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They're set to be one of this Christmas's big sellers, but drones

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are posing a serious threat to air traffic and people on the ground.

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I take to the skies with the pilot to almost collided

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I take to the skies with the pilot mid-flight. Is it time for anyone

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using a drone in the UK to be registered?

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We're live for the next hour, fighting for your rights.

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Tonight, in the light of last week's terror attack in Paris, Simon Calder

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As confusion and chaos continues over your

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pension options, Minister Ros Altmann is here to provide some

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We reveal how new laws could protect you from unfair terms and

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conditions. This is a 100 page agreement for an online account. 100

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pages! One of our team, Adrian, will try to read it by the end of the

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programme. Start now, Adrian, if you can't read it in an hour, frankly,

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what's the point? Also tonight, Oak Furniture land

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and a catalogue of complaints Ian Robertson wanted a table

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and chairs that match. Ray Briggs wanted

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a TV unit that wasn't cracked. And after ordering a full set,

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Kirsty Whiting wanted more than three usable chairs

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for her family to sit on. Did any

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of them get what they wanted? And we're entering the job market as

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I confront a rogue ripping people You are training people to cold call

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people who haven't got jobs to offer them jobs which don't exist and then

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get them to call a premium rate line to spend as long as possible on that

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line, so they racked up bills that they can't afford because they

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haven't got jobs. That pretty much explains it! It does.

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Whether it's the police, enthusiastic photographers or

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companies planning to use them for deliveries, these flying machines

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In the last year alone, one high street retailler has told

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us they've sold 17,000 of these devices, but when things go wrong,

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They come in various sizes, this is a particularly big, powerful one.

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You've been telling us that they can go wrong. Even when they don't, they

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can still be extremely dangerous. When it comes to getting a birds eye

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view of the world there is no doubt that drones are brilliant

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inventions. Drones with built in cameras start at just ?20, meaning

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they are accessible to anyone. And they are everywhere now, TV crews

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like us are using them to get that perfect aerial shot. They are also

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great fun to play with, more and more people are buying them to use

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at home, on holiday, in the local park. With drones reaching heights

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of around 400 feet, they are not so much fun if things go wrong. We were

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contacted by the owner of this drone, who sent his footage after it

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malfunctioned and crashed into Betty Luker's garden in Kent, feet away

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from the Eurostar train line. I was hanging washing on this line

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and it came across here, this noise, What was it? How big was it? About

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like that, I think. Making a hell of noise. I thought, what on is it?

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Sorry, I'm still shaking. You've had a really lucky escape,

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haven't you? Yes, it could have been really

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nasty if it hit my head, yes. Which is exactly why the Civil

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Aviation Authority has strict rules in place to make sure people fly

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their drones safely and responsibly. If you use them

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professionally, you need a full licence. But for amateur drone users

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varies the -- fares drone code. You must never fly higher than 400 feet

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and keep the drone away from aircraft and air field unless you

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have their permission, like we did, for filming. Drones fitted with

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cameras mustn't be flown over congested areas or within 50 metres

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of vehicles, buildings or people without getting their explicit

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consent, like I gave to our professional operator. The rules

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themselves are crystal clear but figures from police forces across

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the UK show that in the past year alone they've received more than 450

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calls about drones from members of the public. In fact, one force has

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reported eight more than 20 fold increase in is last year. Are these

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drone users deliberately breaking the rules or do they simply not know

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about them? Stefan and Hannah from Stockwell certainly didn't and it

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took getting into trouble with the police at the Natural History Museum

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before they realised there are actually rules on where they can fly

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their drone. He's getting told off for using his flying camera. I don't

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think I was allowed to get that shop. I was interviewed by police

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for about six hours altogether, I've never heard of anybody getting in

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legal trouble with it. I was under the impression that as long as you

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were sensible and as long as you knew what you were doing, almost, it

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would be OK. Stefan was let off by the police and read up on the CAA

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drone flying rules. If I hadn't got in trouble, I would never have

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learned about the rules and I'd probably still be out there flying

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it now. It's not just flying drones in populated areas that is causing

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concern. People flying drones near aircraft is a growing problem. Air

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safety figures show there been around 20 reports since last year

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from pilots you've experienced drones in dangerously close to their

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planes or helicopters. A terrifying prospect and, luckily, all near

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misses so far. One of those pilot is this gyrocopter instructor, Kai, it

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happened to him not once, but twice. The first time you saw a drone, what

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happened? When I was on a training flight with

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a student, it certainly appeared in So I took the controls

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from my student and took avoiding If we hadn't avoided, we certainly

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would have had an impact. The second time? 1500 feet, didn't see anything

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until it came across here. What would have happened if that hit you?

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We were doing a similar speed, 85-90 mph, it would have gone through the

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screen. You are an experienced pilot

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but you must have been very shaken. Afterwards, when you actually think

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about what could have happened, So what can be done to tackle unsafe

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drone use? In Ireland and America,

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plans are already in place to roll out a compulsory registration

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scheme for anyone who owns a drone. It'll mean users can be fully

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educated on the latest rules and Safety information. If the UK

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Government were to follow suit, responsible drone users could be

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tracked down far more easily. Which could help in cases like this. Last

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month a police horse from the West Yorkshire mounted branch was spooked

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while out in the paddock. With tragic consequences. He ran into a

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post and, sadly, died of his injuries. Officers later discovered

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a drone nearby and suspect this was the cause. Without a drone

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registration scheme in place, it's almost impossible to track down the

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owner. Had there been a registration scheme that the owner had complied

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with, and there were identifying marks on the drone, it would have

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helped us and we could have identified the owner and made the

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appropriate inquiry. Alan McKenna has contributed to government

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studies on drones and is in favour for compulsory registration.

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A registration scheme would require those purchasing drones to identify

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themselves in terms of names and addresses, it would provide

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the regulatory authorities with that vital information they

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In the meantime, Kai is calling on all drone users to remind themselves

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of the rules before there was a real accident. I think educating people

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better would be extremely helpful because I'm quite sure there was

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only a very, very small minority that try to push the boundaries to

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the point where it will end up with an impact, or it will end up hurting

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somebody. If any of you have had a near miss,

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any problems with drones, do get in touch. You can find more information

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about how to use drones safely on our website.

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Schools have been told to put trips to France on hold until after this

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weekend, Simon Calder will explain how the global terror threat might

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affect all of our travel plans. Telling truth from fantasy when

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watching television can be eight challenge these days. The drama is

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so realistic yet the reality is so dramatic. It turns out they've is no

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place called Walford in the East End of London, so there I was for the

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last 30 years thinking I was watching a documentary. But that's

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fine, it's only entertainment. If, however, like tonight's rogues, your

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business offers desperate people jobs, you need to make sure you are

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not part of an elaborate and destructive soap opera. Otherwise

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your heart is in the wrong place. With trains out of action, the hard

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work has been getting to work. Real reality can be rubbish, so many

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people prefer to watch TV shows, like this, instead. Eight look

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real, following real people's real lives, but they are not real.

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Because, in fact, the scenes are scripted. It's called scripted

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reality and there is a lot of snogging. All right, babe? I thought

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you wasn't going to be here. I thought that, too. I like that

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shirt. Keeps my top half nice and warm, know what I mean? Did you snog

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Karen? You what? Never mind, whatever.

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You see, it's a highly glamorous world where people seem to go places

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and then chat, using all the latest urban slang. Everything looks

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amazing, nobody seems to do any work of any real value. Yet we get to

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eavesdrop on some staggering conversations that will make your

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drawers drop. Is chicken and vegetable?

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It's not unlike life at Heart Communications run by Laura Canard,

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the director. Its call centre is based in this shiny shared office in

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Welwyn Garden City, but like scripted reality shows, things

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aren't quite what they seem. We know that Heart Communications has three

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telephone services. One of that Heart Communications has three

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callers to pounds per minute, let's say you forgotten how to change the

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password on your social media account. Type the problem into a

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search engine and pops the helpline number, manned by people it calls

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So what was your background, have told us it isn't the reality.

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So what was your background, expertise in that area? We had no

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training, no training whatsoever. How did you answer that question? We

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had to type their problem into Google and read from Google

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troubleshooting. It seems Heart Communications charges ?2 per minute

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to look stuff up on Google. They admit this in the small print. But

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for Gemma it was a con. How did you feel doing that? Immoral,

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incompetent, we didn't know feel doing that? Immoral,

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were talking about. They also claim their helpline is fast. We had to

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keep them on the phone for 80 minutes, a premium rate number. You

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were told specifically they had to stay on that long. Yeah, otherwise

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we would be questioned why and possibly find. Time to put Heart

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Communications to the test. We need an appropriate passer-by. Hello.

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Excuse me, sir. You wouldn't have a laptop on you, would you? Yeah, I

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have, actually. This is going to work. It's time for a race, who can

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solve a simple Facebook problem first? Our research or the guy on

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the laptop, whoever he is? If someone googles me or whatever, I

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want that my profile won't come up. someone googles me or whatever, I

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What was your name again? Rylan. Can you get on Google please, Rylan. I

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love a bit of Google. My address? Completely irrelevant, to solve the

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problem or that you do is un-tick a box on Facebook. I am ticking the

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box, removing VTEC. 63 seconds! 63 seconds. It takes Heart

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Communications another 12 minutes, asking irrelevant questions, getting

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another ?24 out of us. Bang out of order, you can't stretch it out like

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that. I agree with you. We've got a firm which seems to be stringing out

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its cause as long as possible. I'm going down to my Nan's for a sausage

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turnover. Shut up! 100%. What a salty potato. I'm thinking of

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putting a pair of cap results into this call centre. Do one. Sorry? Do

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one. OK, let's do one, shall we? Our first student undercover is Alice,

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hired by the call centre manager, Jade Hall. She's worked here four

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years, so speaks with authority when she tells Alice how to resolve Calla

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problems. Google it, see what you can find, get them to do it while

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you on the phone. Just googling, at least they fix peoples problems,

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don't they? No. This operator is keeping a woman on the line for 40

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minutes, it'll cost her ?28. He knows he can't solve her problem. He

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tells her to ask Facebook to change your e-mail address. That is a lie.

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I didn't fill out a form. I wonder what the staff think of

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having to do that sort of thing. It costs them about ?2 a minute, I feel

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so bad. Yeah, why on earth do it, then? Here

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is Jade to explain. They can't do that, that's not

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right. Yeah, I think it's not right, I don't really know. What do you

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mean you think? Find an expert and sort this out. Here's one now. That

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was easy. Try not to be really quick... From my perspective, clear

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breach of the code. The company could be fined for that sort of

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behaviour. Prolonging the call is against the law. Prolonging the war

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unnecessarily is against the law. And that is what is clearly being

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stated there. But Jade is following orders from

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her boss, whose last helpline pulled in ?500,000 a year. The staff are

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told that there's a target for every call. Short ones get a sad face It

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looks like the corporate company is set up in order to make as much

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money out of these people as possible. It is something the boss

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has been told off about before. In 2012 her previous premium rate

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helpline was fined ?60,000 for misleading callers. 13 of her

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companies have been dissolved and none ever filed their accounts. They

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failed to pay ?85,000 in debts. What am I supposed to be doing? We are

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going back to the studio. On the bike? No, up in the air. Push this

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up in the air. Just push it up? Yes. We'll be taking to the skies later

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to find the bosses of Heart Communications of Welwyn Garden

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City, because their other scam exploits the unemployed. Also, they

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can live a fantasy life far away from these shore. Ref justices from

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reality and some home truths in a bit.

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Now, if you have a story you'd like us to investigate, get in touch.

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These guys are waiting to hear from you.

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or go the website and click where it says 'send us your stories'.

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And if you want to comment on any of tonight's reports,

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you can also tweet us or post on our Facebook page.

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Time for a T and C update. Adrian is attempting to decipher these terms

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and conditions. It was 100 pages. How are you getting on? Page 11. A

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good read? No. What are we up to now? . Any applicable law... Keep

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going, because you've got to get it done by the end of the programme.

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Sophie. A couple of weeks ago we

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investigated companies failing to give their customers the new

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freedoms promised by the Government. Since then, loads of you have been

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in touch to say that So to try and provide some answers,

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I'm joined by the Thank you very much for coming in.

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Thank you. These changes were rushed through weren't they? It was a great

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headline before the election but in reality the industry wasn't ready

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for such enormous changes. They are enormous changes but the industry

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had a year to prepare. Most industries have to adjust when

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things change. These reforms are absolutely the right thing. It is

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what we should have lutely the right thing. It is what we should have

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done a long time ago - trust customers with their own money,

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trust people to be sensible, if they have done well enough to save for

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their retirement, they should be allowed to do what they want.

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Unfortunately, the industry is quite used to telling customers what to

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do, or the Government tell people what to do. This is a revolution, a

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whole new aspect to pensions where we are putting people in charge of

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their own money. So is it the industry's fault then, this

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confusion, the chaos that our viewers have been talking to us, it

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is the industry's fault for not getting it right? A lot of the

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problems do stem from the fact that the pensions industry has very

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old-fashioned systems, very old-fashioned products, and we are

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trying to move all that into the 21st century. Now, these things have

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been built up over tens of years, 40 years, 30 years in this cases. Huge

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very fast. Some people think you are playing politics with people's

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pensions rushing them through. We are not playing politics. This is

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what people should be entitled to. If you save in any other form, the

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Government doesn't tell you you've got to buy a particular product. It

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is up to you. Pensions are precious. It is money for you for later life.

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But there's a big issue about advice. There's guidance which the

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Government offers for free, which few people take, and advice that

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costs money. Why don't the Government tell people what

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costs money. Why don't the with their life savings? You are

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right. Don't make quick decisions. We've set up the Pensions Wise

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guidance service, which I would urge We've set up the Pensions Wise

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anybody who has questions. You are over 50 you can

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anybody who has questions. You are Wise service and they can help you

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understand. But Wise service and they can help you

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purpose. Well, I think that's most unfair. In fact the satisfaction

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ratings of unfair. In fact the satisfaction

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wise is over 90%. The problem is not enough people know about it and

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pension companies haven't been advertising it. The Government is

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trying to. I think we do need to do more but it is a

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trying to. I think we do need to do important service. 1.5 million

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people have used the website. You can have website, phone or face to

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face. But as you will recognise there's a lot of concern

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face. But as you will recognise the new pension scheme, and the

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committee said it could lead to the next mis-selling scandal. There's

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confusion in the industry, certainly among our viewers. Confusion in

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Parliament as well. It is a mess. What are you going to do

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Parliament as well. It is a mess. Pensions they'll are complex and

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queuesening. What I want people to understand is if you've got money to

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put in a pension, there isn't a rush. The longer you leave it, the

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put in a pension, there isn't a better it is. If you take it out, a

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quarter is tax-free. better it is. If you take it out, a

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that over a number of years, the amount of tax will be lower. Ros

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Altmann, thank you. With more than 60 stores across

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the country, they claim to be But after almost 200 Watchdog

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viewers complained to us about poor products and poor service,

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we thought it was time for Chris - You know what I love most about Oak

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Furniture Land? Free delivery on everything? No. Interest-free

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credit. No deposit? No. That's Oak Furniture Land, and according to

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them there are lots of things to love about their solid, real wood

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furniture. But many of you have been in touch telling us that despite

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their claims of top quality goods there are many reasons not to love

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their furniture. Is it when you get mismatched furniture in different

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colours? That's certainly one of them. Ian Robertson from Hull has

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invited me around to talk about why he certainly doesn't love Oak

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Furniture Land. He's had nothing but problems since spending more than

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?1,000 on his dining set. So this is the table? Yes. It is a nice table.

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What's wrong with it? Well, it is the wrong colour. It doesn't match

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the chairs at all. Why is that? It is the third table we've had off

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them. And that's because Ian's first table arrived with a panel he was

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ununhappy with, so he returned it. So what happened to the second

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table? It was lovely, a gorgeous table, but within a few months there

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was a split from there to there. This time around Oak Furniture Land

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decided to replace just the table top, which is how Ian has ended up

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with a dining set with mismatching colours. So what was their solution?

:25:29.:25:31.

They did offer us some dark wax colours. So what was their solution?

:25:32.:25:39.

wax all our other pieces of furniture so they matched the dark

:25:40.:25:44.

top. That's not acceptable. What else have they offered to do? They

:25:45.:25:49.

would refund the table alone but we would be left with 8 chairs. No good

:25:50.:25:54.

to anybody unless you want to eat on your knee. Oak Furniture Land

:25:55.:25:57.

refused to give him a full refund for the whole set. So being stuck

:25:58.:26:01.

with mismatched furniture is one very good reason not to love Oak

:26:02.:26:04.

Furniture Land. Can you think of another one? Is it the free knocks

:26:05.:26:11.

and dents with your new furniture? And? Being charged hundreds to

:26:12.:26:20.

return it? Very good. When Ray Briggs moved into his new home in

:26:21.:26:25.

Corby he spent more than ?3,000 at Oak Furniture Land and for that top

:26:26.:26:28.

price he was expecting top quality, which isn't quite what he got. I

:26:29.:26:38.

ordered 11 items from Oak Furniture Land. Four were damaged, three

:26:39.:26:44.

severely. The items were riddled with cracks, dents and broken

:26:45.:26:47.

panels, and a broken joint on the TV unit suggested that the furniture

:26:48.:26:51.

may have been crushed or dropped. When you order something that's

:26:52.:26:56.

supposed to be solid you expect solid, not cracked, split, damaged,

:26:57.:27:01.

broken. Oak Furniture Land told Ray three of the items were beyond

:27:02.:27:05.

repair and would need to be replaced. But they claimed they

:27:06.:27:09.

could repair the TV unit to what they called showroom standard.

:27:10.:27:16.

Standard. You restore antiques, you don't restore brand-new items of

:27:17.:27:21.

furniture. The TV unit has been dropped, so the integrity of it is

:27:22.:27:25.

weakened, so I said no to restoration. When Ray insisted they

:27:26.:27:30.

took back TV unit Oak Furniture Land told him he would have to return all

:27:31.:27:34.

of the furniture, even the pieces that weren't even damaged, and then

:27:35.:27:38.

buy it all over again. Ray was then told he would have to pay for it to

:27:39.:27:48.

be collected. So, if Ray did return his order, Oak Furniture Land would

:27:49.:27:52.

charge him up to ?350, and we've heard from other customers who've

:27:53.:27:55.

had to pay hundreds of pounds to send items back. When the sofa that

:27:56.:28:02.

Philip Garner ordered was too big to fit through the door of his home,

:28:03.:28:07.

Oak Furniture Land told him white cost ?300 to take it away. Do you

:28:08.:28:10.

know what I love most about Oak Furniture Land? Their huge choice of

:28:11.:28:18.

furniture? No. Their exclusive designs? Nope. It's their total

:28:19.:28:24.

dedication to having a go at restoring their very own damaged

:28:25.:28:31.

furniture. Yes, Oak Furniture Land seems incredibly reluctant to

:28:32.:28:34.

replace their furniture when it's damaged. Instead preferring to send

:28:35.:28:39.

their own repairers out. But do they know what they are actually doing?

:28:40.:28:44.

Dodgy repairs are something that this Oak Furniture Land customer

:28:45.:28:50.

from Northampton knows all about. We bought a full dining set which cost

:28:51.:28:55.

?2,500, a large amount of money, so we wanted to be sure we would get

:28:56.:29:00.

the furniture we wanted. After unpacking we noticed the knocks and

:29:01.:29:03.

scratches. The most shocking thing was the amount of problems on each

:29:04.:29:07.

piece. It wasn't just one chair. It was everything. More than three

:29:08.:29:11.

weeks later someone was finally sent to have a go at fixing all the

:29:12.:29:15.

damaged furniture. What Kirsty thought would take a few hours

:29:16.:29:21.

stretched into two days. My house ended up looking like a workshop.

:29:22.:29:32.

After two days it was restored to what Oak Furniture Land call

:29:33.:29:36.

showroom standard. And the rest of her furniture was sent away to be

:29:37.:29:42.

fixed. What are you doing, Sam? Keep going, there's plenty of work to be

:29:43.:29:49.

done! Even after repair the chairs still aren't showroom standard. They

:29:50.:29:53.

filed these back, they've added fill into the joints at the top, and at

:29:54.:29:57.

the bottom. And what about the furniture that was taken away to be

:29:58.:30:02.

fixed? Five months on and Oak Furniture Land still has half of

:30:03.:30:06.

Kirsty's chairs. I currently have only three of the six chairs, so we

:30:07.:30:12.

can have dinner as long as there's six of us. Like Kirsty Steven

:30:13.:30:17.

Harland from Southampton has also found Oak Furniture Land's showroom

:30:18.:30:21.

standard repairs as sub-standard. He was left with a table that's still

:30:22.:30:25.

dented and a sideboard that's ended up looking worse because the

:30:26.:30:34.

repairer spilt dye on it. Damaged furniture, dodgy repair jobs,

:30:35.:30:37.

furniture no better than the one you started with, the complaints against

:30:38.:30:40.

Oak Furniture Land seems endless. The one thing we stand for at Oak

:30:41.:30:44.

Furniture Land is quality. My advice for anyone watching any of the Oak

:30:45.:30:49.

Furniture Land adverts is to think about it really carefully, because

:30:50.:30:50.

it's just not worth the hassle. Paul Burgham from Oak Furniture Land

:30:51.:30:53.

joins me now. A quick update. Ian, Ray and Kirsty

:30:54.:31:03.

are getting replacements and refunds and the rest have had apologies.

:31:04.:31:08.

Yes. Why did it take us getting involved to get that results? Good

:31:09.:31:13.

evening, Chris, thank you for having me on the show. It is important to

:31:14.:31:16.

say we never intend to disappoint any of our customers. Clearly on

:31:17.:31:20.

some of these examples we've done that, and for that we unreservedly

:31:21.:31:25.

apologise. It is not our intention to do so. Let's talk about your

:31:26.:31:30.

policies then. Is it the policy to repair rather than take back or to

:31:31.:31:34.

allow customers to return damaged furniture? No, it is not a stated

:31:35.:31:39.

policy. What we try and do is try and get the best resolution to any

:31:40.:31:43.

problem that a customer has. Sometimes that may mean a

:31:44.:31:48.

restoration, because that will be a satisfactory resolution. In the case

:31:49.:31:52.

where a restoration won't suffice, we are happy to replace, or refund

:31:53.:31:58.

if we can't do that. I can't quite understand, you are a successful

:31:59.:32:01.

businessman, I can't imagine you take second best for anything. You

:32:02.:32:05.

spend two grand on a dining room table and chairs and they turn up

:32:06.:32:08.

with scratches and dents, are you happy like Kirsty to have two people

:32:09.:32:12.

in your house for two days repairing it? You would want a new one,

:32:13.:32:18.

surely? What I would say? Kirsty's case, Chris, we got that one wrong.

:32:19.:32:22.

Clearly it took us too long to rectify that. The decisions to

:32:23.:32:27.

restore were the wrong decisions. We should have just replaced those and

:32:28.:32:32.

that's what we will do for Kirsty. We've contacted Kirsty and offered

:32:33.:32:35.

that opportunity. We've had lots of complaints. 200 people have got in

:32:36.:32:40.

touch with us. Right. Is this a regular thing that you have damaged

:32:41.:32:46.

furniture? Those 200 complaints you've received, over the 14 months

:32:47.:32:51.

period you stated in essence that's roughly one in 10,000 of our

:32:52.:32:56.

customers. But we believe just one customer with a complaint is one too

:32:57.:33:01.

many. In that period of time, we've delivered 2 million items of

:33:02.:33:09.

furniture to over 350,000 customers. But we can get better, we promise to

:33:10.:33:14.

get better, and we will speak to your customers to discuss anything

:33:15.:33:18.

they think we haven't done satisfactorily for them. Paul, thank

:33:19.:33:19.

you. Thank you very much. We've seen them string customers

:33:20.:33:23.

along on their helpline to get as much money as possible

:33:24.:33:28.

while they look for answers in pretty much the same places

:33:29.:33:30.

as the rest of us - Google. Heart run another business,

:33:31.:33:33.

targeting people who are looking And like a naughty dog at afternoon

:33:34.:33:37.

tea, this one takes the biscuit. It's time for undercover stooge

:33:38.:33:50.

Arthur to join Heart Communications's scripted reality.

:33:51.:33:55.

He is well ream, or call centre manager Jane thinks so, as he hires

:33:56.:34:01.

him on the spot, and tells him about their other scam, which is proper

:34:02.:34:12.

bad. The website describes it as a Jeb win work from home opportunity,

:34:13.:34:16.

all job seekers have to do is request a pack, get started and

:34:17.:34:20.

start earning pound, pound, pound. The catch is that to apply you must

:34:21.:34:26.

call another premium rate phone number, which costs ?2 a minute.

:34:27.:34:28.

Jade's on a call now, the con is on. That sound like they are putting

:34:29.:34:55.

together a CV. Yes, Aylan, and it is taking a while. T

:34:56.:35:03.

together a CV. Yes, Aylan, and it is taking a while. -- Rylan. I bet you

:35:04.:35:05.

I can hold my breath from as long as this call takes. Don't be stupid,

:35:06.:35:09.

Matt. Why on earth is it taking so long?

:35:10.:35:25.

It couldn't be because they are trying to keep desperate job seekers

:35:26.:35:29.

on the line for as long as possible? Could that be the answer? Well,

:35:30.:35:36.

Rylan, Jade's about to give you a left hump to go with it.

:35:37.:35:51.

Rylan, Jade's about to give you a are for notices each

:35:52.:35:55.

Rylan, Jade's about to give you a centre gets around 80 work smart

:35:56.:35:59.

calls averaging ten minutes each bringing in around ?1600 every day.

:36:00.:36:12.

Asking for their qualifications and job history would be OK if it was

:36:13.:36:18.

for an actual comment genuine job. So, is it? Researcher debts Paul's

:36:19.:36:24.

work smart and is asked how to phonetically spell her name.

:36:25.:36:25.

work smart and is asked how to spending ?25 on the call,

:36:26.:36:32.

work smart and is asked how to containing tips on how to work from

:36:33.:36:33.

home. Things like, when containing tips on how to work from

:36:34.:36:45.

there's no evidence her details have even been passed to a single

:36:46.:36:50.

employer. She calls Jade to complain. Somebody went through all

:36:51.:36:55.

my work history and qualifications, I wonder if you sense that out to

:36:56.:37:00.

any companies yet. We don't send it out, you would have to sourced the

:37:01.:37:09.

work yourself. There's not a job? Various no job. Breaking the law,

:37:10.:37:15.

charging people for what they think is a job when the job doesn't exist.

:37:16.:37:20.

In April Naomi was living in a homeless shelter, she'd been

:37:21.:37:23.

unemployed two years and spent eight hours a day looking for jobs. I

:37:24.:37:28.

would apply for about 40 in the morning, then a few more in the

:37:29.:37:32.

afternoon. That say, a couple of hundred a week. Heart don't rely on

:37:33.:37:38.

job-seekers calling the premium rate phone lines only, sometimes they

:37:39.:37:43.

called call instead and ask for a one-off payment. They asked Naomi

:37:44.:37:49.

for ?29 50. They just told me about this job, they mentioned ?15 an

:37:50.:37:54.

hour. A light went off in my head and said, you've got a chance to

:37:55.:38:00.

escape, take it. But Naomi got a starter pack instead. Useless

:38:01.:38:03.

information she could easily have found online herself. When she

:38:04.:38:07.

complained, Heart Communications said everything she needed to get

:38:08.:38:13.

work was in the pack. I remember feeling panicked that I'd been taken

:38:14.:38:18.

for a scam. I needed that money for rent, I needed that money for food.

:38:19.:38:25.

So, where did Naomi's rent money go? To the boss, Labrecque Allard. Where

:38:26.:38:29.

does she live? You scripted reality couple. I'm so excited to go to

:38:30.:38:38.

Marbs, the music, the beach, getting tanned. Yes, Lara Canard and her

:38:39.:38:45.

husband Bradley lived in the Spanish resort of mark they accommodate

:38:46.:38:48.

crypt of their reality so skilfully they don't have two share it with

:38:49.:38:51.

the rest of us here on planet drizzle. -- scripted reality.

:38:52.:38:56.

Time is a wasting, particularly if you're on the phone

:38:57.:38:59.

to either of Heart Communication's dodge-ilified phone lines.

:39:00.:39:01.

Not to mention the fact that they're raising

:39:02.:39:03.

people's hopes of employment and then dashing them down in the sand.

:39:04.:39:06.

Talking of which, if you're wondering how on earth we're going

:39:07.:39:08.

to end this story, the answer is simple - The Only Way is Marbs!

:39:09.:39:11.

Somewhere I'm sure travel journalist Simon Calder has been many times. A

:39:12.:39:19.

lovely place. When you were here a couple of weeks ago we talked about

:39:20.:39:24.

the effects of the terror attack in Sharm El-Sheikh. Sadly since then

:39:25.:39:28.

event in Paris have taken focus. The situation has changed again. The

:39:29.:39:32.

French government is now recommend school trip to France should not

:39:33.:39:37.

take place. What's the latest on that? The latest development... Bear

:39:38.:39:43.

in mind the Foreign Office, since terrible events started to unfold

:39:44.:39:46.

six days ago, they changed their official advice of an times. The

:39:47.:39:51.

latest is, yes, if you are on a school trip, planning one between

:39:52.:39:55.

now and Sunday, the Foreign Office will commence you follow the

:39:56.:39:58.

Ministry of education in France advice, not to go. Slightly odd. In

:39:59.:40:05.

the aftermath of those terrible attacks, quite a lot happened quite

:40:06.:40:10.

quickly in France, they declared a state of emergency, they banned

:40:11.:40:13.

drones and said school trips until next Sunday could not go ahead.

:40:14.:40:17.

Parents will wonder, where do they stand? If your school has cancelled

:40:18.:40:24.

a two, because the Foreign Office is recommending they don't go ahead,

:40:25.:40:26.

you should be able to claim it back from the travel insurer. It used to

:40:27.:40:31.

feel like we could check the Foreign Office website once per year to find

:40:32.:40:34.

out what the status is, now it feels we should check it almost every day.

:40:35.:40:40.

Absolutely, today the advice changed for Sweden because yesterday Sweden,

:40:41.:40:43.

for the first time, raised its threat level for terrorism too high,

:40:44.:40:47.

they are putting extra people in place at various transport

:40:48.:40:52.

terminals. Yes, you can very easily, by searching online, Foreign

:40:53.:40:56.

Office and the name of the country, identify what the threat level is.

:40:57.:41:02.

It ranges from high, which is affecting France and many other

:41:03.:41:05.

destinations, including Turkey and Spain... And it goes all the way

:41:06.:41:13.

down to low. Is it a more dangerous place to travel, the world, that it

:41:14.:41:18.

used to be? I've been crunching the numbers all week because lots of

:41:19.:41:21.

people have been asking me that. It's the safest it has ever been.

:41:22.:41:26.

Look at the number of British people lucky enough to travel and the

:41:27.:41:29.

number who have sadly come to grief, there has never been a better time.

:41:30.:41:33.

I'm never going to let myself be intimidated, stop myself or my

:41:34.:41:37.

family travelling by a bunch of idiots with hatred in their hearts.

:41:38.:41:42.

Thank you, Simon, a message from someone who has been everywhere. A

:41:43.:41:50.

number of you got in touch to say the company were giving out

:41:51.:41:54.

confusing information as well as charging to rebook trips leaving

:41:55.:41:59.

before this Sunday. The Nash family, who had been due to go to Disneyland

:42:00.:42:03.

on Monday, they were told it would cost ?480 to change their date. So

:42:04.:42:09.

they abandoned their trip. We taken it up with Eurostar, who have

:42:10.:42:14.

revised their exchange policy as a result and apologised for the

:42:15.:42:18.

confusion. Anybody booked to travel between Saturday 14th and Sunday

:42:19.:42:22.

22nd of November can now rebook their tickets free of charge. Anyone

:42:23.:42:27.

who has already paid extra to change date will get their money back. Good

:42:28.:42:32.

news for those who missed their trips to Disneyland, which was

:42:33.:42:35.

closed until Tuesday. You are entitled to a full refund for your

:42:36.:42:39.

Eurostar tickets. To be clear, if it is Disneyland until Tuesday, just

:42:40.:42:45.

gone, you get a refund. Eurostar until this Sunday, you can rebook

:42:46.:42:50.

for free. Time for a Watchdog wedding!

:42:51.:42:53.

But this involves one of our researchers and a giant mobile

:42:54.:43:03.

phone. It sounds odd, but it's all for a good cause. It's to do with

:43:04.:43:08.

terms and conditions, documents we know we are supposed to be but

:43:09.:43:11.

hardly ever do. It can leave you with a funerary surprises.

:43:12.:43:16.

Terms and conditions, a legally binding agreement between two

:43:17.:43:22.

parties. They require commitment and careful consideration, since you can

:43:23.:43:26.

be confident you made the right choice. Sound familiar? You could

:43:27.:43:33.

see them like a marriage, except the wedding vows on to the love of your

:43:34.:43:37.

life, but usually to a big company or product. I, honest customer... I,

:43:38.:43:48.

honest customer. Do solemnly swear. To accept extra charges if I go over

:43:49.:43:52.

my data allowance. To accept extra charges if I go over my data

:43:53.:43:57.

allowance. As we know, terms and conditions can be really, really

:43:58.:44:01.

long, for example these T's C's from insurance company vitality life

:44:02.:44:06.

are twice as long as Shakespeare's Hamlet. The waiver of income

:44:07.:44:15.

protection premium... In other words it would take a staggering three

:44:16.:44:19.

hours and 40 minutes and 19 seconds to get through. And companies

:44:20.:44:24.

sometimes go to great lengths to make sure all bases are covered.

:44:25.:44:30.

ITunes say that any purchases made from their stores shouldn't be used

:44:31.:44:35.

in" the development, design, manufacture or production of

:44:36.:44:40.

nuclear, missile is or chemical or biological weapons". The former

:44:41.:44:47.

computer game giant game station had sinister terms. It said, you agree

:44:48.:44:51.

to grant us a nontransferable option to claim for now and ever you're

:44:52.:44:59.

immortal soul. Don't worry, that was the company's idea, believe it or

:45:00.:45:04.

not, of an April fool joke. Because most of us don't reach the T's

:45:05.:45:09.

C's, a reported seven and a half thousand people even signed without

:45:10.:45:12.

noticing. We're hardly immune either, the general T's C's we use

:45:13.:45:19.

on BBC online services are 4288 words long. Even if you do read

:45:20.:45:25.

through all of the small print, does it make sense? I invited Mike, Emma

:45:26.:45:29.

and do meet to our important and is buried in the small

:45:30.:45:43.

print. In front of you, some very long terms and conditions from

:45:44.:45:48.

Admiral travel insurance. The question is simple, you lose your

:45:49.:45:54.

?500 smartphone, how much will you get back with a standard policy?

:45:55.:46:07.

Are you saying you have an answer? If you think you have an answer,

:46:08.:46:14.

ring the bell. I think I've uncovered it. It's ?100. That's the

:46:15.:46:22.

maximum. What is your view? Unless you know or you are guided us to the

:46:23.:46:28.

section, you wouldn't know where to start. Terms and conditions that

:46:29.:46:32.

seem to have nothing to do with the product you are buying. What product

:46:33.:46:37.

do you think this relates to? Any legal liability directly or

:46:38.:46:45.

indirectly caused by or contributed to by or arising from ionising

:46:46.:46:51.

radiation or contamination from radioactivity from any irradiated

:46:52.:47:00.

nuclear fuel. Have a go at that one. It's possibly a mobile phone, I

:47:01.:47:04.

would say. The actual answer, believe it or not, is in sleep's car

:47:05.:47:14.

insurance. No way! Wording you need a law degree to understand --

:47:15.:47:23.

Endsleigh. What does this mean? We will not pay for the following...

:47:24.:47:29.

Liability, arising from a contract or agreement, unless the liability

:47:30.:47:36.

would have existed without that contract or agreement. Honestly, I

:47:37.:47:44.

find that so convoluted and confusing, it's just meaningless.

:47:45.:47:49.

The answer is, the insurance company won't pay for any agreements made

:47:50.:47:55.

outside of the insurance policy. For example if any of our three

:47:56.:47:59.

contestants Walls blew down and they made an agreement with the neighbour

:48:00.:48:03.

to rebuild with a stronger material, sheilas wheels can refuse to pay the

:48:04.:48:10.

extra cost. It seems for years we've had no choice but to sign on the

:48:11.:48:13.

dotted line and agree, no matter how confusing. Well, there is finally

:48:14.:48:22.

some good news. Last month new consumer laws came into play and one

:48:23.:48:26.

of the big new rules gives you more power when it comes to the small

:48:27.:48:31.

print. For example, burying important information, such as extra

:48:32.:48:34.

charges, right at the end of terms and conditions is now something that

:48:35.:48:38.

a consumer can challenge even if they've already signed the

:48:39.:48:42.

agreement. Jargon, being bombarded with over complicated language is

:48:43.:48:46.

also a no-go. It sounds like a good deal, but how do you use your new

:48:47.:48:52.

rights? Time to bring in the final wedding guest, James Daly, from

:48:53.:49:00.

Sarah finance. -- fairer. How important are these changes? Really,

:49:01.:49:04.

they give consumers more rights when it comes to sneaky bits of small

:49:05.:49:07.

printed in a way in the bottom of the contract. If it's not prominent

:49:08.:49:15.

consumers can challenge it. If not in the ombudsman, but in court.

:49:16.:49:19.

Hopefully it'll mean contracts and small print get clearer going

:49:20.:49:23.

forward. If you are watching this show tonight and think, I've entered

:49:24.:49:26.

into an agreement, found something that isn't fair, don't be scared to

:49:27.:49:31.

challenge it, it's not as hard as you think and because calls aren't

:49:32.:49:35.

as expensive as you think. We all enter into these contracts helping

:49:36.:49:40.

tweet hoping for a better union. It's always good to know if there is

:49:41.:49:42.

a way out if you need it. This is the jilted mobile phone. You

:49:43.:49:55.

are still with us, still reading, whereas you up to? Age 36. Has it

:49:56.:50:00.

been as entertaining as you thought? It's been riveting. You've got a

:50:01.:50:05.

long way to go before the end of the programme.

:50:06.:50:07.

The sun is coming down on Heart Communications of Welwyn Garden City

:50:08.:50:10.

- not to be confused with companies of the same or similar name.

:50:11.:50:15.

Please God don't do that, for all of our sakes.

:50:16.:50:18.

But if we're going to enjoy a drink on the verandah wearing nothing more

:50:19.:50:21.

And clothes, obviously, then we need to get ourselves to

:50:22.:50:25.

My layout. Yes, the cost at... Lot for a phone call. We're here to find

:50:26.:50:44.

the boss, Lara K.. We've tracked her down to this 5-star

:50:45.:50:51.

luxury apartment block with tropical landscaped gardens and a choice of

:50:52.:50:55.

swimming pools. Business must be booming. -- Marbella. If you are

:50:56.:51:01.

looking for work, like Naomi, for instance, and thinking to yourself,

:51:02.:51:04.

you know, I wonder where this money is going, that I'm using to pay for

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the advice that I'm being given over the telephone. Well, that's it,

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really, that is where your money is going, to make sure Lara K. can

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carry on living in this highly secure shiny marble palace. ?2 per

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minute. Catching up with Lara K. is proving to be a problem

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because where she lives is a fortress with high gates, the CTV

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cameras and 24-hour security guards. We're pretty sure we've been

:51:41.:51:44.

spotted. The surveillance team that were watching her have had the

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police called on them, so they've had to show passports, that sort of

:51:50.:51:52.

thing, to the police, you've clearly been called by somebody.

:51:53.:51:58.

Surveillance shows that Lara K. is either in her version of what

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knocks or travelling in her four x four Porsche. We have to hope her

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weekly exercise class on the beach takes place. But she might skip the

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gym lesson. If she skipped it, I don't think I'll bother, to be

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honest. Don't really see the point. Don't look at the timber. Lara is a

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no-show in Marbella. Back in Hertfordshire time to catch up with

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the call centre manager, an old hand, she's worked at Heart four

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years and train staff into squeezing money out of the unemployed and

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technophobes, many of them elderly. She is or heart. Time to lure her

:52:38.:52:50.

away from these phones. Jade, Matt alright, BBC Rogue

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Traders. How you doing there? So the business you are a big part of here

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there's no reason for it to exist at all is there, because what you're

:53:29.:53:34.

doing is... Leave me alone, please, it's not my company, so... No, but

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you are Lara K.. You are training people to cold cal, to

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offer people jobs that don't exist and getting them to call a premium

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rate line, to spend as long as possible on that line so they rack

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up bills that they can't afford, because they haven't got jobs. The

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people that work for you know it's a scam, you know it's a scam, don't

:53:59.:54:02.

you? You know that what you're doing is actually not required at all, and

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that you're subsidising a lifestyle. You are not coming in here. Why not?

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Because they are going to call the police. For what, why? You are

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breaking and entering. I'm not breaking and entering. Jade, what we

:54:18.:54:22.

are talking about is an industry that's not required. You are making

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money from people who can't afford it and all you are doing is

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subsidising the lifestyle of two people in Marbella so they can go to

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the beach and drive around in a Porsche. She's happy to natter for

:54:37.:54:41.

hours on a premium rate phone line but when I turn up I can't get ?2 of

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chat out of her. But we have other ways of communicating. People of

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Heart Communications Are you there? Give us a wave. This screen explains

:54:55.:55:02.

everything. Alright, take it away. Hi! Welcome to don't you wish you

:55:03.:55:08.

were here, from sunny Marbella in Spain, playground of the rich and

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famous, where well-heeled bronzed Brits like to be and be seen. What

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you probably don't know is that it is also home to Lara K., the

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sole named director of Heart Communications, your boss, and this

:55:24.:55:27.

is where she lives... We must be clear that Heart share this is build

:55:28.:55:31.

ing with other businesses. Hopefully its call centre staff are getting

:55:32.:55:35.

the message. And this is what she drives to the beach, a flipping big

:55:36.:55:42.

white Porsche. Maybe you are wording where all the money came from?

:55:43.:55:46.

That's right, from you guys, when you are dishonestly keeping people

:55:47.:55:51.

hanging on the telephone. Happy holidays. OK, I think you've got to

:55:52.:55:55.

message now, so we are going to go. Bye. Yeah, and if that looks

:55:56.:55:59.

attractive to you and you are thinking to yourself, I would quite

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like a piece of that, what I would say is this. The only way is not

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Just to be clear once more, there marshes. Other ways are available.

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Just to be clear once more, there are other legitimate businesses

:56:16.:56:17.

working out of that building in Welwyn Garden City. We are not

:56:18.:56:18.

interested in any of them. Welwyn Garden City. We are not

:56:19.:56:22.

Heart Communications. Also once again there are other businesses

:56:23.:56:26.

called Heart. Please don't mistake any of them for this lot. They've

:56:27.:56:31.

been in touch. They say they handle thousands of calls for hundreds of

:56:32.:56:35.

clients and premium rate is just a small part of what they do. They

:56:36.:56:42.

claim to take regulatory regulations seriously and refute that they keep

:56:43.:56:52.

people on the line, and they have positive feed-back for this service.

:56:53.:56:55.

They say the details are on their website. They may also want to

:56:56.:57:00.

contact us. There's their response, but we we have seen with our own

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eyes means that while but we we have seen with our own

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is in Marbella, she is also in the Rogue Traders. We've had an e-mail

:57:10.:57:15.

about another drone which crashed. We'll follow that up.

:57:16.:57:21.

about another drone which crashed. 50 complaints about Oak Furniture

:57:22.:57:22.

Land tonight. We'll pass 50 complaints about Oak Furniture

:57:23.:57:30.

tip-offs. Go to our website. You can write to us as well.

:57:31.:57:40.

Vodafone - hitting customers travelling abroad with huge charges,

:57:41.:57:47.

And after our Rogue Traders investigation into a puppy farm,

:57:48.:57:51.

where we found this little guy in a terrible state, Watchdog is

:57:52.:57:56.

calling for tighter regulations to help end this cruel trade for good.

:57:57.:58:00.

Gizmo is feeling a lot better and being well looked after

:58:01.:58:03.

Adrian is still reading his T He at the earlier time of 7.30pm.

:58:04.:58:15.

Adrian is still reading his T He can't leave the studio until he's

:58:16.:58:19.

finished. From all of us, but not him, goodbye!

:58:20.:58:23.

and consume food is changing faster than ever.

:58:24.:58:26.

A seemingly sci-fi future is actually a reality.

:58:27.:58:30.

I'll be joined by a team of experts and we'll scour the globe

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