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They're set to be one of this Christmas's big sellers, but drones | :00:00. | :00:08. | |
are posing a serious threat to air traffic and people on the ground. | :00:09. | :00:13. | |
I take to the skies with the pilot to almost collided | :00:14. | :00:21. | |
I take to the skies with the pilot mid-flight. Is it time for anyone | :00:22. | :00:23. | |
using a drone in the UK to be registered? | :00:24. | :00:42. | |
We're live for the next hour, fighting for your rights. | :00:43. | :00:49. | |
Tonight, in the light of last week's terror attack in Paris, Simon Calder | :00:50. | :00:52. | |
As confusion and chaos continues over your | :00:53. | :01:01. | |
pension options, Minister Ros Altmann is here to provide some | :01:02. | :01:03. | |
We reveal how new laws could protect you from unfair terms and | :01:04. | :01:11. | |
conditions. This is a 100 page agreement for an online account. 100 | :01:12. | :01:17. | |
pages! One of our team, Adrian, will try to read it by the end of the | :01:18. | :01:21. | |
programme. Start now, Adrian, if you can't read it in an hour, frankly, | :01:22. | :01:23. | |
what's the point? Also tonight, Oak Furniture land | :01:24. | :01:26. | |
and a catalogue of complaints Ian Robertson wanted a table | :01:27. | :01:28. | |
and chairs that match. Ray Briggs wanted | :01:29. | :01:31. | |
a TV unit that wasn't cracked. And after ordering a full set, | :01:32. | :01:33. | |
Kirsty Whiting wanted more than three usable chairs | :01:34. | :01:36. | |
for her family to sit on. Did any | :01:37. | :01:38. | |
of them get what they wanted? And we're entering the job market as | :01:39. | :01:44. | |
I confront a rogue ripping people You are training people to cold call | :01:45. | :01:57. | |
people who haven't got jobs to offer them jobs which don't exist and then | :01:58. | :02:02. | |
get them to call a premium rate line to spend as long as possible on that | :02:03. | :02:07. | |
line, so they racked up bills that they can't afford because they | :02:08. | :02:12. | |
haven't got jobs. That pretty much explains it! It does. | :02:13. | :02:16. | |
Whether it's the police, enthusiastic photographers or | :02:17. | :02:19. | |
companies planning to use them for deliveries, these flying machines | :02:20. | :02:21. | |
In the last year alone, one high street retailler has told | :02:22. | :02:26. | |
us they've sold 17,000 of these devices, but when things go wrong, | :02:27. | :02:29. | |
They come in various sizes, this is a particularly big, powerful one. | :02:30. | :02:42. | |
You've been telling us that they can go wrong. Even when they don't, they | :02:43. | :02:44. | |
can still be extremely dangerous. When it comes to getting a birds eye | :02:45. | :02:53. | |
view of the world there is no doubt that drones are brilliant | :02:54. | :02:58. | |
inventions. Drones with built in cameras start at just ?20, meaning | :02:59. | :03:04. | |
they are accessible to anyone. And they are everywhere now, TV crews | :03:05. | :03:08. | |
like us are using them to get that perfect aerial shot. They are also | :03:09. | :03:12. | |
great fun to play with, more and more people are buying them to use | :03:13. | :03:15. | |
at home, on holiday, in the local park. With drones reaching heights | :03:16. | :03:21. | |
of around 400 feet, they are not so much fun if things go wrong. We were | :03:22. | :03:27. | |
contacted by the owner of this drone, who sent his footage after it | :03:28. | :03:32. | |
malfunctioned and crashed into Betty Luker's garden in Kent, feet away | :03:33. | :03:33. | |
from the Eurostar train line. I was hanging washing on this line | :03:34. | :03:37. | |
and it came across here, this noise, What was it? How big was it? About | :03:38. | :04:00. | |
like that, I think. Making a hell of noise. I thought, what on is it? | :04:01. | :04:03. | |
Sorry, I'm still shaking. You've had a really lucky escape, | :04:04. | :04:05. | |
haven't you? Yes, it could have been really | :04:06. | :04:07. | |
nasty if it hit my head, yes. Which is exactly why the Civil | :04:08. | :04:19. | |
Aviation Authority has strict rules in place to make sure people fly | :04:20. | :04:23. | |
their drones safely and responsibly. If you use them | :04:24. | :04:27. | |
professionally, you need a full licence. But for amateur drone users | :04:28. | :04:36. | |
varies the -- fares drone code. You must never fly higher than 400 feet | :04:37. | :04:40. | |
and keep the drone away from aircraft and air field unless you | :04:41. | :04:45. | |
have their permission, like we did, for filming. Drones fitted with | :04:46. | :04:48. | |
cameras mustn't be flown over congested areas or within 50 metres | :04:49. | :04:53. | |
of vehicles, buildings or people without getting their explicit | :04:54. | :04:57. | |
consent, like I gave to our professional operator. The rules | :04:58. | :05:02. | |
themselves are crystal clear but figures from police forces across | :05:03. | :05:06. | |
the UK show that in the past year alone they've received more than 450 | :05:07. | :05:11. | |
calls about drones from members of the public. In fact, one force has | :05:12. | :05:15. | |
reported eight more than 20 fold increase in is last year. Are these | :05:16. | :05:20. | |
drone users deliberately breaking the rules or do they simply not know | :05:21. | :05:29. | |
about them? Stefan and Hannah from Stockwell certainly didn't and it | :05:30. | :05:33. | |
took getting into trouble with the police at the Natural History Museum | :05:34. | :05:36. | |
before they realised there are actually rules on where they can fly | :05:37. | :05:43. | |
their drone. He's getting told off for using his flying camera. I don't | :05:44. | :05:47. | |
think I was allowed to get that shop. I was interviewed by police | :05:48. | :05:51. | |
for about six hours altogether, I've never heard of anybody getting in | :05:52. | :05:55. | |
legal trouble with it. I was under the impression that as long as you | :05:56. | :06:00. | |
were sensible and as long as you knew what you were doing, almost, it | :06:01. | :06:06. | |
would be OK. Stefan was let off by the police and read up on the CAA | :06:07. | :06:11. | |
drone flying rules. If I hadn't got in trouble, I would never have | :06:12. | :06:14. | |
learned about the rules and I'd probably still be out there flying | :06:15. | :06:19. | |
it now. It's not just flying drones in populated areas that is causing | :06:20. | :06:25. | |
concern. People flying drones near aircraft is a growing problem. Air | :06:26. | :06:29. | |
safety figures show there been around 20 reports since last year | :06:30. | :06:33. | |
from pilots you've experienced drones in dangerously close to their | :06:34. | :06:38. | |
planes or helicopters. A terrifying prospect and, luckily, all near | :06:39. | :06:46. | |
misses so far. One of those pilot is this gyrocopter instructor, Kai, it | :06:47. | :06:56. | |
happened to him not once, but twice. The first time you saw a drone, what | :06:57. | :06:58. | |
happened? When I was on a training flight with | :06:59. | :06:59. | |
a student, it certainly appeared in So I took the controls | :07:00. | :07:02. | |
from my student and took avoiding If we hadn't avoided, we certainly | :07:03. | :07:19. | |
would have had an impact. The second time? 1500 feet, didn't see anything | :07:20. | :07:25. | |
until it came across here. What would have happened if that hit you? | :07:26. | :07:32. | |
We were doing a similar speed, 85-90 mph, it would have gone through the | :07:33. | :07:34. | |
screen. You are an experienced pilot | :07:35. | :07:36. | |
but you must have been very shaken. Afterwards, when you actually think | :07:37. | :07:40. | |
about what could have happened, So what can be done to tackle unsafe | :07:41. | :07:44. | |
drone use? In Ireland and America, | :07:45. | :07:55. | |
plans are already in place to roll out a compulsory registration | :07:56. | :07:57. | |
scheme for anyone who owns a drone. It'll mean users can be fully | :07:58. | :08:01. | |
educated on the latest rules and Safety information. If the UK | :08:02. | :08:12. | |
Government were to follow suit, responsible drone users could be | :08:13. | :08:17. | |
tracked down far more easily. Which could help in cases like this. Last | :08:18. | :08:23. | |
month a police horse from the West Yorkshire mounted branch was spooked | :08:24. | :08:26. | |
while out in the paddock. With tragic consequences. He ran into a | :08:27. | :08:31. | |
post and, sadly, died of his injuries. Officers later discovered | :08:32. | :08:35. | |
a drone nearby and suspect this was the cause. Without a drone | :08:36. | :08:42. | |
registration scheme in place, it's almost impossible to track down the | :08:43. | :08:43. | |
owner. Had there been a registration scheme that the owner had complied | :08:44. | :08:47. | |
with, and there were identifying marks on the drone, it would have | :08:48. | :08:51. | |
helped us and we could have identified the owner and made the | :08:52. | :08:58. | |
appropriate inquiry. Alan McKenna has contributed to government | :08:59. | :09:01. | |
studies on drones and is in favour for compulsory registration. | :09:02. | :09:03. | |
A registration scheme would require those purchasing drones to identify | :09:04. | :09:06. | |
themselves in terms of names and addresses, it would provide | :09:07. | :09:08. | |
the regulatory authorities with that vital information they | :09:09. | :09:10. | |
In the meantime, Kai is calling on all drone users to remind themselves | :09:11. | :09:21. | |
of the rules before there was a real accident. I think educating people | :09:22. | :09:25. | |
better would be extremely helpful because I'm quite sure there was | :09:26. | :09:29. | |
only a very, very small minority that try to push the boundaries to | :09:30. | :09:34. | |
the point where it will end up with an impact, or it will end up hurting | :09:35. | :09:38. | |
somebody. If any of you have had a near miss, | :09:39. | :09:48. | |
any problems with drones, do get in touch. You can find more information | :09:49. | :09:52. | |
about how to use drones safely on our website. | :09:53. | :09:54. | |
Schools have been told to put trips to France on hold until after this | :09:55. | :10:04. | |
weekend, Simon Calder will explain how the global terror threat might | :10:05. | :10:05. | |
affect all of our travel plans. Telling truth from fantasy when | :10:06. | :10:14. | |
watching television can be eight challenge these days. The drama is | :10:15. | :10:19. | |
so realistic yet the reality is so dramatic. It turns out they've is no | :10:20. | :10:23. | |
place called Walford in the East End of London, so there I was for the | :10:24. | :10:27. | |
last 30 years thinking I was watching a documentary. But that's | :10:28. | :10:31. | |
fine, it's only entertainment. If, however, like tonight's rogues, your | :10:32. | :10:36. | |
business offers desperate people jobs, you need to make sure you are | :10:37. | :10:40. | |
not part of an elaborate and destructive soap opera. Otherwise | :10:41. | :10:43. | |
your heart is in the wrong place. With trains out of action, the hard | :10:44. | :10:57. | |
work has been getting to work. Real reality can be rubbish, so many | :10:58. | :11:08. | |
people prefer to watch TV shows, like this, instead. Eight look | :11:09. | :11:13. | |
real, following real people's real lives, but they are not real. | :11:14. | :11:17. | |
Because, in fact, the scenes are scripted. It's called scripted | :11:18. | :11:20. | |
reality and there is a lot of snogging. All right, babe? I thought | :11:21. | :11:30. | |
you wasn't going to be here. I thought that, too. I like that | :11:31. | :11:36. | |
shirt. Keeps my top half nice and warm, know what I mean? Did you snog | :11:37. | :11:42. | |
Karen? You what? Never mind, whatever. | :11:43. | :11:47. | |
You see, it's a highly glamorous world where people seem to go places | :11:48. | :11:54. | |
and then chat, using all the latest urban slang. Everything looks | :11:55. | :11:59. | |
amazing, nobody seems to do any work of any real value. Yet we get to | :12:00. | :12:04. | |
eavesdrop on some staggering conversations that will make your | :12:05. | :12:08. | |
drawers drop. Is chicken and vegetable? | :12:09. | :12:16. | |
It's not unlike life at Heart Communications run by Laura Canard, | :12:17. | :12:23. | |
the director. Its call centre is based in this shiny shared office in | :12:24. | :12:26. | |
Welwyn Garden City, but like scripted reality shows, things | :12:27. | :12:32. | |
aren't quite what they seem. We know that Heart Communications has three | :12:33. | :12:35. | |
telephone services. One of that Heart Communications has three | :12:36. | :12:59. | |
callers to pounds per minute, let's say you forgotten how to change the | :13:00. | :13:02. | |
password on your social media account. Type the problem into a | :13:03. | :13:06. | |
search engine and pops the helpline number, manned by people it calls | :13:07. | :13:13. | |
So what was your background, have told us it isn't the reality. | :13:14. | :13:20. | |
So what was your background, expertise in that area? We had no | :13:21. | :13:24. | |
training, no training whatsoever. How did you answer that question? We | :13:25. | :13:29. | |
had to type their problem into Google and read from Google | :13:30. | :13:33. | |
troubleshooting. It seems Heart Communications charges ?2 per minute | :13:34. | :13:39. | |
to look stuff up on Google. They admit this in the small print. But | :13:40. | :13:44. | |
for Gemma it was a con. How did you feel doing that? Immoral, | :13:45. | :13:47. | |
incompetent, we didn't know feel doing that? Immoral, | :13:48. | :13:52. | |
were talking about. They also claim their helpline is fast. We had to | :13:53. | :13:57. | |
keep them on the phone for 80 minutes, a premium rate number. You | :13:58. | :14:00. | |
were told specifically they had to stay on that long. Yeah, otherwise | :14:01. | :14:04. | |
we would be questioned why and possibly find. Time to put Heart | :14:05. | :14:10. | |
Communications to the test. We need an appropriate passer-by. Hello. | :14:11. | :14:17. | |
Excuse me, sir. You wouldn't have a laptop on you, would you? Yeah, I | :14:18. | :14:22. | |
have, actually. This is going to work. It's time for a race, who can | :14:23. | :14:26. | |
solve a simple Facebook problem first? Our research or the guy on | :14:27. | :14:34. | |
the laptop, whoever he is? If someone googles me or whatever, I | :14:35. | :14:36. | |
want that my profile won't come up. someone googles me or whatever, I | :14:37. | :14:44. | |
What was your name again? Rylan. Can you get on Google please, Rylan. I | :14:45. | :14:55. | |
love a bit of Google. My address? Completely irrelevant, to solve the | :14:56. | :14:59. | |
problem or that you do is un-tick a box on Facebook. I am ticking the | :15:00. | :15:10. | |
box, removing VTEC. 63 seconds! 63 seconds. It takes Heart | :15:11. | :15:17. | |
Communications another 12 minutes, asking irrelevant questions, getting | :15:18. | :15:23. | |
another ?24 out of us. Bang out of order, you can't stretch it out like | :15:24. | :15:28. | |
that. I agree with you. We've got a firm which seems to be stringing out | :15:29. | :15:34. | |
its cause as long as possible. I'm going down to my Nan's for a sausage | :15:35. | :15:42. | |
turnover. Shut up! 100%. What a salty potato. I'm thinking of | :15:43. | :15:46. | |
putting a pair of cap results into this call centre. Do one. Sorry? Do | :15:47. | :16:02. | |
one. OK, let's do one, shall we? Our first student undercover is Alice, | :16:03. | :16:06. | |
hired by the call centre manager, Jade Hall. She's worked here four | :16:07. | :16:11. | |
years, so speaks with authority when she tells Alice how to resolve Calla | :16:12. | :16:15. | |
problems. Google it, see what you can find, get them to do it while | :16:16. | :16:21. | |
you on the phone. Just googling, at least they fix peoples problems, | :16:22. | :16:27. | |
don't they? No. This operator is keeping a woman on the line for 40 | :16:28. | :16:32. | |
minutes, it'll cost her ?28. He knows he can't solve her problem. He | :16:33. | :16:38. | |
tells her to ask Facebook to change your e-mail address. That is a lie. | :16:39. | :16:40. | |
I didn't fill out a form. I wonder what the staff think of | :16:41. | :16:56. | |
having to do that sort of thing. It costs them about ?2 a minute, I feel | :16:57. | :16:58. | |
so bad. Yeah, why on earth do it, then? Here | :16:59. | :17:04. | |
is Jade to explain. They can't do that, that's not | :17:05. | :17:23. | |
right. Yeah, I think it's not right, I don't really know. What do you | :17:24. | :17:28. | |
mean you think? Find an expert and sort this out. Here's one now. That | :17:29. | :17:32. | |
was easy. Try not to be really quick... From my perspective, clear | :17:33. | :17:40. | |
breach of the code. The company could be fined for that sort of | :17:41. | :17:42. | |
behaviour. Prolonging the call is against the law. Prolonging the war | :17:43. | :17:48. | |
unnecessarily is against the law. And that is what is clearly being | :17:49. | :17:49. | |
stated there. But Jade is following orders from | :17:50. | :18:00. | |
her boss, whose last helpline pulled in ?500,000 a year. The staff are | :18:01. | :18:05. | |
told that there's a target for every call. Short ones get a sad face It | :18:06. | :18:10. | |
looks like the corporate company is set up in order to make as much | :18:11. | :18:14. | |
money out of these people as possible. It is something the boss | :18:15. | :18:21. | |
has been told off about before. In 2012 her previous premium rate | :18:22. | :18:26. | |
helpline was fined ?60,000 for misleading callers. 13 of her | :18:27. | :18:32. | |
companies have been dissolved and none ever filed their accounts. They | :18:33. | :18:43. | |
failed to pay ?85,000 in debts. What am I supposed to be doing? We are | :18:44. | :18:48. | |
going back to the studio. On the bike? No, up in the air. Push this | :18:49. | :18:59. | |
up in the air. Just push it up? Yes. We'll be taking to the skies later | :19:00. | :19:02. | |
to find the bosses of Heart Communications of Welwyn Garden | :19:03. | :19:05. | |
City, because their other scam exploits the unemployed. Also, they | :19:06. | :19:09. | |
can live a fantasy life far away from these shore. Ref justices from | :19:10. | :19:14. | |
reality and some home truths in a bit. | :19:15. | :19:16. | |
Now, if you have a story you'd like us to investigate, get in touch. | :19:17. | :19:20. | |
These guys are waiting to hear from you. | :19:21. | :19:22. | |
or go the website and click where it says 'send us your stories'. | :19:23. | :19:27. | |
And if you want to comment on any of tonight's reports, | :19:28. | :19:29. | |
you can also tweet us or post on our Facebook page. | :19:30. | :19:35. | |
Time for a T and C update. Adrian is attempting to decipher these terms | :19:36. | :19:43. | |
and conditions. It was 100 pages. How are you getting on? Page 11. A | :19:44. | :19:49. | |
good read? No. What are we up to now? . Any applicable law... Keep | :19:50. | :19:53. | |
going, because you've got to get it done by the end of the programme. | :19:54. | :19:55. | |
Sophie. A couple of weeks ago we | :19:56. | :19:57. | |
investigated companies failing to give their customers the new | :19:58. | :20:01. | |
freedoms promised by the Government. Since then, loads of you have been | :20:02. | :20:03. | |
in touch to say that So to try and provide some answers, | :20:04. | :20:06. | |
I'm joined by the Thank you very much for coming in. | :20:07. | :20:16. | |
Thank you. These changes were rushed through weren't they? It was a great | :20:17. | :20:22. | |
headline before the election but in reality the industry wasn't ready | :20:23. | :20:25. | |
for such enormous changes. They are enormous changes but the industry | :20:26. | :20:29. | |
had a year to prepare. Most industries have to adjust when | :20:30. | :20:33. | |
things change. These reforms are absolutely the right thing. It is | :20:34. | :20:37. | |
what we should have lutely the right thing. It is what we should have | :20:38. | :20:40. | |
done a long time ago - trust customers with their own money, | :20:41. | :20:42. | |
trust people to be sensible, if they have done well enough to save for | :20:43. | :20:45. | |
their retirement, they should be allowed to do what they want. | :20:46. | :20:49. | |
Unfortunately, the industry is quite used to telling customers what to | :20:50. | :20:52. | |
do, or the Government tell people what to do. This is a revolution, a | :20:53. | :20:57. | |
whole new aspect to pensions where we are putting people in charge of | :20:58. | :21:01. | |
their own money. So is it the industry's fault then, this | :21:02. | :21:03. | |
confusion, the chaos that our viewers have been talking to us, it | :21:04. | :21:07. | |
is the industry's fault for not getting it right? A lot of the | :21:08. | :21:11. | |
problems do stem from the fact that the pensions industry has very | :21:12. | :21:14. | |
old-fashioned systems, very old-fashioned products, and we are | :21:15. | :21:18. | |
trying to move all that into the 21st century. Now, these things have | :21:19. | :21:25. | |
been built up over tens of years, 40 years, 30 years in this cases. Huge | :21:26. | :21:35. | |
very fast. Some people think you are playing politics with people's | :21:36. | :21:39. | |
pensions rushing them through. We are not playing politics. This is | :21:40. | :21:43. | |
what people should be entitled to. If you save in any other form, the | :21:44. | :21:49. | |
Government doesn't tell you you've got to buy a particular product. It | :21:50. | :21:53. | |
is up to you. Pensions are precious. It is money for you for later life. | :21:54. | :21:58. | |
But there's a big issue about advice. There's guidance which the | :21:59. | :22:06. | |
Government offers for free, which few people take, and advice that | :22:07. | :22:10. | |
costs money. Why don't the Government tell people what | :22:11. | :22:14. | |
costs money. Why don't the with their life savings? You are | :22:15. | :22:19. | |
right. Don't make quick decisions. We've set up the Pensions Wise | :22:20. | :22:21. | |
guidance service, which I would urge We've set up the Pensions Wise | :22:22. | :22:25. | |
anybody who has questions. You are over 50 you can | :22:26. | :22:30. | |
anybody who has questions. You are Wise service and they can help you | :22:31. | :22:31. | |
understand. But Wise service and they can help you | :22:32. | :22:37. | |
purpose. Well, I think that's most unfair. In fact the satisfaction | :22:38. | :22:41. | |
ratings of unfair. In fact the satisfaction | :22:42. | :22:46. | |
wise is over 90%. The problem is not enough people know about it and | :22:47. | :22:50. | |
pension companies haven't been advertising it. The Government is | :22:51. | :22:54. | |
trying to. I think we do need to do more but it is a | :22:55. | :22:55. | |
trying to. I think we do need to do important service. 1.5 million | :22:56. | :22:59. | |
people have used the website. You can have website, phone or face to | :23:00. | :23:03. | |
face. But as you will recognise there's a lot of concern | :23:04. | :23:05. | |
face. But as you will recognise the new pension scheme, and the | :23:06. | :23:09. | |
committee said it could lead to the next mis-selling scandal. There's | :23:10. | :23:12. | |
confusion in the industry, certainly among our viewers. Confusion in | :23:13. | :23:15. | |
Parliament as well. It is a mess. What are you going to do | :23:16. | :23:18. | |
Parliament as well. It is a mess. Pensions they'll are complex and | :23:19. | :23:24. | |
queuesening. What I want people to understand is if you've got money to | :23:25. | :23:31. | |
put in a pension, there isn't a rush. The longer you leave it, the | :23:32. | :23:34. | |
put in a pension, there isn't a better it is. If you take it out, a | :23:35. | :23:37. | |
quarter is tax-free. better it is. If you take it out, a | :23:38. | :23:41. | |
that over a number of years, the amount of tax will be lower. Ros | :23:42. | :23:43. | |
Altmann, thank you. With more than 60 stores across | :23:44. | :23:45. | |
the country, they claim to be But after almost 200 Watchdog | :23:46. | :23:49. | |
viewers complained to us about poor products and poor service, | :23:50. | :23:57. | |
we thought it was time for Chris - You know what I love most about Oak | :23:58. | :24:10. | |
Furniture Land? Free delivery on everything? No. Interest-free | :24:11. | :24:18. | |
credit. No deposit? No. That's Oak Furniture Land, and according to | :24:19. | :24:21. | |
them there are lots of things to love about their solid, real wood | :24:22. | :24:27. | |
furniture. But many of you have been in touch telling us that despite | :24:28. | :24:32. | |
their claims of top quality goods there are many reasons not to love | :24:33. | :24:38. | |
their furniture. Is it when you get mismatched furniture in different | :24:39. | :24:41. | |
colours? That's certainly one of them. Ian Robertson from Hull has | :24:42. | :24:46. | |
invited me around to talk about why he certainly doesn't love Oak | :24:47. | :24:49. | |
Furniture Land. He's had nothing but problems since spending more than | :24:50. | :24:53. | |
?1,000 on his dining set. So this is the table? Yes. It is a nice table. | :24:54. | :24:59. | |
What's wrong with it? Well, it is the wrong colour. It doesn't match | :25:00. | :25:03. | |
the chairs at all. Why is that? It is the third table we've had off | :25:04. | :25:08. | |
them. And that's because Ian's first table arrived with a panel he was | :25:09. | :25:13. | |
ununhappy with, so he returned it. So what happened to the second | :25:14. | :25:16. | |
table? It was lovely, a gorgeous table, but within a few months there | :25:17. | :25:20. | |
was a split from there to there. This time around Oak Furniture Land | :25:21. | :25:24. | |
decided to replace just the table top, which is how Ian has ended up | :25:25. | :25:28. | |
with a dining set with mismatching colours. So what was their solution? | :25:29. | :25:31. | |
They did offer us some dark wax colours. So what was their solution? | :25:32. | :25:39. | |
wax all our other pieces of furniture so they matched the dark | :25:40. | :25:44. | |
top. That's not acceptable. What else have they offered to do? They | :25:45. | :25:49. | |
would refund the table alone but we would be left with 8 chairs. No good | :25:50. | :25:54. | |
to anybody unless you want to eat on your knee. Oak Furniture Land | :25:55. | :25:57. | |
refused to give him a full refund for the whole set. So being stuck | :25:58. | :26:01. | |
with mismatched furniture is one very good reason not to love Oak | :26:02. | :26:04. | |
Furniture Land. Can you think of another one? Is it the free knocks | :26:05. | :26:11. | |
and dents with your new furniture? And? Being charged hundreds to | :26:12. | :26:20. | |
return it? Very good. When Ray Briggs moved into his new home in | :26:21. | :26:25. | |
Corby he spent more than ?3,000 at Oak Furniture Land and for that top | :26:26. | :26:28. | |
price he was expecting top quality, which isn't quite what he got. I | :26:29. | :26:38. | |
ordered 11 items from Oak Furniture Land. Four were damaged, three | :26:39. | :26:44. | |
severely. The items were riddled with cracks, dents and broken | :26:45. | :26:47. | |
panels, and a broken joint on the TV unit suggested that the furniture | :26:48. | :26:51. | |
may have been crushed or dropped. When you order something that's | :26:52. | :26:56. | |
supposed to be solid you expect solid, not cracked, split, damaged, | :26:57. | :27:01. | |
broken. Oak Furniture Land told Ray three of the items were beyond | :27:02. | :27:05. | |
repair and would need to be replaced. But they claimed they | :27:06. | :27:09. | |
could repair the TV unit to what they called showroom standard. | :27:10. | :27:16. | |
Standard. You restore antiques, you don't restore brand-new items of | :27:17. | :27:21. | |
furniture. The TV unit has been dropped, so the integrity of it is | :27:22. | :27:25. | |
weakened, so I said no to restoration. When Ray insisted they | :27:26. | :27:30. | |
took back TV unit Oak Furniture Land told him he would have to return all | :27:31. | :27:34. | |
of the furniture, even the pieces that weren't even damaged, and then | :27:35. | :27:38. | |
buy it all over again. Ray was then told he would have to pay for it to | :27:39. | :27:48. | |
be collected. So, if Ray did return his order, Oak Furniture Land would | :27:49. | :27:52. | |
charge him up to ?350, and we've heard from other customers who've | :27:53. | :27:55. | |
had to pay hundreds of pounds to send items back. When the sofa that | :27:56. | :28:02. | |
Philip Garner ordered was too big to fit through the door of his home, | :28:03. | :28:07. | |
Oak Furniture Land told him white cost ?300 to take it away. Do you | :28:08. | :28:10. | |
know what I love most about Oak Furniture Land? Their huge choice of | :28:11. | :28:18. | |
furniture? No. Their exclusive designs? Nope. It's their total | :28:19. | :28:24. | |
dedication to having a go at restoring their very own damaged | :28:25. | :28:31. | |
furniture. Yes, Oak Furniture Land seems incredibly reluctant to | :28:32. | :28:34. | |
replace their furniture when it's damaged. Instead preferring to send | :28:35. | :28:39. | |
their own repairers out. But do they know what they are actually doing? | :28:40. | :28:44. | |
Dodgy repairs are something that this Oak Furniture Land customer | :28:45. | :28:50. | |
from Northampton knows all about. We bought a full dining set which cost | :28:51. | :28:55. | |
?2,500, a large amount of money, so we wanted to be sure we would get | :28:56. | :29:00. | |
the furniture we wanted. After unpacking we noticed the knocks and | :29:01. | :29:03. | |
scratches. The most shocking thing was the amount of problems on each | :29:04. | :29:07. | |
piece. It wasn't just one chair. It was everything. More than three | :29:08. | :29:11. | |
weeks later someone was finally sent to have a go at fixing all the | :29:12. | :29:15. | |
damaged furniture. What Kirsty thought would take a few hours | :29:16. | :29:21. | |
stretched into two days. My house ended up looking like a workshop. | :29:22. | :29:32. | |
After two days it was restored to what Oak Furniture Land call | :29:33. | :29:36. | |
showroom standard. And the rest of her furniture was sent away to be | :29:37. | :29:42. | |
fixed. What are you doing, Sam? Keep going, there's plenty of work to be | :29:43. | :29:49. | |
done! Even after repair the chairs still aren't showroom standard. They | :29:50. | :29:53. | |
filed these back, they've added fill into the joints at the top, and at | :29:54. | :29:57. | |
the bottom. And what about the furniture that was taken away to be | :29:58. | :30:02. | |
fixed? Five months on and Oak Furniture Land still has half of | :30:03. | :30:06. | |
Kirsty's chairs. I currently have only three of the six chairs, so we | :30:07. | :30:12. | |
can have dinner as long as there's six of us. Like Kirsty Steven | :30:13. | :30:17. | |
Harland from Southampton has also found Oak Furniture Land's showroom | :30:18. | :30:21. | |
standard repairs as sub-standard. He was left with a table that's still | :30:22. | :30:25. | |
dented and a sideboard that's ended up looking worse because the | :30:26. | :30:34. | |
repairer spilt dye on it. Damaged furniture, dodgy repair jobs, | :30:35. | :30:37. | |
furniture no better than the one you started with, the complaints against | :30:38. | :30:40. | |
Oak Furniture Land seems endless. The one thing we stand for at Oak | :30:41. | :30:44. | |
Furniture Land is quality. My advice for anyone watching any of the Oak | :30:45. | :30:49. | |
Furniture Land adverts is to think about it really carefully, because | :30:50. | :30:50. | |
it's just not worth the hassle. Paul Burgham from Oak Furniture Land | :30:51. | :30:53. | |
joins me now. A quick update. Ian, Ray and Kirsty | :30:54. | :31:03. | |
are getting replacements and refunds and the rest have had apologies. | :31:04. | :31:08. | |
Yes. Why did it take us getting involved to get that results? Good | :31:09. | :31:13. | |
evening, Chris, thank you for having me on the show. It is important to | :31:14. | :31:16. | |
say we never intend to disappoint any of our customers. Clearly on | :31:17. | :31:20. | |
some of these examples we've done that, and for that we unreservedly | :31:21. | :31:25. | |
apologise. It is not our intention to do so. Let's talk about your | :31:26. | :31:30. | |
policies then. Is it the policy to repair rather than take back or to | :31:31. | :31:34. | |
allow customers to return damaged furniture? No, it is not a stated | :31:35. | :31:39. | |
policy. What we try and do is try and get the best resolution to any | :31:40. | :31:43. | |
problem that a customer has. Sometimes that may mean a | :31:44. | :31:48. | |
restoration, because that will be a satisfactory resolution. In the case | :31:49. | :31:52. | |
where a restoration won't suffice, we are happy to replace, or refund | :31:53. | :31:58. | |
if we can't do that. I can't quite understand, you are a successful | :31:59. | :32:01. | |
businessman, I can't imagine you take second best for anything. You | :32:02. | :32:05. | |
spend two grand on a dining room table and chairs and they turn up | :32:06. | :32:08. | |
with scratches and dents, are you happy like Kirsty to have two people | :32:09. | :32:12. | |
in your house for two days repairing it? You would want a new one, | :32:13. | :32:18. | |
surely? What I would say? Kirsty's case, Chris, we got that one wrong. | :32:19. | :32:22. | |
Clearly it took us too long to rectify that. The decisions to | :32:23. | :32:27. | |
restore were the wrong decisions. We should have just replaced those and | :32:28. | :32:32. | |
that's what we will do for Kirsty. We've contacted Kirsty and offered | :32:33. | :32:35. | |
that opportunity. We've had lots of complaints. 200 people have got in | :32:36. | :32:40. | |
touch with us. Right. Is this a regular thing that you have damaged | :32:41. | :32:46. | |
furniture? Those 200 complaints you've received, over the 14 months | :32:47. | :32:51. | |
period you stated in essence that's roughly one in 10,000 of our | :32:52. | :32:56. | |
customers. But we believe just one customer with a complaint is one too | :32:57. | :33:01. | |
many. In that period of time, we've delivered 2 million items of | :33:02. | :33:09. | |
furniture to over 350,000 customers. But we can get better, we promise to | :33:10. | :33:14. | |
get better, and we will speak to your customers to discuss anything | :33:15. | :33:18. | |
they think we haven't done satisfactorily for them. Paul, thank | :33:19. | :33:19. | |
you. Thank you very much. We've seen them string customers | :33:20. | :33:23. | |
along on their helpline to get as much money as possible | :33:24. | :33:28. | |
while they look for answers in pretty much the same places | :33:29. | :33:30. | |
as the rest of us - Google. Heart run another business, | :33:31. | :33:33. | |
targeting people who are looking And like a naughty dog at afternoon | :33:34. | :33:37. | |
tea, this one takes the biscuit. It's time for undercover stooge | :33:38. | :33:50. | |
Arthur to join Heart Communications's scripted reality. | :33:51. | :33:55. | |
He is well ream, or call centre manager Jane thinks so, as he hires | :33:56. | :34:01. | |
him on the spot, and tells him about their other scam, which is proper | :34:02. | :34:12. | |
bad. The website describes it as a Jeb win work from home opportunity, | :34:13. | :34:16. | |
all job seekers have to do is request a pack, get started and | :34:17. | :34:20. | |
start earning pound, pound, pound. The catch is that to apply you must | :34:21. | :34:26. | |
call another premium rate phone number, which costs ?2 a minute. | :34:27. | :34:28. | |
Jade's on a call now, the con is on. That sound like they are putting | :34:29. | :34:55. | |
together a CV. Yes, Aylan, and it is taking a while. T | :34:56. | :35:03. | |
together a CV. Yes, Aylan, and it is taking a while. -- Rylan. I bet you | :35:04. | :35:05. | |
I can hold my breath from as long as this call takes. Don't be stupid, | :35:06. | :35:09. | |
Matt. Why on earth is it taking so long? | :35:10. | :35:25. | |
It couldn't be because they are trying to keep desperate job seekers | :35:26. | :35:29. | |
on the line for as long as possible? Could that be the answer? Well, | :35:30. | :35:36. | |
Rylan, Jade's about to give you a left hump to go with it. | :35:37. | :35:51. | |
Rylan, Jade's about to give you a are for notices each | :35:52. | :35:55. | |
Rylan, Jade's about to give you a centre gets around 80 work smart | :35:56. | :35:59. | |
calls averaging ten minutes each bringing in around ?1600 every day. | :36:00. | :36:12. | |
Asking for their qualifications and job history would be OK if it was | :36:13. | :36:18. | |
for an actual comment genuine job. So, is it? Researcher debts Paul's | :36:19. | :36:24. | |
work smart and is asked how to phonetically spell her name. | :36:25. | :36:25. | |
work smart and is asked how to spending ?25 on the call, | :36:26. | :36:32. | |
work smart and is asked how to containing tips on how to work from | :36:33. | :36:33. | |
home. Things like, when containing tips on how to work from | :36:34. | :36:45. | |
there's no evidence her details have even been passed to a single | :36:46. | :36:50. | |
employer. She calls Jade to complain. Somebody went through all | :36:51. | :36:55. | |
my work history and qualifications, I wonder if you sense that out to | :36:56. | :37:00. | |
any companies yet. We don't send it out, you would have to sourced the | :37:01. | :37:09. | |
work yourself. There's not a job? Various no job. Breaking the law, | :37:10. | :37:15. | |
charging people for what they think is a job when the job doesn't exist. | :37:16. | :37:20. | |
In April Naomi was living in a homeless shelter, she'd been | :37:21. | :37:23. | |
unemployed two years and spent eight hours a day looking for jobs. I | :37:24. | :37:28. | |
would apply for about 40 in the morning, then a few more in the | :37:29. | :37:32. | |
afternoon. That say, a couple of hundred a week. Heart don't rely on | :37:33. | :37:38. | |
job-seekers calling the premium rate phone lines only, sometimes they | :37:39. | :37:43. | |
called call instead and ask for a one-off payment. They asked Naomi | :37:44. | :37:49. | |
for ?29 50. They just told me about this job, they mentioned ?15 an | :37:50. | :37:54. | |
hour. A light went off in my head and said, you've got a chance to | :37:55. | :38:00. | |
escape, take it. But Naomi got a starter pack instead. Useless | :38:01. | :38:03. | |
information she could easily have found online herself. When she | :38:04. | :38:07. | |
complained, Heart Communications said everything she needed to get | :38:08. | :38:13. | |
work was in the pack. I remember feeling panicked that I'd been taken | :38:14. | :38:18. | |
for a scam. I needed that money for rent, I needed that money for food. | :38:19. | :38:25. | |
So, where did Naomi's rent money go? To the boss, Labrecque Allard. Where | :38:26. | :38:29. | |
does she live? You scripted reality couple. I'm so excited to go to | :38:30. | :38:38. | |
Marbs, the music, the beach, getting tanned. Yes, Lara Canard and her | :38:39. | :38:45. | |
husband Bradley lived in the Spanish resort of mark they accommodate | :38:46. | :38:48. | |
crypt of their reality so skilfully they don't have two share it with | :38:49. | :38:51. | |
the rest of us here on planet drizzle. -- scripted reality. | :38:52. | :38:56. | |
Time is a wasting, particularly if you're on the phone | :38:57. | :38:59. | |
to either of Heart Communication's dodge-ilified phone lines. | :39:00. | :39:01. | |
Not to mention the fact that they're raising | :39:02. | :39:03. | |
people's hopes of employment and then dashing them down in the sand. | :39:04. | :39:06. | |
Talking of which, if you're wondering how on earth we're going | :39:07. | :39:08. | |
to end this story, the answer is simple - The Only Way is Marbs! | :39:09. | :39:11. | |
Somewhere I'm sure travel journalist Simon Calder has been many times. A | :39:12. | :39:19. | |
lovely place. When you were here a couple of weeks ago we talked about | :39:20. | :39:24. | |
the effects of the terror attack in Sharm El-Sheikh. Sadly since then | :39:25. | :39:28. | |
event in Paris have taken focus. The situation has changed again. The | :39:29. | :39:32. | |
French government is now recommend school trip to France should not | :39:33. | :39:37. | |
take place. What's the latest on that? The latest development... Bear | :39:38. | :39:43. | |
in mind the Foreign Office, since terrible events started to unfold | :39:44. | :39:46. | |
six days ago, they changed their official advice of an times. The | :39:47. | :39:51. | |
latest is, yes, if you are on a school trip, planning one between | :39:52. | :39:55. | |
now and Sunday, the Foreign Office will commence you follow the | :39:56. | :39:58. | |
Ministry of education in France advice, not to go. Slightly odd. In | :39:59. | :40:05. | |
the aftermath of those terrible attacks, quite a lot happened quite | :40:06. | :40:10. | |
quickly in France, they declared a state of emergency, they banned | :40:11. | :40:13. | |
drones and said school trips until next Sunday could not go ahead. | :40:14. | :40:17. | |
Parents will wonder, where do they stand? If your school has cancelled | :40:18. | :40:24. | |
a two, because the Foreign Office is recommending they don't go ahead, | :40:25. | :40:26. | |
you should be able to claim it back from the travel insurer. It used to | :40:27. | :40:31. | |
feel like we could check the Foreign Office website once per year to find | :40:32. | :40:34. | |
out what the status is, now it feels we should check it almost every day. | :40:35. | :40:40. | |
Absolutely, today the advice changed for Sweden because yesterday Sweden, | :40:41. | :40:43. | |
for the first time, raised its threat level for terrorism too high, | :40:44. | :40:47. | |
they are putting extra people in place at various transport | :40:48. | :40:52. | |
terminals. Yes, you can very easily, by searching online, Foreign | :40:53. | :40:56. | |
Office and the name of the country, identify what the threat level is. | :40:57. | :41:02. | |
It ranges from high, which is affecting France and many other | :41:03. | :41:05. | |
destinations, including Turkey and Spain... And it goes all the way | :41:06. | :41:13. | |
down to low. Is it a more dangerous place to travel, the world, that it | :41:14. | :41:18. | |
used to be? I've been crunching the numbers all week because lots of | :41:19. | :41:21. | |
people have been asking me that. It's the safest it has ever been. | :41:22. | :41:26. | |
Look at the number of British people lucky enough to travel and the | :41:27. | :41:29. | |
number who have sadly come to grief, there has never been a better time. | :41:30. | :41:33. | |
I'm never going to let myself be intimidated, stop myself or my | :41:34. | :41:37. | |
family travelling by a bunch of idiots with hatred in their hearts. | :41:38. | :41:42. | |
Thank you, Simon, a message from someone who has been everywhere. A | :41:43. | :41:50. | |
number of you got in touch to say the company were giving out | :41:51. | :41:54. | |
confusing information as well as charging to rebook trips leaving | :41:55. | :41:59. | |
before this Sunday. The Nash family, who had been due to go to Disneyland | :42:00. | :42:03. | |
on Monday, they were told it would cost ?480 to change their date. So | :42:04. | :42:09. | |
they abandoned their trip. We taken it up with Eurostar, who have | :42:10. | :42:14. | |
revised their exchange policy as a result and apologised for the | :42:15. | :42:18. | |
confusion. Anybody booked to travel between Saturday 14th and Sunday | :42:19. | :42:22. | |
22nd of November can now rebook their tickets free of charge. Anyone | :42:23. | :42:27. | |
who has already paid extra to change date will get their money back. Good | :42:28. | :42:32. | |
news for those who missed their trips to Disneyland, which was | :42:33. | :42:35. | |
closed until Tuesday. You are entitled to a full refund for your | :42:36. | :42:39. | |
Eurostar tickets. To be clear, if it is Disneyland until Tuesday, just | :42:40. | :42:45. | |
gone, you get a refund. Eurostar until this Sunday, you can rebook | :42:46. | :42:50. | |
for free. Time for a Watchdog wedding! | :42:51. | :42:53. | |
But this involves one of our researchers and a giant mobile | :42:54. | :43:03. | |
phone. It sounds odd, but it's all for a good cause. It's to do with | :43:04. | :43:08. | |
terms and conditions, documents we know we are supposed to be but | :43:09. | :43:11. | |
hardly ever do. It can leave you with a funerary surprises. | :43:12. | :43:16. | |
Terms and conditions, a legally binding agreement between two | :43:17. | :43:22. | |
parties. They require commitment and careful consideration, since you can | :43:23. | :43:26. | |
be confident you made the right choice. Sound familiar? You could | :43:27. | :43:33. | |
see them like a marriage, except the wedding vows on to the love of your | :43:34. | :43:37. | |
life, but usually to a big company or product. I, honest customer... I, | :43:38. | :43:48. | |
honest customer. Do solemnly swear. To accept extra charges if I go over | :43:49. | :43:52. | |
my data allowance. To accept extra charges if I go over my data | :43:53. | :43:57. | |
allowance. As we know, terms and conditions can be really, really | :43:58. | :44:01. | |
long, for example these T's C's from insurance company vitality life | :44:02. | :44:06. | |
are twice as long as Shakespeare's Hamlet. The waiver of income | :44:07. | :44:15. | |
protection premium... In other words it would take a staggering three | :44:16. | :44:19. | |
hours and 40 minutes and 19 seconds to get through. And companies | :44:20. | :44:24. | |
sometimes go to great lengths to make sure all bases are covered. | :44:25. | :44:30. | |
ITunes say that any purchases made from their stores shouldn't be used | :44:31. | :44:35. | |
in" the development, design, manufacture or production of | :44:36. | :44:40. | |
nuclear, missile is or chemical or biological weapons". The former | :44:41. | :44:47. | |
computer game giant game station had sinister terms. It said, you agree | :44:48. | :44:51. | |
to grant us a nontransferable option to claim for now and ever you're | :44:52. | :44:59. | |
immortal soul. Don't worry, that was the company's idea, believe it or | :45:00. | :45:04. | |
not, of an April fool joke. Because most of us don't reach the T's | :45:05. | :45:09. | |
C's, a reported seven and a half thousand people even signed without | :45:10. | :45:12. | |
noticing. We're hardly immune either, the general T's C's we use | :45:13. | :45:19. | |
on BBC online services are 4288 words long. Even if you do read | :45:20. | :45:25. | |
through all of the small print, does it make sense? I invited Mike, Emma | :45:26. | :45:29. | |
and do meet to our important and is buried in the small | :45:30. | :45:43. | |
print. In front of you, some very long terms and conditions from | :45:44. | :45:48. | |
Admiral travel insurance. The question is simple, you lose your | :45:49. | :45:54. | |
?500 smartphone, how much will you get back with a standard policy? | :45:55. | :46:07. | |
Are you saying you have an answer? If you think you have an answer, | :46:08. | :46:14. | |
ring the bell. I think I've uncovered it. It's ?100. That's the | :46:15. | :46:22. | |
maximum. What is your view? Unless you know or you are guided us to the | :46:23. | :46:28. | |
section, you wouldn't know where to start. Terms and conditions that | :46:29. | :46:32. | |
seem to have nothing to do with the product you are buying. What product | :46:33. | :46:37. | |
do you think this relates to? Any legal liability directly or | :46:38. | :46:45. | |
indirectly caused by or contributed to by or arising from ionising | :46:46. | :46:51. | |
radiation or contamination from radioactivity from any irradiated | :46:52. | :47:00. | |
nuclear fuel. Have a go at that one. It's possibly a mobile phone, I | :47:01. | :47:04. | |
would say. The actual answer, believe it or not, is in sleep's car | :47:05. | :47:14. | |
insurance. No way! Wording you need a law degree to understand -- | :47:15. | :47:23. | |
Endsleigh. What does this mean? We will not pay for the following... | :47:24. | :47:29. | |
Liability, arising from a contract or agreement, unless the liability | :47:30. | :47:36. | |
would have existed without that contract or agreement. Honestly, I | :47:37. | :47:44. | |
find that so convoluted and confusing, it's just meaningless. | :47:45. | :47:49. | |
The answer is, the insurance company won't pay for any agreements made | :47:50. | :47:55. | |
outside of the insurance policy. For example if any of our three | :47:56. | :47:59. | |
contestants Walls blew down and they made an agreement with the neighbour | :48:00. | :48:03. | |
to rebuild with a stronger material, sheilas wheels can refuse to pay the | :48:04. | :48:10. | |
extra cost. It seems for years we've had no choice but to sign on the | :48:11. | :48:13. | |
dotted line and agree, no matter how confusing. Well, there is finally | :48:14. | :48:22. | |
some good news. Last month new consumer laws came into play and one | :48:23. | :48:26. | |
of the big new rules gives you more power when it comes to the small | :48:27. | :48:31. | |
print. For example, burying important information, such as extra | :48:32. | :48:34. | |
charges, right at the end of terms and conditions is now something that | :48:35. | :48:38. | |
a consumer can challenge even if they've already signed the | :48:39. | :48:42. | |
agreement. Jargon, being bombarded with over complicated language is | :48:43. | :48:46. | |
also a no-go. It sounds like a good deal, but how do you use your new | :48:47. | :48:52. | |
rights? Time to bring in the final wedding guest, James Daly, from | :48:53. | :49:00. | |
Sarah finance. -- fairer. How important are these changes? Really, | :49:01. | :49:04. | |
they give consumers more rights when it comes to sneaky bits of small | :49:05. | :49:07. | |
printed in a way in the bottom of the contract. If it's not prominent | :49:08. | :49:15. | |
consumers can challenge it. If not in the ombudsman, but in court. | :49:16. | :49:19. | |
Hopefully it'll mean contracts and small print get clearer going | :49:20. | :49:23. | |
forward. If you are watching this show tonight and think, I've entered | :49:24. | :49:26. | |
into an agreement, found something that isn't fair, don't be scared to | :49:27. | :49:31. | |
challenge it, it's not as hard as you think and because calls aren't | :49:32. | :49:35. | |
as expensive as you think. We all enter into these contracts helping | :49:36. | :49:40. | |
tweet hoping for a better union. It's always good to know if there is | :49:41. | :49:42. | |
a way out if you need it. This is the jilted mobile phone. You | :49:43. | :49:55. | |
are still with us, still reading, whereas you up to? Age 36. Has it | :49:56. | :50:00. | |
been as entertaining as you thought? It's been riveting. You've got a | :50:01. | :50:05. | |
long way to go before the end of the programme. | :50:06. | :50:07. | |
The sun is coming down on Heart Communications of Welwyn Garden City | :50:08. | :50:10. | |
- not to be confused with companies of the same or similar name. | :50:11. | :50:15. | |
Please God don't do that, for all of our sakes. | :50:16. | :50:18. | |
But if we're going to enjoy a drink on the verandah wearing nothing more | :50:19. | :50:21. | |
And clothes, obviously, then we need to get ourselves to | :50:22. | :50:25. | |
My layout. Yes, the cost at... Lot for a phone call. We're here to find | :50:26. | :50:44. | |
the boss, Lara K.. We've tracked her down to this 5-star | :50:45. | :50:51. | |
luxury apartment block with tropical landscaped gardens and a choice of | :50:52. | :50:55. | |
swimming pools. Business must be booming. -- Marbella. If you are | :50:56. | :51:01. | |
looking for work, like Naomi, for instance, and thinking to yourself, | :51:02. | :51:04. | |
you know, I wonder where this money is going, that I'm using to pay for | :51:05. | :51:10. | |
the advice that I'm being given over the telephone. Well, that's it, | :51:11. | :51:18. | |
really, that is where your money is going, to make sure Lara K. can | :51:19. | :51:22. | |
carry on living in this highly secure shiny marble palace. ?2 per | :51:23. | :51:32. | |
minute. Catching up with Lara K. is proving to be a problem | :51:33. | :51:34. | |
because where she lives is a fortress with high gates, the CTV | :51:35. | :51:40. | |
cameras and 24-hour security guards. We're pretty sure we've been | :51:41. | :51:44. | |
spotted. The surveillance team that were watching her have had the | :51:45. | :51:49. | |
police called on them, so they've had to show passports, that sort of | :51:50. | :51:52. | |
thing, to the police, you've clearly been called by somebody. | :51:53. | :51:58. | |
Surveillance shows that Lara K. is either in her version of what | :51:59. | :52:01. | |
knocks or travelling in her four x four Porsche. We have to hope her | :52:02. | :52:06. | |
weekly exercise class on the beach takes place. But she might skip the | :52:07. | :52:10. | |
gym lesson. If she skipped it, I don't think I'll bother, to be | :52:11. | :52:16. | |
honest. Don't really see the point. Don't look at the timber. Lara is a | :52:17. | :52:24. | |
no-show in Marbella. Back in Hertfordshire time to catch up with | :52:25. | :52:29. | |
the call centre manager, an old hand, she's worked at Heart four | :52:30. | :52:35. | |
years and train staff into squeezing money out of the unemployed and | :52:36. | :52:37. | |
technophobes, many of them elderly. She is or heart. Time to lure her | :52:38. | :52:50. | |
away from these phones. Jade, Matt alright, BBC Rogue | :52:51. | :53:22. | |
Traders. How you doing there? So the business you are a big part of here | :53:23. | :53:28. | |
there's no reason for it to exist at all is there, because what you're | :53:29. | :53:34. | |
doing is... Leave me alone, please, it's not my company, so... No, but | :53:35. | :53:41. | |
you are Lara K.. You are training people to cold cal, to | :53:42. | :53:45. | |
offer people jobs that don't exist and getting them to call a premium | :53:46. | :53:50. | |
rate line, to spend as long as possible on that line so they rack | :53:51. | :53:54. | |
up bills that they can't afford, because they haven't got jobs. The | :53:55. | :53:58. | |
people that work for you know it's a scam, you know it's a scam, don't | :53:59. | :54:02. | |
you? You know that what you're doing is actually not required at all, and | :54:03. | :54:07. | |
that you're subsidising a lifestyle. You are not coming in here. Why not? | :54:08. | :54:12. | |
Because they are going to call the police. For what, why? You are | :54:13. | :54:17. | |
breaking and entering. I'm not breaking and entering. Jade, what we | :54:18. | :54:22. | |
are talking about is an industry that's not required. You are making | :54:23. | :54:26. | |
money from people who can't afford it and all you are doing is | :54:27. | :54:31. | |
subsidising the lifestyle of two people in Marbella so they can go to | :54:32. | :54:36. | |
the beach and drive around in a Porsche. She's happy to natter for | :54:37. | :54:41. | |
hours on a premium rate phone line but when I turn up I can't get ?2 of | :54:42. | :54:48. | |
chat out of her. But we have other ways of communicating. People of | :54:49. | :54:54. | |
Heart Communications Are you there? Give us a wave. This screen explains | :54:55. | :55:02. | |
everything. Alright, take it away. Hi! Welcome to don't you wish you | :55:03. | :55:08. | |
were here, from sunny Marbella in Spain, playground of the rich and | :55:09. | :55:12. | |
famous, where well-heeled bronzed Brits like to be and be seen. What | :55:13. | :55:17. | |
you probably don't know is that it is also home to Lara K., the | :55:18. | :55:23. | |
sole named director of Heart Communications, your boss, and this | :55:24. | :55:27. | |
is where she lives... We must be clear that Heart share this is build | :55:28. | :55:31. | |
ing with other businesses. Hopefully its call centre staff are getting | :55:32. | :55:35. | |
the message. And this is what she drives to the beach, a flipping big | :55:36. | :55:42. | |
white Porsche. Maybe you are wording where all the money came from? | :55:43. | :55:46. | |
That's right, from you guys, when you are dishonestly keeping people | :55:47. | :55:51. | |
hanging on the telephone. Happy holidays. OK, I think you've got to | :55:52. | :55:55. | |
message now, so we are going to go. Bye. Yeah, and if that looks | :55:56. | :55:59. | |
attractive to you and you are thinking to yourself, I would quite | :56:00. | :56:03. | |
like a piece of that, what I would say is this. The only way is not | :56:04. | :56:06. | |
Just to be clear once more, there marshes. Other ways are available. | :56:07. | :56:15. | |
Just to be clear once more, there are other legitimate businesses | :56:16. | :56:17. | |
working out of that building in Welwyn Garden City. We are not | :56:18. | :56:18. | |
interested in any of them. Welwyn Garden City. We are not | :56:19. | :56:22. | |
Heart Communications. Also once again there are other businesses | :56:23. | :56:26. | |
called Heart. Please don't mistake any of them for this lot. They've | :56:27. | :56:31. | |
been in touch. They say they handle thousands of calls for hundreds of | :56:32. | :56:35. | |
clients and premium rate is just a small part of what they do. They | :56:36. | :56:42. | |
claim to take regulatory regulations seriously and refute that they keep | :56:43. | :56:52. | |
people on the line, and they have positive feed-back for this service. | :56:53. | :56:55. | |
They say the details are on their website. They may also want to | :56:56. | :57:00. | |
contact us. There's their response, but we we have seen with our own | :57:01. | :57:04. | |
eyes means that while but we we have seen with our own | :57:05. | :57:09. | |
is in Marbella, she is also in the Rogue Traders. We've had an e-mail | :57:10. | :57:15. | |
about another drone which crashed. We'll follow that up. | :57:16. | :57:21. | |
about another drone which crashed. 50 complaints about Oak Furniture | :57:22. | :57:22. | |
Land tonight. We'll pass 50 complaints about Oak Furniture | :57:23. | :57:30. | |
tip-offs. Go to our website. You can write to us as well. | :57:31. | :57:40. | |
Vodafone - hitting customers travelling abroad with huge charges, | :57:41. | :57:47. | |
And after our Rogue Traders investigation into a puppy farm, | :57:48. | :57:51. | |
where we found this little guy in a terrible state, Watchdog is | :57:52. | :57:56. | |
calling for tighter regulations to help end this cruel trade for good. | :57:57. | :58:00. | |
Gizmo is feeling a lot better and being well looked after | :58:01. | :58:03. | |
Adrian is still reading his T He at the earlier time of 7.30pm. | :58:04. | :58:15. | |
Adrian is still reading his T He can't leave the studio until he's | :58:16. | :58:19. | |
finished. From all of us, but not him, goodbye! | :58:20. | :58:23. | |
and consume food is changing faster than ever. | :58:24. | :58:26. | |
A seemingly sci-fi future is actually a reality. | :58:27. | :58:30. | |
I'll be joined by a team of experts and we'll scour the globe | :58:31. | :58:34. |