. | 0:22:29 | 0:22:33 | |
Have you thought about going onto social media to air your feelings? | 0:22:33 | 0:22:37 | |
-You might find other people agree with you. -No, I haven't. | 0:22:37 | 0:22:41 | |
Go out there and make some noise. | 0:22:41 | 0:22:43 | |
I'm not a noisy person normally. | 0:22:43 | 0:22:45 | |
Throughout the weekend, we tried to meet as many of you as we could. | 0:22:49 | 0:22:52 | |
At our pop up shop we give everything free. | 0:22:56 | 0:22:58 | |
Advice free, leaflets free, everything, indeed. Here you go. | 0:22:58 | 0:23:02 | |
And our experts ran workshops packed with tips and advice. | 0:23:04 | 0:23:08 | |
At this one, online security expert David McClelland | 0:23:08 | 0:23:11 | |
had some great hints on how to keep your passwords safe | 0:23:11 | 0:23:14 | |
from internet hackers... | 0:23:14 | 0:23:16 | |
How many of you people out there just have one password | 0:23:16 | 0:23:20 | |
that you use for everything when you're online? | 0:23:20 | 0:23:22 | |
We've all got more and more online accounts, right? | 0:23:25 | 0:23:28 | |
I mean, if I have the same password for all of those accounts, | 0:23:28 | 0:23:32 | |
it's like giving someone a key | 0:23:32 | 0:23:34 | |
and that key is the key to your front door, your back door, | 0:23:34 | 0:23:37 | |
and that's why it's really, really a bad idea | 0:23:37 | 0:23:39 | |
just to have one password to secure your entire digital presence, if you like. | 0:23:39 | 0:23:43 | |
Now the problem is, I have only one password because I can't remember | 0:23:43 | 0:23:47 | |
anything more and I bet a lot of people are the same, | 0:23:47 | 0:23:50 | |
so what do we do about that? | 0:23:50 | 0:23:51 | |
First of all, if you're choosing a password, | 0:23:51 | 0:23:54 | |
do not use a word from the dictionary. | 0:23:54 | 0:23:58 | |
Do not choose something like your mother's maiden name | 0:23:58 | 0:24:00 | |
or the place you were born or the name of your kids | 0:24:00 | 0:24:02 | |
because that's stuff that anyone can easily get access to | 0:24:02 | 0:24:05 | |
from your social networking profile, | 0:24:05 | 0:24:07 | |
so choose something that means something special to you. | 0:24:07 | 0:24:10 | |
So, if your password that you've thought of has got an i in it, | 0:24:10 | 0:24:15 | |
change that to an exclamation mark | 0:24:15 | 0:24:17 | |
because that's not something that appears in a dictionary | 0:24:17 | 0:24:20 | |
and the online fraudsters | 0:24:20 | 0:24:21 | |
are going to find that much more difficult to guess. | 0:24:21 | 0:24:23 | |
So, for example, if there's a B try changing that to a 3 | 0:24:23 | 0:24:27 | |
because it looks a bit like a B, doesn't it? | 0:24:27 | 0:24:30 | |
And we've got an A, that also looks a bit like a number 4. | 0:24:30 | 0:24:35 | |
So when you start mixing all that stuff together | 0:24:35 | 0:24:38 | |
this is a word that will not appear in the dictionary | 0:24:38 | 0:24:41 | |
but will be instantly far more secure | 0:24:41 | 0:24:43 | |
than the password you might have chosen. | 0:24:43 | 0:24:46 | |
David's put together a factsheet on staying safe online. | 0:24:48 | 0:24:51 | |
You can download it from our website at bbc.co.uk/ripoffbritain. | 0:24:51 | 0:24:57 | |
The internet is awash with all sorts of places | 0:25:02 | 0:25:04 | |
where you can sell your unwanted stuff, | 0:25:04 | 0:25:06 | |
or indeed buy somebody else's for a lot less than they would cost new. | 0:25:06 | 0:25:10 | |
An increasing number of you | 0:25:10 | 0:25:11 | |
are turning to your favourite social media sites to buy and sell your goods. | 0:25:11 | 0:25:15 | |
After all, not only will your ad be free | 0:25:15 | 0:25:18 | |
but what better way to sell than amongst like-minded people | 0:25:18 | 0:25:22 | |
that you might even have classified as friends. | 0:25:22 | 0:25:25 | |
But watch out, because some of you have found out the hard way | 0:25:25 | 0:25:28 | |
that just because everyone looks like they're friends online, | 0:25:28 | 0:25:31 | |
doesn't mean they actually are, and some of your online acquaintances | 0:25:31 | 0:25:35 | |
might behave in a distinctly unfriendly way. | 0:25:35 | 0:25:38 | |
Over a third of the entire UK population | 0:25:40 | 0:25:43 | |
is now reckoned to log on to Facebook every single day. | 0:25:43 | 0:25:46 | |
And amongst the social network's most regular users | 0:25:46 | 0:25:49 | |
is event organiser Angela Wood from West Yorkshire. | 0:25:49 | 0:25:53 | |
But she doesn't use it just to keep in touch with friends and family. | 0:25:53 | 0:25:57 | |
The Facebook groups that she's a member of | 0:25:57 | 0:25:59 | |
also play a big part in her wedding planning business. | 0:25:59 | 0:26:02 | |
I think it's more accessible than a lot of other community-based sites | 0:26:02 | 0:26:06 | |
that are on the internet at the moment. | 0:26:06 | 0:26:08 | |
It's a closed group, | 0:26:08 | 0:26:10 | |
so you actually have to be invited onto the group. | 0:26:10 | 0:26:12 | |
That means you can only access the information that's been put there, | 0:26:13 | 0:26:16 | |
or add your own comments and postings, | 0:26:16 | 0:26:19 | |
once you've been accepted by the group's administrators, | 0:26:19 | 0:26:21 | |
or by a friend who's already a member. | 0:26:21 | 0:26:25 | |
Groups like the ones Angela uses have become a way for individuals, | 0:26:25 | 0:26:29 | |
or small businesses like hers, to buy and sell things online. | 0:26:29 | 0:26:34 | |
They're rather like impromptu classified sites, with, it seems, | 0:26:34 | 0:26:38 | |
the added bonus that you're only dealing with like-minded people. | 0:26:38 | 0:26:41 | |
On one of the groups, there is about 40,000 members throughout the UK. | 0:26:42 | 0:26:46 | |
Which is great, but I'm on at least 30 other wedding sites | 0:26:46 | 0:26:51 | |
which are all fantastic for helping each other, | 0:26:51 | 0:26:54 | |
for advising each other, for passing information on. | 0:26:54 | 0:26:58 | |
Angela was coordinating a wedding reception. | 0:26:58 | 0:27:00 | |
And with the budget very tight, | 0:27:00 | 0:27:02 | |
she turned to her trusty Facebook buy and sell sites | 0:27:02 | 0:27:05 | |
to find some bargain accessories to help make it an occasion to remember. | 0:27:05 | 0:27:09 | |
I was talking on Facebook on one of the wedding sites, | 0:27:09 | 0:27:13 | |
asking a lady about certain items that she was selling | 0:27:13 | 0:27:16 | |
and another lady popped up onto the messages and interrupted the messages, | 0:27:16 | 0:27:21 | |
stating that she had some items for sale and would I be interested? | 0:27:21 | 0:27:24 | |
The Facebook user - who called herself Vicky Elliot - | 0:27:25 | 0:27:28 | |
seemed to have just the sort of items Angela was looking for... | 0:27:28 | 0:27:32 | |
I decided to purchase from her a lovely postbox, | 0:27:32 | 0:27:36 | |
some martini glasses, some cushions | 0:27:36 | 0:27:40 | |
and the best thing was a Mr & Mrs wooden carved sign, | 0:27:40 | 0:27:44 | |
which was just in the perfect colours for us. | 0:27:44 | 0:27:46 | |
When Angela asked how she should pay, | 0:27:46 | 0:27:49 | |
she was told that Vicky's PayPal account wasn't working, | 0:27:49 | 0:27:52 | |
so she'd need to pay by bank transfer instead. | 0:27:52 | 0:27:56 | |
And while normally that would set alarm bells ringing, | 0:27:56 | 0:27:59 | |
Vicky was, after all, a member of a closed Facebook group. | 0:27:59 | 0:28:03 | |
So it was easy for Angela to find out a little bit more about her. | 0:28:03 | 0:28:06 | |
I looked at her Facebook profile page. | 0:28:06 | 0:28:09 | |
She had pictures on there of her family, friends, | 0:28:09 | 0:28:13 | |
happy birthday messages... | 0:28:13 | 0:28:15 | |
It just seemed as genuine as my Facebook page. | 0:28:15 | 0:28:18 | |
So I just trusted her. | 0:28:18 | 0:28:20 | |
And that trust grew when Vicky even offered to deduct from her price | 0:28:20 | 0:28:24 | |
the fees that Angela's bank said they'd charge for the transaction. | 0:28:24 | 0:28:27 | |
I just thought, "Oh, what a lovely person." | 0:28:29 | 0:28:31 | |
She just obviously wants to get rid of the items. | 0:28:31 | 0:28:34 | |
She doesn't want them in her house any more. | 0:28:34 | 0:28:36 | |
She... You know, any little bit of money that they can get for them. | 0:28:36 | 0:28:40 | |
So Angela went to her bank | 0:28:42 | 0:28:44 | |
and transferred £76 into Vicky's account. | 0:28:44 | 0:28:47 | |
But when she returned home | 0:28:47 | 0:28:49 | |
and began browsing through some other wedding sites on Facebook, | 0:28:49 | 0:28:51 | |
she made a very worrying discovery... | 0:28:51 | 0:28:54 | |
I just happened to go onto the wedding scammers site, | 0:28:54 | 0:28:58 | |
and that's when her name popped up. | 0:28:58 | 0:29:02 | |
People posting messages about what she'd done to them. | 0:29:02 | 0:29:07 | |
So obviously, I posted my message saying, | 0:29:07 | 0:29:09 | |
"I have just purchased some items from this individual. | 0:29:09 | 0:29:13 | |
"Oh, dear." | 0:29:13 | 0:29:15 | |
And they asked me what I'd purchased and a couple of them said, | 0:29:15 | 0:29:19 | |
"Yeah, we've purchased those items as well from her." | 0:29:19 | 0:29:22 | |
More than 20 users were saying that they had not received | 0:29:23 | 0:29:26 | |
any of the goods they'd purchased from Vicky Elliot. | 0:29:26 | 0:29:28 | |
And as they too had paid her through bank transfer, | 0:29:30 | 0:29:32 | |
there was no way of getting their money back. | 0:29:32 | 0:29:35 | |
Angela immediately got in touch with Vicky | 0:29:36 | 0:29:39 | |
to try and get to the bottom of what she was reading. | 0:29:39 | 0:29:41 | |
I explained to her that there's been a post put up | 0:29:43 | 0:29:46 | |
on one of the sites regarding her, and what she's been up to. | 0:29:46 | 0:29:52 | |
She came back at me, and she said, "I've seen that. | 0:29:52 | 0:29:55 | |
"It's nothing to do with me. Honestly, I am genuine. | 0:29:55 | 0:29:57 | |
"Here is my mobile number, please ring me." Which I did. | 0:29:57 | 0:30:02 | |
She again... We had a long conversation, she again | 0:30:02 | 0:30:05 | |
seemed very genuine, promised me the goods would be in the post | 0:30:05 | 0:30:09 | |
and as we were talking on the telephone she said, | 0:30:09 | 0:30:12 | |
"Look, I'm doing the transaction now, via a courier. | 0:30:12 | 0:30:16 | |
"I will send you all the information." | 0:30:16 | 0:30:18 | |
So Angela was reassured but only temporarily. | 0:30:18 | 0:30:21 | |
Vicky started to make excuses about not being able to send the goods, | 0:30:21 | 0:30:25 | |
and meanwhile, Angela kept seeing more and more allegations | 0:30:25 | 0:30:29 | |
about Vicky appearing on Facebook. | 0:30:29 | 0:30:31 | |
So she felt she had no option but to ask for her money back. | 0:30:32 | 0:30:35 | |
I just thought, hopefully, | 0:30:36 | 0:30:38 | |
she's not even taken the money out of the bank yet, | 0:30:38 | 0:30:41 | |
so she can do a refund. | 0:30:41 | 0:30:44 | |
So I did send her a message in the morning saying, "Please, | 0:30:44 | 0:30:47 | |
"I know I'm not going to get the goods now, | 0:30:47 | 0:30:49 | |
"so please send me a refund." | 0:30:49 | 0:30:51 | |
Which she promised me she would do. | 0:30:51 | 0:30:52 | |
She said she obviously didn't want to speak to me anymore, | 0:30:54 | 0:30:56 | |
but she would send me a refund, and it will be done within two hours. | 0:30:56 | 0:31:00 | |
But, I'm afraid, the two hours passed | 0:31:01 | 0:31:03 | |
and there was no sign of Angela's refund. | 0:31:03 | 0:31:06 | |
When she brought it up with Vicky, | 0:31:06 | 0:31:07 | |
her previously friendly manner seemed to have completely vanished. | 0:31:07 | 0:31:11 | |
She then got very abusive when I sent her a message | 0:31:11 | 0:31:15 | |
asking her why the money wasn't in the account, | 0:31:15 | 0:31:17 | |
as promised, within two hours. | 0:31:17 | 0:31:20 | |
So she just sent me one very, very abusive message and blocked me | 0:31:20 | 0:31:24 | |
so I couldn't send any messages to her. | 0:31:24 | 0:31:26 | |
Wouldn't pick up the phone to me, | 0:31:26 | 0:31:29 | |
so there was just no way that I could contact her at all. | 0:31:29 | 0:31:32 | |
Facing the realisation that she wasn't likely to see her money again, | 0:31:32 | 0:31:37 | |
Angela decided to share her experience | 0:31:37 | 0:31:39 | |
with the other members of the Facebook community. | 0:31:39 | 0:31:41 | |
And for many of them, it was a familiar story. | 0:31:42 | 0:31:44 | |
I felt sick, I felt stupid. | 0:31:44 | 0:31:49 | |
I felt embarrassed. | 0:31:49 | 0:31:52 | |
But when I started speaking to the other ladies as well, | 0:31:52 | 0:31:55 | |
they all felt the same. Unfortunately, some brides | 0:31:55 | 0:31:57 | |
have lost quite a lot of money to this individual, | 0:31:57 | 0:32:01 | |
a lot more than me, and they've done the same thing. | 0:32:01 | 0:32:04 | |
She said exactly the same to them, | 0:32:04 | 0:32:05 | |
that their PayPal wasn't working properly. | 0:32:05 | 0:32:09 | |
But at the end of the day, when you want something, | 0:32:09 | 0:32:12 | |
you're blinkered, and you just think, "Yes, I want them." | 0:32:12 | 0:32:15 | |
We tried to contact Vicky Elliot about Angela's experience, | 0:32:15 | 0:32:18 | |
but she didn't respond to our e-mails or, indeed, our letters. | 0:32:18 | 0:32:22 | |
We also asked Facebook about Angela's situation, | 0:32:22 | 0:32:25 | |
and about the buy and sell pages on their site. | 0:32:25 | 0:32:28 | |
They declined to comment, although in the past, | 0:32:28 | 0:32:31 | |
while stressing the greater accountability and security | 0:32:31 | 0:32:33 | |
that their site offers compared to others, | 0:32:33 | 0:32:36 | |
they've advised people to be vigilant | 0:32:36 | 0:32:38 | |
when buying goods outside of approved retailers. | 0:32:38 | 0:32:40 | |
Angela's experience underlines the advice | 0:32:43 | 0:32:45 | |
we've said on the programme many, many times before. | 0:32:45 | 0:32:48 | |
Avoid buying anything online via a bank transfer. | 0:32:48 | 0:32:52 | |
Because you won't be able to retrieve your money | 0:32:52 | 0:32:54 | |
if there's a problem. | 0:32:54 | 0:32:56 | |
But despite what's happened, | 0:32:56 | 0:32:58 | |
Angela hasn't been put off using community buy and sell sites, | 0:32:58 | 0:33:01 | |
although she'll definitely be more cautious in the future. | 0:33:01 | 0:33:04 | |
I just feel so stupid that I've let it happen. | 0:33:05 | 0:33:09 | |
But it does happen. | 0:33:09 | 0:33:10 | |
I always said that it would never happen to me, | 0:33:10 | 0:33:14 | |
and it has. | 0:33:14 | 0:33:15 | |
Now, this may sound just a little bit scary. | 0:33:22 | 0:33:25 | |
Whether you're someone who shares | 0:33:25 | 0:33:27 | |
absolutely every aspect of your personal life with other people on the social media, | 0:33:27 | 0:33:32 | |
or if you guard your privacy with gusto, | 0:33:32 | 0:33:36 | |
you can be pretty certain that somewhere out there on the internet, | 0:33:36 | 0:33:40 | |
there are pretty basic details of who you are, | 0:33:40 | 0:33:45 | |
where you live, when you were born and they're all freely available. | 0:33:45 | 0:33:49 | |
The truth is, | 0:33:49 | 0:33:50 | |
we're simply not as protective of our personal information as we should be. | 0:33:50 | 0:33:54 | |
So we've done a test to find out | 0:33:54 | 0:33:57 | |
exactly what the consequences of lax security can be. | 0:33:57 | 0:34:01 | |
And to discover how even the most basic details | 0:34:01 | 0:34:05 | |
can help fraudsters earn a fortune. | 0:34:05 | 0:34:07 | |
We're not all as safe online as we'd like to think. | 0:34:10 | 0:34:13 | |
And sharing too much information about ourselves | 0:34:13 | 0:34:16 | |
can make us easy targets for online criminals. | 0:34:16 | 0:34:19 | |
So today, at London's Earls Court, | 0:34:22 | 0:34:23 | |
some of the top experts in internet security have come together | 0:34:23 | 0:34:27 | |
to share ways of beating the fraudsters. | 0:34:27 | 0:34:29 | |
It's the job of people like James Lyne | 0:34:31 | 0:34:33 | |
to stay one step ahead of the scammers. | 0:34:33 | 0:34:36 | |
But that's a challenge that never stops evolving! | 0:34:36 | 0:34:39 | |
Any convenience technology that we come up with, | 0:34:39 | 0:34:41 | |
from wireless to the new internet of things, | 0:34:41 | 0:34:44 | |
devices we're plugging into every part of our homes and business life. | 0:34:44 | 0:34:48 | |
Any time we adopt one of those, | 0:34:48 | 0:34:49 | |
the scammers come up with a creative way to abuse it. | 0:34:49 | 0:34:52 | |
So we've asked James to help us with a test. | 0:34:54 | 0:34:57 | |
To find out just how easy it is to get hold of personal information online, | 0:34:57 | 0:35:01 | |
he's going see how much information he can track down about this man. | 0:35:01 | 0:35:05 | |
I have his name and e-mail address and we're going to find out | 0:35:06 | 0:35:09 | |
exactly how much information we can get online about him and his life. | 0:35:09 | 0:35:15 | |
Our guinea pig for James's research | 0:35:15 | 0:35:17 | |
is Rip-Off Britain viewer Ashley Lawrence, | 0:35:17 | 0:35:20 | |
who wrote to us after he became one of the four million victims | 0:35:20 | 0:35:23 | |
of ID theft in the UK. | 0:35:23 | 0:35:25 | |
James is going to be trying to work out how that happened, | 0:35:27 | 0:35:29 | |
identifying how much information there is online about Ashley, | 0:35:29 | 0:35:33 | |
and showing him how to protect himself from it ever happening again. | 0:35:33 | 0:35:36 | |
Whoever stole Ashley's identity back in 2012 | 0:35:37 | 0:35:40 | |
managed to set up a second user on his credit card, | 0:35:40 | 0:35:44 | |
and spent more than £2,000 before the fraud was spotted. | 0:35:44 | 0:35:47 | |
It was very worrying to find how easily a complete stranger | 0:35:49 | 0:35:54 | |
had been able to find out information about me | 0:35:54 | 0:35:59 | |
and how easy it was for them to convince a bank that they were me. | 0:35:59 | 0:36:04 | |
Ashley did get his money back from the credit card company, | 0:36:06 | 0:36:09 | |
but the crime made it obvious just how insecure his accounts were. | 0:36:09 | 0:36:13 | |
All the fraudster seemed to need was his date of birth | 0:36:13 | 0:36:15 | |
or his mother's maiden name, along with freely available information | 0:36:15 | 0:36:18 | |
like his address or phone number. | 0:36:18 | 0:36:20 | |
Information like my e-mail address, my home address, | 0:36:20 | 0:36:25 | |
my telephone number | 0:36:25 | 0:36:27 | |
is information that I had regarded as not at all confidential. | 0:36:27 | 0:36:32 | |
I'd happily give that information to anybody who requested it. | 0:36:33 | 0:36:37 | |
And many of us might do the same. | 0:36:39 | 0:36:41 | |
But as James is about to demonstrate, | 0:36:41 | 0:36:43 | |
even such basic information is just the starting point for a fraudster. | 0:36:43 | 0:36:47 | |
-Ashley. -How are you? | 0:36:50 | 0:36:51 | |
We'd given James Ashley's full name and e-mail address but nothing more. | 0:36:52 | 0:36:57 | |
But from just those details he was able to open the door | 0:36:57 | 0:37:00 | |
to a surprising amount of personal information. | 0:37:00 | 0:37:02 | |
So, Ashley, I've been doing a little searching | 0:37:04 | 0:37:06 | |
based on the information that you provided | 0:37:06 | 0:37:08 | |
and I just want to share a couple of the results. | 0:37:08 | 0:37:11 | |
-Does this number here mean anything to you? -Yes, it does. | 0:37:11 | 0:37:15 | |
What is that number? | 0:37:15 | 0:37:17 | |
It's been my home telephone number for the last 20 odd years. | 0:37:17 | 0:37:20 | |
And combining these key pieces of information with the name | 0:37:20 | 0:37:24 | |
and e-mail address that he started with, suddenly finding out more | 0:37:24 | 0:37:28 | |
about Ashley is made a lot easier. | 0:37:28 | 0:37:30 | |
Just those small nuggets of information are enough | 0:37:30 | 0:37:34 | |
to start a ripple effect. | 0:37:34 | 0:37:35 | |
Most people don't think twice about posting I'm XYZ age today, | 0:37:35 | 0:37:41 | |
not realising they've just given away their date of birth | 0:37:41 | 0:37:44 | |
which is, of course, a secret when it comes to setting up credit cards, | 0:37:44 | 0:37:48 | |
banking information and alike. | 0:37:48 | 0:37:50 | |
It's much more valuable than people think. | 0:37:50 | 0:37:53 | |
And what's really scary is how far some of this information can travel. | 0:37:53 | 0:37:57 | |
I did actually find a couple of Russian forums | 0:37:57 | 0:38:02 | |
which mentioned your e-mail address and telephone number. | 0:38:02 | 0:38:05 | |
There are people that go out looking for victims | 0:38:05 | 0:38:07 | |
and they've obviously siphoned that information | 0:38:07 | 0:38:09 | |
and put it onto a list and gone, "Hey, here's an interesting target." | 0:38:09 | 0:38:13 | |
I don't think I've ever had any connection | 0:38:13 | 0:38:16 | |
with any Russian person, firm or company, so... | 0:38:16 | 0:38:19 | |
No, it's quite common. | 0:38:19 | 0:38:20 | |
In fact, at the moment your name plus e-mail address and telephone number | 0:38:20 | 0:38:27 | |
can be sold by a cyber-crime gang for about one and a half US dollars. | 0:38:27 | 0:38:31 | |
If they had any financial information about you - | 0:38:31 | 0:38:34 | |
credit card details, bank account details - | 0:38:34 | 0:38:36 | |
that becomes worth about 40 US dollars. | 0:38:36 | 0:38:39 | |
But things are about to get even more shocking for Ashley | 0:38:40 | 0:38:42 | |
as James reveals how even information about Ashley's hobbies | 0:38:42 | 0:38:46 | |
can make him an easy target. | 0:38:46 | 0:38:48 | |
It enables them to tailor a scam, | 0:38:48 | 0:38:51 | |
perhaps knowing the people that you're regularly in contact with | 0:38:51 | 0:38:55 | |
and you trust or the interests that are most likely to get you | 0:38:55 | 0:38:58 | |
to go to a website or double-click. | 0:38:58 | 0:39:00 | |
If you consider, if I was to send you an e-mail from James Lyne | 0:39:00 | 0:39:05 | |
saying please open this file. | 0:39:05 | 0:39:07 | |
Who's James Lyne? And probably ignore it | 0:39:07 | 0:39:09 | |
but if I sent it from one of the members | 0:39:09 | 0:39:12 | |
of the programme committee of this society... | 0:39:12 | 0:39:14 | |
-I'd open it automatically... -..as most people would. | 0:39:14 | 0:39:18 | |
But e-mails like that can come with a dangerous attachment - | 0:39:18 | 0:39:21 | |
or the suggestion you click on a particular link. | 0:39:21 | 0:39:24 | |
You might automatically click that link | 0:39:24 | 0:39:26 | |
before you've even realised the e-mail is not from someone you trust. | 0:39:26 | 0:39:30 | |
That one click won't have led you to anywhere useful. | 0:39:30 | 0:39:33 | |
But it could give the hackers access to everything inside your computer! | 0:39:33 | 0:39:37 | |
Using a second computer, | 0:39:39 | 0:39:41 | |
James can show Ashley exactly how it is | 0:39:41 | 0:39:44 | |
that once you've clicked the link on a spurious e-mail, | 0:39:44 | 0:39:47 | |
a fraudster can get their hands on all of your secrets. | 0:39:47 | 0:39:50 | |
So I've just deployed a virus to this system here | 0:39:50 | 0:39:54 | |
and I can do things like this. | 0:39:54 | 0:39:56 | |
I can grab photos of the screen so this is now me, | 0:40:00 | 0:40:03 | |
the other side of the world, taking photos of your computer. | 0:40:03 | 0:40:07 | |
-Right... -I could turn on the webcam. | 0:40:07 | 0:40:10 | |
I could access the files on the system as well. | 0:40:10 | 0:40:13 | |
What's on my computer, you now have access to. | 0:40:13 | 0:40:16 | |
-Exactly. -And I don't know that you've done that? -Exactly. | 0:40:16 | 0:40:18 | |
So, a trail that begins with something as simple as a name | 0:40:18 | 0:40:22 | |
and an e-mail address can end up with hackers getting full access | 0:40:22 | 0:40:25 | |
to your computer and anything that's on it. | 0:40:25 | 0:40:28 | |
-It's terrifying. -It's surprisingly easy, isn't it? | 0:40:28 | 0:40:31 | |
With such a little bit of information, | 0:40:31 | 0:40:33 | |
that they're able to expand upon it. | 0:40:33 | 0:40:38 | |
And really take over my personality, my...that's terrifying. | 0:40:38 | 0:40:43 | |
But don't panic! | 0:40:43 | 0:40:44 | |
James has got plenty of advice | 0:40:44 | 0:40:46 | |
to help us all better protect ourselves. | 0:40:46 | 0:40:49 | |
First things first, make sure you're running good, | 0:40:49 | 0:40:51 | |
-up-to-date anti-virus and security software on your computer. -Yes. | 0:40:51 | 0:40:56 | |
It's not going to stop everything | 0:40:56 | 0:40:57 | |
but it will deal with a lot of the problems. | 0:40:57 | 0:41:00 | |
Next, you want to make sure that if you do have an online presence | 0:41:00 | 0:41:03 | |
like your e-mail address you're sharing to the world, | 0:41:03 | 0:41:07 | |
maybe have another e-mail address that you use for your online shopping | 0:41:07 | 0:41:10 | |
or another e-mail address you use with friends and family | 0:41:10 | 0:41:13 | |
so that they can't just hit you in one place and get everything. | 0:41:13 | 0:41:16 | |
And finally, a non-technical one, just consider, | 0:41:18 | 0:41:22 | |
does this person really need that information? | 0:41:22 | 0:41:24 | |
Can I lie and give them | 0:41:24 | 0:41:26 | |
a false date of birth to limit the data that's out there about you? | 0:41:26 | 0:41:31 | |
Those are all tips Ashley will be following from now on. | 0:41:31 | 0:41:34 | |
I'm going to be very much more careful in future | 0:41:34 | 0:41:38 | |
about giving information. | 0:41:38 | 0:41:41 | |
I'm going to be far more wary, far more cautious | 0:41:41 | 0:41:46 | |
and I'd advise other people to do the same. | 0:41:46 | 0:41:49 | |
Here at Rip-Off Britain, | 0:41:57 | 0:41:58 | |
we're always ready to investigate more of your stories. | 0:41:58 | 0:42:02 | |
You can write to us at: | 0:42:02 | 0:42:04 | |
Or send us an e-mail to: | 0:42:10 | 0:42:12 | |
And remember that the Rip-Off team | 0:42:15 | 0:42:17 | |
is ready and waiting to investigate your stories. | 0:42:17 | 0:42:20 | |
You know, I would guess that most of us who use the internet have, | 0:42:25 | 0:42:28 | |
at some point or another, given out details | 0:42:28 | 0:42:30 | |
that we just would not dream of handing over to someone in person. | 0:42:30 | 0:42:33 | |
Because really it's just too easy to forget, | 0:42:33 | 0:42:35 | |
when you're sitting in the comfort of your own home, | 0:42:35 | 0:42:38 | |
that we can't necessarily trust everything or everyone | 0:42:38 | 0:42:41 | |
that we come across online. | 0:42:41 | 0:42:43 | |
And that's a mistake that could leave you out of pocket. | 0:42:43 | 0:42:47 | |
So the obvious advice is not to take what you see on a website as fact | 0:42:47 | 0:42:51 | |
without doing a bit more research yourself. | 0:42:51 | 0:42:53 | |
Because sometimes the online shop | 0:42:53 | 0:42:55 | |
that looks like it's just around the corner might not be. | 0:42:55 | 0:42:58 | |
And that advert that seems to be speaking directly to your interests | 0:42:58 | 0:43:01 | |
has been put there to do just that. | 0:43:01 | 0:43:04 | |
So remember, whenever a website is asking for personal details, | 0:43:04 | 0:43:07 | |
money - or both - it pays to be cautious before you give away either. | 0:43:07 | 0:43:11 | |
Well, one website you can definitely trust is our own | 0:43:11 | 0:43:14 | |
at bbc.co.uk/ripoffbritain. | 0:43:14 | 0:43:18 | |
You'll find plenty more tips and advice there | 0:43:18 | 0:43:20 | |
about staying safe online and we'll be back soon with more stories | 0:43:20 | 0:43:24 | |
that we hope will keep you and your money out of trouble. | 0:43:24 | 0:43:26 | |
-Till then, from all of us, goodbye. -Bye-bye. | 0:43:26 | 0:43:28 |