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We asked YOU to tell us what's left you feeling ripped off | 0:00:02 | 0:00:04 | |
and you contacted us in your thousands. | 0:00:04 | 0:00:07 | |
You've told us about the companies you think get it wrong | 0:00:07 | 0:00:09 | |
and the customer service that simply isn't up to scratch. | 0:00:09 | 0:00:13 | |
There's a lot of blurb written down, | 0:00:13 | 0:00:16 | |
but in practice, the words are absolutely meaningless. | 0:00:16 | 0:00:18 | |
I mean, people just can't afford these prices. It's ridiculous. | 0:00:18 | 0:00:22 | |
You've asked us to track down the scammers who stole your money. | 0:00:22 | 0:00:25 | |
And investigate the extra charges that you say are unfair. | 0:00:25 | 0:00:29 | |
They're in a win-win situation | 0:00:29 | 0:00:31 | |
and you're in a lose-lose situation. | 0:00:31 | 0:00:33 | |
If you don't do something about it, I think it's your own fault. | 0:00:33 | 0:00:37 | |
And when you've lost out but nobody else is to blame, | 0:00:38 | 0:00:41 | |
you've come to us to stop others falling into the same trap. | 0:00:41 | 0:00:45 | |
So whether it's a blatant rip-off, or a genuine mistake... | 0:00:45 | 0:00:48 | |
We're here to find out why you're out of pocket | 0:00:48 | 0:00:51 | |
and what you can do about it. | 0:00:51 | 0:00:53 | |
Your stories, your money. This is Rip-Off Britain. | 0:00:53 | 0:00:57 | |
Hello and welcome to Rip-Off Britain. | 0:01:00 | 0:01:02 | |
Now, this is a programme that fights your corner | 0:01:02 | 0:01:05 | |
when you don't think that you've been fairly treated. | 0:01:05 | 0:01:07 | |
And we have some corking examples of that on the programme today. | 0:01:07 | 0:01:10 | |
But in the sort of situations we'll be hearing about, | 0:01:10 | 0:01:13 | |
what can make things particularly frustrating | 0:01:13 | 0:01:15 | |
is that however fed up you might feel, | 0:01:15 | 0:01:17 | |
it doesn't necessarily mean whoever you've been dealing with | 0:01:17 | 0:01:21 | |
has actually done anything wrong. | 0:01:21 | 0:01:23 | |
Each of our stories involves some sort of decision | 0:01:23 | 0:01:26 | |
that the people on the receiving end would say is unreasonable. | 0:01:26 | 0:01:29 | |
But the companies or official bodies they're up against, | 0:01:29 | 0:01:32 | |
and they're the kind of organisations all of us might deal with every day, | 0:01:32 | 0:01:35 | |
would argue that they're completely within their rights | 0:01:35 | 0:01:38 | |
to take the line that they have, | 0:01:38 | 0:01:40 | |
even if it means leaving you out of pocket | 0:01:40 | 0:01:42 | |
or stuck with the long-term repercussions of some you really disagree with. | 0:01:42 | 0:01:46 | |
So, if you have ever felt aggrieved at having to pay for something | 0:01:46 | 0:01:50 | |
that you really didn't think you should have, | 0:01:50 | 0:01:52 | |
some of today's stories really will strike a chord with you, | 0:01:52 | 0:01:55 | |
especially as frankly anyone of us | 0:01:55 | 0:01:57 | |
could very easily end up in the same situation. | 0:01:57 | 0:02:00 | |
So, I hope we're going to have plenty of advice to make sure | 0:02:00 | 0:02:02 | |
that if the same thing does happen to you, | 0:02:02 | 0:02:04 | |
you will know exactly what to do next. | 0:02:04 | 0:02:07 | |
Coming up: why extending or improving your home | 0:02:09 | 0:02:12 | |
could push your council tax bill through the roof... | 0:02:12 | 0:02:15 | |
They're basically saying that it is two separate properties, | 0:02:15 | 0:02:18 | |
which we don't feel it is. | 0:02:18 | 0:02:20 | |
..how a missing car key | 0:02:21 | 0:02:22 | |
left this woman thousands of pounds out of pocket, | 0:02:22 | 0:02:25 | |
when her car was stolen... | 0:02:25 | 0:02:27 | |
The insurance company said without the spare key, | 0:02:27 | 0:02:30 | |
they would not pay out the claim. | 0:02:30 | 0:02:32 | |
..and more on-the-spot advice at our pop-up shop. | 0:02:32 | 0:02:36 | |
As the saying goes, an Englishman's home is his castle. | 0:02:40 | 0:02:44 | |
And every year, we spend billions of pounds | 0:02:44 | 0:02:46 | |
making our homes bigger and better, | 0:02:46 | 0:02:48 | |
some of us choosing to add an extra room or two, | 0:02:48 | 0:02:50 | |
by perhaps converting the loft or maybe building above the garage, | 0:02:50 | 0:02:54 | |
or even transforming downstairs by creating a big extension. | 0:02:54 | 0:02:58 | |
But whatever the reason, | 0:02:58 | 0:02:59 | |
the whole point is you're adding to the home you've already got, | 0:02:59 | 0:03:03 | |
rather than going to all the bother of moving to a new one. | 0:03:03 | 0:03:06 | |
But, you know, that smart new extension or annexe | 0:03:06 | 0:03:09 | |
can have an unexpected and very expensive consequence. | 0:03:09 | 0:03:13 | |
It could mean that as far as the local authority is concerned, | 0:03:13 | 0:03:16 | |
you are the proud owner of not one, but two houses. | 0:03:16 | 0:03:19 | |
And if what you thought was just a bit more space | 0:03:19 | 0:03:22 | |
is classed as an entirely separate property, | 0:03:22 | 0:03:24 | |
you may find yourself hit with a second council tax bill. | 0:03:24 | 0:03:28 | |
Martin Strange and his partner Ciaran O'Hagan | 0:03:30 | 0:03:33 | |
moved to this bungalow in Dorset just before Christmas in 2011. | 0:03:33 | 0:03:37 | |
Compared to their old house, it has one big advantage | 0:03:38 | 0:03:41 | |
that instantly convinced them it was right for them... | 0:03:41 | 0:03:44 | |
..space. | 0:03:44 | 0:03:46 | |
Not least because of this very versatile bit at the back. | 0:03:46 | 0:03:50 | |
There's the extension in question, that contains a bedroom, | 0:03:50 | 0:03:53 | |
en suite facilities and a utility room that we used it for. | 0:03:53 | 0:03:57 | |
The bungalow had been extended by the previous owners | 0:03:57 | 0:04:01 | |
ten years before Martin and Ciaran bought it. | 0:04:01 | 0:04:03 | |
It had passed all building regulations | 0:04:03 | 0:04:05 | |
but had not been inspected the Valuation Office Agency. | 0:04:05 | 0:04:09 | |
That's the government body that checks that you're paying the right amount of council tax. | 0:04:09 | 0:04:13 | |
And when Martin and Ciaran bought the property, | 0:04:13 | 0:04:16 | |
it prompted the Valuation Office Agency | 0:04:16 | 0:04:18 | |
to ask if someone could come and have a look. | 0:04:18 | 0:04:21 | |
After they left, we received a report from them | 0:04:23 | 0:04:26 | |
and they said that the extension, | 0:04:26 | 0:04:28 | |
they want to classify that as a separate annexe, | 0:04:28 | 0:04:30 | |
therefore liable to its own separate council tax. | 0:04:30 | 0:04:33 | |
The Valuation Office Agency didn't believe | 0:04:33 | 0:04:35 | |
that the bungalow was just one property. | 0:04:35 | 0:04:38 | |
They were saying this extension is a self-contained unit, | 0:04:38 | 0:04:41 | |
it's got its own separate bedroom with en suite facilities, | 0:04:41 | 0:04:44 | |
they classified the utility space as being a kitchen, | 0:04:44 | 0:04:47 | |
because there was a sink in there as well, | 0:04:47 | 0:04:49 | |
and they were saying we could just plug in a microwave, therefore we've got cooking facilities | 0:04:49 | 0:04:54 | |
and it's also got these patio doors here, as well. | 0:04:54 | 0:04:56 | |
So they were saying that was an entranceway to the extension. | 0:04:56 | 0:05:01 | |
So, on top of their existing council tax bill, | 0:05:01 | 0:05:03 | |
Martin and Ciaran were being told they would have to pay a second one | 0:05:03 | 0:05:07 | |
just for the extension. | 0:05:07 | 0:05:09 | |
We just couldn't believe it when that letter came through. | 0:05:09 | 0:05:11 | |
Because if you look at this property, it's an extension. | 0:05:11 | 0:05:15 | |
And everyone else, all our friends, family who arrive here, | 0:05:15 | 0:05:18 | |
they just see it as an extension | 0:05:18 | 0:05:20 | |
-so, we were absolutely livid, weren't we? -Yeah, furious. | 0:05:20 | 0:05:23 | |
In addition to the £1,540 a year that they paid in council tax | 0:05:23 | 0:05:28 | |
for the rest of the bungalow, | 0:05:28 | 0:05:29 | |
the extension would cost the couple another £868 a year, | 0:05:29 | 0:05:34 | |
despite the fact that they only used it as a guest bedroom | 0:05:34 | 0:05:37 | |
and a utility room. | 0:05:37 | 0:05:39 | |
Their argument to that was that it's the potential use for that area. | 0:05:40 | 0:05:44 | |
It doesn't matter what it's being used for at the moment. | 0:05:44 | 0:05:47 | |
In the two years since, | 0:05:47 | 0:05:48 | |
Martin and Ciaran have paid almost £2,000 in extra council tax. | 0:05:48 | 0:05:53 | |
They also tried appealing the decision. | 0:05:53 | 0:05:55 | |
But when their appeal was unsuccessful, | 0:05:55 | 0:05:57 | |
they decided the only solution was to fork out even more money | 0:05:57 | 0:06:01 | |
to convert their property again so that they could convince the | 0:06:01 | 0:06:04 | |
Valuation Office Agency that their home really is just one dwelling. | 0:06:04 | 0:06:08 | |
We've taken out the tumble dryer, the washing machine, | 0:06:10 | 0:06:13 | |
the sink, removed all the power points. | 0:06:13 | 0:06:16 | |
And we've put a wall in as well. | 0:06:16 | 0:06:19 | |
By just changing the character of that room, | 0:06:19 | 0:06:21 | |
the Valuation Office Agency have classed it as just one property now. | 0:06:21 | 0:06:24 | |
But even that decision in April 2014 had a sting in its tail. | 0:06:24 | 0:06:29 | |
The Valuation Office Agency raised the council tax band | 0:06:29 | 0:06:32 | |
of the whole property, | 0:06:32 | 0:06:34 | |
so Martin and Ciaran are still left paying hundreds of pounds a year | 0:06:34 | 0:06:37 | |
more than they expected when they first bought the house. | 0:06:37 | 0:06:41 | |
Now, it's estimated by the government | 0:06:41 | 0:06:44 | |
that over 24,000 homes in England alone have an annexe. | 0:06:44 | 0:06:47 | |
So, this extra council taxation | 0:06:47 | 0:06:50 | |
could really affect an awful lot of people. | 0:06:50 | 0:06:52 | |
Sue Meyer and Paul Meredith decided to build an extension | 0:06:53 | 0:06:57 | |
after Sue's mum moved in with them a few years back. | 0:06:57 | 0:07:00 | |
But as soon as they put the house on the market at the end of 2013, | 0:07:00 | 0:07:03 | |
the same thing happened to them. | 0:07:03 | 0:07:05 | |
Along came an extra council tax bill. | 0:07:05 | 0:07:09 | |
Paul and Sue, maybe we'll just start by demonstrating | 0:07:09 | 0:07:13 | |
really how you extended the house? | 0:07:13 | 0:07:15 | |
Yeah, the original house was that section over there which was | 0:07:15 | 0:07:17 | |
built in the 1960s and we've basically extended it by putting | 0:07:17 | 0:07:21 | |
two rooms up above which was an old garage. | 0:07:21 | 0:07:25 | |
So, the downstairs bit was a garage? | 0:07:25 | 0:07:27 | |
This was a garage which we turned into a living room | 0:07:27 | 0:07:29 | |
and we basically extended it by putting two rooms above. | 0:07:29 | 0:07:32 | |
What really is the Valuation Office saying to you? | 0:07:32 | 0:07:34 | |
They're basically saying that it is two separate properties, | 0:07:34 | 0:07:37 | |
which we don't feel it is. | 0:07:37 | 0:07:39 | |
On what grounds? | 0:07:39 | 0:07:41 | |
On the grounds we all live together. | 0:07:41 | 0:07:43 | |
There's only one lot of facilities going in, services, | 0:07:43 | 0:07:46 | |
telephone and as I say, to us, it's just one house. | 0:07:46 | 0:07:51 | |
Even so, the Valuation Office Agency deemed the extension | 0:07:51 | 0:07:56 | |
a separate property entirely. | 0:07:56 | 0:07:58 | |
The extension doesn't include new external entrances | 0:07:58 | 0:08:01 | |
because both doors at the front were in the original house | 0:08:01 | 0:08:04 | |
but Paul and Sue have added a bedroom with en-suite, | 0:08:04 | 0:08:08 | |
converted the garage into a sitting room, and changed the old | 0:08:08 | 0:08:11 | |
utility room into an overflow kitchen area and breakfast room. | 0:08:11 | 0:08:15 | |
-So now we're in the new part of the extension. -That's right. | 0:08:15 | 0:08:18 | |
And how much are you being charged for effectively two rooms? | 0:08:18 | 0:08:22 | |
1,230-something pounds. | 0:08:22 | 0:08:25 | |
-To be precise. -Yeah. | 0:08:25 | 0:08:27 | |
So, really, that's a lot of money for just two rooms, isn't it? | 0:08:27 | 0:08:30 | |
It is, yes. | 0:08:30 | 0:08:32 | |
When you were getting permission to add on what you have, | 0:08:32 | 0:08:35 | |
did anybody at any stage ever say that perhaps you were | 0:08:35 | 0:08:37 | |
opening yourself up to having two council tax bills | 0:08:37 | 0:08:41 | |
because this could be regarded as two houses? | 0:08:41 | 0:08:43 | |
No, we weren't informed at all. | 0:08:43 | 0:08:46 | |
No, all the correspondence we had regarding planning | 0:08:46 | 0:08:49 | |
from the architects, from the council. | 0:08:49 | 0:08:51 | |
Nothing was ever mentioned with regard to two separate bandings | 0:08:51 | 0:08:55 | |
-on this property. -And did you ever raise the issue yourself? | 0:08:55 | 0:08:58 | |
No, because we never thought it was relevant | 0:08:58 | 0:09:01 | |
because we treat it as one house. You know, it's one family home. | 0:09:01 | 0:09:06 | |
If you have an extension, | 0:09:07 | 0:09:09 | |
the last thing you'll want is to suddenly find yourself landed | 0:09:09 | 0:09:12 | |
with an unexpected extra bill, especially years after it was built. | 0:09:12 | 0:09:17 | |
So we asked planning expert Ian Woodward-Court | 0:09:17 | 0:09:20 | |
to visit Sue and Paul's house to shed some light on it all. | 0:09:20 | 0:09:24 | |
If you're just building an extension with an extra bedroom, | 0:09:24 | 0:09:28 | |
then that's unlikely to start being classed as a true annexe. | 0:09:28 | 0:09:31 | |
If you put in extra bathrooms and kitchens, | 0:09:31 | 0:09:33 | |
you start erring towards it being self-contained | 0:09:33 | 0:09:36 | |
and then the Valuation Agency will get interested. | 0:09:36 | 0:09:39 | |
But then it brings me to this house | 0:09:39 | 0:09:40 | |
-because there are no separate utilities. -Yep. | 0:09:40 | 0:09:43 | |
The actual facilities were all there originally, | 0:09:43 | 0:09:46 | |
they just added up and, of course, did add on an extra bathroom, | 0:09:46 | 0:09:50 | |
so what is the weakness here then in this scenario? | 0:09:50 | 0:09:53 | |
Having walked around the house earlier, | 0:09:53 | 0:09:55 | |
I think the real shame is they have... | 0:09:55 | 0:09:57 | |
It does feel like they've got two separate kitchens, | 0:09:57 | 0:10:00 | |
if that was just one big kitchen, there might not be an issue here. | 0:10:00 | 0:10:03 | |
What would you like to see happening? | 0:10:03 | 0:10:05 | |
Well, what most councils provide now is pre-application advice. | 0:10:05 | 0:10:08 | |
Unfortunately, I'm not sure many councils at that meeting | 0:10:08 | 0:10:11 | |
will flag up the issue of council tax. | 0:10:11 | 0:10:13 | |
Every local authority have their planning policies | 0:10:13 | 0:10:16 | |
and really all it needs to be is a sentence or two | 0:10:16 | 0:10:19 | |
in there about the potential for a council tax liability. | 0:10:19 | 0:10:23 | |
It's not clear how many houses nationwide | 0:10:23 | 0:10:25 | |
may have been affected in this way. | 0:10:25 | 0:10:27 | |
But I've come to Sue and Paul's local authority in Hereford | 0:10:27 | 0:10:30 | |
to see what they can do to make homeowners more aware | 0:10:30 | 0:10:34 | |
of the risk that this could happen. | 0:10:34 | 0:10:36 | |
Very good of you to see us. How are you? | 0:10:36 | 0:10:38 | |
'Tony Johnson is the leader of the council.' | 0:10:38 | 0:10:41 | |
The main cry seems to be "nobody told us, | 0:10:41 | 0:10:44 | |
"we didn't know that we might be liable for two tax bills." | 0:10:44 | 0:10:48 | |
So, surely there must be responsibility | 0:10:48 | 0:10:50 | |
somewhere in the planning? | 0:10:50 | 0:10:52 | |
There's no formal requirement placed on us | 0:10:52 | 0:10:54 | |
to provide such notification, but the point you raised is a very good one. | 0:10:54 | 0:10:58 | |
And whilst it's not been done in the past, we'd be very happy to | 0:10:58 | 0:11:02 | |
make sure that in future anybody that applies to this authority | 0:11:02 | 0:11:05 | |
for an extension or an annexe to the house, | 0:11:05 | 0:11:08 | |
we will draw to their attention the fact that this application | 0:11:08 | 0:11:12 | |
could bring with it an additional council tax liability. | 0:11:12 | 0:11:16 | |
So you're giving us the assurance that will happen in the future? | 0:11:16 | 0:11:19 | |
Here in Herefordshire it will happen. | 0:11:19 | 0:11:21 | |
So, that's a really good result for anyone in the area planning | 0:11:22 | 0:11:25 | |
an extension in the future. | 0:11:25 | 0:11:27 | |
But I'm afraid it comes too late for Sue and Paul | 0:11:27 | 0:11:30 | |
who are very disappointed they were not made aware of this in advance. | 0:11:30 | 0:11:34 | |
We put their case and Martin and Ciaran's | 0:11:35 | 0:11:37 | |
to the body that checks the level of council tax, | 0:11:37 | 0:11:40 | |
the Valuation Office Agency or the VOA. | 0:11:40 | 0:11:43 | |
And they reiterated that in both cases | 0:11:43 | 0:11:45 | |
the adapted layout of the buildings meant that, | 0:11:45 | 0:11:48 | |
in the eyes of the law, each had become two separate dwellings. | 0:11:48 | 0:11:52 | |
And they pointed out | 0:11:52 | 0:11:53 | |
that when Martin and Ciaran's property was marketed, | 0:11:53 | 0:11:56 | |
it was actually advertised as having a one bedroom annexe. | 0:11:56 | 0:11:59 | |
The VOA then went on to explain that they always make their decisions | 0:11:59 | 0:12:03 | |
based on the physical characteristics of a building, | 0:12:03 | 0:12:06 | |
rather than whether anybody lives in the extension, | 0:12:06 | 0:12:09 | |
or whether it has a separate postal address or utilities. | 0:12:09 | 0:12:13 | |
They told us that if a homeowner disagrees with the decision, | 0:12:13 | 0:12:16 | |
they can always ask for a review | 0:12:16 | 0:12:18 | |
and if they're still not happy with the decision, | 0:12:18 | 0:12:20 | |
there's an independent valuation tribunal which they can go to. | 0:12:20 | 0:12:24 | |
But there is good news for people like Sue and Paul and anyone else | 0:12:26 | 0:12:29 | |
who's genuinely using their extension as a granny annexe. | 0:12:29 | 0:12:33 | |
In April 2014, the law was changed | 0:12:33 | 0:12:36 | |
so that if you have a family member living in this type of extension | 0:12:36 | 0:12:39 | |
they could get a 50% reduction to the second council tax bill. | 0:12:39 | 0:12:44 | |
And if they're over 65, or disabled, | 0:12:44 | 0:12:47 | |
they will be exempt from paying altogether. | 0:12:47 | 0:12:50 | |
But if, like Martin and Ciaran, | 0:12:50 | 0:12:52 | |
your extra space was added just to make your home bigger, | 0:12:52 | 0:12:55 | |
then there's no such reduction available. | 0:12:55 | 0:12:57 | |
And while the second round of changes they've made to the property | 0:12:57 | 0:13:00 | |
has led to their home being classed as just one dwelling again, | 0:13:00 | 0:13:03 | |
they had no idea that this situation could ever even arise. | 0:13:03 | 0:13:08 | |
We bought this bungalow on the understanding | 0:13:08 | 0:13:10 | |
that we were told by both the estate agents and the solicitors | 0:13:10 | 0:13:14 | |
that it's one property. | 0:13:14 | 0:13:15 | |
That's what we bought it on and if we had been told otherwise, | 0:13:15 | 0:13:18 | |
we would've walked away from it. | 0:13:18 | 0:13:20 | |
Now, here's a question to make you go hot and cold all over. | 0:13:26 | 0:13:30 | |
Have you ever lost your car keys? | 0:13:30 | 0:13:32 | |
And do you know for sure where the spare key is, | 0:13:32 | 0:13:35 | |
or if you even have one at all? | 0:13:35 | 0:13:37 | |
Well, for one Rip-Off Britain viewer, not having a spare key for her car | 0:13:37 | 0:13:41 | |
has led to a host of problems that, if she can't sort them out, | 0:13:41 | 0:13:45 | |
will leave her hugely out of pocket. | 0:13:45 | 0:13:47 | |
Mention the name Dagenham, East London, | 0:13:47 | 0:13:50 | |
and there's one particular car brand which will typically spring to mind. | 0:13:50 | 0:13:54 | |
This is where the line starts at Dagenham. | 0:13:54 | 0:13:56 | |
Fords call it a carousel, | 0:13:56 | 0:13:59 | |
a worker's merry-go-round on which the belly of the car is built. | 0:13:59 | 0:14:04 | |
Nicola Baker is a teacher in the town. | 0:14:04 | 0:14:06 | |
Normally her attention's taken up with the rigours of marking | 0:14:06 | 0:14:09 | |
and lesson planning. | 0:14:09 | 0:14:11 | |
But when her mind does turn to transport, her choice of wheels | 0:14:11 | 0:14:15 | |
has inevitably been influenced by her home and her dad, Frank. | 0:14:15 | 0:14:19 | |
He worked at the Dagenham car plant for 35 years, | 0:14:19 | 0:14:23 | |
so, little wonder that when she bought a car it was a Ford Fiesta. | 0:14:23 | 0:14:27 | |
Love driving the car, windows down, especially when it was hot, | 0:14:28 | 0:14:32 | |
being a bright red car it was very easily noticeable | 0:14:32 | 0:14:34 | |
so, all my friends liked it, as well. | 0:14:34 | 0:14:37 | |
But then, in the early hours of one morning in May 2013, | 0:14:37 | 0:14:41 | |
Nicola's pride and joy was stolen from outside her house. | 0:14:41 | 0:14:45 | |
Her neighbour, Keith, saw it happen. | 0:14:45 | 0:14:47 | |
What do you remember that morning, Keith? | 0:14:47 | 0:14:49 | |
4:30, alarm went off, went to the window | 0:14:49 | 0:14:53 | |
and I saw it pull from there going that way. | 0:14:53 | 0:14:58 | |
And then they just... | 0:14:58 | 0:15:00 | |
raced off. | 0:15:00 | 0:15:02 | |
With no sign of the car, Nicola called her insurer | 0:15:02 | 0:15:06 | |
One Call Insurance, to report the theft. | 0:15:06 | 0:15:08 | |
They asked her to send them the logbook, | 0:15:08 | 0:15:10 | |
a list of things that were left inside the vehicle, | 0:15:10 | 0:15:12 | |
along with the main key and any other keys she might have. | 0:15:12 | 0:15:16 | |
Nicola didn't think she had a spare key | 0:15:16 | 0:15:18 | |
so she just sent everything else off instead. | 0:15:18 | 0:15:21 | |
While the claim was being processed, Nicola borrowed her parents' car | 0:15:21 | 0:15:25 | |
just like she had when she was a teenager. | 0:15:25 | 0:15:27 | |
I thought, "I'll be paid out soon and I'll be able to have a new car." | 0:15:27 | 0:15:31 | |
But it would turn out that Nicola would be driving her parents' car | 0:15:32 | 0:15:35 | |
for a lot longer than any of them expected. | 0:15:35 | 0:15:37 | |
One Call Insurance had told her that she'd either get a new car | 0:15:39 | 0:15:42 | |
or the value of the car in cash, but they couldn't process the claim | 0:15:42 | 0:15:46 | |
until the police had sent them their report. | 0:15:46 | 0:15:49 | |
Months passed and Nicola repeatedly called One Call | 0:15:49 | 0:15:53 | |
and the police to find out why the report wasn't being sent through. | 0:15:53 | 0:15:57 | |
I'm ringing up regularly, | 0:15:57 | 0:15:59 | |
asking to find out what's happening with my claim. | 0:15:59 | 0:16:01 | |
One week I speak to someone | 0:16:01 | 0:16:03 | |
and then he's not working there the next week, | 0:16:03 | 0:16:06 | |
he might have given me some information, | 0:16:06 | 0:16:08 | |
I'm then told that the information he gave me was incorrect, | 0:16:08 | 0:16:11 | |
I then speak to someone else the following week. | 0:16:11 | 0:16:14 | |
Nobody seemed able to explain to Nicola properly | 0:16:14 | 0:16:17 | |
what was behind the delay. | 0:16:17 | 0:16:20 | |
Finally, almost five months after the car was stolen, | 0:16:20 | 0:16:23 | |
One Call received the report. | 0:16:23 | 0:16:26 | |
I was so thrilled that the police report had arrived | 0:16:26 | 0:16:29 | |
at the insurance company, I thought, "OK, this is going to be it." | 0:16:29 | 0:16:33 | |
But a further three and a half months passed | 0:16:33 | 0:16:36 | |
and One Call still hadn't paid out on Nicola's claims. | 0:16:36 | 0:16:39 | |
Eventually, they told her why. | 0:16:39 | 0:16:41 | |
She hadn't returned the spare car key. | 0:16:41 | 0:16:44 | |
I get a phone call to say without the spare key to the car | 0:16:44 | 0:16:48 | |
the claim will not be going through. | 0:16:48 | 0:16:50 | |
I didn't actually remember getting a spare key | 0:16:50 | 0:16:52 | |
when I bought the car, but when the insurance company spoke to Fords, | 0:16:52 | 0:16:56 | |
on the log it says that I had two keys. | 0:16:56 | 0:17:00 | |
Still unsure that she even had a spare key at all, | 0:17:00 | 0:17:03 | |
Nicola thought that if there was one, it could only be in one place. | 0:17:03 | 0:17:06 | |
The keys are always kept at Mum and Dad's house in their kitchen | 0:17:06 | 0:17:10 | |
so I went to the kitchen, took out the key that was in there, | 0:17:10 | 0:17:13 | |
the only key, that must be the spare key to my car. | 0:17:13 | 0:17:16 | |
Sent off the spare key to the car thinking, that's that done, | 0:17:16 | 0:17:20 | |
a bit sooner to getting the money. | 0:17:20 | 0:17:22 | |
But the insurance company told her that the key she'd sent | 0:17:22 | 0:17:25 | |
wasn't the spare key for her car | 0:17:25 | 0:17:28 | |
because it didn't match the main key she'd already sent. | 0:17:28 | 0:17:31 | |
And to Nicola's utter astonishment, | 0:17:31 | 0:17:33 | |
for that reason her claim was rejected. | 0:17:33 | 0:17:36 | |
The insurance company accused her of making a false claim. | 0:17:36 | 0:17:39 | |
The insurance company have said without the spare key | 0:17:39 | 0:17:43 | |
and the spare key that I had didn't fit the car, | 0:17:43 | 0:17:45 | |
they would not pay out the claim for the car. | 0:17:45 | 0:17:48 | |
Keen to get to the bottom of what could have happened, Nicola asked | 0:17:48 | 0:17:52 | |
the insurer to send back the key she thought could've been her spare. | 0:17:52 | 0:17:55 | |
After all, if it wasn't her key, | 0:17:55 | 0:17:58 | |
it must have been the spare for one of her parents' cars. | 0:17:58 | 0:18:00 | |
But they didn't return it. | 0:18:00 | 0:18:03 | |
I asked for the car key back, to have as my property. | 0:18:03 | 0:18:07 | |
It's not been sent back, so I still haven't got it. | 0:18:07 | 0:18:10 | |
Nicola can't understand why her insurer hasn't explained | 0:18:10 | 0:18:13 | |
what they mean by a false claim | 0:18:13 | 0:18:15 | |
and she says it feels like the finger is being pointed at her. | 0:18:15 | 0:18:19 | |
I didn't arrange the theft of my own car. | 0:18:19 | 0:18:22 | |
I've never done anything that's dodgy. I'm not going to start now. | 0:18:22 | 0:18:25 | |
They don't believe me and that's why they're not paying out. | 0:18:25 | 0:18:28 | |
So, Nicola is now stuck with no car, and nothing to show for the £10,000 | 0:18:28 | 0:18:34 | |
she spent on it less than two years ago. | 0:18:34 | 0:18:37 | |
All because she couldn't be sure | 0:18:37 | 0:18:39 | |
whether she ever had a spare key for the car. | 0:18:39 | 0:18:42 | |
So, here's a couple of little questions for you to think about. | 0:18:42 | 0:18:45 | |
Do you remember how many keys came with your car? | 0:18:45 | 0:18:48 | |
And would you be able to tell me where your spare key is right now? | 0:18:48 | 0:18:53 | |
Finance expert James Daley believes Nicola's right to feel | 0:18:53 | 0:18:56 | |
that she's been treated unfairly. | 0:18:56 | 0:18:59 | |
And he's never before come across a claim being | 0:18:59 | 0:19:01 | |
turned down for this reason. | 0:19:01 | 0:19:03 | |
If an insurance company asks you to send a spare key then yes, | 0:19:03 | 0:19:07 | |
send it to them, but if you've lost it, that is perfectly acceptable, | 0:19:07 | 0:19:10 | |
you just need to let them know you have lost it. | 0:19:10 | 0:19:12 | |
That can't be used as evidence that you've made a fraudulent claim | 0:19:12 | 0:19:16 | |
unless they've got something to back it up with. | 0:19:16 | 0:19:19 | |
One Call's refusal to pay out | 0:19:19 | 0:19:20 | |
doesn't just mean Nicola's out of pocket. | 0:19:20 | 0:19:23 | |
It could also have a serious impact | 0:19:23 | 0:19:25 | |
on her ability to get car insurance in the future | 0:19:25 | 0:19:28 | |
as she'd have to declare that she's previously had insurance withdrawn. | 0:19:28 | 0:19:32 | |
But James thinks there could yet be a solution. | 0:19:32 | 0:19:35 | |
She needs to write a stern letter to her insurance company and say, | 0:19:36 | 0:19:40 | |
"Look, my car was stolen. | 0:19:40 | 0:19:41 | |
"There's no evidence that I was fraudulent here. | 0:19:41 | 0:19:45 | |
"I accidently sent you the wrong key, as it happens I've lost | 0:19:45 | 0:19:48 | |
"the spare key. If you don't pay me out immediately | 0:19:48 | 0:19:50 | |
"I am going to take this claim on to the Financial Ombudsman Service." | 0:19:50 | 0:19:53 | |
That's a free service, it's independent, and I would be amazed | 0:19:53 | 0:19:57 | |
if they didn't uphold this case in favour of the customer. | 0:19:57 | 0:20:00 | |
When we put all that to One Call Insurance on Nicola's behalf, | 0:20:02 | 0:20:06 | |
they stood by their decision that she does not have a valid claim. | 0:20:06 | 0:20:10 | |
They told us that they too had advised Nicola to take her complaint | 0:20:10 | 0:20:14 | |
to the Financial Ombudsman Service but as she hadn't done this, | 0:20:14 | 0:20:18 | |
they have referred the matter to the Ombudsman themselves. | 0:20:18 | 0:20:21 | |
And they don't consider it appropriate to comment further | 0:20:21 | 0:20:24 | |
while they wait for the Ombudsman's decision. | 0:20:24 | 0:20:28 | |
But while it's good news that the case is being looked at | 0:20:28 | 0:20:31 | |
by the Ombudsman, | 0:20:31 | 0:20:32 | |
Nicola still can't quite believe that her predicament boils down to her | 0:20:32 | 0:20:36 | |
not being sure where she might have put a spare car key. | 0:20:36 | 0:20:41 | |
First of all it was annoyance, | 0:20:41 | 0:20:42 | |
annoying how long it had taken for the claim to go through. | 0:20:42 | 0:20:46 | |
Then it was frustration | 0:20:46 | 0:20:48 | |
because obviously no-one seemed to want to listen to me. | 0:20:48 | 0:20:51 | |
The fact that the insurance company have made me feel | 0:20:51 | 0:20:54 | |
that I've had something to do with this claim. | 0:20:54 | 0:20:56 | |
For now, Nicola can only dream of the time | 0:20:56 | 0:20:59 | |
that she can afford her own car again. | 0:20:59 | 0:21:01 | |
And in the meantime, she'll just have to keep on borrowing her dad's. | 0:21:01 | 0:21:05 | |
Still to come on Rip-Off Britain - | 0:21:14 | 0:21:16 | |
the railway works that have split a community in half, | 0:21:16 | 0:21:19 | |
and locals say have had a devastating affect | 0:21:19 | 0:21:22 | |
on their lives and businesses. | 0:21:22 | 0:21:23 | |
To have this done to us, you know, we've got all that extra expense | 0:21:23 | 0:21:27 | |
which nobody's going to compensate us for. | 0:21:27 | 0:21:29 | |
It's just like being ripped off. | 0:21:29 | 0:21:31 | |
Once again, we've opened up our pop-up shop. | 0:21:38 | 0:21:40 | |
And, this year, we've come to one of the biggest shopping centres | 0:21:40 | 0:21:43 | |
in the West Midlands. | 0:21:43 | 0:21:45 | |
Yes, for one weekend only, | 0:21:45 | 0:21:47 | |
we've brought our team of experts on the road | 0:21:47 | 0:21:49 | |
to offer advice on all kinds of things - | 0:21:49 | 0:21:51 | |
you come along, we'll try to help. | 0:21:51 | 0:21:54 | |
As Julia says, we've brought along the entire team to make sure | 0:21:54 | 0:21:57 | |
that we give you all the tools and information that you need | 0:21:57 | 0:22:00 | |
to ensure that, the next time you hand over your cash, | 0:22:00 | 0:22:03 | |
you're not ripped off. | 0:22:03 | 0:22:04 | |
-Hi, how are you? -Hello. -Thanks very much for coming. | 0:22:07 | 0:22:09 | |
'After being told that the vouchers she'd been bought for her birthday | 0:22:09 | 0:22:13 | |
'were no longer valid, Debra Bate called in | 0:22:13 | 0:22:15 | |
'to see Trading Standards expert Sylvia Rook.' | 0:22:15 | 0:22:18 | |
My 40th birthday was last year | 0:22:18 | 0:22:20 | |
and a group of friends bought me some vouchers for a beauty salon. | 0:22:20 | 0:22:24 | |
Before I could use them, the salon changed hands | 0:22:24 | 0:22:28 | |
and the new salon refused to honour the vouchers. | 0:22:28 | 0:22:30 | |
And I contacted the previous owner | 0:22:30 | 0:22:33 | |
and they refused to refund the value of the vouchers, either. | 0:22:33 | 0:22:36 | |
So I'm left with £55 worth of beauty salon vouchers that I can't use. | 0:22:36 | 0:22:41 | |
What assurance did the previous owner give you | 0:22:41 | 0:22:43 | |
that the vouchers would actually be valid? | 0:22:43 | 0:22:46 | |
When I found out that she was selling the business, | 0:22:46 | 0:22:48 | |
I contacted her and she said | 0:22:48 | 0:22:50 | |
that it had been agreed in the transfer of the business | 0:22:50 | 0:22:53 | |
that the new salon would honour the vouchers. | 0:22:53 | 0:22:55 | |
But, when I went to the salon, they refused to. | 0:22:55 | 0:22:57 | |
And you didn't have anything in writing to that effect, did you? | 0:22:57 | 0:23:00 | |
-No. -No. So what about that, then, Sylvia? | 0:23:00 | 0:23:03 | |
It's a really sad story, | 0:23:03 | 0:23:04 | |
and it's one of these stories we get quite a lot, | 0:23:04 | 0:23:06 | |
where a business has gone bust and a new business takes over | 0:23:06 | 0:23:09 | |
and it doesn't have to take over liabilities | 0:23:09 | 0:23:11 | |
of the previous business. | 0:23:11 | 0:23:13 | |
But the company didn't go bust, | 0:23:13 | 0:23:14 | |
they just sold that part of the business. | 0:23:14 | 0:23:16 | |
The business is still going, they're still operating, | 0:23:16 | 0:23:18 | |
but just not in that shop. | 0:23:18 | 0:23:19 | |
Well, certainly the original business is in breach of contract. | 0:23:19 | 0:23:23 | |
The new business doesn't have to honour it. | 0:23:23 | 0:23:25 | |
It's very unfortunate. | 0:23:25 | 0:23:26 | |
Unless there was something in writing, | 0:23:26 | 0:23:28 | |
saying that they would honour vouchers. | 0:23:28 | 0:23:30 | |
They're a separate legal entity. | 0:23:30 | 0:23:32 | |
So then you're back to look at the previous owner. | 0:23:32 | 0:23:34 | |
Because you could argue they're in breach of contract | 0:23:34 | 0:23:37 | |
and, if they were a present, the person that has to make the claim | 0:23:37 | 0:23:40 | |
is the person that bought the vouchers. | 0:23:40 | 0:23:42 | |
And if you find out that somebody's going out of business, | 0:23:42 | 0:23:45 | |
if they say somebody else will take on the liability, | 0:23:45 | 0:23:47 | |
don't trust them unless you've got something in writing. | 0:23:47 | 0:23:50 | |
I think on moral grounds, surely, you go back and say, | 0:23:50 | 0:23:52 | |
"Look, there is no legal contract for the new owner, | 0:23:52 | 0:23:55 | |
"but you took the money, I haven't had the treatment..." | 0:23:55 | 0:23:58 | |
All I want, really, is what's fair, | 0:23:58 | 0:24:00 | |
and it doesn't seem right that one company can sell vouchers, | 0:24:00 | 0:24:03 | |
sell the business and then nobody has the responsibility. | 0:24:03 | 0:24:05 | |
-At least you've got a couple of routes to go. -Yeah. | 0:24:05 | 0:24:08 | |
It's always worth trying, because you lose nothing by trying. | 0:24:08 | 0:24:10 | |
The thing is you look beautiful anyway, | 0:24:10 | 0:24:12 | |
so you don't need that beauty treatment. | 0:24:12 | 0:24:14 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:24:14 | 0:24:15 | |
'Meanwhile, out in our workshop area, | 0:24:18 | 0:24:20 | |
'legal expert Gary Rycroft and Julia were busy entertaining the crowds.' | 0:24:20 | 0:24:25 | |
Music! | 0:24:25 | 0:24:26 | |
MUSIC: YMCA by Village People | 0:24:26 | 0:24:28 | |
# It's fun to stay at the YMCA | 0:24:28 | 0:24:31 | |
# It's fun to stay at the YMCA... # | 0:24:31 | 0:24:34 | |
'Julia, don't give up the day job! | 0:24:34 | 0:24:36 | |
'But the hard hats and dance routine | 0:24:36 | 0:24:37 | |
'were to catch the attention of passing shoppers | 0:24:37 | 0:24:39 | |
'as Gary dished out tips and advice | 0:24:39 | 0:24:42 | |
'on how to avoid being ripped off by bogus tradesmen.' | 0:24:42 | 0:24:44 | |
It's always a good idea | 0:24:44 | 0:24:46 | |
to have something written down in black and white | 0:24:46 | 0:24:48 | |
and a good quality tradesmen will be more than happy | 0:24:48 | 0:24:51 | |
to give you a contract that sets out | 0:24:51 | 0:24:53 | |
the work that they're going to do for you, | 0:24:53 | 0:24:55 | |
who's going to be responsible for making good things that go wrong, | 0:24:55 | 0:24:59 | |
whether they're insured and also when payments are going to be made | 0:24:59 | 0:25:02 | |
cos, clearly, you want to know when you to have to pay for it. | 0:25:02 | 0:25:04 | |
Does your home insurance cover if any building work goes wrong | 0:25:04 | 0:25:07 | |
or does that not count? | 0:25:07 | 0:25:09 | |
No, it doesn't, because you're asking someone | 0:25:09 | 0:25:11 | |
to come in and carry out work on your behalf, | 0:25:11 | 0:25:13 | |
so you really want to know that a builder, plumber has insurance... | 0:25:13 | 0:25:16 | |
Oh, so they've got to be insured. | 0:25:16 | 0:25:17 | |
..so that you can pursue them for a claim | 0:25:17 | 0:25:19 | |
if they do something that causes your property to go down in value. | 0:25:19 | 0:25:24 | |
'Gary wrapped things up with another quick tip | 0:25:25 | 0:25:27 | |
'to help if something DOES go wrong.' | 0:25:27 | 0:25:29 | |
What about things like taking before and after photographs? | 0:25:29 | 0:25:32 | |
Photos are wonderful. | 0:25:32 | 0:25:34 | |
It's a really good idea to take before and after photos and videos. | 0:25:34 | 0:25:37 | |
Nothing's better than keeping track of it as it moves along | 0:25:37 | 0:25:41 | |
so, if it all goes wrong in the end, and you need to make a claim in law | 0:25:41 | 0:25:44 | |
in the county court, you've got the evidence that you need | 0:25:44 | 0:25:47 | |
-to prove your case. -Good advice. -Thank you. | 0:25:47 | 0:25:50 | |
We're all used to hearing complaints about Britain's railways. | 0:25:54 | 0:25:57 | |
But, for some of the people getting most steamed up | 0:25:57 | 0:25:59 | |
about our rail network, it's not about delays or fares. | 0:25:59 | 0:26:03 | |
In fact, they may not have even stepped on a train. | 0:26:03 | 0:26:05 | |
They're angry about the effect | 0:26:05 | 0:26:07 | |
that repairs and improvements to the rail service | 0:26:07 | 0:26:10 | |
have on their homes and businesses - | 0:26:10 | 0:26:12 | |
work that sometimes begins with very little notice | 0:26:12 | 0:26:15 | |
and can drag on for weeks. | 0:26:15 | 0:26:17 | |
Tim Webb's family have lived | 0:26:21 | 0:26:23 | |
and worked on this farm in Wiltshire for around 60 years. | 0:26:23 | 0:26:27 | |
Farming to me is very, very important. | 0:26:27 | 0:26:30 | |
It's a good way of life and I enjoy it a lot | 0:26:30 | 0:26:32 | |
but, this year, we had something happen | 0:26:32 | 0:26:34 | |
that was nothing we were ever prepared for. | 0:26:34 | 0:26:37 | |
In March, the farm faced one of the biggest challenges in its history. | 0:26:37 | 0:26:41 | |
Network Rail, who run and maintain Britain's railway tracks, | 0:26:41 | 0:26:45 | |
closed the nearby bridge at Dauntsey Lock. | 0:26:45 | 0:26:48 | |
This bridge not only links the local villages of Lyneham and Dauntsey, | 0:26:48 | 0:26:51 | |
it also sits slap bang in the middle of the fields | 0:26:51 | 0:26:54 | |
that the Webb family work. | 0:26:54 | 0:26:56 | |
The closure was to allow the line between Bristol and London | 0:26:56 | 0:26:59 | |
to be electrified, which should result in faster journeys | 0:26:59 | 0:27:02 | |
when travelling between the two cities. | 0:27:02 | 0:27:06 | |
At first, even though the works were scheduled to last five months, | 0:27:06 | 0:27:09 | |
Tim wasn't too worried, as there are three other smaller roads | 0:27:09 | 0:27:12 | |
to reach the land on the other side of the bridge. | 0:27:12 | 0:27:16 | |
When they said they were going to shut the bridge, I thought, | 0:27:16 | 0:27:19 | |
"Oh, yeah, that won't be too bad." | 0:27:19 | 0:27:20 | |
But, you know, when it did actually happen, | 0:27:20 | 0:27:23 | |
it was a lot worse than we ever, ever imagined it would be. | 0:27:23 | 0:27:26 | |
Three weeks after the bridge closure, | 0:27:27 | 0:27:29 | |
Wiltshire County Council also shut the three alternative routes | 0:27:29 | 0:27:33 | |
after complaints from residents about the high volume of traffic | 0:27:33 | 0:27:36 | |
and unsuitable heavy vehicles using them. | 0:27:36 | 0:27:40 | |
All of which meant that this pretty part of the country | 0:27:40 | 0:27:43 | |
was suddenly a divided one - | 0:27:43 | 0:27:44 | |
with what residents say had a catastrophic effect | 0:27:44 | 0:27:47 | |
on their lives and businesses. | 0:27:47 | 0:27:50 | |
Tim and his neighbours were forced to make a 20-mile detour | 0:27:50 | 0:27:53 | |
to get from one side of the bridge to the other. | 0:27:53 | 0:27:56 | |
The journey used to take Tim a matter of minutes. | 0:27:56 | 0:27:59 | |
Now, it was taking up to an hour each way. | 0:27:59 | 0:28:02 | |
With the bridge shut, it takes an extra 20 miles. | 0:28:04 | 0:28:07 | |
With the tractor only doing 16mph, you know, | 0:28:07 | 0:28:10 | |
you're talking two hours a day extra to get to where you... | 0:28:10 | 0:28:12 | |
there and back, so I mean, you know, it's not very good at all. | 0:28:12 | 0:28:17 | |
And the bridge closure didn't just cost Tim time. | 0:28:18 | 0:28:21 | |
He also claims he suffered a drop of about 20% in passing trade | 0:28:21 | 0:28:25 | |
at his farm shop since the closure began in March. | 0:28:25 | 0:28:29 | |
We're all small, independent businesses. | 0:28:29 | 0:28:31 | |
You know, we're not multinational companies, we make our own money - | 0:28:31 | 0:28:35 | |
but to have this done to us, you know, | 0:28:35 | 0:28:38 | |
we've got all that extra expense | 0:28:38 | 0:28:39 | |
which nobody's going to compensate us for. | 0:28:39 | 0:28:42 | |
It's just like being ripped off. | 0:28:42 | 0:28:44 | |
Other local businesses, while recognising the need for the work, | 0:28:44 | 0:28:47 | |
say they were disastrously affected, too. | 0:28:47 | 0:28:50 | |
We're finding it very difficult to do deliveries. | 0:28:50 | 0:28:53 | |
The 24-mile round detour is horrendous for staffing costs, | 0:28:53 | 0:28:58 | |
extra fuel, and you cannot pass those costs onto the customer. | 0:28:58 | 0:29:03 | |
You can't do a bouquet of flowers for £20 | 0:29:03 | 0:29:07 | |
and ask for £15 delivery charges. | 0:29:07 | 0:29:10 | |
So our business is absorbing all those extra costs | 0:29:10 | 0:29:14 | |
and we're struggling. | 0:29:14 | 0:29:15 | |
The difficulties for businesses on both sides of the tracks here | 0:29:16 | 0:29:20 | |
is part of a much bigger national picture. | 0:29:20 | 0:29:23 | |
And it's a picture the people here were powerless to halt. | 0:29:23 | 0:29:26 | |
The works were part of a much-needed upgrade of the country's railways. | 0:29:26 | 0:29:30 | |
Although the electrification of the network | 0:29:30 | 0:29:33 | |
has been ongoing for decades, | 0:29:33 | 0:29:34 | |
the UK still lags behind the rest of Europe | 0:29:34 | 0:29:37 | |
when it comes to providing a modern rail network. | 0:29:37 | 0:29:40 | |
Time for nursery, love. Ready? | 0:29:40 | 0:29:42 | |
But local resident Andy Humm speaks for many | 0:29:42 | 0:29:45 | |
when he says that, in situations like this, | 0:29:45 | 0:29:47 | |
where communities are affected in a major way, | 0:29:47 | 0:29:50 | |
more should be done by Network Rail to help. | 0:29:50 | 0:29:54 | |
The diversions are really a pain in the neck. | 0:29:54 | 0:29:57 | |
We've got issues with emergency services, education, buses. | 0:29:57 | 0:30:03 | |
There's been a lack of thought, | 0:30:03 | 0:30:05 | |
a lack of consideration to the local community | 0:30:05 | 0:30:07 | |
in the way that it was managed. | 0:30:07 | 0:30:10 | |
Andy takes it in turns with his wife to take their granddaughter, Lilly, | 0:30:10 | 0:30:13 | |
to nursery three times a week. | 0:30:13 | 0:30:16 | |
They live in Lyneham, | 0:30:16 | 0:30:17 | |
but the nursery is situated on the Dauntsey side of the tracks. | 0:30:17 | 0:30:20 | |
So what was an easy journey became an 80-minute round trip. | 0:30:20 | 0:30:25 | |
That's two journeys, that's obviously 44 miles. | 0:30:25 | 0:30:29 | |
Three days, you're looking about, on average, | 0:30:29 | 0:30:31 | |
about another 150 miles per week. | 0:30:31 | 0:30:33 | |
That's actually working out to be £18 a week, | 0:30:33 | 0:30:36 | |
which is quite a lot of money | 0:30:36 | 0:30:37 | |
when you're trying to do the best for your grandchild. | 0:30:37 | 0:30:41 | |
Locals here feel they've had a pretty raw deal. | 0:30:41 | 0:30:44 | |
And Network Rail does have an awful lot of freedom | 0:30:44 | 0:30:46 | |
when it comes to doing work of this sort. | 0:30:46 | 0:30:49 | |
They're what's known as statutory undertakers. | 0:30:49 | 0:30:53 | |
That might sound grim, | 0:30:53 | 0:30:54 | |
but what it actually means is that, | 0:30:54 | 0:30:56 | |
like energy and communication companies, | 0:30:56 | 0:30:58 | |
they have special privileges when it comes to development work, | 0:30:58 | 0:31:02 | |
and can sidestep normal planning regulations and rules. | 0:31:02 | 0:31:05 | |
If you lose money as a result of negligence | 0:31:06 | 0:31:09 | |
by a statutory undertaker, you can apply for compensation. | 0:31:09 | 0:31:12 | |
But individuals aren't eligible | 0:31:12 | 0:31:14 | |
if they just have to make longer journeys. | 0:31:14 | 0:31:16 | |
And, for businesses, | 0:31:16 | 0:31:17 | |
a drop in passing trade doesn't qualify you either. | 0:31:17 | 0:31:20 | |
So it looks as if these residents will get nothing | 0:31:20 | 0:31:23 | |
for the inconvenience caused by the bridge closure. | 0:31:23 | 0:31:27 | |
I feel rather annoyed and upset | 0:31:27 | 0:31:29 | |
in the fact that we're not benefitting. | 0:31:29 | 0:31:31 | |
And we've been hit hard. | 0:31:31 | 0:31:33 | |
Financially, we've been hit hard. | 0:31:33 | 0:31:35 | |
When we contacted Network Rail, | 0:31:36 | 0:31:38 | |
they told us that electrifying the Great Western Main Line | 0:31:38 | 0:31:42 | |
will "improve the journeys of millions of people." | 0:31:42 | 0:31:45 | |
But, of course, that work can't be done without creating | 0:31:45 | 0:31:47 | |
"extra clearance for overhead power lines," | 0:31:47 | 0:31:50 | |
something that often requires road closures. | 0:31:50 | 0:31:53 | |
They told us they sympathised with local businesses | 0:31:53 | 0:31:56 | |
over the reduction in passing trade, | 0:31:56 | 0:31:58 | |
but that there is, unfortunately, | 0:31:58 | 0:32:00 | |
"no legal basis for a claim for compensation," | 0:32:00 | 0:32:03 | |
and it is "vital for taxpayers" | 0:32:03 | 0:32:05 | |
that the project is delivered "as efficiently as possible." | 0:32:05 | 0:32:08 | |
They also said that they | 0:32:08 | 0:32:10 | |
"worked closely with Wiltshire County Council" | 0:32:10 | 0:32:12 | |
to plan the work in a way that "caused minimal disruption" | 0:32:12 | 0:32:16 | |
and they made sure residents "were kept informed throughout." | 0:32:16 | 0:32:19 | |
But Tim and Andy don't think that residents | 0:32:20 | 0:32:23 | |
were informed enough about the work. | 0:32:23 | 0:32:25 | |
For Network Rail, I think lessons need to be learned | 0:32:25 | 0:32:27 | |
in the fact that they do need to talk | 0:32:27 | 0:32:30 | |
and involve the community more so than they have done in the past. | 0:32:30 | 0:32:35 | |
TRAIN HORN | 0:32:35 | 0:32:37 | |
Well, since we filmed in Dauntsey, | 0:32:38 | 0:32:40 | |
the bridge has reopened - ahead of schedule! | 0:32:40 | 0:32:43 | |
So, while they remain annoyed, residents did at least | 0:32:43 | 0:32:46 | |
get three weeks less disruption than was originally on the cards. | 0:32:46 | 0:32:50 | |
If you'd like more advice | 0:32:57 | 0:32:58 | |
on any of the situations we investigate on the programme, | 0:32:58 | 0:33:01 | |
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and there you'll find a huge range of practical information | 0:33:08 | 0:33:12 | |
on everything from cold calling and how to check a company's credentials | 0:33:12 | 0:33:16 | |
to warnings on the latest scams to look out for. | 0:33:16 | 0:33:20 | |
You'll also find hints and tips | 0:33:20 | 0:33:21 | |
from the experts and workshops at our pop-up shop, | 0:33:21 | 0:33:25 | |
some of which can really save you money. | 0:33:25 | 0:33:27 | |
With more cars than ever on British roads, | 0:33:31 | 0:33:33 | |
keeping the traffic moving | 0:33:33 | 0:33:35 | |
while also keeping drivers, passengers and pedestrians safe | 0:33:35 | 0:33:39 | |
is quite a big challenge. | 0:33:39 | 0:33:41 | |
So playing their part is everything from speed bumps | 0:33:41 | 0:33:44 | |
and one-way systems to traffic calming and bus lanes. | 0:33:44 | 0:33:47 | |
They're often monitored by an army of traffic cameras | 0:33:47 | 0:33:51 | |
that record your number plate and then trigger a system | 0:33:51 | 0:33:54 | |
that sends a fine directly to your home a few days later. | 0:33:54 | 0:33:57 | |
Now, if it's a fair cop, then you might just pay the fine, | 0:33:57 | 0:34:00 | |
chalk it down to experience | 0:34:00 | 0:34:02 | |
and vow to drive a bit more carefully next time. | 0:34:02 | 0:34:05 | |
But what happens if you don't think you broke the rules? | 0:34:05 | 0:34:08 | |
Well, across the country, | 0:34:08 | 0:34:10 | |
thousands of drivers are in exactly that situation, | 0:34:10 | 0:34:13 | |
after cameras caught them driving in bus lanes | 0:34:13 | 0:34:16 | |
that they say they didn't even know were there. | 0:34:16 | 0:34:18 | |
For hundreds of years, the medieval city of York | 0:34:21 | 0:34:24 | |
was confined firmly inside the city walls. | 0:34:24 | 0:34:27 | |
And, although the city has long since spread beyond those walls, | 0:34:27 | 0:34:31 | |
the heart of town is still crammed into narrow streets and bridges | 0:34:31 | 0:34:35 | |
that are no wider now than they were when horses and carts pounded them. | 0:34:35 | 0:34:39 | |
And that makes things tough for York's 200,000 residents. | 0:34:39 | 0:34:43 | |
Among them, Nigel Rhodes. | 0:34:43 | 0:34:46 | |
At times, it can become a bit of a nightmare... | 0:34:46 | 0:34:49 | |
with the congestion. | 0:34:49 | 0:34:51 | |
Nigel volunteers for a local charity, | 0:34:51 | 0:34:53 | |
driving elderly people in and out of York city centre. | 0:34:53 | 0:34:57 | |
But, on one trip in August 2013, he hadn't realised | 0:34:57 | 0:35:01 | |
that York Council had introduced new rules | 0:35:01 | 0:35:03 | |
to calm congestion in the city. | 0:35:03 | 0:35:05 | |
I came straight through the lights at green and proceeded up here, | 0:35:07 | 0:35:11 | |
just going about my business, never saw no cameras, never saw any signs. | 0:35:11 | 0:35:16 | |
The council's new rules meant that they would now be responsible | 0:35:18 | 0:35:21 | |
for enforcing traffic restrictions, rather than North Yorkshire Police, | 0:35:21 | 0:35:25 | |
and camera enforcement would be used to monitor | 0:35:25 | 0:35:27 | |
the new bus lanes where Nigel had driven - | 0:35:27 | 0:35:30 | |
along Coppergate and also around the city's Lendal Bridge - | 0:35:30 | 0:35:35 | |
to ensure that, during the daytime, only buses and taxis were allowed. | 0:35:35 | 0:35:39 | |
All other cars were banned. | 0:35:39 | 0:35:42 | |
But the first Nigel knew about that was a week later, | 0:35:42 | 0:35:45 | |
when he was sent a £60 fine. | 0:35:45 | 0:35:48 | |
He insists he couldn't see anything | 0:35:48 | 0:35:50 | |
to tell drivers that new measures were in place. | 0:35:50 | 0:35:53 | |
But even now, weeks later, Nigel still thinks the Coppergate cameras | 0:35:53 | 0:35:57 | |
could catch out drivers who don't know that they're there. | 0:35:57 | 0:36:00 | |
Like, where that bus is now and that car's behind there, | 0:36:01 | 0:36:05 | |
how can they see that sign there? | 0:36:05 | 0:36:08 | |
The driver is on right-hand side and he's right behind that bus. | 0:36:08 | 0:36:11 | |
And then, when the bus pulls off when he's behind him, | 0:36:11 | 0:36:14 | |
there's no way as he goes across there | 0:36:14 | 0:36:17 | |
that he knows that he's not allowed to go into Coppergate. | 0:36:17 | 0:36:21 | |
The signs ARE there, | 0:36:23 | 0:36:24 | |
but it may be that, driving along here, | 0:36:24 | 0:36:27 | |
you wouldn't have spotted them either. | 0:36:27 | 0:36:29 | |
So, while the restrictions that caught out Nigel are in York, | 0:36:29 | 0:36:33 | |
there are similar situations happening in towns and cities | 0:36:33 | 0:36:36 | |
right across the country. | 0:36:36 | 0:36:37 | |
Because there are plenty of other councils | 0:36:37 | 0:36:39 | |
who've brought in part-time bus lanes | 0:36:39 | 0:36:41 | |
as a way of tackling heavy traffic | 0:36:41 | 0:36:43 | |
and, at the same time, plenty of other drivers who - | 0:36:43 | 0:36:45 | |
like Nigel - say the new rules have NOT been made clear. | 0:36:45 | 0:36:50 | |
Motoring lawyer Nick Freeman, famously known as "Mr Loophole", | 0:36:50 | 0:36:54 | |
says it's crucial that when councils introduce new regulations like this, | 0:36:54 | 0:36:58 | |
they have enough signs for drivers to spot. | 0:36:58 | 0:37:01 | |
If there is a serious congestion problem, | 0:37:03 | 0:37:06 | |
and the council feel that they need to have bus lanes, | 0:37:06 | 0:37:08 | |
they need to comply with the appropriate provisions | 0:37:08 | 0:37:11 | |
and appropriate legislation and they need to make sure | 0:37:11 | 0:37:14 | |
that these bus lanes are properly signed and properly demarked. | 0:37:14 | 0:37:17 | |
But that isn't always the case. | 0:37:19 | 0:37:20 | |
And certainly in York, there are lots of drivers | 0:37:20 | 0:37:23 | |
who'd agree with Nigel that the signs were NOT sufficiently clear. | 0:37:23 | 0:37:27 | |
The new rules led to 57,000 motorists receiving penalty charges, | 0:37:27 | 0:37:32 | |
netting the council a total of £1.3 million. | 0:37:32 | 0:37:36 | |
Even the local tourist board joined in the row, | 0:37:36 | 0:37:39 | |
raising concerns that unsuspecting tourists were being fined. | 0:37:39 | 0:37:42 | |
And many drivers, Nigel included, | 0:37:42 | 0:37:45 | |
felt so strongly about this that they refused to pay | 0:37:45 | 0:37:48 | |
and took their case to the traffic penalty tribunal - | 0:37:48 | 0:37:51 | |
a free, independent adjudication process | 0:37:51 | 0:37:53 | |
that's the final port of call for anyone disputing a parking | 0:37:53 | 0:37:57 | |
or bus lane penalty that's been issued by their local council. | 0:37:57 | 0:38:02 | |
The adjudicator agreed with Nigel, | 0:38:02 | 0:38:04 | |
and others who'd complained at the same time, | 0:38:04 | 0:38:06 | |
that the signage on Coppergate and Lendal Bridge was NOT adequate. | 0:38:06 | 0:38:10 | |
And in August 2014, a year after Nigel drove over Lendal Bridge, | 0:38:13 | 0:38:18 | |
City of York Council made a big decision. | 0:38:18 | 0:38:21 | |
Just as this programme was being finished, they told us that, | 0:38:21 | 0:38:24 | |
subject to their normal approval procedures, | 0:38:24 | 0:38:26 | |
they plan to refund all motorists who were fined | 0:38:26 | 0:38:29 | |
for driving over Lendal Bridge. | 0:38:29 | 0:38:31 | |
And they'll open up an application process for people to do that. | 0:38:31 | 0:38:35 | |
They point out the bridge restrictions | 0:38:35 | 0:38:37 | |
were only in place for a six-month trial, which has NOT been extended. | 0:38:37 | 0:38:42 | |
But they say that, on Coppergate, | 0:38:42 | 0:38:44 | |
while the traffic cameras might have been new, | 0:38:44 | 0:38:46 | |
the restrictions had been in place for quite some time, | 0:38:46 | 0:38:49 | |
so the council told us that they intend to challenge | 0:38:49 | 0:38:52 | |
the Traffic Penalty Review's decision on the signage here. | 0:38:52 | 0:38:56 | |
But they added that the traffic cameras have since been removed. | 0:38:56 | 0:39:00 | |
Some believe it can suit local authorities | 0:39:02 | 0:39:04 | |
to have confusing rules and regulations around bus lanes, | 0:39:04 | 0:39:08 | |
as those caught out can provide useful funds | 0:39:08 | 0:39:11 | |
to cash-strapped councils' coffers. | 0:39:11 | 0:39:13 | |
The reason that Lendal Bridge didn't work | 0:39:13 | 0:39:16 | |
was because the signage was described, | 0:39:16 | 0:39:18 | |
on an appeal by a traffic adjudicator, as being inadequate. | 0:39:18 | 0:39:21 | |
Motorists tend to be law-abiding citizens - | 0:39:21 | 0:39:24 | |
they're not going to knowingly drive in a bus lane, | 0:39:24 | 0:39:27 | |
knowing that it's going to be recorded on camera, | 0:39:27 | 0:39:29 | |
knowing that it's going to cost them hard-earned cash. | 0:39:29 | 0:39:33 | |
But York isn't the only city where there's been controversy | 0:39:33 | 0:39:35 | |
over whether the new rules around bus lanes | 0:39:35 | 0:39:37 | |
have been signposted well enough. | 0:39:37 | 0:39:39 | |
In fact, it's happened across the country. | 0:39:39 | 0:39:42 | |
In Birmingham, the Traffic Penalty Tribunal ruled | 0:39:42 | 0:39:45 | |
that signage was not adequate at a number of city centre bus lanes, | 0:39:45 | 0:39:49 | |
leading the council to review 18,000 penalties | 0:39:49 | 0:39:53 | |
but, despite the ruling, they've only refunded 218 drivers. | 0:39:53 | 0:39:57 | |
In Essex, the county council agreed to repay or cancel | 0:39:59 | 0:40:03 | |
30,000 fines issued from bus lanes in Colchester. | 0:40:03 | 0:40:07 | |
And, in Bath, the council refunded 7,200 penalty charge notices, | 0:40:08 | 0:40:13 | |
totalling more than £200,000, | 0:40:13 | 0:40:16 | |
after they acknowledged that some motorists found it difficult | 0:40:16 | 0:40:19 | |
to adjust to the changes and to alter their normal travel patterns. | 0:40:19 | 0:40:24 | |
It seems that, nationwide, there's a lot of confusion - | 0:40:24 | 0:40:27 | |
and embarrassment - | 0:40:27 | 0:40:28 | |
that does nothing to solve the problems that the bus lanes | 0:40:28 | 0:40:31 | |
were designed for in the first place. | 0:40:31 | 0:40:34 | |
The whole purpose of having a bus lane | 0:40:34 | 0:40:35 | |
is not to set a trap to the motorist. | 0:40:35 | 0:40:37 | |
The purpose, the spirit behind the bus lane | 0:40:37 | 0:40:39 | |
is to ensure that you have a bus lane for buses to use. | 0:40:39 | 0:40:42 | |
I think the difficulties that councils have at the moment | 0:40:42 | 0:40:45 | |
is that they're cash-strapped, and motorists are an easy target - | 0:40:45 | 0:40:48 | |
they tend to just pay up without question - | 0:40:48 | 0:40:51 | |
and it fills their urgently-needed coffers, which are empty. | 0:40:51 | 0:40:55 | |
Nigel is glad that he didn't pay up without question, | 0:40:55 | 0:40:58 | |
and he thinks more drivers should do as he did | 0:40:58 | 0:41:00 | |
and appeal any fine they consider unfair and he hopes that, | 0:41:00 | 0:41:04 | |
thanks to motorists like him appealing their tickets, | 0:41:04 | 0:41:06 | |
everyone might soon get their money back. | 0:41:06 | 0:41:09 | |
Well, it was a complete rip-off | 0:41:09 | 0:41:10 | |
and I just hope the people of York get their money back. | 0:41:10 | 0:41:13 | |
Here at Rip-Off Britain, | 0:41:22 | 0:41:23 | |
we're always ready to investigate more of your stories. | 0:41:23 | 0:41:27 | |
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Well, as we've just seen, | 0:41:49 | 0:41:50 | |
it can feel like a real David and Goliath battle | 0:41:50 | 0:41:53 | |
to get decisions such as the ones in today's programme overturned, | 0:41:53 | 0:41:56 | |
especially if you can't understand why that decision | 0:41:56 | 0:41:59 | |
was made in the first place. | 0:41:59 | 0:42:00 | |
I must say, I did find some of those stories | 0:42:00 | 0:42:02 | |
rather surprising and extremely interesting. | 0:42:02 | 0:42:04 | |
But I'm sure we've given you plenty of food for thought | 0:42:04 | 0:42:07 | |
should you find yourself going through something similar, | 0:42:07 | 0:42:10 | |
especially if you're planning on building an extension | 0:42:10 | 0:42:12 | |
or that granny annexe! | 0:42:12 | 0:42:14 | |
But, on that note, that's where we have to leave you for today, | 0:42:14 | 0:42:17 | |
but do please keep telling us who you think has treated you unfairly | 0:42:17 | 0:42:21 | |
and we'll keep trying to get to the bottom of what's gone on. | 0:42:21 | 0:42:23 | |
And, indeed, you can contact us through our website... | 0:42:23 | 0:42:26 | |
..where you'll also find lots of tips and advice from our experts, | 0:42:29 | 0:42:33 | |
as well as details of how you could take part in future programmes, | 0:42:33 | 0:42:37 | |
including a very special week of live programmes | 0:42:37 | 0:42:40 | |
that we've got coming up that we'd love you to get involved in. | 0:42:40 | 0:42:42 | |
But, for now, thanks for watching and you'll see you us all very soon. | 0:42:42 | 0:42:46 | |
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